General Debate 30 April 2011
April 30th, 2011 at 1:22 pm by David FarrarIt’s late due to hangover impairment.
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April 30th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I knew it!
Tomato and apple juice with honey, vitamin B and Chinese sea-weed.
Oysters up to you.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
I’m sorry to hear that your hangover is impaired DPF. You should drink some more to help it reach its full potential.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Mana Party, Mana Party, Mana Party
Vote:hurry up Hone .. I’m waiting to be as inspired as Bomber is .. show me why he is so keen on this pack of loonies entering the political world.
April 30th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
The Chinese sea-weed is like a miracle drug, believe me.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Hat off to Bobbie Black for cajoling DPF away from “lover” duties to create today’s GD.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
DPF – I stand in your shadow.
If it has taken you until after 1pm to post GD (that normally surfaces around 8am), then it must have been one hell of a night (and early morning).
Were any other pikkies taken??
Hah!
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Hey, I sensed he was sticking it in.
I would reccommend a stiff couple of bloody Mary’s DPF.
If they are available.
Preferrably twins.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Brownlee the failed wood work teacher is generating phrases like ‘Couldn’t organise an orgy in a brothel’ at a good rate of knots.
6/4 – A whole month and a half after the earthquake
Campervans ready to house Christchurch tenants
“We’d expect that demand to continue to grow as people understand more,”
29/4 – Almost a month later, $1.5 million down the gurgler and a dose of reality sets in
Campervans flop with quake homeseekers
“More than 350 Government-supplied campervans for displaced residents in earthquake-hit Christchurch are empty, with only one person taking up the offer.”
Seriously. It’s not even hindsight, the stupidity of this decision was discussed on this very blog after the campervans were first made available.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Another animal gets a light sentence:
150-hour work term for killing kitten
19-year-old man killed a kitten by throwing an empty beer bottle at it because he “didn’t like cats”.
Vote:Selu Bond Moala was sentenced to 150 hours’ community work when he appeared in the Manukau District Court yesterday after being convicted of wilfully ill-treating an animal. His lawyer, Mary-Anne Lowe, said Moala did not know how injured the kitten was after hitting it with the bottle.
April 30th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Cats always remember.
Never take anger out on them.
The Egyptians had it right.
They never forget.
I love them though, Meow.
I love them as I love pussy.
I wonder if there is a connection.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
All of the good stuff that the lip-reading analysis of William and Kate’s wedding totally missed:
Vote:http://wp.me/p1rzNS-dA
April 30th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Another dreadful statistic:
One child in four in single-parent home
New Zealand has the third-highest rate of children living in single-parent homes, an OECD study says. This means nearly one in four Kiwi children are growing up in single-parent homes as more marriages break up and single women choose to enter motherhood on their own.
Of 27 industrialised countries, New Zealand ranked third in the Doing Better for Families study, with 23.7 per cent of children living in a one-parent household, compared with the 14.9 per cent average across all countries. The United States ranked first with 25.9 per cent and Ireland was second with 24.3 per cent.
Children’s Commissioner John Angus said Kiwi children were four times more likely to be living under the poverty line if they were being raised by a single parent. New Zealand’s child poverty rate, at 12.2 per cent, is nearly on a par with the OECD average. Child poverty includes going hungry and living in poor housing that can lead to poor health.
At the end of March, 113,000 people were receiving a domestic purposes benefit, of whom 88 per cent were women.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
I’m out.
Take the sea-weed DPF.
Gnight all.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
…single women choose to enter motherhood on their own
Some men are simply bastards but many aren’t. However if it doesn’t work out after both giving it your best shot, then fair enough.
But setting out to bring a life into the world without two straight parents from the get go is just an appalling indicator of the incredibly selfish nature of some people. Children of either sex need both a man and a woman who love them, to have a well adjusted upbringing despite the perverts who try to twist the science to suit their own political agendas. Choosing by yourself to have a baby and to raise it yourself, makes you a disgusting creature of the highest order of self-ish-ness. Those who do so, should be ashamed of themselves.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
“Fifteen years after his conviction for the schoolyard rape and murder of a Christchurch woman, Michael Wayne October has been jailed for 21 months for strangling and threatening to kill his girlfriend.
October, who now goes by the name Mikaere Oketopa, told his girlfriend during the July 30 incident at his home: “This is the last night you will have air in your lungs.”
He also told her: “Too bad your son’s not going to have a mother.”
Oketopa stopped the attack when she told him she loved him and let her body go limp.
She said later she believed she was going to be killed”
I remember this bastard. Him and his 2 mates raped a poor girl in the city then bashed her head on a concrete step until he killed her. What the fuck is he doing out of prison. One bullet in the forehead is all that is required for this filth.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
21 months??
should be 21 years
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Plans for massive spending on rail projects are the hallmark of leftists the world over. They can’t get enough of them. China has “invested” $276 billion of borrowed money in the ultimate white elephant.
‘Zhao Jian, a professor at Beijing Jiaotong University and a longtime critic of high-speed rail, said he worries that the cost of the project might have created a hidden debt bomb that threatens China’s banking system.
“In China, we will have a debt crisis — a high-speed rail debt crisis,” he said. “I think it is more serious than your subprime mortgage crisis. You can always leave a house or use it. The rail system is there. It’s a burden. You must operate the rail system, and when you operate it, the cost is very high.”‘
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/are-chinas-high-speed-trains-heading-off-the-rails/2011/04/22/AFHzaNWE_story.html
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Yes wat.. I believe the cost would indeed be high in China, as they wouldn’t recoup the cost from fares, they are so cheap to travel.
Vote:We traveled around China couple of years ago and used the trains a lot. Fantastic network, jus amazing.
Even rode the Maglev train from Shanghai city to the airport, 430Kph, bloody stunning, all for 80 yuan return. It would never pay for itself in a million years, but what an adventure.
April 30th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Breaking news
Hone Harawira will force a byelection in Te Tai Tokerau.
Is it possible to avoid this by-election at all?
Correct me if I’m wrong 75% of the house voting against a by election will stop this happening???
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
So Hone has announced he has resigned his seat in Parliament and of course this will trigger a by-election.
What a complete waste of time and money – this close to a scheduled General Election.
Maybe the PM should call for an early election so we can rid ourselves of the placard wavers and dissidents (plus MMP) all in one hit.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Link?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
@ Peter 3.50pm.
