Should Brown stay or go?

October 16th, 2013 at 7:48 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Auckland Mayor is refusing to stand down, after confirming that he had a two-year affair with a member of a council advisory panel who is 25 years his junior.

Brown, 57, who is married with three daughters, confirmed yesterday that he had had an affair with Bevan Chuang, 32, who stood unsuccessfully for the Albert-Eden local board in last week’s elections and serves on the council’s Ethnic Peoples Advisory Panel.

He said last night that he intended to remain as mayor.

He admitted he had “failed dismally” in his personal life, but insisted: “My record stands in terms of my political service.”

He said he was “very clear” in his commitment to stay as mayor, but was also “listening to the community”. He apologised to Aucklanders, but asked that they “stand by me”.

More like lay with me! :-)

In an interview with TV3’s John Campbell, he said there was “an element of political endeavour” around the timing of the revelations. “In my view there is a clear will or determination to try and force a resignation, and in fact destroy me.”

If that was the case, wouldn’t the story have been published before the election?

Mayoral rival John Minto said a new election should be held. “Not because I’m into prying into people’s personal lives but because it will render him a lame duck mayor, just like Bill Clinton was a lame duck president after the news of his affair came out.”

Minto said there was no way Brown could go to Parliament or host council meetings without being the subject of ridicule. “He will be hopelessly compromised.”

If Brown does resign (after being sworn in) there is a by-election. I wonder if this time Minto would beat Bright?

The Herald reports:

Ms Chuang was unable to be reached for comment last night, but issued a statement through blogger Cam Slater, whose Whale Oil website broke the news of the affair yesterday, to call for Mr Brown’s resignation.

“She believed Brown had only one option left – and that was to resign. He could [no] longer command any respect among those who’d previously issued him with a mandate to lead Auckland. She said as a practising Catholic the hypocrisy of Brown’s conduct was extraordinary.”

Before Ms Chuang’s identity was revealed, Auckland mayoral candidate John Palino said he had no knowledge of the affair or the woman involved. He issued a statement in which he declined to comment and did not return phone calls.

A member of his campaign said he believed Ms Chuang was at the campaign launch.

Ms Chuang told Mr Slater that the allegations against Brown were not politically motivated and that she, and members of her family, voted at this election for Mr Brown.

“If I wanted to bring him down, do you think I’d vote for him? Unlikely. And wouldn’t I have gone public with all this when potentially it could have affected the election result?”

I think Miss Chuang’s motivations are personal, not political. Also I’m sure John Palino would have rather had the story come out before the election – not two weeks after it.

One person has got some facts very wrong, and in fact is defamatory. Chris Ford at Voxy has written:

One element, according to Martyn Bradbury on the Daily Blog, that may have led the Mayor to make such claims is the involvement of Slater’s father, former National Party President John Slater as his rival John Palino’s campaign manager. Talk of the pot calling the kettle black, this is the same John Slater who confessed to having extramarital sex with a woman on the dining table of the London High Commission back in the 1990’s!

Chris Ford has hugely defamed both John Slater and also John Collinge, the person he has confused John Slater with. I’m amazed he has not corrected his post as I am sure he must be aware by now he has the names wrong.

Not only has he defamed John Slater, he has also effectively defamed John Collinge. Collinge has never ever confessed to having sex on the London High Commission table – this has become almost an urban legend. In fact he denies it strongly.

An ex-girlfriend of Collinge’s was unhappy with his new relationship and tried to poison it. She sent his new girlfriend a long letter claiming all sorts of things she had done with Collinge. Her behaviour got so extreme the new girlfriend complained to the Police and the ex-girlfriend was prosecuted in court. The letter was read out in court as evidence for the prosecution. The ex-girlfriend never made those allegations in court (which would have some credibility if she did). She simply wrote a letter to another woman trying to distress her. She has never repeated the claims in court, and Collinge has always denied them totally.

Not relevant to this story, but I thought I might as well set the story right as Ford had referred to it. I look forward to his retraction.

[UPDATE: Chris Ford has corrected his post, and apologized for it, which is good of him]

Mr Slater’s father, John Slater – a former National Party president and president of the Citizens and Ratepayers’ council ticket – acted as Mr Palino’s campaign manager in the election. John Slater said last night he had no knowledge of the affair or the identity of the woman and had no involvement with the story on his son’s website.

People are trying to turn this into a politically motivated story, when I think it is more a “woman scored” motivated story.

Tim Watkin blogs at Pundit:

The initial story on WhaleOil said the affair was with a “council employee”, which is a bit of a stretch. As one of 12 on the Ethnic Peoples Advisory Panel she is a representative rather than a staff member. If she had been a staff member the issue would have been much worse for Brown, because employment law would have come down on him like a tonne of bricks.

Even as it stands, his claim that this is an “entirely” private matter is clearly nonsense. It goes to trust. It goes to character. And most of all it goes to his use of power. Or rather, his abuse of power.

Chuang is an adult who chose to have an affair with a married man and then make the details public, so any depiction of her as a victim in this only goes so far. Her own political aspirations, whatever they might have been, are now in tatters. But she’s brought that on herself. Having said that, Brown has clearly abused his power over her and failed in his duty of care as mayor.

Watkin explains:

You only have to look at the FAQs on the Ethnic Peoples Advisory Panel’s webpage to see why he has every reason to be worried about how voters might judge him. The page says:

“The Local Government Act required the Mayor of Auckland to appoint the Panelno later than 31 March 2011.The Panel was established and appointed by the Mayor of Auckland following a three-stage selection process…” It goes on:”The Panel operates up to 1 November 2013. However, the decision to continue or re-establish the panel in the same or modified form is within thepower of the Mayor’s authority.”

So Chuang – a perfectly pleasant woman I met earlier this year – was the mayor’s own appointee (even if the recommendations came from a selection committee). Worse, he has the power to re-appoint her – or not – in the next two to three weeks. To compromise himself, Chuang and the Auckland Council this way clearly is unacceptable. 

So her appointment and tenure is at the discretion of the Mayor. I think that makes it arguably worse than if it was a Council employee. Council employees are employed by the Chief Executive and have some protection. Chuang was a direct Mayoral appointee. How can you argue no conflict of interest?

On Campbell Live tonight Brown said he was committed to Auckland and would be staying in the job. He said he’s just won a strong mandate from the people of Auckland, but in a clear out-clause said he would be listening to the people.

There has to be a serious question over that mandate. No-one can confidently argue one way or the other whether he would have won if voters had known about the affair. It certainly would have been closer, but we can’t know what never happened. So he can’t claim any sort of mandate with confidence, leaving him severely compromised in any political endeavour he attempts in the next three years.

One option is to test the mandate. Brown could resign but seek election again which would allow Aucklanders to decide.

I voted for Brown last week, but I don’t know how I would have voted if I had known about this. Brown reasonably told Campbell that people will “judge me in the whole”. And perhaps I would have seen the work achieved and the important goals to come and voted the same way anyway. Perhaps many would have felt that. But I don’t know and Brown can’t know either. This is just one reason why trust and transparency matter so much. Voters have the right to know exactly what – and who – we’re voting for.

And:

But none of that excuses Brown’s betrayal. On Campbell Live he spoke just of the pain caused to his family. It’s understandable that they are his focus, but it was poor that he did not accept responsibility for his mistake and acknowledge that he had failed voters as well. He lied by omission. It took until his final sentence for him to even apologise to us.

I feel incredibly sorry for his wife and daughters. It must be an awful thing to go through, and so publicly. I’m surprised Brown only told then after the election.

We still don’t know about the threatening text sent to Chuang last week from an anonymous number warning her not to talk. That does not reflect well on Brown as well.

The threats are what ensured the story was published. I hope someone can discover whose phone was sending the text messages warning Chaung off talking.

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265 Responses to “Should Brown stay or go?”

  1. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

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  2. Colville (2,239 comments) says:

    Resignation and stand again is his only hope of saving any pride.

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  3. big bruv (13,665 comments) says:

    If Brown gave this chick the clap then one has to ask who else has he been shagging? I suspect there is much more to come.

    I also laughed at the way the left are treating this on the blogs, all of a sudden Brown’s sex life is supposed to be off limits yet there are many of us who well remember the way that the lefty scum were more than happy to have a crack at Don Brash all those years ago.

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  4. Lance (2,619 comments) says:

    It’s all Nationals fault. According to Rudman in the Hoorald anyway.

    More vast right wing conspiracy details to follow.
    Of course it had nothing to do with Len not being able to keep his dick in his pants.

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  5. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    The voters should be able to decide, now they information that was kept from them during the campaign.

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  6. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    He should withdraw from the Mayoralty. Who can respect him now? Other politicians have had to resign for less. Perhaps another election should be held.

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  7. labrator (1,892 comments) says:

    If he really cared about his family he’d resign. How can you rebuild your family and run a city at the same time? Mayor is a full-time-plus job, not a 37.5 hour living wage toilet cleaning position.

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  8. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    big bruv.
    I heard whaleoil is going to bring something more out today, he was on marcus lushs program today.
    I wonder how Bev will feel if she is just one of many so has to share the lewd lenlight with other smutty woman- that would be a lark

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  9. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    Big Bruv
    And have a go at that fool Richard Worth too. Still, at least he was man enough to resign.

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  10. jaba (2,118 comments) says:

    it’s all Cameron and John Slaters fault. Len did nothing wrong.
    What did Richard Worth do wrong?

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  11. jaba (2,118 comments) says:

    Some muppet on Twitter said he doesn’t care how many people Lens roots as long as the rail loop gets done .. phhht .. REALLY

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  12. hmmokrightitis (1,579 comments) says:

    Simple test for me. Would his behaviour result in disciplinary action if it were employees shagging on Council property?

    Yes.

    Why should the mayor not be held to the same, or an even slightly higher standard?

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  13. Fletch (6,233 comments) says:

    To be honest, I never would’ve thought he had it in him.
    Or rather; never would’ve thought he had it in someone else.

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  14. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10576545

    NZ Herald on the Worth scandal. Poor guy- had to resign and he never even got laid! At least Len did.

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  15. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    This Bev must think shes doing the right a favour discrediting Brown- to be honest i dont think the Nats stand to gain much from that. I thought working with Len was working well for them.
    Oh dear bev, so naive, silly and misguided

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  16. Yoza (1,764 comments) says:

    A mayor from the North had occasion
    to play hide the sav. with an Asian
    he caused her distress
    and she ran to the press
    now he’s lost his power of persuasion.

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  17. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Lustful, lecherous, lubricious, lascivious, lewd, libidinous, Len Brown must stay to continue being the butt of all jokes.

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  19. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    woah shes telling people she had the clap- this is hilarious.
    Whaleoils feeding her the worst PR advice ever to publish that, tremendously bad, no protecting your sources there. What a laugh

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  20. daza (1 comment) says:

    Lenny boy’s next campaign slogan “Vote Len Brown, poorly C-haung and forced to beg but faster than a hard boiled egg!!” ;)

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  21. Reid (16,180 comments) says:

    I’m with hmmok on this, as reason one why he has to.

    Second reason is the way he is treating her now by blaming her for outing what he started in the first place and spinning that it’s all political, with the willing help of the Herald. If we had a real media, they would refuse to accept this weak spin which he’s alleging on the basis the final count hasn’t yet been done, but no, they slip it in without question and make it the prime facet of the story. Disgraceful journalism since the lie is easily repelled by the fact they deliberately kept it quiet till after the election. What happened to facts NZHerald, John Campbell, etc?

    This goes straight to character, which politicians are rightly judged on by the nature of the job, and character does not consist primarily of one’s public face it consists of how one conducts oneself in private.

