IS NZ Cricket really that bad?

December 8th, 2012 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

The Dom Post editorial:

New Zealand  has a talent for mimicry. Sadly it has chosen the wrong body to mimic. Instead of modelling itself on South Africa, India or another cricketing powerhouse, it has chosen the Party. For David Shearer read Ross Taylor; for David Cunliffe read Brendon McCullum, the defeated contender in a two-horse race for the captaincy last year.

I think NZ Cricket should sue for defamation!

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56 Responses to “IS NZ Cricket really that bad?”

  1. Keeping Stock (10,398 comments) says:

    No DPF; I think the Labour Party should sue for defamation. As much as I dislike Labour, its incompetence pales into insignificance alongside New Zealand Cricket.

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  2. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    No KS, Labour couldn’t sue for defamation as the truth is a complete defence.

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  3. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    I have immigrated, and believe that I should integrate into the community, retaining my values but supporting the local teams. So I cheer the All Blacks and the Black Caps, and jokingly suggest that there is a karmic balance between them; one does well and the other badly. The ABs lose to England; Ross Taylor aces a game.
    The only other theory that makes any sense is that NZ cricket has placed monies on the Black Caps not winning any matches, and that is too nasty to contemplate, so I’m sticking with the karmic balance.

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  4. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    IS NZ Cricket really that bad?

    Yes. And what a bunch of weasel words as they engaged reverse gear heading for cover.

    Might have to stock up on eggs before the return for SA. Most of the available stocks will likely be on Hesson’s face when he gets back, What a tool. Did he and White actually think they were convincing anyone?

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  5. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    “Instead of modelling itself on South Africa, India or another cricketing powerhouse, it has chosen the Labour Party”

    I’d have thought it was the other way around, the Labour party having modelled itself on NZC?

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  6. Tautaioleua (309 comments) says:

    David, it’s actually much worse. NZ Cricket is a shambles and is crying out for an overhaul.

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,398 comments) says:

    @ davinci – I had high hopes that David White might stem the bleeding from the Medical Misadventures of Dr Vaughan. Those hopes have not been realised however, and the patient is no in immediate danger of exsanguination.

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  8. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    I’m pretty sure NZ cricket would struggle to organise the proverbial piss-up in a brewery. Really, just how more shambolic could it get?

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  9. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock @11.06 am

    The most accurate comment posted here in 2012

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  10. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    KS

    Can’t say I had high hopes but I certainly didn’t expect that in his own way, he would be equally as incompetent. As for Hesson, well, what can you say? Unbelievably stupid to raise the issue when he did, but then he always had his agenda. It was bad enough to have gotten that aspect of it so wrong, but they are now spinning this to put the decision at Taylor’s door. Despicable behaviour really.

    On the plus side, the way that they’ve been liberally dispersing these post facto weasel words provides Taylor a dignified opportunity to tell them to fuck off. Previously it would have looked like he had the pip. Who would want to be employed by and accountable to such a couple of duplicitous weasels? Taylor has plenty of options; all of which ought to be far more attractive than staying on with this bunch of misfits. It will make the book interesting. I wonder if it could be released by the time they return from SA.

    I think NZ cricket is becoming the bolt-hole for people who couldn’t even get onto the NZ First list.

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  11. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Ross Taylor just gave a very measured interview on Radio Sport. He has obviously been hurt a lot. He cannot sleep and just needs a holiday. He is still very supportive of the team and of Brendon McCullum, and wants to play for the team and score test centuries. It’s not clear though that he could work with Hesson again, although he didn’t say that.

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  12. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    This Hessan/Otago thing reminds me very much of the Lauire Mains situation.

    He was made All Black coach, all of a sudden journeymen like Aaron Pene was an All Black number 8 better than Zinzan Brook, Steven Bachop was all of a sudden a better first five eighth than Grant Fox.

    I absolutley love test cricket, its something that seems very civilised to me and there is nothing better than 5 days at Eden Park taking a match in but we currently have a coach no one outside of Otago has heard of, someone who seems to have criticised Ross Taylor for poor communication skills but whose latest efforts over this matter make John Mitchell look like Winston Churchill.

    The sad fact is Brendam McCullum is not a test batsman of international quality, as a wicket keeper /batsman he was world class but only New Zealand and Bangladesh would have him in their lineup as a opener.

    Seems to me Hessan is so insecure in his gig he needs a mate to help him.

    This is international sport not club cricket at the Taihape Rec.

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  13. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    There is surely quite a lot more to now about why we can’t keep coaches like John Wright and Allan Donald but give loads of power to small time coaches and Australian bowls selectors.

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  14. thedavincimode (6,867 comments) says:

    make John Mitchell look like Winston Churchill.

    That’s worth pinching.

