General Debate 3 December 2013

December 3rd, 2013 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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238 Responses to “General Debate 3 December 2013”

  1. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    Thank you.

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  2. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Has Penny Bright paid her rates yet?

    Has Len Brown resigned yet?

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  3. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    Has David Cunliffe breached the Electoral Act? If so, is his excuse that “he was not aware of the rules at the time it was sent” especially lame given that he has been in Parliament for 14 years now, during which time there has been plenty of attention on election advertising? And did a lowly blogger’s response to his tweet on Saturday cause him to beat a hurried retreat?

    So many questions…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/12/did-david-cunliffe-break-law.html

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  4. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    David Hay responds

    What this is about, actually, is an attempt by a group within the Green Party to stack the next Green caucus with “Left of Labour” MPs. This faction thinks that environmental and ecological issues are secondary to social justice issues; they see the party’s role as “the conscience of government” and our future as a minor coalition partner in a Labour-led government.

    I am, very openly, part of the Green Party membership that thinks differently. It is my view that environmental and ecological problems are central to the Green Party’s political position; that we should become a party of government, one day leading the government; and that we can only achieve that by appealing to a broader centre-left constituency. Which means being complementary to Labour, in the short term, but ultimately replacing it as the party of the centre-left.

    So the bullies’ agenda is political, not personal. Their agenda was to keep me out of the candidate pool to forestall the possibility that party members could vote me up the list and into parliament at the next election.

    My performance as a candidate or as a potential MP was never at issue. My vision for what the party could do, and what it could become (which is widely shared within the Party) was a threat that had to be squashed. This was done by gazumping the party’s internal democratic process.
    Wither the Greens
    This is why I launched a leadership challenge: because the Greens now have a serious leadership problem.

    The genius of Rod Donald and Jeannette Fitzsimons was their ability to weld together a coalition of greenie and left-over lefties (from the collapse of the Alliance Party), with various others into a reasonably coherent whole.

    They were able to keep that coalition together, working through and resolving their differences along the way, for nearly 20 years. Most of all, they were able to bridge the differences between the “Left of Labour” group and the “Neither left nor Right but Ahead” group and keep them working together.

    But now, under Metiria and Russel’s leadership, the “Left of Labour” group has become greedy for power. It controls the key committees, including the candidate selection committee and the party executive. It maintains a pretence of consensus decision-making, but not the substance.

    Russel and Metiria’s leadership, by their actions and omissions, is withering the Green Party.

    This whole debacle is mostly about politics: the direction and future of the party, and the lack of viable candidates and MPs-in-waiting in Auckland.

    http://sophocrat.blogspot.co.nz/2013_12_01_archive.html

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  5. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Former Eastern bloc country with more democratic rights than Aotearoa formerly New Zealand.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20131201-croatia-referendum-same-sex-marriage-ban-constitution

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  6. Jackson Fowler (1 comment) says:

    Has John Minto realised people like Penny Bright more than him and resigned???

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  7. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    The Green left Hang David hay
    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/12/01/fair-democracy-let-david-hay-speak-and-put-his-hand-up-fair-democracy-common-sense-and-strong-leadership-spoke-back/

    Marama Davidson calls for Susan Devoy to step down
    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/04/12/race-relations-commissioner-out-of-her-depth/

    rrrrrracist, rrrrrracist, rrrrrracist

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  8. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Even KB’s hollier-than-thou resident feminist, will agree:
    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/20/a-viral-video-encourages-girls-to-become-engineers/?_r=0

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  9. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    The Daily Blog Poll

    Who do you intend to vote for in 2014?

    Labour (36%, 741 Votes)
    Greens (34%, 690 Votes)
    National (15%, 318 Votes)
    MANA (9%, 187 Votes)
    NZ First (3%, 69 Votes)
    ACT (1%, 29 Votes)
    Maori Party (2%, 23 Votes)

    Total Voters: 2,057
    Frogblog has been scrubbed of descent, see who they really are here.

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  10. Sofia (779 comments) says:

    The right that Slater seeks is not particularly generous, or final. If a case goes to the High Court, news media may be forced to betray a confidential source to the judge, who will decide whether confidentiality overrides other considerations in the case.

    Yes, in any particular trial you may strike a judge like the one who precipitated this current issue.
    I wonder it the judge read Cameron Slater’s ABOUT – http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/about/#axzz2mLXbQcXQ – regarding his blog, or did the judge just act from his own preconceived opinions ?

    The blog gets around 3,000,000 pageviews per month. I normally blog up to 20 items a day, making and breaking news with regularity.

    News and stories that are posted here regularly feature in most mainstream media and I now enjoy regular commentary spots with a number of media outlets.
    Here is a summary of news commentary and features about me …

    A news based blog that gets 3 million page views a month is not part of the media?

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  11. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    David Hay Responds story as reported from another source:

    Challenger accuses Green Party of ‘bullying’

    By: Felix Marwick, | Latest Political News | Monday December 2 2013 15:21

    PARLIAMENT – David Hay is accusing the Green Party of bullying after being booted off its candidate list.

    Mr Hay last week announced he will challenge Russel Norman for the co-leadership, but the Greens say they have concerns about his effectiveness as a candidate in the past.

    He has written a blog post, saying he has done nothing wrong and is a victim of “classic organisational bullying” by the party.

    …………….
    Journalist Profile – Felix Marwick

    Felix is Chief Political Reporter for Newstalk ZB and is based in the Parliamentary press gallery in Wellington.

    He has a Bachelor of Arts (Psychology) from the University of Canterbury, and is a graduate of the NZ Broadcasting School in Christchurch.

    Radio NZ version

    ssss……………………………………….!

    so perhaps it isn’t seen as a big deal. Otherwise it is bias.

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  12. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    hj

    I wonder if this is all a precursor to Hay starting his own Green party. The perception that they are anything other than Marxists in drag must be wearing thin with the public generally by now. The mad Delahuntey talking publicly about the one person one vote concept as being an outdated notion of democracy is a pretty good indicator that the party hierarchy isn’t concerned about this.

    My recollection is that they have shunted a long way left of where they started and that process hadn’t commenced to the extreme it has now at the time when they were still polling around 5+%. It would be interesting and fun to watch Hay try and collect the original hippies and cart them away to a purely environmentally focussed party.

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  13. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    as Chris Trotter said:

    “Had an Act MP publicly suggested that his party was moving beyond the “limited concept” that “one man, one vote is the only manifestation of democracy possible in Aotearoa” it would have been headline news. Act – unlike the Greens – is taken seriously by journalists, and so are the statements of its representatives.”
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2010/05/taking-greens-seriously.html

    another expression of bias.

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  14. itstricky (1,139 comments) says:

    Has John Banks breached the Electoral Act? If so, is his excuse that “he was not aware of the donation” especially lame?

    So many questions.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to politically biased up ticks. Here come the downs to prove a point.

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  15. Keeping Stock (9,788 comments) says:

    hj – I choose not to visit Bradbury’s blog. Please do not inflict his myopic socialist worldview on me, or the other readers of DPF’s fine publication :D

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  16. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    “The perception that they are anything other than Marxists in drag must be wearing thin with the public generally by now”

    The LSM seems to be protecting them pretty well so far. There must be a lot of people who still think they are for the “planet”. The only problem is that excludes people. Has Meteria ever written anything vaguely environmental. Nah, all maori separatist/communist takeover rhetoric.

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  17. Colville (1,770 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9468953/Fund-waka-building-school-Labour

    Yip great use of taxpayer monies…building dug out canoes…. maybe the Marois will fuck off back “home” ?

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  18. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    thedavincimode (5,714 comments) says:
    It would be interesting and fun to watch Hay try and collect the original hippies and cart them away to a purely environmentally focused party.
    ……..
    the problem is that living (ecologically speaking) is about hard choices/stiff medicine. The Greens/left like us to think it is all about a 1% who have 90% of the wealth (wheat) type situation…. no body feels any pain. Even things like reduced DPB for 3rd pregnancy is politically a no-goer.

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  19. itstricky (1,139 comments) says:

    A news based blog that gets 3 million page views a month is not part

    The Herald don’t publish or repeat articles were they say they’re “out to get that f* l* c*” or lie outright.

    Popularity isn’t everything. If it was you’d be a Justin Beiber fan.

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  20. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    In canada the green party supports a bigger population. They argue that immigration isn’t population increase but social justice. If that is so a national entity cannot achieve a particular ethos since people can just flood in and have large families (or whatever their values are).

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  21. Colville (1,770 comments) says:

    Hay sounds more like a Gween/Blue rather than a watermelon and that will be the basis of his conflict with the marxist leaders.

    Maybe he should hold hands with Maggie barry and start Green Dorkland Party?, they can send me a sizeable chq for coming up with the name for them :-)

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  22. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Chris Trotsky seems to think the media fail to report the radicalism of the Greens because they are treating them as a joke,when in fact the media are not failing to report but actually protecting the Greens as they share their ideological radicalism.

    Compare how every utterance of Craig gets prominence while the Greens get a free pass.

    The media have a deep left bias.

    Talking of double standards….we are constantly told of the “negative” effects of British colonialism but the media and politicians refuse to address the genocidal history of the Maori colonisation of these islands.

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  23. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    Colville – “Yip great use of taxpayer monies…building dug out canoes”

    Jones is right, the government should support this – as long as they will be using authentic traditional methods for the whole thing. The government can give them some traditional tools which are just sitting around in museums somewhere, waiting to be used again. Recreate history and start a new productive waka building industry (green job?) and then sell them to all the eager buyers.

    What? What was that? You want a skillsaw?

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  24. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    hj

    The only reason the Canadian Greens would support immigration is to destroy old white British constitutional Canada.

    Much like that bastard Blair and his Scottish left cabinet opened the doors in Britain to create a ‘multicultural” society.

    These people are traitors to their nations and are agents in a cultural war being waged on western civilisation.It is that serious.

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  25. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    “Hay sounds more like a Gween/Blue rather than a watermelon ”

    Nah, he’s probably still a watermelon. His outer green skin might be just a bit thicker than the communists Russel and Meteria, which is more like paint that is starting to peel off.

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  26. Colville (1,770 comments) says:

    OneTrack, it wouldnt ever get to the point that they would need a skilly.
    Its the 50 tonne crane and the fucking big truck they need to move 10 tonnes of kauri log 100 kms so they can start work on it.
    Log rollers and flax ropes? I dont think do!