    According to the Herald he only told his family last week, when he already knew it was coming to come out. So one assumes he was never going to say anything.

    So now we know we have a mayor who is dishonest in big things, with his family of all things. And if you can be dishonest with your own family then how can you be expected to be honest in your dealings with the people of Auckland? And by honesty I don’t mean by not thieving I mean, say, honest in evaluating all the factors for and against if you have a pet project that you think will win you votes for example.

    Secondly we know we have a mayor who is vicious in his response. This means he has no empathy or he has no integrity, or both. Either one of those is sufficient to disqualify one for the high office he inhabits.

    I’m very disappointed the media is taking the line it is. They clearly aim to sweep this under the carpet and move on, I hope it doesn’t happen but it’s a shame our media has got to the point where they are willing to do this and if John Banks had just won his second term with a 50,000 vote majority, I guarantee the self-same media would not be taking this same approach. Shame on them.

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  22. Yoza (1,764 comments) says:

    I’m really pissed this wasn’t released before the election, I was short 450 on Brown over at iPredict.

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  23. salt (133 comments) says:

    Did Bevan break your heart once, martinh? You seem a bit fixated.

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  24. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Len Brown says he works 24/7 for Auckland but now we know it is actually 23 hours 58 minutes.

    (WOBH)

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  25. Ashley Schaeffer (457 comments) says:

    Brown should definitely resign and seek re-election and if wants to continue in the job. What a fucking embarrassment he is to the office and his family. If his wife is of sound mind, she will ditch his pathetic ass. As for Chuang, what a joke. She’s complaining about being treated like an unpaid prostitute when she willingly acted like one. No morals or scruples the pair of them.

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  26. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    He needs to go and go NOW!
    Why aren’t we more like France in areas like this, we would have rallied outside his office and dragged him out of office.
    Masturbation?
    Early ejaculation?
    Affair?
    Seady liasons in OUR Town Hall?
    Grubby little man and I don’t want him anywhere near our purse strings.

    And I wonder what “his” god thinks of him now….

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  27. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    No salt, i wouldnt fall for anyone with a boys name, unlike len.
    I just find it weird she is being so lewd.
    Why would you want to tell the world about having chlaymdia?
    Thats honestly the biggest own goal ive ever heard

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  29. Nigel Kearney (965 comments) says:

    It would have been better for Brown if this came out before the election. He could have withdrawn from the race, taken three years off to ‘spend more time with his family’ and then win again in 2016. The decision of the voters would then end the matter. Instead he has to choose between spending three years as the publication personification of a liar and cheater, or force ratepayers to pay for another election with these events fresh in their mind.

    And if someone on the right did get hold of this before the election and chose to wait, what is the problem with that? It is not their responsibility to air their opponent’s dirty laundry in a way most convenient to that opponent.

    If employees did this, it would be up to the employer to decide whether to dismiss them. It is up to Len’s employers whether they do the same. Unfortunately they have to wait three years for the opportunity.

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  30. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Judy, please go back to your knitting and play over at the Bain thread for the next few months.

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  31. Ross12 (1,372 comments) says:

    I never thought I’d agree with Minto on something but he is right and I think Tim Watkin has done a good analysis of it.

    I think other commentators from the left are digging a whole for themselves with this bit about Cam Slater’s father John being the campaign manager Palino. That sort of comment will just drag the issue out for far longer than they would wish.

    Graham Edgeler has come out with a good point –Len cannot resign ( if he wanted to ) at the moment as he is still the “old ” mayor. He would have to wait until he is sworn in as the “new” mayor –from a technical point of view.

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  32. martinh (1,164 comments) says:

    Ashley
    Yeah thats what i dont get, she is totally giving that impression and Whaleoil has allowed that to happen. If she had an affair well so be it, but what she is putting out there is making her out to be totally unacceptable for any form of public life.= which she seems so set on on her career path.

    Jake- Yes thats what im very worried about for her. Michelle Boag was already having a go at her yet talking up Len this morning

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  33. freethinker (688 comments) says:

    If the claim by Ms Chuang that she had VD (The Clap) is true then she either was infected by Len which means he got it from someone else or Ms Chuang got it from someone else and possibly infected Len. Given the damming nature of this issue perhaps Ms Chuang will clarify so voters can judge if Len is a serial adulterer.

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  34. Twinkletoes (53 comments) says:

    No fool, like an old fool. When will they ever learn? Attractive young women don’t sleep with wrinklies unless said young woman expects some largesse somewhere along the line. And once they have obtained that largesse and the perks that go with it, old man is left for a newer model or merely tolerated for his moolah and connections..

    They certainly don’t leap into bed with these old codgers because of their godlike Greek bodies.

    Asian girls are particularly good at this (usually helped by a formidable brain and a sleek young body)- look at Rupert Murdoch, Don Brash etc.

    And the really sad thing is that these men do not realise that if they were merely a bus driver these women wouldn’t be seen dead with them! Oh, the sensitive male ego!

    It is the power of their positions that is the attraction. What’s new in this old world.

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  35. Elaycee (4,350 comments) says:

    Given these revelations, most people with any integrity (caught in the same situation), would resign – not only for the hypocrisy on display but also because of the humiliation they have inflicted on their family and the laughing stock ‘reputation’ they have dumped onto the Mayoral office.

    But we’re not talking about ‘most people’ here – we’re talking about Pants Down Brown. I doubt he’ll resign because his sense of entitlement to be Mayor will get in the way of any common sense and / or any residual integrity.

    But it’s interesting to muse what would happen if it had been a different Council employee doing exactly the same thing (including being caught by a security guard screwing an appointee on a meeting table in the Council offices). If this person had been (for example) the CEO, would they be terminated? If the answer is “yes”, then Brown only has one option.

    But don’t hold your breath!

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  36. davidp (3,572 comments) says:

    One of the things I find really distasteful is the Left’s attitude to Asian NZers, and more particularly those that are ethnically Chinese.

    Peters thinks there are too many Chinese restaurants on Dominion Rd and has been banging on about Asian people for years.

    Cunliffe doesn’t think Chinese people should be able to buy the homes they live in, so that they are forced to rent from “real” NZers.

    Norman doesn’t think telcos should buy routers from Chinese-owned companies, has singled out the Chinese government for his hysterical “give me back my flag” protest, is opposed to Chinese people buying farms, and is opposed to the China-NZ free trade agreement despite the jobs it has created in NZ.

    Now Brown refers to a Chinese woman as his “Geisha girl”, clearly confusing Chinese and Japanese people and using a disrespectful term for a woman. Does he call European women “whores”? He needs to learn that appointing people to an ethnic affairs advisory panel is an opportunity to promote trade, investment, and immigration. Not an opportunity to hit on an Asian woman and then treat her like a second class citizen.

    This sort of anti-Asian sentiment might have been accepted when Chinese NZers were thought of as being a bit strange and subject to a poll tax. But the Left needs to realise it isn’t 1920 any more and cut out the racism.

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  37. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    It’s no use blaming her or Whaleoil. They are not the mayor.
    Len Brown has to accept his own actions have brought him this public disgrace – and shamed his family. They will live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.
    What a grubby little man. Do you really want him welcoming schoolgirls to his office or shaking your hand?
    He is already a joke and will stay one.
    If he truly loves Auckland he will quickly retire into private life and keep out of the limelight.

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  38. Sofia (850 comments) says:

    If a Referendum is needed to validate what was a legitimate issue last Election, especially when Labour declared it such a single issue vote, why does Len Brown now think he can “just stay on” when his honesty is now revealed to be so totally questionable?

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  39. burt (8,182 comments) says:

    Sofia

    why does Len Brown now think he can “just stay on” when his honesty is now revealed to be so totally questionable?

    Because he is a sense of entitlement lefty – he has the right to say what he wants and do what he wants while spending our money. He probably even thinks socialism works – that’s how deeply dishonest he is even with himself.

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  40. Yoza (1,764 comments) says:

    davidp (2,978) Says:
    October 16th, 2013 at 8:46 am

    One of the things I find really distasteful is the Left’s attitude to Asian NZers, and more particularly those that are ethnically Chinese.

    I know, considering they have those fantastic little fruit picky hands.

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  41. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    He was shagging her for two thirds of his Mayoralty

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  42. Sofia (850 comments) says:

    MAYOR PUSHES FOR PUBLIC USE OF THE NEW LOOP hahahahaha
    MAYOR SAYS AUCKLAND NEEDS GREATER ACCOMMODATION hahahaha
    LEN BROWN’S PROJECTIONS FOR THE FUTURE hahahaha
    Yep – Len has a great future in front of him – hahahaha
    everything he says from now on will go down well

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  43. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    But in saying that, the test will be if ( and hopefully he does) he resigns and seeks a new election.

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  44. Nostalgia-NZ (5,085 comments) says:

    Len Brown can resign. He can simply walk out the door, doubt that he will but he must face the fact that he has promoted himself as a family man, son of a Minister from memory, so he has some thinking to do.

    Bevan Chuang has been used in my opinion in relation to this situation because her political ambitions are realistically gone. If there is indeed people manipulating this situation behind the scene I doubt she has fully considered her position and what it will be in the fullness of time.

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  45. Samuel Smith (276 comments) says:

    “I think Miss Chuang’s motivations are personal, not political.” Yeah right.

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  46. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I also laughed at the way the left are treating this on the blogs, all of a sudden Brown’s sex life is supposed to be off limits yet there are many of us who well remember the way that the lefty scum were more than happy to have a crack at Don Brash all those years ago.

    I don’t remember saying that Brash should resign. Be laughed at, yes. Not resign.

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  47. Bill Ted (92 comments) says:

    Can’t be long before South Pacific Pictures produces our own version of The Good Wife. The worst thing about that is it’s bound to star Robyn Malcolm and Sam Neill…

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  48. jaba (2,118 comments) says:

    next time Lenny B asks a woman if she has a couple of minutes she will shit herself

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  49. SGA (982 comments) says:

    @DPF – original post

    I think it is more a “woman scored” motivated story.

    I think you mean “scorned”, but I suppose it works both ways.

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  50. Changeiscoming (177 comments) says:

    If John Campbell hadn’t given Len Brown such a soft ball interview last night, he would have and should have asked if he had anything to do with the anonymous threatening texts.

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  51. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    newstalk ZB is going into overdrive.

    All sorts of “experts” on telling us Len will survive and we shouldnt care about what hes done.

    The same newsroom who couldnt crucify that idiot in nelson quick enough. his crime was much worse – do you know who i am? blah blah

    standard issue line – i feel for his family. we all do! and lens the prick who got them into this.

    the guy beats off at the mayors desk FFS. even Dime doesnt do that at work! i save it for the car ride home..

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  52. mavxp (496 comments) says:

    Can Len effectively represent Auckland as a serious a place to do businesses in the Asia-Pacific after this?

    Can he effectively lead the diverse, and yes, conservative Auckland families – from the Indian, Samoan, Chinese and European ethnicities he claims to represent.

    Can he be on top of his game without the support of his family after this?

    What will this do for the morale of the entire Council organisation? From rubbish collectors to bus drivers to paper shufflers. Leadership with integrity is important to the pride of any organisation for it to function well. Can Len any longer claim to provide this?

    I think the answer is most likely No.

    Brown must go – and quickly.

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  53. davidp (3,572 comments) says:

    I have a question about the table in the Ngati Whatua room. Presumably it was covered in sweat and, errrr, other bodily fluids. Did Brown take some paper towels and Mr Muscle with him and clean up after himself? Did he ring the cleaners and ask them to pop up to the room to clean up his jizz? Or did he leave it for council employees or local iwi to find the next day?… in which case there might have been a catered function with food served up on a sticky table surface, or someone might have sat in a meeting taking notes in the exact spot that brown was having unprotected sex just a few hours earlier.

