General Debate 25 June 2011
June 25th, 2011 at 4:20 am by David FarrarAs there is a by-election on today, please refrain for commenting on which candidates should be supported etc in the by-election until after voting closes at 7 pm.
Related posts:
- General Debate 13 June 2009
- General Debate 3 June 2011
- General Debate 14 June 2011
- General Debate 24 June 2011
June 25th, 2011 at 5:38 am
Let’s hope last week was an exception, and the left provide the own goals from now on. Don’t forgtet to stock up on popcorn and coke guys.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Well, David I’m of the opinion that when one ‘quacks like a duck’ they deserve ridicule, regardless of it’s political leanings, otherwise I might as well read Red Alert or the VDS.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:05 am
Ahh random kickoff returns, I muse how many will turn up at 0800 NZST and find their daily adrenaline rush has been trumped.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:23 am
Yes gravedodger- out there is someone who will be logging on, hoping to say “First” and thereby validate their miserable self, and now DPF has deprived them of this small amusement. Ah well, off to work.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Darwins law is not working here?
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/5191781/Sleeping-with-baby-earns-coroners-ire
June 25th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Not planning to tweet anything today DPF? Isn’t you current Twitter avatar election advertising?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:40 am
Is Heather Roy allergic to succulents? One Cactus in Act, and she’s off!
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/06/is-cactus-acts-prickly-solution-part.html
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Thanks for the reminder Toad; had changed my FB avatar, but not my Twitter one …
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:54 am
If we cannot talk about what candidate we want to win can we at least talk about those who we do NOT want to win?
Actually today will end up being a watershed day in race relations for this country, today we will find out if NZ has a future that will be one of unity and coming together or a future where race and racism dominates.
Today is a day where the painfully politically correct and those suffering from guilty white syndrome may be forced to accept that it is not just the white “mofo’s” who are racist.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:57 am
It’s great to see a real contest in the by-election, it’s created real interest. The best man will win – as chosen by his electorate.
The traditional party considerations are thrown out the window as they should be.
Man versus man, mana versus mana.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:03 am
And since we still have to put up with jokes about how stupid Dan Quayle was it’s probably worthwhile sending this piece around the traps, since you can bet the MSM won’t:
How? Because other people are just shimmering avatars in his universe, that’s how. Useful in the moment.
I’m beginning to agree with that leftie who said that “Obama is awesome”: stupidity such as this is indeed awesome.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am
The herald is saying cactus Kate will be an act candidate this year… Looks like I’m switching back to national
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Eh?
Low taxes and lots of cheap sex. I’d have thought that was utopia for you?
On second thought, the sex would be pretty damned expensive, so I can perhaps see your problem.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
We think P is bad…
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10734328
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:09 am
This sounds like typical bureaucrats getting all carried away with their authoriti.
I wonder what the specific instances were and what was the final straw. Hopefully some journo like Fran will tell us very soon.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Saudi Arabia, that highly civilised country and follower of the “religion of peace”: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/24/jewish-groups-outraged-over-delta-saudi-agreement/
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Some savage animals get arrested: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5191825/Three-arrested-in-police-siege
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am
I have heard that the Unite Union will be visiting the headquarters of the Employer and Manufacturers Association to hand out 200 items for very personal female hygiene.
Vote:It would be a good idea for the EMA to print off 200 copies of the Inland Revenue Department’s IR 348 form titled
“Employers’ Monthly Schedule”. These could be handed out to the protesters.
Unite Support Services Ltd officials need those forms to remind them of their duties as employers.
June 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Dime
Not sure I could join you in supporting the gutless Nat’s but I do agree with you re ACT given theilikelyey candidate.
Looks like an election where I will not be casting a vote.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/top-10-most-sinister-psyops-mission-patches/
Oderint Dum Metuant is now my motto and practice for success in life.
Tauhei that is a good idea.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
reid
My favourite is from the Dam Busters, 617 Squadron “Apres Moi le Deluge”.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
The women living there in the knowledge of what these criminals did deserve to be thrown in jail too.
But the problem is these gunmen will get a tiny sentence themselves, after not paying the money back, so it’s hard to say the aiders and abettors can be locked up for very long.
This terrorisation of individuals causes immense distress for the victims which can last for years and years. It’s the type of action that shows you that these assholes don’t care a jot for the couple they robbed. It tells us that they will never affect society in a positive way. They really deserve a good 20 years non-parole-period. The women who helped deserve at least 5 in the slammer. I don’t care about the cost – I’d rather pay for their jail time than their dole, their crimes and their future court cases.
(Tried to keep this futile rant short.)
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:33 am Vote:
June 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
reid @ 10.03am
Well I guess that is it. With the normal knee jerk attitude of NZ’s ban everything brigade codeine will join the list of otherwise useful drugs that allow sufferers of chronic pain a chance to live normal lives.
No stone will be left unturned in the relentless struggle to protect useless bastards with no willpower from harming themselves.
Stuff the rest of us.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:51 am
nasska
I don’t think you’ve been able to get codeine over the counter for ages. Same as pseudoephidrine, which was really good for my sinus.
