Martin van Beynan’s xmas wish

December 28th, 2010 at 11:01 am by David Farrar

writes in The Press:

My dear fellow New Zealanders. As you gather with family and friends to celebrate this Christmas and all it means to you and your loved ones, I would encourage you to consider this very important question.

Do you as an independent and diverse country really need the British monarchy? One is touched when one sees the excitement in the colonies at the exciting news of the engagement of Prince William and his lovely, sensible fiancee Kate Middleton, who is such a nice young woman despite being a commoner.

But the time comes when every nation must stand strong and alone and choose, using the ballot box, its own head of state. This would show the world that New Zealand is indeed a unique and separate country. …

It is time for New Zealand to choose its own Head of State, even if that person turns out to be dysfunctional. Every New Zealand subject, sorry citizen, should be able to aspire to the position which currently is open only to someone from the British royal family. We no longer need to fight for queen and country. Country is quite sufficient. …

Her Majesty represents a class- ridden system which upholds the belief that some people have some sort of divine right to lord it over others. This right has usually been acquired at the point of a sword and by bestowing favours on powerful friends. That New Zealand accepts a relic of this system as its Head of State is a sad reflection on the confidence we have in our nation and in the principle of Jack is as good as his master. Gaining office on the basis of inheriting it is not something we should be encouraging in this day and age.

I look forward to the day that our head of state is a New Zealander, chosen by either the Parliament or the people.

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62 Responses to “Martin van Beynan’s xmas wish”

  1. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    I don’t look forward to the 666 Beast Herr Klark bullying her way into the position.

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  2. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    This guy is just dumb. If he’s representative of the Republican movement you’re in trouble.

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  3. Diziet Sma (96 comments) says:

    The sooner the better. Careful down there Martin you’ll be accused of witchcraft.

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  4. OliverI (112 comments) says:

    Show me a country that has moved away from the crown and I will show you a dysfunctional government

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  5. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    A Head of State chosen by Parliament is an abomination under democracy – no less corruptible and immune from cronyism than the monarchy van Beynan decries.

    However, more relevant, is the complete lack of genuine need to change what we have – that works perfectly well for us and doesn’t impede our government and policies.

    A complete waste of taxpayer dollars to make some people feel a little bit better about the way they perceive our country to be governed.

    Time and money far better spent addressing real issues in our society – such as our clear violence and child abuse issues. Perhaps van Beyan and others could try to refocus on genuine priorities. If they can’t do that within themselves, at least let our government focus on genuine priorities.

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  6. Ricardo (56 comments) says:

    “Kate Middleton, who is such a nice young woman despite being a commoner.”

    “But the time comes when every nation must stand strong and alone and choose, using the ballot box, its own head of state. This would show the world that New Zealand is indeed a unique and separate country. ”

    Who is this person Martin van Beynan? He may not like England’s Monarchy, but he sure abuses her language. Standard ‘Not achieved’.

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  7. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Going republican will make no difference to the lives of ordinary men, but will diminish tradition and wash out any remains of culture or patriotism in this country. I became a citizen and swore an oath, I’m not going to break it just because some hippies don’t like being ‘subjects’.

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  8. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    America puts me right off Republicanism. There has to be ‘another’ way hehe.

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  9. niggly (832 comments) says:

    Oh dear, he’s a press reporter spouting off his opinion … says it all really eh!

    Oh and also has a dutch name, I hope the poor fellow isn’t having a post-colonial guilt trip (like many of our activist community)!

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  10. OliverI (112 comments) says:

    @Fale – there is no country that has a successful and uncorrupted government after moving away from the crown

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  11. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Indeed Oliver (love the British name), but British dominions and other constitutional monarchy’s are out-performing their Republican counterparts no-contest.

    :D

    God Save the Queen.

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  12. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Going republican will make no difference to the lives of ordinary men, but will diminish tradition and wash out any remains of culture or patriotism in this country.

    That’s contradictory. If it will make no difference then it won’t change tradition, culture or patriotism.

    Both the UK and NZ have changed markedly since we became a constitutional monarchy. Largely symbolic and ceremonial royal traditions in England have little real relevance here beyond a bit of curiosity.

    NZ culture is an evolving smorgasbord, bearing less and less resemblance to parts of English culture that have influenced it in the past.

    Patriotism in relation to the UK is historical only. NZ chooses it’s on international involvement.

    there is no country that has a successful and uncorrupted government after moving away from the crown
    I don’t see anything that suggests that NZ would become less successful and more corrupted if it moved away from the crown.