    This is an occupational health and safety issue. MBIE should investigate, and order disinfection of all rooms at the town hall that Brown has had sex in, or masturbated in.

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  54. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    Wouldn’t this be one of the busiest and most important times for a mayor who claims it’s generally a 24/7 job?

    In many families hit by a scandal this would also be the trickiest of times, demanding priority attention lest one party be seen to be less than focused and committed to trying to repair the damage.

    There appears to be a major priority conflict.

    And unless it was an open marriage where other partners were already accepted it will take some time to work through the issues and patch over the breach of trust – not just a one off breach but over an extended time.

    If it can be patched over at all, once trust is bust it can never be the same again.

    At best it will take weeks or months to reconcile. In the meantime this will be hanging over the formation of the incoming council. Brown may not want to lose both his marriage and his career in one hit, but the city of Auckland has to put it’s own interests ahead of one person’s ambitions.

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  55. Bill Ted (92 comments) says:

    Anyone know if the lawyers have been called in yet? I can only presume Whaleoil has been issued with some sort of subpoena given his site has stalled. Very unusual for a guy who loves nothing more than rolling around in sh*t.

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  56. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    He was wanking at work ffs. The office of mayor requires gravitas, he’s blown that all over his desk.

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  57. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    Well, at least it’s clear now that Len doesn’t think personal integrity is important.

    Glad we cleared that up.

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  58. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    What else does one expect from the fiscally illiterate loser. Like the rest of his ilk, he has both the morals and scruples of a rodent.

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  59. Yoza (1,764 comments) says:

    The right’s polling record was sagging,
    When they heard in the North of a shagging
    by a left leaning Mayor
    of a young woman there
    and now through the muck he is dragging.

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  60. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    What has Len Brown done wrong? Isn’t this just his sexuality? Shouldn’t we celebrate that?

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  61. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    It’s not hard to see the political calculation here though. He’s just been re-elected, it’s 3 years before he needs to answer to the people again. Even if people remember, he’s still got 3 years of power – assuming he still has the ability to move things through the council.

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  62. Keeping Stock (10,261 comments) says:

    @ Judith (8.26am) – that’s typical; shoot the messenger.

    How can anyone trust Len Brown, when he has such scant regard for a vow that one makes to their wife/husband; to forsake all others? If you can’t trust Brown in something like that, how can you trust him to run a multi-billion dollar organisation?

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  63. meanybeany (26 comments) says:

    Judith Collins on National Radio in 2006: “I don’t comment on people’s private lives and certainly when Trevor Mallard and David Benson-Pope made their allegations in Parliament about Dr Brash’s private life they crossed the line. “You’ve got children involved here. The people who choose to bring families into it – they’re just a disgrace.”

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  64. FlashinthePan (15 comments) says:

    I’m surprised that no one has raised the question… Who stood to gain from the confession? This will perhaps answer the question of who sent the text that spurred said confession…

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  65. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    Irony here is that Slater and Cook are fucking this woman far more than Len ever did

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  66. Archer (200 comments) says:

    FlashinthePan, I think the more accurate question is who stood to lose from the affair being outed. That would probably answer the question of who sent the text.

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  67. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    At least we know that Len never had to eat the biscuit at the Council’s regular circle jerks.

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  68. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    Like a lot of people I was having a bit of a laugh over this last night.
    After last nights tv interview and this morning reading a Herald article this morning I’m now angry at Len Brown.
    The arrogance of a man to think he still has the support of Aucklanders.
    In the Herald article this morning, it was left to his wife to face the media and take her daughters to school. The article says the daughters were visibly upset and sobbing. On the tv footage last night they look like senior students, so they will be preparing for their NCEA examinations right now. The wife has recovered from cancer.
    And all that man can think about is that he wants to carry on as major.
    The media won’t let this go while he holds on to his job. Do the decent thing, Len. Put your family first and resign.

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  69. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,873 comments) says:

    Now it transpires the louse didn’t tell his wife until after the election. When he knew it was all going to come out./i

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  70. FlashinthePan (15 comments) says:

    True Archer… It possibly applies both ways

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  71. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    What a strange world we live in…

    1. AUCK NEWSREADER abandons husband and children to be in a sexual relationship with another woman.

    Is a hero for being ‘true to herself’ and feted on cover of magazines.

    2. AUCK MAYOR has sex with woman not his wife.

    Is a scandal.

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  72. Bevan (3,965 comments) says:

    Has any one asked John Campbell why he felt the need to fellate Len Brown last night, I would have thought Len had enough of that from the Asian chick.

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  73. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    This is looking bad for Slater though. He appears to have lost the massive love and affection he has always had from the left – if commentators here are anything to go by.

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  74. davidp (3,572 comments) says:

    Adolf>Now it transpires the louse didn’t tell his wife until after the election.

    Huh? I thought he said he’d told them a week ago. The election was on Saturday. Why did he lie?

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  75. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    davidp @ 8.46am – While I agree 100% about your distaste with anti-Asian comments it is stupid to try and turn this into a left= racist, right=not racist thing. Racism spreads across the political spectrum.

    As Yoza pointed out @ 8.52am (and predictably got down ticked for it because pointing out facts, especially when they are against the right, is not appreciated here) the right have make some pretty stupid anti-Asian comments as well.

    And using Winston Peters as an example of the left making racist Asian comments is rather desperate. Winston may be a lot of things, but left wing isn’t one of them.

    Now let the down ticks begin …

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  76. SGA (982 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock at 9:30 am
    How can anyone trust Len Brown, when he has such scant regard for a vow that one makes to their wife/husband; to forsake all others? If you can’t trust Brown in something like that, how can you trust him to run a multi-billion dollar organisation?

    Oh, I don’t know. Some people manage :-)
    On 25 June 1999, 17 days after divorcing his second wife, Rupert Murdoch, then aged 68, married Chinese-born Deng Wendi, then aged 30.

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  77. GJKiwi (180 comments) says:

    For fucks sake, they just had sex alright. Anybody would think he’d committed bloody fraud. If he stole a million from the coffers, I’d be concerned, but actually, he had sex with an ambitious young woman. Now she’s miffed that he has finished the affair and has run crying to a second rate blogger to out him. Actually, in France the whole thing would have made Len famous and he would have won re-election by a country mile. You all sound very old-fashioned to me, and ultra-conservative. Sad fucks, the lot of you. Me, I’d stand up and say, well, actually, she was pretty hot, but she’s not very good at keeping her private life private. Some people shake hands, some people hug and some people have sex. Others are just frustrated. Sounds like most of you here. Frustrated and jealous that you missed out on all the fun. You probably haven’t had a good root yourselves in ages, which is why you’re so bloody obsessed with another person’s sex life.

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  78. BlairM (2,314 comments) says:

    Interesting what John Edwards’ mistress is now saying about what she did:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rielle-hunter/apology_b_4100599.html

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  79. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    You have to laugh at The Standard. The Left tying itself in knots to defend its hero.
    Blame the woman, blame the Chinese, blame the American, blame the Nats, blame the blogger – it’s not poor old Len’s fault and anyway it’s his private business.
    How can Labour women defend this grubby little man?
    If he appoints members to boards surely this is a dreadful abuse of power.

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  80. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    For fucks sake, they just had sex alright. Anybody would think he’d committed bloody fraud.

    Yea, it’s not like he broke a public vow or anything.

    Oh wait.

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  81. burt (8,182 comments) says:

    GJKiwi

    You all sound very old-fashioned to me, and ultra-conservative. Sad fucks, the lot of you.

    Yes, how stupid of us to expect a lefty to be ethical and honest …. Please don’t investigate how he used rate payers money – it’s not like we should expect principle’d behavior from a lefty – Move on !!!!!!!

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  82. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    BeaB @ 8.47am. Agree. I don’t know why his wife is sticking by him. I wouldn’t be able to stand being anywhere near him.
    Her choice I suppose. Maybe she loves the power too??

    All of this is reminding me that “Scandal” is on tv tonight – 9.30pm ONE.
    Not up the quality of “The Good Wife” or “West Wing” but an entertaining watch. There is an on-going plot line involving the cover-up of an affair of the president of the US.

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  83. bc (1,364 comments) says:

    burt – for me it’s not a left/right thing. What’s wrong with expecting any of our elected officials (regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum) to be honest and ethical.

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  84. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    bc
    I thought it was distasteful last night with St John when Len kept mentioning his wife by name, over and over. She should have been kept right out of it. This scandal is about him and his grubby behaviour, not his wife and daughters. He came across as an egotistical, ambitious creep.

    He will make Auckland a laughing stock. So much for being a world class city!

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  85. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    Actually, in France the whole thing would have made Len famous and he would have won re-election by a country mile.

    But Len did not run in France. He ran in Auckland, and got a large number of votes from the Manukau PI community – who certainly are quite traditional.

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  86. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    I am a bit surprised at the lack of comment around the Campbell interview last night.
    He was so soft on him I would not have been shocked to see the Campbell knob climb over the desk and cradle Brown in his arms whispering words of sympathy in his ears.
    Have we ever had a more biased media person in such a high profile role as John Campbell?
    No questions about the threatening text allegation and he FAILED to ask the number 1 question that should be on every credible journalists lips.
    HOW MANY other women have you fucked behind your wifes back and on council time?
    You never ever get caught the first time. There will be more women out there.
    Luckily for Brown the way this one has been thrown under the bus it is unlikely that there will be another one stupid enough to entrust themselves to Stephen Cook?

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  87. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    But Barnsley, Pete George said to get real and that JC “asked the hard questions”?

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  88. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    This further highlights what a distasteful, left-wing, creep Campbell is. I once saw him piss off Brian Tamaki, and was hoping he would get a whack . . . unfortunately it did not happen. If we could put in a bid to thump the jerk, I would mortgage everything I have to get the opportunity. Just imagine the feel of his gutless little mug crunching under a good straight right.

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  89. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    I am a bit surprised at the lack of comment around the Campbell interview last night.

    Have we ever had a more biased media person in such a high profile role as John Campbell?

    Seems to me you’ve already got the answer.

    That said, I’d have watched it if I’d realised he was interviewing Brown. Which in hindsight was obvious.

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  90. davidp (3,572 comments) says:

    GJKiwi>For fucks sake, they just had sex alright. Anybody would think he’d committed bloody fraud.

    He was wanking at work, for goodness sake. Is there a single workplace in NZ where dropping your pants and rubbing one out wouldn’t lead to instant dismissal? It’s a matter of hygiene and health… customers and colleagues shouldn’t be exposed to bodily fluids left all over office furniture.

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  91. tvb (4,313 comments) says:

    I see this as a private matter between Brown and his wife. But I accept others do not see it that way. This has been quite clever strategy by Browns opponents because it is arguable this matter would have fatally damaged Brown pre election. But his mayoralty is fatally damaged now as he looks deceitful now.

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  92. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    At The sub-Standard a supreme imbecile called Colonial Viper (he got the second part right) writes:
    Time to reign in the press. Classify yourself as press or as tabloid, and license to the relevant standard.
    These Righties always seem overly concerned with other peoples genitals.

    You ought to laugh at these morons.

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  93. burt (8,182 comments) says:

    The irony is the same lovers of corrupt big self serving government who called for Brash to resign will be defending Len because this is private … Just like their politics – it’s different when their team do it !!!!!

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  94. edd (157 comments) says:

    Whale Oil Cheated on his wife. Not sure what that makes him?

