General Debate 22 February 2014

February 22nd, 2014 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Keeping Stock (10,406 comments) says:

    Has Len Brown lost the plot completely? Why would he even entertain the thought of reappointing Bevan Chuang to the Auckland council’s ethnic people’s advisory group? I wonder what Shan would say…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/has-len-brown-lost-plot.html

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  2. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    John Armstrong has piled in to David Cunliffe, but he looks around him and quotes Bill English who said that Cunliffe was not being supported by “lazy and weak” MPs.

    Nails continue to be hammered into Cunliffe’s political coffin, and he has some responsibility for his own failings, but he isn’t helped by caucus colleagues shitting in their own nest.

    Plain English – Labour MPs “lazy and weak”

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  3. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    In the kitchen with Colin

    Obviously not all women belong in the kitchen. Any gay woman worth her salt should be cooking in a well ventilated closet.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhBUWbRCMAAx5ds.jpg

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  4. srylands (414 comments) says:

    Dita De Boni: We need Govt-owned supermarkets

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11206513

    “Freedom from profit would also give the government room to enact some of its anti-obesity ideas without upsetting those who believe it is their God-given right to scull Coca-Cola, scarf pies, and ignore that “5+ a day” nonsense. You could sell fruit and vegetables without GST added..”

    I knew it would happen :-( KiwiMart. Coming to you soon.

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  5. Sidey (254 comments) says:

    PG,
    They’re not just shitting in their own nest, they are one step away from having explosive diarrhea, and someone is going to have to don the long gloves and clean it up..

    Long may it continue.

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  6. Sofia (862 comments) says:

    Mentioning explosive diarrhea, how greatly is Winston Peters going to shit himself when he finds out about Len Brown and Bevan Chuang? :-)

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  7. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    Problems at Whale Oil again this morning? Does anyone know what’s going on?

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  8. Steve (North Shore) (4,587 comments) says:

    I totally support Bevan Chuang getting that job. She is good at these things, and if appointed she can make Len’s life hell.
    Can only be good

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  9. Longknives (4,858 comments) says:

    Why wouldn’t Len rehire his Mistress? She seems just about crazy enough to polish his knob again..and he got away Scot Free with his last disgraceful dalliance at the Auckland Ratepayer’s expense!

    He must be laughing his tits off at all of us- as he sits in the Mayoral chair with his dick in his hand…

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  10. ciaron (1,441 comments) says:

    In a few hours time; it will be three years since we were violently thrown around and exited our building into chaos. The sight that greeted us was the collapsed PGC building, and the next frantic 20 minutes (seemed like hours) trying to find my friend who worked there. Fortunately he had left the building a few hours before.

    After the dust had settled, and we had power back, I saw Phil Ure had been calling me out for not replying to him. I said F**k you c**t, I’ve just been through an earthquake. I suspect this is where my 30 demerits come from.

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  11. Sofia (862 comments) says:

    The rules for the official register of MPs’ financial interests require them to declare all gifts and donations of more than $500 other than donations for an election. Those returns are due by next Friday.
    Sir Maarten Wevers, who oversees the Register of Pecuniary Interests, said the rules appeared to cover money received by the MPs in the Labour leadership primary.

    What’s good enough for John Banks …
    _____

    The manager of a Wairarapa Maori health service specialising in drug and alcohol programmes – has been convicted of drink-driving for the fifth time.

    Potential manslaughter should be a three strike crime.

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  12. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “…..Obviously not all women belong in the kitchen. Any gay woman worth her salt should be cooking in a well ventilated closet….”

    You O.k with Winston telling lies too ………as you are with Wussle doing so Pete?

    Now you have to defend Winston doing it …….or the slippery slope takes over the democratic process. What makes you think it won’t Pete?

    Where or who by, are you going to draw the line in the sand when they lie to you this election year Pete?

    Politics musn’t be that important to Pete George @ 21,228 comments….he must just instead be opinionated by nature and not give a fuck who runs the country…….or who lies to him……….talk about being bloody careless! :cool:

    C’mon Pete – give us all an opinion about yourself! :cool:

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  13. duggledog (1,582 comments) says:

    srylands

    Yes I saw that yesterday. Dita de Boni seems to have gone all Len Brown.