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  13. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    I agree with Guy and Fale above .. Helen Clark as President gives me the shits just thinking about it.
    Paul Moon has a piece in the Herald and on his Facebook about it .. I agree with him

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  14. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    By the way, it’s Beynen …

    So, you republicans will feel better, will you, when you reach your Nirvana of having an elected head of state who is a New Zealander?

    You will feel all grown up, will you, when you don’t have to cringe colonially because our head of state is a hereditary monarch who lives in London?

    Listen you cringers, who allow yourselves to feel small and colonial and not grown up because our head of state is Elizabeth (Saxe-Coburg Gotha) Windsor, Queen Elizabeth of New Zealand: we’ve been virtually free of London’s rule for a very long time.

    You could say from 1846, with the House of Commons’ passing of the New Zealand Constitution Act 1846, which gave us limited self-governmentfirst provincial assemblies, and that was at the behest of London. London in 1852 gave us the NZ Constitution Act 1852, which extended self-government even more: it gave colonialists a general assembly and an upper house.

    And the decision to abolish the provinces in 1875, wasn’t that a local decision, not dictated from London? We became a dominion in 1907 without dramas and intervention from London. More and more we’ve become who we are, all without drama from London.

    We have a monarchy because we inherited it, and we’re content with it because it works for us. It’s cheap, costs us nothing, depends on civility and civilised behaviour among the parties. We run ourselves, as we have done for over a century.

    The trouble is that the media cringers focus on the travails and foibles of the House of Windsor, and they talk about them as if they know them. I don’t know if many do. The media and commentariat cringers also focus on how it all makes them feel small and not confident.

    People: I don’t care. I am who I am, and another person’s greater or lesser status doesn’t affect me.

    I don’t care about the ‘right signal’ to the rest of the world that worry van Beynen and the rest. I don’t care what ‘signal’ other countries pick up up about us. Surely that kind of worrying is cringe at its worst.

    I don’t care that people elsewhere might think our flag is Australian. If they think our flag is Australian then they’re ignorant; they should go and find out.

    How many of you can distinguish between the flags of El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua? They’re all similar.

    How many of you can distinguish between the flags of the various republics and monarchies of the Middle East? Their flags have similar colours?

    So, to the republicans: I’m quite happy as things are, thanks very much. You don’t speak for me. And you certainly don’t represent me when you present your arguments in the language of cringe and inferiority.

    I don’t feel inferior.

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  15. Inky_the_Red (764 comments) says:

    # Fale Andrew Lesa (437) Says:
    December 28th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    “God Save the Queen.”

    That is one of my favourite Sex Pistol songs http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/sexpistols/godsavethequeen.html

    No future, no future,
    No future for you
    No future, no future
    For you

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  16. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    The main reason against becoming a republic is to listen to the types of people who call for one the loudest, e.g the Greens, MP etc.

    I can just imagine what our constitution would look like if it was drawn up by the current lot (or even worse, Labour down the line)….

    Maori to have some kind of ‘special status’ as tangata whenua because the Treaty is being scrapped

    Right to welfare
    Right to housing
    Right to adequate food and clothing
    Right to a “living wage”

    and so on etc etc…..

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  17. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    Inky The Red .. where are the Sex Pistols now?

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  18. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    It’s not a Liz v Helen, nor a Charlie v Helen argument, that’s either grossly uninformed or facetious scare mongering.

    It’s quite likely Charlie will be our next powerless figurehead, carrying on a tradition of half bonkers half German palaver is not one I look forward to.

    Nickb – the queen has no influence on any of those things now.

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  19. marcw (259 comments) says:

    So who would those people wanting a Republic suggest as President? Until we can have confidence in the Parlimentarians currently leading the country, I would suggest that our historical governance is better than anything on offer at present.

    Smiley Key?
    Phil Goof?
    Tariana T?
    Peta Sharples?
    Rodders Hide?
    Winston?

    Ask yourself, is there really anyone in Parliment who has earned the trust to lead us, especially without the benefit of a Senate or Upper House?

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  20. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Pete George

    You’re just a demagogue. I see that your aims are to undermine the cultural foundations that make NZ great and get your hippie left wing liberal mates into power so we can all be equal, classless and cultureless. All the settler forefathers that built NZ are spinning in their graves as you openly incite people to break up the heritage, tradition and ceremonies that defined NZ and made it so desirable that half the world wants to move in now.
    Tradition, ceremonies and all that stuff that you think has no consequence is what gives patriotism a focus and a core to build around. Let’s ban ANZAC day, and Waitangi day too because it doesn’t reflect the ‘multicultural’ NZ of today.
    How about that?

