More turmoil in Labour

December 9th, 2010 at 9:19 am by David Farrar

Claire Trevett reports:

Turmoil is continuing within the Party as it heads toward Sunday’s contentious candidate selection in with current MP threatening to resign and force a byelection if the party selects a candidate he dislikes.

The party will select its new candidate to replace the retiring George Hawkins on Sunday and Mr Hawkins is understood to have told Labour leader he would force a byelection or publicly criticise the party if candidate was selected.

George should not rule out both!

While the supports Mr Mika, the Service Workers Union, the Maritime Union and Amalgamated Workers Union support . If the two sides can not agree on either candidate, they could choose a third person as a compromise rather than take a majority vote.

This is Labour Party democracy in action.

The three unions are also supporting List MP in , which will have its selection a week later. Mr Twyford’s chances could be hurt if Mr Mika is selected for Manurewa because of calls for more female candidates in Auckland.

I suspect it will be fourth time lucky.

Things must be quite fragile in Labour at the moment, as Phil Goff has yet to announce the further rejuvenation reshuffle that was expected. When he did reshuffle due to perks abuse, the Herald reported:

Labour leader Phil Goff said there would be further changes ahead of next year’s general election.

You generally avoid reshuffles in election year. I wonder if Goff has backed off a reshuffle, as he can’t afford to upset any of his caucus at the moment?

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27 Responses to “More turmoil in Labour”

  1. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Kris Fa’afoi has a brother named ‘Farty’, also an ex TV presenter only for a kids show.

    Surely that would qualify him even more for funtime in the bighouse than Kris.

    he too is brown, rotund and what with Manurewa being demographically on a par with Mana would be a perfect fit up for Goff to drop into Sth Aux as Labour candidate for the people

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  2. George Patton (350 comments) says:

    Here’s a thought:

    A by-election caused by George Hawkins leaving Parliament in Manurewa could be just what John Key needs to get rid of Pansy Wong. By Hawkins going, Key can “shield” the negative effects of a by-election by saying “we can save money by holding two on the same day”.

    Not ideal, but then, the Wong situation is increasingly frustrating National at the moment.

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  3. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    George Hawkins is acting as if he is Lord of the Manor. This reminds me of how Muldoon tried to influence the selection of his own sucessor, 19 years ago. Some people just don’t have the grace to go quietly.

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  4. Pete George (23,676 comments) says:

    No, this is all just a diversion – look! Pansy Wong’s husband may have done something with a friend who has a business while in China a few years ago!

    Pete Hodgson was on NatRad this morning nitpicking over this, but he sounded very unconvincing, as if he was doing a job that his heart wasn’t in. It’s a sad way for him to wind down his political career, whether he is pursuing voluntarily (with information “that just arrives in the mail”) or being pushed into pursuing stuff that is mostly negative for him and for Labour.

    Is it becasue he has an impeccable record, or because he leaving soon, that he has become the fall guy.

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  5. lofty (1,317 comments) says:

    Heh Pollywog……nice.

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  6. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Pollywog, if you were being facetious then that was actually quite funny!

    Whatever happens in Manurewa – my only hope if that it is a candidate chosen from the local electorate, not some parachute candidate.

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  7. BeaB (2,141 comments) says:

    Creepy Pete needs to drop this. John Key took action, Pansy Wong suffered a punishment out of all proportion to the original offence, this all happened years ago, people have more to think about than yet another boring example of the arcane nature of MP expenses.
    Key has opened the perks up to scrutiny, the rules are being changed and most of us have moved on.
    If Goff and Labour are so desperate to smear John Key they have to do better than this!

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  8. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Pollywog, if you were being facetious then that was actually quite funny!

    only half so…

    …and for team blue, should a by election eventuate, maybe we could see Michael Jones or Inga Tuigamala get the nod, the wink and the soul brother handshake

    they are after all, good ol’ southern (auckland) boy’s

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  9. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Creepy Pete needs to drop this. John Key took action, Pansy Wong suffered a punishment out of all proportion…

    the hell she’s suffered!!!