    Will we be using Landcorp farms to produce this Kiwifood? You know, the ones that struggle to make a profit?

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  14. Monty (980 comments) says:

    Another poll out tomorrow ( hopefully on TV 1). I’m predicting that some labour MPs will be having a BBQ. It has been an awful few weeks for labour while the Nats have not put a foot wrong. Will we see the Nats at 50% or more?

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  15. wat dabney (3,805 comments) says:

    “Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse”

    http://www.principia-scientific.org/michael-mann-faces-bankruptcy-as-his-courtroom-climate-capers-collapse.html

    This is what happens when you try to use the courts to suppress legitimate criticism of your worthless Hockeystick.

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  16. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Harriet, tsk,tsk, tsk. Why so precious about your Colin.?

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  17. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    How many eggs will Lecher Len cop this weekend? There seems to be a real upsurge in interest to show this piece of s..t what paying public of Auckland really think of him. They will think even less when they see his security numbers.
    Has the obese German slug been put on a plane yet? I shouldn’t think too many lawyers will rally around him when he is not paying accounts . . . poor Winston and Wussel won’t get any fodder for their campaigns.

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  18. peterwn (3,298 comments) says:

    Now that Winston has his own little conspiracy theories, I have mine. The Labour Party has just delivered a wooden horse into Parliament grounds with the message that Labour’s election chances are stuffed. So National MP’s, their supporters and those who do the door knocking, telephoning, putting up hoardings and removing Green Party stickers from those hoardings will put their feet up thinking that John Key merely needs to polish the studio floor with David Cunliffe and National is back in for three more years. However at the start of the campaign, a unified bunch of Labour MP’s, candidates, union officials, student activists will descend from the wooden horse and clean up. Meanwhile nine years later ….

    I wonder how many will believe my little conspiracy theory. It is not going to do any harm to believe it.

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  19. All_on_Red (1,643 comments) says:

    Srylands
    The fact that the Herald considers Dita Di Boni to be a “Business Columnist” says a lot about how the Herald views business.

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  20. iMP (2,420 comments) says:

    So, if Norman get’s away with labeling Craig sexist and homophobic, I guess the Conservatives can start quoting the Green’s agreement to support fracking and dairying around water ways. Winston does this and the media do little to support accuracy, distracted by the spectacle of bun fights and personality conflicts in politics.

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  21. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    srylands – “I knew it would happen KiwiMart. Coming to you soon.”

    I couldn’t tell if she was trying to be sarcastic. i suggest not. After all the times this has been tried overseas, and some people still think it would be a good idea.

    Yes, there are still more than enough idiots in NZ.

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  22. OneTrack (3,218 comments) says:

    “..and he got away Scot Free with his last disgraceful dalliance at the Auckland Ratepayer’s expense!”

    Not at all. Len was ……”censured”. And, of course, that is such a heavy penalty, he will never do anything wrong ever again.

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  23. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    IMP, all Craig is required to do is clearly outline his and his party views on gays and women’s rights.People like Harriet and yourself can usefully begin by restating yours.
    That’ll give us a clear idea of what Craig and the Conservatives stand for.!.

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  24. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    “how greatly is Winston Peters going to shit himself when he finds out about Len Brown and Bevan Chuang? ”

    And Winston proved himself so well stating Akld was the ‘city of sin’

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  25. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    Here’s a story for all you fascist Kiwi bloggers to chortle over on your arses

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9751156/Funeral-costs-overwhelm-widower

    A grieving widower is being forced to leave his rented flat after spending nearly all his savings on his beloved wife’s funeral.

    Ken Allen, 81, of Waikanae, looked after his sick wife Rona, 81, for 12 years before she died in November. Their only asset was $8716 in a joint account, saved for both their funerals so they would not be a burden on their family when they died.

    But Ken Allen soon discovered that was barely enough for one funeral.

    Even the modest version he chose amounted to $7367, which included the casket, service at the cemetery and a burial plot.

    So he paid Kapiti Coast Funeral Homes $5396 up front, and applied to Work & Income for a funeral grant to cover the rest

    He claimed Work & Income had “treated me like dirt”, and said: “Because they would not pay me, I had to pay the extra $1900 because there was no way I could see my wife lying down there with her funeral not being paid.

