Bainimarama supports torturers

March 10th, 2013 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

TVNZ report:

Fijian Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama says he will “stick by his men” if they are found to have been involved in the savage beating and torture of an escaped prisoner.

A nine minute video posted online this week shows two men being repeatedly beaten with poles, as they lie huddled on the ground handcuffed, screaming in agony. …

Sources have told ONE News the men carrying out the beating are army, police and prison officers.

Speaking to fijivillage.com , Bainimarama said if that is shown to be the case, he would support their actions.

“At the end of the day, I will stick by my men, by the police officers or anyone else that might be named in this investigation,” he said.

“We cannot discard them just because they’ve done their duty in looking after the security of this nation and making sure we sleep peacefully at night.”

I wasn’t aware their duties included torture?

Hopefully those responsible will still be arrested and charged, despite the views of the Commodore. It would show that no one is above the law.

The Commodore is due to announce in the near future if he will contest next year’s elections. I expect he will. He may find that his support for torturers doesn’t go down that well with the voters.

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28 Responses to “Bainimarama supports torturers”

  1. jims_whare (403 comments) says:

    The Commodore is due to announce in the near future if he will contest next year’s elections. I expect he will. He may find that his support for torturers doesn’t go down that well with the voters.

    Well that will depend on how many candidates are able to stand. Might be the big choice of one in which case he likely will receive around 100% of the vote.

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  2. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    He may find that his support for torturers doesn’t go down that well with the voters

    His actions over the last 7 years show what little regard he has for the voters.
    I rarely compliment Winston on anything, but when he tried (in good faith) to negotiate through the impasse in 2006, he was facing a brick wall in Bainimarama.

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  3. cha (3,935 comments) says:

    Bainimarama supports torturers

    Of course he supports torture. He was trained by the Chileans aboard the Esmeralda so he’s only doing what any half decent military thug would do.

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  4. labrator (1,837 comments) says:

    …making sure we sleep peacefully at night

    Bainimarama has a very different idea on what I’d call peaceful sleeping.

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  5. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    It’ll be interesting to see what Whale Oil has to shill about this.

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  6. Mobile Michael (443 comments) says:

    Bainiramama shows contempt for law and human rights. He is despicable and those who think because he is trying to take the racial preference for Fijians out of the constitution he is somehow worthy should be ashamed. Especially as they are often the same people who criticised Helen Clark and Labours unfair spending in 2005 and the subsequent Electoral Finance Act.

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  7. Grant Michael McKenna (1,159 comments) says:

    Personally I think that although an opponent might win the majority of the popular vote, Bainimarama will win the count.

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  8. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    MIA: his royal blubberyness. Last seen furiously tapping away at computer keyboard. Believed to have disappeared up own arse.

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  9. Psycho Milt (2,406 comments) says:

    I wasn’t aware their duties included torture

    The duties of a dictator’s security apparatus definitely include torture, beatings and sexual assault. Like our constitution, the duties are derived more from lengthy tradition than official documentation, but they definitely exist. If Frank doesn’t support his security apparatus in its torturing and beating, he can hardly expect it to support him in his dictatorship.

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  10. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Well call it torture if you like, but from what Ive read those two bums got exactly what they deserved – theyed been dishing out the same to innocent civilians theyd taken hostage.

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  11. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Yeah…they were innocents picked up randomly off the streets and subjected to torture by a murderous regime…or so David and the others would have you believe.

    http://www.fijisun.com.fj/2012/09/19/wanted-7/

    “The escapees are listed by the Corrections Service as:

    Isoa Waqa, 30, of Waitovu, Ovalau, who is serving eight years for robbery with violence;
    Solomoni Qurai, 28, of Tavuki, Kadavu, who is serving a life sentence for murder and was also convicted of burglary;
    Tevita Sugu, 29, of Tavuki, Kadavu, who is serving 13 years for aggravated robbery;
    Josaia Usumaki, 25, of Nakasaleka, Kadavu, who is serving 26 years for robbery with violence and related offences;
    and Epeli Qaraniqio, 30, of Lamiti, Gau, who is serving eight years for robbery with violence and related offences.”

    And what did they do when they escaped? Gave everyone cuddles? No they set about taking up from where they left off. Robbing, beating and attacking anyone who got in their way.

    “Ms Naisoro said on Monday at 10.50pm, a black Hyundai eight-seater van was reported stolen from Lower Ragg Avenue in Tamavua, Suva.
    At 12.30am a group of men robbed the Wishbone Restaurant in Centrepoint and stole the cash register.
    A report was then received from Muanikau where a group of men forcefully broke into a home and stole items worth at least $3900.
    Half an hour later a group of masked men armed with pinch bars and bottles entered and threatened the staff of the Peninsula Hotel in MacGregor Road, Suva, and stole items from the reception area worth $329.”

    Soooo…Phil Goff says that the incident that resulted after their re-capture will hurt tourism, but the escaped prisoners mashing up a hotel won’t have any effect?

    David asserts that the Commodore “may find that his support for torturers doesn’t go down that well with the voters.” On the contrary I think the locals in Suva would resoundingly support the Commodore for rounding a bunch of violent ratbags quick smart.

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  12. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    Whale Oil:

    Yeah…they were innocents picked up randomly off the streets and subjected to torture by a murderous regime…or so David and the others would have you believe.

    Do you take money from the Fijian government in order to make favourable postings on their behalf? I ask because you are on record as admitting you did take money but you won’t say who you did take money from other than to deny it’s the Port of Auckland (the other possible causes – gay marriage and anti-catholic church – don’t strike me as needing paid shills on their behalf).