    Shes not fit to suck the public tit anymore. If she had any honour she’d quit and if Key had any balls he’d run her out of parliament and the party.

    Pansy is even more ineffective, if that were at all possible, and totally irrelevent as a tainted backbencher now. A political leper and a liability.

    And as for Key’s action ???….he did nothing. Pansy resigned her portfolios and Key ordered a whitewash investigation hoping to sweep it all under the rug and distract everyone with a call of muckraking on Labours part.

    The police need to investigate for fraud, the judiciary need to find her guilty then jail her ass to remove all continuing perks and shame her for the sake of the Asian community.

    Send a message, as Taito has for the pasifikan community.

    Corruption, on any level, will not be tolerated !!!

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  10. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Pollywog said “The police need to investigate for fraud, the judiciary need to find her guilty then jail her ass”

    So she is guilty until proven innocent ?

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  11. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    How much more proof of guilt do you require Rodders ?

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  12. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    pollywog, Pansy Wong has stuffed up, alright but many political scandals are “cock-up before conspiracy.” If there is belief that she acted fraudulently, then a formal compliant should be laid with the appropriate authorities.

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  13. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    :D

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, Manurewa is a blue-collar electorate, Hawkins was a teacher by profession. The union invasion of Manurewa will not succeed without a proper fight.

    NZ Unions have far too much influence in Labour party affairs. It is dangerous, and very unhealthy. Particularly in their chances for a successful re-election.

    All eyes on Goff.

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  14. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Oh there’s belief in fraudulent behaviour alright, if only from me Rodders…

    …because more than an ‘accidental’ cock up, this particular scandal seems to come from the Wong’s deep seated sense of entitlement and an assurance of collusion to protect them from persecution by association with former PM Shipley and close ties to the fundraising arm of the National party

    God help them if she’s found to be lying, hasn’t done a good enough job of covering her or her husbands tracks and Key is found to have conspired to pervert the course of justice

    There’ll be hell to pay !!!

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  15. emmess (1,432 comments) says:

    Pollywog,
    Wong can go at the next election.
    I don’t want the country to spend half a million over a few hundred (or thousand at most)

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  16. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    screw the cost emmess, she can bloody well go now…

    …go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect the rest of her salary, do not collect perks in perpetuity

    the longer she sticks around, the bigger the stench of corruption will spread and the more Key will be seen as doing nothing but protecting her

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  17. wreck1080 (3,955 comments) says:

    COMRADE HELEN WILL SORT IT OUT.

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  18. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Interesting to have a look at the suburbs covered by the Manurewa Electorate boundaries.

    http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/A0E0FE68-B92C-433B-A99B-D3A7C77FD0C0/113294/259_8.pdf

    There would probably be a number of National voters in the suburbs in the north east of the electorate but in the south and west, it is difficult to believe that Labour would be under any threat of losing.

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  19. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    :D

    Indeed, however the challenge for the Labour candidate lies in mobilising the Southern and Western areas to bother voting in the first place, and many of them don’t. A left-leaning candidate for Labour also threatens the Conservative areas of North-Eastern Manurewa who will not think twice about voting the other way (now that Hawkins will step down).

    Hawkins commanded great majorities in all areas of the electorate, and did so for most of his parliamentary career. The same can not be said for the new Labour candidate – who will have to earn the support first.

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  20. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Both the 2005 and 2008 elections show a small % difference in the number of votes cast for George Hawkins and the Party vote. George Hawkins may be liked by the voters in the Heights, but I would be interested to know if they voted overwhelmingly for him in 2008.

    http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/MPP/Electorates/EPData/e/9/d/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Manurewa_Data_3-Manurewa-Electoral-Profile.htm

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  21. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    The margin is usually Lab 50-20 Nat (with the remainder spread across other parties and independents). Manurewa is said to be one of Labour’s safest seats in the country (with South Auckland taking a number of those top spots) and Hawkins deserves valid recognition.