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  21. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    I do not subscribe to this notion that Republicanism promotes national identity. The Australians and the Canadians have excelled in their own national identity; and political identity is a moot point. The British Monarchy has no business in our political institutions, and even American states endorse Common law in their own systems of justice.

    I am not fully convinced of any foreseeable benefits in pursuing ‘the movement towards Republicanism’.

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  22. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Immigant, that’s nonsense, I’m not trying to undermine New Zealand at all. I’d rather see our unique mix of culture develop more so we become greater as a proud and independent country.

    There is no such thing as cultureless.

    In practice there is also no such thing classless, but most UK immigrants are happy to leave that obnoxious English class system behind, that’s a big reason why many came left there in the first place.

    The ANZAC tradition is the most recognised New Zealand tradition, it’s good to continue that. Funny thing is it’s based on a major UK stuff up.

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  23. Manolo (14,165 comments) says:

    Can you imagine (or stomach) the possibility of the infamous Clark or Bolger becoming President of this nation?
    Perish the thought and God save the Queen. :-)

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  24. kowtow (8,935 comments) says:

    DPF’s blog ,he can say what he likes. I acknowledge that.

    However ‘xmas’ is properly Christmas.

    van Beynan asserts that ‘diversity” seems to imply the need for a home grown HoS. I assert that diversity has got nothing to do with anything.
    The ‘diversity” concept is constantly being used by social activists in the UK to put down the majority culture and traditions there. NZ beware.

    We do have our own HoS, the Queen of NZ. Our system ain’t broke and doesn’t need fixing.

    Instead of breaking ties with our history, culture and traditions we should be strengthening them . How is it that every one elses culture is important,? We have a proud history under the Westminster system along with Canada and Australia. Lets be proud of our unique history and place in the world along with our other monarchist, British cousins in those contries and stop this cringing republican self abuse.

    God Save the Queen , our democracy and our history ,culture and traditions that have given us a superior ,stable government and standard of living over so many other “republics.”

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  25. Fletch (6,522 comments) says:

    My dear fellow New Zealanders. As you gather with family and friends to celebrate this Christmas and all it means to you and your loved ones, I would encourage you to consider this very important question.

    Do you as an independent and diverse country really need the British monarchy?

    Yes we do. Next question….

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  26. Fletch (6,522 comments) says:

    Tripewryter, and others, well said…

    It’s really just pride that’s at the root of this republicanism move. As has been said, we do already govern ourselves and it works well. These leftist liberals just want more power themselves to tell us all what to do, so they can reshape the country in their own twisted image.

    It’s not enough to be free (which we are), but an urge to “be the boss” of everyone. As I said, it all comes down to pride.

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  27. Manolo (14,165 comments) says:

    I look forward to the day that our head of state is a New Zealander, chosen by either the Parliament …..

    A Labour-controlled Parliament would choose Clark. A Labour-lite one would select Bolger.
    Either way NZ would be irremediably fucked.

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  28. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Pete George

    Love it how you change your tune from post to post.

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  29. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Or can we ask, do we really need another failed politician sucking off the government teat?

    There is, I feel, a certain elegance in a constitutional monarchy where the actual power is vested in the people via Parliament, but our Head of State is nominally removed from the political process. I am aware that the current appointment of the Governor General is at the recommendation of the sitting Government of the day, but I feel that the position of our Head of State would be sorely diminished if it was allowed to become a purely political appointment. We are, for all intents and purposes, a self governing country with a well developed sense of identity already.

    If it’s not broken, it does not require fixing. Best we sort out MMP first rather than any issues regarding our Head of State.

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  30. Stuart Mackey (336 comments) says:

    Pete George (8,494) Says:
    December 28th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    It’s not a Liz v Helen, nor a Charlie v Helen argument, that’s either grossly uninformed or facetious scare mongering.

    It’s quite likely Charlie will be our next powerless figurehead, carrying on a tradition of half bonkers half German palaver is not one I look forward to.
    ********************************

    Its perfectly valid scare-mongering. As a republic there is no certainty that politicians or their appointee’s can be trusted to act as head of state within our constitutional arrangements given the dubious nature of legislation they have passed recently.

    Half German? then what does that make you George? Half English?