    “The poorer people, like myself, who came through the Depression, worked hard all our lives, had years we were unable to save, are not being looked after today.”

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  26. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    Iwi united in southern aims
    Maori treaty settlements in top of South Island are “awesome” opportunity for whole community to benefit from extra investment and jobs, Ngai Tahu leader says.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9750945/Iwi-united-in-southern-aims

    Sounds like Maori could be leading a hand in economic recovery

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  27. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    Stockmarket activity set to continue

    The New Zealand stock exchange expects a decent pipeline of company listings this year will build on 2013’s record market activity, which was the highest in more than a decade.

    Yesterday the NZX reported a $12.1 million profit for the year ended December 31, 2013.

    This was up 22.6 per cent on the previous year, aided by a 12.2 per cent increase in revenue to $62.8m.

    Last year 10 new companies listed, a 10-year high in initial public offering (IPO) activity, resulting in new capital of $7.5 billion.

    Of the money raised 63 per cent was attributable to the government’s mixed ownership model listings, including Mighty River Power, Meridian Energy, and the partial sell down in Air New Zealand.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9750719/Stockmarket-activity-set-to-continue

    Wouldn’t it be wiser to wait for the election before investing in the stock market. The NZX is only ramped up for the benefit of National and seducing investors back.

    I wouldn’t invest until at least 12 months after the election to ensure any partisan support doesn’t burst a bubble.

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  28. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    So, it looks like Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik has pulled one over on the mass media. When Breivik first released his “manifesto” he name-checked people like Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer et al – people who are fighting jihad, and the Islamisation of the West. At the time, the media fell over themselves in articles critical of Geller, Spencer, etc, calling them complicit in the murders committed by Breivik.

    Now it looks as though Breivik did that on purpose, pretty much admitting in a new letter that he is a neo Nazi, and using anti-Jihadists to shield himself.

    And what do we hear from the media? Complete silence…

    Breivik –

    “When dealing with media psychopaths, a good way to counter their tactics is to use double-psychology, or at least so I thought. The compendium [i.e. Breivik’s manifesto] was, among other things, of a calculated and quite cynical gateway-design (the 2+?+?=6-approach), created to strengthen the ethnocentrist wing in the contra-jihad movement, by pinning the whole thing on the anti-ethnocentrist wing (many of the leaders are pro-multiculti social democrats or liberalists), while at the same time protecting and strengthening the ethnocentrist-factions. The idea was to manipulate the MSM and others so that they would launch a witchhunt and send their media-rape-squads against our opponents. It worked quite well.”

    “I could have easily avoided excessive pathologisation by keeping the message short and by clinging to the already established ideological cliff of national socialism (its important to remember that this was at a time when all right wing radicals were labeled as nazis), but if they had been allowed to label me as a nazi, the ideological considerations and discussions would be over, and my court-speeches and propaganda performance would never be broadcasted world wide, during the trial.” [emphasis added]

    “I know a lot of people will be disappointed when reading this, but my love for Israel is limited to its future function as a deportation-port for disloyal jews.”

    Mislead the media he did, and like the fools they are, they swallowed it whole.

    http://pamelageller.com/2014/02/media-refuses-report-norway-mass-murderer-bombshell-motive.html/

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  29. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “…..all Craig is required to do is clearly outline his and his party views on gays and women’s rights…..That’ll give us a clear idea of what Craig and the Conservatives stand for….”

    Why?

    Labour and National haven’t said anything about a women’s right to euthanase a baby. Or gay rights or lbgt……z rights.

    No one knows what women’s and gay rights are Stephie boy……but you knew that didn’t you!

    Human rights allow people to talk about helping those who suffer from disease. :cool:

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  30. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    What is it with Wives and nagging?
    The lawns will get mowed befofre it rains! (is the spots on the window? eeeekkkk!)
    She cant have asked me more than 14 times and now she is pissed at me.
    Whats up with dat? :-)

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  31. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Harriet , as a Colin Craig cry baby your been very disingenuous.Its bleeding obvious what the majority in both Labour and National stand for re gay rrights .
    Does Craig and the Conservatives, as well as you, support the Gay marriage legislation.?
    Yes or No.?
    That’ll do for starters .!