    A fat bastard perhaps. If he steps down as a public figure and blogger, and keeps himself completely out of the media, then that might set Len Brown a good example to follow… Ha Ha…

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  95. davidp (3,572 comments) says:

    tvb>I see this as a private matter between Brown and his wife.

    If this had happened at her place or at a hotel that he was paying for, then I’d agree. But it happened at the office, and that makes it the business of the people of Auckland (and the rest of us who are asked to pay for Auckland projects). Are you seriously suggesting that if your boss caught you having sex on a conference room table at work, then he’d accept “nothing to do with you… it is a private matter between me and the missus” as an excuse?

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  96. Tauhei Notts (1,677 comments) says:

    Yesterday I was with GJKIwi’s 9.57 opinion.
    Today I am with Reid’s 8.32 opinion.
    Rudman’s comments in this morning’s newspaper changed my mind. He is the lowest form of Jafa.

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  97. burt (8,182 comments) says:

    edd

    Whale Oil Cheated on his wife.

    Right – so he did it too – lets be good lefties and judge Len by others rather than by the example he painted of himself… He might have said he is a good family man but hey other family men have been dishonest and shagged around so … Lets judge Len as no worse than others rather than according to how he painted himself… Typical lefty edd – others did it too – move on….

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  98. BeeJay (71 comments) says:

    So much truth in the old adage – “There’s no fool like an old fool!” Sadly, Len hasn’t been honest in any way, he was caught with his pants down (literally) by a security guard, and was shitting himself that he would be uncovered (not literally) so he sat there and held his breath to see if he was going to be dobbed in! When nothing happened he thought he was off the hook, until a woman scorned shit on him from a great height! What the hell did he expect? He’s not smart enough to stay as mayor of my town, in fact he’s just proved to me that he is a fuckwit!

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  99. Yoza (1,764 comments) says:

    igm 10:12 am

    This further highlights what a distasteful, left-wing, creep Campbell is. I once saw him piss off Brian Tamaki, and was hoping he would get a whack . . . unfortunately it did not happen. If we could put in a bid to thump the jerk, I would mortgage everything I have to get the opportunity. Just imagine the feel of his gutless little mug crunching under a good straight right.

    John Campbell’s main job is to hawk advertising space to businesses, he is selling the attention of his viewers to the highest bidders. It would have been a real coup to get Brown on his show on the very day the scandal broke. I’m guessing the only reason Brown would have allowed himself to appear at prime time on a major national network would have been as a consequence of a deal he would have struck before hand with Campbell and his producers about the tone and content of the interview.

    The reason Campbell has lasted as long as he has is a direct consequence of his and his team’s ability to empathise with, and reinforce the perceptions of, such a large portion of New Zealand society that he remains a commercially viable proposition for his network to promote.

    The emotional response he has elicited from you underscores his value as a controversial figure. Controversy is drama and drama drives ratings, and in the commercial broadcasting environment ratings are all that matter.

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  100. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Sorry Yoza – I have some bad news for you – TV3 is so popular it is in receivership

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  101. BeaB (2,104 comments) says:

    edd
    I don’t care what you, Whaleoil or anybody else does in your private life but having a mayor who sat at his official desk with his trousers round his ankles while he played with himself- I am sorry but he does not deserve to be there.
    Auckland deserves better.
    You can try to shoot the messenger but remember Len Brown initiated this affair and used public property to for his sexual antics.
    By any standards he is a sleaze.
    His wife and daughters may forgive him. He should stay home and rebuild his family.
    A mayor is a civic leader and should demonstrate public virtue.

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  102. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    Whale Oil Cheated on his wife. Not sure what that makes him?

    See my 9:51 am above.

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  103. freethinker (688 comments) says:

    In Lens mind there are over $800,000+ reasons to try & stay in office and perhaps a couple of private reasons that cost nothing.

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  104. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    Whale is not in public office so the comparison is irrelevant.
    Brown is a politician and should be held to a higher standard. He has to resign. Others have so why shouldn’t he?

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  105. freethinker (688 comments) says:

    Another reason has just occurred to me – Len wants to stay on top.

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  106. Yoza (1,764 comments) says:

    nickb 10:53 am

    Sorry Yoza – I have some bad news for you – TV3 is so popular it is in receivership

    If Campbell Live was a loss making proposition he would be gone, he is one of the few jewels remaining in the TV3 crown.

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  107. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    I voted for Len, not because I really like him, he’s a bit of a nutter to be honest.

    However for me it was about policy. There was 17 candidates, 15 of them were nutters of some description, commies, god bothers or racists.

    It came down to Len or JP, I looked at both, neither filled me with much hope, but on balance I preferred Lens transport policy including the CRL to JPs second CDB in the south.

    If Len realizes that him being in office makes it harder to implement policy, then he’ll go.

    If he was to go and we had a new election and someone else ran on a policy platform similar to Len, and we had an issues based election I’d be ok with that.

    What I wouldn’t be ok with is a different policy platform being enacted without a democratic mandate. I couldn’t accept a mayor appointed by the council or JP moving into office without an election.

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  108. slernz (33 comments) says:

    Miss Chuang will not be the only woman Mayor Brown has had extra-marital affairs with. I predict other women will now come clean.

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  109. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    “I predict other women will now come clean.”
    I imagine they’ve scrubbed and scrubbed but still feel dirty.

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  110. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    This will be death by a thousand cuts for Brown – more women will come forward, one at a time, until Brown finally does right by his family and calls time. Cameron Slater’s a hunter – you don’t fire your last shot without more ammo ready to be deployed.

    That salary must mean an awful lot to Brown, weighed against the costs to his family.

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  111. kiwi in america (2,495 comments) says:

    The left seek and cling to power at all costs. No lie is too big, no dirty trick too low and few personal life peccadillos too embarrassing to keep a lion of the left from the levers of power. Len Brown is following the tried and true playbook of the left that I detailed this morning on the first scandal thread and the media are largely playing along with it.

    If he toughs this out as I expect him to, he has irrevocably damaged the office of the Auckland mayoralty. At every meeting his affair will be the elephant in the room that erodes respect for him and the office. Whilst his advisors, inner circle and left leaning fans in the media live in a world where extra marital affairs are de rigueur, out there in middle New Zealand and particularly in South Auckland, fidelity to one’s spouse or significant other is afforded a high priority and those who treat such vows or commitments with the cavalier disdain that Brown has in his relationship are always treated with less respect. The love that a couple has for one another is reinforced, protected and enhanced by fidelity and cheapened and disrespected when an affair occurs. Whilst none of us conduct ourselves in marriages/unions/long term relationships with absolute perfection, it is considered part of being a good person that we try our hardest. When in highly public life (like being the mayor of NZ’s largest city), a commodity like trust is an important currency in the rough and tumble of the political world because elected officials are entrusted with our taxes or rates. When a high profile person like Len Brown proves that he cannot be trusted by those who he professes to love the most (his wife and children) then the community’s trust is severely affected. This loss of trust and the justifiable shame that surrounds such blatant infidelity is the reason why resignation is seen universally as the most honourable option.

    Because the left will cut so many ethical corners to obtain power, it comes as no surprise that they suspend the age old notions of honour, penitence and doing the decent thing (like resigning) to cling on to power.

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  112. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    Chris Ford has acknowledged his error and has apologised to the Slaters:

    Chris Ford: Apologies for error in Len Brown blog

    I wish to point out that as one commenter under my Len Brown blog said it was not John Slater (father of Cameron Slater) but John Collinge who had sex on the table at the High Commission in London.

    For this reason, I sincerely apologise for the error to Cameron Slater and John Slater for the error. I will never agree with the way Cameron Slater goes about things or with his politics, but where an error has been made I have an ethical duty to correct my mistake and to apologise to him and his family.

    I cannot for some reason edit the post and correct my error. I will ask Admin to make that correction or enable me to have the means to do so as quickly as possible.

    Chris Ford

    http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/chris-ford-apologies-error-len-brown-blog/1273/170989

    Ford has transferred the allegation to John Collinge:

    Not only has he defamed John Slater, he has also effectively defamed John Collinge. Collinge has never ever confessed to having sex on the London High Commission table – this has become almost an urban legend. In fact he denies it strongly.

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  113. tvb (4,313 comments) says:

    Brown clearly has a political problem now. How he handles this will determine how effective he is as Mayor. He needs to develop a media/political strategy fast if he intends to remain as Mayor. He is not doing well so far. These sorts of scandals can be survived but will Lenny. The allegations of VD, the threatening texts and the woman scorned all add up to a first class problem that needs to be managed skillfully by Brown.

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  114. Rich Prick (1,651 comments) says:

    Brown is damaged. Not by having an affair per see, but rather:

    1) Having one with a person in circumstances where it could be perceived he abused a position of power.

    2) Committing acts in a place of work, during work hours when a mere employee in similar circumstances would be down the road.

    3) Allegedly threatening the woman’s career prospects.

    4) Playing the victim card rather than taking resonsibility for his actions – a leadership characteristic I would have thought to be rather important.

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  115. Keeping Stock (10,261 comments) says:

    SGA said

    On 25 June 1999, 17 days after divorcing his second wife, Rupert Murdoch, then aged 68, married Chinese-born Deng Wendi, then aged 30.

    And look how that ended SGA; in very expensive tears :D

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  116. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    Re: Kiwi in America at 1132.

    That is the most perceptive and thoughtful comment so far. Hear hear!

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  117. SGA (982 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock at 11:54 am
    And look how that ended SGA; in very expensive tears

    I didn’t realise there’d been tears. In terms of expense, I doubt Murdoch’s going to feel much pain.

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  118. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    Said Len to Bev “I won’t kid ya,
    My massive cock is no middler
    Just look at that whopper!”
    as he whipped out his chopper
    Said Bev, “Get Real! What a tiddler!”

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  119. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    2013 has certainly been a good bad year for politicians getting their dicks out and embarrassing themselves! :-)

    RRM wasn’t too upset when Dr Brash traded his wife in for the Singaporean. Not too upset about this either, although I guess it is always more sewious when someone who is your political opponent gets caught lying or cheating or with his dick out…

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  120. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The whole affair gives a new meaning to the phrase: “Fucking Len Brown“.

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  121. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    I partially feel sorry for the woman though, she’s no victim, nevertheless she is only 33 and forever tarred as Mr Brown’s Asian Beaver. I hope the Mayoral dick was worth it.

    RRM might have made the “donation” in his youth… it’s better to get it out of your system before you get married and make committments though, IMHO…

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  122. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Could all those people who say that leadership is a position of trust and that marital fidelity is a test of this please refer us to

    1. their comments when Brash was selected to lead the National Party? (an affair led to his first marriage ending).
    2. their comments when his subsequent affair was revealed in 2006?

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  123. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    I’ll play the game SPC:

    1. None.
    2. None.

    Do I get the ball now?

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  124. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Recall.

    “Don Brash took leave on 13 September 2006, to sort out marital troubles”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Brash

    “2005 is shaping up as a two horse race, Clark v Brash, which could almost head towards the mud slinging of a US Presidential race – shown recently in the public spat between the two over Helen Clark’s lack of respect for the institution of marriage and Don Brash’s extra-marital affair”

    http://salient.org.nz/features/don-brash-zero-to-hero-or-banker-to-wanker

    “The cable says that the party’s deputy director of research told embassy contacts that recent news about Dr Brash’s affair caused some “initial panic” among party ranks.

    MP Chris Finlayson told them the party was maintaining a “business as usual” mentality. “However, one party staffer told us some in National are concerned that Brash’s alleged recidivist infidelity (his current marriage is a result of a previous extramarital affair) could cost the party support, especially among women voters.