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  15. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Christ what a complete fuckup it all is, never mind Taylor payback is a bitch at times, just tell NZC you will play against England but not with Hessan as coach.
    And White and the complete board can go as well.

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  16. Keeping Stock (10,398 comments) says:

    The Veitch interview with Ross Taylor was outstanding. Taylor has risen significantly in my estimation. It seems as though Mike Hesson came into the job with preconceived ideas about Taylor’s ability as captain, but telling him just before a test match that he was to be replaced for South Africa was a ridiculous thing to do. That most of the coaching set-up was undermining the captain cannot have helped the Black Caps’ performance, and Taylor’s double failure in the first test is now understandable. That he bounced back from that to bat superbly in Colombo is a mark of what a class act Taylor is.

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  17. Keeping Stock (10,398 comments) says:

    The Veitch/Taylor interview is here, for those who missed it; compelling listening:

    http://www.radiosport.co.nz/player/ondemand/104956765-ross-taylor-talks-to-tony-veitch

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  18. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Yes, NZ Cricket *is* “that bad”.

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  19. wreck1080 (3,955 comments) says:

    I’m boycotting nz cricket this year. At least I can cancel sky sports until ruggers starts up again.

    Ross Taylor has been treated disgracefully.

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  20. wreck1080 (3,955 comments) says:

    Oh yes, I encourage others to cancel sky sports and tell Sky exactly why!!

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  21. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    Agree with PEB – One of my happiest memories was doing just that, 5 days for a Boxing Day test in Australia. Loved every minute of it.

    Ive played and loved cricket since I was a nipper, and now, approaching 50, god, its so bloody sad. And approaching a test series in SA. Dear god, I hope its not an embarrassment. But I fear it will be. That SA side is truly fearsome. God help us.

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  22. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    Something is not quite right…

    If I heard correctly (was in the car / chatter in the back), then Buchanan (Manager) actually recommended to his boss (David White) that Taylor should be retained as Captain in all three forms of the game. But Hesson (who reports to Buchanan) didn’t want that option because he wanted McCullum.

    So the coach wanted McCullum but the coach’s boss (Buchanan) wanted to keep Taylor. Hesson had no ability to sack or demote any player – he could only make a recommendation. So the ultimate decision had to have been made by CEO David White. The Board has already said that it will back the decisions made by the CEO (and fair enough).

    There is constant talk of ‘player power’ – and that’s obvious to anyone who looks. When John Wright was appointed, he actually tried to break up the ‘player power’ and several of the senior players hated it – that’s why they ran bitching to anyone who would listen and complain about Wright being an autocrat. This is the same John Wright who successfully coached a star studded Indian team. Go figure.

    The only person who has emerged from this with any credibility intact, is Ross Taylor. He deserves better – and if he quietly decided to bugger off and ply his trade in the Sri Lankan League etc, then NZC can only blame itself.

    What a total cock- up. :(

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  23. Keeping Stock (10,398 comments) says:

    You’re right on the money Elaycee. But I don’t think Taylor will bugger off to the mercenary leagues. He states that his passions is playing for New Zealand. Here’s hoping that both he and Jesse Ryder are available for the England series, and that they answer Hesson in the best way possible; in the middle, with their bats.

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  24. Nostalgia-NZ (5,268 comments) says:

    I don’t know which member of NZ Cricket it was on 1 last night. But he was using the argument of the BC’s recent record, on the basis of that every member of the team and himself would have to be replaced. Instead a key player goes. What gets me is the confidential ‘reports’ from anonymous players. FFS if their opinions are worth anything, why don’t they front up to the media and to Ross Taylor. I don’t imagine Taylor would be offended by straight talking, even in this situation where it looks like he’s been stabbed in the back. Any team is f…ed when they work behind one another’s back, and coaches and management that put up with it, or capitalise on it show the same lack of character. It’s better if you do, but a player doesn’t have to like his captain or coach – nevertheless he or she should be undivided in his loyalty to the team and to winning.

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  25. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    @KS: Maybe….

    Whilst Taylor has said that he wants to play for the team again, perhaps he is keeping his cards close to his chest because of the clean out that is sure to occur at NZC. Why would Buchanan stay? His direct report (Hesson) made a recommendation that McCullum should be Captain and Buchanan says ‘No – Taylor should be retained in all three forms’. But Hesson (not Buchanan) is backed by David White! What a shambles.

    And I hear McCallum has suggested he knew nothing about the meeting in Taylor’s room in Sri Lanka when Hesson / Buchanan / Carter arrived and Hesson told Taylor he was going to be dumped as Captain for the RSA tour.

    I doubt it.

    I can’t imagine Hesson would have advised Taylor he was going to be dropped as Captain without sounding out McCullum in advance. I also can’t imagine a scenario of Taylor’s dumping / McCullums appointment not being run past David White in advance of the meeting either.