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  27. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    itstricky – “The Herald don’t publish or repeat articles were they say they’re “out to get that f* l* c*” or lie outright.”

    They try and hide their bias better, don’t they, whereas WhaleOil leaves you in no doubt where he is coming from. Strangely I prefer that model than the journolists who claim they are fair and unbiased. That is the lie. Some of them could do with some acting lessons because they don’t cover it up very well at all.

    Campbells treatment of Len Brown for a recent example, compared to the consistent LSM lampooning of enemies of the people, such as Colin Craig and John Banks. But you are happy with that approach because the LSM are on your team, attacking the people you don’t like, and doing their best to get the hard-left in to power.

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  28. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Former Eastern bloc country with more democratic rights than Aotearoa formerly New Zealand.

    There is no such thing as a “democratic right.”

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  29. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    What would dinosaur Anderton and his mob do now?
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8764776/appeal-to-stop-church-demolition-refused

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  30. dime (8,750 comments) says:

    Some anti-drinking Ahole was on zb this morning. Spouting his opinion about the “drinking culture” (closely associated with new zealands favourite past time, the rape culture).

    this guys angle is – young girls are now as bad as young men.

    i guess thats smart, no one gives a flying fuck about young blokes. but if something bad is happening with women it requires laws, subsidies, new taxes..

    apparently the best thing to do is to keep jacking the cost of alcohol over the next 20 years. turn drinking into smoking. have it become socially unacceptable.

    Dime says – GET FUCKED!

    how bout this.

    Car crashes cost the economy millions, traffic issue cost the economy millions, we lose hundreds of people every year in car crashes. how bout we jack the price of gasoline to $25 a litre. it will discourage driving. imagine the savings!

    Then lets get started on fizzy drinks.. then chocolate.. then 2 min noodles..

    eventually everyone can live on a thick nutrient paste. happy.

    pot is ok though.

    assholes.

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  31. martinh (824 comments) says:

    So the mayor wont even come on national radio to talk about his own mayoral task force on alcohol in downtown auckland.
    Itd be a joke if he wasnt getting paid what i as a ratepayer pay him

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  32. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Manolo

    That old socialist crook Anderton was on TV this morning telling us all that because liar Dalziel is now the mayor and because he thinks there will be a change of government it might be the tax payer who funds the rebuild of a bloody church.

    It is time for the people of Christchurch to start thanking the rest of us for what we are paying for. Most of us don’t mind rebuilding their city, we don’t mind rebuilding their roads but we draw the line and rebuilding a fucking church.

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  33. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    The Steinlager rugby awards on TV?…………….really???

    Will anybody watch that rubbish?

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  34. dime (8,750 comments) says:

    “Will anybody watch that rubbish?”

    umm Tony Johnson & Saville?

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  35. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Dying of a slow death: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/02/business/media/long-on-cutting-edge-of-print-new-york-magazine-cuts-back.html

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  36. srylands (301 comments) says:

    From the Greens yesterday:

    Press Release
    Contact: Julie Anne Genter MP

    “New data shows that families’ spending on transport is skyrocketing, driven by the cost of petrol and cars, and National’s transport priorities is making it worse, Green Party transport spokesperson Julie Anne Genter said today.”

    What a cheek. Green party policy will make transport more expensive.

    “The Government needs to provide the leadership and investment to make public transport, walking, and cycling a practical option for more families.”

    Yeah right. PT and cycling are great in their place, but for mainstream transport for a family in most of New Zealand, forget it. You are not going to take the kids to their weekend sports and do the shopping by bus or by cycling. Only someone without kids would make these stupid statements. I have transported kids by PT and it is hell.

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  37. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    “The Government needs to provide the leadership and investment to make public transport, walking, and cycling a practical option for more families.”

    Somebody should explain to her that those things below her arse are legs and she can use them on the footpaths if she doesn’t want to cycle on the roads where the buses are.

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  38. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    I have transported kids by PT and it is hell

    Must be some sort of hereditary condition there srylands. When Mum transported me by bus and I was an angel.

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  39. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘The only reason the Canadian Greens would support immigration is to destroy old white British constitutional Canada.

    Much like that bastard Blair and his Scottish left cabinet opened the doors in Britain to create a ‘multicultural” society.

    These people are traitors to their nations and are agents in a cultural war being waged on western civilisation.It is that serious.’

    This all falls into a gray area. No one denies it. Yet no one supports this because it all falls under the conspiracy umbrella.
    So the Greens could win by default.

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  40. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    hj @ 8.12

    Thanks for that. If nothing else comes from the Hay issue , it is good to see this view out in the open. I hope it gets good coverage ( no I’m not holding my breath.)
    I have never been able to understand how the genuine environmentalists have gone along with Normans far left ideas.
    ( When Norman talks about environmental issues anyone can tell there is very little belief or sincerity in what he is saying)

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  41. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    To Julie Anne Genter MP: I don’t any any more state intervention in my life. Please fuck off!

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  42. srylands (301 comments) says:

    “Must be some sort of hereditary condition there srylands. When Mum transported me by bus and I was an angel.”

    I was transporting three angels. Plus their gear, and the shopping. In a hot climate.

    I’ll give you three angels under 10, and a shopping list and set you to travel across Auckland and back home again on a Sunday by PT. I predict you would acquire my condition :-)

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  43. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    I’ll give you three angels under 10, and a shopping list and set you to travel across Auckland and back home again on a Sunday by PT

    Love to give it a go, but I think I’m washing my hair now on every Sunday for the foreseeable future.

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  44. Komata (970 comments) says:

    Re Ms Genter’s pronouncement concerning the use of public transport.

    No doubt she is very sincere in her views, and I will quite happily use the sort of bus that can pick me up from outside my door at any hour of the day, take me to out-of the way places on a Sunday and convey me to the nearest hospital (20 km away) at 02058 on a freezingly-cold winter’s morning, wait for me at no cost, then transport me back home at 1500 the following afternoon.

    Oh? such a device has already been invented, and it’s called a FAMILY CAR!!!!!!

    The day that such a ‘Bus’ is invented let know . . .

    But, of course, if the gweens ever DO become government, private motor vehicles will be banned (except for the elite- of course, including Ms Genter no doubt), and bullock wagons and feet will be the only options available.

    One wonders what a five-bullock passenger omnibus would look like (and how the gweens would even FIND five bullocks- bullocks give-off Methane you know…)

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  45. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    srylands

    It will be interesting to see who actually bothers to report this outstanding press release on the major issue facing this country.

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  46. srylands (301 comments) says:

    I don’t want a car exclusive transport system. PT is important. So is cycling. I chose to live on the Kapiti Coast because it had a good PT option to Wellington. But cars (and roads) are critical to living standards. That will not change any time soon.

    The bottom line – the Greens are sinister and deceitful (like all communists). They don’t like cars full stop. So they want to make driving cars inconvenient and expensive. This is for two reasons (a) They don’t like the environmental impact (fossil fuels) and (b) they don’t like personal freedom.

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  47. Rowan (1,728 comments) says:

    Again the courts rule that the anglican church have the right to demolish the cathedral, and again Jim Anderton and his retards cannot accept what is the third ruling against them and continue to fight. Yes it is tragic that the Cathedral is well in truly f….ked but time to accept reality Jim. Next time hopefully the court will award costs against you because you have lost this one. Time to accept and move on.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/9467720/Hopes-remain-on-Cathedral

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  48. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    Radio Live has a ‘personality of the year’ category going atm. One example from a host concerning the Paula Pennett/Colin Craig race.

    So Paula rips around a corner and pulls up in a Holden HQ and says “Right Colin, where’s the beers. This is my party and I’m taking over!”

    I would like to add my projection to a future speech Paula will give some day quoting directly from Mein Kampf.

    “My struggle has always been to adhere to the Darwinian reality of the survival of the fittest. National Socialism embraces the strongest of the strong. Strict segregation of the economic classes and the perpetuation of economic fitness in isolating the non economic sub species has been the ultimate goal. This is nothing less than the righteous goal of the pure National Socialist and the heart of my heart. In this holy pursual, I have in my time of Social Development implemented the criteria to segregate my former peer class from achieving through the same channels I myself aspired to. This has been a gem in the crown of my portfolio and a key platform of endorsement and confidence from mein Fuhrer.

    I have tired in but never tired of my struggle for the social development of the uber class within Corporatism which is the holy grail of the National Socialist state. The return to feudalism and the estabished status quo of the superior classes is, as we know, the natural and true destiny of enlightenment. This natural condition had to be achieved ultimately not simply because the end justify the means but because those of truly substantial means must control as the cream of economic reality. The dream and struggle has been qualified not because we must remain modest about ourselves but because we may shout from the roof tops that we are the fittest and all others must submit before us and give us their servitude. “

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  49. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Chin-free Silent T will be found innocent, no doubt: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8764988/labour-leader-investigated-for-tweet

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  50. srylands (301 comments) says:

    http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/quickstats-about-national-highlights/income.aspx

    “The median income was $28,500.”

    How depressing.

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  51. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    Man blows $170,000 in false funds on Holdens

    It’s mine and I’m Holden on to it.

    So thought Denys Jeremy Douglas after the BNZ accidentally credited him with $170,000. In less than a month, he had withdrawn it all and spent it on Holdens
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9467728/Man-blows-170-000-in-false-funds-on-Holdens

    Absolute foolishness but the taste of this man is impeccable. confused whether to shake my head or take my hat off!

    Bow my head with my hat off!!

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  52. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ANZ class action could hit big banks

    The $57 million class action against ANZ Bank that began on Monday could turn into a multi-billion-dollar claim against the nation’s banks, the hearing heard.

    The three week Federal Court hearing involving 43,500 ANZ customers must decide whether the bank’s fees of $25-$45 for over limit, late payment and other issues were illegal and unconscionable penalties disproportionate to its actual costs.

    The ANZ case is the first of eight planned class actions involving 185,300 members of eight lenders claiming $243 million.

    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/anz-class-action-could-hit-big-banks-20131202-2yka0.html

    Absolutely spiffing and there’s nothing the govt can do to help. Not even bail them out. These crims are up to their necks!

    If only the spotlight could turn on MP troughers.

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  53. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘To Julie Anne Genter MP: I don’t any any more state intervention in my life.’

