General Debate 23 January 2013

January 23rd, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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92 Responses to “General Debate 23 January 2013”

  1. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    A slow morning?

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  2. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    To warm up the hearts of the myriad of AGW believers, including the Greenie Nick Smith:
    http://jamesdelingpole.com/wordpress/wordpress/blog/now-even-pravda-admits-the-global-warming-jig-is-up-2203/

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  3. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Reports coming in of another school shooting in Texas? The news folks will love this.

    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/20649755/breaking-news

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  4. BlueGriffon (204 comments) says:

    The problem with housing affordability is that first home buyers DO NOT want to buy when prices are more affordable and stablising. As soon as prices start to go up, they jump in the queue which makes the problem worse. Have been around long enough to see it time and again.

    Labour may be getting traction with their policy but the reality is that people are not going to want to buy an ‘affordable’ 90 sqm box on the outer edges of Aucland.

    Some of us started out in little B & T units, not for this generation. First house has to be 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms with 4 car garaging.

    Just listened to Chris Hipkins on ZB this morning, what a whiny so and so he is!!!!

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  5. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Some challenging questions to DPF, Cam Slater and supporters of Redefining Marriage why we should legislatively normalise other sexualities.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=17211&action=edit&message=6&postpost=v2 (censored).

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  6. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    Reports coming in of another school shooting in Texas?

    It is unfortunate they do not give the same coverage to the innocent people killed by the US government all around the world. All that changed along with the presidents skin tone.

    The insincerity and misrepresentations of the left make me sick.

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  7. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Good grief.
    The concept of buying a house in a lower price area such as West Auckland for a young couple these days is like failure as a human being.
    Then they appear in Herald bemoaning they tragedy they couldn’t afford to buy in Hern Bay.. WTF.

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  8. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    Travelled Hamilton to Orewa yesterday.
    I set the cruise control on 103 (4km margin there) and passed so many cars while I was in the left hand lane.
    When will those Jafas learn that the right hand lane is for fast traffic.

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  9. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Pussy Galore:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2013/01/fire-in-la-hotel-cat-saved.html

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  10. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Phil Twyford has promised that Labour will reopen the Gisborne-Napier rail line…
    – despite saying a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis is required
    – despite quoting a BERL report that says freigh volume needs to more than quadruple for the line to be profitable

    And Labour would also have to be able to get sufficient votes in Parliament. Presumably Greens would back a substantially taxpayer subsidised rail line, but they would probably need more votes than Labour+Green.

    Labour’s promise to reopen Gisborne-Napier rail line

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  11. Kleva Kiwi (289 comments) says:

    “Tauhei Notts (1,190) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
    Travelled Hamilton to Orewa yesterday.
    I set the cruise control on 103 (4km margin there) and passed so many cars while I was in the left hand lane.
    When will those Jafas learn that the right hand lane is for fast traffic.”

    There is no such thing as a fast lane in NZ. Right hand lanes are not for ‘fast’ traffic, and on a multi laned motorway there is no distinction in the speed of lanes.

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  12. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    MW – Gareth Morgan was seen running away with a can in the hand.

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  13. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @Pete George. Well that is one way to throw money down the crapper. What that region needs is a massive investment in roading infrastructure. Its got to be the worst road in New Zealand but such potential for tourism and exporting if the Wellington Gisborne New Plymouth triangle was given a boost with decent freeways.

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  14. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    Black Caps on verge of victory. SA require 64 runs from 35 balls, only 4 wickets left.

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  15. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Black Caps. Nuff said. Holding of breath…

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  16. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    I hope the Black Caps don’t clutch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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  17. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    My youngest children are off to preschool today. Still a few years b4 the oldest can babysit but “lightness of being”, is the phrase that comes to mind.

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  18. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Four wickets to R. Out. South Africa running out of wickets as they run themselves out.

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  19. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    Just hit a six then out, go the Black Caps.

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  20. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    Run out has a fifer!

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  21. Andrei (2,651 comments) says:

    Fortieth anniversary of the Supreme Court descision that began the USA’s slide into degeneracy and now has more victims than Stalin and Hitler combined managed.

    Satanic harridans celebrate

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  22. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    1 wicket to go. Surely they cannot lose from here.

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  23. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Too many runs for them to get now. That’s a major turnaround in form for both teams.

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  24. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (864) Says:

    January 23rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
    Pussy Galore:

    Garth will not be pleased about that. He wants them all dead !

    Because he is a caring lefty.

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  25. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Good grief
    Black Caps win

    I am stunned and amazed

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  26. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    WOOOO HOOO! NZ take the series from South Africa on their home soil.

