Maggie Barry standing orders
July 27th, 2012 at 9:00 am by David FarrarAfter Maggie Barry suggested during the paid parental debate that Labour MPs without children aren’t that well qualified to talk on the issue of paid parental leave, Twitter had a hash tag of #maggiebarrystandingorders. Pete George has some of the better ones:
- Happy birthday
@jacindaardern! Although it’s not MY birthday so I really shouldn’t comment… - only Maggie Barry may cite
#maggiebarrystandingorders in the house - You can only talk about asset sales if you have three TradeMe stars or more.
- Maggie Barry seems quite happy to talk about euthanasia. Maybe it’s a cry for help
- Only MPs named Sarah can talk about CERA
- MPs wanting to talk about taser will have to have been tased.
- Maggie, I have 2 children so can talk about Paid Parental Leave twice as much.
- No more references to Willie Apiata by MPs who haven’t rescued comrades under enemy fire
- We can’t talk about
#maggiebarrystandingorders because we’re not Maggie Barry - MPs wanting to talk about taser will have to have been tased.
- You can’t make decisions about New Zealand unless you’ve never left the country.
- No-one in National or ACT can talk about public transport
- Under
#maggiebarrystandingorders only Peter Dunne can speak on planking. @DavidClarkNZ must be on the minimum wage to put forward a minimum wage bill- Louisa Wall must get married wage to put forward a marriage bill
All quite funny. I would point out though that I am a regular public transport user, unlike a certain former Green MP who didn’t even have a snapper card despite decades of going on about the importance of public transport in Wellington!
July 27th, 2012 at 9:28 am
If you’ve never been elected you can’t be an MP. Oh wait…the List.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 9:28 am
If you’re Stephen you can’t be Joyce.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Under this logic at least all of Labour and the Greens are qualified to talk about ladies reproductive parts. Because they are all c***s
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Given I have no convictions, I guess that rules me out making comment about David Bain then….
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 9:42 am
In defence of Maggie Barry, some of the most inane parenting advice I have ever received has come from my childless, younger sister. Childless women without experience in looking after children tend to have the least idea when it comes to children. Some sort of Murphy’s Law at work there or something.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 9:45 am
No atheist may comment about religion on Kiwiblog.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Not really relevant. Jacinda didn’t give Maggie any parenting advice.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
No atheist may comment about religion on Kiwiblog.
Many atheists once were religious. How many religious commenters once were atheists?
(According to mikenmild I shouldn’t have said that).
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
No atheist may comment about religion on Kiwiblog.
But Atheism can be considered a form of religion as the atheist believes there is no god..
However those agnostics can shut the fuck up.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Adern can theorize but that is all she can do. She has no experience. Anyone can theorize on anything but how much weight should be given too such theorizing??
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Hey at least this means no one in the Greens can talk about defence or foreign affairs or trade matters. But it makes them very qualified to talk about benefits, minimum wages (after all thats all they’ve ever been paid untill now), and weed.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
All up, it was a dumb comment by Adern (National does not care about children) and a dumb response. Sometimes, however, mothers go to hell and back for their kids and I have not seen that trait limited to one side of the political spectrum. Telling a mum that she doesn’t care about kids might well touch a raw nerve. She should have counted to ten first.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I think we should place great weight on Einstein’s theorizing. Also Newton, Planck, Hawking and many others.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Maggie Barry’s comment needs be put in context. The Labour promoters of the ML Bill had been haranguing the Nats with holier than thou assertions that the Govt. had no idea of the needs of young children, were heartless, etc. etc. No mention of course as to how the scheme was to be paid for.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So all those folk who wring their hands and twitter (crazy crap) over Maggie Barrie, are all upset because she had a swipe at the anorexic, professional socialist list MP, and her lack of children.
How then do they regard Cosgrove’s comments on Nuremberg?
Enter politics – get a thick hide. Otherwise, get a real job.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I’m liking Maggie more and more each day .. the twitters above are also very good
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
So if you have in your drawer an Oyster card, an Octopus card, a Go card (SE Queensland) and a Snapper card you are a public transport freak?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Well, flipper, it’s more about the stupidity of Maggie comments and less about an insult to Jacinda.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am
@Bevan
Atheism can not be considered a religion. Many atheists have moved away from the position “there is no god” because it’s stating a position for which there is no evidence, and hence is based on faith. Which is the exact opposite of what Atheist’s believe.