    Too bad. National is bringing back the nanny state

    To be continued after 2014 with Labour.

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  54. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    House call plan to nab benefit fraudsters

    Snoopers could soon be calling on solo parents to check whether they are still living alone, as part of the Government’s clampdown on benefit fraudsters.

    The measure, if introduced, would mean every solo parent would receive a “home visit” 14 weeks after going on to a benefit to make sure they were not committing fraud.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9467737/House-call-plan-to-nab-benefit-fraudsters

    The article goes on to describe thought policing and that is a valid accusation. But I must say this will make Maori female solo’s think twice before letting maori male bums in their homes to take over and abuse/kill children like feral wild cats and the big pussies these bums are.

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  55. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I am often alarmed at how uncritical many are of the police and other state authorities. They naively believe the police are there to do the right thing by the public. The reality is that the police are there to serve those in power and are not at all fussy about who they serve. The police have been at the fore of every single oppressive murderous regime in history. They are not guided by a higher purpose and whether they do good or not is merely an accident of who is in power at the time.

    The true history of policing is one of violence, oppression, and corruption.

    Membership of the Gestapo[edit]In 1933, there was no purge of the German police forces.[26] The vast majority of Gestapo officers came from the police forces of the Weimar Republic, members of the SS, the SA, and the NSDAP also joined the Gestapo.[27] In 1939, only 3,000 out of the total of 20,000 Gestapo men held SS ranks, and in most cases, these were honorary.[28] One man who served in the Prussian Gestapo in 1933 recalled that most of his co-workers “were by no means Nazis. For the most part they were young professional civil service officers

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  56. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    Australian politicians are refuting the latest Snowden leaks

    Documents released earlier today which appear to show a spy agency offering to share information about Australian citizens are unverified, Attorney-General George Brandis has told The Senate.

    The Guardian published the document supplied by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. It appears to show details of a meeting between United States, British, Canadian and New Zealand intelligence agencies.

    Reportedly, what was then the Defence Signals Directorate offered to share “bulk” metadata, which amounts to the digital signatures of thousands of people

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/9467462/Australian-politicians-are-refuting-the-latest-Snowden-leaks

    conspiracy is not a theory. We really have no idea what’s going on behind our backs.

    Thanks Wikileaks and Edward Snowden

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  57. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Don’ you dare or will send the hounds: http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/eric-scheiner/cancer-patient-and-obamacare-critic-says-hes-being-audited-irs

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  58. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    Childcare teacher ate kids’ lunches

    A Waikato kindy teacher was caught stealing food from children’s lunchboxes before either eating it, hiding it or putting it in her pocket.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/9468894/Childcare-teacher-ate-kids-lunches

    Even having a proffessional job doesn’t disqualify from hardship.

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  59. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    I’m a Christian now. The things that drove me crazy growing up was how everyone works at fault-finding with different religions. The people I don’t understand are atheists. I go surfing and snow boarding and I’m always around nature. I look at everything and think,’Who couldn’t believe there’s a God? Is all this a mistake?’ It just blows me away. ~ Paul Walker (IMDb Profile)

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0908094/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_qt_sm#quotes

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  60. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘New Zealand wins invite to G20 meeting ‘

    Australia will exercise its right as host of next year’s G20 meeting to invite New Zealand and Singapore to attend the forum of world leaders, which will bring 4000 delegates and 3000 media representatives to Brisbane.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Queensland Premier Campbell Newman marked Australia’s official takeover of the G20 presidency in Brisbane on Sunday.

    Abbott said Australia’s focus “will be on strong, private sector-led economic growth”.

    “We will be dealing with trade, with banking and with the governance of international bodies,” he said

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/9465179/New-Zealand-wins-invite-to-G20-meeting

    NZ was invited because we have an international Wall St banker directly from the Federal Reserve and Foreign Exchange as Prime Minister.

    Could someone put 1+1 together please.

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  61. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    kea the troll is on an anti police kick at the moment and claims to know about the history of same.

    Bollocks.

    The police in our experience are a relatively recent invention.We can thank the great Tory, Robert Peel ,for them.They are civilians as in principle he didn’t want the army enforcing the public peace.

    http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/gunstuff/writings/Peels_Principles_Of_Law_Enforcement.pdf

    See his principles.No military etc,the police are the public ,the public is the police.

    These principles are the basis of our policing,where troll kea gets his/her ideas from I don’t know. Just shit stirring………again.

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  62. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    lower than pond scum..big brave bullies

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9470311/Burglars-hold-down-elderly-man

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  63. Ed Snack (1,535 comments) says:

    Wiki, you have obviously been doing the sums, the only problem appears to be that your answer is 327.4578923 (approximately).

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  64. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    ” bank’s fees of $25-$45 for over limit, late payment and other issues ”

    Well don’t go over your limit, don’t pay late and don’t do “other issues”. How hard can this be? If they don’t like it, they should move to KiwiBank.

    But, no, this is Aotearoa (formally New Zealand), wah, wah, please mister government, wipe my bottom for me. FFS.

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  65. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Fletch,

    Don’t forget that the same magic pixie also invented smallpox, malaria, bubonic plague, typhus etc.

    Indeed, for most of history most children died before reaching adulthood thanks to wonderous gifts like these from the magic pixie.

    And don’t forget either that your Christian magic pixie hasn’t just murdered the majority of children that have ever been born, he also condemned them – as non-believers – to an eternity of burning torment.

    Perhaps you could do the maths for us and work out approximately how many hundreds of millions of children the Yahweh/Jesus character has got burning right this minute?

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  66. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    “To be continued after 2014 with Labour”

    Agreed. But don’t forget it will also be Green, Mana, Winston, Maori and United Future.

    You WILL notice the difference.

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  67. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    House asking prices dip in November

    The average asking price of homes for sale dipped slightly last month, residential property website Realestate.co.nz says.

    The national average asking price of homes listed for sale on the website was $478,931 in November, down 0.6 per cent compared with October

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9469990/House-asking-prices-dip-in-November

    Haha. The new reserve measures have forced house prices down. Take that greedy real estate industry.

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  68. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘You WILL notice the difference.’

    Then everyone will vote National back in and create political instability the establishment won’t cope with and hopefully implode. If it’s repeated enough.

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  69. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘the only problem appears to be that your answer is 327.4578923 ‘

    If that’s J Keys tax no it’s irrelevant. He hasn’t used it for many, many moons

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  70. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Perhaps you could do the maths for us and work out approximately how many hundreds of millions of children the Yahweh/Jesus character has got burning right this minute?

    wat dabney, so your post suggests that you do believe in God and Heaven/Hell then.
    You just believe He does lots of bad stuff.

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  71. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    kea the troll is on …blah blah blah blah blah

    kowtow, sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting “troll” does not make much of a compelling argument.

    The police serve those in power, not the public. What I said is a self evident truth to any informed person. I provided a specific example to back it up. In modern NZ we have it pretty good and probably have one of the best police forces in the world. But if we had a an evil tyrant in power, they would carry out that tyrants whims. Count on it.

    People often accuse Hitler, Stalin, Mao ect of carrying out all manner of attrocities. But that is untrue. They did bugger all. I am not sure Hitler personally killed any Jews. They had people like the police and kowtow do it for them. Spit the cop cock out of your mouth kowtow and speak the truth.

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  72. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    Toyota looking at alternative ways to transport people in congested cities.

    Three-wheeled cars that are shared rather than owned, a house built by a car company and smartphone apps that help you plan your day to avoid stressing out – these are Toyota’s goals for the future.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/videos/9466613/Toyotas-vision-for-the-future

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  73. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    People often accuse Hitler, Stalin, Mao ect of carrying out all manner of attrocities. But that is untrue. They did bugger all.

    Oh, so you mean they were like Obama and didn’t actually know what was going on in their respective administrations. It was other people who were doing all the killing behind their backs and they knew nothing about it. Thanks for clearing that up.

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  74. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Fletch, do kittens burn in hell for enternity, or only babies that have not become christians ?

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  75. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Oh, so you mean they were like Obama and didn’t actually know what was going on in their respective administrations. It was other people who were doing all the killing behind their backs and they knew nothing about it. Thanks for clearing that up.

    NO.

    Did you really take that meaning from my comment ? Or was it just the mere mention of gods chosen ones that addled your brain ? You share something in common with Hitler in that regard.

    I meant they did not personally kill all those people. They had those who submitt unquestioningly to authority do it for them. People like kowtow. Without people like kowtow, none of their murderous fantasies would ever have come to pass. They would simply be regarded as impotent objects of ridicule. They were given power by those who followed them.

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  76. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Crikey….it’s a dog eat dog hereafter the poor buggers face Kea. Cute kitten….straight to heaven but unbaptised baby straight to the fires of hell. :)

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  77. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘Crikey….it’s a dog eat dog hereafter the poor buggers face Kea. Cute kitten….straight to heaven but unbaptised baby straight to the fires of hell.’

    Some one’s a Catholic. Doesn’t mean they a spiritual believer

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  78. OneTrack (1,958 comments) says:

    “Then everyone will vote National back in”

    But by then the country will resemble Zimbabwe or 50′s East Germany, and half of the productive workforce will have moved to Australia taking their companies, money and attitudes with them. Anybody that is left will be easily overwhelmed by the free money and Santa Claus voters.

    So, maybe not.

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  79. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Some one’s a Catholic. Doesn’t mean they a spiritual believer

    Very true. Many folk only culturally identify with being Muslim, Catholic, Hindu, Jewish ect. Rather than have a literal belief in the mythology.

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  80. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘But by then the country will resemble Zimbabwe or 50′s East Germany…”

    what w can look forward to underthe establishment. Either way, reform through third party representation will become enivtable as the Nat/Lab coalition is shown the door

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  81. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘Rather than have a literal belief in the mythology.’

    Then there’s those who have a literal relationship with the living saviour.

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  82. RichardX (290 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis business (2,451 comments) says:
    December 3rd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
    ‘Rather than have a literal belief in the mythology.’

    Then there’s those who have a literal relationship with the living saviour.

    And there are those that are delusional

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  83. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    another judicial lol moment…

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8765142/13-years-behind-bars-for-jogger-killer

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  84. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    This will please everyone.

