The Boston killers

April 21st, 2013 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

The surviving suspect in the Marathon bombing lay hospitalised under heavy guard as people across the area breathed easier and investigators tried to piece together the motive for the deadly plot.

Dzhokar Tsarnaev, 19, was reported in serious condition and unable to be interrogated the morning after he was pulled, wounded and bloody, from a boat parked in the backyard of a home in Watertown, Massachusetts. 

The capture came at the end of a tense day that began with his older brother, Tamerlan, dying in a desperate getaway attempt.

President Barack Obama said there are many unanswered questions about the Boston bombings, including whether the Tsarnaev brothers – ethnic Chechens from southern Russia who had been in the US for about a decade and lived in the Boston area – had help from others.

“When a tragedy like this happens, with public safety at risk and the stakes so high, it’s important that we do this right,” Obama said. 

“That’s why we take care not to rush to judgment – not about the motivations of these individuals, certainly not about entire groups of people.”

However, Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau told CNN the early indications were that the brothers did act alone.

That appears to be the case. In fact it seems the (deceased) older brother probably put his younger brother up to it.

It is still a very distressing case. The two killers were relatively well integrated it seems, but the older brother appears to have become a radical Islamist. Hopefully we may learn from the surviving brother if there was a specific trigger that led to this.

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84 Responses to “The Boston killers”

  1. Michael (880 comments) says:

    From the sounds of reports, Tamerlan found getting work and friends an issue. So, falling in with radical Islam was a shortcut to acceptance – just say death to America and you’re in.

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  2. kowtow (6,720 comments) says:

    You want a specific trigger?

    Look no further than the Muslim holy book,the literal word of Allah.

    It’s beyond time for the west to wake up to the fact that Islam is diametrically opposed to our civilisation and has always been at war with its neighbours. Always.It’s in the Koran.

    Wake up.

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  3. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    His mother says he was framed.

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  4. davidp (3,326 comments) says:

    This is interesting background: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/19/relatives-marathon-bombing-suspects-worried-that-older-brother-was-corrupting-sweet-younger-sibling/UCYHkiP9nfsjAtMjJPWJJL/story.html

    “I used to warn Dzhokhar that Tamerlan was up to no good,” Zaur Tsarnaev, who identified himself as a 26-year-old cousin, said in a phone interview from Makhachkala, Russia, where the brothers briefly lived. “[Tamerlan] was always getting in trouble. He was never happy, never cheering, never smiling. He used to strike his girlfriend. . . . He was not a nice man.”

    And this sounds like a very Islamist way to die. Coincidence?…

    “Gym owner Allan said that Tamerlan had once introduced him to an American, Brendan Mess, whom Tamerlan described as his best friend. Two years ago, Mess and two other men were brutally killed in a Waltham apartment where they were found by police with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. The murders remain unsolved. “

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  5. All_on_Red (952 comments) says:

    Interesting that he has NOT been read his rights. The FBI have invoked a little used exemption to avoid that and have named him an Enemy of the State. He may be tried in a Military Tribunal but even if he gets to Court, who will defend him?
    Alan Dershowitz? :-)

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  6. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Hmmnnn…

    CNN is not reliable, and the Watertown Police Chief would know only what he sees in front of him.

    I suggest the Saudi suspect and his family links the nasty Q might turn out to be connected.

    Interesting also that the Obamas are in some way connected to the Saudi, and that he is now being deported, is it not?

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  7. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    All in Red…
    The prick is a US citizen is he not?

    They cannot go the enemy of the state route because of that.
    Looks like route, and fate, as McVey (?)

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  8. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    Interesting that he has NOT been read his rights. The FBI have invoked a little used exemption to avoid that and have named him an Enemy of the State. He may be tried in a Military Tribunal but even if he gets to Court, who will defend him?

    His mother!!!

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  9. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    Bloody contradictory article.

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  10. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    http://theanti-media.org/2013/04/19/boston-suspects-mother-he-was-counseled-by-fbi-for-three-five-years-video/

    The simultaneous ricin attacks indicate a psyop which is what they do these days prior to military action. So watch Syria.

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  11. All_on_Red (952 comments) says:

    flipper
    Yes he is a US Citizen, his brother only had a Green card. Still they haven’t read him his rights so something is up.

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  12. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    The terrorists are devout followers of the religion of peace.
    Was there any surprise their aim was to kill innocent people as ordered by their paedophile prophet?

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  13. metcalph (1,293 comments) says:

    Still they haven’t read him his rights so something is up.