Radio New Zealand Breaking News
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
fan fucking tastic .. John Hatfield is my hero. Stick your popcorn, I’m getting out some sausage rolls and wine. yehaaaaaaaaaaa. The Labour Party will be down at the Mad Butcher trying to get free sausages for their sausage sizzles to raise funds. No use going to the unions, other than EMPU, for fund money.
Vote:who is advising this moron?
April 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10722514
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
go to the TV3 website and post a comment .. may take awhile to be shown but there you go
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Make sure they are halal sausage rolls Jaba , wouldn’t want to offend anyone.
Vote:Jenny Shipley recently said that the Chinese want our protein not our land; if this is true then why did the govt recently sell land around lake Taupo to the Chinese for hotels? Am I missing something here?
April 30th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
He also set out some policies, including nationalising assets such as power, water and housing and ending state asset sales. He said it would campaign on the so-called ‘Hone Heke’ tax – a financial transaction tax of one cent in the dollar.
He criticised spending such as “$36 million being wasted on this bloody yacht race in San Francisco.”
Others speaking at Harawira’s launch included potential candidates Annette Sykes and Mereana Pitman. Former Green MPs Sue Bradford and Nandor Tanczos also spoke, saying it was time there was a new force for workers on the left.
They’re going to find out not all Maori are dumb like them. I mean what’s the point of criticising a legally binding deal that if recanted would cost legal fees + the $36m anyway? What’s the point? Cause the only ones who would believe he has a point are the dumb ones. That’s who he’s appealing to.
BTW, that financial transactions tax if its the Social Credit one is not a tobin tax as someone said last night. A tobin tax applies to international financial trading and he’s not talking about that, he’s talking about doing it on domestic banking transactions, the silly mental. A tobin tax is designed to take the profit margin out of the millions of micro-trades that are done every second which when directed at it, play the Kiwi like a baby seal. But Hone’s not talking about that. That would be good, but what he’s talking about won’t raise fuck all and will just piss everyone off, which is an indicator for the performance of the rest of his policies as well, I suspect.
Isn’t it great that Hone’s so very insane he thinks people are going to respond positively to people like candidate Sykes? This is just great.
Jenny Shipley recently said that the Chinese want our protein not our land
Perhaps she just forgot to mention they want our IP as well, joanna.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Stupid move Hone, Key will use the excuse of the bi-election and ACT to call an early election.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Reid, that’s an outstanding observation. Hone just pushed borrowing rates by 1%. I’m sure that’ll resonate with people who are struggling to pay mortgages and already fucked by the costs of living.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
See the bludgers party is already going to cost NZ more with a by election.
Vote:Useless black motherf&$ker.
April 30th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Electoral Act 1993, S. 31:
Power to resolve in certain cases that by-election not be held
Vote:Notwithstanding anything in section 129, no writ shall be issued for a by-election to supply a vacancy in the House of Representatives if—
(a) the vacancy arises in the period of 6 months ending with the date of the expiration of the Parliament and a resolution that a writ not be issued to supply the vacancy is passed by a majority of 75% of all the members of the House of Representatives; or
(b) following the tabling in the House of Representatives by the Prime Minister of a document informing the House that a general election is to be held within 6 months of the occurrence of the vacancy, a resolution is passed by a majority of 75% of all the members of the House of Representatives to the effect that a writ is not to be issued to supply the vacancy.
April 30th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
please don’t try and visualise this but I have had an emotional organism. The Whale has said that he respects John Hatfield on the basis that he say what he thinks, in other words, he doesn’t bullshit and says what he wants .. and this is great.
Vote:He will, unless McCarten holds him back, tell the people of NZ that Maori want their land back. That my friends is New Zealand. Not a bit over there and a bit over there .. ALL of it. He will let non Maori (remember, he has no white DNA) stay here and work for Maori Corporations/bushiness but that’s all. God knows what Sykes will demand, Bradford is more predictable, Tancos will have us all smoking dope, Minto .. well I guess we will all get free load howlers, and the rest .. who knows.
April 30th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Hone just pushed borrowing rates by 1%.
Yes the banks and the oil companies don’t like reducing their margins when they can simply pass it on. Ahhhh. That’s better. Stretch…
Aren’t we lucky to dwell amongst such benevolence?
Meanwhile you’re right, only the dumb ones (i.e. Mana’s base) won’t realise it’s Hone’s fault things are a bit more expensive, it won’t even occur to them. They’re too busy listening to how Hone’s explaining how it’s not their fault they’re poor cause whitey stole it and we have to take it back, eh.
Trouble is if you loudly enough and often enough without the normal tempering with reality that actually, this is what the treaty process is about etc, which won’t happen, sooner or later Mana’s base is going to produce very angry people. And when dumb people are angry, bad things happen. And this is where it’s heading. You can’t deny it.
It says a lot about the centre of politicial gravity in this country though doesn’t it, when the Greens aren’t commie enough and the nationalist-commie branch split off into an exciting new workers party and there are enough people who vote for them to make it a political force. Any other place they’d be simply laughed at.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Kate: Wills now we’re married we better get rid of the sex tape.
Wills: You’re right, I left it at your place.
Kate: No you didn’t , its at your place.
Wills: No, its not.
Kate: Oh fuck
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
yep reid .. when I stop giggling, I realise that Hatfield and his band of throughers will get really nasty when things Hatfield tell them turns up to be wwwwwwwrong.
Vote:he already has his shit for brain nephews hovering in the background and god knows what they will do.
April 30th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Be quite funny if he resigns and then parliament decides no by-election is needed. Would save the taxpayers a fortune and its not as if he contributes anything anyway.
Vote:I say let him resign and start an email campaign to our elected representatives that a by-election will not make them popular and their vote if they support it will be heavily publicsed.
April 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Random subject since this is GD, is it possible that the reason the Kiwi is so volatile is because it’s been targeted since forever, by Wall Street?
I’m pretty sure that if the NZ govt had the diplomatic clout with the US that the Aussies have, we could have said to the US a long time ago, look, we’re pretty fucking sick of your bankers playing havoc with the Kiwi so could you please ask them to desist forthwith, and the govt would have a word with them. But we can’t do that cause in 1984 we gave them the fingers.