    Time to taunt my South African wife and family-in-law

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  27. skyblue (210 comments) says:

    Black Caps win a series in South Africa.

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  28. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    BlackCaps win!!

    time for Pauleastbay to jump back on the bandwagon!!

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  29. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    That’s more like it! If the Black Caps play to the best of their ability and lose, I can accept that. And boy; did they scrap hard this morning; the first ever series win by a New Zealand side in South Africa, and we’ve been touring there for 60 years. Well done lads!

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/01/well-done-to-black-caps.html

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  30. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Not too bad by the Black Caps but they have to get more consistency in their batting.

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  31. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    The calls for a massive global pillaging of private wealth for the benefit of the global elite continues:

    Davos call for $14trn ‘greening’ of global economy

    Political and business leaders warned of need to ensure sustainable growth.

    An unprecedented $14trn (£8.8trn) greening of the global economy is the only way to ensure long-term sustainable growth, according to a stark warning delivered to political and business leaders as they descended on the World Economic Forum in Davos yesterday.

    When you hear terms like ‘greening the global economy’ and ‘sustainable development’ what you’re really hearing is a demand that you open your pocket to fund the global leadership aspirations of sovereign nationals whose egos have outgrown their local rulership opportunities.

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  32. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    A great effort by Hesson turning around the form of the Black Caps and lifting them off the canvas.

    Mike Hesson to coach Labour caucus?

    And captain McCullum is a good speaker…

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  33. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    but SA missing some of their big names, a rotation policy?

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  34. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    And New Zealand was at full strength Dean? No Taylor, Ryder, Southee, Bracewell…

    Take nothing away from them; it was an outstanding performance, and they fought and scrapped in a way that we have become accustomed to seeing from New Zealand teams, but not of late.

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  35. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    Kleva @ 8:50 – “There is no such thing as a fast lane in NZ. Right hand lanes are not for ‘fast’ traffic, and on a multi laned motorway there is no distinction in the speed of lanes.”

    That may be correct technically, but whatever happened to the “first rule of the road code”: keep to the left? The cops never seem to take that seriously enough these days, even when they are taking slower drivers to task.

    Tauhei Notts is right: when there’s more than a single lane on any road – including a motorway or a freeway – it should be an enforceable requirement that drivers keep to the left as far as is practicable. That might minimise the build-up of driver frustration that can be a precursor to unnecessary crashes.

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  36. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @ KK and @Kea. You know it’s all gone to hell when the U.S president promises to address the climate change issue:
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-would-obama-address-climate. What a dick. His focus should be jobs and fuck anything else. He’s going to be responsible for a shift in the power stakes to Asia. NZ dollar will be parity with USD at the end of this decade. If our government pulls out it’s finger and infrastructure and breaking down trade barriers, NZ will be the winner.
    The US is on a hiding to nowhere. In California we pay more for electricity than we did in Wellington and the price is gonna rocket up again with futile projects like wind and as for a secure food supply. Biofuels will stuff that up.
    Morgan is another waste of space on environmentalism. We should be working on exploiting the exotic species for hunting and tourism in NZ not distracted by feline by his pussy brows.

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  37. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Bibi is expected to win: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/22/expect-more-same-netanyahu-looks-to-maintain-status-quo-in-third-term-as/

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  38. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    SA were than 150/1 under 30 overs. They should have done it with both eyes closed.

    But amazing things happen when a NZ batsman actually scores more than 20 runs.

    I hope Ryder tours to England.

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  39. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Excellent article by James Delingpole: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100199161/obama-declares-war-on-reality/

    We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms.

    The first sentence is a blatant untruth. Concerted global action so far to deal with the threat of climate change has resulted in: higher energy prices; more deaths from fuel poverty; more intrusive regulation; the destruction of rainforests and the squandering of agricultural land on biofuels; higher food prices; famine and food riots – as a result partly of the drive for biofuels; the entrenchment of corporatism and rent-seeking to the detriment of free markets; the ravaging of the countryside with ugly solar farms and even uglier wind turbines; the deaths of millions of birds and bats; the great recession. How any of this has in any way benefited either our children (who are going to find it far harder to find a job) or future generations is a complete mystery.

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  40. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/8207792/Two-flat-whites-hold-the-crying-kid

    Anyone else got an opinion on screaming kids in cafes?

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  41. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    T. Notts at 8.44 posted, inter alia: “When will those Jafas learn that the right hand lane is for fast traffic.”

    Hello T.Notts! You obviously haven’t held a driving licence for very long – either that or you were badly taught when you were a Learner.