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  31. gravedodger (1,575 comments) says:

    I consider that each of us could find a person we could accept as our head of state but that person would in all probability be unacceptable to a majority of our fellow citizens, then we come to the even pricklier question of a successor. Without the constitutional handbrake of a second chamber, we are far too vulnerable to a despotic Prime minister taking powers that are unacceptable to reasonable citizens, such as the previous socialists and their very limiting “freedom of speech” attack under the guise of their widely disapproved EFA, where even the constitutional HOS chose to stand aside and allow the destruction of what many of us saw as a removal of existing rights. At least Sir John Kerr in Australia had the cajones to remove a government that had effectively lost the confidence of the people.
    I agree that we have a very economical system of adopting the Monarch of England as our HOS and although I have no regard for the current Prince of Wales as a successor the thought of being saddled with a political hack as the figurehead of our nation fills me with far greater disgust. Mad Catherine Delahunty anyone.
    One further point on the current matter, I am puzzled as to the wonderful severance package we give our retired GGs. IMHO the glory and prestige should be sufficient reward, just let them do what deposed Mayors do and quietly slip away to a nice resthome and STFU, A Knighthood /Damehood as a bone maybe but to continue to keep them in the manner they have become accustomed to, forget it.

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  32. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    # immigant: Love it how you change your tune from post to post.

    No at all, you were making things up and misrepresenting what I said.

    It’s quite normal for recognition of traditions to change over time. Royal traditions have changed over the two hundred years of European settlement in NZ. UK parliamentary traditions have changed. Our parliamentary traditions have changed. Change happens – and I’m sure at some stage in the future we will no longer retain the royal tradition from the other side of the world.

    Stuart, there’s no guarantee about anything political. Shit could happen whether we have a queen, king, governor general or not, or if we have nothing above our elected representatives.

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  33. Barnsley Bill (848 comments) says:

    Here we go again.
    David, your continued role as Clark for president spin weasel will end with a kicking mate.
    Not til Clark has passed is mandatory.

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  34. Mr Gronk (45 comments) says:

    It seems to me that advocates of a republic often conflate two separate issues. One is whether New Zealand should share its head of state with another country. The other is whether the head of state should be hereditary or elected.

    On the first question, I think it would, on balance, be good to have our own head of state. It might be easier on the Queen, or King, of the UK too – if the UK and New Zealand ever find themselves on opposing sides in an argument, there would be no conflict of interest there.

    But hereditary or elected? That’s more debatable. I can understand the sincere desire many have for an elected head of state. They assume, I suppose, that an electoral process will produce, on average, a better quality of candidate, or at least one who enjoys more legitimacy in the eyes of the people. But will it? More likely, the head of state will come to be seen as just another creature of the political parties, set up to either rubber-stamp the wishes of, or be a thorn in the side of, a Prime Minister. A great advantage of the current system is that the Queen and the Governor-General are both seen as above the political fray, which strengthens their hands if they ever need to act in an emergency.

    A third option, which I’ve rarely seen aired, would be to set up a New Zealand monarchy. Perhaps we could import an inoffensive junior branch of the Windsors; we are, after all, accustomed to having that family rule over us (albeit from London), and it would avoid the messy business of having to choose a New Zealand family. It’s not as if there’s no precedent for it; it could be argued that the British Royal Family has been a succession of foreign imports ever since the Norman Conquest. I’d want the new King or Queen to come live here and renounce any foreign citizenship or succession rights in other countries, though.

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  35. immigant (950 comments) says:

    Mr Gronk

    Love the idea of importing our own King. Run with it I say.

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  36. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Which House should we import from? Windsor? Saxe-Coburg and Gotha? Hanover (Brunswick-Lüneburg)?

    There’s a few different traditions to choose from. Our royal heritage has been very varied over the years, nothing fixed as some seem to want.

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  37. Paulus (2,707 comments) says:

    I Assuming Martin Van Dutchman’s origin are from a monarchist country – Holland, where nobody is screaming for a Republic.

    Both Canada and Australia are not Republics as somebody earlier mentioned.

    The thought of Helen Clark as Head of anything personally makes my stomach turn.

    Problem is she will be back here to stir mischief in a very short time. I understand that she is out of depth in the UN. Her senior permanent staff carry on doing what they want without referral the the “Adminstrator”. She is only a “figureheadess”, nothing more, but she loves the very UN very VIP travel arrangements however, and being invited everywhere.