But that’s OK. At least
Vote:wesome of us got a nice warm feeling in our collective tummy and that has made and continues to make it all so very worthwhile.April 30th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Bloody hell jaba don’t sweat it, work it out. So who is going to turn on who. I await those that profess a pure blood line that does not involve their own kin who are less then purer. My family are so mixed with different blood lines I struggle to figure out who is bullshitting who. Maori separatists retreat to the treaty of Waitangi to state their claims to self governance, idiots, they have forgotten that NZ is no longer a pure breed society, as much as they will claim. You no longer can say ones skin colour is a automatic acceptance to a claim that refuses to except another part of ones history. I’m not a judge but if I was no would be the word.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Be quite funny if he resigns and then parliament decides no by-election is needed.
Not sure they can Pongo, I couldn’t find anything other than Section 31 as above and it’s eight months till November but depends when Key dissolves Parliament. That’s the key date. I think we’ll be forced into this farce, which Hone will be heavily criticised for, for wasting precious money in these highly straitened times. A good opening gambit for Mana on the national stage. A portent of the future, a sign of things to come.
I predict this is only the first of various expensive disasters till the Mana Party finally expires in several or so years, having achieved nothing, cost a lot, and made a lot of people very sad indeed.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
ssb .. I was born here as was my mum. My mum’s parents came from Cornwall England and my dad was born in Selkirk in Scotland. History will show that the poms and jocks hate each others guts so that means I hate myself .. well, you know what I mean.
Vote:I just wish, and it won’t happen, that we all just chill out and love the country we live in and rejoice in the mix of citizens we have.
April 30th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Clearly the idea is to come back as a party leader with a leader’s budget. Does anyone know how much extra pork is involved in this shady little deal?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
I thought that Cornwell is not really part of England. Cornwell is Cornwell and like Wales and Scotland still occupied by England but not part of it.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Does anyone know how much extra pork is involved in this shady little deal?
No but I think Hone does. Good thinking Adolf.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
“Hone Harawira plans to force a by-election in his Northland Te Tai Tokerau seat before the general election.
At the launch of his new Mana Party today he vowed to have a by-election held within six weeks.
– stuff
Is this to gain the publicity that Harawira lost by not being in time [missing deadlines is a trend?] to get a broadcasting allocation?
Vote:But a ten million dollar publicity stunt will beat Winston’s $ 158,000 any day, with another difference being that, if it happens, it will be legitimate.
April 30th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
I thought the General Election was 7 months away at the end of November?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Yep, Adolf, a clear ploy to get the party funding before the election.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I thought the General Election was 7 months away at the end of November?
I was using literary license, Inky.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Ain’t gonna happen Jaba.
Vote:I agree with Whale..Hone is straight forward ; he says what he thinks.
Who can possibly imagine what anyone in the Act party thinks and what they are going to think tomorrow? Even they probably cannot remember what they thought yesterday. They make me feel really dizzy.
Why are they getting so much media attention when so few people voted for them? It used to be thought that Brash brought the cash but now a recent Herald article paints him as almost destitute. How will he fix the country’s finances?
April 30th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
It’s dumb we would ever give any money to any party for anything.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
It used to be thought that Brash brought the cash but now a recent Herald article paints him as almost destitute. How will he fix the country’s finances?
Er, joana it may be his Auckland accommodation isn’t salubrious, but why does that mean he’s “almost destitute?”
As we know he owns a Kiwifruit orchard and I’m sure if you looked you’d find other assets. I mean the man isn’t a fool and doesn’t lack self-discipline and used to work in an industry compatible with building wealth so if he really is broke as opposed to merely being frugal as he is known to be, I’d be bloody surprised.
Just cause the [insert MSM label] says it, don’t make it so.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Has anybody bothered to check if this new party has been registered? or is everybody just getting their tits all in a tangle because some left wing ding bats are getting some column inches.
Harawira has a constituency in the far north in regards Maori politics, thats all. Maori in the rest of NZ have zero time for him.
Bradford does not have a constituency anywhere, she just tagged along on the greens back, she an attention whore, thats all.
Minto has no profile, he is mentioned with scorn by the vast majority of NZers, he is poison in politics. He means nothing to the young activist of today. He has never been relevant anyway. He has no answers which is why he never debates , he is only ever used as a sound bite or he yells juvenile slogans down a loud speaker.
In fact Harawira is making a huge mistake even getting involved with these clowns.
This party could actually act like a grease trap it could collect all the real fuckwits , the Greens have a couple more they could send over, ACT have some and Peter Dunne could also fit, probably not as a full patch but as a hangaround
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Reid,,
I think is his stray rooting may have cost him him a couple of quid.
Anyway he has his pension to tide him over until his first cheque from Act come in
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Pauleastbay
This from the Parliamentary Library website a few minutes ago.
No Mana to be seen
New Zealand
Registered Political Parties: New Zealand Electoral Commission
Vote:ACT New Zealand
Alliance Party
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party (ALCP)
Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand
National Party
Natural Law Party
New Zealand First Party
New Zealand Labour
Progressive Party
United New Zealand
April 30th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
I think ya have to let the motherfucker have his bielection, otherwise he becomes a matyr.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Thanks Adolf
How much does it cost to get a party up and running? I can’t imagine Owen Glenn writing too many cheques to launch this motley crew so the old sausage sizzle will have to be working overtime.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
So joana if one says how they feel it’s cool with you? ? So Hone is straight forward ? You naive fool, Hone is a racist and a nasty piece of shit to boot. Instead of working yourself into a lather about how Brash is going to make you destitute would it be to much trouble to ask how Hone how he is going to save your hairy arse, let me guess, take it!!
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Dime
Lets just see if he has the nuts to put the paper in on Tuesday, effectively immediately, which he will have to do.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
ssb I can’t be bothered responding to you.
Vote:If Diana Crossan thinks it is such a great idea to raise the pension age, why doesn’t she set an example and take a pay cut. She has had decades on huge public service salaries.
April 30th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Hone was quite a bit less than honest on The Nation this morning, saying “a byelection was not on the agenda”; complete with the classic lying body language gesture – a touch to the nose.
Time for Whale to give Hone a new nickname, just as he did with DPF I think.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Peter Dunne could also fit, probably not as a full patch but as a hangaround
I believe they’re called “prospects” Paul and possibly this is why he’s for years adopted his coiffure, in anticipation of this very thing, since it really does, doesn’t it, make him look “bad” in that fifties milk-bar cowboy kinda way.
