Boat was heading to NZ

May 7th, 2013 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

A classified report has confirmed that the boatload of Sri Lankan asylum seekers who arrived without warning on the West Australian coastline last month had been sailing for New Zealand.

It diverted from its course after the captain decided weather and other safety issues were too risky to continue beyond Australia. …

Last year, 10 members of China’s banned Falun Gong movement were rescued north of Darwin after their boat broke down en route to New Zealand.

After officials explained the dangers of continuing their voyage, the group decided to apply for asylum in Australia.

This is why regional co-operation on this issue is sensible.

 

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36 Responses to “Boat was heading to NZ”

  1. flipper (4,330 comments) says:

    Oh yeah?????

    A sage Australian friend noted in an email to me late last minth:

    ” Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 7:19 AM
    Subject: FW: How did that boat get to Geraldton?

    How did that boat get to Geraldton?

    I got a call from a friend last night, saying something is not right about that boat story. Bit of background on him first. He is an old style boatie, has had boats all his life, has built three of his own, and has been up the reef at least 30 times in the last 40 years. So he knows a bit about going to sea.

    He questioned the veracity of the story that the boat came from Sri Lanka and was 44 days at sea with 66 souls on board. He questions specifically were:

    • The journey from Sri Lanka to Geraldton, a distance of 2,780 nautical miles as the crow flies, longer if you allow for drift and course corrections. Lets be kind and estimate 3,000 nautical miles.
    • The fuel required to travel that distance at an average speed of 6kts would have been at least 5,000 litres. That amount of fuel equates to 25 drums of diesel and would weigh in at (150kg x 25 drums) = 3,750Kg.
    • Water for 66 people for 44 days at sea (drinking cooking etc) allow 4 ltrs per person per day. (44 days x 66 people x 4ltrs) = 11,616 ltrs and weigh 8,131Kg.
    • 66 people would weigh around about 3,960kg.
    • Total weight of fuel/water/people close to 15,841Kg plus food/provisions.

    His contention is that the boat in question (sponsored by Deutsche Bank) and looked to be about 42 foot long, could not carry enough fuel, water, food and provisions for 66 people at sea for 44 days. Absolutely/absolutely impossible – it would have sunk before it left the dock!!!

    So the story of travelling Sri Lanka/Geraldton is absolute bullshit, or perhaps they made a stopover in Indonesia or were resupplied en-route. And remember when they pulled into Geraldton they were only half way to their supposed destination – NZ. ”

    Which raises many more questions, does it not?

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  2. berend (1,690 comments) says:

    Because no boat has made it to NZ, and every attempt to supposedly reach it has failed, we need action now!

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  3. metcalph (1,367 comments) says:

    They may have intended to go to NZ but their ability to do so was zero. The only reason that we are co-operating is that we look bad if a boat sinks and people drown while supposedly on the voyage to NZ.

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  4. Harriet (5,200 comments) says:

    The NZ left will encourage them with open arms like they do in Australia – leading to some women and children who will drown trying to get here!

    Take all the sugar of the table so they don’t want to come here and in doing so save their lives!

    Stop the Left from killing! :cool:

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  5. wat dabney (3,840 comments) says:

    The NZ left will encourage them with open arms like they do in Australia

    In fact open immigration is a hallmark of the right, on the grounds that it’s not for others to tell you where you can live and work.

    The left supports it only occassionally, and only as a means to an end.

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  6. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    A couple of points;

    stop calling them asylum seekers.They are illegal immigrants.

    we don’t know who these people are.Every country must be able to choosewho it admits.

    See this item that is not very prominent in the news

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10881581

    The whole boat people thing is a scam to skirt visa and immigration rules,dressed up as pity for refugees.Many take planesto
    Indonesia,Malaya (both Muslim countries where they’d be more at home …..yeah right.) then jump into boats to get the sympathy vote,and refugee status.

    But they insist in getting to nice white run countries where they can milk working taxpayers,where there is “equality” and where there’sno shortage of bleeding hearts .

    Electorates must say No to this exploitation of our laws and generosity.

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  7. Viking2 (11,672 comments) says:

    Old slow news day eh?

    Bang the drum , bang the drum

    a typical Helen type distraction. Remember the foot and mouth at Waiheke while she was out to play?

    so what are the Nats up too?