Just because someone wants to ban substances.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Nobody is buying Heather Roys feeble excuse for diving for the back door. Claiming three terms is enough is pathetic. Of course she is being pushed to make way for Cactus Kate via Hong Kong. Increasingly ACT look dead in the water, Brash has not made a hell of a lot of difference and could be leading them to oblivion.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:00 am
At just what point does Slut Walk become Boobs on Bikes?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Thanks for the link reid. I wonder how that guy came by so many of those obscure mission patches?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:04 am
nasska what a shocking drug it must be though to make people disregard those side effects… I’m shocked.
adze the author of the book those came from made numerous Freedom of Information requests apparently.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Until we introduce financial literacy classes into secondary schools, the West will continue to plummet economically.
Things you can do.
1. Tell your kids to pay themselves first. Put away a set amount of money first and then make the rest cover all expenses.
2. From a young age teach your kids without fail to put some money away for savings, some for investment and some for charity every time they receive money or a pay check.
3. Get them to read “The Richest Man in Babylon”.
4. Tell them there will be no government retirement provisions and that they will have to prepare for their own retirement.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Yvette what is the deal with Slut Walk? What is the point they are making?
AK good advice. Richest Man in Babylon should be on the curriculum instead of Marxism for Children as it currently is.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:31 am
reid
What’s thick book about Marxism on the school curriculum? When did that happen?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:31 am
I repasting my comment from the other thread on Alasdair Thompson here on GD:
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With Google that you can google everything, I’m surprised that journalists, bloggers & commentators don’t fuckn’ seem to just Google. I have found a few and here is one that supported Alasdair Thompson comment.
The following paper was originally appeared in American Economic Journal: Applied Economics, 1(1): 183–218.
Abstract
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In most Western countries illness-related absenteeism is higher among female workers than among male workers. Using the personnel dataset of a large Italian bank, we show that the probability of an absence due to illness increases for females, relative to males, approximately 28 days after a previous illness. This difference disappears for workers age 45 or older. We interpret this as evidence that the menstrual cycle raises female absenteeism. Absences with a 28-day cycle explain a significant fraction of the male-female absenteeism gap. To investigate the effect of absenteeism on earnings, we use a simple model in which employers cannot directly observe workers’ productivity, and therefore use observable characteristics – including absenteeism – to identify productive workers. Since men are absent from work because of health and shirking reasons, while women face an additional exogenous source of health shocks due to menstruation, the signal extraction based on absenteeism is more informative about shirking for males than for females. Consistent with the predictions of the model, we find that the relationship between earnings (or worker quality) and absenteeism is more negative for males than for females. Furthermore, this difference declines with seniority, as employers learn more about their workers’ true productivity. Finally, we calculate the earnings cost for women associated with menstruation. We find that higher absenteeism induced by the 28-day cycle explains 11.8 percent of the earnings gender differential.
Full Preprint PDF Download : Biological Gender Differences, Absenteeism and the Earning Gap
Can someone send the paper above to fuckn politicians (and Govt ministers) who made uninformed comments in that TV3′s interview. Send the link to Mai Chen as well. She made herself look like an idiot with her comment. She is a brilliant lawyer, but she has no knowledge (zilch) in statistical/economic studies. Rachel Morton should have done what a journalists should have done. I would ring up some economists and fact check if indeed what Alasdair Thompson said has some truth to it. If I was her, I would check with 2 fine University of Canterbury economists first, such as Dr. Paul Walker & Dr. Eric Crampton.
Some commentators here and on the public media are jumping up & down for the reason of PC rather than face the facts.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:36 am
“Some savage animals get arrested”
..just cull them now…them , their whores and their offspring..get rid of ‘em..we dont need shit like this living among us.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:45 am
reid @ 11.04am
Yes, the report leaves little doubt that Krokodil has terrible side effects & is a tragedy for those who choose to be involved with it. My point is that one of the ingredients is a painkiller containing codeine which is very effective for those of us with joint injuries. Codeine as mikenmild stated is only available under a doctors prescription & I have no argument with that. I think there are painkillers containing small amounts of codeine mixed with paracetamol sold as a pharmacy only medicine. The paracetamol discourages excessive use as large doses terminate liver function making the product unattractive to those seeking a high or feeding an addiction.
The people who “cook” cold remedies & painkillers are trying to extract the drugs they want from the pharmaceutical mix.
To this end John Key’s government, assisted greatly by his half wit scientific adviser Peter Gluckman of global warming fame, banned all painkillers containing even small amounts of Dextropropoxyphene commonly known as methadone. This was about the same time as we were all condemned to go back to suffering the full effects of winter colds so that the ingredients used to produce “P” were imported in bulk from China & Iran became 100% instead of 98%.
Given this track record I’m sure that you will forgive me my scepticism that the “ban it” brigade won’t prevail.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Reid – Yvette what is the deal with Slut Walk? What is the point they are making?
In January, a Toronto police officer told a group of university students that women should avoid dressing like “sluts” to avoid being raped. He later apologised.
The New Zealand “SlutWalks” are planned for today with organisers telling the Sunday Star-Times they are rallying “to place the blame for sexual assault where it belongs: on the perpetrators”.
“We are promoting the idea that women should be able to dress how they like without having to wonder if they will be blamed if they are attacked.”
– stuff.co.nz
It seems the thinking is that no matter how provocatively a woman may dress, that can never be an excuse for any misfortune that may befall her.
The question, “at what point does Slut Walk become Boobs on Bikes” was just to suggest either the Slut Walk organisers or Steve Crowe are missing something.
