The defence of the Mana Dotcom deal

March 25th, 2014 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

is Hone Harawira’s press secretary. He has facebooked:

Guys, MANA DOTCOM!
Ok so we would be helping a fat white rich prick with a bunch of money, but it would obviously help MANA to! I’m not picking a side, just wanna be clear! The parties would not merge, we would share a list, and guaranteed MANA would have the top spots to start! If we did it, the difference could be 2 or 3 MANA MPs, and we remain our own party! It’s not all doom and gloom ! Could be the difference of having say John Minto and Te Hamua Shane Nikora in the House! Didn’t mention Annette Sykes cause she will already be there  Doesn’t sound that bad when you look at it like that aye?

His commenters are less keen:

  •  I have a lot of respect for Hone and the . That would vanish instantly if this loony idea came to fruition. It’s also not really keeping within the spirit of MMP.
  • Mana will come off as looking very desperate. Sad really.
  • You have got to be kidding!
  • It sounds bad to me.
  • Dont do it… please hes another john keys but worse… hmble your guys self and partner up wif maori you go to dotcom im out sori bt ur party would b his bitch seen it to many times.. better to lose honourably than to win disgracefully

Will Hone listen to the activists or his chief blogging advisor?

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54 Responses to “The defence of the Mana Dotcom deal”

  1. big bruv (14,114 comments) says:

    This Jevan Goulter?

    http://wonderfulnow.blogspot.co.nz/2010/09/dont-vote-for-me-for-mayor-jevan.html

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  2. dog_eat_dog (788 comments) says:

    Oh God, Jevan Goulter. The same one that is all buddy buddy with the Tamaki family who fleece Pasifiki families for millions each year is also involved with Mana? You can’t make this shit up.

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  3. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    The fat slug should not be here. Come on PM, this has gone too far; he is interfering in the running of our country and nothing is being done about it. He has a extradition order awaiting execution . . . he is undermining government, justice and decency. He appeals to the shit of society, not even paying creditors. Get him out NOW!

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  4. Exclamation Mark (86 comments) says:

    WOW! The Press Secretary for MANA! Writes like an excited teenager texting his friends!

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  5. Mobile Michael (458 comments) says:

    He’ll listen to the money. It seems to be what Hone’s interested in from Herr Schmitz.

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  6. jp_1983 (225 comments) says:

    Annette Sykes in power, will advance the long march to apartheid quicker than a movie downloaded from a Megadotcon server

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  7. Keeping Stock (10,397 comments) says:

    Jevan Goulter is Hone Harawira’s press secretary? Does he still hide in bushes and try to serve court summonses on young children?

    He and Harawira deserve one another, but the guy has issues.

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  8. Manolo (14,018 comments) says:

    Hone is an unscrupulous man who would sell Titiwhai for a low sum.

    I expect the crook Mana MP to forge an alliance with the obese German because the money is beyond his wildest dreams.

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  9. fernglas (167 comments) says:

    Why does everyone think Dotcom is going to have money to spend? Shouldn’t it all be under restraint in terms of the orders made by the Court?

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  10. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    Billionaire German Internet tycoons fully understand the issues with Maori people in NZ. Really they do !

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  11. chris (647 comments) says:

    How do you share a list, but be two separate political parties and therefore use the coat-tails provision? I am aware the Alliance were effectively a group of parties, but they were all Alliance candidates with an Alliance list. Surely it would have to be presented as the Mana Internet Party with 500 registered party members, and not Mana with 500 and IP with 500? Can someone confirm.

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  12. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    What I find quite amusing is how Dotcom plays the victim and blames John Key for all his woes, like the raid wouldn’t have happened if Labour were in office… yeah right !

    Playing the “it’s all about nasty John Key” card does however seem to be striking a chord with other groups who, through their own choices, also hate having a government in place that isn’t all about handouts.

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  13. Psycho Milt (2,419 comments) says:

    …but it would obviously help MANA to!