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  8. berend (1,690 comments) says:

    Harriet: The NZ left will encourage them with open arms like they do in Australia

    Really? I’m definitely not left, but strongly in favour of people who seek out a better life for themselves.

    The reason we can’t welcome people here IS THE LEFT: we can’t do that because of the welfare state.

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  9. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    No boat has made it even close to NZ.

    That, of course, is one of the benefits of NZ.

    Long may that situation reign!

    I hope any “regional co-operation” includes the sinking of any boats that do get close, making their inhabitants walk home.

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  10. berend (1,690 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman: I hope any “regional co-operation” includes the sinking of any boats that do get close

    Not sure is this MT_Tinman a leftie or National supporter? (yes I know, same thing).

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  11. AG (1,833 comments) says:

    And if I set off from Birkenhead in a kayak with the intention of paddling directly to Scotland to work illegally in a whiskey distillery, is this also an example of why a pan-European approach to kayak-bourne illegal immigrants is so necessary and sensible?

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  12. KapitiCoast (114 comments) says:

    Hey AG, Scotland does not make bourbon (Whiskey), they make Whisky!…just setting you right as I’d hate for you to end up emaciated in Scotland, after that long gruelling kayak trip, only find you only know how to make Bourbon :)

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  13. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    Once the boats get to Oz the illegal immigrants eventually can make their way here.

    See the link above. An Iraqi man wanted in Oz for people smuggling ,here in Nz. And one of the witnesses against him “now living in NZ”

    And once living here ,they can sponsor more family members.

    Australia’s borders are our borders.

    Our taxes are at risk from Julia G’s human rights policy.

    No illegal immigration!

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  14. hj (7,165 comments) says:

    The problem with the libertarian view is that they tend to be blind to the facts of life (witness denial of AGW). Why should we take other countries overpopulation? In the Philipinnes (for instance) the Catholic Church dominates the government and is vehemently opposed to birth control. The pacific islands have overshot carrying capacity.

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  15. Skttrbrain (26 comments) says:

    @kowtow: “stop calling them asylum seekers.They are illegal immigrants.”

    The Immigration New Zealand form for people to seek refugee status includes ‘Border asylum seeker’ as one of the options. Turns out it is perfectly legal.

    Here: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/7A7C7D25-FA00-4ED5-8A2B-A2449D07ABB3/0/INZ1071November2010.pdf

    On the flipside, the legislation supporting refugee claimants, and the process carried out by the INZ Refugee Status Branch means that a significantly smaller proportion of asylum seekers are approved as genuine refugees than are declined – meaning that maybe the system ain’t broken.

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  16. hj (7,165 comments) says:

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  17. toms (209 comments) says:

    “Boat was heading to NZ”

    And they got as far as… *roll of drums* envelope please! Geraldton, Western Australia. Which is about, oh, a cheeky 6000km and two stormy oceans short. Honestly DPF, stop insulting our intelligence. Your loyalty to our idiot PM and his scaremongering is making you stupid.

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  18. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    skatterbrain

    You and the whole government and media can call them what you like.

    I’ll call them illegal immigrants because that’s what they are.

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  19. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    berend (1,361) Says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 10:34 am
    MT_Tinman: I hope any “regional co-operation” includes the sinking of any boats that do get close

    Not sure is this MT_Tinman a leftie or National supporter? (yes I know, same thing).

    Your quote and question are completely unrelated (I doubt you understand that – or anything to be quite open) but to set your mind at rest the answer to your question is – neither.

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  20. berend (1,690 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman: Your quote and question are completely unrelated

    Really? You wonder why I’m interested in people who want to shoot others searching for a better life?

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  21. Skttrbrain (26 comments) says:

    Kowtow: “I’ll call them illegal immigrants because that’s what they are.”

    …because facts that don’t support my prejudice are stupid. Gotcha.

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  22. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    Reading comprehension a problem as well Berend?

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  23. James Stephenson (2,266 comments) says:

    Hey AG, Scotland does not make bourbon (Whiskey), they make Whisky!…just setting you right as I’d hate for you to end up emaciated in Scotland, after that long gruelling kayak trip, only find you only know how to make Bourbon

    Fret not, they make it with the ‘e’ in Ireland, and it’s a pretty short hop to Bushmills in Co Antrim.