In fact, can a woman dress provocatively, since it is apparently the duty of men to ignore such provocation. So can it exist?
Vote:A bit like Maori, or any ethnic minority, can’t be racist.
[I don't understand that either]
June 25th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Great news for today –
Geert Wilders cleared of all charges against him.
Vote:A great day for freedom of speech in the West (and freedom in general).
June 25th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Tristan………I wonder if we will ever know if any of the three were on bail or parole at the time. Somehow I think they may have been………”One of the cars was registered to a Jeremy Gorinski, 32, for whom police had been searching for six weeks, Detective Senior Sergeant Paul Borrell said. “
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
I bet the jury won’t (until after the trial) – because it would be “prejudicial”!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
I see two of them have been charged with the Upper Hutt home invasion earlier in the week which probably explains the police lockdown of Wainuiomata yesterday. A bloody good result for the police; these were seriously bad bastards.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I thought it was interesting that there’s only really the one way out of Wainui via road! (Unless you go via Coast Road past Pencarrow lighthouse and back up past Eastbourne, a route I assume you’d have to break down a few gates.)
It’s obvious but I never really thought about it before. It’d be pretty isolating if some natural disaster took out the road, but I guess there are a few areas in NZ like this.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Inventory2 8:40 am. I sure hope this is true. She’d be invaluable. Cactus Kate is the polar opposite of flaky. Heather Roy’s bulletin has long been relegated to my spam folder.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Hell, is cactus over sixty five, she had a few believing she was in her thirties.
Women and paid time off because they are sick, this means in reality women are getting paid more then men.
Vote:Time to add unused sick days onto annual leave ? that would make men and women equal.
June 25th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Yvette, Maori can be racist perish the thought, I know some fine white mo/fo
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
grumpyoldhori
Cactus not being in her 60′s could be a problem. On present form she could be thirty years younger than the rest of the caucus come November. Just how she will adjust to the codgerati is anyone’s guess but at least there will be one ACT MP able to front the media without adjusting their incontinence pants.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Paddy Murphy went to the hospital as his wife was having a baby.
Upon arriving, the Nurse says ‘Congratulations, your wife has had quins – 5 big baby boys.’
Paddy says, ‘I’m not surprised, I have a Willie like a chimney.’
The nurse replies, ‘Well you need to get it cleaned because they’re all black.’
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
My grandpa started walking
five miles a day when he was 60.
Now he’s 97 years old
and we have no idea where the hell he is.
For those over 60
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Yvette thanks for that. Frankly while I understand why some young women seem to think the way to success is to act like men: e.g. sleep around and do casual one-night-stands just like men do, it depresses me that they have so little respect for themselves that they do so.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Derogatory comments about destiny are wrong they whine, hold on I make derogatory comments about all other bible bashers, why should thick destiny types miss out.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
reid are you suggesting young women should stay virginal etc etc etc ?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
“, it depresses me that they have so little respect for themselves that they do so.”
Good, it leaves more of them for the likes of Dime.
Not me of course, being a happily married chap I would not dream of shagging some slapper….even if she had a HOT body, even if she had HUGE tits….no……..not me…….sigh.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
reid are you suggesting young women should stay virginal etc etc etc ?
No I’m saying part of being a self-respecting woman is not acting like a slut, unless it’s just pretend and you’re just having a bit of fun.
It’s not an expression of your freedom to be a modern woman, is what I’m saying. Rather it’s an expression of your idiocy in that you are denying part of your own being for if all women were supposed to just fuck everyone that came along, what pray tell would have happened to the gene pool a long long time ago?
Of course I’m guessing here since I’m not actually a woman but it seems to me that’s a reasonable position to adopt vis-a-vis the ‘should a woman be a slut: yes or no’ question…
I would not dream of shagging some slapper….even if she had a HOT body, even if she had HUGE tits….no……..not me…….sigh.
Crikey I would, bb. It’s great being a man.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
@ reid / nasska
In Australia they seemed to have reached a reasonable solution as regards pseudoephedrine – you simply had to show some ID and have your name added to a register, accessible to pharmacists and health authorities. If you were buying enough to suggest you had more than one nose, you’re flagged. At best you can’t buy any; at worst the cops are waiting for you at your next pharmacy. Is that not the case in NZ?
reid’s link on “krokodil” just goes to show that an addict will do anything to feed their addiction. Banning pharmaceuticals that are useful and even vital to the rest of us is a form of collective punishment that offends against human rights and, worst of all, does nothing to solve the problem it ostensibly sets out to fix. We’re just meant to think “hell this flu has been with me for a month… that nice Mr Key sure is tough on illicit drugs, or I’d have been better a fortnight ago!”
Sadly, that’s exactly what enough dimwitted voters do think to make them numerically a useful sub-group.
Bottom line is, as with so many other restrictions on our freedoms, we’re suffering not because of the tiny cohort at which the law is ostensibly aimed, nor even really because of the politicians (who, after all, will do anything for power), but because of the gullibility of our fellow citizens.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Admirable and a great example of willpower! Who else could say that?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Fletch at 11.50
I’d be happier to see Gert Wilders as a proponent of free speech if he didn’t call for banning the Koran
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
What’s thick book about Marxism on the school curriculum? When did that happen?