    As every competent driver knows, the outside lane is the overtaking lane. Did you get that? O-V-E-R-T-A-K-I-N-G!! Use it to overtake and then return to a non-overtaking lane.

    That way we will all get to where we are going comparatively safely and without delay – or the frustration of being held up behind a slow mover hogging the overtaking lane.

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  42. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Monique
    LOL – we definitely have overlooked the tourism potential of hunting those well-known game species: possums, stoats, ferrets and wild cats.

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  43. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Phil Twyford has taken the time to respond to questions on the Gisborne-Napier rail re-opening.

    http://yournz.org/2013/01/23/phil-twyford-responds-on-gisborne-napier-rail/

    I accept that policy pledges or promises are not, can not, be set in stone, they are subject to changing situations, election results, coalition agreements and policy support negotiations.

    I still query the optimism in quadrupling freight volumes.

    In particular I think there’s an important issue that needs more attention regarding Labour’s stated preference on Hillside Workshops and the Gisborne-Napier line to change the business model of SOEs to include wider costs including social costs and costs of unemployment and the effects on downstream business.

    And whether MPs should have more ongoing say in the operating decisions of SOEs.

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  44. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    So called Arab Spring going well. The Islamic govt of Egypt want more beheadings in Mali.

    http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=300404

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  45. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Anyone know why today’s NZ1, the Air NZ flight from London-LA-Auckland, made a sharp turn back to London after it had passed northwest Scotland, then made another sharp turn and resumed the flight?

    The aircraft, a Boeing 777, doesn’t seem to have been delayed much. At midday (NZDT, 23.01.2012) it was heading across the Canadian province of Manitoba towards the US border at 562mph.

    flightradar24.com is a wonderful, pointless time-waster….

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  46. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    4615 comments on the CK Stead/David Bain post now, and rising by the hour. Can DPF get a 5000 comment post?

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  47. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (344 comments) says:

    DFP
    It may be time to close down the Bain thread
    It is for some reason repeating identical comments and so is a waste of time loading in 4500+ remarks

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  48. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Akaroa

    Either you were completely missing the point or you’re one of those tools who sit in the right hand lane holding everyone else up instead of moving over.

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  49. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    NZ blogosphere could coin a new malady *Bain Strain*

    Bain Sprain?
    Bain drain?

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  50. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    So called Arab Spring going well. The Islamic govt of Egypt want more beheadings in Mali.

    That will be the same “Arab Spring” supported by Obama’s bombs ?

    The same one supported by Western liberals ?

    That one ??

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  51. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Puzzled

    You don’t have to go there. If repeating identical comments was the threshold, then Kiwiblog, and boybaiter in particular, would have been shut down years ago.

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  52. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    LRC

    Very good.

    Bain fade, Bain storm, Bain wave.

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  53. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ PiE – don’t be silly; it’s DPF’s cunning plan to wrest back the #1 spot in the NZ blog rankings :D

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  54. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I want a ‘bain freeze’ :)

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  55. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    DB + stripper = Bain teaser.

    Some out there Bainiacs on this blog.

    It would be a Bain in the arse if he was gay. It’s Baining men. I’d give him a big Bainer. Baindrops keep falling on my head. Bain Aid: Do they know it’s compensation time at all?

    Aha….. yeah. Sure!! Yeah, you should….

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  56. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Is the end nigh for Sir Paul?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/8213205/Paul-Holmes-admitted-to-hospital

    Reading that “his family had gathered” has an ominous tone to it.

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  57. pollywog (1,153 comments) says:

    Whinging pom calls it how he sees it…

    I’m an English migrant with New Zealand citizenship and have lived here for over ten years.

    During my time here many of the myths which New Zealand perpetuates for its citizenry, and the world by its media, around the water-cooler at work, and at the pub, have slowly been eroded – much like its rivers, waterways and workers’ rights…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/8208827/NZ-a-great-place-to-live-Yeah-right

    har de har har…

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  58. kowtow (8,469 comments) says:

    More of the diversity and multicultural/immigration dividend in action.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9818163/Muslim-Patrol-thugs-abuse-man-in-second-vigilante-video.html

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  59. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @pollywog

    O.K. … it’s an oldy but a goody

    How can you tell when a plane load of poms lands at the airport? When the engines are turned off the whining is still deafening.

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  60. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    I propose David Bain be excised from NZ history. That will do a lot of good. :-)

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  61. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    The bain of Kiwiblog – thankfully mostly confined to a neverending thread that is easily avoided.

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  62. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Don’t mention the ‘B’ word (name)

    Please

    This is a potential dangerous journey into the area of obsessive compulsive behaviour.