    Not flash.

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  26. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Fair comment and honest opinion are both defences to defamation, and would certainly apply here!

    In all seriousness, what a bunch of incompetent monkeys NZC are. They have elected a cricketing nobody as coach, pushed out John Wright as a result of back office manoeuvring by the likes of other cricketing nobodies John Buchanan, they have nominated a new captain who should not even be in the test side on merit, and they have alienated and shafted our only star player to the extent he will not be in our side to face the worlds most formidable team.

    This lifelong diehard black caps fan is dangerously close to relinquishing his support for good.

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  27. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Martin Crowe recently advised McCullum to bat down the order which seems to make sense given his record of opening is not flash.

    Crowe also said that batting 6 hours in a test was better than sex. If ever there was motivation to bat for a long time, that was it. :)

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/7994809/Crowe-offers-Black-Caps-words-of-wisdom

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  28. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Here’s Crowe’s opinion on the current brouhaha. Interesting reading:
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/596106.html

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  29. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Apart from everything else it seems as though this has been a serious breach of natural justice.

    I suspect Ross Taylor could take NZC to the cleaners in an employment tribunal.

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  30. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Crowe has since resigned as NZC cricketing scout, apparently disgusted at Taylor’s treatment.

    http://tvnz.co.nz/cricket-news/taylor-mistreatment-causes-crowe-quit-5267999

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  31. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > I suspect Ross Taylor could take NZC to the cleaners in an employment tribunal

    I’m not sure about that. Taylor is still contracted to NZC. It’s not like he’s been sacked from playing.

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  32. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    That is true Ross. I am listening to the Veitch interview now, certainly pretty damning and shows quite unprofessional conduct on Hesson’s part

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  33. Elaycee (4,403 comments) says:

    Correction:

    And I hear McCallum has suggested he knew nothing about the meeting in Taylor’s room in Sri Lanka when Hesson / Buchanan / Carter arrived and Hesson told Taylor he was going to be dumped as Captain for the RSA tour.

    The three people who knocked on Taylors door in Sri Lanka (to tell him he had been dumped as Captain for the RSA tour), were Hesson, Carter and Mike Sandle. Buchanan was not present.

    And now we know that Buchanan reported to David White that he was in favour of Taylor retaining the Captaincy in all three forms of the game.

    Not good.

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  34. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    “The fact is, the execution is rotten enough for accountability to be demanded and for all four positions be given to more transparent, more competent and more worthy men. ” ~ Martin Crowe

    Why only men? Maybe if there were women at the top, we might see improvement…it’s hard to see how things could be any worse with women at the top of NZC.

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  35. noskire (842 comments) says:

    As a long-suffering BlackCap’s supporter, I’ve agonised long and hard about the predicament this great game is in.

    Really, all I can say is we need a couple of guys who can consistently put in great performances, like this:

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  36. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Then to add insult to injury they replace Taylor with Peter Fulton ( Test Average 20.93) compared with the Australian bowler Mitchell Johnson (test Average 21.26) thats a BOWLER at 21.26.

    Brendan McCullum (test average 35.63) compared with Clark, Ponting, Warner, Hussey all over 40, the first three over 50.

    35 is a good average for a wicketkeeper/ batsman but not a top order batsman

    NZ has only 15 players average over 40 in the history of the game and several of those were one or two test players and NZC manages to alienate the only one in the team with an average over 40. You bunch of dicks.

    Anyway I should stop worrying, Jacob Oram will rescue us when his wife has had her child, as long as he doesn’t strain a muscle or just pull himself too much on the plane.aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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  37. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Is there any major sport in New Zealand that doesn’t seem to be cursed with these kinds of administrative shenanigans? I’m seeing this present debacle as perhaps the worst, but New Zealand rugby’s performance around the 2003 world cup should never be forgotten, or forgiven.

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  38. Longknives (4,853 comments) says:

    “but New Zealand rugby’s performance around the 2003 world cup should never be forgotten, or forgiven.”

    Don’t you mean 2007?? The year of sacrificing the Super 14 in the name of a bizarre All Black ‘reconditioning’ programme that left them shellshocked and undercooked when the French came to play in Cardiff….

    (Yes Bereal I hate myself and my country etc etc)

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  39. Longknives (4,853 comments) says:

    And regarding the Black Caps, They actually don’t care themselves -They only use New Zealand internationals as a method of obtaining an IPL ‘Hit and Giggle’ contract (hence McCullum and co slogging away in the first session of a Test match)- So why the hell should we care??