The more modern statement is “there is probably no god” or “there is almost certainly no god”.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Maggie is partially right.
Dime doesn’t have kids. I wouldnt try to come across as an authority on raising em!
Its like women who speak with authority on male circumcision.
Im please Jacinda is making fun of the comment. cause ya know its going to come back to bite her in the future. im sure whale has this all filed somewhere
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am
So just so I’m clear on the spin being used here: Maggie Barry is being re-invented as the National’s parties answer to Chuck Norris rather than the Bob Clarkson style foot-in-mouth character she really is?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Jacinda being asked about Maggies comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGlN6mluGA
Be gentle with the demerits DPF. you know im the soul of this blog
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I would have thought Jacinda would have more interest in Paid Parental Leave laws given that she may well take Parental Leave in the future whereas Maggie took her Parental Leave years ago so any law change is unlikely to ever affect her (barring an ‘accident’).
Also – the Nats argument that parental leave is unaffordable is bogus, especially given the choice to deliver a 2 bn program of tax cuts at the start of their first term. The policy is affordable within the existing fiscal cap – it’s a matter of choices, what will be cut to pay for it?
Vote:Labour need to explain where they will find the 150 million from and if they plan to borrow to pay for it. For the Greens it’s easy – they will say they’ll just cut spending from the 14 billion roadbuilding budget. Although that seems to be the answer to most spending challenges so they probably need to account for how many policies they are planning to pay for with the roading money and clarify that they understand the difference between capex and opex.
July 27th, 2012 at 11:24 am
@ Pete George 10:03am “…How many religious commenters once were atheists?”
Here are just a few to start your list: Malcolm Muggeridge, Evelyn Waugh, Cyril Joad, Avery Dulles, C.S. Lewis, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Fay Weldon, Marvin Olasky…
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I dont think Jacinda will have children. Certainly not when shes “working” full time. That would mean she would be abandoning her children… just ask the other labour MP’s.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
All very funny from the left but remember the old Chickenhawk insult the left always used to throw at ‘warmongers’ who had any sort of argument in favour of military action.
Vote:Massive hypocrisy? I think so.
July 27th, 2012 at 11:37 am
@SalParadise, Atheism is the rejection of dieties, not the rejection of religion.
The more modern statement is “there is probably no god” or “there is almost certainly no god”.
Bzzzt – you’re confusing atheists and agnostics as if they are one and the same, they are not.
“there is probably no god” = Agnostic. This person has no proof one way or the other of the existence of a god/deity therefore they believe it is not up to them to preach to others which is true. Hence the use of the word probably.
“there is almost certainly no god” = Atheist. This person has a religious like belief that there is no god, they need no proof of this is it is what they believe to be true.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:43 am
No MP is permitted to talk about Prostitution Reform unless they have sold out on their principles.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am
This is just politics but the comment will stick to Barry like a badge because the media know that most voters are fairly simple and require simplicity in politics.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Joe Bloggs
Don’t think you can include Malcolm Muggeridge in that list because as I recall, the timing of him seeing the light strongly suggests that he had adopted the death bed confession strategy.
Which reminds me, Reid, you didn’t respond to me, what are all the flaws in this grand strategy that I’ve also adopted? Aside of course from the prospect of being killed outright and without warning. I’ve tried to cover that base with my substantial chest and back (just in case) tatoos that testify to me repenting at the instant of my death. Is there anything else I need to worry about?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
To continue Joe Bloggs list of religious commentators were once atheists … me.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:59 am
joe bloggs – wow, I didn’t know any of them commented here. What pseudonyms do they use?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Is Johnboy the only person qualified to talk about sheep-breeding?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
@Bevan
I think you would find an agnostic would use the statement ” I don’t know if there is or is not a god, but I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about”.
The Atheist Bus Campaign used the slogan ” There’s probably no god, now stop worrying and enjoy your life” for a reason.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
On a similar theme, Clayton Cosgrove was reported yesterday as saying about his SOE Bill (75% majority required to overturn:
That must be ripe for lampooning too. What else does it mean if National won’t support his bill?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The opposition have nick named Maggie Barry Queen Maggie on account of her affected airs and snobbery, however a more appropriate moniker for her would be Auntie Maggie, one of those old trouts who get in your ear over just about anything not quite twee.