Back in Hulun’s time, mm. She developed a secret communist-inspired curricula which continues to this day secretly paid for by the NZEI fees levied on the teachers who are the useful idiots since they truly believe by this brainwashing in how to think of others and be a good young socialist they’re doing the kids a favour. It’s all very elegant isn’t it if just a teeny bit evil and insidious but then what does one expect from Hulun and her poisonous cohorts?
No, I don’t have any evidence. That’s just what I think is happening…
we’re suffering… because of the gullibility of our fellow citizens.
Those bastards. Where are they Rex? Do you have any of their contact details? I shall write them a letter right away.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
On a different topic, I can’t let this go by without comment:
For NZ’s jails to contain a large number of people who shouldn’t be there doesn’t require widespread police corruption or even a significant number to be corrupt. Just one or two can – and do – cause hundreds of miscarriages of justice.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
reid
ha ha, I like it. Watch out for the black helicopters, too.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
reid asks:
Look for these tell-tale signs, reid.
1. They vote for nanny statists (National or Labour)
2. They rely solely, or mostly, on televised news (or the Herald or Trade Me discussion boards) as the basis on which to form their opinions.
3. They have strong opinions but are unable to proffer any provable facts on which those opinions are based, instead falling back on “[insert name of politician here] said that…” or, worse still, “It said on the news that…”
But just a letter? I’d suggest doping their water supply with bromide most days, and a strong sleeping draught every election day
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Rex
I’m sure that the ID/Register was trialled in NZ but National didn’t believe that the measure sent strong enough signals that they were being tough on crime. At the back of my mind is the suspicion that too many rental houses owned by Nat supporters were being damaged by amateurs having a “cook up”.
As could be expected the gangs now control 100% of the market in “P” & make huge profits while Customs & the Police run around like decapitated chooks seeking back pats for intercepting a fraction of the chemicals imported. Joe Public suffers unnecessarily his cold symptoms safe in the knowledge that he is doing his bit to aid the war on drugs that has been so successful throughout the world (sarcasm intended).
Perhaps as you suggest we get the government we deserve.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
I can’t let this go by without comment:
Poor bastard.
Hard to know isn’t it, why someone with a conscience like he clearly has, would ever do such a thing.
Looks like lots of compo claims coming up.
But just a letter?
I was planning to put them in touch with the Public Water Watchdog Rex. That was the plan. Introducing them to her is punishment enough for any normal human.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Reid
You do realise of course the difference between a sexually liberated woman & a slut. The latter will root everyone other than you.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
You do realise of course the difference between a sexually liberated woman & a slut.
I do but I don’t really care about that nasska. All I care about is are they pretty and do they have a hot bod.
I’m very superficial.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
@nasska:
Spot on. I’ll bet there’s a medicine cabinet in the Beehive stacked with pseudoephedrine though. Can’t have their noses blocked – it interferes with trough snuffling!
@reid:
The way I read that particular officer’s story (he had a website once, I bookmarked it, then lost my bookmarks in a hard drive crash) he was a willing participant to begin with, then when it started to bother his conscience it was too late – like any criminal enterprise he was in too deep, scared of the consequences, and under pressure from his co-conspirators.
Also it’s questionable how much the drug use to which he confesses was a way of escaping his guilt versus the cause of his recklessness.
Sending uneducated voters to the Public Water Watchdog?! So the plan is to confuse them further, then?
You’ve got me worried now… I’ve just suggested drugging voters on a blog she frequents, and she no doubt knows where all the reservoirs are. I think I’ve just gotten Penny elected Mayor of Auckland
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
“I think I’ve just gotten Penny elected Mayor of Auckland ”
Bloody Hell Rex – why punish us to this degree? We have more then enough morons on the loose already!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
So the plan is to confuse them further, then?
No it’s shock treatment to let them view with their own eyes the Armageddon hell-hole that awaits us unless they stop being quite so gullible and foolish.
It’s my very own psyop and I plan to make a special badge for it and everything.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
@reid
Good luck with the badge, someone’s already beaten you to the cap
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Just went and checked out the Slut Walk on Queen St, Auckland. Hardly anyone was wearing anything considered slutty. Just normal winter clothing. It wasn’t a circus like some of the overseas ones.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Rex says: “For NZ’s jails to contain a large number of people who shouldn’t be there doesn’t require widespread police corruption or even a significant number to be corrupt. Just one or two can – and do – cause hundreds of miscarriages of justice.”
I must admit Rex, that since I first started reading KB some years ago, I thought that your ‘oft repeated’ suspicion of the Police and the judicial process in general in NZ, was somehow wide of the mark.
Then I read today’s article in the Herald… 150 people banged up because a sworn UCO lied under oath.
Its bad enough that one person is incorrectly convicted, but this UCO gave up counting at 150???
The mind boggles.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
It wasn’t a circus like some of the overseas ones.
What a shame. I wish we’d had one in Eastbourne. I might suggest it at the next community board meeting.
It makes women feel liberated according to the feminists so it’s really about human rights, would be my main argument.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
reid
Don’t we already have enough slut walks in the Hutt? Come down to Queensgate!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Don: Heather you’ve got to go
Heather: Why Don?
Don: You are way to young and may have a fresh idea or two.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
“Aucklanders who do not pay their water bills could face a 10-minute toilet flush delay under new legislation.
