Labour’s next policy after the man ban?

July 8th, 2013 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

Jewish News reports:

The Left Party, a political party made up of socialists and feminists, in the County Sormland, Sweden, is pushing for making standing urination for men, illegal, for those who use public restrooms of the Provincial Government.

Why you wonder?

Party officials are pushing for the installation of sitting only toilets in men’s restrooms.

Local supporters of the proposal said they feel that sitting only urination is more hygienic and promotes male health. This will help eliminate the problem of puddles on the floor and spray stains in toilets. They also argue that urinating while sitting will help promote men’s health because it allows men to empty the bladder more effectively. Sitting urination according to advocates reduce prostate problems in men.

Men must not use urinals! They are bad for you!

I await this policy being adopted in New Zealand.

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67 Responses to “Labour’s next policy after the man ban?”

  1. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Coincidence or co-ordinated?

    Whale Oil posted on this same dig at Labour at identical times – Will Labour implement this next?

    They were both posted at 7.00 am, probably both scheduled for that time but an interesting coincidence of a fairly odd sort of attack on Labour.

    [DPF: A reader e-mailed the story to both Cam and me. This is not uncommon. Cam and I didn't discuss the story. It is a coincidence that we both timed a post for 7 am, but not a surprise if you get a story e-mailed to you on a Sunday afternoon.]

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  2. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    One is reminded of that scene from About Schmidt.

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  3. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    @ Pete have DPF and Cam been seen at the same time…ever?

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  4. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Posting the same attack line at the same time using an obscure source from Sweden is a bit more unusual than DPF and Cam being seen somewhere together.

    I’ve been somewhere together with DPF but I’ve never posted near identical items at the same time.

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  5. Manolo (12,626 comments) says:

    Any, I repeat, any line of attack against socialist Labour ought to be good.

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  6. radvad (620 comments) says:

    Farrar is just taking the piss………

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  7. Nigel Kearney (747 comments) says:

    The reasons given for this are highly unconvincing. But the real reason is the ongoing and futile attempt to make men and women equal in every way. Same applies to abortion.

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  8. Simon (612 comments) says:

    Labour’s next policy:

    A bloated welfare state, out of control government departments, local government fiefdoms everywhere, false economy fuelled by money printing.

    A redistribution system with two aims To hurt the productive (keep them in their places) & to create a permanent class of people forever reliant on the state.

    Wait sorry this is all National current policy. Man Ban good for the sheeple though.

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  9. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    They are both obviously taking the piss, but when they both give the appearance of holding hands while they piss on Labour it will be seen by many as a planned part of a pissy Right versus Labour agenda.

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  10. Ross Nixon (599 comments) says:

    Stand up for men’s rights!

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  11. Colville (1,774 comments) says:

    PG.
    As long as they are not holding each others whilst taking the piss !

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  12. KiwiGreg (3,129 comments) says:

    I would say it’s more likely to be seen as a reductio ad adsurdum argument except after the man ban I don’t think anything is beyod them.

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  13. gump (1,228 comments) says:

    Sounds like they’re trying to introduce unisex toilets into Government buildings.

    Which makes some sense (as a single set of toilets can then service a larger pool of potential users).

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  14. Whaleoil (766 comments) says:

    I might be taking the piss, but at least it will be standing up

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  15. Judith (5,660 comments) says:

    Whaleoil (737) Says:
    July 8th, 2013 at 8:30 am
    ————————————

    Yeah, and too bad if it goes all over the floor and fails to hit the target eh ? ;-)

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  16. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    PG – i think you need to leave your bunker. everyday you become a bit more humorless, a bit more desperate and a bit more eager to spot conspiracy theories everywhere.

    everything is an attack or slander in your world.

    youre a strange cat.

    piss taking is an important part of politics. sometimes its a good thing to get ahead of stupid ideas by outright mocking them. because you know this will make sense to some idiot on the left (maybe even dung as he tries to impress his new bedmates). but you knew that. youre just doing the “im more sensible than everyone else’ routine.

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  17. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    I’m starting to think those who are saying this is a coordinated campaign to distract from John Key’s arrogant and childish behaviour at the GCSB enquiry might have something.

    So how does it feel to be manipulated suckers?