    “National Party insiders tell us Brash has also emailed his MPs instructing them not to address or react to any questions or insinuations regarding his private life.”

    A third cable, sent on September 19, concludes that the alleged affair had not diminished Dr Brash’s popularity with voters.

    “With a fairly relaxed attitude towards sex, Kiwis seem largely unperturbed about Brash’s alleged marital transgression … Kiwis seem to be registering their distaste that their MPs’ private lives are being made public. “Meanwhile, PM Helen Clark has raised the public mudslinging another notch by accusing National of being behind rumours that her husband is gay,” the cable said.

    The cable concluded that, by Kiwi standards, the political climate at the time was defined by unprecedented levels of “tit-for-tat”.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4952918/US-told-of-panic-at-Don-Brashs-affair

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  125. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Another bold “prediction” from Colonial Viper, a moron commentator at the sewer:
    Brown now has to move on and get on with the business of getting the new City Council together, and getting the business done for Auckland.

    He does and this personal life sexual shit fight in the media will be history in 72 hours.

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  126. Fletch (6,233 comments) says:

    57% of people on the NZ Herald poll say he should step down.

    Messages flooded Mr Brown’s Facebook page and a poll on nzherald.co.nz showed 57 per cent of nearly 30,850 people believed he should stand down

    Quite attractive daughters in the accompanying photo.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11140645

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  127. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Whale’s site doesn’t appear to be updating properly, no new stories since this morning?

    Anyone know what’s going on?

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  128. alex Masterley (1,507 comments) says:

    Manolo,
    I think CV is right (sadly).
    Brown’s peccadillos will be in the news cycle for 24 hrs then the lemmings in the media will be off chasing some other story.
    Brown has probably had some-one like Brian Edwards giving him that advice.

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  129. gnadsmasher (47 comments) says:

    So Brown was outed by an adulterer who claims to be a good family man, cites proverbs and is an anti name suppression advocate who filed for name suppression when the details of his adulterous affair were made public in court. How is that not hypocrisy of the basest order?

    If Whale sought to keep his off-side dick wetting private, why does he think it is permissible to reveal Brown’s just because the latter is a political opponent? If fucking skanks was an impeachable offense, then FDR, Churchill, Eisenhower, MacArthur, Kennedy, Bush Sr. Lee Kuan Yew (and his son, the current PM), pretty much every French politician and UK Tory minister, as well every Asian local despot, would be out on their arse. So would a bunch of NZ church leaders, corporate moguls, media and sports figures.

    The fact is that if no exchange of money, favours or political opportunity was involved, then this is a private matter. Lets remove the sanctimonious claptrap being spewed by WO and others: Personal sexual misbehaviour between adults is not an indicator of official malfeasance or incompetence (I have shall leave Berlusconi out of this as he skews the sample. As for Clinton, he was impeached but that went nowhere).

    One thing is certain: National better hope that the blowback does not shine the light of scrutiny on the sex lives of its own luminaries, because (as Labour has found out) it will not be pretty. With regard to the not so lovely Bevan: politically unelectable before, politically untouchable now.

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  130. alex Masterley (1,507 comments) says:

    I have had issues getting on whales site as well.

    An educated guess is some-one/thing is trying to take it down?

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  131. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    nickb, something is strange with WO, but there are new posts today that don’t show on the front page, e.g.
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/face-day-54/#axzz2hpBfEDhx

    Once you’re into that post you can use the ‘Today’s Posts’ index on the left hand menu to get to other posts. I’ve found it best to right click them and open them in a new tab otherwise they get formatted differently. I thought it was just because I’m using Chrome.

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  132. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC, was Brash wanking in his office?

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  133. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    nickb at 12:54 pm
    Whale’s site doesn’t appear to be updating properly, no new stories since this morning?

    Anyone know what’s going on?

    Busy prepping woman #2 who might now be a tad media shy? This thing has more legs has a multi-legged thing.

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  134. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Perhaps a horde of the Standard’s loyal followers are trying to crash Whale’s site? It was pretty slow loading for much of yesterday, although that could just be journalists looking for ideas.

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  135. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    whale – hes not tweeting either. must be busy doing something…..

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  136. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    The ethics of the case (ignoring the private matter of what adults consent to and the impact of this on their other relationships).

    Given she was not an employee but someone appointed to a representative board

    1. did the affair begin before the board appointment, or afterwards? And if before, was her nomination for the board appointment influenced by the Mayor?

    2. as to the re-appointment to the board after 1 November, he has ended the affair before this issue arose – and she says while she voted for him he should on re-election now resign … (and let another Mayor decide this?).

    Some people cite council locations for the sexual activity as an issue, as if either resenting the use of public property for sexual activity, or in light of the possibility that an employer might have it in for them if they did the same thing on their employers premises (no matter that the employer was just as likely to do it on premises as any staff).

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  137. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    As a public service, Whale’s posts for today (excluding daily proverbs)
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/local-government-success-story-julie-hardaker/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/cartoon-day/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/dud-judge/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/auckland-council-code-conduct-say-lens-behaviour/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/dodgy-dams-extremely-dodgy-model/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/fifty-shades-brown-jokes/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/wednesday-general-debate-6/#axzz2hpBfEDhx
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/face-day-54/#axzz2hpBfEDhx

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  138. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, I don’t care what Brash does with his prick in his own office, why do you?

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  139. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    Because you’re trying to defend Len Brown’s actions by tying them to Don Brash. Duh.

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  140. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    SPC – paying a dude to beat off in his office. yeah, no worries. #class

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  141. kiwi in america (2,495 comments) says:

    SPC

    I told Brash to his face at a dinner after a symposium I was at where he was a speaker that he was a cad for cheating on his wife. His treachery in that regard was one of the reasons why I could not bring myself to vote for National in 2005.

    Chuang was an appointee not a Council staff member. Brown would have had no influence over a staff appointment as that would be decided on my the relevant manager or the CEO. Brown personally made the appointments to the Ethnic People’s Advisory Board – so Chuang’s appointment could well be the mayor’s version of an A for a lay. We’ll never know because Brown refuses to be interviewed by anyone except lefty fanboi John Campbell who was guaranteed to pee in his pocket.

    If your boss caught you bonking the secretary on his desk, 9 out of 10 would find some way to sack you. Likewise if you were caught wanking at your desk. If this had been a National Cabinet minister caught in an affair where identical facts had occurred you’d be baying for his resignation. Because he’s a left leaning politician, to the left his private life can never be a reason to stand down.

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  142. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    SPC

    ….”Given she was not an employee”….

    According to Bevan Chuang she first met Lying Len at a function in May 2011….by Aug that year he was buying her (cheap) lingerie so we can safely presume that he’d started spoofing over her by then.

    ….”She said Brown’s claims that she had not been employed by the council were false. In 2011, she said, she worked for the Auckland Art Gallery where Brown was a frequent visitor.”…..

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/exclusive-len-brown-sordid-affair-run-town-hall/#axzz2hpMZt3RL

    If so I would not be surprised if the Employment Court was interested regardless of the board appointment.

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  143. gump (1,613 comments) says:

    Did anybody see the Emmerson cartoon in the Herald this morning?

    Whale must really be stacking on the pounds again.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11140619

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  144. Reid (16,180 comments) says:

    Personal sexual misbehaviour between adults is not an indicator of official malfeasance or incompetence

    Yes, it is. It’s called integrity. Sexual misbehaviour is not the point, that’s not what the complaint is about, and you know it. The point is this:

    1) He initiated it. (So he should take responsibility for it.)

    2) He didn’t tell his family till last week, when he already knew he couldn’t stop it breaking. (Big lie #1 + only takes responsibility when there is no other alternative available – WITH HIS OWN FAMILY!!!!)

    3) He lies and claims it’s “political” on the spurious grounds the final vote isn’t yet counted. (I mean…) (Big lie #2)

    4) He blames the person whom he had the affair with, a person who is less able to emotionally cope, less able to financially cope, less culpable than he was in the whole thing. (No acceptance of responsibility #2 – this time with someone he was intimate with and by her account, even when it was happening he was acting totally selfishly, it was all about him, him, him.)

    So we have a lying philanderer who refuses to accept responsibility for his own mistakes and by all evidence is outrageously self-centred with a potential vicious streak when he believes he has been wronged.

    Now, what sort of idiots would vote someone like that into office in the first place and what sort of complete and utter mentals would defend a man like this once he’s in?

    And you cannot deny he is like this, it’s written all over the case evidence, for all but the blind and the stupid to see.

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  145. metcalph (1,426 comments) says:

    I was appalled at Brown’s crassness in describing a Hong-Kong born woman as a “Manchu Mistresss” (The Manchus live in northern China) and a “Geisha Girl” (Geishas are Japanese, a wholly different country). Describing her as a “Cantonese Cocktease” would have show far greater sensitivities to Asian ethnicities.

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  146. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, how is asking those who condemn Brown to first not be hypocrites – demonstrate their prior condemnation of Brash – a defence of Brown?

    Is their belief that trust in public officials is related to their private sexual life genuine and demonstrated on each occasion this becomes an issue or only for partisan political purposes? A dangerous tit for tat ensues if that is the latter is the case.

    I have simply said I did not make a condemnation of Brash the politician over his personal sexual life behaviour. And I won’t on this occasion either.

    How is demonstrating a consistent position that there is a distinction between private and public matters a defence of any particular politician?

    Challenging the hypocrisy of you right wingers is so easy, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

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  147. Redbaiter (8,252 comments) says:

    “I was appalled at Brown’s crassness in describing a Hong-Kong born woman as a “Manchu Mistresss””

    Something to do with the roles she danced?

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  148. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    nasska, the appointment to the board was in March 2011, so an affair that began in May 2011 was after the appointment.

    As kiwi in America noted she was not an employee but a board appointee, however he fails to note that the Mayor makes appointments based on nominations he receives. Given the timing there is no reason to think that he influenced nominations.

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  149. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    What Reid said.. it’s not the sex that’s the issue, it’s the dishonesty required to do it, then deny it, pretend it never happened…

    Personally I would be more disgusted if I caught my colleague / boss having a masty at his desk, than banging the receptionist / PA / ethnic consultant. Far more disgusted.

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  150. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    Is it fair to say there are different type of affairs?

    If you need to keep bringing up the Don… he had an affair with someone his own age. she was successful and didnt need anything from him. youd think, genuine emotion.

    Brown Len – from what we can tell he treated some young chick like a whore. he blew all over her face and rack as often as he could. he was jerking off all over himself at his desk while talking to her on the phone. then he wiped her like a dirty ass.

    guess its the same thing.

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  151. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    SPC, I think what Brash did was a negative indicator of his character. I didn’t vote for National with him as leader.

    What’s different now is that Brown has not kept it as his “private sexual life” as he had an affair with someone who was involved with the council, who he appointed to a council advisory board (on paper at least) and who he involved in council related business by taking her to official meetings. And the affair was conducted in his office and in other council venues.

    Brown has brought condemnation on himself by not separating his private life from his job and place of work.

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  152. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC, I think you’re trying too hard to defend Len. That says a lot about your own lack of character.

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  153. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Reid, any comments here from you on this blog on the selection of Brash to lead the National Party?

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  154. RRM (9,769 comments) says:

    Pete George –

    I almost DID vote for National when Brash was leader.

    I liked his style in always attempting to explain the nuts & bolts of issues to the media / public. Like he respected your ability to think about the issue and get his point of view.

    At the time I also liked the idea of having a balding, bespectacled white guy who was banging a fairly fit looking Singaporean for a PM. I was doing a chinese chick at the time also and Brash was as near as I’ve had to a personal hero in recent NZ politics :-)

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  155. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    dime, which affair are you referring to in the case of Brash?