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  13. Mobile Michael (443 comments) says:

    Sorry Cam, but military juntas, extra judicial punishment, and acceptance of torture by civilian police forces are just to Pinochet-like to be excused. I don’t deny these people are scum, but by becoming scum the Fijian police is just unacceptable.

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  14. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Metcalph…I am not on record as saying I take money…you could at least get your facts correct. But to answer your next question, no i do not.

    I was born in Fiji, I have a lot of friends and contacts in Fiji. I actually interview and ask people what is happening up there rather than Michel Field who interviews his keyboard or repeats anonymous blogs, along with DPF.

    I though I’d never see the day when DPF would support violent criminals escaping from prison, but then again he is a pinko, now he is a crim hugging pinko.

    Everyone makes the mistake of assuming Fiji is like Wellington, or Ponsonby or some other cafe filled latte drown suburban paradise…it is not…and never will be. Sitting in the beltway using the words of a cosseted repeater who interviewed his keyboard is not smart.

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  15. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    MM, I’d agree with you if this was common-place, visited upon the general population, or opposition politicians, union leaders and random passers-by, but it isn’t. It was escaped criminals who went on a violent rampage through Suva….they themselves bashed and beat people in conducting their rampage.

    The claims of torture are bullshit and trumped up, but then what do you expect from Michael Field.

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  16. CharlieBrown (994 comments) says:

    I’d rather be those “tortured” criminals in fiji than a person caught poluting in Singapore.

    You can tell that those people in the video showed restraint, the dogs weren’t let go to maul the prisoners, they loosened the leash to let the dogs nip them. They weren’t smashed around with a baseball bat, they were prodded with the butt. If they wre going to torture the person they would have did far more. What they did was knock the scum around a bit… like plenty of police in NZ have (and hopefully still do).

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  17. David Farrar (1,883 comments) says:

    I think if criminals escape from prison, you recapture them and you increase their sentence and stick them into a more secure prison.

    I don’t think you stick rods up their anus, or repeatedly smash their ankles with rods. It’s pretty simple. I believe Police should obey the law and there was no legal authority for them to torture the prisoners. If they were resisting arrest I’d be all for using the force needed to secure them without risk to officers. But these two guys were handcuffed and helpless.

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  18. UglyTruth (4,551 comments) says:

    And what did they do when they escaped? Gave everyone cuddles? No they set about taking up from where they left off. Robbing, beating and attacking anyone who got in their way.

    Hey Cam, you do understand the difference between them actually beating and attacking people and you just making shit up so that you don’t look like a drooling police state muppet, right?

    The crime that you mentioned is theft and robbery, not assault.

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  19. mara (763 comments) says:

    Some cultures are more savage than others. So what is the argument exactly?

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  20. CharlieBrown (994 comments) says:

    What prison were they from in Fiji? Is there a more secure prison for them to go to?

    Your idealistic if you think prison in itself is a sufficient deterrant for all prisoners.

    What we see in that video (with the exception of any sexual assault – unless he was a rapist) is something that probably happens alot in all countries… and I am OK if that happens.

    By the way – did they stick the rod right up or was it it prodded whilst he was wearing pants?

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  21. Chuck Bird (4,835 comments) says:

    He was so severely beaten his leg had to be amputated. Fiji’s military claimed he had lost his leg due to diabetes.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/8382549/Fiji-police-investigate-brutal-beating

    I have no doubt police have abused prisoners or people they recently captured in NZ. However, for a Head of State to say torture is acceptable either as summary justice or to extract information should be of concern. What we have here is state sponsored torture of prisoners.

    DPF, I disagree with you on your social agenda but you are on the money here. New Zealand and Oz should seriously consider whether we should give money that we can ill afford to Fiji.

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  22. CharlieBrown (994 comments) says:

    I’d be interested to see where stuff got the information about the cause of the amputation from. The people against the government there are just as likely to lie as the government is.

    If we are so totally against this thing then we should be doing more to support the government there rather than constantly admonish them. We have been such blind prats to bainarama that he doesn’t give a flying fuck what we thing anymore.

    And lets face it, if the headlines said “murderers and bank robbers tortured by Fijian police”, would there have been such a big hoohah?

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  23. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Of course he’ll stand by his men. He’ll need them, and more like them to ensure he ‘wins’ the elections.

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  24. Nostalgia-NZ (5,097 comments) says:

    Somewhere along the line it would be nice to think that ‘bad benny crap face’ finally woke up the fact of what an arse hole he is. Of course he will stick with his men, otherwise they’ll eat him.

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  25. gump (1,620 comments) says:

    Cameron Slater’s views on Bainimarama are pretty vile (just like the Commodore).

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/03/some-perspective-on-the-fiji-bashings-some-dodgy-ratbags-got-their-beans/

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  26. Dave Mann (1,207 comments) says:

    Hey, all you people who are decrying Whale and slagging him off here should click on the link above and just READ his post on this. There you’ll find that he has written quite a long and very thoughtful article which looks fair and sane to me. Read it.

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  27. wreck1080 (3,858 comments) says:

    Bananarama will get 100% of the vote in the next election anyway.

    He’s doing it Mugabe style.

    Perfect example of a person initially doing the ‘right’ thing (debatable at best) being subsequently corrupted by having power over the state.

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  28. CharlieBrown (994 comments) says:

    All you guys bleeting about fair elections in Fiji are fools. Do you think Pakistan is better off with democracy now? Before the military overruled islamists, now apostocy is punnishable by death. “Democracy” that we had in Fiji was a farce too, it was completely racist and corrupt… read wiki and tell me that if you were in bainarama’s position, would you have done differently?

    Do you know who forms part of his government? The last fairly elected leader overthrown by George Speight.

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