    And as I have said, for the National Party to make such an issue of this is rank hypocrisy. They’ve always been as ready to suck up to radical Marxist feminists as the next Progressive political party-

    Example 1

    As I have already mentioned, today’s theme is ‘Equality means Business’, so this will be my focus. Making better use of women’s skills is vital to improving the performance of New Zealand businesses and to strengthening our economy. As I have outlined, the Government is committed to increasing women’s participation on state sector boards, but the need for change is more urgent in the private sector. In fact, New Zealand is behind other developed economies on private sector board participation. Women hold only 9.3 percent of the board roles in the top 100 companies on the New Zealand Stock Market and only 21 percent of senior management positions.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=38070

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  18. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    Example 2

    The Ministry is also working with a group of business leaders, the 25 Per cent Group, on how companies can increase the number of women in senior roles. The group has set a target of 25 per cent women on our top 100 company boards by 2015.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=38070

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  19. Tauhei Notts (1,510 comments) says:

    When Judith’s husband invites some drunken mates home she places a sign on the toilet;
    “We aim to please.
    You aim too, please.”

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  20. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    Example 3

    The Government is actively working to appoint more women to state sector boards and to encourage the private sector to increase the number of women in leadership roles. There is compelling evidence that greater gender diversity in governance correlates with better decision making and organisational performance, providing economic and other benefits. My Government has a target of 45 per cent of women on state sector boards by 2015. It is currently running at 41 per cent.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=38969

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  21. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    We could expect this to become law in NZ if Pete George ever fulfilled his political dreams. Standing up to pee is probably linked to rape culture.

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  22. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    Example 4

    The National Government is committed to increasing the numbers of women on state and private sector boards. We are committed to achieving 45 percent on state sector boards and we are delighted to see our target of 10 percent on private sector boards already exceeded. The number of women on the boards of the top 100 companies listed on the New Zealand Stock Exchange reached 14.75 percent in 2012, up from 9.3 percent in 2010.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=40568

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  23. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    everyday you become a bit more humorless, a bit more desperate and a bit more eager to spot conspiracy theories everywhere.

    You seem to be the humourless one here. I think it’s funny that Cam and DPF shot at the same target with obscure ammunition at the same time. And it will be even funnier if the pick up on this at The Standard, if they do then you’ll see what a grand conspiracy theory is like.

    I look forward to all your future posts being hilarious and bunkerless.

    youre just doing the “im more sensible than everyone else’ routine.

    No, I observed something and commented on that. You chose to get humourless and hissy at that – are Mondays not your best time? Or is it days ending in “ay”?

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  24. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    Example 5

    More women in leadership has benefits for organisational performance at both the management and governance level, as demonstrated by the significant body of research that cites the link between gender diversity in leadership and positive outcomes for organisations.

    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?articleId=38969

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  25. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Kea at 9.18 – you can’t let go of that can you. A guilt complex?

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  26. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Redbaiter is right (as usual). National are just as entwined in all this cultural Marxism big “E” equality drivel as the rest of them, but maybe just a few steps behind in order of magnitude.

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  27. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    As I said , National really have no problem with quotas as the above examples show so plainly.

    This is an organised campaign to distract attention from John Key’s poor performance at the GCSB enquiry.

    However the intensity of the campaign suggests there could be something else going on here.

    Perhaps Kim Dotcom really has something on John Key after all.

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  28. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    PG – remember when neighbours started on tv? im sure you watched it. if not, google Mrs Mangle. Thats basically you.

    Also, Im the humorless one? lets check out your light hearted post.

    “Coincidence or co-ordinated?”

    Ohhhh that will drag the readers in! a headline!! where can i read about it? at some awesome blog you have?

    “Whale Oil posted on this same dig at Labour at identical times – Will Labour implement this next?

    They were both posted at 7.00 am, probably both scheduled for that time but an interesting coincidence of a fairly odd sort of attack on Labour.”

    Sweet mother of god! at the same time!!!

    I did get a good chuckle by the light hearted nature of your post though. real funny stuff. good humour words like ATTACK ON LABOUR! thats some funny shit.

    Quick poll – whos funnier, Dime or PG? I rest my case :D

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  29. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    Red – obviously JK pissed you off. Apart from that, are you against what they are doing? i find it boring so havent really followed. i take from it – same amount of spying, one agency doing the work. saves us some money.

    feel free to correct me on that though

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  30. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Pete George, the sort of people that stand on a soap box over those sorts of issues are the ones most likely to be harboring a guilt complex. We see it all the time with those who make a big deal of morality. They are frequently discovered to be sexual deviants.