The Auckland Council voted 13-6 yesterday in support of restricting water supplies to a trickle for those people who repeatedly ignored their unpaid bills, the New Zealand Herald reports.
The restrictions will reduce the water flow from 1 litre a second to 1 litre a minute. This means it could take anywhere from six to 10 minutes to fill a toilet cistern.”
How bizarre…
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Heather: But where will those ideas come from?
Don: That young John Banks has a few.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Paul I think Roy got a hard undeserved deal from Rodney but she’s never been a star performer and frankly ACT can’t afford but to have every single MP be one of those.
Jury is still out on Calvert and Boscowan.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Reid
I am not intentionally trying to wind up full on ACT supporters but FFS do you see what you have typed ?…..and frankly ACT can’t afford but to have every single MP be one of those.
Thats the problem – thats why I won’t even consider ACT as a party vote ,- there is not anyone that is even remotely in the ball park, within coo- bloody- ee of being a star performer.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Paul
Sincerely agree with that. I think ACT condemned themselves to irrelevancy some years ago.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
A woman pregnant with her first child paid a visit to her
Vote:obstetrician’s office. After the exam, she shyly said, “My
husband wants me to ask you…”
The doctor cut her off and reassured her, “I know, I know,
I get the same question all the time. Sex is fine until late
in the pregnancy.”
“No, that’s not it,” the woman confessed. “He wants to know
if I can still mow the lawn.”
June 25th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Brash and Banks are both in that category to me Paul, Brash with his knowledge and Banks with his connections.
ACT need at least one whose another dynamo like Stephen Joyce, badly.
Although he’s not a Stephen Joyce model, I also hope Stephen Franks would consider re-entering politics as well.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Act are pretty much history
NZ political parties don’t have much success in trying to take the territory traditionally occupied by Labour and National.
Jim’s New Labour didn’t fare too well, and ACT are in the same category. These are parties trying to creep in at the edge of a more appealing mainstream.
Other parties need to offer something distinctly different, like the Greens or the Maori Party.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
reid
How do you see Cathy Odgers’ future in ACT should she decide to get involved as an MP?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
I don’t know her at all in person nasska but I’ll repeat my post from Whaleoil:
I haven’t read a lot of her but what I have read I’ve liked.
Anything that syntheses ACT with a valuable and fertile further demo such as professional women is an asset. Also Brash and Banks do need some refreshment and Calvert and Boscowan don’t do it. This is not to say all four of these aren’t very good in their own ways.
She’ll need to tone herself down considerably at all times in public in order to maximise her appeal and if she does that successfully she’ll be a huge party vote puller but all it will take is a few lapses into character and the media will make sure it’s all over, rover. But she’s well aware of that and I don’t expect any problem there.
Act are pretty much history
Why do you say that mm?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
reid
I say ACT are history mainly for the reasons in my last comment: they are doomed to try and colonise some territory to the right of National. That’s a limited space and they have very little ability to project any broader appeal. Their populist attempts on topics such as perk busting and crime brought them little reward. Their leadership probl;ems have just compounded the problems.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
‘Act are pretty much history’ – wishful thinking I would say. The role of activist minority parties is not to try for broad appeal but to seek election on a policy that will appeal to a niche group; a policy that than can be carried through to influence lawmaking. Experience with MMP has shown that minority parties have considerable influence (relative to their following ), much to the dismay of many. Work behind the scenes; select committees etc. is where they can be most active. ACT has a very important role as right wing party needed to neutralize the natural tendency for Kiwis lemmings to drown in a socialist swamp.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Yes, trout, but they need MPs for that and are in danger of missing out entirely this time round. Remember too, that when founded their ambition was for 30% of the vote.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
If you were a successful Lawyer in some oriental powerhouse why the fuck would you want to come back to this little shithole to become an MP ?
Explain Cactus Kate?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Thanks for your opinion reid. After Dr Brash’s takeover I became quite interested in ACT but then Banks threw his smarmy arrogant persona into the ring & the same interest died a quick death.
If however Cathy gets the nod & a high list placing I may inch right as I can see the wanker who is Banks getting a really rough time from her. The humour alone could be the prepaid price of my vote.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
ACT doesnt need anymore chicks , they are never at bloody work anyway, always off with period pains.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Bollocks Paul. Heather saved us from the red peril even when she was suffering from it herself.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I can understand why you would want to be an MP here in preference to your current situation if in fact you were just full of shit. But I cannot understand any other reason for it!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
I say ACT are history mainly for the reasons in my last comment: they are doomed to try and colonise some territory to the right of National. That’s a limited space and they have very little ability to project any broader appeal. Their populist attempts on topics such as perk busting and crime brought them little reward. Their leadership probl;ems have just compounded the problems.
I think mm you underestimate the size of the space opened up by Key’s move to become really popular. This has disenchanted a sizeable proportion of National’s base. Key’s strategy is to pursue the floaters and he’s doing that with our money which he shouldn’t be doing since he’s governing the whole country and not just the floaters. This is precisely what Hulun did except her church was broader in every way – she saw fit to cater to lots more mendicant groups than Key ever has but still, they both do it.
Thus opening a sizeable flanking opportunity for a well articulated common-sense, focused campaign and with Ansell involved one assumes it will indeed be that.