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  32. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    “…. your been very disingenuous”.

    If you’re going to use big words like that, how about learning the small ones first?

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  33. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Its bleeding obvious what the majority in both Labour and National stand for re gay rrights .

    Yeah. They stand as useful idiots on the PC psychobabble bullshit bandwagon. The worst thing for the National supporters on it is, the morons are actually proud of it.

    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2001-the-twisted-motives-behind-political-correctness

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  34. Manolo (14,030 comments) says:

    More than a decade to get approval to build anything in Ludditeland. And yet, those who oppose it vow to continue the fight.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/basin-reserve-inquiry/9751858/NZTA-too-quick-on-flyover-say-critics

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  35. Manolo (14,030 comments) says:

    The joy of multiculturalism UK-style: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564678/Teenage-girl-victim-grooming-gang-raped-30-men-just-six-hours-including-father-schoolboy-son.html

    Campaigner Shaista Gohir MBE detailed abuse of the young vulnerable Asian girl in a shocking report highlighting how rife grooming was within ethnic communities.

    She claimed that sexual exploitation and grooming of young Asian girls by men of the same ethnic origins was happening under the noses of authorities – with community leaders, schools and families are all too ready to dismiss the attacks or even cover them up.

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  36. wikiriwhis business (4,115 comments) says:

    Just came back from the Len Brown protest

    Penny Bright revealed the E@Y report can not stand up to legal scrutiny in a court. It was also unsigned.

    Probably then an illegal and invalid document.

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  37. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    What were the numbers wiki?

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  38. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    The weasel’s flat out building an escape tunnel:

    ….” But for the first time, he indicated court action might be dropped if the cost dipped too heavily into campaign funds.

    “We have to make decisions between ultimately funding election campaigns or litigation,” he said. “So that’s not a small decision to make, and obviously the timing; I mean if the timing is that the case would be heard and take time out in the middle of an election campaign, those things become pretty important considerations as well.”

    Mr Craig said he would also assess whether the process of launching a defamation case might do more harm than good”…..

    Hasn’t even got the guts to guarantee that he’ll follow through with his childish threats.

    Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/9751062/Norman-scathing-as-defamation-deadline-passes

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  39. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    The joy of multiculturalism UK-style: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564678/Teenage-girl-victim-grooming-gang-raped-30-men-just-six-hours-including-father-schoolboy-son.html

    If you don’t understand what multiculturalism is

    I will tell you

    It is being implemented with only one Cynical Objective
    the destruction and eradication of European or “White Culture”
    that is basically what it is all about

    Most Sane people would embrace multiculturalism as a fair exchange between cultures but it is being implemented
    with no consideration for any culture

    Are Kiwis allowed to go on Cultural exchanges with the Cultures being imported ? No?

    Are we allowed to migrate to their Regions No? buy there with GVT assistance? Start business with assistance? No?

    If Kiwis even migrate to Aus they are treated quite badly when it comes TAXATION TIME?

    Yet somehow when nothing is reciprocated ANYWHERE we are mean to Sing the Multicultural Song
    it is a joke

    and remember anyone who DARES QUESTION MIGRATION POLICY

    IS A RACIST

    Is there are genuine Concern for all ethnic people from people who support and implement multiculturalism? No Not really?

    If you do not believe me

    READ
    http://racetraitor.org/abolish.html

    http://racetraitor.org/abolish.html

    It is not being done properly it is not being done honestly
    and worse it is not being done in the interests of anyone except a few

    It is going to be a Massive Disaster

    Not because there is anything wrong with us all sitting around the Campfire and Singing Kumbaya
    but the objective is actually

    The Opposite

    Oddly though white people are continually branded by the Media as Racists (Which they are not)

    it is other Cultures Racist Agendas that will make Multiculturalism Fail

    or are Making Multiculturalism Fail

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  40. stephieboy (3,379 comments) says:

    Calendar girl , thank you for the correction .It should be “being” and not “been” ( as “being” an entity , apart of something as opposed to I’ve “been” there etc). You might have a useful future role as our resident grammar and spelling Gestapo officer.
    Manolo, you seem to be rather obsessed about multiculturalism.There is obviously a lot you loath about it but what are some of it’s features you enjoy.?
    Let’s say a white boy and a black girl walking hand in hand.? Or does that make you want to throw up.?