    Help Mana to what? you left out a word or clause there, Jevan.

    Doesn’t sound that bad when you look at it like that aye?

    Like what aye? Commas (or the lack of them, in this case) can alter the meaning of sentences. Also, ‘aye’ is pronounced the same as ‘I’ or ‘eye’ and means “Yes,” as in “Aye Aye, Captain” or “The ayes have it.” It’s meaningless in this context. I think you’re looking for the slang word “eh.”

    So, you’re a press secretary, you say? A person who writes for a living, apparently? Odd.

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  14. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt

    He’s probably a lefty academic type trying to be hip with the youngsters in a bid to appeal to the anti John Key meme.

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  15. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    The contortions of a lefty…

    John Key is nasty, he once speculated on NZ currency and he made millions…. Dotcom, oh forget about his insider trading and piracy charges, that’s just the nasty Hollywood types picking on a tall poppy….

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  16. CryHavoc (46 comments) says:

    I always find it instructive that the people who are the most anti-“John Keys” have the least familiar relationship with the English language

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  17. coge (190 comments) says:

    The no mana party.

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  18. NK (1,253 comments) says:

    Left wing politicians ALWAYS think the ends justifies the means. The Green terrorists are like this: they go around damaging private property because they think their ends justifies it. Never forget that: they ALWAYS think the ends justifies the means.

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  19. rouppe (980 comments) says:

    Amazing how many people still say his name is “John Keys”. Ignorant? Stupid?

    And why would Dotcom let Mana have all the top list spots? He’s just going to throw in money and take what are not guaranteed spots on the list? Don’t think so

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  20. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    rouppe

    If those above you on the list can stop you being deported – then you put them first !

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  21. Simon (757 comments) says:

    Dot com is about to colonise the Mana party.

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  22. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    Simon

    No, Mana will sell out then a few years later claim their ‘Mana’ was stolen ( not sold out !)

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  23. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    Is this the same Goulter that ran away from hope as a gay 14 year old boy, came to Wellington, hung around (and maybe live with?) various Labour MPs including Chris Carter, then dished a lot of dirt on them to the media?

    At least he is probably 18 year old by now. But I’m scratching my head wondering why anyone would hire him for a responsible job like press secretary.

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  24. Nostalgia-NZ (5,268 comments) says:

    A lot of positive support from the knitting circles. A double positive spin is that Mr DC could double as a waka at a push or a paddle.

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  25. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    And seriously, is this the first ever coalition negotiations that have started with a declaration that the founder of one of the parties is a “fat white rich prick”?

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  26. Sir Cullen's Sidekick (894 comments) says:

    John Minto in parliament!! Time for NZ to disband as a nation and join Australia.

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  27. rouppe (980 comments) says:

    burt

    Isn’t the whole point that he has to be a Member of Parliament to avoid extradition? If its just being the leader of a political party then it would be easy to buy 500 mates to satisfy the membership requirement, and he wouldn’t need Hone or anyone else.

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  28. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    Hone Harawira is a political prostitute. He will sleep with anyone for money. The only problem is the fat German will sleep with him but despite the bling has no actual money to pay.
    This is the desperation of the Left. They have a wet dream of getting $1,000,000 from Crim Dot Con and having 4 Mana MP’s 16 Greens and 34 Labour and 8 NZF forming a Socialist Government of Aotearoa for the next three years, forcing through changes to electoral law and staying in power indefinitely. Their first act of course would be to stop the extradition of their ‘client’.

    This is the nightmare scenario for New Zealand on September 20th. Ask yourself -what would I not do to stop this tragedy?
    That is why I will work to get National a record 51% in September. Then it does not matter what dirty tricky deals the Left tries to do.

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  29. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    rouppe

    Being a member of parliament won’t save him as such. He needs a “justice minister” to save him. Mind you it would seem his best option might be to join the Labour party. As long as he never threatens to stand as an independent – he’ll never need to stand in court again – Move on !