So I’m quite hopeful. Look I float between ACT and National as needs require each election. Not because I agree with everything but because on balance they’re not quite as mental as everyone else is. But look at Labour and which policy set for example will fix our economic morass? They have no answers, do they. Seriously. Well I can’t see any.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
For all those aniti Alasdair Thompson, go read the coments by Brian Edwards and TV3 Producer, in reply. Disgusting journalism by TV3 it would seem.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
nasska why aren’t you keen on Banks?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
reid
While there’s no doubt National moved towards the centre, I think they have tried to move a bit more rightwards. For example, they’re now talking asset sales and maybe even labour market reform. They probably have the chance to do some things in tune with their core principles in this electoral cycle, because the chance of some unlikely coalition beating them out is near to zero. The question is, how bold do they think they can be?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
“Look I float between ACT and National as needs require”
So do I reid. What say you of Pete George’s party? I like it.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
reid
There is something about Banks that gets to me the same way as fingernails dragged down a blackboard. He is arrogant, not all that bright, arrogant, not as successful as he believes & comes across as a complete cock (in an arrogant way of course). He has an extensive CV of failure, prime examples being those of MP, talk back host & mayor.
If there was a dearth of failures ready to dine at the parliamentary trough I still wouldn’t back him but since there will be 7/800 no hopers vying for a seat in the next election I see nothing that makes him stand out from the rest of the bottom fifty.
In short I don’t like him.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Haven’t yet looked into it Johnboy.
The question is, how bold do they think they can be?
mm I’m one who thinks Key should have cancelled the tax cuts and announced emergency asset sales and wholesale mineral exploration and exploitation programmes would commence immediately as a consequence of this national emergency and if that meant a few frogs got wiped out then fuck it.
That’s what I would have said in my first day in office, were I Key.
I’m fucking sick of his baby steps in the face of this necessity-driven urgent global situation we have been in since he took office. We are not in normal times. He is “not frightening the horses” but he doesn’t seem to realise you can both respond to the crisis with force and alacrity while at the same time also not frighten the horses. This is a huge failing and since he’s bright enough to know it I’m currently putting it down to Key’s immense ego over-riding his sense of the gravitas and responsibility and discharge of trust which his high office bestows upon indeed requires of, he.
I was rather disappointed in the last occupants discharge of this so I’m hoping for better this time…
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Quite right right reid if he had the balls he would have told us the way it was and got the coal mining under way and given us all a clear view of what other natural assets were up for sale.
Once we had got over our pathetic eco tremors and counted the cash it would all be sweet.
It would also have tended to shaft the sad bastard Greenies. Which can only be regarded as a bonus!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Check out Petey’s party reid. It seems good to me!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Ahoy there Johnboy – did you ever receive your barbed wire?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
An Eastern newspaper correspondent had just arrived in an old Western town when he noticed a curious lack of women. Walking into the local saloon he asked a cocky shitkicker, ‘What do you fellas do around here for entertainment?’ ‘Ya mean women?’ asked the shitkicker. ‘We ain’t got none. ‘Round here folks shag sheep’. ‘That’s disgusting,’ cried the correspondent, ‘I’ve never heard of such moral degradation’.
However, after a few months, the correspondent’s rocks were beginning to ache and the sheep were looking more and more attractive. So he finally went out and found himself a comely sheep, brought her back to his room, shampooed her and then tied ribbons in her hair. After a bottle of champagne, he lured the sheep into his bedchamber and released his pent-up frustrations. Afterward, he escorted his four-legged lover to the saloon for a drink. As the correspondent and his wooly mate entered, a hush fell over the patrons and the anxious couple became the object of many stares. ‘You goddamn bunch of hypocrites!’ the reporter yelled. ‘You’ve been shagging sheep for years, but when I do it you look at me like I’m some sort of crazy pervert!’ One cowboy in the back of the crowd spoke up, ‘Yeah, but that’s the sheriff’s gal!’
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
MORAL DILEMMA
This test will only take one minute and only has one question, but it’s a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each line.
THE SITUATION:
You are in Kaitaia. There is chaos all around you caused by a cyclone, with severe flooding.. This is a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photo-journalist working for a major newspaper, and you’re caught in the middle of this epic disaster.
The situation is nearly hopeless. You’re trying to shoot career-making photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing into the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury.
THE TEST:
Suddenly, you see a man in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer… Somehow, the man looks familiar… You suddenly realize who it is. It’s Hone Harawera. You notice that the raging waters are about to take him under forever.
You have two options:
1. You can save his life; or
2. You can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the country’s most despised men!
THE QUESTION:
Here’s the question, and please give an honest answer…
Would you select high contrast colour film, or would you go with the classic simplicity of black and white ?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Elaycee
Very good!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Hone Harawira got out of the shower & was drying off when he looked in the mirror & noticed he was white from the neck up to the top of his head.
Vote:In sheer panic and fearing he was turning white and might have to give up pushing racism & get a job, he called his doctor & told him of his problem.
The doctor advised him to come to his office immediately. After an examination, the doctor mixed a concoction of brown liquid, gave it to Hone, & told him to drink it all.
Hone drank the concoction and replied, ‘That tasted like bull shit!’
The doctor replied, ‘It was. You were two litres short.’
June 25th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Answer: Nothings ever black and white!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
reid (7,639) Says:
June 25th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
It wasn’t a circus like some of the overseas ones.