    It’s not that much of a big deal. They already have enough evidence to convict him so they don’t need a confession out of him. What they want is stuff like was he working with anybody else or are there any other bombs. If he makes a statement incriminating somebody else then that statement is admissable because the miranda warning is only to prevent self-incrimination.

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  14. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    All in Red…

    Yep. But what?

    Some heavyweight US Senators (Dem and Rep) are now advocating Miranda…but also advocating access by US intelligence agencies and their (waterboarding or chemical?) interrogation.

    There is a slippery slope there, and a real test of the US Constitution and law.

    Question: Can his citizenship be revoked since it is of recent date?

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  15. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    The early photo of the Saudi showed him with two other young men. He was darker skinned than them and had the mandatory M/E moustache.

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  16. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    For kowtow, manolo, and any other retards who are blaming Islam for this psyop:

    http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/

    (don’t look if fake blood and fake prosthetic injuries make you squeamish)

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  17. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Some headlines:
    ‘Why did Boston brothers turn rogue?’
    ‘Boston bombings: Search for a motive’
    ‘Hunt for a motive’
    ‘US seeks motive for bombings’

    Here’s a wee clue:
    Like almost every other terrorist attack – over 20,00 since 9/11– The common factor is the vile Islam.

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  18. Paul G. Buchanan (301 comments) says:

    Here is my read on how terrorism in the US is interpreted. It tries to put things into broader narrative context: http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2013/04/deconstructing-the-us-terrorism-meta-narrative/

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  19. Andrei (2,431 comments) says:

    Can his citizenship be revoked since it is of recent date?

    Yes

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States

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  20. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    Manolo, your slander isn’t a motive for the Boston debacle.

    Why did Boston brothers turn rogue? You could ask the FBI, who was controlling Tamerlan, according to his mother.

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  21. Fentex (663 comments) says:

    Juan Cole muses on the family’s background with some interesting observations.

    Seems like a loser who found religion and rather like frustrated loons who shoot up schools lashed out, feeling like a big man getting attention to buttress a weak ego – assured by others they’d be lionised.

    A broken unit.

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  22. flipper (3,274 comments) says:

    Andrei..
    Thanks :)

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  23. kowtow (6,720 comments) says:

    uglytruth

    Stick to facts ,

    His mother would say that wouldn’t she?

    Psyop?

    Yes ,being conducted by “progressive” politicians to destroy the west.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

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  24. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    kowtow (4,163) Says:
    April 21st, 2013 at 11:09 am

    You want a specific trigger?

    Look no further than the Muslim holy book,the literal word of Allah.

    It’s beyond time for the west to wake up to the fact that Islam is diametrically opposed to our civilisation and has always been at war with its neighbours. Always.It’s in the Koran.

    Wake up.

    What, you mean this?

    6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

    Oh wait, that’s the Bible. You reveal the grace of Christianity as always kowtow, you make non-Christians want to turn their hearts to Christ because of your perfect example of love towards others of different faiths.

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  25. kowtow (6,720 comments) says:

    fentex

    the “broken units” are his victims.

    He chose to attack maim and inflict evil.

    This making out the terrorists to be some sort of victm is disgusting.

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  26. kowtow (6,720 comments) says:

    jimmy smits,anti Christian Muslim apologist has joined the party with an utterly irrelevant post.

    thanks jimmy,now back to your meds.

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  27. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    and rather like frustrated loons who shoot up schools lashed out

    LOL

    He lashed out so hard that he took his backpack with him.

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  28. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    Stick to facts

    Here’s a fact for you, kowtow. When people get their legs blown off the wounds bleed profusely, but fake prosthetic injuries don’t bleed at all.

    http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/

    If you don’t like fake blood and gore you could always try to explain why the remains of the exploded backpack was originally carried around by one of the security guys (from the youtube video I just posted).

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  29. Ed Snack (1,539 comments) says:

    Ugly, look closely at that video, there’s no backpack, just shadowing on the wall behind. That guy is full of shit.

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  30. JMS (201 comments) says:

    UglyTruth,

    if only you had remebered to put on your tin foil hat this morning, we would have been spared all of your bullshit.

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  31. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    there’s no backpack, just shadowing on the wall behind.

    It isn’t shadowing on the wall. Do you see any other shadows, like under the people in the foreground, for example?

    if only you had remebered to put on your tin foil hat this morning, we would have been spared all of your bullshit.

    I’m not the one who got sucked in by the FBI’s conspiracy theory.