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  30. tvb (4,487 comments) says:

    Money talks that is for sure. But KDC has no spare money as it is under a restraining order or should be. He cannot pay his creditors so how can he fund Hone. The prospect of this lot in power is enough for middle NZ to avoid Labour. And John Key is easy to support for middle road voters who pay their bill on time who look after their kids who mow their lawns and respect the law. Labour had their share of these people too but they will lose them to National.

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  31. dirty harry (512 comments) says:

    SCS @8.55..the first bit of common sense ever from your keyboard.

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  32. nasska (11,753 comments) says:

    The Coalition from Hell wouldn’t have to change any laws to keep their benefactor out of the clutches of the Hollywood moguls.

    There’s already a seldom used provision for the Minister to override a Court ordered extradition & then they can make him an ambassador to some newly created post. With a diplomatic passport he can’t be touched.

    It would be disastrous for NZ’s overseas reputation but no socialist with their eyes on the Treasury benches would give it a second thought.

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  33. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    I suspect the promise to pay Hone a million bucks is as serious as Dotcom’s promises to develop another fiber optic cable to Australia, to fund Team NZ, or to pay his creditors and bodyguards. These things come a distant second to funding his party lifestyle, playing at being a musician, or buying Bradbury a new iMac.

    Some months ago, the free Wellington paper that comes out on a Thursday and Friday had an opinion piece by someone called Gordon Campbell. Campbell’s position is that NZ couldn’t afford to extradite Dotcom since Dotcom was going to build the submarine cable. I was absolutely astonished that an adult could imagine it was ever a realistic prospect. He certainly isn’t the most gullible Dotcom booster in the media… Fisher and Thompson hold that position. But I would have expected a journalist would have at least the tiniest modicum of ability to distinguish reality from fantasy.

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  34. RRM (9,998 comments) says:

    Ok so we would be helping a fat white rich prick with a bunch of money, but it would obviously help MANA to!

    Classy.

    Mr Dotcom will be really impressed if he reads that.

    What a little maggot that Jevan thing is. About as much professionalism as the scum he’s trying to rouse.

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  35. iMP (2,413 comments) says:

    “Hello, Colin?…this is John, calling from China. Please, please, please, can we have a coffee?”

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  36. Nostalgia-NZ (5,268 comments) says:

    Interesting how so many ‘know’ the DC has ‘no’ money. Oh, that’s right we had a claim about hourly rates of pay and another about creditors who worked on the mansion but with no clear information that it was DC personally who was the debtor. For a more general view I like the comments by Bryan Edwards yesterday about the possible transition of DC in the public mind, he seemed to sum it up well that the over eagerness to ingratiate himself (DC) with the public had, or was, wearing thin. If that’s true, then DC may have exposed that generally Kiwis will give others ago, especially if they are hard working family types who look like they are getting a rough deal – but not by ‘buying’ support or over egging things to the point they become too obviously manipulation and irritating to boot.

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  37. Keeping Stock (10,397 comments) says:

    @ burt (7.43am) – Hamish Jevan Goulter is barely literate, but he spins a good yarn.

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  38. Cunningham (845 comments) says:

    “Ok so we would be helping a fat white rich prick with a bunch of money” and this is their press secretary?? No wonder maori are being held back when they have people like this (and Hone) working for their cause.

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  39. ShawnLH (5,607 comments) says:

    MInto might be hungry for power (God help us) but I really can’t see him backing this deal. I hope it goes forward though as it will be the end of HH’s time in Parliament.

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  40. iMP (2,413 comments) says:

    Kimmy Dotcon to Hone/Mana. TXT. “HarpieWira, get rid that thin Maori press prick with the gay name..or else!”

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  41. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Te Tiriti o Coatesville?

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  42. Rich Prick (1,719 comments) says:

    Isn’t Goulter the former Labour Party flunkie who was convinced half of Helen Clark’s caucus was after him for gay sex? If so, he hasn’t matured much.

