Here be trolls
March 11th, 2013 at 2:00 pm by David FarrarLee Suckling at Stuff has an in-depth article on trolling and bullying on-line. I’m one of those quoted in the story.
Trolling and cyber-bullying are related phenomena, although not interchangeable terms, argues David Farrar of the Wellington-based Kiwiblog.
“The intention of the troll is to disrupt, be provocative and get a reaction,” he says. “Trolling can be mixed with bullying, but cyber-bullying requires very personal, very vindictive behaviour; either of someone the bully has met in person, or someone in the public eye where there’s lots of personal information out there about them.”
Cyber-bullying often involves a sustained campaign against an individual, while trolling has no rhyme or reason, says Netsafe’s chief technology officer, Sean Lyons.
Trolls are just painful, while bullies are nasty.
A troll, conversely, deliberately goes against the grain of the other posts, with a goal of creating outrage among other commenters, Farrar adds. “Trolls say inflammatory things in lots of places: on popular blogs like Kiwiblog, in sections that allow comments on Trade Me, on Facebook and Twitter.
“They’re persistent for one or two reasons. Either they do it simply for the reaction or they use it as a weapon because they’re ideologically against whatever that blog or page is about.”
And a typical troll:
Farrar says his posts about religion always elicit trolls. “I have one troll, who goes by many fake identities, who I call a ‘Christian baiter’. He’ll jump into a post and say something like, ‘All Catholics are paedophiles’, then sit back and revel in the chaos caused.”
And Greer Berry on troll profiles:
Typecasting the typical troll is difficult. “The presumed profile of the troll is a single, unemployed, overweight white male with two cats,” says Greer Berry, former social media editor of stuff.co.nz.
“But in reality, trolls are working people, and they’re just as likely to be women – though they often go by male usernames online.”
I’ve noticed a lot of women use male usernames.
Related posts:
- More on patent trolls
- Death to Patent Trolls
- Dissent will not be tolerated
- December 2004 NZ Blog Statistics
March 11th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
First!
I like how the #1 related post is “Dissent will not be tolerated”..
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
As soon as I read “bullying on line” I didnt read any further……
Bullying on line – what a load of codswallop. If someone is feeling bullied on line – then they are masochists. Either turn it off or keep in touch and feel abused.
If you say on line – then you are attracting the idiots. If you feel abused – then you shouldnt be there AND youve got an awfully thin skin.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
First line of defense when losing an online debate…
Call them a troll and pander to the likeminded echo repeaters.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
And what do you call the rabble who rouse to the call of a racist ‘dog whistle’ rant…the National party faithful?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
I love it how the country’s biggest troll was talking about how bad trolls are…
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
“Farrar believes prosecution isn’t necessary in most trolling cases”
This article is a typical mainstream media load of bullshit, and if anyone does not know by now that the push to deal with so called bullying and trolling is just another scam by government to allow them to control dissent on the internet, then they need they’re heads read.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
BTW, interesting revelation by Slater-
“marriage equality is a favoured topic of his to blog about because of the response it elicits.”
Another BTW- it is not “marriage equality”.
It is redefinition of traditional marriage, as the bill’s name implies (Redefinition of Marriage Bill).
Lay off the insulting infantile propaganda FFS….
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
It’s all the catholic paedophiles’ fault….
(did i win?)
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
And I still believe Redbaiter is a far-left troll, FWIW
Indisputably the greatest of them all.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
No Roflcopter, its all John Keys fault….
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Sure. If you ignore it it can’t possibly hurt you.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Is fomenting happy mischief a form of trolling?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
@Redbaiter
You do realise that you’re one of DPF’s trolls?
Don’t you?
[DPF: No I don't think he is. I think Redbaiter genuinely believes what he says. He has a provocative commenting style but I don't think his intention is to disrupt. I think his intention is to say what he thinks on issues.
Trolls on the other hand are just wanting to disrupt a thread]
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Sounds like something a gnome or a leprechaun might aspire to, rather than a troll Pete..