    Response to Privileges Committee Report: Hon Peter Dunne

    “On the basis of the Privileges Committee’s findings it is now clear that I was entirely within my rights to decline access to my emails, and that in accessing my electronic records without my approval the Henry Inquiry grossly exceeded its authority and acted quite improperly.

    “In hindsight, it is also clear that the pressure which led me to resign as a Minister, for failing to comply with the Inquiry’s improper demands, while perhaps understandable in the heat of the time, was both unfortunate and a hurried over-reaction.”

    And coincidentally @patrickgowernz

    John Key says Peter Dunne could be back as a Minister

    It was inevitable, just a matter of time.

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  85. srylands (301 comments) says:

    “NZ was invited because we have an international Wall St banker directly from the Federal Reserve and Foreign Exchange as Prime Minister. ”

    There is no such thing as “the Foreign Exchange”. But seriously, this sneering paranoia that you get on The Standard non stop… god it shits me. You come across as a moron.

    So to translate your sneering, you are saying, seriously that the reason NZ is getting an invite from the Australian Government to the G20 is the Prime Minister’s previous occupation? You have obviously never worked in Government, or in any occupation where you are required to demonstrate competence to be taken seriously. You are simply a poster child for the imbecility of the left. Thanks for reminding me.

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  86. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘You are simply a poster child for the imbecility of the left.’

    Don’t forget to negative tick my Paula Bennett speech.

    Wouldn’t be verbatim but close to the bone.

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  87. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    Why St Mark’s Nawton is packed each Sunday

    Exciting times: The Rev Joel Rowse, also known as Matua Joel, inside the nearly 60-year-old St Mark’s Anglican Church where he is vicar.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9467788/Why-St-Marks-Nawton-is-packed-each-Sunday

    Something good that’s happening in a community. And a Maori comunity as well!

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  88. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Then there’s those who have a literal relationship with the living saviour.

    Wiri,

    Fletch was not able to oblige us with an approximation of the number of children that the Yahweh/Jesus character has burning in torment right this minute. Perhaps you could oblige us?

    Remember, “Christians” assert that the unborn are also children; so Jesus has all these sizzling in fire as well, even as we speak.

    So, can you give an approximate of the number of children that Jesus has burning in torment right now.

    To the nearest hundred million will be fine.

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  89. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    And we thought MSD security lapse was bad enough: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101225308

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  90. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Gone.

    Born 4.5 Billion BC, Fragmented Nov 28, 2013 (age 4.5-billion yrs old)

    http://www.isoncampaign.org/karl/in-memoriam

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  91. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Remember, “Christians” assert that the unborn are also children

    Christians don’t have a mortgage on that debate; the relevance of it generally being that it is a precursor to an ethical debate (something else that Christians do not have a mortgage on).

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  92. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    wat dabney

    The age issue is what’s at stake. Infants are innocent .

    God loves us all deeply and provided for our eternal welfare.

    Until we can comprehend our sinfulness before the holiness of the Father we cannot
    fathom why we need to turn from unbelief. Our conscience is internal and God provides the Spirit internally
    when we recognise Christ as our escape from judgement.

    The minds that believe not are blinded by the god of this world. The opposer of all those who believe.

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  93. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Its time had come cha.

    It was certainly getting on a bit. Almost as old as Goofey’s parliamentary “career”.

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  94. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    wiki,

    What you’re describing is totally unbiblical.

    You are simply making up your own feel-good shit.

    You are not Christian in any meaningful sense.

    Those are the facts.

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  95. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘What you’re describing is totally unbiblical.’

    In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
    2 Corinthians 4.4

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  96. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    wiki,

    I repeat, what you’re describing is totally unbiblical.

    Take this nonsense for a start: “The age issue is what’s at stake. Infants are innocent

    It’s like you’ve never heard of original sin.

    Again I repeat, you are simply making up your own feel-good shit.

    You are not Christian in any meaningful sense.

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  97. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘It’s like you’ve never heard of original sin.’

    I certainly undertand the concept of original sin committed by two individuals who spoke to God face to face.

    Faith had no meaning to them. But we, the Bible tells us and which former priest
    Martin Luther founded the Protestant Reformation on, is that the just live by faith.

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  98. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Another Labour Lite MP calls it a day: http://www.3news.co.nz/MP-Shane-Ardern-waves-goodbye-to-Beehive/tabid/1607/articleID/323782/Default.aspx

    Not that this obscure individual was a shining star or anything like that.

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  99. Sofia (779 comments) says:

    Seems the New Testament, the record where you find a few remembered sayings and parables of Jesus, is otherwise a great deal of material according to Paul, who never met Jesus, unless he was among those temple authorities who arrested him.
    Possibly this is why some ‘Christians’ literally believe the whole thing, while a great many others endevour to sift sense from it selectively, guided by the “intellect God has given them” and the choice they have in the matter.

    Just saying.

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  100. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    wiki,

    Clearly you don’t understand the doctrine of original sin. It is in no way limited to “two individuals who spoke to God face to face.”

    We are all, according to doctrine, born as “sinners.”

    Children and babies – who can have no understanding of such things and are in no position to accept the Jesus character as their ‘saviour’ – are therefore destined for eternal torment if and when they die.

    Talk about children being “innocent” shows a complete failure of understanding of doctrine.

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  101. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘We are all, according to doctrine, born as “sinners.”

    Absolutely. We inherited the sin nature from our first parents.

    That only needs reading any newspaper to ascertain.

    Infants and babies are sinless.

    They certainly did not rail against Christ like the adults did.

    Suffer the little children to come unto me Jesus said.

    God preserves the pure.

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  102. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    wiki,

    Absolutely. We inherited the sin nature from our first parents…Infants and babies are sinless.

    You are now simply contradicting yourself.

    According to doctrine, babies are not sinless.

    To assert otherwise is to reject the notion of original sin. And to reject that is to reject the whole point of the Jesus character as ‘saviour.’

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  103. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    I’m liking Frankie the pope.

    http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1305052.htm

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  104. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘According to doctrine, babies are not sinless.’

    Babies are not responsible.

    Have you heard of the concept of grace that sets the Christian faith apart from all others.

    How else could Christ have forgiven the adultress and to cast the first stone at her who is without sin.

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  105. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Give it a break Wiki…..you’re thinking of the soft fluffy New Testament stories beloved of hippies everywhere. Read the OT where they don’t piss around with that namby pamby innocence crap.

    There they grab the ankle biters from their mothers arms & dash their brains out on rocks.

    Harden up! :)

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  106. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    wiki,

    Babies are not responsible.

    You are rejecting original sin, the central concept of the Bible and the very reason for the Jesus character to make his appearance.

    As I said, you are simply making up your own feel-good shit.

    You are not Christian in any meaningful sense.

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  107. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘Read the OT …’

    I study the OT deeply. We are not though in the OT age any more.

    But even then God honoured the faith of foreigners.

    The goodness of God is documented soundly in the psalms and Isaiah as two examples of the OT.

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  108. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    ‘“Babies are not responsible.”

    You are rejecting original sin,’

    you are rejecting the goodness of God you have no idea, concept or experience of.

    Only that you still breath and even prosper according to his mercies

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  109. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    wiki,

    The goodness of God is documented soundly in the psalms and Isaiah as two examples of the OT.

    Is Yahweh’s goodness also documented in the supposed fact that he murdered virtually everyone in the entire world by drowning them and engaged in murderous racial wars of ethnic cleansing?

    For 10 points: Can anyone name any other mythical character who is more evil than the Yahweh/Jesus character from the Bible?

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  110. wikiriwhis business (3,282 comments) says:

    tis a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10.31

    I won’t make any excuses about that.

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  111. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Pope Francis also gave a bit of advice, saying it was important to be nice and good and to be a good example for others.

    That message doesn’t seem to be seeping down under to one of his NZ parishioners.

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  112. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    That’s a bit tough Davinci….the parishioner in question has recently had his face forcibly removed from its normal repository, i.e. Baity’s arse.

    We’ll have to cut him some slack until he adjusts. :)

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  113. mandk (684 comments) says:

    wat dabney @ 1.24:

    “Perhaps you could do the maths for us and work out approximately how many hundreds of millions of children the Yahweh/Jesus character has got burning right this minute?”

    If you were familiar with the teachings of Jesus, you would know that the answer is zero.

    Indeed, Jesus taught that being like a little child is a pre-requisite for entering the kingdom of heaven. See Matt 18.3 and Matt 19.4

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  114. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Frankie isn’t too popular with some.

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  115. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    The progs can chalk up another win cha. Today the Vatican…..tomorrow the World.

    Poor Baity. :)

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  116. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    ‘The modern world is like a train full of ammunition running in the fog on a moonless night with its lights out.’
    — Robert Ardrey

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  117. Sofia (779 comments) says:

    Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
    – Matthew 18:3

    Presumably means …become like little children WITHOUT SINS

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  118. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    mandk,

    Matt 18:3 ‘Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.’

    You too are trying to reject the concept of original sin; that we need to accept the Jesus character as a saviour.

    Is that what you are saying?

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  119. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Infants and babies are sinless.

    Unfortunately wiki, wat’s right on this occasion. It doesn’t happen very often but he’s right this time.

    Babies are born into sin courtesy of the original sin, then they take on their very own sinful nature the first time they have a sinful thought, which is usually crying not because they’re distressed but because they feel like it. Bear in mind sin covers thoughts, words and deeds.

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  120. Gulag1917 (425 comments) says:

    Arminianism v covenantal theology debate again?

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  121. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Unfortunately wiki…

    Why ‘unfortunately’?

    I thought your deity was the last word in love and compassion, yet here you are telling us Yahweh’s edict in this matter is ‘unfortunate.’

    Let’s be clear, Yahweh/Jesus the magic pixie could wriggle his cute little nose like Elizabeth Montgomery and instantly those hundreds of millions of babies and children he’s tormenting with fire would be relieved.

    It is Yahweh/Jesus who chooses to burn babies and children.

    Let’s be clear again: Yahweh/Jesus is infinately worse and more evil that that baby rapist English pop singer that was convicted recently.

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  122. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Remember kids, never pick a fight with an Alaskan women.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/20116160/brutal-oktoberfest-fight-caught-on-camera/

    Longer version.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=362_1385917709

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  123. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    Banks to Stand Trial.
    Second strike.

    DG will see the irony.

    A second judge has ordered ACT leader John Banks to stand trial for electoral fraud next year.

