A sick farce

November 14th, 2013 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

China, Cuba, Russia and Saudi Arabia on Tuesday won three-year seats on the Geneva-based , the United Nations’ top rights body, despite concerns about abuses and restrictions on freedoms in all four nations.

Some aspects of the are very worthwhile, but the Human Rights Council is not one of them.

According to U.N. Watch, a Geneva-based advocacy group that monitors the United Nations, only four of the 16 candidates for the 14 open seats were qualified to be members of the council on the basis of their human rights records. They were Britain, France, Macedonia and Mexico.

I have always liked the idea of a new UN – one open to democratic and non-repressive countries only.

Iran and Syria had been planning to run for the Human Rights Council but pulled out amid criticism of their rights records.

A small mercy.

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38 Responses to “A sick farce”

  1. Daigotsu (454 comments) says:

    Mexico is in no way qualified

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  2. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    “I have always liked the idea of a new UN – one open to democratic and non-repressive countries only.”

    Where will that leave New Zealand after the ‘Constitutional’ change? Some of the pending outcomes of that are bloody terrifying from a Human Rights perspective…

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  3. Rick Rowling (812 comments) says:

    Don’t bring your middle-class values into our Council
    >:-)

    /please don’t take me seriously

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  4. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    What outcomes are pending of ‘Constitutional’ change here? I’m not aware of any.

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  5. thePeoplesFlag (242 comments) says:

    “…I have always liked the idea of a new UN – one open to democratic and non-repressive countries only…”

    So a United Nations, only it isn’t united and doesn’t have most of the nations? Brilliant!

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  6. dime (9,856 comments) says:

    They are a disgrace. Course, we listen to them. Fuck the UN.

    McCain the moron did float the idea of a “league of democracies”. Didnt sound too bad.

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  7. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Pete- Maybe if you spent some time watching and listening to what’s going on in this country rather than fixating on your phoney ‘rape culture’ and getting people banned from Kiwiblog you might actually pick up on what I am referring to..

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  8. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    Then you should support the “Concert of Democracies” project.

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  9. redqueen (555 comments) says:

    And we’re going to call this new UN Oceania? Or are we just going to go back to Dicey’s Imperial Federation under the British Empire? (I’d happily leave the Americans out as undemocratic).

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  10. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    I have always liked the idea of a new UN – one open to democratic and non-repressive countries only.

    Well that rules out the US then, doesn’t it.

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  11. Kleva Kiwi (289 comments) says:

    Pretty much the same as NZ Greens being on any economic council…

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  12. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    Longknives – so you can’t come up with anything?

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  13. Ross12 (1,410 comments) says:

    ” A Sick Farce ” — Yes that is the UN. Get rid of it . It doesn’t achieve anything worth while. One of the original purposes was peace keeping — by the time they have all their committee meetings etc any conflict has usually escalated into war that they can’t do anything about. Get rid of the organistation !

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  14. Bob (496 comments) says:

    How come North Korea missed out?

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  15. Scott (1,780 comments) says:

    Saudi Arabia winning a seat on the human rights Council of the United Nations?! That has to be a joke right?

    Was in a meeting last month with a pastor who has a Ministry to Moslems in New Zealand. Saudi Arabia has about 800 students per year in New Zealand who are being educated by us. Meanwhile they have been trained to proselytise New Zealanders into their extreme version of Islam. This of course they are free to do in a free society. However if Islam comes to power in New Zealand well that’s it for liberalism.

    But more germane to the human rights record of Saudi Arabia you may be surprised to know that according to this pastor about 26,000 people were executed last year in that nation. They are generally executed with one stroke of the sword which decapitates them.

    However it is illegal to be a Jew in Saudi Arabia.So they won’t be having any Jews. Nor will they be having any Christians. They will not accept the presence of a single church in that nation. Nor will they accept anyone converting from Islam to Christianity. Of that 26,000 executions many were for people convicted of converting from Islam to Christianity. They have now introduced a special 2 inch sword for those people. The execution of the Christians involves the head being hacked off with a 2 inch sword. The process to take not less than 5 minutes.

    This is the type of nation that the United Nations would have on its human rights Council.

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  16. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Yes, the same useless organisation, which has comrade Hulun as one of its “executives” earning $550K/year tax-free.

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  17. Akaroa (552 comments) says:

    I once served in a United Nations Peacekeeping Force. It was in Cyprus – just after Turkey had invaded in about ’64.

    I formed the firm conviction then that, as an entity with clout on the World political stage, the United Nations was a bit like the Salvation Army – although not quite as well organised!

    A bad joke, and a money tree for Third World pretend nations!!.