I’m more a pig wrestler if I were to think about it.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Is this where I say we should kill all Queers, Jews and Justin Bieber fans?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Tom hurt my feelings.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Here’s my razor blade wat…now go play in the middle of the road!
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
If you haven’t seen this, it’s worth a laugh: http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/the-twat-o-tron/
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me if he was a troll RRM.
His responses seem so over the top as to be completely disconnected from reality. More a parody than someone with an actual ideological position.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Black hurt my self-esteem.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Nope. Red’s for real.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
“@Redbaiter You do realise that you’re one of DPF’s trolls? Don’t you?”
A good example of how dangerous this whole concept is, in that partisan cowards on the internet will misapply the word “troll” merely because of some petty and personal grudge (usually of a political nature) they may hold towards another commenter.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
@Redbaiter
So you’re saying you don’t realise it.
Hmmm. A lack of awareness.
Have you ever been diagnosed with Anti-social Personality Disorder? You fit almost all of the diagnostic criteria.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
“His responses seem so over the top as to be completely disconnected from reality. More a parody than someone with an actual ideological position.”
Maybe you are the one who is disconnected. I have the highest comment rating on Whale’s blog. I have never made any secret of the fact that my comments are frequently designed to puncture the complacency of smug simpering one dimensional leftists. (like you)
Gump– you are a coward and a liar. You also said engaging with Redbaiter was like wrestling with a pig. So do yourself a favour you wet little commie yellow back and fuck off.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Let sleeping does lie in a bed of their own making and let them wake up with fleas when their master whistles.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
They got you hook, line, and sinker there Red!
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Gazz, you’re just another disgusting coward. If there’s any chance of a leftist smear, you’re always there with bells on.
See, I put one of those obsequious smilies at the end of it, for this is the technique the far left RRM uses to defuse any allegation of trolling that might be applied in respect of his frequently pointless comments.
“Red’s for real.”
Damn right. Always have been, always will be.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Red
Whale has nearly five times what you have, not surprisingly. I had a quick check and others also have more, eg cows4me 3425 to your 2233, and others. Even I have nearly as many and I deliberately post things I know will count me down.
It looks a bit desperate claiming success from an easily jacked up blog rating.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
@PG,
Red evaluates worth according to the number of ‘thumbs ups’ he gets on Whale’s site. Each upward thumb on his comment is interpreted by him as a resounding endorsement of his views.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
My rating is four times that of the Beige Bludger.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Reddy almost get fifty likes once
Vote:He is such a hero
March 11th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Actually I got more than twice that once Grief, and that was a legitimate vote too.
But I know it really doesn’t matter, otherwise people would be mentioning it all the time.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Crap Red. Your current count is 2233, mine is 2153. If I saw any point I could better you tomorrow, one way of doing it would be to poke the borax at you. But I don’t thumb whore like you.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
No you silly little weirdo.
Vote:I dont give a flying rats arse for how many likes I get.
Posting rubbish to be liked is easy red.
Controversial topic, post early, post as the majority see it, instant likes feast.
Sycophants dont get me hot unlike some whose self respect depends on the views of others.
Oh and the compulsory smiley from a liberal pwogressive with love
March 11th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
It would be so cool to be the first Troll on a Troll thread, but I think I’ve been beaten to that (several times already).
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
The most pathetic trolls are on NBR and Stuff. They are usually Lefties with just enough functioning brain cells to be able to hit the dislike button but not nearly enough to mount a counter-argument of any kind. I presume, like Orcs, they are rounded up and sent out by Party Central to poison the water and spread havoc amongst the population.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
I am currently running at an average of over 12.5 votes per comment Beigey.
You’re running at about 2.8. (IIRC)
There is a galaxy between us. One you with your cowardly smears and grey gutless opinions will never cross.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Fellow DPF stalkers and closet Trolls, it’s not all about the numbers. As I said to His Whaleyness while he did a brain and verbiage protectile vomit explode at me on Fb a few days ago, “There are more flies at the tip, CS, than in a fine restaurant.”
