Will Goff now call Len Brown a liar?
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:00 am by David FarrarThe Herald reports:
At last year’s local body elections, he promoted Manukau’s policy of a fixed charge for wastewater, saying adopting the Auckland City system of user pays would lead to increases of $1000 a year for some households.
Mr Brown has not modelled Manukau’s wastewater system of a fixed charge for households and a fixed plus metered charge for business.
Instead, he is proposing part-fixed and part-metered charges for households and businesses.
Yesterday, Mr Brown said he believed during the election campaign that the fixed charge was the fairer way to go, but now as mayor for all of Auckland it had become evident to him that a part-fixed, part-user charge was the fairest system.
To be consistent, I now expect Phil Goff to denounce Len Brown as a liar.
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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:13 am
In case Goff is reluctant, I’m happy to do it.
Len Brown, you’re a liar!
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:16 am
Doubt it.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:25 am
OK, so as soon as Goff calls himself a liar for increasing the age of retirement when he said he wouldn’t hell be dealing with Len. However he’ll have weeks of talking to do about Winston just before he tells us how he will form a coalition with him if he can.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:27 am
Len can always use the “We live in a dynamic world” defence
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:32 am
Richard29
Yes he could do that, and be denigrated by Goff for it. That is once Goff has finished denigrating himself and telling us how he himself can’t be trusted according to his own standards for others.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:33 am
Do you have the quote from Len Brown during the campaign for us to assess whether it is as clear-cut as the John Key one?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:33 am
How about reducing the costs of providing water and wastewater services by ‘cutting out the contractors’ and bringing back an Auckland Council ‘Works Department’ for operation and maintenance?
How about giving incentives to harvest rain water, and recycle grey water, given that it is estimated that roughly two thirds of water used by households does not have to be drinking quality water?
How about charging for water and wastewater services based on a proportion of property-based rates, in order to spread the cost of water and wastewater services, which are vital for public health and sanitation, and a basic human right essential to life itself, more equitably across the community on the basis of ‘ability to pay’?
Penny Bright
Vote:Independent Candidate for Epsom.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:48 am
Irrespective of what Goff thinks its good to see that Len can learn from his mistakes. When he was running he probably succumbed to the hysterical left wing nonsense about water metering being evil. Now that he has proper policy advisors and has to make decisions that will have actual consequences, he has come around to the more sensible view.
Well done Len.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 am
Liar or not, the only fair way to charge for waste water disposal would be in proportion to the *total* cost of processing that waste. It thereby provides the appropriate incentive for users to minimize waste water production.
Seems so simple.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:53 am
Effectively the same as ‘When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?’ – John Maynard Keynes
Vote:Will Goff be calling Keynes a liar and thereby undermining the whole basis of the socialism and Labours’ economic policies?
No, thought not
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:58 am
emmess
It’s different when Labour do it. Have you not been able to keep up with the courageous corruption and how it’s a good thing when the red team do it… Oh dear – reeducation for you my friend !
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:59 am
Scott Chris
Of course it’s a good idea to adjust when the situation changes – now explain that to Goff for us all – thanks.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:59 am
Len Brown raising the bar for title of Auckland’s worst mayor, day by day.
Of course the only sensible basis for water and waste water charging is on the basis of actual usage, anything else is just stupid subsidization stimulating waste.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 am
@WW
“How about charging for water and wastewater services based on a proportion of property-based rates, in order to spread the cost of water and wastewater services, which are vital for public health and sanitation, and a basic human right essential to life itself, more equitably across the community on the basis of ‘ability to pay’?”
NO, no, no, no…!
Got it?
Pay for what you use.
Vote:A good incentive to use it sparingly .
Property-based rates are the most stupid and unfair way of paying for ‘services’ there is.
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:32 am
@KiwiGreg
Shouldn’t that be ‘lowering the bar’?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 11:44 am
@ lance. Nope. While Chris Fletcher and Hubbard set a certain level of ineptitude required to hold the title Looney Len has significantly increased the threshold.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 11:48 am
seems as well as being a bunch of lying leftards, they don’t like the truth and therefore will not allow any positive posts on National Party
if you will indulge me here is what I wanted to say at Red Alert – obviously they can’t handle the truth – (in rebuttal to their lies)
I do not think it is a co-incidence the both Labour and Liar (and lice) start with the letter L.