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  40. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Yeah that too, but I’m mainly thinking of basic administrative failings. Any team can lose any game at any time and that’s how top sport should be. Ingrained cock-ups by the administrators are less easy to forgive.
    New Zealand has had one great era in cricket – the 1980s to early 90s with Hadlee and Crowe and some outstanding supporting acts. We never will have that talent very often, but does anyone remember how the game was run then?

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  41. Longknives (4,853 comments) says:

    “but does anyone remember how the game was run then?”

    I think there were still internal problems. It’s just we could throw the new ball to Paddles and he would rip through the opposition and everything would be alright…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsWh_bZoKw8

    He still didn’t want to hand over that car….which at the time nearly tore the team apart.

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  42. Manolo (14,018 comments) says:

    I posit there is no such thing as NZ Cricket. Just a bunch of no-hopers.

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  43. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Oh yes, the car. I read Bruce Edgar’s book a long while back and he was pretty pissed off by that incident, among others. Players can disagree, etc, etc, but how many times have sports administrations actively destroyed their teams’ chances?

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  44. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Nice to see Martin Crowe’s opinion getting a wider circulation on Stuff today.

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  45. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    Some questions…

    1. What is the role of McCullum’s manager in all of this?
    2. Is there any truth to the rumour that there is a huge TV deal on offer for NZC and that a former NZ player holds the key to obtaining that TV deal?
    3. What influence do senior T20/ODI players have in the demise of Taylor?
    4. Are those senior players keen to get rid of Taylor because Taylor had decided they were past their best and no longer wanted them to be part of the NZ T20/ODI set up?
    5. How much does the IPL play in all of this, remember that certain senior players are desperate to stay part of the NZ set up so they can have a chance at one last big IPL pay day.
    6. Why does Brendan McCullum bat the way he does in test cricket?
    7. Has Tim Southee been offered the vice captaincy in an effort to get the younger players onside with team McCullum?
    8. If Taylor had been offered the captaincy of the test team does that mean that NZC really don’t care about Test cricket any more?

    As always, follow the money.

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  46. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Good questions. Do you have answers to them? You seem to be hinting at the influence of some of the ageing pros and recent retirees who are acting out of pure self-interest.

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  47. Nookin (3,453 comments) says:

    BB

    I’d love to hear the answers to some of those questions. As far as 8 is concerned, the answer is either ‘yes’ or it means that those involved were unprincipled and treated test captaincy as a haggle to get a sweet deal and no adverse publicity.

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  48. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    Nookin & MNM

    A good sports journalist (which rules out nearly all of the useless sycophantic pricks we have in NZ) would know, or attempt to find out the answers to the questions I posed.

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  49. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    BB
    Sports journalists are incredibly handicapped by the corporate machines that surround the most popular sports and sports persons. Say or write the wrong thing and they are shut out completely.

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  50. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    I agree. That is why I find Mark Reason to be the best sport journo in the county by a mile.

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  51. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    In fact the comparison between NZC and Labour is perfect- perfect in fact for pretty well all of NZ appointed boards, business and government. A whole heap of talentless hacks identified for their inoffensiveness and ability to brown- nose those in power at the time distinguished by their ability to feel threatened by those with knowledge and ambition (quite often the stakeholders of their organisation- the NZ cricket public and the Labour party membership the examples in this case). Of course the objective is to secure the status quo- pretecting their position and perks, mainly involving international travel and socialisation. Name any major NZ cultural, sporting and political organisation, business and government bureaucracy and you can see what I mean.

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  52. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    Except that there are sporting and other organizations in New Zealand that are very well run indeed. Some sports are organized very well; while some are a complete shambles. The best ones seem to be run by people who have risen through the sport from active participation through to administration without ever being divorced from what make the individual sport tick.

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  53. big bruv (14,116 comments) says:

    MNM

    I hope you do not include the NZRU in that list of well run sporting organisations.

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  54. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    I will hate them forever for stuffing up the RWC hosting in 2003, among other debacles.

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  55. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    My 2c worth is that NZ sporting organisations are made of well meaning regional officials who get a vote each to decide their national boards. The votes are not decided according to population though, each region- no matter how small all seem to get a vote each.

    So who gets elected- middle aged to old aged men who probably have never played and administered their sport at a level higher than a regional level.

    Who do they pick to run their organisation- someone identical to themselves. Check out the boards and ceo’s of any NZ sporting, cultural or political organisation and you will see what I mean.

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  56. mikenmild (11,569 comments) says:

    The ‘major’ sports though have all moves to more modern ‘governance’ arrangements where the grassroots organizations have ceded authority to boards largely made up of people who seem to have the requisite corporate experience. Most of these board members act in the interests of the key stakeholders (surrogate owners), who are the broadcasters and sponsors. The result is often sporting disasters becasue the key decision makers are hopelessly out of touch with the sport they are supposed to be fostering.

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