    You would love what passes for rape in Sweden. Consenting sex is rape in a number of circumstances. In fact anything is rape, if a woman says so in the feminist hell hole of Sweden. Just ask Assange. He was accused of rape after some woman called her mate to boast how she fucked Assange. It turns out her mate had done him too. In a fit of jealous rage they got together and concocted a rape story.

    We can expect the Swedes model to be implemented here, unless decent people, of both genders, stand up to the feminists destroying our society.

    http://www.swedenversusassange.com/Sexual-Offences.html

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  31. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    For the record, I sit down to pee. Sometimes.

    Most times I have a crap I don’t bother standing when I want to pee. It seems that a few staunch stand only blokes must do that, but it seems bizarre that they would.

    I also sit to pee in the “here I sit broken hearted, spent a penny and only farted” situations.

    And I sometimes sit to pee in the middle of the night when I’m half asleep, no contration required, you don’t even have to open your eyes properly (or turn on the light and half blind yourself).

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  32. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    “For the record, I sit down to pee. Sometimes.

    Most times I have a crap I don’t bother standing when I want to pee. It seems that a few staunch stand only blokes must do that, but it seems bizarre that they would.

    I also sit to pee in the “here I sit broken hearted, spent a penny and only farted” situations.

    And I sometimes sit to pee in the middle of the night when I’m half asleep, no contration required, you don’t even have to open your eyes properly (or turn on the light and half blind yourself).”

    *shakes his head*

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  33. kowtow (6,709 comments) says:

    Yep as Red points out todays’ Conservatives are cut from the same cloth as the Cultural Marxists .The rot has truly set in.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/cristinaodone/100225249/banning-the-term-gay-is-an-insult-to-free-speech/

    What is it with modern politicians of all colours, so quick to ban, to arrest,to control,to make illegal.?

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  34. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    “You would love what passes for rape in Sweden” – once again Kea making shit up. I doubt that I would love any of your opinions on rape.

    Dime – lighten up and get over it, I commented on a blog, it doesn’t exactly merit a day’s worth of hijacking the thread does it?

    Redbaiter at 9.26 – while the specifics may or may not be on the mark I agree, there does seem to be a distinct possibility of deliberate diversion tactics.

    And back to dime, interesting you are getting so pissy at anyone who can see the obvious.

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  35. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    Pete George:

    No, I observed something and commented on that. You chose to get humourless and hissy at that

    I notice that your blog post has the following:

    Connecting this to Labour and the “man ban” when there is no indication of any link to Labour in New Zealand is really very a try-hard attempt at attack politics.

    Both were probably scheduled auto-posts but it’s an “interesting coincidence” for them both to appear on Twitter and be posted at the same time.

    I have to agree with dime, this does rather come across as trying to push a conspiracy theory by you. And having read both DPF’s and Whale’s posts, it’s pretty obvious they’re not seriously suggesting that NZ Labour will adopt this.

    Lighten up.

    PS: Nobody really wants to know the details of how you go to the toilet. Seriously. We don’t want to know.

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  36. David Garrett (5,134 comments) says:

    Pete: that exposition of your urinary habits and behaviour gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “too much information”..

    My question is how are the red boys and girls (presumably the inspectors will be unisex) going to enforce this? Unless you are PG, just because there is no urinal you stand and pee in the throne just the same…of course if you are a refined fellow like me you will always lift the seat first….I draw the line at putting it down again afterwards though…a man has to make a stand somewhere….

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  37. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    Dime, its not a question of who does the work- the issue is should government’s powers to spy on its citizens be increased?

    These National Party fools forget its not always going to be them in government.

    The attack on/ arrest of Kim Dotcom was a terrible example of big government over-reach and laws to make such events “legal” should not be passed.

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  38. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    They were both posted at 7.00 am, probably both scheduled for that time but an interesting coincidence of a fairly odd sort of attack on Labour.

    Amazing scoop! Next you’ll be telling us that they might even be friends, who communicate other than via blog posts…

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  39. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Pete George (18,194) Says:
    July 8th, 2013 at 9:34 am
    For the record, I sit down to pee.

    Ok we recorded it. (We knew anyway.)

    The Nordic Council has received recommendations from the expert panel to forbid antifeminist speech in the Nordic countries (Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Iceland and Norway).

    The “Expert panel” was full of radical feminists and profeminist men.

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/03/29/antifeminism-might-become-illegal-in-the-nordic-countries/

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  40. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    graham and DG – I went into detail to make the point that the he-man “stand only” claims are probably crap, and there can be practical reasons not to stand. But despite DG’s (false again) assumptions I stand in public conveniences wherever possible.