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  18. Twinkletoes (53 comments) says:

    Saudi Arabia (plus) the rest of the 57 OIC member countries do not subscribe to the same UNDHR as we do. It has its own Cairo Declaration of Human Rights where every clause is considered in the light of sharia law which trumps any rights written the in the original UNDHCR.

    Just wait until this “defamation of religions’ law which the OIC are now pushing, comes to the fore. (The Instanbul Process which has been ten years in the making, so far). Blasphemy or speaking badly of any religion will be a world wide criminal offence but we all know there is only one religion in the world which takes offence when criticised or brought to task for its position on female rights.

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  19. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Hey DPF, aren’t you a fan of one world governments? :)

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  20. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Don’t bother Longknives. Any engagement with PG just ends up being buried under a barrage of questions. It’s like Medusa. If you answer one question, 10 more spring up.

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  21. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Mexico is in no way qualified”

    Wish you were talking about Soccer!

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  22. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    “Mexico is in no way qualified”

    I believe there’s a witticism to be made here .. teehee

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  23. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Hey DPF, aren’t you a fan of one world governments?”

    We on the verge of one now, even been offocially announced from the White House but the denial is still overwhelmingly present. Curious ignorance.

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  24. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    It’s like Medusa. If you answer one question, 10 more spring up.

    More like herpes, I reckon.

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  25. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    A VITAL away goal at least, .. well … probably not …

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  26. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “McCain the moron did float the idea of a “league of democracies”. ”

    McCain meant league of hegemony

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  27. Pete George (23,476 comments) says:

    “Mexico is in no way qualified”

    Correct. All needs that happen to maintain that is for Mexico to change from good to crap and the All Whites to change from crap to great and hope for a miracle.

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  28. backster (2,152 comments) says:

    But for Jan Logie, Sri Lanka would have been a shoo in.

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  29. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    It was indeed a sick farce, and that UNHRC isn’t so good either. KABOOM!

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  30. stephieboy (2,794 comments) says:

    Reid (14,308) Says:
    November 14th, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Well that rules out the US then, doesn’t it.

    US an oppressive society.?

    In what way precisely.?

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  31. KiwiGreg (3,249 comments) says:

    “But more germane to the human rights record of Saudi Arabia you may be surprised to know that according to this pastor about 26,000 people were executed last year in that nation.”

    I call bullshit.

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  32. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Think you’re right Greg. Most sources say the figures are 70-80 executions per year – the highest execution rate per capita in the world. Doesn’t alter the fact that Saudi is one of the world’s least democratic, and most repressive and human-rights abusing countries.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/as-the-smoke-clears-after-saudi-arabias-latest-mass-execution-by-firing-squad-charles-and-camilla-fly-in-8533382.html

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  33. Scott (1,780 comments) says:

    Kiwi Greg – that’s what the pastor said. But I don’t have other confirmation for that figure sorry.I would note that the link from Sam Buchanan shows that half a dozen people were executed in a town for being a gang of thieves. This was before Charles and Camilla flew into the country. So it may be that western news sources are grossly underestimating the real number of executions in Saudi Arabia? It is a closed kingdom in lots of ways.

    But I would say that given half a dozen people were executed for thieving in a town on a single day, then the figure that western news sources give of 70 to 80 executions seems way low. So the pastors statement may be correct – but as I say I don’t have other corroborating evidence.

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  34. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Given Abha, the town the six were executed in, has a population of a bit under half a million, they’d have to be executing more than twice that many everyday, and at the same per capita rate in every other town, to reach the sort of figures the pastor is claiming. Hard to believe we wouldn’t have heard about daily multiple executions in every large Saudi town.

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  35. stephieboy (2,794 comments) says:

    Pat Condell has good handle on the issue . As he remarks having Islamic countries on the UN Human Rights Council is like having the Mafioso on a Parole board,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ana9w3uSNA

    Enjoy.

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  36. Fentex (937 comments) says:

    the idea of a new UN – one open to democratic and non-repressive countries only.

    Would repression encompass those which practice torture, extra-judicial killing and routine acts of war on others?

    While agreeing that the idea of Saudi Arabia (and some other nations) pretending to authority on human rights is a nonsense I don’t think the concept of identifying nations worthy of respect in such regards is as easy as implied.

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  37. Tom Jackson (2,553 comments) says:

    I have always liked the idea of a new UN – one open to democratic and non-repressive countries only.

    Who’d be on it?

    Finland and us?

    The Americans wouldn’t be allowed: they practice torture and mass surveillance.

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  38. Dave Mann (1,218 comments) says:

    Some aspects of the UN are very worthwhile,

    Which aspects would these be, exactly, David?

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