He probably draws his weapon in front of the mirror, quite a lot – you talking to me, punk? Well are ya? – kinda style is my personal assessment of who he is so yes, this could be what he’s been waiting for.
No seriously, great analysis of the main players.
I’m surprised Matt McCarten is in there, to be quite honest. This is what makes me think it will actually despite what you rightly point out, stay around, for a few years anyway.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Thanks for responding joana,. So joana why don’t you ask Diana? I’m just a dumb peasant. But if you wish to put the boot in go for it. Government is our problem. Hate to say it but I pay my way so it is no use spewing your ring out with me.. I’m with you , till the government realise they are part of the problem we won’t change.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Reid, so you think that Banks etc SHOULD absorb any taxes imposed on them ? Because ultimately the only people who pay atxes are us, the taxpayer. Companies don’t really pay anything and shouldn’t either. Companies are only taxed to give the *impression* that they are taxed.
That’s the same stupidity that Hone hopes to exploit with his “transaction” tax, it’s just another way to milk the taxpayer without appearing to do so, Hone’s type love those sort of “indirect” taxes.
And speculators can’t easily jerk the NZ $ around in a useful way, it’s a floating currency, so any speculation is against other speculators. Where I work we export and hence trade in foreign currency all the time, we hedge and adjust our holdings in the various currencies we trade in every day as a matter of course. We want to lock-in the current rates which relate to our costs in a meaningful way. Why would you want to tax that ? It’s not speculation, there may be speculators out there, but trading in the NZ $ is a zero sum game. It’s not like the famous George Soros coup where he could profit because the UK government tried to keep the pound at a level higher than the market thought it was worth, so there was a “one-way” bet. So any “Tobin” tax will simply increase costs for NZ businesses and most heavily the export businesses, and gather bugger all tax anyway. Everything it does get will come from those people actually trading as the margins will increase.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Its party time now. Its time to head out to town and party. Almost finish my steinlager doz. I can see that Pete George hasn’t commented in the last 10 minutes which I assume that he’s gone to party as well.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
What was the deal that Hone struck with the Maori Party about standing against each other? Presumably that has gone out the window? It would be nice to see him arsed out but I get the feeling that he is well ensconced.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Nookin one of favoured sports in Maori society is sticking each other in the back. it’s called democracy.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Reid, so you think that Banks etc SHOULD absorb any taxes imposed on them ? Because ultimately the only people who pay atxes are us, the taxpayer. Companies don’t really pay anything and shouldn’t either. Companies are only taxed to give the *impression* that they are taxed.
No Ed, I think the banks should dissolve themselves, pay everyone who works there a fan-fucking-tastic redundancy settlement, forgive everyone worldwide all their debts and loans be it personal and commercial, and let’s start again, with a fresh sheet.
Of course a very small percent of people don’t think this would be a very good idea at all so they pay lots through various networks to ensure the idea is never even promulgated, anywhere.
Seriously Ed, I’m curious about when you say: ” Companies don’t really pay anything and shouldn’t either?”
Can you explicate?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Yes a general election please John. It gives us a chance to have some fun before the RWC bores the pants off us. Afterall we have had the royal nuptials now and need another boost. Let Bill deliver the budget, pass the required legislation, dissolve parliament and then bring it on I don’t see the need fo a 500k cost just because Hone wants to test his mandate. I think his lineup will end up going off the tracks because they are all one issue individuals (just have different issues). If we let Hone resign, then have an early election then Hone doesn’t use perks to campaign, thus saving us more money.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Where I work we export and hence trade in foreign currency all the time, we hedge and adjust our holdings in the various currencies we trade in every day as a matter of course. We want to lock-in the current rates which relate to our costs in a meaningful way. Why would you want to tax that ?
A tobin tax Ed is a micro-tax, of a fraction of a percent, and as I said, it’s aimed at the high-volume low-margin computer-trade transactions that make up the bulk of market activity. Small volume traders like yourselves don’t even notice it.
You can’t implement it BTW unless its international and of course the lobby groups kibosh that anywhere it raises its ugly yet beautiful head.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Fantastic to see that Mike Sabin has won the National Party nomination for Northland.
Finally we may have a true right winger, someone who says what he thinks, in the governing party as opposed to the current bunch of bobbleheaded yes men (and women) who currently make up the numbers.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
bloody hell .. I have now had a comment deleted on redablurt by Grant Robertson .. off topic (is Grant really Trev). Can’t even remember what I said but can’t have been too bad .. they are so sensitive ( may have been about Hone ,, hehe).
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Sabin eh. Another ex cop to go with the fella from Rodney.
Vote:Would appear that the word is out in the ex cop world to say what a lucrative past time being an MP is.
The place will be overun with them and lawyers.
April 30th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Welcome to the left jaba, most things are off topic to these dick pullers, except perversion, lies , deceit, nepotism, atheism, corruption and just good old censorship.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
ssb So Hone is racist and Brash and Act party members are not? Really.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
ssb So Hone is racist and Brash and Act party members are not? Really.
Yes.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
What a great week in politics. We now have a My Way or the Highway Party and a By-Elections are Cheap Publicity Stunts for Aging Activists Party.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
@joana
I don’t recall Brash et all calling for selective race laws, using racially offensive obscenities etc.
Act and Brash seem to be labelled racists because they want equality for all. Bastards!
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
ffs joana .. Brash wants 1 law for all, Hone wants no laws for Maori and Maori laws for non Maori .. where have you been?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Such a funny afternoon funny watching overt racists blaming their victims.
I doubt Hone is racist, although of course he could well be, but I don’t doubt Hone is very, very pissed off at us “white mofos” He’s entitled to be.
And a word for Don Brash, the treaty process and Maori sense of grievance will end when Maori no longer dominate the lower deciles of our socio-economic statistical tables, as they do now because of over 150 years of dispossession, oppression and discrimination.
And their mana is restored.
Simple, really.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Seeing is believing.
Up to this very moment all National MPs are automatically castrated when they enter Parliament, and forced to toe the party line (dissent is not tolerated). So, what makes you think Mr Sabin will raise his voice against the likes of Nick Smith and Double Dipton English? Chances are slim, very slim.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
We now have a My Way or the Highway Party
Pete I thought you were way better than that.