    The decision, released this afternoon, came after Banks appeared in the High Court at Auckland last week where he sought a review of the initial district court decision for him to stand trial.

    He will stand trial over how donations to his 2010 Auckland mayoral campaign were recorded. After his High Court hearing last week, Banks said he was not worried about the outcome as he had done nothing wrong.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9471229/ACT-leader-John-Banks-to-face-trial

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  124. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    A great example of christian love and good will to all man is kowtow :-|

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  125. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Why ‘unfortunately’?

    Because normally you’re wrong wat, I was referring to how unfortunate it was you’d lucked onto the correct answer, since your ego normally explodes at such news. But never mind, I see in the next few lines you return to form and completely misapply the truth you accidentally stumbled upon.

    It is Yahweh/Jesus who chooses to burn babies and children.

    No that’s the followers of Moloch and Baal who chose to do that, wat. My understanding is that despite being sinful you’re not subject to the day of judgement unless and until you’re of an age to know right from wrong. That means all the children who have died prior to that and all intellectually handicapped people get the pass into the sheep, whereas people like you and Kea would, on current performance, go into the goats.

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  126. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    My understanding is that despite being sinful you’re not subject to the day of judgement unless and until you’re of an age to know right from wrong…

    Completely unbiblical.

    Shit you made up.

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  127. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION OF JEWS OVER THE CENTURIES

    In the second century and beyond, many of the principal Fathers of the Church began to write of Jews as a “rejected people” who were doomed to a life of marginality and misery. Jews were to wander the world as a “despised people.” This image persisted in Christian preaching, art and popular teaching for centuries to come. In certain countries it often led to civil and political discrimination against Jews and in some instances to physical attacks on Jews which resulted in death. While some Popes, bishops and Christian princes stepped up to protect Jews, they were clearly a minority.

    When the Nazis came on the scene in Germany they were able to draw upon the legacy of Christian anti-Judaism

    http://www.ushmm.org/research/the-center-for-advanced-holocaust-studies/programs-ethics-religion-the-holocaust/articles-and-resources/christian-persecution-of-jews-over-the-centuries

    A sorry tradition carried on today by the likes of kowtow. The only difference is the very recent shift to targeting Muslims. The Catholic Church backed holocaust against Serbs and Jews (to create a pure Catholic state) began in the 1940′s and was completed only recently in the 90′s. Just last year holocaust survivors were appalled that the leader of the Croatian holocaust was remembered and celebrated in Catholic masses held in Catholic Churches all over Croatia.

    It is incredible that against this background we do not tolerate Nazi sympathisers but do allow Catholic Churches to flourish like a tumor among civilised society.

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  128. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Completely unbiblical.

    God is just wat and it would be unjust to condemn souls who lacked mens rea (guilty mind).

    Ro 9:14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

    For example.

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  129. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Bob’s in the shit.

    “If you got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood.”

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/20122387/bob-dylan-charged-in-france-over-croat-comments/

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  130. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Reid,

    God is just wat and it would be unjust to condemn souls who lacked mens rea (guilty mind).

    You too are denying the concept of original sin.

    The very idea of original sin is unjust and wrong; yet there it is, sitting front and centre in Christianity like a steaming pile of shit on the living room floor.

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  131. Colville (1,770 comments) says:

    What the fu*k is up with the cricket? Two players with tons in a test? Is that the Slack Craps that is playing WI ? :-)

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  132. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Hay GOD freaks !, thumbing down my informative and educational comments will not change history. Nor will chanting your mantra of “troll”.

    You could always try prayer LOL :)

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  133. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    I had a good time in Croatia and think more people should visit there. One of the things I enjoyed was the solidity of the culture. It is very much a un-PC staunchly Roman Catholic country. I saw very few “minorities”. It felt liberated and people smoked everywhere. It will be interesting to see how they fare in the open border policy of the communist EU. Already they are playing up merry hell over attempts to liberalise laws around homosexuals.

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  134. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Do I bother to read the entire thread, or are the last few comments indicative of what’s been going on all day … decisions, decisions ..

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  135. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Lucy honey, I was wondered if you might pop up !

    We have only just begun and the night is young :)

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  136. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    “Do I bother to read the entire thread, or are the last few comments indicative of what’s been going on all day … decisions, decisions ..”

    Why would you bother Lucia. You are an apologist for the thousands of crimes committed by the evil Catholic church, we all know that you prefer to stick your head in the sand so there is little point.

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  137. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Yes, I might have to read the thread to see what I’m in for if I stick around.

    Hello Kea, feeling refreshed from your time away? Banished for a while. That must have hurt.

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  138. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Banksy…maate…looks like u be in the shit a bit deeper today ?

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  139. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Lucy, I found some more interesting history for you. I know you are a big fan of the church, so I thought I would share it with you:

    Horrors of the Roman Catholic Church!

    http://www.angelfire.com/realm/soulseeking0/rcc.html

    [ WARNING: Very disturbing. Contains truth about Catholics]

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  140. Longknives (4,040 comments) says:

    Colville- The West Indies are pretty woeful and seem to have some internal turmoil…India absolutely massacred them.
    I doubt the Young Guns..sorry Black Caps have ‘turned the corner’ just yet….

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  141. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    The very idea of original sin is unjust and wrong

    Why? If it wasn’t for original sin, which was inspired by Satan, then all of us would be living in the Garden of Eden, as God intended. God didn’t cause the original sin, Satan did, and Satan causes all the other sins since.

    What you and many others don’t seem to get, is that God will not allow sin into His presence. He hates sin. Of any and all kinds. And if you’re guilty of one sin, you’re guilty of them all, by law. Thoughts, words or deeds, it doesn’t matter. Small or large, it doesn’t matter. Sin is sin is sin.

    Before the covenant of the Blood of the Lamb, a blood sacrifice of an innocent animal was necessary before offering prayer and worship to God. This is because the spirit resides in the blood. This became over time perverted by the priests who said a sestertii was the only acceptable form of currency to buy the doves, and the money changers in the temple began charging exorbitant rates for sestertii, thus preventing the people from accessing God and that’s why Jesus overturned their tables in the only violent act He ever committed.

    When they killed Jesus, God on Earth in human form, who had never sinned, not once, God then deemed this to be an acceptable sacrifice for those who accepted Him as their Lord and Saviour. So a blood sacrifice became replaced by the covenant of the Blood of the Lamb.

    Now since we’re all human and we keep sinning, the Christ-ian walk is a gradual process of purification. And it’s a process sustained through faith and hope of salvation, that keeps us going.

    Meanwhile, Satan the Deceiver and Slanderer, keeps on encouraging people to turn away, to enjoy the pleasures of the world, to “do what thou wilt,” which according to Aleistar Crowley, is the whole of the law.

    And when you look at the world and what happens in it, who do you think has the apparent upper hand. Satan is very good at what he does, isn’t he. But when you use your innate sense of right and wrong to assess what is correct and what isn’t, you see as can everyone if they’re honest and have a 3-digit IQ, that Satan’s way leads to death. Trouble is, many people have fallen for Satan’s greatest deception of all. That he doesn’t exist.

    That’s why many don’t even get the basics.

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  142. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    And Big Bruv is here, fantastic. I’ll have to set the ignore level to high.

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  143. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Hello Kea, feeling refreshed from your time away? Banished for a while. That must have hurt.

    Lucy, thanks for you concern, but I got some extra reading and running in, plus I was busy doing worky stuff in Auckland.

    Remember Lucy, Jesus will not love you like I would :)

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  144. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Don’t worry Lucia. I know you read everything I write.

    You should stick around though, there is a slim chance that you might learn something. Hell, even D4J might turn up to defend you.

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  145. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    For those who aren’t interested in the ‘other’ discussion, how about this:

    http://filmingcops.com/corrupt-government-chemist-tampered-with-40000-cases-locking-countless-innocent-americans-in-prison/

    AND this chemist gets only 3 years.

    AND there are other people in the lab who are facing investigation

    AND look at her photo.

    AND the prosecutors encouraged her to gild the lily, so they could boost their conviction rate. Who cares about guilt or innocence.

    Speaking of evil. Speaking of Satan’s influence in our world right here, right now.

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  146. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Helping the Green cause: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/02/CA-Air-Resources-Board-fuel-efficiency

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  147. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Lucy, how about you and I head off for a jaunt around the beautiful Croatian islands together ?

    There are lots of great places for you to bother God. But first you will need a few sins for forgiving. That is where I come in. ;)

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  148. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Very tasteful Alison Mau … NOT.

    Just saw a promo for Seven Sharp, and the show is going to be something with Nigel Latta and toilet humour. That’s as may be, but no excuse for Mau to say, “he’ll help you give a crap”.
    Can we get this woman off the TV already?
    Actually the whole show is rubbish. I know my folks switch over immediately after the news – even Campbell Live is better.

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  149. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Why? If it wasn’t for original sin, which was inspired by Satan, then all of us would be living in the Garden of Eden, as God intended. God didn’t cause the original sin, Satan did, and Satan causes all the other sins since.

    Well, let’s track down the culprit who created this Satan fellow and give him a good talking to!

    Meanwhile, Satan the Deceiver and Slanderer, keeps on encouraging people to turn away, to enjoy the pleasures of the world, to “do what thou wilt,” which according to Aleistar Crowley, is the whole of the law.

    I’m not especially a fan of Crowley, but you’re conveniently forgetting the next part of the quote, there: “Love is the law.”

    Trouble is, many people have fallen for Satan’s greatest deception of all. That he doesn’t exist.

    How did he do that? By removing all evidence of his existence from the world? Sneaky.

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  150. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Reid, that is appalling. What a mess trying to put that right.

    [expect a down tick from kowtow, for questioning the "authorities".]

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  151. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Before the covenant of the Blood of the Lamb, a blood sacrifice of an innocent animal was necessary before offering prayer and worship to God…

    Fuck me. You sad, sad man.

    If it wasn’t for original sin, which was inspired by Satan, then all of us would be living in the Garden of Eden, as God intended. God didn’t cause the original sin, Satan did, and Satan causes all the other sins since.

    Firstly, by definition, as a supposed omnipotent deity, nobody and nothing else “causes” anything. Specifically, the heroic Satan character in the book didn’t ’cause’ anything which the omnipotent Yahweh/Jesus character didn’t design, implement and impose. And that includes the hideous notion of original sin, whereby people suffer and are punished for the transgressions of others.