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  41. calendar girl (1,261 comments) says:

    stephie: That’s only half of it. The other part in the same phrase is “your” should have been “you’re”. If you are going to call people abusive names, at least do it a little elegantly.

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  42. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Top marks to those who protested against Lecher Len Brown . . . keep up the good work, it is much appreciated by those of us unable to participate. Is there a fund being set up to offset any costs involved in exposing this charlatan?

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  43. ChardonnayGuy (1,211 comments) says:

    Apparently, President Obama has just lost a wager with Canadian PM Stephen Harper over the outcome of Canadian-US ice hockey competition at the Sochi Olympics. The president now owes the prime minister some premium beer as a result. I wonder if someone can talk Key into doing likewise at the next Bledisloe Cup with Tony Abbott? Or other sporting competition at which we’d thrash the Aussies?

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  44. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Ciaron:

    I suspect this is where my 30 demerits come from.

    No – you got them on this thread back in July 2011.

    Philu did have a major meltdown around the time of the earthquake though – see here. And, having looked at his comments the previous day, he deserved each and every one of the demerits he received.

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  45. Manolo (14,030 comments) says:

    Let’s say a white boy and a black girl walking hand in hand.? Or does that make you want to throw up?

    Why would it? You are wrong (again.)

    The problem are the excesses of those who want to impose the laws of primitive lands on the Western societies they have chosen to emigrate to.

    I find difficult to believe that a progressive like yourself, a keen pupil of Feminist Studies can support such barbaric acts and traditions. Acceptable in Pakistan or Afghanistan maybe, not in the civilised world.

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  46. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Manolo, you seem to be rather obsessed about multiculturalism.There is obviously a lot you loath about it but what are some of it’s features you enjoy.? Let’s say a white boy and a black girl walking hand in hand.? Or does that make you want to throw up.?

    stephie you want to improve your analysis of possible explanations of why people say what they do, when you try to project it onto someone you’ve never met. Lots of people do this but I rarely see them even touch on what IMO might be the most probable explanation. But you constantly demonstrate that you’re as far away from it as its possible to be. In that sense you’re like Pete George who’s one of the worst I’ve ever seen and who amusingly clearly thinks he’s quite good at it.

    Politics is about understanding human behaviour and analysing the real motives behind what people do and say and a lot of your analysis should be focused as much on what they don’t do and say as it is in what they do.

    As a start, here’s an interesting video on body language used by politicians, it’s quite telling.

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  47. ShawnLH (5,661 comments) says:

    Ukraine’s priests provide protest inspiration, key link to pre-Soviet era.

    “They stand defiant before shield-wielding riot police, clutching gilded crosses and inspiring the freedom-seeking masses in Kiev’s Independence Square.

    But the clergy of Ukraine are more than leaders of the protest that threatens to split the nation’s troubled alliance with Russia. They are a link to Ukraine’s historical independence, before the Russian Revolution led to the Soviet occupation that lasted until 1991 but still hovers above like a dark cloud. Amid the escalating violence, priests have been seen defying police, leading civilians safely past them and performing last rites on those killed in the clashes.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/21/ukraine-priests-provide-protest-inspiration-proud-link-to-pre-soviet-era/?intcmp=latestnews

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  48. ShawnLH (5,661 comments) says:

    Multiculturalism is about culture, not race. I oppose the academic Frankfurt School understanding of multiculturalism because it has as it’s primary agenda the weakening of Western civilization. But being opposed to this ideology does not mean caring at all about race. I’m mixed blood myself, and primarily not white.

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  49. Rowan (2,520 comments) says:

    3 years since that day of hell in what was our once beautiful city, we remember the 185 unfortunate souls who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and are no longer with us. Eventually this mess will be cleaned up and we will again have a new rebuilt beautiful city, but we still have quite a long way to go.