ACT is merely enunciating policies that have been drop-dead obvious from the get-go.
If you think they are harsh on poor people then sorry, you simply don’t understand economic mechanics. ACT’s policies implemented with temperance and genuine wisdom offerings from all other parties would in fact solve a whole heck of a lot of current issues in the economy and widespread application thereof would produce boom-times. They will also produce bust times. That’s part of the price.
Over to us, really, isn’t it. Do we want a slow gradual decline over the years and decades and generations such as we’ve been experiencing since the 1950′s, or do we want something different. Let’s face it, we’ve tried the welfare state, didn’t work. We’re currently half-heartedly applying Hayeck’s theories. Started off with a hiss and a roar but soon has a cup of tea and never really recovered. Meanwhile the rest of the world is now far ahead of us in said Hayeckian economics. Never mind, eh.
I understand why lefties hate ACT so much but I think it’s really mental and counter-productive. I mean, ACT is more concerned with economic than social reform and lefties are vice versa. And when you think about it, the left are composed of people who should know more about that than conservatives do, and vice versa.
Yet each side both liberal and conservative pretend expertise they don’t have in all fields simply cause that’s what the game requires.
It would be interesting wouldn’t it if the conservatives were given free reign over the conservative talents and vice versa and that’s where the political arguments happened.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I love Luc he’s old school lefty, uses the evil words, racists, sexists, homophobic etc etc. Hone has no reason to be pissed off, he’s rolling in clover Luc, unfortunately he’s using our tax dollars to promote a stupid failed look at the world. I’ll ask Luc one question ” how will Hone pay for every benefit in this country and maintain his station in life when he takes charge?”
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
And a word for Don Brash, the treaty process and Maori sense of grievance will end when Maori no longer dominate the lower deciles of our socio-economic statistical tables, as they do now because of over 150 years of dispossession, oppression and discrimination.
And their mana is restored.
Simple, really.
Luc you make some very elementary errors my young and naive friend.
Firstly you pretend Maori are oppressed when they’re not.
Secondly you pretend they occupy the low decile tables because they are oppressed.
Thirdly you pretend their mythical “oppression” will end when their mana is restored.
This is mental, Luc.
Mana is an inside concept that happens in ones tummy.
I’m deadly serious. It is. It isn’t “real world” is what I’m saying.
Mana is gained from achievement.
Achievement occurs when one sets one’s mind on a goal and takes action.
Achievement (a.k.a. Mana) never occurs unless one does that.
Oppression occurs when people are physically or psychologically dominated into believing or knowing they can’t take action to prevent what is happening to them.
Do you seriously Luc think any person is in that position in NZ as a result of political policies?
Do you seriously think large swathes of the population are held back from the gates of opportunity by nasty conservative policies? What a fucking mental if so, but if so, pray tell.
Thing lefties don’t get, is people won’t do a damn thing if everything is left to the state, and we saw this play out before our very eyes with the USSR in its dying days with chronic workforce alcoholism, dysfunctional supply chains in every single product you can name, no-one gave a fuck. That happened, didn’t it Luc. It did, didn’t it.
This is cause socialism is ahuman Luc. It seeks to impose itself on daily life, not assist one to live it.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
@ Luc – “White motherfuckers” isn’t racist? FFS; what kind of utopia do you inhabit.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
“Racist” is a magic word the left use when they have no argument.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
It was a dig at methods rather than policies reid. Brash will have to learn a bit of patience, and he should also understand that he has to earn influence from now on, and that will more likely succeed if he sells the policies to the public and brings them on board rather than strongarming which will put more people off than it attracts.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
he should also understand that he has to earn influence from now on, and that will more likely succeed if he sells the policies to the public and brings them on board rather than strongarming which will put more people off than it attracts.
OK Pete if something has to be done and people don’t know it has to be done and explaining why is not simple, how does one proceed?
We both and probably all here know precisely what needs to be done so I’m not inviting discussion on those details but I’m asking, if you were Brash on the mission he is obviously on and just concede for a minute he’s right, how would you play your cards?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Good on you Reid but you are way to kind. The left are fuck heads and their talk of “social justice” the “poor” the “unprivileged” are the direct result of the bullshit they spin. The left need these people. Why do the left hate the far right so much, most wouldn’t have a clue. They’ve been told from tossers like like luc that the right are evil. Fucking two bobs don’t realise that as bad as their life is they wouldn’t have a roof over their heads if it wasn’t for the wealth generated by the evil rich. I just can’t figure how the left believe they can be all things to all people without some of these people giving more then they have without consequence
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
First job after sorting out the debris – Brash has to attract enough party votes. He has said himself, the number of Act MPs will affect how much influence they can have. If he scares the horses too much he’ll find that he’s flogged a dead party.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Was at the Mana Party launch today (not a member – not a member of any political party) and there was a lot of interest in the postcard that I have had produced, addressed to Prime Minister John Key – where those who sign pledge:
‘to consider not paying this proposed Auckland Council 4.9% rate increase’.
How many Kiwibloggers who live in the Auckland ($upercity) Council area are even aware that a 4.9% rates increase was proposed in the Auckland Council Draft Annual Plan – for which submissions closed on 1 April 2011?
Aren’t you lucky that you now have a chance to express your displeasure?
I am hoping to set up in Remuera on Monday 2 May over lunchtime, with postcards, and these new signs that state:
“$UPERCITY = SUPER RIPOFF!”
“NO RATE$ INCREASE!”
“CUT OUT THE CONTRACTOR$!”
The wording of this postcard – (so you will just want to grab one and sign it – because you already know what it says) – is:
“This new Auckland (Supercity) Council is now proposing a 4.9% rates increase!
(While reducing most former Council’s prompt rates payment discounts.)
Where are the ‘economies of scale’ resulting from forcibly abolishing our eight former councils and replacing them with this ‘corporate controlled organisation’?
National promised to ‘consult with Aucklanders once the findings of the Royal Commission were known’:
http://www.national.org.nz/files/2008/local_government_policy
You didn’t. Citizens were denied our lawful right to a ‘binding poll’ and now Auckland is being run ‘like a BIG business, by BIG business , for BIG business’.
Bigger contract$ for fewer but bigger contractors? Serving whose interests?
The ‘books’ are NOT open.
We don’t know the name of the consultants/contractors; the scope, term and value of these contracts.
WHO IS IN CHARGE?