Monty says:
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November 2, 2011 at 9:21 am
Trev, NZ has come through a massive global recession, the 2008 PREFU noted a decade of deficits, and of course there have been the earthquakes, and even the mining disaster has had an impact on economic growth. But in spite of all that National has delivered, as much as you hate to admit it.
The economy has grown in eight of the nine quarters since Nationals first Budget was delivered, despite the earthquakes and the lingering impact of the global recession.
Interest rates have fallen to 45 year lows.
Households this year will have a positive savings rate for the first time in nearly a decade. (Mainly thanks to Kiwisaver and people tightening their belts)
Exporters have been getting very good prices for what they produce and NZ trade with Asia is booming.
In spite of what the Labour Party say, New Zealanders have benefited from this recovery.
43,000 jobs were created last year. – Not as many as we would like, and yes there is still high unemployment. But Jobs have been created from a slowly recovering economy.
Wages in the pocket have been rising faster than prices thanks to the tax cuts.
There is no magic bullet Trev, but I think NZers understand that the road to recovery is difficult and that is why the majority are pleased that the Nats are at the helm.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 12:31 pm
To be consistent, I now expect Phil Goff to denounce Len Brown as a liar.
To be even more consistent, let’s organise a debate between the two on TV1 and deal with the issue there.
If you’re gonna call Goff out DPF, how about growing some balls and doing it to his face like Goff did to Key ?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Monty
That sort of reality is not acceptable. You need to write some lines; start with a 1,000 following my lead.
Labour know best what is good for NZ and it’s not reality – it’s nanny state social engineering and high taxes.
Labour know best what is good for NZ and it’s not reality – it’s nanny state social engineering and high taxes.
Labour know best what is good for NZ and it’s not reality – it’s nanny state social engineering and high taxes.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Black with a Vengence
Goff will be far to busy muttering and stammering about the fact his election promises haven’t been costed to answer. He will fire a few shots that make good sound bites though – lets hope Key feels sorry for the incompetent fool like he did for Cullan and gives him a job in an SOE that is shrinking – just like the economy under Labour.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Loopy Len is a person of many ‘contradictions’…
This from him last week.
“Aucklanders are being offered possible free entry to the council’s 24 swimming pools at a cost to ratepayers of $5.5 million a year.”
Either Len doesn’t know the meaning of free or Len uses the Newspeak definition.
Vote:“It is free when other people pay for it.”
November 2nd, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Goff will be far to busy muttering and stammering about the fact his election promises haven’t been costed to answer.
and you know this because Key said so ?…but
JOHN KEY IS A LIAR…He cannot be trusted
erego..you don’t know shit, just echoing babylon-line
hope that works out for ya in the long run.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Oh, is this election going to be all about trust again? That worked so well for the Lying Bores last time, I can’t wait to see the trouncing they’ll get this time. I think even Wellington Central and Rongotai could turn blue this time.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Oh, is this election going to be all about trust again?
Nah…i think this election is going to be more about faith. National supporters remind me of creationists vs Labour’s evolutionists.
John Key is the son of god, don’t you know ? The way and the truth and the life !!!
Believe in him and ye shall enter the land of milk and honey.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 1:25 pm
I guess that makes as much sense as anything else LiarBore use in their campaigning. Clearly you’re the brains of Goff’s campaign team.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Seriously though RN, isn’t that Key’s message…have faith ?
Dude’s got no plan, no policies worth shit, and is asking us all to have faith in treasuries predictions like some old testament prophet ?
Man just wants us to just have blind faith in some brighter future he’s supposed to be building !
Trying to be all Jesus with the job creation like splitting off the loaves and fish only there’s no loaf or fish to start with…
Guy’s a charlatan and it’s just a bloody shame more average NZers can’t see it.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 1:37 pm
You want me to take you seriously?
Thanks for the laugh.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Meanwhile, it appears that the PM is making more shit up. Should we be surprised?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/5894154/Prime-Minister-misled-public-over-health-cuts
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 2:21 pm
> Guy’s a charlatan and it’s just a bloody shame more average NZers can’t see it…
They’ll get it eventually but for some people it takes a while for the penny to drop.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm
> Do you have the quote from Len Brown during the campaign for us to assess whether it is as clear-cut as the John Key one?
