The US relationship

December 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald quotes US Assistant Secretary of State Kurt Campbell:

“We fully understand that New Zealand is not looking to go backward to re-create a relationship of the past,” he said, “but to re-create a strong, multi-faceted, multi-dimensional relationship for the 21st century.

“This is pretty much the model of how we want to do business. I think we have about as close a relationship as two countries can have now.”

And he credited the personal regard President had for Prime Minister for the improvement.

“I see President Obama regularly in meetings and I see the leaders that he is attracted to and he has to deal with a huge number of people.

“The truth is there are three or four leaders in Asia that he [strongly] respects and kind of listens to when they talk.

“It’s Prime Minister Lee in Singapore, it’s Prime Minister Najib in Malaysia, SBY (Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono) in Indonesia, Lee Myung-bak in South Korea but Prime Minister Key is in that list.”

A long way removed from when the previous Prime Minister had to do a written apology to the US President for her comments!

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36 Responses to “The US relationship”

  1. Mighty_Kites (81 comments) says:

    US lap-dog, fuck yeah!

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  2. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    Comrade Clark and the Labour Party did a lot of damage to bilateral relations with the United States.
    And now the anti-American lives there (New York) earning tax-free money. What a cheek!

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  3. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    Manolo – its ok, she will be associating with the type of people that either hate yanks or hate themselves…

    mighty kites – you seem to have a bit of a complex going on there..

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  4. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    “It’s Prime Minister Lee in Singapore, it’s Prime Minister Najib in Malaysia, SBY (Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono) in Indonesia, Lee Myung-bak in South Korea but Prime Minister Key is in that list.”

    It might have been newsworthy if he had said Julia Gillard wasn’t on that list.

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  5. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    Going even further back didn’t Rob Muldoon end up apologising to Jimmy Carter for describing Carter as being just a peanut farmer?

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  6. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    Well John Key is for redefining marriage and Barack Obama is married to a gorilla so that’s probably part of why they get along so well.

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  7. sparky (235 comments) says:

    I can understand Obama’s take on John Key. He is a very personable man, and an awesome PM.

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  8. dime (9,442 comments) says:

    “Well John Key is for redefining marriage and Barack Obama is married to a gorilla so that’s probably part of why they get along so well.”

    keeping it classy redbaiter.

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  9. Viking2 (11,139 comments) says:

    “It’s Prime Minister Lee in Singapore, it’s Prime Minister Najib in Malaysia, SBY (Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono) in Indonesia, Lee Myung-bak in South Korea but Prime Minister Key is in that list.”

    Notice anything in common with that list?
    Eh!
    Non democratic leaders Yes
    Muslim well 3 are not sure about Korea.

    Well fuck me we need an authoritarian regime to make our country work. and the land of the Free are cuddling them, well their President is. Imagine Americans being told there will be no more elections for anyone other then Barack for the next 50 years.
    The ambassador or whoever needs to take a good hard look at where they are going and tell the american public the direction.

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  10. campit (466 comments) says:

    A long way removed from when the previous Prime Minister had to do a written apology to the US President for her comments!

    I assume you are referring to the former US President George Bush, who you will recall started a war with Iraq on the false pretext that they were harbouring weapons of mass destruction. One wonders if John Key would have involved NZ in the folly of Iraq had he been PM at the time.

    I think the warming of relationships that you describe has a lot more to do with Obama becoming president, than John Key becoming PM.

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  11. Manolo (13,376 comments) says:

    Obama’s sympathy for the Islamic authoritarians gives new meaning to the term “Muslim Brotherhood“.

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  12. Grizz (500 comments) says:

    What if Shearer was the PM. Would Obama have the time to listen to him?

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  13. greenjacket (417 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: “Barack Obama is married to a gorilla”

    What a charming guy ‘Redbaiter’ is.

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  14. gravedodger (1,516 comments) says:

    @Griz 1 14, only if it was recorded and edited to remove the 50% um, ah, ahm, err.

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  15. Key is our man (788 comments) says:

    Grizz (398) Says: “What if Shearer was the PM. Would Obama have the time to listen to him?”

    Come November 2014, you will know the answer Grizz….

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  16. sparky (235 comments) says:

    LOL, Grizz, Obama would wonder where they got Shearer from. Mind you he could serenade him with the guitar. snort LOL.

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  17. Don the Kiwi (1,593 comments) says:

    campit.
    12.52

    assume you are referring to the former US President George Bush, who you will recall started a war with Iraq on the false pretext that they were harbouring weapons of mass destruction. One wonders if John Key would have involved NZ in the folly of Iraq had he been PM at the time

    1.Repeating the old lying canard – so did all the other world leaders believe Hussein had WMD – he used them against the Kurds.
    2. Helen Klarkenfuhrer sent Kiwi troops to Iraq.

    You’re a dumb twat campit. Get your facts straight.

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  18. mikenmild (10,745 comments) says:

    Don
    Would you like to list the ‘world leaders’ who believed Saddam still had any such weapons in 2003? It’s quite a short list, I believe.
    Once the United States attacked Iraq, New Zealand adopted a pragmatic approach and sent some people to help in the ‘reconstruction’.