    The evil doctrine of original sin is all Yahweh/Jesus.

    100% of it.

    Secondly, it is that evil Yahweh/Jesus-imposed doctrine which consigns children and babies to be born as “sinners” and therefore inevitably to suffer an eternity in burning torment if and when they die.

    Your pathetic wheedling is like the babysitter blaming the two-year-old for burning down the house.

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  152. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Fletch, why the need to endure such rubbish? Just turn the TV off. It will not be long before Mau & co are off-air.
    Ratings rule and Seven Sharp must be very, very low.

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  153. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    It should be the end of him (at last!): http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8765322/john-banks-to-stand-trial

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  154. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Manolo.

    Yep, Banksie should resign without delay and enable a by election. ACT could yet revive itself with a decent candidate standing in Epsom.

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  155. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “but no excuse for Mau to say, “he’ll help you give a crap”.”

    But shes a new age liberal lesbian with children..c’mon , its cool , its hip to be rad man..

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  156. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Well, let’s track down the culprit who created this Satan fellow and give him a good talking to!

    Satan has free will Ryan because you can’t love without free will and the whole point of creation is creating a family of love freely given and freely received. Satan decided not to go with that because he wanted to be the head so God decided in His wisdom to allow him the opportunity to run for office amongst the family God created – us. This is our life, today.

    I’m not especially a fan of Crowley, but you’re conveniently forgetting the next part of the quote, there: “Love is the law.”

    You’re either ignorantly or purposely ignoring the second part: There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt. Love is the law, love under will. True love is not willed, it’s granted. Do you choose to love? No. It comes from somewhere you know not where. You can will yourself to feel affection, but you can’t will yourself to love. This is because love comes from God. God is love. And He gives it to all of us.

    How did he do that? By removing all evidence of his existence from the world?

    No the evidence exists, but you have to look for it and know what you’re looking at and if you’re not looking for it or don’t know what you’re looking at then it can be staring you right in the face and you still won’t see it. For example: http://www.whale.to/b/hand.html

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  157. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Well, let’s track down the culprit who created this Satan fellow and give him a good talking to!

    Ryan, Satan wasn’t always bad though. He was Lucifer before that: an angel of light. And God made him that good thing. The thing is that God also gave his created things free will – to love Him or not. Just like you have free will to love God or not. I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if you’d been programmed to have to love somebody or to have to feel or act a certain way.
    Free will is a double edged sword, but we can’t really be, well – free – without it.

    Lucifer rebelled and took a third of the angels with him.

    [edit] – Ryan, snap!

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  158. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    Ah but Manolo the other useful idiot is coming back.
    I refer of course to the delightful, pragmatic fence sitting Member for possum country down Wellington way.

    indeed I got a live picture of him.

    http://screencast.com/t/7gfJXrTNLnc

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  159. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    liarbors a joke (1,048 comments) says:
    December 3rd, 2013 at 6:49 pm

    “but no excuse for Mau to say, “he’ll help you give a crap”.”

    But shes a new age liberal lesbian with children..c’mon , its cool , its hip to be rad man..
    =================

    Well I guess some of them have to double up.

    Census says there are more women than men.
    So got to get it somewhere.
    Especially since the new Marriage Bill has allowed double ups for men. Kinda makes the gender split a bit worse.

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  160. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Or it just might be the Hawaiian shaka…eh…brah.

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  161. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Lets say you are a degenerate, habitual user of prostitutes and,

    for some reason, you feel the need to broadcast that fact on a blogsite.

    Why would you also make the gormless statement that you have never used the
    same one twice ?

    Maybe it’s because you are really so unworldly that you are oblivious to the fact that
    other readers may have used the odd Ho and can see what a prat you must be.

    Hey dime. Any comment ?

    Some of us would realise that there are several types of whores.

    Some are hard cows out to rip you off.
    Some just do the job, take your dollars and get out of there.
    Then there are some who are kinda like caring nurses who do the best job they can, love
    their work and give it their all.

    Most users of working girls would twig to it when they struck a good one and go back for
    seconds.

    Now what does it say about a degenerate, habitual user who can’t recognise the difference ?

    What do you think dime ?

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  162. SGA (516 comments) says:

    big bruv at 8:02 am

    Has Penny Bright paid her rates yet?
    Has Len Brown resigned yet?

    big bruv at 6:47 pm

    Banksie should resign without delay and enable a by election.

    Well, bb, from the looks of it, there is clearly something odd about those who want (or have wanted) to be Mayor of Auckland.

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  163. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Here’s something from C.S Lewis to chew on –

    Christians, then, believe that an evil power has made himself for the present the Prince of this World. And, of course, that raises problems. Is this state of affairs in accordance with God’s will or not? If it is, He is a strange God, you will say: and if it is not, how can anything happen contrary to the will of a being with absolute power?

    But anyone who has been in authority knows how a thing can be in accordance with your will in one way and not in another. It may be quite sensible for a mother to say to the children, “I’m not going to go and make you tidy the schoolroom every night. You’ve got to learn to keep it tidy on your own.” Then she goes up one night and finds the Teddy bear and the ink and the French Grammar all lying in the grate. That is against her will. She would prefer the children to be tidy. But on the other hand, it is her will which has left the children free to be untidy. The same thing arises in any regiment, or trade union, or school. You make a thing voluntary and then half the people do not do it. That is not what you willed, but your will has made it possible.

    It is probably the same in the universe. God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot. If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata—of creatures that worked like machines—would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

    Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with Him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes: you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream can rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against Him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will—that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings—then we may take it it is worth paying.

    When we have understood about free will, we shall see how silly it is to ask, as somebody once asked me: “Why did God make a creature of such rotten stuff that it went wrong?” The better stuff a creature is made of—the cleverer and stronger and freer it is—then the better it will be if it goes right, but also the worse it will be if it goes wrong. A cow cannot be very good or very bad; a dog can be both better and worse; a child better and worse still; an ordinary man, still more so; a man of genius, still more so; a superhuman spirit best—or worst—of all.

    How did the Dark Power go wrong? Here, no doubt, we ask a question to which human beings cannot give an answer with any certainty. A reasonable (and traditional) guess, based on our own experiences of going wrong, can, however, be offered. The moment you have a self at all, there is a possibility of putting Yourself first—wanting to be the centre—wanting to be God, in fact. That was the sin of Satan: and that was the sin he taught the human race. Some people think the fall of man had something to do with sex, but that is a mistake. (The story in the Book of Genesis rather suggests that some corruption in our sexual nature followed the fall and was its result, not its cause.)

    What Satan put into the heads of our remote ancestors was the idea that they could “be like gods”—could set up on their own as if they had created themselves—be their own masters—invent some sort of happiness for themselves outside God, apart from God. And out of that hopeless attempt has come nearly all that we call human history—money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery—the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy.

    C. S. Lewis (2009-06-14T22:00:00+00:00). Mere Christianity (Kindle Locations 576-609). HarperCollins Publishers. Kindle Edition.

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  164. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    It’s not just Banks in deep trouble, Act have some deep pondering to work out how to extract themselves from a very awkward bind. If the trial isn’t held in the first half of next year (and it looks like it won’t) that places them in an almost impossible situation, unless Banks indicates he won’t stand again.

    One man and a private prosecution could potentially impact on the whole election and options for the next Government.

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  165. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Lucifer rebelled and took a third of the angels with him.

    Incredible watching otherwise intelligent men recite mythology as if it is ordinary fact.

    I notice you boys are willing to take that garbage literally, but ignore crystal clear biblical directions on issues such as: non-virgin brides, rape victims, disobedient kids, slaves, working on the sabath, and rather a lot else.

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  166. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    What do you think dime ?

    If I was to guess dime’s response beryl, it would be to eat —- and —.

    Great day for the black caps! What a commanding performance? I eat humble pie over my bagging of McCullum.

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  167. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    nickb

    You’re an easy task master.

    One test hundred in three years against the Windies B team bowling line up and you think all is well in ego McCullum land?

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  168. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Kea, I believe we have given reasonable answers to many of those things (in some instances multiple times) but you just keep on repeating them again and again. You don’t WANT to know the answer or to try to follow our reasoning. You’re not searching. You’re not interested. You have this thing in your head and you’ll follow that way.

    As Billy Graham says, the Cross is offensive. It offends people. But it must be confronted, one way or another.

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  169. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    It was inevitable, just a matter of time.

    Spinning this as exoneration is straight out disingenuous.

    Why did he resign stating that he “had been unwise, even stupid”?

    He has admitted discussing leaking state secrets to a reporter, with that reporter. Coincidentally he then refuses to release around 40 of 80 emails he sent to her over a period of around a week.

    There hasn’t been a clearer statement of innocence since Bain’s retrial.

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  170. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Well what a suprise.

    little nickb cannot help himself. @7.07

    Jumps in like a Pavlov dog.

    Give your master at least some chance to answer for himself before you
    leap to his aid little nickb.

    (talk to you later)

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  171. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    ignore crystal clear biblical directions on issues such as: non-virgin brides, rape victims, disobedient kids, slaves, working on the sabath, and rather a lot else.

    We don’t ignore them Kea, many of us just know how to put them into the proper context, something which I’ve noted you aren’t particularly good at, perhaps because you don’t want to be, even though you could be if you wanted to.

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  172. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Fletch

    Is that the same Billy Graham who said that AIDS was a judgement from his God?

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  173. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    “many of us just know how to put them into the proper context,”

    Just how do you put rape into the proper context?

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  174. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    We don’t ignore them Kea, many of us just know how to put them into the proper context,

    Reid, so what is the CONTEXT where you approve of killing naughty kids, people who work on the sabath, stoning non virgin brides to death on their dads door step, tearing babies from pregnant women etc. ?

    You have made it clear you will not condemn those things as wrong. For you they are all OK in the right context.

    And how do you know what the context is for your selective reading ?

    Provide Bible verses to back up your answers. Eg EVIDENCE

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  175. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    Coincidentally he then refuses to release around 40 of 80 emails he sent to her over a period of around a week.

    That’s factually incorrect. Dunne sent 42 emails over two weeks, and he handed over some of those and parts of others. That’s all officially documented. And now the Privileges Committee has backed Dunne’s refusal to hand over anything else, he shouldn’t have had to hand over anything. That’s all in today’s report.