Hmmm, I didn’t realise Len was campaigning for the upcoming election….which electorate is he standing in, or is he on a party list?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 2:27 pm
ross, the article finishes with
Can you prove Ryall is wrong?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 2:30 pm
@Black with V
I would quit the whacky backy, you appear to be one toke over the line
“National supporters remind me of creationists vs Labour’s evolutionists.”
That includes economics right?
Tax more and the jobs will flow…. you would have to be fucked in the head to believe that
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 2:33 pm
This election is about trust… Trust Labour to be so bloody stupid as to think the same policies that repeatedly fail won’t fail again. Spend more (without borrowing more), tax more (without stunting growth)…
Oh that’s right, Cullen told us the books were in great shape and it only took 1 month of National for there to be a decade of deficits forecast…. Gosh… It’s about trust… only a fool would trust an ideologically blind muppet.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 3:49 pm
You want me to take you seriously?
Thanks for the laugh.
I want you to stop taking Key so seriously. The guy’s a joke and so are you for kissing his arse.
Tax more and the jobs will flow…. you would have to be fucked in the head to believe that
tax cut and believe the increased take home pay to the top earners will go into job creation. So how’s that working out ?
Oh that’s right…it isn’t. It just created a billion dollar a year shortfall the dipshit has to borrow to cover for.
…and you’re gonna vote for more of that fucked in the head shit ? Good on ya mate !
Cullen told us the books were in great shape and it only took 1 month of National for there to be a decade of deficits forecast…. Gosh… It’s about trust…
This is the same treasury thats forecast 170 000 jobs over the next four years ? How the hell can you trust anything those dumbfucks predict when both parties forecast a surplus within 5 years of when that decade of deficits prediction was made ?
Like i said it’s not about trust. It’s about faith that your magic cure for our economic woes is smile and wave while blaming the other guy.
Thats just fucking weak bullshit from a habitual LIAR and you know it.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
ROFL. Take your meds pal, you might bust a gonad.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Not on meds, not your pal, but got a mean set of nads.
Unlike your man Key. I’m pretty sure when they gave him the snip they cut his off in the process.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Angry much? Once this election is over you can probably skip the bargaining stage and go straight to depression
Vote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model#Stages
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Rightnow
Vote:Classic logic. A local decision by a DHB, enriched by an additional $15m, to remove 4 beds from a single unit (without regard to other facilities provided elsewhere) is proof that there has been a decline in healthcuts nationwide. The guy is a fuckwit. It’s a bit like the Green’s position that the Rena grounding is proof positive that we are all about to die from radiation poisoning.
November 2nd, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Nah not angry and to be honest, the election result isn’t going to impact my life at all, not postively not negatively.
but when all’s said and done and the countries had it’s say, this will still be you…
https://7chan.org/tg/src/131378868918.jpg
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Black with a Vengeance says:- “Unlike your man Key. I’m pretty sure when they gave him the snip they cut his off in the process.”
Nah, Key’s alright. He’s got the speed wobbles so he needs to pull his head in, but he plays the same game as the rest of the baby kissers…. only better.
Show me a politician who is honest and straightforward and impartial and I’ll show you a guy who doesn’t get enough votes.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Labour and Goff always tell the truth.
(Another Tui billboard …….?)
Labour leader Phil Goff said his party wasn’t prepared to increase the age or reduce the payment but was critical of the Government’s approach.
“The Government has stopped investing in the Cullen superannuation fund. That was $2 billion a year that was being set aside, they haven’t replaced that. They’ve got no plan that will allow revenue to meet the cost of superannuation 10-20 years out.”
Labour was not considering raising the retirement age.
“We think that we can avoid that alternative through the mechanisms that we’ve put in place in the past, that the Government has stopped funding, which is the Cullen Fund, and through a policy that’s not a one-off sale of state assets but one that will raise tax revenue on an ongoing basis.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10738023
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Other Andy,
You failed to continue quoting Goff where he said:
“You can never say never, but what I’m saying is there are sensible things we should be doing now that would help us meet those costs.”
Notice that Goff qualified his comment, something Key didn’t do re GST. Key was unequivocal that GST would not rise. Furthermore, Goff didn’t say prior to the last election he was going to X and then renege on that promise. Quite a significant difference I would’ve thought. Politicians are certainly entitled to change their positions, but they’re not entitled to lie. Key has a history of telling lies.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:20 pm
Mr Goff said
“You can never say never, but what I’m saying is…
“We think that we can avoid that alternative…
From that article you linked to, it’s more the journo making Goff out to say things he didn’t and thinking he could avoid the unavoidable.