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  156. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, once again – how is asking for some consistency from those who condemn Brown, a defence of Brown?

    After all BC said her problem with Brown was his hypocrisy (not sufficient to end it herself or inform others about it until after he ended it).

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  157. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    SPC

    Being a member of the Ethnic Peoples Advisory Panel is not a full time position. It seems that members receive a “meeting allowance for non elected members” of $235. The budget for the panel, presumably excluding attendance fees, is approx $87000/yr.

    I would suggest that if your only income was $235 month eating would be a luxury. Ergo Ms Chuang must have had some other paid employment.

    Probably at the Auckland Art Gallery as she stated.

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  158. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC, let’s ask for consistency from those who defend Brown then. What did Brown’s defenders have to say about Brash having an affair? How did they behave during the development of the Richard Worth scandal? Prove your position on those matters.

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  159. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, both kia and Pete George have said they took a similar position on the two cases. They provide no proof but I take them at their word that they were consistent.

    Once again you confuse a request that people not play politics with personal lives, or if they sincerely believe in relevance that they do at least be consistent at keep the partisanship out of it, with being a defence of whatever politician is under the pump at the time.

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  160. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    SPC – thats it. dont acknowledge the point i was making. keep spinning.

    Len is a scumbag.

    Brash was also scummy cheating, but len.. jesus christ..

    what would upset you more SPC? your daughter having an affair that was also a caring type relationship.. or one where a guy 25 years older just uses her as a cum dumpster.

    feel free to admit the way len treated this girl was shit.

    disclosure – the girl is also trash and batshit crazy

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  161. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    “Right Now, both kia and Pete George have said they took a similar position on the two cases. They provide no proof but I take them at their word that they were consistent.”

    LMAO they provide no proof? how dare they! surely they have sworn statements from the time that they could send to a kiwiblog troll

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  162. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    nasska, by that definition of employee of a Mayor, then anyone working in the public service could not have sex with the PM.

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  163. SGA (982 comments) says:

    nasska at 2:01 pm
    I would suggest that if your only income was $235 month eating would be a luxury. Ergo Ms Chuang must have had some other paid employment.

    Probably at the Auckland Art Gallery as she stated.

    Not so sure about the art gallery recently, nasska – from the information on the vote.co.nz site

    Bevan Chuang is a 1.5 generation Hong Kong Chinese New Zealander. Have been living in Auckland since 1996, speaks fluent Cantonese, Mandarin and English. Read and write Simplified and Traditional Chinese. Worked with various Government agencies, NGOs, events and communities organisations, projects.

    Bevan is a Co-Host on Asia Focus on 104.2FM and 笑談天下 on 99.4FM. She is also a member of the Ethnic Peoples Advisory Panel, the Chair of Asian Women and Family Trust, Secretary for the Auckland Chinese Community Centre, Committee Member for the New Zealand Chinese Association, Partnership Manager for Hong Kong Festival, Secretary for Auckland Chinese Garden, Co-Chair of Banana Conference.

    She is also member of the Asia New Zealand Foundation’s Young Leaders Network, an alumni for New Zealand Chinese Association’s Leadership and Development Conference, Executive Member of the New Zealand China Trade Association’s Youth Wing.

    Sounds like a busy, competent young woman.

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  164. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    dime, the nature of the politicians relationships etc is only relevant if you believe what two consenting adults do is relevant to their public life.

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  165. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    @SPC

    Once again you confuse a request that people not play politics with personal live…

    Once again you seem to be ignoring the fact that Brown played personal in his political life and in his political places of work.

    If he had kept this affair private I would still have criticised the fact he cheated on his family but would have said that it was just a personal matter. But Brown made it a work/political matter.

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  166. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC, where have you made the “request that people not play politics with personal lives, or if they sincerely believe in relevance that they do at least be consistent at keep the partisanship out of it”?

    Is it something you’ve only posted here on Kiwiblog in relation to the Len Brown affair, or is this a position you take across multiple blogs in relation to events involving politicians from across the political spectrum? I’m sure you can demonstrate your consistency?

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  167. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    A whale oil update @ 330…

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  168. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Pete George, you earlier posted that Brash’s affair was a negative indication as to his character and that you did not vote for him, now you say it was a private matter. I am left a little confused.

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  169. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    “dime, the nature of the politicians relationships etc is only relevant if you believe what two consenting adults do is relevant to their public life.”

    well yeah, i do.

    Imagine a politician you cant stand. really hate him. hes prime minister.

    Once a week he has an 18 year old school girl come into his office and horse him with a strap on.. during business hours.

    youd be cool with that, right?

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  170. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    I’m just not cool with people wanking at work.
    I’m not cool with a bunch of other shit that clearly went on too, but how on earth can he continue to be mayor when it’s public knowledge he was wanking at work?

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  171. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, my position is one I have held for some decades.

    A more general comment is that those who play the family values card are usually the ones most held accountable in these instances – it is the hypocrisy that eats away at their credibility.

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  172. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC:

    Brown had developed and campaigned on an image of a family man and worn his religious beliefs on his sleeve, making the scandal much more harmful, media and political commentator Brian Edwards said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9287275/Hard-for-Brown-to-remain-mayor-commentator

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  173. Pete George (23,421 comments) says:

    SPC – as far as I can remember Brash’s infidelity was done in private, so it remained a personal/private issue albeit a blemish on his character.

    Brown’s infidelity involved someone associated with his job as mayor, he involved her with council business, he involved council staff and he used council premises. He compromised a security worker. He clearly mixed personal with business to a significant extent. Very different.

    He shouldn’t get away with claiming that it’s all personal/private. If he wanted it to be private he should have kept it private.

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  174. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    Is there anything worse than when youre jerking off at your desk at work and people keep knocking on your door!

    wanting to discuss pesky work issues.

    Hate it.

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  175. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, I have no problem with the fact that other people wank, and I don’t need to know where they do it or who they are thinking of when they do.

    Nearly every male has a history of wanking, if one thought about that every time you shook someones hand at a workplace each morning where would it end?

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  176. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    SPC

    ….” by that definition of employee of a Mayor, then anyone working in the public service could not have sex with the PM.”….

    Even I wouldn’t have sex with anyone working in the public service but I’ll concede that it’s a matter of pride.

    SGA

    The statement about her art gallery employment was made by Ms Chuang herself & quoted on Whale’s site yesterday. It seems highly unlikely that she would lie about something that could be easily disproved & used to blow the entire story out of the water. On the other hand good Ol’Len would just bullshit out of habit.

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  177. grumpy (255 comments) says:

    Ha, Dime. Yes there is. Just about to give one of the staff a pearl necklace and the bloody security guy walks through the door!

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  178. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    ya know dime, I reckon you’re the type that could get sprung whacking your weasel at work and people would say “it’s just dime being dime”

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  179. grumpy (255 comments) says:

    At least if he just kept to wanking he wouldn’t have the issue of the Clap.

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  180. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now 2.46, that is what I meant, but given he has been re-elected it may not be relevant for another 3 years.

    For that one might like to thank those who sat on the information until after the vote.

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  181. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    As to the wanking, once Brown read her public statement that she wanted a dragon baby and was looking for a sperm donor as she had no partner …

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  182. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC – ” if one thought about that every time you shook someones hand at a workplace each morning where would it end?”

    Well now it’s public knowledge Len was wanking at work I would think there’ll be a few people hesitant to shake his hand, or sit on his office furniture.

    And didn’t Len donate all over her? Very generous donor Mr Brown.

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  183. SGA (982 comments) says:

    nasska at 2:42 pm

    The statement about her art gallery employment was made by Ms Chuang herself & quoted on Whale’s site yesterday. It seems highly unlikely that she would lie about something that could be easily disproved & used to blow the entire story out of the water. On the other hand good Ol’Len would just bullshit out of habit.

    You might be right – I thought I saw that too, but I can’t find it now. It wasn’t clear to me at the time whether she was an employee of the art gallery, or whether she was there in on a contract/consultancy basis (she seems to do a bit of that sort of thing). For the record, I’m not in Auckland and I really don’t give a rat’s backside one way or another about Len Brown.

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  184. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    They could always mount a few of those glove dispensers used in hospitals around his office RightNow. :)

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  185. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, since the wanking was in 2011 and 2012 and there was only one encounter (July) this year, presuming the cleaners are worthy of their living wage, it should be safe next time you shake his hand.

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  186. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    nasska, did you use ‘mount’ on purpose?

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  187. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    Brash didn’t have his affairs while he was a politician.
    Brown did. The standards are higher when you are in public office.
    And the others are right. Wanking in his office!
    FFS Hes a laughing stock and a disgrace. His mana has totally gone. He has bought disrespect upon the office of mayor, not to mention a few inappropriate stains. He should resign and fuck off.

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  188. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    SGA

    …”I’m not in Auckland and I really don’t give a rat’s backside one way or another about Len Brown.”….

    Mercifully neither am I. I’d just like to see the lying socialist bastard shot down in a shower of shit.

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  189. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    As a rule I think I’ll just not shake any politician’s hand from now on.

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  190. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    Len Brown, if he’s not slapping one head he’s slapping the other.

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  191. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    All on Red, so leader of the Opposition is not a public position or a job for a politician?

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  192. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    WO has updated post coming at 3.30…

    He’s still having website troubles, right clicking on Today’s Post & reload seems to work for me. Worked for Len as well…

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  193. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    ….”did you use ‘mount’ on purpose”….

    I see what you’re getting at RightNow….a poor choice of a word when discussing the Auckland mayoral offices.

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  194. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    SPC
    Brash had the affair before he took the job.
    What was your position on Richard Worth?
    Because he lost his job over a lot less than what Brown has done.

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  195. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    All on Red, which affair are you referring too – the first ended his marriage, the second was with Diane Foreman and was this not while he was a politician. It ended his second marriage in 2007.

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  196. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    You know, this only confirms one thing. Old white kiwi’s in a position of trust sees young asiatic woman? Mmmmmm Love you long time. They just can’t help themselves, it’s just as bad as old white gay kiwi’s who live here for a few months then go off back to Thailand or they bring there boy boyfriends back but at least they are not married.

    It must be that old cultural system that some countries still adhere to.

    Wait! There must be something with this country then?

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  197. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    SPC
    No view on Richard Worth?

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  198. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    All On Red, the comparison is not between Brown and Worth, as Worth resigned while under police investigation based on complaints to them. The comparison to that case is to Hughes. This is one more akin to Brash, having a consensual “affair”.

    The only new detail, once it has been clarified that the appointment of the women to the board was made before the Mayor met her, is the use of council premises for personal business – that then requires some definition of “business” – the sex not being a commercial transaction.

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  199. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Azeraph, most old white men in New Zealand did not meet young Asian women in New Zealand while young men.

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  200. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    SPC – LEN BROWN JERKS OFF AT WORK!

    LEN BROWN SPENT TWO YEARS BANGING SOME YOUNG CHICK AND TREATING HER LIKE A WHORE

    jesus. youre spinning all fucking day.

    spin, deflect, spin, deflect.

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  201. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    dime, it’s touching that you are jealous that someone else has their own office so they can jerk off during work hours, or that they can pull a younger chick and after treating her as an unpaid whore, he is still the one ending the relationship.

    And you find what you are jealous of others doing, to be so morally wrong

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  202. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    SPC – just pointing out the facts. Ill keep doing it to. Every 5 SPC spin posts, followed by the facts.

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  203. Chuck Bird (4,821 comments) says:

    I hear Duncan Gardner hope to get Bevan on the show on RadioLive before 6pm.