    “Other photos will not be deemed credible” ~ FBI

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  32. Fairfacts Media (370 comments) says:

    The reason for the bombing is as clear for anyone to see.
    The poor little brothers didn’t have many friends.
    The precious petals felt alienated from society.
    Perhaps one didn’t get much sex, though the other apparently has a girlfriend, that he liked to give the bash.

    So what do you do in these circumstances?
    As I have posted over at Crusader Rabbit.
    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=17661

    Instead, the motive is a cry for help, as I quote the Herald story this morning.

    “Religious belief does not appear to be the key personal factor,” Jenkins said. Participants have been motivated by “grievance, sense of anger, desire for revenge, feelings of humiliation, desire to demonstrate manhood, participation in an epic struggle, thirst for glory.”

    So yes, killing people, including an eight year-old boy is to “demonstrate manhood!”

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, he’s the man! he’s the man! That’s how progressives see it.

    If ever you feel depressed, a little down and not very manly, you know the solution, kill people, including children, that’s what the left tell us.

    On the other hand it could be Islam. You only have to look at the videos the brothers were watching, or even see the words in the Koran itself.

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  33. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    So, the reason is clear, but on the other hand it could be Islam?

    You could have saved everyone’s time by just admitting that you have no clue – which is obvious since you haven’t even woken up to the fact that it wasn’t a bombing in the usual sense.

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  34. Jack5 (4,224 comments) says:

    This is a disappointment to John Campbell of TV3.

    He looked quite smug the other night when he implied that early evidence showed this was the work of (American) home-grown Right-wing extremists.

    Campbell is so emtional he’s transparent.

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  35. pq (728 comments) says:

    yeak,
    yeah,
    lets close down America and scare them, again
    did I say again,
    what evidence do you have for your propaganda farrar
    USA find a suspect and kill like Lee Harvey Oswald,
    there are no conspiracy’s in America, this is the land of the free and brave officer,
    average intelligence snail, shoot here

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  36. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    The fact the attackers were Muslim does not prove religion was the motivation.

    How about this nice Christian boy ?

    “Timothy James “Tim” McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American terrorist who detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing, the attack killed 168 people and injured over 800.[3] It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.[3] As of 2013, the bombing remains the deadliest act of domestic terrorism in United States history.”

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  37. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    “He looked quite smug the other night when he implied that early evidence showed this was the work of (American) home-grown Right-wing extremists.”

    Yes that is the default setting for our grubby left wing media hacks. Maggots like Campbell are why I now watch no TV at all.

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  38. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    the attack killed 168 people and injured over 800

    McVeigh’s detonation wasn’t responsible for the deaths and injuries. The first group of detonations was ten seconds before McVeigh’s fertilizer/fuel bomb exploded.

    http://www.okcbombingtruth.com/

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  39. Rightandleft (574 comments) says:

    I wonder if this will make Massachusetts consider reinstating the death penalty there. The feds are handling this one so the death penalty is an option. I also wonder if it will have any effect on Maryland, which will vote on eliminating their death penalty in a referendum at the next election.

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  40. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    The FBI are hunting for a 12-strong “sleeper cell” in Boston. What’s the bet that they helped the two brothers with the technical expertise required for their arsenal of ‘sophisticated’ bombs?
    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/04/fbi-hunting-12-strong-terrorist-sleeper.html

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  41. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    The FBI are hunting for a 12-strong “sleeper cell” in Boston.

    Anything to draw attention away from the Craft security guys and their black backpacks.

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/04/19/why-did-fbi-fake-boston-bomber-surveillance-video/

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  42. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    And still, we import more muslims into New Zealand. WHY ?

    In 40 short years muslims have gone from zilch to 40,000 or 1% of our population.

    How stupid can we be ?

    The basic tenent of their sick religion is that the infidel (us) has to submit to islam or die.

    What benefit can muslims immigrants ever bring to New Zealand ?

    Why not just dump political correctness, recognise the risk and say, ‘No more muslims.’ ?

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  43. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    McVeigh’s detonation wasn’t responsible for the deaths and injuries. The first group of detonations was ten seconds before McVeigh’s fertilizer/fuel bomb exploded.

    For Fucks Sake

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  44. Rightandleft (574 comments) says:

    Blaming all Muslims for what this pair did is foolish. I have Muslim immigrant students who are as happy to become Kiwis as any other immigrants. Many of them left their homes to flee these Islamist radicals. Most Muslims look at these bombers the way Christians look at Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK, as extremist nuts.