    In terms of the Middle Class Eastern area, it’s hard to say really. Dr Cam Calder is securing a lot of support in that particular neck of the woods.

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  22. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Thanks for the info Fale. I am only in the area a few times a year, so it is good to hear it from a local. I’m unimpressed with George Hawkins’ reported attitude, though. It reminds me of the sort of public infighting that probably helped his party lose a number of relatively safe Auckland seats in 1990.

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  23. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Per my previous post on the personal vs party vote:
    In 2008 George Hawkins received 13,511 votes while Labour received 13,673 party votes.
    In 2005 George Hawkins received 17,799 votes while Labour received 18,254 party votes.

    I would be interested to see a breakdown of the votes by suburb as these figures do not show a significant % difference between the personal votes for George Hawkins and the party vote for Labour.

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  24. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Don’t mention it pal, more than happy to contribute some local clarity to these discussions, and there are clearly valid benefits with local perspectives.

    You’re certainly not alone in your discontent. There is growing disappointment in the way that Hawkins is handling this affair, and I’m sure that this will be reflected in the ballot box as well (perhaps a surge to the right). To be quite frank, most residents are probably glad to see the back of him once and for all lol. Not to take anything away from his active service though, he has certainly delivered over and above initial expectations from day one. People are probably just in the mood for some much needed change.

    There’s no denying that the security of Labour’s influence in some of these South Auckland ‘hot seats’ is in decline. The Pacific Sector Council is literally in ruins after the walk-out of many influential community leaders recently. The South Auckland Maori community is increasingly comfortable with Maori party affairs, and Middle Class sprawls are beginning to pop up in South-Eastern areas (which are likely to result in a move to the centre-right).

    I call interesting times ahead for politics in South Auckland, and why not? political diversity is a good thing.

    :D

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  25. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    “I call interesting times ahead for politics in South Auckland”

    And I call humerous times right now. Brown or gay, male or female; these are the questions. Perhaps it should be Wall given that Auckland has lost Carter. She ticks 3 boxes whereas Carter only ticked 2. That makes Auckland and Manurewa in particular, a bigger winner than before.

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  26. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Mr Twyford’s chances could be hurt if Mr Mika is selected for Manurewa because of calls for more female candidates in Auckland

    So candidate selection in both major parties goes like this now:

    Powerbroker 1: Percentage of female candidates?
    Powerbroker 2: Check!
    Powerbroker 1: Percentage of Pacific Island candidates?
    Powerbroker 2: Check!
    Powerbroker 1: Percentage of Asian candidates?
    Powerbroker 2: Check!
    Powerbroker 1: Percentage of Indian candidates?
    Powerbroker 2: Check!
    Powerbroker 1: Percentage of gay or lesbian candidates?
    Powerbroker 2: Check!
    Powerbroker 1: Percentage of intelligent, competent, hardworking candidates who are actually the best choice regardless of sex, ethnicity or sexual orientation?
    Powerbroker 2: We can’t have everything, we’ve had to prioritise what’s important… to our re-election chances I mean.
    Powerbroker 1: Fair enough.
    Powerbroker 2: Drink?
    Powerbroker 1: Check!

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  27. Leon (4 comments) says:

    Manurewa is a stronghold of the Maori Party. Who better than Louisa Wall to take up the torch for Labour to win the Party Vote for Labour among Maori. Wall is backed by the Service and Food Workers Union which is a strong supporter of Labour and has a record of political activity on behalf of its members and workers in general. She is not a union organiser like Mika but she supports worker-friendly policies and has a wide appeal as a former Silver Fern (at age 17) and a world champion Black Fern (rugby). She is a winner with a lovely manner and smile – she performs well on tv as well. Labour cannot miss with Wall as their Manurewa candidate.

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