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  204. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC, a couple of us are still waiting for you to make your position on the Richard Worth saga clear, because you don’t want us to think you’re a hypocrite do you?

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  205. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    dime, I guess you find it objectionable that older men have sex with younger women and that those with their own offices can wank at work.

    As for having some objection to how people treat those they are having sex with, when this is within the law and requires both parties to remain involved for it to continue (for all her complaints it was he who ended their relationship).

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  206. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    SPC
    Don’t you think people who represent the public and are paid to do so should be held to a higher standard?

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  207. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    SPC – i guess no matter what anyone says you will keep going back and referring to other people, spinning, making assumptions.

    The guy is a sleazy asshole and shouldnt be mayor.

    That is my opinion. You are not capable of changing this opinion.

    The guy is a joke.

    “mayor of auckland? you the guy that jacks off at his desk?”

    ever seen Californication? The agent in that gets the sack for the same offence. becomes a pariah.

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  208. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, I am aware that getting in the way of those seeking to get somebody is not a safe position to be in, the mob wants to get somebody after all. Let those who are without sin cast the first stone as they say.

    As for Worth, I have already said the comparison is to Hughes as he resigned because of complaints to police. The comparison would be whether my position on Worth and Hughes was consistent

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  209. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    “Let those who are without sin cast the first stone as they say.”

    I’ve been casting it all day. I believe in being faithful to your spouse, and cheating on your spouse is as good as indication as any that you’re untrustworthy. Especially when you lie for 2 years and only come clean when you know you’re about to be outed.

    There is no excusing this. You can try and tie it to some moral equivalence. You can try and say what two people do is their own business. But you’re just spinning bullshit – it goes to the character of the man who is mayor of Auckland, holding a public office that demands high standards. He’s a proven lying, cheating wanker. And I think you are likely his moral equivalent.

    That Lying Len has not yet resigned is a further black mark on his character. He’s clinging to power and money and doesn’t have an honest bone in his body.

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  210. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    All on Red, if there is a higher standard to be expected, what is it (does anyone know what it is) and do we agree on what it should be? Should it include ones private life activities and if so to what extent – only procreative sex acts with a monogamous partner prior to running for office or as a standard once in a public role (what is a public role), any extra-martial sex requiring a condom where would it end?

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  211. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, so what was your position on Brash being selected to lead the National Party after his past affair and the position you had when reports of his affair with Foreman became known? Brash did not so much as resign but was pushed out.

    You clearly state your expectations of public figures.

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  212. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    SPC – Dime will help you out.

    1) – Dont beat off at work

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  213. calendar girl (1,213 comments) says:

    SPC @ 3:35. No, that’s not the only outstanding detail. I would need to know unequivocally whether Auckland Council funds were used to pay for the three premium hotels in Auckland that Mr Brown is said to have arranged for certain of his trysts with Ms Chuang – leaving room keys for her to pick up at Town Hall Reception.

    Note: Any suggestion of Mr Brown paying back any such costs to Council subsequently, saying that it was all an honest mistake when he was “under pressure of work”, would not rank as believable in my mind.

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  214. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    SPC
    Well I think showing respect for the office (pardon the pun) is a good start. Behaving in a way which doesn’t bring disrepute onto the office you hold and are paid for.
    I think having sex and wanking in the Mayors office is pretty much in the sphere of being disrespectful and then making the position you hold a laughing stock.
    For goodness sake, you did that in the private sector and you would be gone too.
    FWIW if he had had the affair at her place and not at his work I would agree with you. But he didn’t. So hes fucked. He has to go. You cant have your Mayor being a laughing stock and subject to ridicule.

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  215. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, I guess the reference to those without sin casting the first stone went right over your head.

    It is rare to find those as worthy as you for the judgement of others.

    But as to the original saying, and relevance – he ended the affair in July. Presuming there is no new one, it is in the past.

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  216. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    calendar girl, sure use of council money for personal purposes, such as using hotels for what was not council business would be improper, but there is no reason to think that was done.

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  217. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    “but there is no reason to think that was done.”

    exactly! Len doesnt have a history of misusing/ stealing rate payers money

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  218. SGA (982 comments) says:

    nasska at 1:25 pm

    ….”She said Brown’s claims that she had not been employed by the council were false. In 2011, she said, she worked for the Auckland Art Gallery where Brown was a frequent visitor.”…..
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/exclusive-len-brown-sordid-affair-run-town-hall/#axzz2hpMZt3RL

    nasska – just went back and checked. I can’t find any mention of the Art Gallery in your link. Wrong link, or has someone reconsidered what they posted? Curious (I thought I’d seen mention of the art gallery as well).

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  219. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC – as it happens I wasn’t ‘right’ then, so not sure any comparison would be valid. To be honest I wasn’t really into politics at all and don’t really recall the events.

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  220. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    All on Red, it would have been better if people had voted knowing it all. Some people may have voted differently and at least it was their collective consensus and free from undue influence from interested parties.

    I am unsure as to any parallels to a CEO having to resign after having sex in his office with a woman he was having an affair with. Maybe it has happened but was kept in house, maybe not.

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  221. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    “I guess the reference to those without sin casting the first stone went right over your head.”

    What is it with you? Where is your sense of honour? Can’t you say “I married this woman and I will be faithful to her”? More to the point, can’t you BE faithful, rather than lie about it.

    People make vows to be faithful. When you break those you’re a lowlife asshole. Get it?

    “It is rare to find those as worthy as you for the judgement of others.”

    No doubt because of the company you keep. Try hanging out with people that have moral fibre.

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  222. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Presuming there is no new one, it is in the past.

    So in SPC’s world you only have to resign if you get caught in the act?

    One presumes he also thinks Weiner should get back on the job in the US then.

    Edit: Surely Ronnie Biggs could have used “it’s in the past” as a defence in the UK? Or is it different if it’s money?

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  223. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    yes bhudson, Weiner’s only transgression was not understanding how to make his tweets private.
    /SPC mode

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  224. All_on_Red (1,548 comments) says:

    SPC
    Its simple. You cant have someone as a Mayor representing your city when they wank in their office- shit I cant believe I’m actually typing this!

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  225. nasska (11,085 comments) says:

    SGA

    Mea culpa….I had multiple tabs open & linked to the wrong post. Should be:

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/exclusive-len-brown-fresh-revelations/#axzz2hpMZt3RL

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  226. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    It is absolutely fucking staggering that this guy appears to be going to keep his job.
    He wanks off at his desk, roots in the sacred Maori Spiritual whatever-it-is room, and does it all during work time and at the ratepayers expense…
    Anyone else would be sacked. Immediately.

    And in case anyone had forgotten what an absolute dickhead this guy always has been- Here is Loopy Len ‘Gangsta Rapping’…

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  227. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    bhudson, I was saying he has ended the affair, it is is no longer current – saying a person is not fit for office because of a past affair is like saying that National was wrong to select someone who had an extra-marital affair in the past as leader when they chose Brash.

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  228. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Len Brown should be thanking the staggeringly inept John Banks for taking some of the heat off him today.

    Just what the left wing MSM needs to divert their attention away.

    Good one Banksie, you moron. Another Winston moment too I see – “I can’t recall a helicopter ride to a palatial Coatesville mansion”

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  229. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    right now, some on the right love to cite Christianity as a source for western civilisation, but when its principles of forgiveness and redemption are mentioned the right is often the source of those who show little of it, rather standing by their own superior moral righteousness.

    While not gay I will defend their right to love and have legal relationships equal to others and while not practicing any affairs, I won’t be condemning those that do either.

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  230. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    @SPC,

    So what you’re saying is it is perfectly ok for him to have an affair for 2 years or more while mayor of Auckland, including masturbating at his desk and having sex on a council table, as long as he ends the affair before the election.

    An interesting moral compass you possess.

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  231. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    budson, I guess you are deliberately forgetting the context, redemption and forgiveness can only begin by ending the affair.

    But as to motive in ending it, if it were political he would have continued until after the election to keep her sweet.

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  232. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    @SPC,

    Motive for ending it is irrelevant. Your point was that because it was over it was ‘in the past’ and no longer relevant. That means that your view must be that he can abuse the trust of his wife and have an affair for two or more years as mayor, but it is all ok if he ends it prior to the election.

    Interesting.

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  233. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    bhudson, that he ended it before he was caught is in his favour, in so far as such things go.

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  234. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    The only thing that would make this any better is if there is a love child on the way.

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  235. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    SPC at 4:45 pm
    bhudson, I was saying he has ended the affair, it is is no longer current – saying a person is not fit for office because of a past affair is like saying that National was wrong to select someone who had an extra-marital affair in the past as leader when they chose Brash.

    So using your logic, if he had murdered a few people in the past, but then stopped, he’d be all good to be mayor so long as he doesn’t do it again? Or do you have a more select list of what’s ok to have done, but no longer doing it?

    Could you post the list please to clear up our misunderstanding? Thanks.

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  236. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    nickb at 5:07 pm
    The only thing that would make this any better is if there is a love child on the way.

    The way Brown’s been doing the deed, this is likely to be the result:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_uterus

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  237. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Sidey, the personal behaviour of someone connected to their suitability for in public office being discussed is that which does not include criminal actions.

    This is not Banks (going to court), Worth or Hughes (no charges laid after investigations concluded) scenario where there is the possibility of criminal charges.

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  238. Sidey (249 comments) says:

    Well, SPC, according to you that’s the approach. Not sure who voted to allow you to decide what the baseline should be.

    If others think the bar should be set higher than you’d like it set, that’s a perfectly valid viewpoint.

    You seem to be pretty hot on making sure that morally dubious acts are not regarded as an impediment to public office – not planning on running for office with a dodgy past are you?

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  239. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    So let me get this right SPC, someone who has entered into a contract and then breaks that contract because they’re horny is still someone you think suitable to hold the power of making decisions regarding the Auckland super-city.
    He’ll be signing deals with the next vendor to buy him a lap dance, that’s how much self control he’s got.
    And he’s not repentant, this is a continuation of his pattern of “honesty with limits”. He’s told just enough to make it seem that he’s contrite, but he’s a seasoned liar remember.

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  240. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    What gets me is ” Why did she go to Cameron?” Why not Campbell? and why after 1 text?

    Yeah yeah, I know, conspiracy crap but one must ask these Q’s

    Sorry but i can’t help myself. Has Cameron put the moves on her? he heh

    Well, from the little knowledge i have on this is that it ended and that was that. I hope they don’t drag his family through the feeding frenzy but then everyone hasn’t had blood for a while haven’t they?

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  241. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Sidey, I am just saying is there a history of those in public office resigning because of extra-marital sex? If not why in this case?

    Not Muldoon, if rumours were true back in those days, not in the day of Lange, not Brash while running the RB or while leader of the opposition.

    Those who think it is an issue in Brown’s case – what did they hold in the case of Brash when chosen National leader or later when his second affair occurred while in that role.

    If there is a standard for those in public office it has not to date included resigning because of an extra-marital affair.

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  242. Reid (16,180 comments) says:

    right now, some on the right love to cite Christianity as a source for western civilisation, but when its principles of forgiveness and redemption are mentioned the right is often the source of those who show little of it, rather standing by their own superior moral righteousness.

    SPC personally I wouldn’t sully Christianity with the accusation that it is responsible for Western “civilisation” but as a Christian, I do equate it to good morality and of course I forgive Len. However a part of forgiveness that some including you don’t appear to understand, is that it involves holding people to account, as well as forgiving their fall for there but for the grace of God go you and I and everyone else and therefore, who are we to judge? But in our fumbling human way, we have human remedies for someone who transgresses our human ways and there is nothing in the Bible that I know of which says we have to forego those remedies, it’s simply part of the penance.