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  45. KevinH (1,129 comments) says:

    President Barrack Obama said:

    “That’s why we take care not to rush to judgment – not about the motivations of these individuals, certainly not about entire groups of people.”

    Regardless of that statement Americans will now be looking sideways at Chechen refugees and also rushing out and stocking up on ammo and new handguns. An incident such as the Boston Bombings has a polarising effect on local residents who will now inadvertently discriminate against Chechens and of course Muslims in general.

    My view is that the Watertown Police Dept did an excellent job in catching these terrorists and I shed no tears over the subsequent death of the older brother in a shootout. It would have been difficult for the officers not to shoot to kill considering the atrocities committed by these deranged young men who as their Uncle described were a couple of losers.
    I also have no time for conspiracy theories, the theory on this thread is amusing but as usual total bull.

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  46. Rightandleft (574 comments) says:

    I don’t think Americans will suddenly turn against Chechens. I was in high school in Boston when 9/11 happened and the day after it happened one kid in my class said we shouldn’t buy things from the vendor in the local subway station because he was “one of them.” Everyone in our group told him off and made a point of buying something from the vendor’s cart that day.

    In the aftermath of 9/11 there were only a handful of anti-Muslim incidents around the US. I don’t think that will suddenly change now. And as for stocking up on weapons, people have been doing that since Obama suggested tougher gun laws following Newtown.

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  47. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    How stupid can we be ?

    Pretty fucking stupid, clinging to prejudice and ignoring the facts.

    The basic tenent of their sick religion is that the infidel (us) has to submit to islam or die.

    Actually the fundamental tenet is justice. Judaism is big on that as well, and Islam honours Moses as a prophet.

    And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
    Genesis 17:20

    For Fucks Sake

    Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

    Take the Stinger missile defendant James Cromitie, a low-level drug dealer with a criminal record that included no violence or hate crime, despite his rants against Jews. “He was searching for answers within his Islamic faith,” said his lawyer, Clinton W. Calhoun III, who has appealed his conviction. “And this informant, I think, twisted that search in a really pretty awful way, sort of misdirected Cromitie in his search and turned him towards violence.”

    THE informer, Shahed Hussain, had been charged with fraud, but avoided prison and deportation by working undercover in another investigation. He was being paid by the F.B.I. to pose as a wealthy Pakistani with ties to Jaish-e-Mohammed, a terrorist group that Mr. Cromitie apparently had never heard of before they met by chance in the parking lot of a mosque.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all

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  48. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay,

    UglyTruth has revealed themselves as a true fuckwit.

    A fuckwit of the first order
    Lets profile this fuckwit.

    The first thing you can glean is that he/she is 17/22 years old.
    comes from a lefty/liberal home.

    Single parent.
    If mother, mother has decided that she is now a lesbian. If father, a weakling.

    Has narcistict tendencies, delusions of grandeur.
    Very high opinion of themself.

    Came under the influence of a socialist teacher.

    Commutes on a bicycle.

    A member of Young Labour or Greenpeace.

    Probably a vegan, or at least a healthy eater.

    Revears Helen Clark.

    Lives in Hamilton/Christchurch or similar town.

    Supports homosexual marriage, etc, etc,

    Others may care to add observations about this type of fuckwit.

    It will end in a very accurate profile.

    Someone is sure to recognise him/her.

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  49. kowtow (6,720 comments) says:

    bereal

    a few of those could apply to paul easty the beasty.

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  50. cha (3,539 comments) says:

    The tin foil hat version.
    /

    http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap

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  51. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    From Bill Muehlenberg http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2013/04/20/boston-islam-and-terrorism/

    “So it seems once again we have another example of the religion of peace in action. In fact, since 9/11, just 12 years ago, there have been over 20,000 Islamic terrorist attacks – 20,730 to be exact. Consider the month of March just passed: there were 189 jihad attacks in 21 countries resulting in 988 deaths and 2093 injuries.”

    Look people the problem is Islam. Killing the infidel is perfectly consistent with its central tenants. More from Bill’s blog

    “All true Muslims are to pattern their lives after what Muhammad has done. Thus if he had many wives, so too the devout Muslim. If he married young girls, so too can Muslims. If he killed for the faith, led raiding parties, and killed his enemies, then so too the true Muslim today.

    Indeed they are commanded to do such killing in the authoritative Islamic documents. Slaying the infidel for Allah is not only enjoined upon the faithful, but if one dies in the attempt, it is the only sure guarantee of making it into paradise. So there is an extra added incentive for Muslims to follow in the footsteps of their prophet here.