Numbers snumbers.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
“I dont give a flying rats arse for how many likes I get.”
Well that’s a good thing. You’d probably be looking for a set of razor blades and running a warm bath if you did.
Not to mention whether you’d ever find the arse of a flying rat.
(Just to give the troll police something to eye pop over)
BTW, you need to get with Kovacs (above) and work out who is right.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Red claims he’s right because he’s popular
That’s pretty funny
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
“Red claims he’s right because he’s popular”
Where did I claim that Jappy?
Maybe a few more English lessons necessary before you seriously venture into blog commenting.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Its called Democracy Daigotsu…..its why things in the country are so fucked.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
I read that article with amazement on Saturday, especially Whale Oil’s accounts of his trolls, which included “conservative Christians”. So, disagreeing with him is considered trolling. And he didn’t mention his constant Catholic baiting, funny that.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Ah Red, you’re claiming superiority on average likes per comment. Your fly by raids abusing Whale get a lot of amusement thumbs.
Ok, that makes you much more popular than Whale Oil. Being that popular your own blog must rate right up there alongside Whale Oil and Kiwiblog then.
Ah, no, not quite. According to Alexa…
Whale Oil 52,213, NZ 70
Vote:Kiwiblog 88,661, NZ 160
Trueblue 1,886,960, NZ 7,428
March 11th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
“Jappy”? Wow, really?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Yes, amazing that isn’t it Beigy, considering I might post once in a couple of months and Whale and Kiwiblog do anything from 6 to 30 posts a day. And here’s you with your fucking supercilious and smug crap every day on Yawnz, and blog whoring all over the net, and yet you can’t break 1 million. Go away will you you tiresome try hard bore. Good grief.
Lucia- “So, disagreeing with him is considered trolling.”
Yep, that’s always the danger, especially with the totalitarian left.
““Jappy”? Wow, really?”
Jus guessin’, could be Korean I suppose.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Actually I was born and raised in ChCh, but I fail to see how my race has anything to do with my point.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Red,
At least it’s getting more obvious to the readers as time goes on. See the comment on this thread by Gazzaw:
20 up votes, which quite a lot.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
You’re fibbing again Red, blatant lying. I thought you would check.
But I admit I provide nothing like the entertainment value that you do.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
And before you go off and call me a communist or something, I am a paid subscriber to the Cato Institute, I voted for Alan Keyes in 2008, and I am a big fan of Anne Coulter.
The thing you fail to realise, Red, is that you are not some kind of gatekeeper, and your personal approval isn’t required for anyone to call themself a conservative.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
“Yep, that’s always the danger, especially with the totalitarian left.”
That well-known leftist Whaleoil being the case in point
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Red, I assume you mean well educated, hard working and gainfully employed ? ( Oh and very right wing politically)
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Um Pete,
When you misunderstand the initial comment made by Redbaiter, which talked about popularity and not number of comments, I’d back off if I were you. Unless you have a specific lie you’d like to point out.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Red…. whoops I warned you too late. Bet you feel like a dick now !
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Daigotsu, I think your race is relative because you seem to have inordinate trouble reading English. First of all you claimed I said something I didn’t, then you tired to deflect from that by making an issue of your race, and now you’re saying I think you’re a communist when I don’t know the first thing about you, and also that I am some kind of self appointed gate keeper when I don’t really care what you are or what your race is or what political persuasion you may have.
You’re not just trying to troll me are you?
BTW, Alan Keyes? Good for you. I like him too.
Li
Kea- “Bet you feel like a dick now !”
How much you wanna bet?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Lucia Maria – he knows which one.
And I’m sure you often don’t join in on forums commenting to get “likes”, you know it will often be the opposite. Your average vote per comment at Whale Oil is much lower than Red (closer to most of the rest of us), but I’d bet you’d have much more credibility and respect.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Red may not feel like a dick, but he certainly looks like one. A red dick – caused by too much self stimulation.
Watch out Red, if you keep doing that you’ll go blind.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Lucia- “At least it’s getting more obvious to the readers as time goes on.”