What a shame. I wish we’d had one in Eastbourne. I might suggest it at the next community board meeting.
Now reid, you had better email Lindsay as one of your near neighbours and get her ok first.
Vote:These things matter.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10734481
June 25th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Thanks Johnboy.
Reid: Haven’t yet looked into it Johnboy.
That’s a bit slack. I’ve spent two years researching on Kiwiblog, often under severe duress (well, not really but they thought that’s what they were doing) and set up a party structure based on what many of you said you would like in an alternative party and you haven’t looked into it yet?
Maybe you just like complaining about not having and decent alternatives, day after day. I got sick of that after about eighteen months. Change starts to happen by doing something. Like clicking on my name.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Oh and I see the Magical Maori Fairy’s little helper Tinkabel still has plenty of money to give away despite our 400 million a week borrowing.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5193219/Govt-gives-4m-boost-to-Len-Lye-artistic-centre
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Unite Union spokesman Joe Caralan said earlier that about 40 people were planned to march from Galbraiths pub at the top of Symonds Street to the EMA offices in Khyber Pass Road.
“It’s going to be a loud and noisy picket and after all the speeches we’re going to pelt the building with 200 tampons,” says Mr Caralan.
Didn’t tell us if they were going to be used ones but with unite there’s always blood on the floor somewhere.
:rolleyes:
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
It’s interesting the Mana Party gained registration the day before the by-election. Funny coincidence.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
While I wait for the intelligent electorate of Te Tai Tokerau to re-elect John “Prick” Hatfield as its MP, has anyone got any decent SlutWalk pics? Or are they all fat, ugly leftards in corsets and miniskirts?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
http://electionresults.govt.nz/electorate-68.html
Harawira leads by 200 votes through 21.6%
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
130 at 41%. Suspect that the larger urban booths will favour Davis,
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Oh God it’s so close.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
I have not cheered for labour this much since 1987.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
The majority is getting disturbingly wider.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
The number of polling places is misleading – there will be fewer much bigger polling places adding to the count late.
73.9% of polling places now but that’s only 40% of the 2008 vote (19,400).
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
80% counted, 423 majority for Johnny.
Son, I am disappoint.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Who is going to lick his arse? Does National want a racist to make the numbers?
Vote:You tell me Mr Key
June 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
86.3% of polling places, but only 50% of the 2008 vote. Each increment at the moment is still only small polling places.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Hurf Durf: “Or are they all fat, ugly leftards in corsets and miniskirts?”
So you saw them on TV after all?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10734481
This is excellent. The fools and the idiots are diverted and have sunk to tampon throwing to make their point, whatever it is. Nice move, Matt. Like a weasel’s tail tied to a fox attached to a very clever bloodhound…
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:08 pm
I like how the Herald never even bothered to spell Carolan’s surname correctly. I’d love to see his bug eyes after reading that.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Think Hone has this, 715 majority with 93% counted. Damn. His message this week about Kelvin Davis being in Parliament regardless was a good one, motivated his voters to get out and vote.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Hone looks like he will win. I think at the election there would be more Labour voters though with most of the Mana Party party supporters probably voting today. This victory is irrelevant if his career is ended in 6 months time.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
“Unite Union spokesman Joe Caralan said earlier that about 40 people were planned to march from Galbraiths pub at the top of Symonds Street to the EMA offices in Khyber Pass Road.”
Maybe whilst they are gathering they could have a whip around and try and pay off some of the money they owe the rest of the country/taxpayers.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Still only 55% of the 2008 vote counted – either there’s a very low turnout or some very big electorates still being counted.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
On the bright side, Tipene’s lurched over the 1,000 mark.
By-elections usually have greatly lower turnouts than usual, don’t they PG?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Usually, but there has been more interest than usual in this one. Davis has pulled back quite a bit of Harawira’s majority but Labour’s efforts lately may have held him back, and kept a few voters at home.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
A blind man enters a Lesbian Bar by mistake. He finds his way to a bar stool and orders a drink.
After sitting there for a while, he yells to the bartender, “Hey, you wanna hear a blonde joke?”
The bar immediately falls absolutely quiet. In a deep, husky voice, the woman next to him says,
“Before you tell that joke, sir, I think it is just fair – given that you are blind – that you should know five things:
1. The bartender is a blonde girl.
2. The bouncer is a blonde girl.
3. I’m a 6 foot tall, 220 lb blonde woman with a black belt in karate.
4. The woman sitting next to me is blonde and is a professional weight lifter
5. The lady to your right is a blonde and is a professional wrestler.
So think about it seriously, Mister. Do you still wanna tell that joke?”
The blind man thinks for a second, shakes his head, and declares,
“Nah. Not if I’m gonna have to explain it five times.”
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Ha ha, Steve – very good.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
My wife was going on a Pacific Cruise. In her luggage I saw 3 packets of condoms. How dumb is that? She doesn’t even have a dick
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Hone won’t win, and he’ll blame the chads.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
How will Labour spin the result, can’t even beat a Racist Sexist Politician?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
If only Brian Edwards exposed the proggy liar that is John Hatfield today that he did with the proggy liars at Campbell Live. Two birds in one day.
This last polling place is taking its sweet time. Sometime before midnight would be nice.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Bradford in the thick of protest. Who wodda thunk it?