Where is the ‘due diligence’, ‘cost-benefit analysis’ and ‘transparency’?
CUT rates by cutting out contractors and bring core Council services back ‘in-house’!
I pledge to consider not paying this proposed Auckland Council 4.9% rate increase.
NAME:_________________________________________________________
ADDRESS:______________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
SIGNED:_____________________________________DATE:______________
(Please advise the Auckland Council forthwith – submissions closed on 1 April 2011)
____________________________________________________________________________________________________”
I know ‘Teflon John’ will want to flick this away ASAP – but to whom?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
April 30th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Jabba
Re: ‘Hone wants no laws for Maori and Maori laws for non Maori’
‘Houston, we have a problem’!! Sadly there is a certain ‘Hatfield’ in his ancestry who just happens to have been Scottish (oops!).
Therefore, Hone will be at war with himself (if only. . . ).
It will be very educational to see how he gets around that ‘minor’ inconvenience. Because they are well practiced at such things (and in avoiding the facts) no doubt the ‘MoFos’ will be able to ‘assist’ him in overcoming this ‘inconvenient truth’.
One watches with interest. . .
.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Penny.
Your repetitive substitution of the letter ‘s’ with a dollar sign is both clever and original and marks you out as a serious thinker.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Way to go Penny! I’m sure using dollar signs instead of the letter S will make people take your message extremely serious.
E: That was $arca$m by the way.
Why don’t you write to the mayor who campaigned on the basis of transparency and who set up all the useless committees instead of making a bee-line for the PM?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
IV2
Ask ssb if “black mofo” is racist.
I understand why Hone and some of his whanau would call us names. It doesn’t mean they are racist.
reid
Get a grip. When I was growing up it was all “re(i)ds under the bed”. Now you young fellas are all on about socialism. I’m just talking about justice. Your socio-analysis is shallow and immature. Just for comparison, look around at other similarly conquered or swamped indigenous peoples and see how they have fared, even in countries richer than ours – the US, for example – and tell me why our indigenous people should have fared any differently.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
If he scares the horses too much he’ll find that he’s flogged a dead party.
Why do you think he would (scare the horses)?
Just for comparison, look around at other similarly conquered or swamped indigenous peoples and see how they have fared, even in countries richer than ours – the US, for example – and tell me why our indigenous people should have fared any differently.
Luc, I’m talking about NZ, no others. So how, pray tell, are people prevented from achieving today, in NZ?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
This new Auckland (Supercity) Council is now proposing a 4.9% rates increase! (While reducing most former Council’s prompt rates payment discounts.) Where are the ‘economies of scale’ resulting from forcibly abolishing our eight former councils and replacing them with this ‘corporate controlled organisation’?
That’s a good question Penny. Let’s hope whoever takes over Rodney’s portfolio comes up with a great answer, by 6:00 AM Monday morning. Let’s also hope it wasn’t Len’s fault.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
So Luc If I call you a white mofo you will be over the moon. You want to grow a set man. Scum like Hone love you limp dicked liberals.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
It is interesting that being called a “white motherfucker”, a ‘cracker’, a “honkey” or a “pakeha” is not seen as a good enough reason for the person on the receiving end to be offended.
However, call somebody a “black bastard”, a “nigger” or a “Hori” and it seems that any abuse ( be it physical or verbal) that comes the way of the person using those word is justified.
When did the white man give up his right to be offended at being racially abused?…and when will we hear morons like Toad and Luc start looking at race relations with both eyes open?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
errrr…. National Party ex-MP Pansy Wong caused a by-election in Botany after being effectively forced to resign over her arguably corrupt practices.
National’s Jami-Lee Ross effectively caused the current Auckland Council Howick by-election when he chose to stand, then won the Botany by-election.
How much did THAT cost taxpayers / ratepayers and who’s pointing the finger at National – if we’re looking at the costs of by-elections being a waste of public monies?
At least the by-election that Hone will be causing wasn’t as a result of arguably ‘misusing public office for public gain’ – as was that of National Party ex-MP Pansy Wong?
(Don’t forget – we’re still waiting for the Office of the Auditor-General to complete their investigation, which should, as I understand it, include the changing of the company address of ‘Shipley & Wong Ltd’ to that of Pansy Wong’s electorate office on 11 June 2010?
How much of the public spotlight has been shone on THAT issue by corporate media? )
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
April 30th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
It is interesting that being called a “white motherfucker”, a ‘cracker’, a “honkey” or a “pakeha” is not seen as a good enough reason for the person on the receiving end to be offended.
I suggest bb that the white race gets together in an online campaign to end this hate crime immediately.
Frankly I’m fucking sick of being called a white motherfucker cracker honkey pakeha s.o.b. so there, which my neighbours do all the time. (They also point at me as well.) The whole thing simply devalues me as a human being and hurts and puzzles me.
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
luc – i think youre the most damaged dude here and thats saying a lot.
ya wanna know who the true oppressors are? its like of john and YOU.
who are the fuck are you to decide that maori have no mana? and that it needs to be restored? ya stereo typing bastard
the maoris i know dont feel oppressed and would be offended if some old lefty victim told them they were
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
# reid (7,033) Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
This new Auckland (Supercity) Council is now proposing a 4.9% rates increase! (While reducing most former Council’s prompt rates payment discounts.) Where are the ‘economies of scale’ resulting from forcibly abolishing our eight former councils and replacing them with this ‘corporate controlled organisation’?
That’s a good question Penny. Let’s hope whoever takes over Rodney’s portfolio comes up with a great answer, by 6:00 AM Monday morning. Let’s also hope it wasn’t Len’s fault.”
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________
errr…. suggest you check out if Citizens and Ratepayers Auckland Councillors were opposed to ANY rate$ increase for this current Auckland Council Draft Annual Plan?
You may care to check out whether the Citizens and Ratepayers candidate in the Howick Ward by-election, Dick Quax is:
a) Opposed to this proposed 4.9% Auckland Council rate increase?
b) If he is opposed to this proposed 4.9% Auckland Council rate increase – what is HE doing about it?
Remember, National/ACT/ whatever/ former Auckland City Council Mayor John Banks campaigned for Auckland Council Mayor, as a proud supporter of the Auckland ‘Supercity’.
Does John Banks support this proposed 4.9% Auckland Council rates increase?