    And this repentance aspect that applies to someone who is being forgiven in a Christian sense, isn’t being fulfilled by Len.

    The moral trangressions Len is guilty of for which he needs to repent are:
    – not telling his family until it was clear he was going to be outed
    – sending or authorising to be sent threatening text messages to the party which he inveigled into sin
    – abusing the trust of the people of Auckland by doing what he did in his mayoral offices

    Notice SPC that none of these have anything to do with the sexual acts themselves, which appears to be the lefty line: it’s not the worst thing in the world, everyone does it, etc. This appears to be the only crime, in your collective eyes. Which is staggering unless you’re all being totally disingenuous but I suspect some, perhaps many of you, actually believe your own lie.

    The worst one of the three for me is number two, for that is the action of a vindictive bully who can’t face up to his own responsibilities and it cannot be explained in any other way given this girls relative youth and powerlessness by comparison to his age and position.

    And that alone to me is enough to disqualify him as fit for the office he was elected to. Add the other two abuses of trust, the worst of which is against his own family, and the totality of his offence combined with his lack of repentance simply puts him further beyond tolerance. Why you lefties can’t see this speaks volumes for your approach to politics and perhaps you should ask yourselves, those with a conscience, whether your approach where the ends justifies the means, really is the way to go or whether you should, every now and then, recognise there are some things beyond the pale, and supporting a vindictive unrepentant bully in the high office he holds, is perhaps one of those things.

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  243. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Reid, repentance is demonstrated by ending it, as for confessing it to ones partner – who will be hurt by finding out about it. I am not sure if his church would require that as part of any confession of wrong doing for that very reason.

    You will recall the bible has Jesus saying sin no more, not go and confess to your marriage partner.

    On Point 3, that is a matter for the council – code of conduct for elected persons (applying it to a Mayor would be a novelty).
    On Point 2, it is hard to know who was involved and why
    On Point 1, she said that as little as a week ago she was not sure if she would make it public about the time he told his wife. So the timing does imply that it would not have been his choice to tell her.

    If she was warned not to go public, because it would impact on her own future options if she did, and she saw that as a threat and that decided her on going public as she says – then it is an irony. Because she received the advice which she chose not to take the impact on her future will occur. And if she had not received the advice then we would never have known and she would have been better off.

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  244. dime (9,792 comments) says:

    So yeah, the mayor of auckland was jerking off all over himself while at work.

    he needs to go.

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  245. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Looks like Brown is here to stay. Now TV3 has decided they are going to put Cam Slater on trial to divert the attention away from poor little Lenny.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Slater-denies-political-motive-in-Len-Brown-sex-scandal/tabid/1607/articleID/317388/Default.aspx

    I am amazed at how many people are forcefully saying it is just between Brown and his wife.

    ANY worker in the private sector that fucks women here, there and everywhere throughout their work premises DURING WORKING HOURS is gone.

    This isn’t even considering the inherent conflict of interest that may have occurred in Brown appointing her to boards and the threatening emails (what’s the bet the MSM never follows up where they came from).

    There is more to this, no doubt. Len is lying through his teeth already, trying to state that their affair ended “about the middle of the year” when there are texts to her on 25 July. Thats only 11 weeks ago!

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  246. Reid (16,180 comments) says:

    On Point 3, that is a matter for the council – code of conduct for elected persons (applying it to a Mayor would be a novelty).

    No it’s not, you’re being disingenuous. Being elected to office is a matter of trust. An elected official is elected on the basis they are being to use the resources of the office in a fit and proper way. In other words, you don’t do an Alamein Koopu and sell the office furniture after you’ve been fired, and you don’t use the premises to engage in your own pleasures when they have nothing to do with the job you were elected to do. Imagine the next Mayor sitting at the same desk he was at when he had the reported phone call in which he couldn’t control himself. BTW, do you really think it’s normal for a 57 yo man to get so carried away he can’t control himself, both at home in the morning and even when he’s at work? What does that say about his ability to act responsibly and maturely AS IS REQUIRED by the nature of his office?

    On Point 2, it is hard to know who was involved and why

    No again. It’s not hard at all to conclude that either he typed the message and sent it himself or he told someone else to do it. I mean, what. Do you think some third party just sent that exact wording just out of the blue? C’mon.

    On Point 1, she said that as little as a week ago she was not sure if she would make it public about the time he told his wife. So the timing does imply that it would not have been his choice to tell her.

    Of course it does. So the only possible conclusion is that if this had never happened his wife and kids would still be in the dark, isn’t it. So what does that say to you about whether or not Len is sorry for what he did? From the facts to date, the only possible conclusion is the only thing Len is sorry for is that he was caught.

    And what does all of that say to you about the man who is trusted to run Auckland and take billion dollar decisions?

    Not to mention his past abuses of trust re: the credit cards.

    What the heck is wrong with you lefties? You claim to be moral arbiters. Yet when one of your own is exposed to be thoroughly lacking in such and further, entirely through his own crapulence, you rush in wholesale to defend the wretch.

    Says a lot about your standards and your priorities.

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  247. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    “Let those who are without sin cast the first stone as they say.”

    Rocks coming your way. I’ve done some horrible things to people, but I have never had a pull when I’m on the pay roll.

    “As a council lets all pull together.”

    SPC wins the prize as Lennys wanking mate for his efforts here today.

    The left are happy for the mayor to have sex at work in a public place
    Have a pull in his office.

    Makes Andrew Williams having a leak against a tree commendable.

    Lets audit the spending , he’s a leftie there is no way he will have paid out of his own pocket for a stray. there’ll be a paper trail from here to the Bombays.

    And is my neighbour the stupiest councillor there (rhetorical) – yes she is.

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  248. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    reid, do the left really claim to be the moral arbiters? I thought it was the right who were more likely to impose their morality in public law and defend this as the righteousness of western Christendom?

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  249. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    reid, we will have to disagree as to whether repentance means ending the wrongdoing or also informing the spouse, I can quote Jesus saying sin no more, not go and tell your spouse you have done so they can judge you for it. Informing the spouse only causes them the hurt.

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  250. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Tale of two tapes today.

    Banksy might be in the shit so he resigns as minister
    Lying len is in the shit and goes” nothing to see here move along”.

    lefty wankers you might have noticed very few people on here are defending Banksy

    lefty wankers falling over themselves to defend lying Len.

    I am trying to get a masturbation break clause written into my new contract.

    Thats the difference between the right and left – I ask but the left just take .

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  251. Chuck Bird (4,821 comments) says:

    I would assume Len would have a hand phone in the car the rate payers pay for. When he was on the phone to Bevan in the office he had a wank. When he was on the phone to her at home he had a wank. I wonder if he could control him self while driving if she called him while he was driving?

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  252. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Chuck

    I hope he didn’t go in for any of that sodomy palaver!!!!!!!!!

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  253. Chuck Bird (4,821 comments) says:

    “I hope he didn’t go in for any of that sodomy palaver!!!!!!!!!”

    I hope not for the sake of the underpaid cleaners and the people who may eat off the table.

    Maori frown on people fully clothed sitting on a table one eats off.

    I see Metiria Turei has had a bit to say about Banks which is fair enough. I wonder if she will comment on Len’s use the part of the Town Hall that Maori use whatever it is called.

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  254. KevinH (1,192 comments) says:

    There is no doubt that Len Brown has made a complete fool of himself and humiliated his family to no end, and as John Minto correctly said he will be regarded as a lame duck Mayor as a consequence of his actions. His (Len Brown) revelations concerning his sexual appetite were distasteful for a senior public figure to disclose and have further tarnished his considerably damaged reputation. There can only be one solution to this situation and that is to resign.
    However in saying the above there is an element of conspiracy, a conspiracy to destroy a man in the worst possible way. Len took the bait and played with it and has now been burned. This whole affair stinks and raises many questions, it is a little to neat. The young lady at the centre of this affair has a contradictory profile, on one hand she appears to be a dynamic sophisticated young woman with strong political ambitions, while to the contrary she openly posts provocative soft porn pictures of herself on her profile as well as links to sex toys. There is more to this affair than meets the eye.

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  255. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    All of us blokes know from time to time, that all of our brains are at the end of our cock.

    Now if Brown had a functioning neurone or two, he would have have known to be more discreet. GIANT fail here.

    Now, we have Key (a family man too), commenting that he is still happy to work with Brown. By implication, it could be perceived that birds of a feather flock together….

    Since Brown has admitted to this affair (if not yet others), then Key really needs to make some distance between himself and Brown…and fast.

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  256. itstricky (1,762 comments) says:

    Tale of two tapes today.

    Banksy might be in the shit so he resigns as minister
    Lying len is in the shit and goes” nothing to see here move along”.

    Probably because there’s a teeny weeny difference between a prosecution and a moral wrong-doing and you can get away with the later.

    Like the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance – as that hudson chappy merrily tried to convince me that is wasn’t morally wrong the other day.

    Lenny should go. Don’t know who else there is though. Scrapping the barrel.

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  257. itstricky (1,762 comments) says:

    lefty wankers you might have noticed very few people on here are defending Banksy

    Probably because he is indefensible. You’d have come up the river on a cabbage boat if you thought otherwise.

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  258. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Paul Marsden, Key has two motives successfully working with the Auckland Council and not being directly involved in removing those elected to local government (leaving the process of any removal to the local level). After removing Ecan the government would not want to be seen as directly interfering in local matters again – not with an election coming up.

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  259. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    I suppose it is stating the obvious, but if the offence of the city council code of conduct for elected officers is use of council resources (if use of the office and other property for liaisons and visits by family and friends count as this) for personal business, then what is use of the work computer and internet connection to post on-line on Kiwiblog?

    After all a Mayor has no set hours of work – most will take hours out during the day and then return to work in the evenings at meetings or as Mayor at external events, unlike employees who work set hours yet have hands on workplace keyboards on-line posting about ethical behaviour at the workplace. Hypocrites.

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  260. RightNow (6,965 comments) says:

    SPC – I have two problems with Len Brown’s behaviour, neither of which make me a hypocrite. He was unfaithful to his wife, and he was wanking at work. Now you clearly don’t have a problem with either of those things, but that’s your set of standards you’re holding him to. I’m not prepared to accept those standards from an elected politician.
    I also don’t see how he can expect the respect and trust of those he has to work with.

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  261. SPC (5,532 comments) says:

    Right Now, hold your position across all cases of elected politicians adultery and you won’t be a hypocrite – but you are only one voter and not all voters will agree.

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  262. MajorBloodnok (361 comments) says:

    He has to go. He has no credibility. No one can believe anything he says, as we don’t know if his words can be trusted or not.

    His attitude towards women is appalling – both in his cavalier treatment of his promises to his wife, and also in the shockingly selfish and unprotective way he behaved towards his target.

    He has abused his position of power and responsibility. Someone with such horrendous judgement is clearly not possessed with the wisdom to oversee the running of a city of 1M people.

    He is not fit for office.

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  263. Azeraph (604 comments) says:

    MajorBloodnok (361) Says:
    October 17th, 2013 at 12:35 am

    As much as i like to agree this is not true or hard fact, a mans ability to run something successfully does not hinge on his biological urges straight or gay.

    It takes two to tango, it always has and always will.

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  264. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,824 comments) says:

    I’m sure Aucklanders are happy to see their Mayor hard at work:

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  265. ChardonnayGuy (1,197 comments) says:

    I object! Sixties Sean Connery was far hotter than Tweenies Len Brown! ;)

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