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  63. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Don’t mention the ‘B’ word (name)

    You mean … Macbeth?

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  64. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    At davinci’s request: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/8212698/Two-arrested-over-charity-box-theft

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  65. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Anohter Gaia lover gone bonkers: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9815862/Humans-are-plague-on-Earth-Attenborough.html

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  66. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Andrei (1,672) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 9:19 am
    Fortieth anniversary of the Supreme Court descision that began the USA’s slide into degeneracy and now has more victims than Stalin and Hitler combined managed.

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  67. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,775) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm

    Did you post a clip on the russians warning of currency war? I’ve been trying to look for it but can’t find it. Anyone remember?

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  68. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    No, wasn’t me, sorry.

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  69. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (865) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Um….What exotic species? Now if only we can resurrect the Moa, I’m not joking. If they can use pluritpotent stem cells to replicate a mouse sooner or later we’ll be able to have a crack at raising a dead species if we can find some dna somewhere.

    Monique, What’s the general mood in Calif for the next year?

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  70. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,776) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    Not a problem, i found it when i got a flash of inspiration and searched youtube.

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  71. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Manolo

    Good to see that you are now being even-handed and reporting on gay crime.

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  72. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    thedavincimode (4,325) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Fa Fa’s? down there?

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  73. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Dick Smith ad in Australia deemed too rude to air during prime time due, it turns out, to innuendo. Apparently “I love dick” jokes are unacceptable.

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  74. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Why intelligent people are concerned

    Look at the pattern

    Freedoms are disappearing, government powers growing

    The idea of suspending the Constitution was first presented in the mid 1980s during the Reagan administration.

    No less a thug than the drug-dealing, murder-ordering, terrorist-supporting Oliver North was knee deep in the program.

    Since then every US president – George Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr, and Barack Obama – have steadily created oppressive laws and legal systems to “fight terrorism” while simultaneously violating basic Constitutional rights.

    Simultaneously with this, the US military has received training on how to suppress the rights of and even attack US citizens on US soil. US police have been increasingly militarized and new armed federal agencies have spouted like weeds.

    Why?

    Doesn’t the US have enough serious problems to attend to without the need to laboriously create new “programs” to fight non-existent or government manufactured problems?

    Instead the ONLY thing the US government has done consistently over the last 30 years (besides wage illegal wars and give Wall Street criminals a “get out of jail free” card) is create new secret “internal security” laws, bureaucracies, infrastructure and armed bodies.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-war-on-terror-is-a-fraud-1/why-intelligent-people-are-concerned.html

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  75. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    About time DPF puts an end to the Bain thread and extinguish all life out of the nutters that inhabit it.

    Good to see that you are now being even-handed and reporting on gay crime.

    davinci, equanimity is my surname.

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  76. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @MM Lol.
    Crying brats in cafes: I always found that sticking a nipple in the wailing child’s mouth worked a treat. Especially if the child is your own and fueling up on mimosas serves to quiet the ill humour of a breast fed brat. Parents these days. Sheesh.

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  77. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Nick Smith, the Green minister, could be proposing a similar measure: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sweden-mulls-carbon-tax-meat-reduce-emissions

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  78. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    You Tube comment about the state of the education system in US

    The Middle Schoolers where we moved–those girls were like in a state of scream. My daughter started getting that way. I took her off the school lunch and she calmed down immediately. Then I find out my son’s 5th grade Nazi teacher is trying to get them to report the parents aren’t feeding them right. And I am reading labels like crazy. What it is about is CONTROL. They will be dosing your kids behind your back. But what they are putting into their heads is far more toxic than in their bodies.

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  79. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Is this guy related to Griff or Scott Chris? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/paul-ehrlich-nobody-has-right-have-12-children-or-even-3

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  80. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Paul Ehrlich sounds like he wants to be a virus.

    In the near future he’ll probably state the virus has been found….when he has enough dirty rats behind him…. Bill and Melinda gates are in the same phase…speaking depopulation but not yet confident enough to action it .

    All on You tube

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  81. Azreal (15 comments) says:

    If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them.

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  82. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    I thought he had died years ago. So he’s still peddling his population-controlling, fear-mongering from 40 years ago when he was the darling of people like the Values Party.

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  83. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Turia rejects Harawira ‘dictatorship’:

    However, she says she sees Mr Harawira’s aspirations as a joke.

    “The fact is the Maori Party is led by the people and we’re not prepared to be led by any kind of dictatorship,” she told media at Ratana Marae, where the party has gathered for annual Ratana Church celebrations.

    “Somebody who purports to represent our people, and to say that he’s got to be the leader, no, no, that’s not how it works in our party.”