    Watch out the Labour Party a she will head that to control the party as she is currently trying to do whilst in NZ.

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  38. immigant (950 comments) says:

    We should import a house that will stop hippie liberals undermining NZ’s proud heritage.

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  39. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    The House of Totalitaria?

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  40. immigant (950 comments) says:

    House of “Harden up and stop being a hippie”

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  41. Mr Gronk (45 comments) says:

    Pete, what do you mean by those different Houses having different traditions? I grant the point that they did (and do), which is why I pointed to the House of Windsor as the most likely candidate – for reasons of continuity, and so that any change is smooth and gradual, not abrupt. At least, no more abrupt than it has to be.

    I don’t think anyone’s saying things should be absolutely set in stone. But must we go to the opposite extreme and insist on radical change, especially if it’s just to prove some point about how we’re all grown up now? I thought that was the kind of thing teenagers did, thereby showing that they aren’t mature adults yet.

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  42. gravedodger (1,575 comments) says:

    P G did you mistype totaltariana.

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  43. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    If you wanted to stick with tradition then Windsor should revert back to Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. I’m just pointing out that nothing has remained the same, the so-called traditions and culture that some people seem to want to desperately hold on to are ever changing.

    It isn’t an “opposite extreme” to change from a royal figurehead of German origin to a democratically selected figurehead of New Zealand origin, neither of which should have any affect on how our country is run. It should barely change anything.

    gravedodger – funny.

    I wonder of Goff is a derivation of Goth?

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  44. Guy Fawkes (702 comments) says:

    If Helen Clark, Winston Peters or similar is the answer. The question is too horrible to be aired.

    Nothing is broke. Nothing needs fixing.

    The Supreme Court of Klark’s and Wilson’s friends and beneficiaries of their Largesse just want more power.

    Nothing more nothing less.

    Cost of our Supreme Court and running costs a bit above budget?

    Just imagine how many Stations President Gayer would buy for her own delectation.

    Hilary Clinton had it right. ” If there was a huge Nuclear Holocaust. only two things would survive. Cockroaches and Helen Clark”

    Klark is despotic, evil and twisted. Shower pressure regulation and compulsory Gay everything?

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  45. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    :D

    Helen Clark is legendary, oh how I admire her political leadership. She was ousted from New Zealand public office in late 2008, if memory serves me correctly, and yet kiwiblog members bicker and bitch about her as if she’s only next door.

    This only further promotes the unique leadership style of Helen Elizabeth Clark. I may not have agreed with her politics, but I can not doubt her political achievement, we continue to discuss her in the first-person three years later. May I remind you all that Helen Clark will have nothing to do with a NZ Republican movement – her fate in national public office was sealed on the election night of 2008. Why you continue to bitch about her perceived ‘relevance’ in current NZ politics, I do not know.

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  46. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    This only further promotes the unique leadership style of Helen Elizabeth Clark.

    hmmmmm….. Unique is a word for it.

    Fascist, socialist, and totalitarian are others.

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  47. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    A Labour-controlled Parliament would choose Clark. A Labour-lite one would select Bolger.
    Either way NZ would be irremediably fucked.

    Just what would stop a future government appointing Clark or Winston as GG?

    “We don’t want a republic because the head of state could be then this person” is not much of an argument. The same person could easily become head of state today.

    So actually becoming a republic and excluding former PMs and Ministers by law would actually work in your favour.

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  48. Stuart Mackey (336 comments) says:

    eszett (901) Says:
    December 28th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    So actually becoming a republic and excluding former PMs and Ministers by law would actually work in your favour.
    **********************

    Or ban former PM’s/Minsters from being GG and retain the Monarchy.

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  49. Stuart Mackey (336 comments) says:

    Pete George (8,498) Says:
    December 28th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Stuart, there’s no guarantee about anything political. Shit could happen whether we have a queen, king, governor general or not, or if we have nothing above our elected representatives.
    *******************************

    There are never guarantee’s, but the point is to have a non political constitutional backstop to oust scoundrels in government. Quite apart from preventing jokes like retired sports personalities from being heads of state, there are greater certainties with our current system than with others.

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  50. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    we don’t talk about Helen Clark 2-3 years later because we respect her political skills .. it’s because she was a shocking PM/
    I agree with Paulus in that I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO doubt that she will return her one day, maybe sooner than many think, with the intention of “sorting the country out”.