Vote:With regard to Jacinda there is no question that she is one of the most attractive woman in parliament but I’m sure Maggie will have a grizzle about that to.
July 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
There is no defence for Barry. She now has joined the f’wit club with Trevor Mallard and Andrew Little. Funnily enough I thought she was going to be a pretty solid MP and bring some class to the debating chamber but she is just another womble. Sad really.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I think you would find an agnostic would use the statement ” I don’t know if there is or is not a god, but I don’t spend a lot of time worrying about”.
Should have copyrighted my previous post, then I could have charge dyou royalties for that….
The Atheist Bus Campaign used the slogan ” There’s probably no god, now stop worrying and enjoy your life” for a reason.
WTF???? You saw a slogan on a bus, now you think that is the definition of Atheism? I once saw a slogan on a bus saying “Free Sex”, doesnt mean I can walk up to a hooker and demand a freebie!
That slogan was most likely written that way to not offend as many people as possible, not to provide a future definition of an atheist.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Maggie Barry doesn’t represent half of her constituents because she’s female. She really didn’t think her comment through. Given that her greatest claim to fame is pruning roses, should anyone be surprised?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Bevan – what’s your point?
I’m an Atheist, I don’t believe in any God, yours or any other made-up deity and it’s got nothing to do with any bus slogan or anything anyone else did or did not believe.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
“there are almost certainly no fairies” = Afairist. This person has a religious like belief that there are no fairies, they need no proof of this is it is what they believe to be true.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I agree with the ones above – given all the comments reported, it really raises an eyebrow that it’s Barry’s comment that it getting jumpted on. Some of the reported Labour comments were vile.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Bevan – what’s your point?
I’m an Atheist, I don’t believe in any God, yours or any other made-up deity and it’s got nothing to do with any bus slogan or anything anyone else did or did not believe.
YWD – maybe if you improved your reading comprehension you would have addressed your post at the appropriate person, in this case the person I was responding to. I think you will find that what you have stated is my point exactly.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
“there are almost certainly no fairies” = Afairist. This person has a religious like belief that there are no fairies, they need no proof of this is it is what they believe to be true.
The Labour party rainbow wing disproves you fairy denial.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
@Bevan
Sorry mate your starting to lose me a little bit.
“You saw a slogan on a bus, now you think that is the definition of Atheism? I once saw a slogan on a bus saying “Free Sex”, doesnt mean I can walk up to a hooker and demand a freebie!”
I’m not sure what you’re getting at there, I don’t see the comparison. One is a prominent atheist group making a statement, the other is you misinterpreting an ad?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
The opposition have nick named Maggie Barry Queen Maggie on account of her affected airs and snobbery,
Yea… that says a lot about the opposition, and nothing about Maggie Barry.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I’m not sure what you’re getting at there, I don’t see the comparison. One is a prominent atheist group making a statement, the other is you misinterpreting an ad?
I’m saying there that anyone can put a statement on a bus dude. They most likely decided on that particular statement as it is less likely to offend than something like ‘there is no god, anyone who thinks one exists is a moron’.
If a group wants to bring people to their cause, they are more likely to do so with gentler language and trying their best to not seem as extreme as they could be perceived if they said what they were really thinking. much like most political statements made during election campaigns.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Or maybe they decided on it because it is an appropriate statement of modern atheism. Most atheists I know don’t think there is a god, but as it’s one of those things that is hard to prove they add the qualifier “probably”.
Not that it is the responsibility of the atheist to prove that god doesn’t exist.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Or maybe they decided on it because it is an appropriate statement of modern atheism. Most atheists I know don’t think there is a god, but as it’s one of those things that is hard to prove they add the qualifier “probably”.
No, you’re just lower down the scale of atheism – kind of like a Christian who is too busy to go to church every Sunday. Plus, your evidence of you and your friends is kind of a limited sample to reach a conclusion don’t you think?
BTW, look a little up the page at YesWeDid’s comment he mistakenly directed at me: “I’m an Atheist, I don’t believe in any God, yours or any other made-up deity and it’s got nothing to do with any bus slogan or anything anyone else did or did not believe.” . He would be the benchmark atheist, you can identify this by his explicit statement “I don’t believe in god”. You and your friends on the other hand seem to be having a$2 a win, and a buck for place just in case – your sliding so far away from the explicit, you almost crossing over to agnostic territory.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
With regard to Jacinda there is no question that she is one of the most attractive woman in parliament…
Certainly one the most toothsome.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
I think you are mixing up the explicit Bevan.