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  50. Odakyu-sen (732 comments) says:

    Bendover notes: “It is being implemented with only one Cynical Objective
    the destruction and eradication of European or “White Culture”

    Why on earth would Europe go along with a program to destroy Europe? It doesn’t make sense. Who would gain from such a scheme?

    And don’t let those cute n’ cuddly Caucasians fool you. They have produced some of the most efficient killers in history.

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  51. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Why on earth would Europe go along with a program to destroy Europe? It doesn’t make sense. Who would gain from such a scheme?

    ordo ab chao – out of chaos comes order.

    It takes awhile to understand it, but it’s the only thing that explains why for decades politicians ON BOTH SIDES throughout the EU have CONTINUALLY ignored the people who elect them and whom they purport to be acting in the bests interests of, with respect to immigration.

    The western world is being setup for a war against Islam. That’s their objective.

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  52. muggins (3,800 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9751156/Funeral-costs-overwhelm-widower

    What I can’t understand is what this bloke has done with the money he must have earned over the years.
    Most people around his age [ and I am only a couple of years younger] should have saved much more than enough to pay for their funeral.
    And what’s the depression got to do with anything. By the time he was born the depression years were almost over. He should have started work around 1949 , there was virtually no unemployment back then. By the time he retired he should have owned a house freehold and had quite a few thousand saved up, much more than enough to pay for a couple of funerals.

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  53. MT_Tinman (3,250 comments) says:

    Muggins, the column tells you.

    The poorer people, like myself, who came through the Depression,

    He is 81, i.e born in 1933.

    He saw the depression past his mother’s tit at best. WWII past him by.

    He worked through the post war years of full employment (if he worked), kids given free milk (and sometimes apples), wife given child allowance, 3% State Advance loans for houses, price controls and subsidies on milk, bread and some other staples.

    My bet is he is/was a unionised wastrel, pissing good money against the wall while others got ahead.

    Now he’s simply a lying whinger.

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  54. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    Reid

    ….”The western world is being setup for a war against Islam. That’s their objective.”….

    In the absence of any other sane explanation I don’t disagree with you. What I would like to know is why & what is to be gained. Unless the outcome is assured such a war would carry a risk of a magnitude beyond comprehension.

    What is the stake that could possibly make such a conflagration worth the risk?

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  55. goldnkiwi (1,513 comments) says:

    Depression? Charlotte Dawson, fatal. Cyber bullying wouldn’t have helped RIP.

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  56. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    What is the stake that could possibly make such a conflagration worth the risk?

    “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

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  57. Nostradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Greg Presland watches a Key Derangement Syndrome video while he masturbates over at The Standard:

    Something the media has not commented on yet but before it is published it has to be submitted to the relevant Minister who has the power to withhold information contained in the report. Key’s office must have given active consideration to the report before it was published. The report also has to be delivered to him “as soon as practicable after June 30″ so it has been sitting on someone’s desk for quite a while.

    You have to wonder at how such a silly series of mistakes could be made. And you have to wonder how the Minister in charge, John Key, could have allowed the report to be completed with such a series of basic mistakes.

    And in the comments:

    mickysavage
    21 February 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Thanks Veuto that is very helpful. It will be interesting to find out where the mistakes were picked up on and I agree that it looks like the GCSB itself discovered the mistake. Makes you wonder what attention the MP’s office gave to it and I would be surprised if they did not do something as basic as check on the number of warrants issued.

    I cannot imagine Helen ever making this sort of mistake.

    Will we see headlines claiming that Key has misled Parliament?

    Seriously, for a guy who is supposedly a practising lawyer, Greg appears to lack good judgment.

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  58. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    Reid

    Googling “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences” led me to this site…. http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

    If this letter was actually composed in 1871 as stated the author would beat Nostradamus at predicting the future. At least it’s not written in riddles.

    I’ll keep reading.

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  59. thedavincimode (6,869 comments) says:

    Nostradamus

    A pretty good indication their anguish and desperation as the polls keep going bad for them. No doubt they expect Ryall’s office to double-check the count of the number of hip operations, the add up of bandages on hand at year end. Tolley’s office to check the adds on the number of arrests, add up the annual leave so that they get the holiday pay right. And so on and so on. Just like their darling Klerk did. :roll:

    It’s not hard to see why Cunners is heading south when he’s got sycophantic fuckwits like this polishing his nob and running the cheerleading department while they eke out their embittered lives in a permanent state of denial.