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  51. MrTips (103 comments) says:

    A republic head of state in NZ would be nothing more than a jumped up secondary school head boy/head girl, for as a country we are so immature we are truly teenagers in our outlook. Our politics takes centre stage because we are more preoccupied with the show than we are with the outcome. Our literary culture is self indulgent, narcissistic and married to the bottle, our musical luminaries generally fail on the international stage (our successes leave early on in order to grow up), lip service to the pantheism that are Maori “cultural beliefs” whilst loathing our own European heritage is sina qua non and our adminstration/infrastructural abilities are the laughing stock of many a country. Finally, our much celebrated “art” culture usually appeals only to the lowest common denominator (ie. our crotch), seeks to bring down rather than build up and focuses on the negative and banal (eg. Shortland Street or Outrageous Fortune). The only thing we are truly good is ignoring our best brains that leave for overseas for being frustrated with our insular high school mentality.

    It is highly unilkely that anyone with real ability to be NZs head of state would want it, nor would they be accepted if they took it because the truth they would suggest would not be tolerated by the immature, petulant rabble at the governance levels in NZ. And we would miss the Queen, because we love bitching about her.

    P.S. DPF, you never fail to make me laugh by wanting a Republic, but always hope for a ticket to a royal wedding. If the shoe fits I guess.

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  52. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    I’m with the slime fellow.

    Time NZ had an elected head of state.

    Elected, of course, by a vote of all those who pass the test ensuring they’re capable of delivering a well considered, informed vote.

    If parliament ever selects a President (or similar) I’m leaving!

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  53. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    I can just imagine Helen Clark chuckling away with this under her breath ‘all publicity is good publicity’. If you don’t like someone; you usually deny them further publicity.

    Either way, some people never learn, Clark is making valuable head-way in the international sphere. It is unlikely to lead to her return to New Zealand politics, or to stand for NZ President. And no, commies are not lurking under our beds at night.

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  54. jaba (2,146 comments) says:

    we already have a Prime Minister and a King, what else do we need

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  55. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    @Stuart Mackey: My point was that the argument not to become a republic because a certain person may become head of state is simply not a valid one.

    You cannot argue against a republic because Helen Clark may become head of state when she is perfectly eligible to do so now.

    I also do ot think that it would be wise to exclude certain people. I think that there are other safe guards that would ensure that a person who is chosen is not devisive.

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  56. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    On the same basis that we shouldn’t scrap our democracy because “a certain person” may be elected head of state.

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  57. grumpyoldhori (2,205 comments) says:

    Fletch for fucks sake, I am a lefty and a liberal, one who swore allegiance to the crown, not to any fucking politicians as some would want,

    Jesus christ too many wankers would want the VC dumped but they would argue that knighthoods should be kept fot them.
    With any luck HM would suggest to Key that he makes Willie Apiata VC the next GG with a few of his mates to have a word with noisy bloody Republicanshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4nsifplvpk

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  58. Michael (913 comments) says:

    Not exactly a died in the wool monarchist, but just scared where the Republic road will lead us? Written consitution that the courts can use to overturn laws parliament pass? A political head of state that has a real veto power over legislation? Having our ceremonial Head of State who wouldn’t use their powers through disinterest and as they would cause their own removal as Head of State – as mad as the arrangement seems – works well where we want to keep our one chamber Parliament.

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  59. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    Australia isn’t ready for it, neither is New Zealand. Until that time arrives, the NZ people will not vote for it.
    I wouldn’t hold my breath on NZ becoming a republic, we still aren’t sure on our own electoral system.

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  60. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    You’re right Jimbob, it’s not time for it here yet, but that time will probably come. The older demographics tend to be more traditionalist and monarchist and they will gradually die out, the younger generations are less likely to care about historical links. King Charles will also be a factor, depending on if it eventuates and if so how he appeals, he could be near or in his seventies by then, and anything could have happened to William/Kate by then.

    I won’t be holding my breath either, but no harm in thinking towards independence, as much as that can be in an intertwined world.

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  61. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “We should import a house that will stop hippie liberals undermining NZ’s proud heritage.”

    OK, how about John Lydon (formerly known as Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols) as head of state? Can’t get more anti-hippie than a good old punk, plus he’s English, so the traditionalists will be happy and he’s notoriously anti-monarchist, so the republicans will be happy. Plus it’s bound to create more interest in NZ than giving the job to some old political hack.

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  62. Dazzaman (1,082 comments) says:

    The House of Totalitaria?

    That’s right! You lefties know all the good nightclubs!

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