Does John Banks support cutting out the private consultants and contractors (including contract administrators) and returning core Council services back to ‘in-house’ Council provision in order to cut rates?
If not – why would the voting public of Epsom even consider ‘feeding the mouth that (effectively) has bitten them’?
NB: Some of us – from DAY ONE – warned that the $upercity was NOT for the benefit of citizens and ratepayers – it was all about setting up a bigger public trough for fewer but bigger (multinational) private snouts.
The simple answer to cutting rates is by cutting out all these private ‘piggies in the middle’.
http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
History has this habit of proving who was right and who was wrong…………………
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
April 30th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
errrr… suggest you read my comment again Penny.
I wasn’t inviting mere repetition of the original issue which is what you just gave, I was inviting new information. Care to provide any, or not really?
Vote:April 30th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
reid (7,035) Says:
April 30th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
errrr… suggest you read my comment again Penny.
I wasn’t inviting mere repetition of the original issue which is what you just gave…”
Suggest you follow your own advice Reid?
Good night!
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 1st, 2011 at 6:53 am
ACT will be looking to appoint John Banks as the new Auckland minister as part of the coalition deal. John has experience in that role due to his former career as mayor and will bring a fresh perspective to Aucklands governance.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 6:54 am
@ Penny; since when has the Prime Minister been responsible for decisions of a left-wing city council led by a left-wing Mayor? You’re barking up the wrong tree. Go and protest against Len Brown; that would be a good start.
PS: you were at the Mana Party launch? Sheesh: I never would have picked that!
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 7:30 am
I excuse her ignorance and stupidity. After all, this poor woman has been “opressed” all her life:
Kiwi drug mule: I knew about parcel
Jailed Kiwi Sharon Armstrong knew she was carrying a secret parcel in a hidden compartment in her suitcase – but she is adamant she had no idea the parcel contained drugs. The surprise revelation came in an exclusive interview with the Herald on Sunday in Buenos Aires’ Unidad 31 prison.
Armstrong’s faint hopes of an early release from prison were dashed when Judge Daniel Petrone confirmed he would proceed with a full investigation at a private court appearance.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 7:40 am
“Jailed Kiwi Sharon Armstrong knew she was carrying a secret parcel ”
You’ve got to be kiddin me !!!! She knew she had a secret parcel hidden in a compartment in the suitcase and she still went through with it !! ??? My God how fucking dumb is that..and she was high up in a Govt dept role here in NZ ? Oh pleease.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 8:15 am
Cross-posted from Born In The USA thread –
WND points out that Obama co-sponsored a bill in 2008 requiring McCain to have ‘natural born parents’ to qualify to be a candidate in the running for POTUS.
Pity that no one saw fit to use these very same criteria in regards to Obama himself – criteria he would failed to have met, as his father is NOT a natural born citizen, which the Constitution requires any Presidential candidates to be.
So really, all the releasing of the Birth Certificate has done is prove that Obama is not eligible, because of his father.
Sorry to harp on it, but yeh….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJgY86nmEHc&feature=player_embedded
[DPF: The birthers never give up. You are factually totally wrong. First of all the constitutional requirement is for you to be born in the USA, not for your father to be.
But most of all you are wrong on the bill he co-sponsored. It did not require McCain to have natural born parents. There was some marginal doubt over whether McCain qualified as he was born in Panama as his father was serving there in the military. The bill co-sponsored by Obama was actually to remove any doubt over McCain eligibility by amending the Constitution to specify that being a natural born citizen includes being born overseas if you are a child of American military personnel serving there.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing]
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 8:33 am
Exactly..
DPF, that’s not what I get from the reading of the resolution – it was to determine BOTH – 1. whether McCain was born on American soil, and 2. whether his parents (BOTH of them) were “natural born citizens”.
Vote:Did you even read the resolution?
May 1st, 2011 at 8:41 am
# KevinH (229) Says:
May 1st, 2011 at 6:53 am
ACT will be looking to appoint John Banks as the new Auckland minister as part of the coalition deal. John has experience in that role due to his former career as mayor and will bring a fresh perspective to Aucklands governance.”
What utter garbage!
Have you NO idea of John Bank’s previous track record?
How ‘dodgy’ is Dictator Don’s pushing of his BU$INESS MATE John Bank$ for this position?
Talk about ‘job$ for the boy$’?
Whose interests are being served here?
Seems that the ‘business’ model – is GREAT for business people (well – those who get the Council contract$).
Pity about the public majority of citizens and ratepayers who just become a GIANT CA$H COW – ‘ALL PAY – NO SAY’?
PS: This $upercity – super rip off’ happened on ‘shonky’ corporate raider John Key’s watch – although he used Rodney Hide as the ‘flak catcher’.
So, in my considered opinion, it is TOTALLY appropriate that concern about this Auckland Council proposed 4.9% rate increase comes back to ‘shonky’ John Key.
(You disagree all you like – I’ll give this earnest consideration – while I’m collecting signatures on these proposed ‘partial rate$ revolt’ post cards – in the heart of Remuera……….)
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 1st, 2011 at 8:45 am
….
Vote:I’m betting that if McCain’s father had been a foreigner that his American mother had met and married while working in Panama, that McCain would have been ineligible to run as POTUS. Is that a fair enough assumption to make? And if so, how would that differ with regard to Obama’s circumstances?
May 1st, 2011 at 8:53 am
Jaba
Vote:Brash does not want one law for all. The only person who has ever articulated one law for all is Winston..Brash wants pakeha law for all. He cannot think outside his own culture.
Fletch..don’t apologize for harping. Just about everyone else does it when it suits them. Obama’s father was a serial womaniser , a polygamist and possibly a child rapist , an illegal immigrant etc etc..If you want regular updates on the Obama circus , read the Aussie site Winds of Jihad. It makes a change from the constant Act circus we are being feed in our own foreign media.
May 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am
Oh and David , the labelers never give up. We are not birthers; we are questioners.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 8:56 am
Fletch
He will undoubtably have been born in the canel zone which is (was) US territory and deemed to be part of the USA, the rest of the place is a total shit hole, so there was never any real trouble, just a clarification
It doesn’t matter where the parents are born, just the kids to run for POTUS
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 9:05 am
Pauleastbay, the Constitution itself refers to “natural born citizens”, although it doesn’t define what that means; however, Vattel’s The Law of Nations, writings from which the U.S. Founders drew both ideas and definitions, defines it as “natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens,” according to Book 1, Chapter 19, Paragraph 212.