    So we should not be surprised that the Boston bombings have turned out to be yet another Islamic terror attack. And we should not be surprised that it is basically left to the alternative media to get the truth on these matters out there into the wider public.

    Dhimmitude and creeping sharia are alive and well in the US and the West. And so is the rising body count.”

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  52. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    Only two, I have a very high opinion of myself especially over support for allowing the homo’s to marry

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  53. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    Lets profile this fuckwit.

    Well, bereal, since you are so big on slander in the context of religion, here’s a definiton for you:

    Strong’s G1228 – diabolos
    1) prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
    a) a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,

    AV — devil 35, false accuser 2, slanderer 1

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  54. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Next points in the profile. As evidenced above.

    Very thin skinned.
    When provoked decends into semi coherent argument.
    Full of rage and hatred.

    A pathetic specimen.

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  55. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    Killing the infidel is perfectly consistent with its central tenants

    Just as is showing no hostility towards those who desist in fighting or oppression.

    And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.”
    (Qur’an, 2:190-192)

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  56. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    When provoked decends into semi coherent argument.

    What argument would you like me to clarify, Bereal?

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  57. kowtow (6,720 comments) says:

    jack5

    Campbell will be just one of many left wing repeaters who were desperate for the jihad murderers to have been a white American.

    tosser

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  58. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Look people the problem is Islam.

    Look people what they want you to think is that the problem is Islam.

    You can either do what they want or you can think for yourself.

    Despite the cognitive dissonance such thinking temporarily will bring, if you haven’t yet started doing that.

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  59. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Next point.

    Ignorant. Pig ignorant ( to use a term muslims will understand)

    Do i need to point out how this ignorant fuckwit has just sabotaged his own silly argument
    with the effort they have just posted @ 5.39 above.

    That is my last word on this subject.

    An idiot like UglyTruth only deserves ridicule and derision.

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  60. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    Well, you can hardly explain the alleged sabotage if that was your last word, can you?

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  61. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,787 comments) says:

    Good of Helen Clark to take 130 mainly young men from Afghanistan in as refugees from the MV Tampa back in 2001.

    Wouldn’t want them to have become terrorists in Afghanistan would we?

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  62. remo (7 comments) says:

    It is against the ODDS for this NOT to be staged ‘false flag’ type attack ! Do some research. Contract killers did this. The killing is REAL. The EVENT is ‘staged’. Deep-state EXISTS. Not Paranoia. SCAD exist. Refer to operation GLADIO specific to Boston. Do some research. Bologna Bombing 1980 MO. NATO/GLADIO terror attack on civilians killed 85. REAL people! to push program, never stopped . Refer FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds : GLADIO became GLADIO[b] now run out of specific Pentagon Dept.
    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/04/19/usa-the-creator-sustainer-of-chechen-terrorism/
    Research P2OG “Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group to carry out secret missions designed to provoke terrorist groups into committing violent acts of social violence to meet political and economic needs of new US militarism.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive,_Preemptive_Operations_Group
    Refer NORTHWOODS as indicator of sinister morality involving US internal plans using civilian casualty [revenge] as lever. Precedent for non-paranoid statement “It would be against odds for this NOT to be staged” please refer
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/nyt-fbi-hatches-terror-plots.html#more
    for list of recent FBI provocateur actions.

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  63. mikenmild (8,892 comments) says:

    Good grief!

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  64. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    Honestly, it’s not as if this is anything new. The FBI were involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six people and injured many more.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html

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  65. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Yes, goodness remo.

    Little hint.

    You can’t just dump it on people. They won’t accept it. Lookup cognitive dissonance and learn it in detail if you want to know why.

    Look, I know what Gladio etc was, but I guarantee most of them who read this don’t. And they’re not interested.

    Yes, I know they should be, but they’re not.

    And you can’t change that.

    Act accordingly.

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  66. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    Gee Reid. Have you created remo as a mini me? :)

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  67. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    He’s not a mini you Johnboy, he’s a mini Reid.

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  68. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    Nothing hung like a Johnboy could ever be considered mini NNZ! :)

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  69. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    At least your modest JB.

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  70. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Gee Reid. Have you created remo as a mini me?

    No I was working away in the lab last night and all was fine until the wurzenflugel overloaded and broke the flux capacitor and now I have to start all over again.

    It’s not fair.

    And the prototype’s escaped before he’s even ready.

    Just be quiet. I need to lure him back and it’s all very delicate.