It’s a far cry from Key making an election promise not to raise GST then LYING about it when he did get elected or claiming Standard and Poors said something they didn’t in parliament.
Simple truth…
JOHN KEY IS A LIAR AND CAN’T BE TRUSTED TO REPORT THE TRUTH ON ANY MATTER
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
> Can you prove Ryall is wrong?
Did you read the article? It doesn’t seem so.
“Midway through last year, MidCentral District Health Board made the decision to cut Palmerston North Hospital’s under-65s rehabilitation unit from a 12-bed to an eight-bed unit – one of many cuts to rehabilitation services throughout the region after being told by the Health Ministry to cut $10 million of spending from its budget.”
What part of that is difficult to follow? Just to repeat: the Health ministry advised MidCentral District Health Board to cut $10 million from its budget. If Ryall disagrees, it would be up to him to prove otherwise.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:25 pm
“It’s a far cry from Key making an election promise not to raise GST then LYING about it when he did get elected…”
Of course it is a far cry but remember you’re dealing with right wing nutbars who think the sun shines out of the PM’s arse. If he told them to jump off a cliff, I suspect they would.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 pm
I did know Len brown was a factor in this election. Why would Goff be debating anything with Len Brown. Ludicrous topic and well below your usual standard DPF.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:33 pm
ross, where’s YOUR proof?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RN, what part of the article didn’t you understand? Are you saying the doctor has lied and that Palmerston North Hospital’s under-65s rehabilitation unit has not gone from a 12-bed to an eight-bed unit?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Black
JOHN KEY IS A LIAR AND CAN’T BE TRUSTED TO REPORT THE TRUTH ON ANY MATTER………………….
Duh, the PM has his utterances and things he doesn’t utter reported by ‘reporters’ , the PM does not report. Please if you are going to turn this post into a trollathon be accurate or show some understanding on how things operate in the world of grown ups.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Oh and before you respond, RN, please read this report from MidCentral DHB, which discusses the reduction at Palmerston North Hospital’s under-65s rehabilitation unit from 12 beds to 8, due to budget contraints.
John Key lied in the leaders debate the other night about there being no cuts to front line health services. Tony Ryall has come to the aid of his leader. In the process it is clear that Ryall cannot be trusted either.
http://www.midcentraldhb.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/53BA25C1-F699-4658-BECB-3A76335C0DED/0/Under65RehabilitationServiceReviewagendaitem77.pdf
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:05 pm
@ross
I don’t make any excuses for John Key.
Your excuse for Phil Goff’s slippery statement would make a lawyer proud.
His statement shows is that he talks like a shifty ‘professional’ politician and will cover his butt. Anything he says can later be explained, depending on the audience and the circumstances, to mean yes or no.
So much for clarity…..
Didn’t Phil also say that Labour would never mine on conservation land?
Or would you excuse this fib (Paparoa National Park!) because they only approved the digging of the (Inadequate) emergency escape shafts on conservation land?
What actually really irks me is that Goff tried to use the Pike River tragedy to discredit Key while the mine was approved under Labour and the emergency escape shafts were inadequate because of the restrictions Labour placed on the design of them.
And how would you explain his statement that he never had a SIS briefing on the Israeli ‘spy’ story clearly ignoring all the proof on the contrary?
Vote:Memory loss?
November 2nd, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Duh, the PM has his utterances and things he doesn’t utter reported by ‘reporters’ , the PM does not report.
How about speaking like a grown up there champ ?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Black
I was encouraging you to do the same after reading the above……….Thats just fucking weak bullshit from a habitual LIAR and you know it………..which is an applalling sentence and not true.
Like I said, if you must troll be accurate, the PM is not a reporter.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
You know what, Labour made liars of the 1990 National govt as well. They had to abandon some election manifesto shit because the undisclosed BNZ situation snookered them. Just like this time… Wow, so who’s the party to be trusted, the one that was forced to go back on an election promise or the one that forced their hand to do that.