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  24. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    skatterbrain

    They take planes to Indonesia or Malaya where they can claim “asylum”.But they don’t claim there as they’re not endangered.

    Then they pay people smugglers to put them and their families into unseaworthy vessels to make illegal crossings into Australia.

    Illegal immigrants.

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  25. AG (1,833 comments) says:

    kapiticoast,

    Diversification is the name of the game – my specialist skills will be in high demand!

    James,

    I won’t drink that protestant stuff. Give me Jameson, please.

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  26. unaha-closp (1,067 comments) says:

    This has the makings of an epic reality TV show.

    12 teams from randomly selected from all around the 3rd world assemble in East Timor, then using traditional (no fibreglass, no carbon fibre, no steel) craft sail to NZ using nothing apart wind and muscle power. With each boat there is a camera crew in a chase boat. First team to arrive gets a $100,000 prize. All teams who make it and want to stay can. All teams that require assistance or use a motor are eliminated in heart-breaking scenes of drama.

    It’d be like a sailing race, but people could enjoy watching it.

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  27. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    AG

    If Jameson’s your tipple this may interest.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-jameson-sisters-inside-the-home-of-ireland-s-whiskey-dynasty-1.1381721

    As to Bushmills or Jamesons I’d say if the 16 th and 36 th Divisions could go over the top side by side at Messines and Langemarck then no Mick should ever say no to raising a glass of either.

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  28. rangitoto (262 comments) says:

    @unaha-closp. Captain Cook did it in an old wooden collier with no gps navigation. He also managed to cleverly evade the immigration officials.

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  29. Jack5 (5,276 comments) says:

    The Falun Gong, hounded by the communist regime in China, might w meet the classification of peaceful refugees.

    I’m not sure about the boatloads from Sri Lanka. Some of these people will be former Tamil guerrillas. We don’t want in NZ ex-guerrillas who engaged in such a brutal war as Sri Lanka’s.

    One answer for Australia and NZ, if we had the gumption, would be to adopt a method from centuries ago. This would be a modern equivalent of privateers – licensed private enterprise ships (or planes, or both) to patrol the high seas, and receive a bounty when they towed or carried border jumpers to some remote holding island.

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  30. Jack5 (5,276 comments) says:

    Rangitoto posted at 1.50:

    Captain Cook … managed to cleverly evade the immigration officials.

    No Rangitoto, they met him on the beaches, at several entry points, but were easily bribed with tobacco, beads, and blankets.

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  31. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    Beheading coming to New Zealand in boats……….

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  32. rangitoto (262 comments) says:

    @Jack5 – well I didn’t say how the evasion was done ;)

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  33. Jack5 (5,276 comments) says:

    Fair enough Rangitoto. The Cook tours honoured their temporary visas, and sailed away.

    On a private enterprise role for border protection: many of the companies that did dangerous work for Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan must now be looking for new roles.

    Hire them, with a strong part of their fees coming from bonuses for arresting and transporting illegal immigrants, and seizing smuggled drugs and other contraband. Let them keep the old tubs they seize, and hold the people runners for legal ransom. Administration of the offshore detention facilities, as on Christmas Island, could also be contracted out to such firms.

    This would be chaper than having scores of Navy patrol boats and big detention centres ashore, and the leftist MSM didn’t get much traction against the security firms of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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  34. hj (7,165 comments) says:

    Captain cook got to NZ in his tub.

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  35. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    aux sailing vessel griff

    45ft on deck
    1l knm\
    fuel 1000/
    water 1000l
    wet tonnage 22

    would take 15.000kgcargo

    at 3000nm for 44 days

    They were not motoring probably slowly motor sailing.

    Under these conditions diesel goes a very long way

    if I motor sail very slowly

    I get well less than 0.2 l nm

    Water can reliably be collected off sails and decks when it rains

    Yes its possible to reach NZ with 66 on board in my vessel

    not safely or reliably but it is possible

    From my offshore sailing experience you will be picked up long before you reach our 12 mile limit.

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  36. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Been busy today, and missed this till now.

    FFS, DPF, are you now snuggling up to Winston Peters and parroting his xenophobia re refugees?

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