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  71. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    So is JB’s mental health, he’s taken to comparing his ‘equipment’ with that of pixie. And he’s not doing too well.

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  72. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    If remo needs a bigger dick NNZ is happy to donate his three inches Reid. His wife told me she wont miss it! :)

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  73. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Thanks JB, I’ll bear it in mind. I assume you’ve cleared it with NNZ?

    Might be a good idea to cut it off now and put it on ice, just so it’s ready to go, if and when.

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  74. Johnboy (13,424 comments) says:

    I’ll put Lorena on standby! :)

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  75. Nostalgia-NZ (4,697 comments) says:

    3 inches width might be a generous help to you also JB, but I don’t like to be personal about the ‘wants and needs’ of someone your age. Feel free ‘to take your love to town.’

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  76. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Another example of how Obama fights Muslims extremists. By sponsoring them with American tax payer dollars. This uprising is nothing more than a power grab by an imported radical Islamic backed group. Just like all the Arab spring countries.

    US to give $123 million military aid package to Syrian rebels

    http://rt.com/news/friends-syria-istanbul-us-152/

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  77. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    If you want to understand the Arab Spring and the Muslim Brotherhood, then like Reid said, you should know what Gladio is all about. Sibel Edmonds is an excellent source on this.

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  78. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    A high-profile Syrian armed opposition group has merged with al-Qaeda in Iraq, in a move that shows the growing power of radical Islamist factions in Syria and will dismay western backers of the rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad.
    Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Jabhat al-Nusra said on Tuesday they would now be known collectively as the “Islamic State in Iraq and Sham [Greater Syria]” – apparently confirming longstanding allegations that militant opposition elements in Syria draw on former fighters against the US occupation of Iraq.

    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/f27707c6-a12e-11e2-990c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2R5aEM8c1

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  79. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    UglyTruth, with typical conspiracy theorist arrogance you assume you have knowledge others do not have and contribute nothing to constructive debate.

    Making up stories is not the same thing as forming a view based on evidence. If I wanted stories I would make up my own and they would be better than the tripe you read.

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  80. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    10 Characteristics of a Conspiracy Theorist

    We hope this information will be of use if you encounter a conspiraloon while on the boards.

    10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
    A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

    1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always “sheep”, patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.

    2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say “no thanks”, you’ll be called a “sheep” again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.

    3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they’re pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

    4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero’s “cui bono?” (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle’s “once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth”. What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply “eliminate the impossible” (i.e. say the official account can’t stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on “cui bono?” (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.

    5. Inability to employ or understand Occam’s Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.

    6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have “open minds” and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.

    7. Inability to withdraw. It’s a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by “swamping” – piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.

    8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the “official” account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the “official” account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.

    9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it’s “happened before”.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

    10. It’s always a conspiracy. And it is, isn’t it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

    A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.

    http://skypeassholes.com/node/6308

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  81. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    with typical conspiracy theorist[fill in blank] arrogance you assume you have knowledge others do not have and contribute nothing to constructive debate.

    But everybody does that Kea. I thought that was the whole idea of blogging.

    I don’t know about you, but I want to win. I want to destroy those enemies whom I have ajudged mental. I want to see them grovel and kowtow to my utter superiority in every single way imaginable.

    Making up stories is not the same thing as forming a view based on evidence.

    It IS when you use caps properly.

    If I wanted stories I would make up my own and they would be better than the tripe you read.

    So give us one then, and let’s see.

    All I can say is, it had better involve DUMBS and aliens, otherwise it won’t be.

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  82. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Kea.
    when you engage with a drong such as UglyTruth please realise that you are engaging
    with a young fool who will either mature in future or is doomed to continue as a fuck up who becomes
    more and more strident.

    Even you should have more about you than to engage with him as an equal.

    You are better than that Kea.

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  83. UglyTruth (3,127 comments) says:

    UglyTruth, with typical conspiracy theorist arrogance you assume you have knowledge others do not have and contribute nothing to constructive debate.

    Everyone has knowledge that others do not have. Sometimes this knowledge is valuable, sometimes it is not. Constructive debate is when a rational argument is presented which explains the evidence, ideally with a minimal set of assumptions.

    People who have nothing rational to say can also contribute. Flaming and slander are indications that the issue is an important one, and that no rational response exists to the opposing argument.

    The ten characteristics from skypeassholes can be applied to the corporate media as easily as they can be applied to the tinfoil hatter of the day.

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  84. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Supreme example of dhimmitude: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/21/msnbc-host-explains-our-fixation-with-the-bombers-roots/

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