It sure is to me. They guy is just a lamer.
Beigey- Wouldn’t have a clue. Why don’t you surprise me and be specific. (if its at all possible) As for “right wing”, if he voted for Keyes there is some help. (someone you’d never vote for.)
Kea- “I assume you mean well educated, hard working and gainfully employed ?”
Wouldn’t have a clue. I was merely remarking on the unusual nature of his handle and wondering at its origins. Is that OK?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Fucked that edit up-
Here’s what I meant to say:
Beigey- Wouldn’t have a clue. Why don’t you surprise me and be specific. (if its at all possible)
Kea- “I assume you mean well educated, hard working and gainfully employed ?”
Wouldn’t have a clue. I was merely remarking on the unusual nature of his handle and wondering at its origins. Is that OK?
As for “right wing”, if he voted for Keyes there is some hope. (someone you’d never vote for.)
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
One hand on the keyboard will do that for you Red.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
gazzmaniac, if it were my blog, a comment like your 6:55pm would be deleted. It’s just so unnecessary, and disgusting.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
They dont need cyber bully laws to control dissent, bloggers just delete you for having different opinions. My reply to the Daily Blogs mudslinging at climate realists today was dissent not trolling AND was gone pronto. What is the point of Gestapo type media?? I’ve had no answer from your nemesis blog as to why or who deleted my musings. Daily Blog staff… Al Gore…. space aliens? Judge for yourself if my “daily blog” contribution needed the censors black out;
“None of the realists I know deny climate change or anthropogenic warming, what we do scoff at is the idea that it is or could ever be significant and make a jot of difference given mankinds tiny contribution to C02 as a % of total CO2 and as well given the minor role of CO2 in climate overall. There is a clear history that MANY scientists are aware; solid evidence that a crisis panic has been generated for other than environmental motives (now thats a whole other rabbit hole).
To ignore the solid evidence of the Club of Romes involvement in hatching and disseminating UN Agenda 21, which makes global warming the lynchpin to engineer consent for a whole different political system – with UN directed communitarianism combined with private public partnerships, is incomplete investigative journalism that doesnt serve the public well imo.
Something like not seeing the woods for the trees, but actually its ok to be green and not have a cardiac over the false threat, it means real issues can instead be focussed on! Bomber have you looked at both sides here?
2 vids regarding the big picture context show this issue is not as simple as the MSM presents it (I do kinda expect better from you than MSM mimicry!) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sES6_OXPwOU this is an Oz MP
and here a US property lawyer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7T7ulzNG7o
I can assure you my realism/scepticism (I dont appreciate being associated to a holocaust denier ) has nothing to do with being a consumerist as I’m not… it has to do with the fact I’m university degreed in a science so can’t just take things based on who has the biggest propaganda machine, inquiry 1st is default.
Post 2 was deleted as well: it was a brief mention (I hadnt copied to reproduce per se) that many political persuasions and libertarians concerned about erosion of constitutional rights saw a new U.S. Bill just introduced to defeat Agenda 21 (the alleged answer to the alleged problem of global warning). I then posted this link http://spreadlibertynews.com/oklahoma-bill-that-would-block-agenda-21-passes-house-committee/
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Feeding the troll is almost as bad.
That philu used to be quite a troll.
What happened to him?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Like water off a duck’s back Lucia.
Commenters such as Gazz never really have anything to say (outside of conventional progressive doctrine) even when its not vulgar.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
2012, you summed it up wonderfully.
However the Griff troll creature will be after you, just as soon as he finishes his joint and his lentil patties.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Oh, your are popular Red, someone even liked your stuffed up edit.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Red – it’s much more fun to troll you than to engage in serious debate. Your responses are in a similar vein whether I’m being serious or not, so I might as well stir you up deliberately. You missed the apostraphe in it’s, since in that instance it’s an abbreviation.
Lucia – what’s to say I wasn’t talking about his holding a cup of coffee?