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  60. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    nasska there’s a lot of argument as to whether he wrote it, just as there is about whether 911 was really accomplished by a guy sitting in a cave in Afghanistan.

    Personally I ignore most of the argument and focus on: does it explain the world as we are seeing it and as we have seen it?

    And if it does, I follow it down the rabbit hole and if it doesn’t, I don’t.

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  61. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    When is the next major poll published?

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  62. RF (1,446 comments) says:

    Jesus the lefty bloggers who frequent the standard have a serious problem with the elephant in the room. During the last 2 days no mention of the polls or The silent T self destructing. Reminds me of whistling in the dark and being well out of tune. Even Presland is walking on eggshells and playing it very safe. Could be that his dreams of power with his godfather are going up in smoke or down the gurgler.

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  63. Colville (2,298 comments) says:

    RF.

    His godfather?

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  64. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    An example of: does this explain the world as we see it?

    http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/study-monsantos-roundup-causes-gluten-intolerance/

    Not that you’ll hear the media talking about it or see the universities funding studies into it.

    But back in the 1980’s, who ever heard of gluten intolerance?

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  65. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Reid,

    It won’t be roundup, it’ll be the new hybridised wheat which is even less digestible that the old stuff.

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  66. RF (1,446 comments) says:

    Colville. 6.20pm. Yes. Mickey Presland crawls around after the Don also known as the silent t. Sort of Blackadder and Baldrick thing.

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  67. stigie (1,310 comments) says:

    Funny how they only mention the good polls that suit them over at the Strandard !~

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  68. Viking2 (11,553 comments) says:

    Auckland Mayor Len Brown is not ruling out reappointing his former mistress Bevan Chuang to the council’s ethnic peoples advisory panel.

    The Hong Kong-born Ms Chuang has reapplied for a position on the panel – a role that led to a two-year affair with Mr Brown during the last term of council.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11207479

    oh dear.

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  69. Reid (16,632 comments) says:

    It won’t be roundup, it’ll be the new hybridised wheat which is even less digestible that the old stuff.

    Maybe or maybe not Lucia, but is it a weakened digestive system or is it the food source? And if it’s the latter then how come most of us tolerate it?

    I’m not pretending I have the answer to that particular question, it’s just an example of a wisp tendril that one interested might care to follow.

    In years to come it may bypass the mainstream even as the disorder develops, because of the vested interests that operate. That’s all it is. Because can you imagine the public liability suits that would eventuate in the US and Canada if this wisp turned substantive?

    And I only gave it not because I’m interested in it since I’m not a sufferer, but because that’s how the sort of research I do into geopolitics starts, which is what nasska was asking about.

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  70. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    “….But back in the 1980′s, who ever heard of gluten intolerance?…”

    You’ll probably find Reid that the figures for gluten intolerance are the same as they were in the 80’s, as people who are truly intolerant cannot eat most ‘common products’ that are premade and sold in supermarkets, packet soup, chips, biscuits, cake, cereals ect.

    I worked in the food industry for years and the most common thing people use to say was “I don’t want this with my meal as I don’t like it.” Friends who still work in the industry now tell me that customers tell them “….as I’m allergic to it.” – and most are WOMEN!

    Does gluten intolerance mostly only effect women? I wouldn’t think so. Instead it’s the healthy eating diet thing, done by people who must be seen to be eating ‘perfectly’ at all times. The media don’t help.

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  71. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    ….”The Hong Kong-born Ms Chuang has reapplied for a position on the panel”…..

    Just as they finally get the cum stains out of the furniture in the Mayoral chambers & now this. :)

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  72. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Harriet,

    Women are more sensitive to what goes on in their bodies. This I have worked out from years of dealing with my husband, sons and brothers, all of whom cannot give an accurate breakdown of what is wrong with them when they feel sick, or what might have caused it.