That was the understanding at the time the Constitution was written: citizen offspring of citizen parents.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 10:12 am
What sort of quest are the questioners on? Apart from continuing to dig in the stupid hole.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 10:44 am
Pete,
Vote:you know I don’t respond to you but I’ll make an exception. Why do you want the questioning to stop? The questioning is likely to stop when the questions are answered. Some people have low standards and accept any old answer to questions.
Others like Fletch have higher standards and keep on questioning.
May 1st, 2011 at 10:48 am
I didn’t say I wanted the questioning to stop. I was implying that by continuing to ask more and more desperate questions the questioners look more and more like Joe Hunts.
When wiser people realise they have backed the wrong conspiracy they shut up about it and move on to something else.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 11:06 am
Well you would know all about wiser people Pete..I am off out to the garden. Have a good day in Dunners.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 11:20 am
Fletch, you seem to fall for every silly conspiracy theory going. I remember you promoting Noel Hilliam’s bizarre claim that an ancient advanced civlisation of white people built cities all over New Zealand, and in the process embarrassing even your fellow postsers at the NZ Conservative blog. This birther/natural born citizen stuff is just as silly. If your definition of ‘natural-born citizen’ really had been accepted in the US, then Thomas Jefferson could never have been President. Nor could Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, Herbert Hoover, Chester Arthur, and James Buchanan. All of those folks had at least one foreign-born parent; Jackson had two. And if you’re going to say that Obama isn’t eligible to be President because he had a foreign-born father, are you going to be consistent and argue that many of the leading Republican contenders for the 2012 nomination should be disqualified? After all, Donald Trump has a Scottish mother, Romney has one foreign-born parent, and Bobby Jindal has two Indian parents. I do find it odd that you’re focused on the black guy…
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Scott, I still do believe that people lived here before Maori. The opinion that Maori were here first has only been perpetuated since the 1970s. In fact, a vote at the 2002 Archaeological Association Conference was split – 27 voted for and 24 against early human arrival. There was eventually a majority consensus that humans had brought rats to New Zealand in 100AD, but didn’t stay.
In the latest eLocal magazine they examine the early Waitaha people and their history. You also ignore the so-called “stone city” that was found in Waipoua Forest in the 1980s, and which contained material from midden dumps that dated 950 plus or minus 50 years. The public was forbidden to come and see and the findings there have been
hiddenembargoed until 2063 (why?)As for the presidency – yes the founders were foreign born, but they are the only ones that law does not apply to (see the accompanying youtube video).
Are you accusing me of racism? I guess that’s the only card you have left to play. I’m quite happy with a person of any color being POTUS as long as they qualify. I’d vote for Allen West (an African American Republican), as he’s a patriot and believes in the country. Unlike Obama, I’m sure he’d uphold the ideals of the Constitution.
According to the rules, it really doesn’t matter what heritage people have – who their forebears were, as long as they are American now. Is that too hard for you to understand?
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 4:50 pm
I’ve said before, Obama has spent millions of dollars to hide his passport records, kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records and schedules, medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license and adoption records.
Why?
There’s no question he’s hiding something. No one knows much about his past, what he thought and wrote.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 5:02 pm
ps, the people defending Obama now and asking why we need to see this documentation, are the very people who demanded to see George Bush’s National Guard records, three years into his presidency (and who ended up with egg on their faces)
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I’ve never demanded to see George Bush’s National Guard records.
So far there is a lot of evidence suggesting that Obama was born in Honolulu.
There is absolutely no evidence he was born anywhere else.
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that many people want to find something, anything, that makes Obama ineligible to be POTUS. Why?
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Like all conspiracy theorists, Fletch, you avoid the facts when they’re put in front of you. I gave you a list of Presidents from different periods of US history who had had at least one foreign-born parent. In reply you claim that ‘founding fathers’ were allowed to have foreign-born parents, but nobody else has been allowed to. Do you have any idea when Woodrow Wilson served as President? How about Herbert Hoover? Do you think these folk should have prevented from being presidents? If it’s OK for them to serve, and for folks with foreign-born parents like Trump, Romney and Jindal to throw their hats into the ring, then why pick on Obama? Nearly a sixth of the men who have served as President have had one or more foreign-born parents!
As numerous people have pointed out, Obama has not spent ‘millions of dollars’ keeping his birth certificate secret. Various Birthers have filed legal cases and lost them. Obama has nothing to do with the cost of these cases, which apparently comes to around $700,000, not millions of dollars.
You seem to be one of the last people on the internet still repeating Noel Hilliam’s nonsense about a massive sophisticated civilisation of white people existing in New Zealand thousands of years ago. You do know that Hilliam has been completely discredited, don’t you, after falsely claiming to have won a prestigious award last year, falsely claiming to have found a Nazi U boat full of gold, and collaborating with the bizarro New Age Waitaha cult, whose members claim to come from Outer Space? I ran through some of Hilliam’s fantasies here:
http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2010/11/dargavilles-media-should-honour-towns.html
The debate over the rat bones Holdaway found in the Hawkes Bay and dated as being around 1800 years old has nothing at all to do with Hilliam’s fantasies. The bones came from a kiore – a Polynesian rat. It may have been dropped off here by a group of visitors from Western Polynesia or Melanesia. It’s pretty pathetic evidence for a vast civilisation of ancient supwerwhites building observatories and megaliths.
No trained scholar has ever endorsed Hilliam’s bizarre ideas, and it is not true that scholars believed in a pre-Maori people up til the ’70s. In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century there was a view that the first inhabitants of these islands were a Melanesian people who were chased off to the Chathams by the ancestors of the Maori. This view was discredited in the 1920s by the publication of HD Skinner’s The Moriori People of the Chatham Islands. Skinner used linguistic, skeletal and cultural evidence to show that the Moriori were Polynesian, not Melanesian. More recently Lisa Matisoo-Smith’s testing of kiore bones found in Moriori sites on the Chathams has shown that the rats of the islands came from the northern South Island around the twelfth century.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 7:18 pm
This is one of the funnier ones.
Of course it wouldn’t have been Martin Luther King.
Vote:May 1st, 2011 at 7:30 pm
This is a very good interview between Brash and JT/Willie.
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