    I didn’t spin any any exoneration. There is no proof Dunne leaked the report, as any lawyer should know, so the identity of who leaked the report remains unproven and therefore unknown.

    The report shows that the Henry inquiry grossly overstepped and has been severely criticised for that – much along the lines of criticisms I made and was attacked here for. I didn’t before but I can now claim exoneration for that, not that I expect any sudden honesty or integrity from those who attacked me.

    And it’s clear if Henry hadn’t carried out the inquiry so poorly and unjustly then Dunne would never have been put in a position where he felt compelled to resign, so would still be a Minister. (That is regardless of the unproven case of who leaked the report).

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  176. Lucia Maria (1,983 comments) says:

    Well, read the thread.

    I Have a couple of thoughts on original sin. The first being that Wat, Reid and Wirikiri are all kind of right and kind of wrong.

    Original sin could be thought of as unfair, if it weren’t for Grace (as Wiri mentions) from God to help us overcome it. Grace does not overwhelm free will however, so a person can choose to co-operate with God or not. No babies are condemned to Hell, as Hell requires free consent and understanding that requires being of an age to understand right from wrong (as Reid mentions).

    Raging against Original Sin for making us exercise our choice to reject evil is like raging against gravity for making us walk as babies – it’s pointless. It’s there, get over it. We have to fight against it’s effects like we have to fight against gravity. Some people don’t have the will, they don’t want to get off the couch, they want to indulge in their appetites no matter the help they are given.

    For those of us who care, it’s painful to watch.

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  177. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    For those of us who don’t give a stuff it’s worse. :)

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  178. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    tearing babies from pregnant women etc.

    That’s a mention right there of something you probably approve of – abortion – and yet you’re condemning something that, according to you, God approves of in the Bible (although I’m not sure that it is). How do you condemn it in one case, yet approve it when babies are torn from women today in the name of convenience?

    That seems a bit hypocritical to me.

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  179. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Actually, i think i made my point tonite.

    i’ll give it away for now.
    The stick man himself must be busy,
    i cant wait the 3 minutes.
    But, when you recover from your efforts dime if you can spare a moment to
    respond…. Otherwise…

    talk to you tomorrow little nickb.

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  180. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Fletch, In what CONTEXT do you approve of those things ?

    You are ok with rape, stoning rape victims to death, genocide and infanticide, slavery, mass murder, torture, just as long as the CONTEXT is ok.

    All jokes, point making and polemics aside… fucking listen to yourself ! Look what religion has you defending. You can not bring yourself to condemn it as just plain wrong.

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  181. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    OH and Fletch, that was a very slimy and dishonest reply @ 7:32 to a simple question.

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  182. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    It does not take long to expose Lucia as a liar as well as an apologist for the evil catholic church.

    ” No babies are condemned to Hell”

    That comment from Lucia is a blatant lie, she knows it and anybody with a passing interest in Catholicism knows it to be a lie.

    For centuries those who lost a child who had not been baptised were told that their child had gone to a “mild form of hell”. Imagine the torment that caused the already grieving parents of the deceased child.

    Only later did the church decide that tormenting parents over the death of their children was a bit much even for them, at that stage they introduced the idea (again proving that god is man made) of “limbo” where the child stays, neither in hell nor in heaven.

    Face it folks, Lucia is a liar and nothing she has to say should be believed.

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  183. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    What do you say to this Cameron Slater?

    (Of course – I’d prefer to ask you directly on your Whale Oil blog, but as far as I know, you’re still not a ‘journalist’ and I’m still ‘banned’? ;)

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    ‘Dodgy John’ is going …. going……

    http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/john-banks-loses-bid-avoid-trial-5748104

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Banks-to-stand-trial-for-electoralfraud/tabid/1607/articleID/323805/Default.aspx

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11166361

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/229740/banks-loses-another-bid-over-trial

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbnat/1319821655-john-banks-to-stand-trial-for-alleged-electoral-fraud

    Well done Graham McCready!

    This private prosecution has set QUITE a history-making precedent, (in my opinion).

    Credit where it is due – good to see the Solicitor-General Michael Heron, acting for the public, in the public interest.

    Some of us have put in a considerable amount of time and effort helping to alert the public to just how ‘dodgy’ the ‘Not-So-Honorable John Banks has been, and how his signature / word is apparently so meaningless?

    The secret is – NEVER, EVER ‘drop the ball’.

    Keep going ………

    Have a lovely evening Kiwibloggers – I certainly am! :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    http://www.pennybright4epsom.org.nz

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  184. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Perhaps this will give us the answer. :)

    Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/98p6al1sfxafjjo/Bible%201.jpg

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  185. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Penny.

    Have you paid your rates yet?

    Are you on any form of benefit from the tax payer?

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  186. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

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  187. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    My two bobs worth:

    read this last night:

    “God needs man more than man needs God.”

    Sums it up perfectly for me.

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  188. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    Kea, as I said, we’ve been through this all before.

    You post Biblical references, I answer you with what I think they mean, you go away and post the same verses/accusations a few weeks later. It’s pointless.

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  189. nickb (3,629 comments) says:

    No bruv, not at all. Was bagging him on here yesterday though.

    He certainly hasn’t scored enough runs. The issue with McCullum IMO is that it upsets the balance of the side if he goes into a form slump again and then Ryder comes back. Presumably that means Anderson drops out which means we lose a genuine fourth seamer and a promising young allrounder.

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  190. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    Not pointless Fletch, but instructive. If Kea is not getting the message then you must be doing a crap job of selling it.

    That, or the message is a complete load of bollocks. :)

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  191. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Fletch, ok

    I simply invite you to listen to that Youtube clip that explains it better than I have done.

    I know you are not an evil bastard in reality. That is why it is so disturbing to see you refuse to condemn those things due to religion :(

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  192. Dean Papa (616 comments) says:

    Toilet humour is Kiwi as!!

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  193. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    nickb

    Agree, a great innings, 100 off 101, you’d be a miserable bastard to criticize that but lets see it followed by a 70, a 46 ,a 83 a duck and a 116. That’s called a rich vein of form and expected of a top order batsman.

    If he doesn’t go over 50 for the next 5 innings bring back Skippy

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  194. Longknives (4,040 comments) says:

    nickb and Bruv- I stand by my comments about McCullum yesterday.
    The guy could have been a genuinely great keeper/batsman- but his ego demanded that he open. It didn’t work out (simply because he isn’t good enough to open in Tests) and he all but ruined his legacy.
    Nice knock today but one big score against genuinely woeful opponents doesn’t automatically forgive all shockers in the past..

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  195. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Face it folks, Lucia is a liar and nothing she has to say should be believed.

    biggot bruv, you obsessive cowardly troll prog homo loving heathen communist, Lucy can not reply as she is busy packing for our trip to Croatia. :)

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  196. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    “Dad, Ben at school says he can fly!”

    “I don’t think so, son.”

    “It’s true! Lots of the other kids said so too!”

    “Son, sometimes people invent things to get themselves noticed. It’s not nice to make up stories like that because people end up believing them, telling others & then that person’s worth is judged on lies. OK?”

    “OK dad.”

    “Good boy, now sit there & read your Bible.”

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  197. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    After living in the remote countryside of Ireland all his life, an old Irishman decided it was time to visit Dublin ..
    In one of the stores, he picks up a mirror and looks into it.
    Not ever having seen a mirror before, he remarked at the image staring back at him.
    ‘How ’bout that! he exclaims, ‘Here’s a picture of my Fadder.’
    He bought the mirror thinking it was a picture of his dad, but on the way home he remembered his wife didn’t like his father, so he hung it in the shed, and every morning before leaving to go fishing, he would go there and look at it.
    His wife began to get suspicious of his many trips to the shed.
    So, one day after her husband left, she went to the shed and found the mirror.
    As she looked into the glass, she fumed, ‘So that’s the ugly bitch he’s running around with.’

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  198. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    nasska, you sister loving hillbilly gorse farmer, why no “smug” smileys anymore ? :)

    You were always Reds favourite, you know that don’t you ? :)

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  199. MH (558 comments) says:

    Bring on the rack,any Catholic/protestant MP’s still familiar and proficient with its use ?

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  200. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    ….”You were always Reds favourite, you know that don’t you”….

    I think that at some stage I must have typed something that upset him Kea…….it all went downhill from there. :)

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  201. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    nasska, he loved you very much. That is why he was so sensitive. He was very highly strung. Dunno if you noticed or not ? LOL :)

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  202. stigie (618 comments) says:

    He loved us all Kea !!

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  203. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    By definition Kea, a leader is someone who has followers, and the more followers, the greater the leader.

    Baity’s “friend” tally on Twitter will back up the theory. :)

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  204. stigie (618 comments) says:

    Poor ole Reddy, wonder what he gets up to these days ?

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  205. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Poor ole Reddy, wonder what he gets up to these days ?

    Loping his mule frantically like he has always done except he doesn’t do as much typing these days.

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  206. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    He wouldn’t have been such a great lover had it not been for all the practice he has done by himself Paul. :).

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  207. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Poor ole Reddy, wonder what he gets up to these days ?

    Apparently “Twittering” like an 11 year old girl.

    Ironic given his reasons for running off in a hissy fit. And this is the self proclaimed leader of the conservative vanguard/spearhead !

    Don’t make em like they used to :)

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  208. Ross12 (927 comments) says:

    Well Penny if you think John is dodgy I presume you will put plenty of energy into David Cunliffe being hauled before the Courts and while you are at it you can haul Russel Norman into court as well. Look at the comment by Steve Wrathall in this thread on WhaleOil

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/12/time-change-electoral-law/#more-118587

    They are all at it breaking the laws. So Penny if you don’t want appear hypocritical you had better get your gang into action.
    All of us on Kiwiblog will look forward to your reports.

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  209. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    Actually Ross – I’m not SUPERWOMAN – can’t do everything – am self-funded, so I set my own priorities – and am actually quite focused on other things?

    FYI – myself and Lisa Prager have requested the SFO conduct an investigation into Auckland Mayor Len Brown and Sky City for alleged bribery and corruption.

    I have been advised today by the SFO that they will decide by 17 December 2013 whether or not to conduct an inquiry.

    (See http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/ for the above-mentioned complaint ).

    Here’s a thought Ross!

    Nothing is actually stopping YOU from taking action yourself, if you feel strongly about it?