“I don’t believe in God” is a personal statement/opinion I would expect all atheists to hold. The explicit is the statement “There is no God”. Which I believe most atheists, being creatures of logic and reason don’t make because they have no proof.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Which I believe most atheists, being creatures of logic and reason don’t make because they have no proof.
Then you are not an atheist, you are agnostic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic
“Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the difference between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief. In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively”
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
One you’re using wikipedia.
And two: “In the popular sense, an agnostic is someone who neither believes nor disbelieves in the existence of a deity or deities, whereas a theist and an atheist believe and disbelieve, respectively”
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
One, as opposed to the arse you are using?
Two, way to use selective quoting. You are missing a key qualifier for that statement you’ve selected, the belief of an agnostic is mainly because they cannot prove one way of the other. They want facts to be presented/found for them to arrive at the truth. You can alter that to basically be ‘don’t give a shit, but if proof comes up one way or the other then we’ll look into it”
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Bevan: but then there are agnostics like me…who hope the Christians are right, and it doesn’t actually all end at the Crem…
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
” ….there is no question that she is one of the most attractive woman in parliament…”
You’ll need this, then…
http://www.specsavers.co.nz/?gclid=CKHM3pWjubECFeNMpgodADIADg
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
I thought there was absolutely nothing wrong with what Maggie Barry said, and I am disgusted at the Quislings who want to mock her for it.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Big ups for Maggie Woop Woop. Her question highlighted something completely pertinent to the debate at hand. What the fuck does Jacinda Ardern know about parenting? How can she possibly have an opinion on the ideal length of PPL? It’s so bleeding obvious but we’ve all been brainwashed by immersion in the HC regime to swoon at such insinuations .
Vote:Of course Ardern has valid contributions to the debate based on the need of the group of mums of infants as opposed to the need of funds by other groups. She can weigh up independent data sure. But this is no substitute for personal experience.
It’s just a pity Maggie went up against a girl instead of a woman who might have provided some entertaining crossfire in the debate. My 2 dimes worth:
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/07/day-of-triffids-plants-vs-zombie.html
July 27th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Ha ha Monique – isn’t that the whole point of this joke: only those who are qualified may hold opinions. How the hell could Ardern know about parental leave if she’s never been a parent? How could Steven Joyce run the roading programme when he’s never built a road? How could Clayton Cosgrove campaign against asset sales when he’s never been an asset? etc, etc…
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
TV3 Campbell,even though the little twit himself wasn’t on tonight weighed in very heavily on the Ardern side,surprise surprise.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
lol
nice one.
Although they are about as close to being real fairies as your god is being real.
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
@Monique Watson
“Big ups for Maggie Woop Woop. Her question highlighted something completely pertinent to the debate at hand. What the fuck does Jacinda Ardern know about parenting?”
How about obeying your own rule?
If Jacinda stops pontificating about parenthood, about which she has no experience, will you stop making claims about reality, about which…. etc. ?
Vote:July 27th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Jacinda is attractive
I particularly liked – the debate on pedophilia gets awkward #maggybarrystandingorders
Vote:July 28th, 2012 at 3:31 am
Maggie’s onto something. Put it this way: Don’t listen to advice from people who don’t stand to pay any price for being wrong. The bad ideas of the left are a magnet to all kinds of elitist, know-nothing weirdos. For example: Listening to a woman compare man-woman relations to that between fishes and bicycles is enough to tell any rational individual with knowledge of how the human race perpetuates itself that this person is a rebellious nihilistic whacko with nothing to lose, the worst kind of person to take advice from… let alone model one’s entire life on.
Vote:July 28th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Monique
You might see better if you remove that eye patch. Maggie’s greatest claim to fame is as a gardener. What you’re saying is that she should stick to talking about gardening and keep her trap shut on other issues for which she has no experience or qualifications? That’s odd because I can distinctly recall many issues on which she has ponitificated for which she has no experience or qualifications…she really is an A grade hypocrite. You are allowed to criticise National MPs and still find your way to heaven.
Vote:July 29th, 2012 at 1:14 am
drivel farrar
Vote:July 29th, 2012 at 1:15 am
pc drivel farrar, time for a new career, this is a rag post
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