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=199279
A Bradford is a horizontaly opposed piston engine with no pump. Wheels fell off quite often. Big big start button, but 6V so flat as a pancake. Headlights usually dim. Indicators? no way
Lovely drinks just got taken away …. no no come back
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Hone Harawira wins Te Tai Tokerau by-election, slashes margin
Vote:TRACY WATKINS AND KATE CHAPMAN
June 25th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Turnout – 36.2%
Turnout in 2008 – 60%
The don’t care and none brigades are clear winners.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Actually a good result. One less majority for the left and one more MP for Key to have to satisfy or not. Maori Party less one takes some of their give me, give me, grunt away.
As you would have seen in an earlier post the Maori Fairy God Mother still has money to give away.
Tinkerbell dished out $4 million today to an arts centre in New Plymouth. Nats. must be keen to win there.
[DPF: 20 demerits]
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Elaycee: No sign of the wire yet. She must be too busy being a movie star.
Bloody amazing really, how can anyone be as big a prick as Penny and still be unable to deliver barbed wire on schedule?
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5193349/Hone-Harawira-wins-Te-Tai-Tokerau-by-election-slashes-margin
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Once again Goofy see’s victory in defeat.
Labour leader Phil Goff is delighted with the result, saying “Hone Harawira went out to cream this seat. That is what he thought he would do … this is now the most marginal Maori seat.”
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
867? Wow, that jumped in the end.
Still, only 867 majority. Certainly destroyable over the next five months. And it makes Martyn “Idiot” Bradbury’s crying that the result wouldn’t be nick and neck look delightfully quaint.
Credit should also go to Mr Hatfield for getting less than 50% in a by-election.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
“The don’t care and none brigades are clear winners.”
Only until November Pete when YourNZ will trounce them!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Radio Live the other day, Hone online and callers ringing in. A caller said she ‘could not vote for Hone or the Mana Party because the Mana Party was a racist party’ She would therefore vote Labour in the te Tai Tokerau Electorate.
Vote:The fucking stupid woman did not realise that she was voting in a seat that is one of seven Maori Seats that are RACE based
June 25th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
The really fuckin amazing thing Steve is that Harawira = 5372. Davis = 4582. Soloman = 1003. Total = 10957.
Why do we persist with giving these useless arse’s a seat in parliament on that basis.
It’s the bloody same every election. One can only assume that the Murri don’t value democracy. I suggest we bring back the old culture where last man standing gets to be chief.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Every man when using a stud-finder before drilling a hole for a picture hook, is required to hold the device against his own body and when the bulb lights up say: ”Pretty accurate, eh?”
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
What you drinking V2?
I want some!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
#Johnboy
Polling Places 2011: 134
Polling Places 2008: 342
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Ah that explains it cha.
Too far to drag their drunken, drug riddled corpse’s from the poker machines to the nearest polling place.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Johnboy,
Take away the racist Maori Electorates and they will still have representation as long as they campain.
Makes it fair for all don’t it?
Cha,
Vote:Polling places is less? It is not a General Election. Those who really want to vote in a by-election should get off thier lazy fat arses and do so. Do you expect a proxy vote from lazy people?
June 25th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
woooo, jackpot!!!
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
And I digress:
Sperm Education – A new twist on an old joke
The newly born sperm was receiving instructions in conception from the instructor.
“As soon as you hear the siren, run for the tunnel and swim in a straight line until you get to the entrance of a damp cavern. At the end of the cavern you will find a red, sticky ball which is the egg.
Address it and say, “I’m a Sperm.” She will answer, I’m the Egg.” From that moment on you will work together to create the embryo. Do you understand?”
The sperm nodded affirmatively and the instructor said, “Then, good luck!”
Two days later, the sperm is taking a nap when he hears the siren. He wakes up immediately and runs to the tunnel.
A multitude of sperm swim behind him. He knows he has to arrive first. When he nears the entrance to the cavern, he looks back and sees that he is far ahead of the other sperm.
He is able to swim at a slower pace but does approach
the red, sticky ball.
When, at last, he reaches the red, sticky ball, he smiles and says, “Hi, I’m a sperm.”
The red sticky ball smiles and says, “Hi. I’m a tonsil.”
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
That God for that. I that the red sticky ball was going to be a Labour MP’s hemorrhoid.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I know its late, but apropos of “slut walks”…
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Should have been:
Thank God for that. I thought that the red sticky ball was going to be a Labour MP’s hemorrhoid.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
It’s never too late for something like that Rex.
Vote:June 25th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Two aftershocks hit Canterbury
Last updated 00:24 25/06/2011
Canterbury was shaken by two aftershocks tonight.
The first, 4.0-magnitude quake struck at 9.30pm, 20km north of Akaroa at a depth of 2km.
It was felt in Canterbury, GNS Science reported.
The second, measuring 3.6, struck at 11.22pm. It was located 10km southwest of Christchurch at a depth of 6km and would also have been felt in Canterbury.
– NZPA
Vote:June 26th, 2011 at 3:42 am
Kelvin Davis and Labour lost Te Tai Tokerau versus one man and his people. Harawira was up against a respected MP, a large party, substantial party resources and some heavy guns in the campaign. And won.
It’s worth asking the question - what’s wrong with Kelvin Davis?
Vote: