Labour member quits over Tamihere’s membership

November 10th, 2013 at 4:16 pm by David Farrar

writes on Facebook:

The actions of the two hosts were absolutely toxic and the nation is reacting accordingly. What is troubling for me is that Tamihere is being openly referred to as a Party member in mainstream press (1). I appreciate the statements made to Radio New Zealand (2), but at the moment they are only statements.

I also appreciate that disciplinary matters can be heard only by the NZ Council. To that end I hope the need for a special, urgent meeting of the NZ Council to hear this matter is realised prior to the December meeting, so that NZLP can be seen to be taking as swift action as is possible. We are already being left behind. If there’s anything more I need to do in order to make this complaint formal (I note Moira’s quote in the RNZ story says “if we receive a formal complaint” – this was two days after my first email) please let me know as soon as possible.

Today, new information has arisen that has personal links to one of the alleged offenders’ families (3). The claim that Tamihere didn’t know this link at the time of the interview rings very hollow, given the publicity around the boy’s identity in the news at the time the interview took place. This means the actions of Tamihere on that day may not have been simply borne of horrific ignorance as was the basis of my initial complaint – they may have come from a position of consciously wanting to deflect, silence and belittle the survivors of sexual abuse, to lessen the veracity of these allegations on people he is close to.

This new information triggers a limit within me, and my tolerance is exhausted. I will not be part of an organisation which includes this man. I hope to rejoin in the future when conditions permit, but for now I wish to cancel my victory for labour membership, member ID 1025512, and no further fees are to be deducted from my credit card. I’ve cc’d the office email address to this message – can this be actioned please? Sorry to cause you work. I’ll inform the secretaries of the bodies of which I am member and resign where I am chair or delegate.

This isn’t to protest NZLP’s actions in regards to my original request, although I do wish they were more expedient. Leaving the party is a personal choice I make with great sadness, but the moral criteria I base my involvement and association upon has been compromised by this man. My conscience leaves me no choice.

Mr Currie may not be the only one. John Tamihere is publicly identified as both a member and an aspiring candidate. Parties can be broad churches, but is Labour so broad that they include misguided apologists for rape?

Does David Cunliffe think John Tamihere is a suitable person to be a Labour Party member, let alone a candidate?

Doesn’t Labour have a Womens Vice President? Does she have views on Tamihere?

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51 Responses to “Labour member quits over Tamihere’s membership”

  1. Northland Wahine (655 comments) says:

    walk towards the light, Tamihere… walk towards the light…

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  2. cubit (356 comments) says:

    What about Madam President of the Labour Party? Does she have a position on the qualities required of Labour candidates.

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  3. Alan (1,073 comments) says:

    Can we just take a step back, no one has even been charged with, let alone convicted of rape.

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  4. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    That’s not the point. The point is that a radio announcer who plans to be a member of parliament has been called out on some comments he made.

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  5. David Garrett (6,658 comments) says:

    Wahine: Do you mean the light he is to be mesmerized by before they put a bullet in the back of his neck in true leftie style?

    Yes, interesting silence from the President of the Socialists….mind you, difficult line to tread, JT being a member of the tangata whenua and all…

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  6. Pete George (23,149 comments) says:

    There seems to be widespread dissatisfaction with Tamihere in Labour circles. Some interesting posts and discussions:

    Josie Pagani: http://pundit.co.nz/content/roast-busters-horror-reveals-ugly-politics
    mickysavage: http://thestandard.org.nz/will-jt-be-a-labour-mp/

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  7. Nostradamus (3,077 comments) says:

    I’d like to hear what David Cunliffe has to say about this very important matter affecting the Labour Party!

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  8. Northland Wahine (655 comments) says:

    David… I couldn’t have phrased it better myself!

    oh, I also noted that his cohort did not appear in his usual guest spot on Marae Investigates this morning… I wonder why…

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  9. Grendel (965 comments) says:

    sorry its a stunt. if it was a not a stunt the guy would have just quit and not made a public announcement about it.

    this is a stunt to show the labour party has nothing to do with this, rather than any actual opinions either way.

    if it was about sincerity they would have quietly resigned and not made a song and dance about it.

    its still a fucking weird world we live in, in this week it turns out that innocent until proven guilty is not the right position, statements made on facebook are legally binding as a criminal confession, hearsay via the media is undeniable truth, and beucase they did not drag these boys out of their house and shoot them based solely on an accusation the police are not doing their job.

    if the boys are guilty and were of the age to be tried as adults they deserve to get teh appropriate punishment. i just despair of them getting actual justice due to the mob, regardless of the actual finding in court, and i worry that at least one of them will top themselves over this.

    the ease at which nzers descend to mob rule and hysteria is frankly scary as hell.

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  10. Michael (898 comments) says:

    Alan – these boys are getting girls as young as 13 years old drunk and having group sex with them. Then bragging about it online. I find that indefensible.

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  11. Viking2 (11,217 comments) says:

    You have evidence of that? Then present it to the police. That’s the right thing to do rather than blather on about something you know only hearsay about.

    Goes for lots of the commenters.

    Mob hysteria of ever there was.

    Loud mouth boys as well. boasting and posting.

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  12. Pete George (23,149 comments) says:

    I’d like to hear what David Cunliffe has to say about this very important matter affecting the Labour Party!

    Yeah, nah.

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  13. Chuck Bird (4,728 comments) says:

    Alan, these boys are accused of getting girls as young as 13 years old drunk and having group sex with them.

    I think you are probably right but do you think we could save a lot of money on court by have a couple of poll on KB on their guilt and appropriate sentence?

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  14. dwcurrie (1 comment) says:

    Hello, my ex-neighbour David.

    Bit much to copy-paste the entirety of my Facebook post and THEN also link to my profile on what is, what, the second-highest NZ pols blog by traffic without a heads up. However, I do feel a little bad about the amount of wireless broadband we availed ourselves to via what we assumed was your unsecured lynksys router the years we lived a wall apart. So call it evens, I guess.

    Like the text says, the decision is a personal one and not one one in response to the actions of the party organisation. This is the take-home message to anybody reading. I won’t wear the same pin as anybody who participates in rape apologia. That’s entirely on HIM though. I don’t appropriation any blame to the party. The party has their mechanisms for dealing with this and deal with them they will. I have faith in that. To answer your question about what this or that official may think; by not commenting and instead working through the prescribed complaints process they’re respecting the members they democratically represent.

    So it’s disappointing to see this blog, who’s attitudes towards the NZLP I have an inkling of, repost my words. I’m uncomfortable if you want to turn my personal reaction, my feelings on this and how they relate to a party I love, into something to beat the party over the head with. Surely you could have written your own on this topic.

    Lets not make rape culture a party-political issue – it is so much bigger than that and we disrespect thousands of affected women, men, and families by using it as a football.

    [DPF: If a post on Facebook is set for public view, then it is public. You could have set the post for restricted viewing, so I don't think you can be surprised it gets quoted elsewhere.

    Glad you enjoyed the wireless, but I don't think I have ever had a linksys, and had had my wireless secured for many many years. My SSID for at least five years has been GCSB as I figure that discourages attempts to use it :-)]

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  15. Grendel (965 comments) says:

    the bit than many in the mob are doing their best to ignore is that these boys may have been underage as well, when or if this happened.

    it does not excuse it if they did indeed get teh girls drunk just for sex, but if they are both underage and the guy says they did have sex but she was sober (and there is no evidence other than bragging on FB), how do you prove it was nonconsensual? its a mess for the cops becuase i can guarantee that they did not want to be pressing charges on the girl as well, which if, the only consistent evidence is that sex took place they might have had to do.

    the mob keeps talking about 18 year old boys raping 13 year old girls. which may indeed be happening, but it could also have been a 15 year old boy and a 13 year old girl.

    i wish the mob and people wasting time trying to force the prime minister to change laws to punish these boys based solely on hearsay via the media would calm down and wait for the actual investigation and facts (as much as we will ever get) to come out.

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  16. wat dabney (3,714 comments) says:

    Rape is not an issue that should ever be taken lightly

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  17. Pete George (23,149 comments) says:

    Greg Presland is associated with Cunliffe (but [For the avoidance of doubt these views are entirely my own and not sanctioned by the higher echelons of the party or anyone else for that matter.])

    If Pagani now believes that Tamihere should not become a Labour MP then I agree with her. I blogged last November that I did not think that he should be accepted as a member and the reasons are just as valid in determining if he should be selected as a Labour candidate for a Parliamentary seat. The reasons included:

    – Describing women in a demeaning way.
    – Describing homosexuals in a demeaning way.
    – Standing against Bob Harvey for the Waitakere City mayoralty in 2007.
    – Denigrating the party on his radio show and on TV.
    – Comparing the party to the Head Hunters gang.

    To this list can be added:

    – Failing to understand that what was happening with the roast busters was so bad at so many levels and choosing to publicly express opinions on the subject that should have died out with the cavemen.

    Cunliffe only comes into the Tamihere discussion once at Greg’s post at The Standard – Ad:

    And with Giovanni and Mickey organising against him and for Carmel for the new West Auckland seat, he has no show under Labour.

    Plus Cunliffe loathes him.

    It may not be Cunliffe’s call on whether Tamihere stands but his apparent silence on this issue is, well, it seems to be par for the Cunliffe course at the moment.

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  18. Yvette (2,735 comments) says:

    Tamihere seems to want to rejoin Labour, the party of front-bums of whom he has at times been quite disparaging, but more recently Jackson has several times said that Tamihere is in fact in kahoots with their old friend Winston Peters.

    So one wonders then, given the apparent current “rape culture” [Michelle A'Court – http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/9383919/A-tough-week-to-be-a-woman ] and New Zealand First’s elderly support base, what does Winston have to say now about Tamihere, or will JT be OK if he just acts for a while with a new transparency like Len, the Mayor you have when you don’t want one?

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  19. JC (929 comments) says:

    As far as I’m concerned JT is no more than a member of the Labour Party and has done no more than express a POV that other members might find offensive.

    If he was an official candidate for selection to higher office or putting himself forward for Parliament.. that is when I would be putting the arse on him but right now I’d be taking my time about booting him or doing any more than what Judith Collins has done, ie, outlining a stance pending further developments.

    JC

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  20. Harriet (4,607 comments) says:

    They’ll shoot him.

    It will be a fucken big bloody public display – and all for the cameras!

    It makes better press to shoot a ‘rape apologist’ when trying to defend a female quota!

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  21. David Garrett (6,658 comments) says:

    A show trial a la 1930′s Russia! Just what Labour needs to show it is the natural home for Waitakere Man…

    Presland and his mates will be busy little boys out in Westie land today…How do we be ‘inclusive’? Who is entitled to decide who is “included’ in the “conversation”? What does the Treaty have to teach us about how we move forward in a constructive and inclusive way?

    Matt McCarten has been less that enthusiastic about his bro in all this….That “dynamic” will be interesting in the coming days…

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  22. big bruv (13,452 comments) says:

    Fucking typical of the Labour low life. They use this as a reason to put the boot into Tamahere who most of the wimin and poofs don’t want in there anyway.

    Make no mistake, I am not defending Tamahere at all, I think that mediaworks should sack both him and that moron Jackson.

    So why have the poofs and the wimin inside Labour gone after JT? well, JT committed the unpardonable sin of telling the truth about the wimin and poofs inside the Labour party.

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  23. John ARB (1 comment) says:

    A bit of humour.

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  24. David Garrett (6,658 comments) says:

    BB: I agree…

    But isnt Lascivious Len a lucky little leftie?? He has completely vanished from the media! All gone…all finished…” time to move on” as Clark use to get away with saying far too often…

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  25. big bruv (13,452 comments) says:

    DG

    I live in hope that Slater is telling the truth when he says there is much more to come about Brown. Our Mayor is a low life who should resign.

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  26. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    ..yes DG…” Beltway issue..move on , commoners not interested “..

    fuckin hagg

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  27. Zapper (947 comments) says:

    I wonder why Currie didn’t resign when Phil Goff, the leader at the time, spent weeks defending a potential sexual offender in the party.

    Lefties saying innocent until proven guilty is hilarious. Apparently it only applies in some circumstances.

    In this case, the pitchforks should be put away until charges are laid. That doesn’t mean the comments on this pathetic radio show are acceptable.

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  28. Alan (1,073 comments) says:

    @ Michael

    “Alan – these boys are getting girls as young as 13 years old drunk and having group sex with them. Then bragging about it online. I find that indefensible.”

    I’m a parent, and not a big fan of it myself.

    However, I’d like to wait to see what happens in a court of law, with all the evidence presented before we hang them.

    What 17 year old boys save they’ve done and what they’ve really done is often a pretty different thing.

    A bit of due process wouldn’t go amiss, that’s all i’m saying

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  29. duggledog (1,412 comments) says:

    Exactly DG. Nothing to see, move on, even though I signed a picture I never painted, was in a speeding car on the way to the rugby and didn’t notice etc etc.

    I too am hanging on to the hope that Slater has a couple of other hoes in his pocket who were lucky enough to be showered with Len Brown’s attentions. I can’t believe the little bugger has got away with it. I thought he would.

    It’ll be interesting to see who blinks first, Radio Live’s advertisers (who they need very very badly) or Radio Live management

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  30. All_on_Red (1,464 comments) says:

    I love it when the Left eat each other. Mind you, they love nothing better than a good purge.

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  31. calendar girl (1,195 comments) says:

    BB: “Our Mayor is a low life who should resign.”

    Agreed on both counts. But he’s determined to stay, whatever happens.

    Brown claims his 2-year affair is a “private matter”, nothing to do with the Council or the ratepayers. Yet after his despicable self-indulgent behaviour, and serious breaches of family and public trust, the Council and ratepayers are inextricably involved. For no reason other than Brown’s “private matter”, Council and ratepayers are paying for an enquiry by not the cheapest consultants in the world, Ernst & Young.

    I want to know the total cost to Council of this “private matter” so that Brown can be required to pay the full amount from his own untrustworthy pocket.

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  32. gazzmaniac (2,319 comments) says:

    I don’t even care about Len Brown.

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  33. Nookin (3,142 comments) says:

    Alan
    Your comments very valid if the thread were to have been about the punishment to be meted out to the roastbusters on the assumption that they have committed a crime. Clearly, many have made that assumption (and not just on this blog). Guilt or otherwise is not the issue here. They have boasted about stupefying and having sex with a 13 year old. They may be making it up. They may be exaggerating. Who knows? Time will tell.

    It is the boasting, however, that is the problem. It is indicative of an attitude. They can be freely condemned for that (if not convicted and punished).

    The thread, however is about one man’s protest about Willie and JT (mainly JT) whose comments were predicated on the basis that the boasts were true. They suggest culpability on behalf of the girl. They suggest that this sort of thing does happen and the attitude is prevalent in some communities and they make little effort to condemn it. JT seeks to represent the Labour party and be in government. Mr Currie is quite entitled to have his say, in his way, to his audience.

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  34. Nostalgia-NZ (4,986 comments) says:

    There’s part of this that’s hard to follow. As others have pointed out, accepting that the allegations are offensive there is no conclusion yet to the re-investigation of the complaint to the police. I didn’t hear the radio ‘interview’ with the talkback caller who it seems was anonymous. So is it that Tamihere defended those that may or may not be charged, but who however have been named, or simply that he asked questions that in the current ‘climate’ are seen to be offensive. He doesn’t know the alleged victims, he can only broadly know the allegations and not the details because they’re yet to be determined. What JT has ‘nicely’ put his foot into is a situation where he is seen as defending persons not yet charged with a crime for offences not yet established. Even though by some reports he was asking questions as to the general type of the environment in which the allegations are said to have happened, seeking some details of the culture abroad there.

    On the face of it some of the questions he asked were on the nose, but in the situation that the complainants are unknown to the public, that there are no charges etc to this point it seems the situation has jumped in some minds to Tamihere defending rapists. If the reaction against the alleged perpetrators has reached a fever point in some quarters it seems that there is a ‘test’ placed on public commentators and if their conduct or attitude is not of a certain tone then they’re for the high jump as well. Len Brown must have cheques in the mail to JT, he admitted something and went to ground, JT put his foot in a familiar, for him, place – his mouth, and he hasn’t quite yet been hung but the gallows are being built for asking stupid, bloody insensitive questions in a thin atmosphere.

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  35. OneTrack (2,742 comments) says:

    Dave Currie (and the Labour Party) dont seem too serious about the whole concept of freedom of speech. What happened to disapproving of what you say but defending to the death your right to say it? Only in the case of “approved” speech obviously.

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  36. Yvette (2,735 comments) says:

    On a gender quota system how many would John ‘Front-bums’ Tamihere be worth? :-)

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  37. OneTrack (2,742 comments) says:

    Nostalgia – “What JT has ‘nicely’ put his foot into is a situation where he is seen as defending persons not yet charged with a crime for offences not yet established.”

    And there used to be this quaint concept of innocent until proven guilty. Now all we get is “burn the witch, burn the witch”.

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  38. RandySavage (199 comments) says:

    the FAUX OUTRAGE continues
    a lynch mob of sheeple

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  39. RandySavage (199 comments) says:

    I love how Cathy Odgers has got her panties in a twist over this
    The worst thing I ever heard on radio was her on Radio Lives political panel
    She could barely string a sentence together and kept laughing like a rabid hyena

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  40. TheContrarian (1,075 comments) says:

    “Dave Currie (and the Labour Party) dont seem too serious about the whole concept of freedom of speech.”

    This isn’t a freedom of speech issue. JT can spout whatever he wants, but that doesn’t mean an organisation of which he is a member has to accept that speech in their house nor does his employer (RadioLive in this instance) have to allow him the platform to do so.

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  41. cha (3,826 comments) says:

    A show trial a la 1930′s Russia!

    Yeah, Presland is Beria and article 38 really is a part of the Labour party constitution.
    /

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  42. Dexter (279 comments) says:

    This hysterical over-reaction would be farcical if it didn’t also include John Key and other politicians ignoring the rule of law and instead stirring up the vigilante lynch mob that counters any opinion contrary to it’s group with mindless spite aimed at inflicting maximum harm. It’s McCarthyism redux.

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  43. calendar girl (1,195 comments) says:

    Well said, OneTrack @ 7.23 and 7.26pm.

    In this advanced PC age, freedom of speech is increasingly endangered as never before in our kind of western, democratic environment. Orchestrated outbursts are becoming the norm to intimidate anyone who dares to speak his / her mind on an unpopular issue or in an unapproved fashion.

    We are being roundly manipulated by the MSM, for their own base objectives. Either we protect freedom of speech resolutely as a matter of principle – not selectively – or we lose that freedom inexorably. Sadly, there are times when I fear that NZ society has already passed the tipping point.

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  44. RandySavage (199 comments) says:

    well spoken

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  45. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Putting aside the events surrounding these young dicks and damage they may have done to these young girls, all day I kept reading about and hearing ” New Zealands Rape Culture”, now what the fuck is that about.? Unfortunately women get raped, its horrible to see the effects but ” a rape culture” sounds like some sectors of our community will now use this incident to grind an axe at the expense of others not that thats anything new but I was hoping they might stop it at some stage.

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  46. Azeraph (603 comments) says:

    Why quit? It just makes this guy anal over Jt’s stupid comments. What? Was he born with a fork up his are? Strange people.

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  47. Chuck Bird (4,728 comments) says:

    I hear Grey Power is recommending the elderly take extra precautions after the recent attacks. I do not think they they are trying to blame the victims.

    It would make sense if the man hating feminists gave some sensible advise to young woman who foolishly puts themselves at risk.

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  48. Ashley Schaeffer (430 comments) says:

    A Labour Party member using someone else’s broadband without their knowledge or consent.
    Fucking self-entitled leech.

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  49. ChardonnayGuy (1,169 comments) says:

    I almost wish I was still a Labour Party member myself so I could walk out over that misfit’s continued membership. The man’s a fruitloop misogynist and homophobe who doesn’t belong in a modern pluralist centre-left political party…or, for that matter, a pluralist centre-right one. He’s a liability and until he learns some social skills such as respect for diversity and equality, he has no place in Labour. Or, I’m sure, National for that matter.

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  50. Nostalgia-NZ (4,986 comments) says:

    ‘Fucking self-entitled leech.’

    Mild disapproval?

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  51. AG (1,795 comments) says:

    Mr Currie may not be the only one. John Tamihere is publicly identified as both a member and an aspiring candidate. Parties can be broad churches, but is Labour so broad that they include misguided apologists for rape?

    Does David Cunliffe think John Tamihere is a suitable person to be a Labour Party member, let alone a candidate?

    And here are your answers:

    Labour general secretary Tim Barnett took the unusual step yesterday of issuing a press statement to say that Mr Tamihere was no longer a member of the party because he had not renewed his 2013 membership.

    “I wouldn’t be in a hurry to sign him up and I’d say he’s got a snowflake’s chance of becoming a Labour candidate.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11155706

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