    She says the parties have tried to work together previously but it has not worked.

    Mrs Turia added that when she read news reports of Mr Harawira’s leadership aspirations, she “thought Hone had started a comedy show”.

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  84. Yvette (2,819 comments) says:

    Hi Kiwibloggers

    Seen this ?
    __________________

    Further charges possible for John Banks
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8212953/Further-charges-possible-for-John-Banks
    __________________

    Just pointing this out before you-know-who drops umpteen paragraphs on you about it

    Have a nice evening :-)

    Un-Judicially Recognised Kiwiblog Nuisance

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  85. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    Manolo (8,831) Says:
    January 23rd, 2013 at 7:00 pm
    Is this guy related to Griff or Scott Chris?

    Griff is to people what Morgan is to cats.

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  86. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Azreal @ 7.17

    If you can’t feed them, don’t breed them.

    The breeders don’t see it that way, they breed them and the TAXPAYER feeds them.
    Vote Labour and get more votes

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  87. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    So if Pakistan were playing the eight ranked team in world cricket and managed to lose five wickets by way of a run out would the cricket world be asking if the game was rigged?

    Just asking….

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  88. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    China spends big to develop shale gas industry

    by: Emily Ford
    From: The Times
    January 23, 2013 3:08PM

    CHINA has mounted a huge investment drive to explore its vast untapped reserves of shale gas in what it hopes could become a repeat of the energy revolution taking place in North America.

    Sixteen Chinese companies, including 14 state-owned enterprises, pledged to invest ¥12.8billion when they won contracts from the Ministry of Land and Resources to search for shale gas in remote parts of the country over three years, according to Xinhua, the state news agency.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/china-spends-big-to-develop-shale-gas-industry/story-fnb64oi6-1226560151771

    That’ll stuff the Arabs.

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  89. Kea (12,837 comments) says:

    Viking here is more good news on the energy front:

    “Despite struggling under a Greek-exposed debt mountain, the east Mediterranean island sits on potentially huge energy wealth in excess of 600 billion euros, a Royal Bank of Scotland report said.

    Cyprus hydrocarbons company chief Charles Ellinas says the island will be exporting to Europe by 2019 with a view to meeting 10 percent of the bloc’s energy needs.

    Offshore exploration by Houston-based Noble Energy in Block 12 of Cyprus’s Exclusive Economic Zone indicates a gross natural gas reserve of up to 254.9 billion cubic metres (9 trillion cubic feet).”

    http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/10476

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  90. Inky_the_Red (759 comments) says:

    There has been 2 very close elections in recent days. A few days ago the German State of Lower Saxony produced (at leat provissionally) a narrow win the SPD/ Greens by 1 seat over the CDU/FDP. Hard to see such a slim majority lasting over the term but time will tell.

    Despite PM Binyamin Netanyahu claiming victory early (seemingly based on Exit Polls) it seem unlikely he’ll have a stable government over the next few year. Today in Israel his Likud coalition is down 11 seats (from 2009) to gain 31 seats (out of 120) the religious parties managed 29 so it appears that he’ll need some support from the centre for any long-term government to last.

    To make matters worse the Yisrael Beiteinu faction of his Likud coalition say they plan to be a separate party in the Knesset. I think Israel will be voting again in 6-15 months as I can’t see how anyone to get any sort of coherent government from the result (so far).

    Interestingly, despite being about 20% of the population Arab parties only gained 12 seats (or 10% of the seats). Even taking into account the higher proportion of Israeli Arab too young to vote if their turnout was the same you would expect 17-18 seats. Maybe a mix of apathy and boycott keep the numbers down (I realise that some vote for non arab parties too).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_legislative_election,_2013

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  91. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Likud-Beitenu: 31 seats
    Yesh Atid: 19
    Labour: 15
    Shas: 11
    Habayit Hayehudi: 11
    United Torah Judaism: 7
    Hatnua: 6
    Meretz: 6
    United Arab List-Taal: 5
    Hadash: 4
    Balad: 3
    Kadima: 2

    It is so split 60 vs 60

    Likud-Beitenu 31, and the 3 religious parties Shas 11, Habayit Hayehudi 11, United Torah Judaism 7 — 60
    vs the rest.

    One option (most likely) is Likud-Beitenu 31 seats and Yesh Atid 19 and Labour 15.

    But Beitenu separating from Likud might complicate this.

    Maybe Likud + Yesh Atid 19 and Labour 15 and Hatnua 6 and Kadima 2 might be the alternative.

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  92. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Opposition to nannyism New York-style: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUGARY_DRINKS_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-23-06-18-52

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