    An, ah, I know Cam and DPF aren’t seriously suggesting Labour might adopt this, but in trying to continue an attack line with something totally unconnectd to Labour they are being mischievous, at least. There is a purpose for a post like that.

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  41. Redbaiter (6,480 comments) says:

    “Next you’ll be telling us that they might even be friends, who communicate other than via blog posts…”

    Yep, fair enough, but why the long co-ordinated campaign that appears to fly in the face of National Party policy that is just as bad as Labour’s?

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  42. Manolo (12,626 comments) says:

    Spare us your eschatological details, please.

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  43. Ashley Schaeffer (336 comments) says:

    I fail to see how eliminating urinals ensures men will sit to have a pee. I don’t have a urinal installed at home and yet I manage to stand up and pee quite frequently. I suspect it has less to do with men’s health and more to do with the promotion of unisex toilets in another attempt to eliminate every last remnant of gender definition.

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  44. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    @Ashley, yes, they obviously want to make men stand too in the long line of women waiting for the loo at every public toilet.

    @Redbaiter, obviously they share the same lead sources. Perhaps GCSB needs to track their email meta-data trails?

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  45. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,668 comments) says:

    Of course Labour will introduce this measure. Most of them have sat down to pee for years. The act of standing up requires back bone.

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  46. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    the issue is should government’s powers to spy on its citizens be increased?

    These National Party fools forget its not always going to be them in government.

    The attack on/ arrest of Kim Dotcom was a terrible example of big government over-reach and laws to make such events “legal” should not be passed.

    I agree entirely with that. Giving politicians the discretion on whether citizens are spied on or not is very dangerous, even if you trust the current Government.

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  47. Manolo (12,626 comments) says:

    I know Cam and DPF aren’t seriously suggesting Labour might adopt this, but in trying to continue an attack line with something totally unconnectd to Labour they are being mischievous…

    UnitedFuture change of tack vis-a-vis November 2014, i.e., defending a potential partner. :D

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  48. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    @Red – I don’t think that National’s policy is “just as bad as Labour’s”, there is a significant difference between a target and a quota.

    I we take as read, that if we have significantly less that 50% representation of women, then there’s a good chance we’re missing out on some talent (another argument, but I can’t see how it’s not a truism) then having a policy to cast a wider net and try to access that talent, is completely different from saying “Seat X is only for women”, which seems to be a good way to ensure that we’re depriving ourself of talent that we do have access to, just because it’s male.

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  49. David Garrett (5,134 comments) says:

    Manolo: “eschatological”…excellent! I knew there was some fancy word for “getting rid of waste products from the body” but just couldnt think of it…

    I wonder if the next thing will be a ban on men reading in the toilet? As a long time practitioner of same, I have noted that across cultures it seems to be far more a man than a woman thing…While we spend a leisurely time reading on the throne they, apparently, do the business as quickly as possible, then spend an inordinate amount of time fixing up their makeup and bitching about each other in front of the mirror…or so my spies tell me…

    Can’t you just see it? Louisa Wall stridently yelling “Reading in the toilet is sexist, and must stop!”

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  50. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    @James, bad stats. First you have to show the top level talent, skill and relevant experience is shared equally between the sexes. Pretty obviously it isn’t. Stats show that males cluster at the extremes more than females as well as family care affecting female aspirations and work experience.

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  51. Francis_X (143 comments) says:

    “These National Party fools forget its not always going to be them in government.” – Redbaiter

    Ah, nice to see that someone here has a modicum of intelligence, and understands the consequences of this issue.

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  52. cha (3,537 comments) says:

    Obligatory…I’ll get me coat…

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  53. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    @Alan – I don’t think it’s “pretty obvious” at all. What I think is pretty obvious is that the level of skill and talent in the average NZ boardroom (and caucus room :D) is pretty poor.

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  54. kowtow (6,709 comments) says:

    j Stephenson

    Targets ,quotas : the intent is the issue. They both share the same intentions.

    And then its simply a matter of time before the target becomes a quota.

    All on the same continuum.

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  55. dime (8,752 comments) says:

    “Dime, its not a question of who does the work- the issue is should government’s powers to spy on its citizens be increased?

    These National Party fools forget its not always going to be them in government.”

    got ya. that is my fear with almost anything they introduce – how can the left fuck us with it.

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  56. James Stephenson (1,885 comments) says:

    @kowtow – light and heat are on the same continuum too.