    “Well Penny if you think John is dodgy I presume you will put plenty of energy into David Cunliffe being hauled before the Courts and while you are at it you can haul Russel Norman into court as well. Look at the comment by Steve Wrathall in this thread on WhaleOil ”

    ie: Get off your whining butt and do it yourself?

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

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  210. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey girls,

    Try and show some character.
    Just one, is there even just one ?

    Either continue with your circle fuck or is there just one with the guts to address any one of my questions @ 6.59 ?

    Is there just one man/girl that can step up ?

    i mean, just one who can address any of the questions without attacking the messenger.

    Surely there must be at least one girl who can give it a go.

    nickb aint gotit, maybe his protegee dime can step up ?

    Ok. Maybe tomorrow.
    dimes buggered tonight, he gave it everything he had, he’s wasted.
    at least he got his $150 dollars worth.
    (or so he thought, in his mind.)

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  211. dime (8,750 comments) says:

    “dimes buggered tonight, he gave it everything he had, he’s wasted.
    at least he got his $150 dollars worth.”

    your mum doesnt charge that much anymore

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  212. dime (8,750 comments) says:

    “Some are hard cows out to rip you off.
    Some just do the job, take your dollars and get out of there.
    Then there are some who are kinda like caring nurses who do the best job they can, love
    their work and give it their all.”

    jesus beryl, i just logged on. great rant.

    you left out:

    “the type who are working in order to get their passports back” #dimesfavouritekind

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  213. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    Here we go again folks!

    The 2013 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’, has New Zealand and Denmark tied as 1st-equal.

    http://www.transparency.org/news/pressrelease/corruption_perceptions_index_corruption_around_the_world_in_2013

    Pity about the CORRUPTION REALITY?

    If New Zealand was truly the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ – wouldn’t you think we would at least have ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption?

    New Zealand can’t ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption – because our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework is not yet in place.

    (Germany hasn’t yet ratified the UN Convention Against Corruption, and that’s where Transparency International is based!)

    In my considered opinion, Transparency International’s ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is not worth the paper upon which it is written.

    For a genuine New Zealand anti-corruption / pro-transparency framework – try this:

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

    I look forward to debating this on mainstream media.

    Penny Bright

    Attendee: 2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference Brisbane
    Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference Bangkok
    Attendee: 2013 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference Sydney

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  214. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Just fukin pathetic dime.

    Actually, your 10.14 was cringeworthy,

    Seems that you know that you are just a wanker.

    (Probably not even up to being a wanker if the truth was known.)

    Well, at least little nickb stayed up long enough to give you a thumbs up.

    Talk to you girls later.

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  215. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Reid. You may read this, I hope so. I think the concept of original sin arose from a recognition that we are all deeply flawed. That is because be were not designed, we evolved from bacteria, fish, “crocodiles”, “monkeys”. We are just a weird mix of the animals that went before. We don’t have a soul any more than a monkey or a crocodile does. Even the exhortation “Do not kill” is a social construct that would be absurd for a lion, for example. I wish you well and hope we can disagree without rancour.

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  216. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    “the type who are working in order to get their passports back” #dimesfavouritekind

    Welcome back dime :)

    I was getting a bit worried about you with all this talk of male bonding and bloody cricket !

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  217. itstricky (1,139 comments) says:

    They try and hide their bias better, don’t they, whereas WhaleOil leaves you in no doubt where he is coming from. Strangely I prefer that model than the journolists who claim they are fair and unbiased. That is the lie. Some of them could do with some acting lessons because they don’t cover it up very well at all.

    Or the completely plausable explanation that you hear things that you don’t like so you automatically subconciously determine that they are biased or a conspiracy against your way of thinking.

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  218. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Is it Safe ?, you filthy communist hell bound heathen, you make me want to vomit ! :)

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  219. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Kea. Birds of a feather…

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  220. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    That means all the children who have died prior to that and all intellectually handicapped people get the pass into the sheep, whereas people like you and Kea would, on current performance, go into the goats.

    How did I miss this nugget of christian wisdom ?

    Not sure what to say. Even Kea is speechless.

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  221. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    @Kea. Birds of a feather…

    Is it Safe?, no your going to burn for that godless science comment.

    I am too stupid and will ” get the pass into the sheep”

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  222. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    I think the concept of original sin arose from a recognition that we are all deeply flawed. That is because…we evolved from bacteria, fish, “crocodiles”, “monkeys”. We are just a weird mix of the animals that went before. We don’t have a soul any more than a monkey or a crocodile does. Even the exhortation “Do not kill” is a social construct that would be absurd for a lion, for example.

    Dennis I’m reasonably certain you’re more self-aware than a bacteria, fish, croc or monkey and the question which religion addresses is: where did that self-awareness come from?

    See if we were all ruled by the law of the jungle then why the heck would any of us bother being kind if it weren’t in our self-interest so to do? Yet we do, as Mother Theresa exemplified by living amongst deprivation when evolutionarily speaking she would have been much more sensible to pass her time on Earth in comfort in a nunnery in NY City.

    She is but one of millions upon millions of examples.

    So the question is: why? Why subject ourselves to that if we are merely evolved creatures seeking shelter and comfort as our non-sentient fellow animals spend all their lives so doing?

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  223. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Kea. Is Johnboy on holiday or locked out?

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  224. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Not sure what to say. Even Kea is speechless.

    Excellent.

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  225. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Reid. Why does a mother rat look after her offspring? It’s different from humans?

    Did Mother Teresa find the love and admiration from her charges she missed from children?

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  226. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Why does a mother rat look after her offspring?

    Oxytocin. But how many rats look after the abandoned offspring of other rats?

    Did Mother Teresa find the love and admiration from her charges she missed from children?

    So why didn’t she stop at the first one or two she found?

    And what about the millions of other human+Beings who sacrifice their own comfort for the sake of others?

    But you’re avoiding my point Dennis. My question is: why do humans do this?

    Sure. As the world and all its cares, pleasures and fears wraps its velvet and increasing tentacles around us, less and less of us are doing this, but that’s precisely what’s predicted will be happening. And it’s going to get worse.

    But that’s not my question. My question is: why have we ever done this in the first place and why do some of us, in decreasing numbers, keep doing it?

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  227. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Dennis, not sure where Johnboy is. Maybe he got banned for not hating men enough or for “offending” a self righteous hypocrite with no reasoned argument to back up their prejudices ?

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  228. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Reid. The short answer is it makes some people feel good about themselves. Important. Gives a sense of purpose. I don’t know, but Man wasn’t always like this. Until quite recently, the Maoris used to attack other tribes and rape the women and eat the men, even keeping children alive for freshness. What you attribute to unselfish behaviour or altruism is founded mainly in self interest.

    I’m sorry Reid. I can’t even begin to see how you think. I’m monitoring a pilot site about the Glasgow Police helicopter crash and only looking in here intermittently, but I’m off to bed now. Happy landings. Thanks.

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  229. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Kea. Goodnight, droll.

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  230. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    The short answer is it makes some people feel good about themselves…What you attribute to unselfish behaviour or altruism is founded mainly in self interest.

    So as I said, why didn’t Mother Theresa to take but one of many millions of examples, not stop at helping only one or two? And if helping more and more people at the increasing detriment of one’s own material self-interest merely increases the feel-good factor, why is that? Where does that come from? It’s evolutionary heresy, isn’t it?

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  231. Kea (10,451 comments) says:

    Is it Safe, watch out for tooth fairies.

    Reid, you should probably do some more research on Anjezë Gonxhe Bojaxhiu before using her as an example of virtue.

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  232. Dennis Horne (2,059 comments) says:

    @Reid. Why do men want more than one woman? Women more than two children? Millions of cats?

    And Kea is right about your saint, I’m afraid, not that it materially alters your argument in a general sense. There is “good” and “bad” in most of us to a greater or lesser extent. Some people feel good helping people, others walk all over them. Hitler was kind to his friends and never personally killed anyone. Much of our behaviour is contradictory and you are asking for too simple an answer. ZZZzzzzzz.

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  233. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    The joys of socialism: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/power-blackout-plunges-caracas-other-cities-darkness-residents-013927447.html

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  234. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    “Did Mother Teresa find the love and admiration from her charges she missed from children?”

    Mother Teresa?

    A more evil person you would be hard pushed to find. Thousands suffered under her ‘care’, thousands suffered because of her stupid belief in the sky fairy. Mother Teresa ran an organisation that has millions of dollars in the bank, did she use any of this to alleviate the pain suffered by those in her ‘care’?…..no, she considered that the pain they where in was ‘Gods will’.

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  235. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Has the crook John Banks resigned yet?

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  236. RichardX (290 comments) says:

    Fletch (5,175 comments) says:
    December 3rd, 2013 at 7:46 pm

    You post Biblical references, I answer you with what I think they mean

    So it is your interpretation and there are many other interpretations available
    Why is what you think any more valid than other peoples thoughts on the same passages?

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  237. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Reid says…

    Satan has free will Ryan because you can’t love without free will

    And then…

    True love is not willed, it’s granted. Do you choose to love? No. It comes from somewhere you know not where. You can will yourself to feel affection, but you can’t will yourself to love.

    In the same comment!

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  238. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    A bit more comprehensively…

    Satan has free will Ryan because you can’t love without free will and the whole point of creation is creating a family of love freely given and freely received. Satan decided not to go with that because he wanted to be the head so God decided in His wisdom to allow him the opportunity to run for office amongst the family God created – us. This is our life, today.

    To recap… God didn’t create original sin, God created Satan and Satan used his free will to create original sin, which is why children are born sinful before they’ve used their free will to do anything.

    You’re either ignorantly or purposely ignoring the second part: There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt. Love is the law, love under will. True love is not willed, it’s granted. Do you choose to love? No. It comes from somewhere you know not where. You can will yourself to feel affection, but you can’t will yourself to love. This is because love comes from God. God is love. And He gives it to all of us.

    Right, so, as I just pointed out, you seem confused on whether love involves free will or whether it’s an unwilled gift from God.

    No the evidence exists, but you have to look for it and know what you’re looking at and if you’re not looking for it or don’t know what you’re looking at then it can be staring you right in the face and you still won’t see it. For example: http://www.whale.to/b/hand.html

    How is that different from saying, “You only see evidence of Satan’s existence after you start believing Satan exists”?

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