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  73. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Ah, but *do* most of us tolerate it? I don’t think there’s been much if any research on what effect wheat has on our bodies. I know I can eat some of it, but have too much and I get brain fog, leg cramps and depression. That’s just what I’ve noticed on myself through years of eating it on and off, and trying to decide if I was a hypochondriac or not.

    Besides, I like Roundup. It’s a very effective weed killer and it’s supposed to breakdown harmlessly into the soil. If I had to believe that Roundup was evil, I don’t know what I would do. I don’t want to have to weed the areas I spray by hand. Just too much work!

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  74. goldnkiwi (1,513 comments) says:

    Why should she be discriminated against for selection. It is only selection. Sounds like she was good at her job.

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  75. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    A tourist wanders into a back alley antique shop in Wellington’s Cuba St. Picking through the objects on display he discovers a detailed, life-sized bronze sculpture of a rat. The sculpture is so interesting and unique that he picks it up and asks the shop owner what it costs.

    “Twelve dollars for the rat, sir,” says the shop owner, “and a thousand dollars more for the story behind it.”

    “You can keep the story, old man,” he replies, “but I’ll take the rat.”

    The transaction complete, the tourist leaves the store with the bronze rat under his arm. As he crosses the street in front of the store, two live rats emerge from a sewer drain and fall into step behind him. Nervously looking over his shoulder, he begins to walk faster, but every time he passes another sewer drain, more rats come out and follow him. By the time he’s walked two blocks, at least a hundred rats are at his heels, and people begin to point and shout. He walks even faster, and soon breaks into a trot as multitudes of rats swarm from sewers, basements, vacant shops, and abandoned cars. Rats by the thousands are at his heels, and as he sees the waterfront at the end of the street, he panics and starts to run full tilt.

    No matter how fast he runs, the rats keep up, squealing hideously, now not just thousands but millions, so that by the time he comes rushing up to the entrance to the wharf a trail of rats four city blocks long is behind him. Making a mighty leap, he jumps up onto a lamp post, grasping it with one arm while he hurls the bronze rat into Wellington Harbour with the other, as far as he can heave it. Pulling his legs up and clinging to the post, he watches in amazement as the seething tide of rats surges over the edge of the wharf into the sea, where they drown.

    Shaken and mumbling, he makes his way back to the antique shop.

    “Ah, so you’ve come back for the rest of the story,” says the owner.

    “No,” says the tourist, “I was wondering if you have a bronze public servant.”

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  76. Harriet (5,118 comments) says:

    Yes I agree with all of that Lucia. My wife is the same.
    I was just stating what is now said by customers in resturants. My daughter who is 20 is one who questions if ‘gluten is bad for you’ as she hears this being said all the time. She likes to be healthy and fit but is susceptable to the wrong information being passed around by people her age. She questions a lot of foods, mostly be hearing from other young people about them. As far as I know gluten isn’t ‘bad food’ but I also know that there are people who after a lifetime of eating bread in normal quantities ect do become intolerant to gluten. Some are also born that way.

    I cut down on salt in the belief that it was good for me because so many foods contain “too much salt” but started getting cramps, my doctor told me to up my salt intake as QLD is hot and that you sweat more and this will cause cramps if you don’t have a reasonable salt intake. I now tend to stick with what the health professionals say and not listen to just any ‘nutritionist’ or ‘fitness trainer’ on breakfast tv. Cheers Lucia.

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  77. SPC (5,770 comments) says:

    Mass food allergy outbreak in Dunedin where the Blues come down with brain fog. Sack the team nutritionist.

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  78. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    A friend invited me to a house warming. I asked if I should bring anything. He said bring a heater.

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  79. publicwatchdog (2,797 comments) says:

    FYI

    PENNY BRIGHT says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    FEBRUARY 22, 2014 AT 11:46 PM

    TESTING…..

    Am I able to make comments on your blog Martyn Bradbury – to reply to comments you make about me – or have you still banned me because you didn’t agree that I should stand against John Minto from Mana (at a time you were being paid as a consultant for Mana?)

    Penny Bright

    – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/02/22/ive-seen-better-attended-chem-trail-protests-than-this-down-with-len-brown-march/#comment-192250

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  80. Ben Dover (526 comments) says:

    ethnic peoples advisory panel.

    is there are
    new zealand peoples advisory panel?

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