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  57. Alan Wilkinson (1,798 comments) says:

    @James, long on assumptions, short on supporting evidence.

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  58. Zapper (843 comments) says:

    Pete, what I find interesting is how quickly you’ve turned on Key and National after Dunne lost his portfolio due to his own lies.

    Also, if DPF and Whale Oil were conspiring to attack Labour, do you think this is the best they would come up with?

    “Look, we know a lot of people read both of our blogs, but no-one will notice if we mock Labour using the same story at the same time! This could lead to the downfall of the chardonnay socialists!”

    Something tells me they’re politically astute enough to come up with slightly better tactics that that. So yes, it is a coincidence but not much of one, and not an interesting one.

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  59. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Zapper, I haven’t turned on Key and National. Pointing out a WO/KO coincidence is simply an observation about them, not aimed at Key/National at all.

    I still think Key is the best option for PM and National is the best (only viable) lead party for Government. But I think I’m still able to criticise some of the things they do. And I think their current stance on the GCSB legislation deserves strong criticism.

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  60. Zapper (843 comments) says:

    I don’t mean on this post Pete. The sudden wind change has been very evident over the last few weeks.

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  61. Sidey (230 comments) says:

    Pete, what I find interesting is how quickly you’ve turned on Key and National after Dunne lost his portfolio due to his own lies.

    Good observation Zapper, it does seem that way doesn’t it? Can’t be a coincidence, Pete’s not a big believer in them.

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  62. kowtow (6,709 comments) says:

    Once you open the door to gender equality all will fall before it. Tradition,values ,language,common sense and eventually operational efficiency and morale. It’s a fucken disaster.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2346330/Navy-ditches-toast-wives-sweethearts-time-200-years-women-sea.html

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  63. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Zapper – that’s because the GCSB bill and associated issues have become prominent, and are a major concern to me.

    after Dunne lost his portfolio due to his own lies.

    I’m not aware of any evidence of him lying. What specifically are you referring to? Most credible comment I’ve seen blamed his downfall on being too honest, and refusing to reveal the contents of MP-journalist emails on a basic pronciple of confidentiality.

    On Saturday I heard a detailed explanation of what happened in person from Dunne, with his wife present. I knew most of the facts already and there was nothing he said that contradicted known facts.

    The only view that changed was my opinionof David Henry’s inquiry, it was worse than I thought. There are some disturbing aspects, but the whole premise of his investigation was “I think you did it. I have no evidence, but unless you prove you didn’t do it I’ll accuse you in the report.”

    Which is what happened. I’m very disturbed by this travesty of justice. Those who don’t like Dunne don’t care about minor things like fair process and justice.

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  64. cha (3,537 comments) says:

    This is how real men prefer their women.
    /

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOljqmWCMAAVeAf.jpg:large

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  65. Sidey (230 comments) says:

    Which is what happened. I’m very disturbed by this travesty of justice. Those who don’t like Dunne don’t care about minor things like fair process and justice.

    Pete, would you dedicate so much of your time and effort to this “travesty of justice” if it wasn’t Peter Dunne but Winston Peters or Hone Harawira in exactly the same position?

    You call it a travesty of justice, but of course we know nothing of the sort. If you have evidence supporting your description, why not present it to the KB jury so we can decide for ourselves? Your endless bashing of the issue without actually telling us what you claim to know doesn’t really assist. Assuming we want/need assisting that is…

    Personally, I just don’t care. I have no personal stake in the issue whatsoever, like I suspect most of us here. You clearly do, so fair enough. But give us something Pete! If you want us to concerned about something iffy at the highest levels we need more than what we’ve got. which is how it appears on the face of it. Which isn’t good for Dunne.

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  66. Pete George (21,812 comments) says:

    Sidey, if you don’t care why did you comment on it? I didn’t bring this topic up on this thread.

    You’re as bad as Henry saying I should present evidence to prove something didn’t happen. That’s not how justice works – it’s innocent until proven guilty. If Dunne didn’t leak the report he can’t prove that, nor should he (or I) have to.

    Henry accused Dunne of being the leaker, the onus is on him to provide evidence to back that up. He has failed to do that. And worse, he still effectively accused Dunne as the guilty leaker in his report. That is a travesty of justice.

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  67. Viking2 (10,723 comments) says:

    Never going to work.
    Well not as long as Andrew Williams remains an MP.

    I mean where would one sit on a night out in town? :lol:

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