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  19. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    New Zealand adopted a pragmatic approach and sent some people to help in the ‘reconstruction’.

    Only after Bush got some compromising photos of Hulun when she stayed at Blair House mm. Or didn’t you know about that?

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  20. mikenmild (10,745 comments) says:

    Hadn’t heard that one Reid, but you seem open to believing just about anything. Did you read it in a book by Ian Wishart?

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  21. big bruv (13,311 comments) says:

    Jesus Bedwetter, that is low even for a POS like you.

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  22. mikenmild (10,745 comments) says:

    Reddy is pretty low, but didn’t everyone here already know that? Maybe if his Mum supervised him a bit more closely he could still turn out okay.

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  23. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Manolo (8,450) Says:
    December 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Obama’s sympathy for the Islamic authoritarians gives new meaning to the term “Muslim Brotherhood“.

    … continuing the Bush family tradition of support for oppressive regimes, whether they be Prescott Bush’s Nazi/Christian connections or George senior’s connection with the Wahabi bin Laden family. Religion has always been used for political ends, whether it be the Westminster system or the Muslim brotherhood.

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  24. mikenmild (10,745 comments) says:

    Ugly’s back with one of his little theories. Does this one encompass the black magic connection via Alisteir Crwoley, Ugly?

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  25. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    you seem open to believing just about anything

    You should get out a bit more mm. Stuff like that happens all the time.

    Educate yourself.

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  26. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    Ugly’s back with one of his little theories.

    What theory would that be?

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  27. mikenmild (10,745 comments) says:

    Now Reid, you know I’d be reluctant to condemn this as just another one of your bat-shit crazy theories.

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  28. mikenmild (10,745 comments) says:

    Ugly
    The theory about the Bushes and the Nazis, etc. I’m pretty sure Reid floated this one a while ago and it included the black magic stuff too.

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  29. Redbaiter (7,632 comments) says:

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

    What a pathetic little anti-Conservative bigot you really are Farrar.

    All the filth that gets daily written on this blog by your arse kissing progressive mates and you single that comment out for demerits?

    FFS..!!!

    You’re just a pathetic wet liberal joke and a complete politically biased hypocrite.

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  30. UglyTruth (4,002 comments) says:

    I don’t know what you’re talking about, MM. And it would seem that you don’t, either.

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  31. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Red you do not get it. Only lefties are allowed to make those sorts of nasty comments on KB, and they do, daily.

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  32. RRM (9,468 comments) says:

    What a pathetic little anti-Conservative bigot you really are Farrar.

    All the filth that gets daily written on this blog by your arse kissing progressive mates and you single that comment out for demerits?

    :lol: You just don’t get it do you Wedbaiter?
    You’re not a c*******tive.
    You’re just a c***.

    Here’s a little song for you:

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  33. Reid (15,954 comments) says:

    The theory about the Bushes and the Nazis,

    It’s not a theory mm. Sure, if you’re uneducated you might think it is, but why don’t you look at Prescott Bush and what he did during WWII. It’s all there, if you care to look. Of course if you already “know” the answer even before you’ve looked, well.

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  34. campit (466 comments) says:

    You’re a dumb twat campit. Get your facts straight.

    Season’s Greetings to you too Don! Why don’t you post your real name and address so I know where to send your card.

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  35. Paul G. Buchanan (301 comments) says:

    I would take Mr. Campbell’s remarks with a grain of salt and not at face value. He was being diplomatic, after all. His comments that the US “welcomed” close NZ-PRC ties is at odds with the US strategic pivot towards Asia, which has as a foremost priority containment of Chinese power expansion in the WestPac Rim. The Wellington and Washington Declarations, the exclusion of the PRC from TPP negotiations, the forward repositioning of US forces in Australia, Singapore and the Philippines (among other places), the expansion of RimPAc exercises, the outreach to india, etc., all suggest that under the nice rhetoric of cooperation there is a looming strategic competition between the US and PRC in play. How NZ fits into that remains to be seen but I would imagine that the US overtures to NZ in recent years might have something to do with that and are designed to keep NZ in the US camp regardless of its economic ties with the PRC. The question is what will happen if push comes to shove between the PRC and US on matters of diplomatic import, which is where the NZ position will be tested.

    As for the leaders that Obama respects in the WestPac. Campbell said that there were “three or four,” then went on to mention the political leaders of Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore and South Korea, to which John Key was added. So that would make five, of which two are Muslim and all but one democratically elected (however flawed the electoral process may be in some of the countries in question). Either Mr. Campbell is not up on his math or he threw in Mr. Key as an after-thought given who he was talking to (and Ms. Young’s ready acceptance of his answers and uncritical questioning was a poor journalistic display at best).

    All of which is to say that I would not put too much stock in this interview.

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  36. ChardonnayGuy (1,136 comments) says:

    Excellent. One hopes that the consequence of such access will be facilitated free trade access for our agricultural and other products…although obviously too, we need to recognise that we live in a multipolar world now and accord equivalent weight to our significant trade relationship with China, as well as cultivating closer relationships with emerging powers like India.

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