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  43. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    Who cares whether Harawira and DotCom cosy up. Doesn’t improve the credibility of either group both of whom are irrelevant to the NZ political landscape.

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  44. nadir (98 comments) says:

    http://www.gayexpress.co.nz/2012/07/jevans-new-leaf/

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  45. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    From the story linked by nadir above:

    When you start to work with different kinds of people who believe things you’ve never thought about and fight for causes you’ve never considered, it’s humbling

    Okay, I’ve been critical of politicians hiring staff based not on competence and experience but on their blind adherence to ideology.

    But Harawira, one of the most ideologically-driven MPs in Parliament, hires someone who not only has zero experience as a journalist or comms practitioner but who’s never given a moments thought to the issues Mana was formed around?!

    I wonder how Bradford, Minto and others who – agree with them or not – have spent a lifetime not only thinking about but fighting for their beliefs, feel about their mouthpiece being so vacuuous?

    And I also wonder just what qualities prompted Harawira to hire such a person…

    In contrast, Dotcom has managed to attract people of the calibre of Jim Tucker & Graeme Edgeler. If the two parties do reach an accord, the joint strategy meetings should be hilarious, especially as Jevan seems to think Mana will take the lead and set the agenda.

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  46. Alan (1,087 comments) says:

    You can tell how screwed this situation is when Sue Bradford is the calm voice of reason.

    “He tried to make a go of it by buying the Right – people like John Banks. That didn’t work out for him and now he seems to be making a go of buying the Left and I think that’s just going to end in tears as well.”

    Ms Bradford said some within Mana were looking for a shortcut to build the party, “but there aren’t any shortcuts to building a credible party or movement”.

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  47. MT_Tinman (3,246 comments) says:

    Press secretary?

    There is a post a couple above headed Reoffending Down.

    If, as I suspect, this clown is being paid with my money I am serious and once again offended.

    Maybe DPF should rethink that heading ;-)

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  48. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    Alan

    All Dotcom needs is a PM like Helen Clark. Somebody so hell bent on getting into (or staying in) power that they are prepared to put parliament into urgency to kill off a standing court case to save their own ass. (or the ass of the person funding them).

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  49. burt (8,293 comments) says:

    In other news…. Labour, The Green’s and Mana seem to have suddenly stopped calling for public funding of political parties ….

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  50. tvb (4,487 comments) says:

    As they say follow the money. I am amazed, quite amazed what NZ politicians will do for money. The left think they are bullet proof when it comes to sources of money no matter how tainted.

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  51. davidp (3,587 comments) says:

    Nostalgia-NZ>Interesting how so many ‘know’ the DC has ‘no’ money.

    He never had money. Dotcom’s modus operandi for a long time is to employ contractors to work on his ventures, then refuse to pay them. The money he made would fund his party lifestyle and his legal bills. He employed this strategy when he got started in Germany, and he’s employing it today. There was never a pot of money. But claiming that he was rich was part of the confidence trick.

    It is the same as dodgy property developers driving around town in a Ferrari. The Ferrari makes the gullible think that the developer is rich and therefore successful. Next thing you know, they’re bankrupt and it turns out they owe their subbies millions of bucks. Maybe Terry Serepisos could summon Labour, Green, Mana, and NZ First MPs to his place and offer to fund their parties?

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  52. J Bloggs (248 comments) says:

    This is how he’s going to pay for it all

    Mega poised for $210m backdoor NZX listing

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11225952

    Maybe he could pay his bills with the proceeds while he’s at it….

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  53. holysheet (417 comments) says:

    Alan said
    “You can tell how screwed this situation is when Sue Bradford is the calm voice of reason”.

    This has to be the best comment I have ever read here on kiwiblog.

    Nice one Alan

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  54. goldnkiwi (1,499 comments) says:

    Psycho Milt (1,927 comments) says:

    March 25th, 2014 at 7:42 am

    I read it as too.

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