I think something like 70% of all internet traffic is used to distribute content that has something to do with genitals.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
@2012. Did you honestly expect peace, love and tolerance from a man called Bomber? The Daily Blog is about astro-turfing and not a forum for interacting or anything passing for debate. Whoever is funding it will have expectations of writers maintaining the party line. Lefties who dislike being told what is PC thinking, and how to stand in line or who to bow and grovel for, will be forced to step center right. The DB censors, on the plus side, may create an influx of wall jumpers. Welcome to a new more vocal life here where the speech flows free. Cheers.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
See.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
So you couldn’t be specific about the lie right Beigey?
IOW, it was just another of the usual cowardly and baseless smears that you constantly drop all over the net without a pang of conscience.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
“and yet you can’t break 1 million”
Global rank is under 1 million. Yours is 1,886,960.
And claiming to be the most popular on Whale Oil is nonsense.
How’s your conscience?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Yes, what happened to Philu ? Has he had all his entitlements taken off him !!
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Nah he got kicked out of the library.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Gazza- “Red – it’s much more fun to troll you than to engage in serious debate. ”
Very brave of you to openly admit to being a troll Gazz, especially on a thread like this.
Beigey- “Global rank is under 1 million.”
http://www.webstatsdomain.com/domains/yournz.org/
Let’s see if you have the decency to withdraw and apologize.
On second thoughts don’t worry. What is the value of an apology and withdrawal from someone of such low repute as yourself?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
I’m not disputing that I troll people sometimes, and that you’re easy to stir up. As somebody at the top of the thread commented, if you don’t like being trolled you can always close the page. Naturally I assume you love it Red.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
@ Gazzmaniac
What do you mean he got kicked out of the library ?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Red, I clearly stated Alexa. And there you are again, finding whatever statistics back up your bullshit. Webstatsdomain is obviously out of date. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/yournz.org
Are you decent enough to apologise? The lowness of your repute is at stake.
And there’s also the small matter of being the most popular on Whale Oil.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
stigie – it’s a comment he [philu] made years ago about being so poor that he had to use the internet at the local library instead of at home. It turned out not to be the case.
Vote:I guess you had to be there.
March 11th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
…unless there are public libraries that are open 18 hours a day
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Sorry, this is what Red claimed – “I have the highest comment rating on Whale’s blog.”
He later revised that to “I am currently running at an average of over 12.5 votes per comment” when it was pointed out that others have much higher numbers of likes. And others have a much higher rate of commenting.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
“Red, I clearly stated Alexa.”
And that is what the site I referenced states as the Alexa ranking. As for whether you can crow about being .004% under 1 million on an updated stat and call that a win I don’t think so. For all your effort in beavering away every day with your smug obsequious crap, and whoring it all over everyone else’s site every day, Yawnz is an abject failure.
“And there’s also the small matter of being the most popular on Whale Oil.”
Find someone with a upvote average that exceeds 12.5 per comment then. Of course when you have a rating as low as yours is (what is that 2.5?) of course you’re going to say its meaningless.
Beigey- the king of weasel worded cringe.
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
So you don’t know if you have the highest average, you just claimed it?
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Weeeel one things for sure, love him or hate him, red has every right to comment and speak his mind, just like every one of us.
I enjoy the balance that red brings, I do not have to agree with his every utterance, but I certainly agree with some of it.
You carry on red, it is your right……until DPF has had a gutsful !!!!
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
out of retirement lofty
watching Red and Pete argue over their averages is like watching people brag about representing their province at Morris Dancing
Not a single fuck was given
Vote:March 11th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Gidday PaulEB, yup back from time to time, it seems that the blowhard Chris something or the other has either fucked off or at least realised that the sun doesn’t shine out of his arse, so I am puttin a toe back in the water
Good to,see you are still keeping up the end of logic and common sense. Carry on mate.
Vote:March 12th, 2013 at 5:37 am
Interesting. I wonder what will happen when we are able to translate thought to digital format? We are close to controlling prosthetics with thought so, it is only logical to predict this will come about.
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