You know what, the lie is one thing, denying it is another entirely. I laughed my head off when in 2002 Clark claimed all 1999 election promises had been kept. Dim-bulp partisans supported her, and argued that only the top 5% were paying the top tax rate – in 2002. They argued that ‘nobody earning under $60K had had a tax increase when they had (*1), But still – keep it up guys, keep cheering for the tired worn out followers of a failed ideology. An attractive and easily sellable ideology, I’ll give you that, but it’s still a failure.
(*1) In 2001 the income attribution laws were passed which included lifting the minor beneficiary rate from trusts to 33%. It was later amended to allow the first $1,000 to be at the individuals nominal rate. That was challenged in court over ‘is that $1,000 from all trusts or $1,000 from each trust’ that the minor beneficiary receives income from. You can imagine the contortions and working of angles that created. Still, that was to be expected when Labour ignored the advice that a top personal tax rate a long way from the company or trust rate would cause distortions and complicate the tax system thereby increasing compliance costs and diverting labour away from productive activity. But they knew best, Treasury was inclined to ideological burps and the Labour party ideology knew better.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm
> I don’t make any excuses for John Key.
So is that an admission that Key has lied? It is not clear from your response.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:28 pm
@Pauleastbay
“I was encouraging you to do the same after reading the above……….That’s just fucking weak bullshit from a habitual LIAR and you know it………..which is an appalling sentence and not true.”
As for somebody calling somebody else a liar….
“John key is a liar and can’t be trusted to report the truth on any matter………………….”
Oh the irony…
Vote:Completely missed by BWAV.
November 2nd, 2011 at 7:31 pm
BTW, the last ruling I saw was that $1,000 from each trust is taxed at the individuals nominal rate. Thereby somebody with enough incentive could establish multiple trusts and distribute income to minors at their own rate to bypass the intention of Labour law. The risk of that was deemed to be low… I wonder how many did that…
Still nasty old Labour, if you were a god parent and you had a trust which distributed money to a minor in your care then only the first $1,000 was taxed @ 19,5% – the rest at 33%. Bastards.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Black with a Vengeance
To be honest, I don’t actually care personally what flavour we have. Red or Blue actually makes piss all difference to me. I pay my taxes, I work my hours and I contribute well above average to the social spending in NZ.
You see this is the problem Black with a Vengeance, if we want to have enough money to provide [flip-flop de-jour ideology] social services then we need the cash to do it. Tell me the last Labour govt that didn’t get rolled from office with the country in recession?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:45 pm
@ross
“So is that an admission that Key has lied? It is not clear from your response.”
It is pretty clear ross.
Vote:The reason why it is not clear from my response is because it isn’t in my response.
I have not seen Key’s statement on GST so I can’t comment on it.
I am saying that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
Phil should not be calling other people liars.
It works both ways.
Liars calling other people liars……
November 2nd, 2011 at 7:47 pm
ross, did you read the report you linked to?
The DHB was contracted by MOH and ACC to provide for 8 beds. The DHB funded the additional 4 themselves, but decided to axe that due ‘rising cost structures within the hospital division’. It says nothing to contradict Ryall’s statement that they received increased funding.
And I’m not calling anyone a liar, but at least two people, you and de Groot, haven’t checked your facts out properly before rushing to judgement.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
ross
He didn’t lie, he went back on his word. Very different. Now let me do some googling to find out what Bolger had to go back on after the Labour party said the books were in great shape and the economy was rooted. Pattern here guys. who lies and who’s forced to go back on their word and be taunted about it by the liars…. Fuck I hate two party partisan hacks who can’t look at the shit their own team get up to.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:50 pm
Citing Key:
So Key wasn’t lying but by raising GST he was admitting that National hadn’t done a half decent job as a government at growing our economy
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Other_Andy, it’s more fun when they don’t get it.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:53 pm
ross
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bolger
Look at that, nice and easy!
Oh, bet he was called a liar by the people who lied about the state of the economy…. how partisan are you?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
joe90
Yes yes, thats right. Key wanted two decades of debt because Labour’s one decade was the economy in great shape.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
burt
Or he could’ve run with the status quo and admitted that shrinking revenues made tax cuts at any level unaffordable.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
ross
If you go back and watch Labour’s opening address after refreshing on the 1990 history then you can judge for yourself which party is full of shit.
http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/party-leaders-give-opening-addresses-4488003
Things going smashingly, nasty National slash welfare with the black budget, cuts and borrowing…. umm same pattern.
A lie of omission is still a lie ross.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
joe 90
As I said, he would have wanted to have two decades of debt to do that. The economy was stalled before the global economic crisis – how would status quo fix that joe90 ?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
joe90
See if you can see a healthy economy in 2008 (as Cullen said it was) in this graph.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Ross
The outrage relates to the statement made by Mr Key in a televised leaders debate that only administrative jobs had been cut from the public health service. To prove this “lie” you rely on 4 beds in a 12 bed unit in one district. The DHB report indicates that the unit over-services and duplicates. This means that the service was not required. There is no mention of redeployment of the medical staff. It is likely that they remain in the health sector. So, we have a unit which the DHP has funded at a level in excess of requirements, which, it acknowledges, exceeds requirements and because it duplicates services provided elsewhere is unecessary. And you rely on that to show that Key lied? You have no credibility. You are a troll with no redeeming features. Creep back to the swamp.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
burt
Sure, the graph shows that in 2008 we were on our way down the plug hole alongside the rest of the world and despite the all the years you’ve spent expressing your antipathy toward Cullen it’s likely that be it Cullen or English the modest recovery would have been made.
My beef is that because of their fixed income, and in particular the savings that they use to supplement their income, the rise in GST has hit my superannuitant parents hard yet I hardly notice the rise.
And, being partisan, of course I’m going to us their failure at doing a half decent job as a government at growing our economy as a stick to poke National.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Nookin
I’ll take it that you haven’t got elderly parents who’ve been interviewed over the phone and then had had their home help cut in half.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
joe90
or
or perhaps you are saying you think tax rates and thresholds make no difference to the performance of the economy? If that were true tax rates would be 99.99%. Would you work for 1% of your income, would you feel very uncomfortable paying only 1% tax, would you be happy paying 0% – where are you joe90?
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
joe90
I agree actually. To not have done it we would have needed to borrow more. Ummm, I’ll ponder that a brief while.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
joe90
I have the same scenario, joe90. I’m not going to pretend otherwise. The problem is further complicated by the fact that people of superannuitant age now payed taxes for years and years under a cradle to the grave promise from socialist government. Which, as we see today is (and always was) unsustainable. This brings us back to what I have been saying all thread. It didn’t work, don’t try it again.
Goff actually doubles the pain when you consider that if this Professor of demographics is correct the shift is too late to have the effect he claims it will have.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
joe90
Like I said, “I’m not going to pretend otherwise. ”
Do you know what I did about it. Because it didn’t negatively impact me I put $100/month through to their account. I pays for the phone and broadband plus what ever needs the little extra that month. That’s my money, for my family. I’m not asking everyone else who earns more than me to pay for it.
Vote:November 2nd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Joe90
Vote:Not the point Joe. The point is that you cannot take an isolated incident and construct an all embracing argument on the basis of that one incident – especially when the facts don’t support the thesis.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
burt.
There’s five of us kids and all doing pretty damn well so no one goes without but honestly, slipping cash to the olds is like trying to worm a cat. After a fight you finally get the fucking pill down but sure enough, three days later you’ll find it coughed up in a corner.
So we shuffle them up and down the country a couple of times a year but like I’ve said, when they’ve gone a lazy ton will turn up in the sock drawer.
I suppose being born into a depression and being teens through the war years and all that makes for hardy people.
Vote:November 3rd, 2011 at 7:51 am
Black with a Vengeance :
The Books were not in good order when the National Party took over. They have you believing it, but that is not true.
Vote:Prior to Helen Clarke leaving the sinking ship, the Labour Government then went out and spent billions. Show us where it says the books were in a surplus.
November 3rd, 2011 at 7:58 am
sparky
Goff said in the first head to head debate that the books were in surplus in 2008. A trick of the pen perhaps or just the same old lies Labour told in 1990. Remember the Fiscal Responsibility Act that was past into law 1994 as a result of the total deceit from Labour prior to the 1990 election. – like we see again. Yes the dim-bulb partisan hacks like Black with a Vengeance believe them – stunning they can be so stupid as to believe the same old crap from Labour.
Bolger would have been called a liar for being forced to go back on his word due to Labour’s deceit as well…. the lefties can’t learn that socialism fails so what chance have they got of recognising that socialist leaders rely on deceit to stay in power.
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