Cunliffe sorry for being a man

July 4th, 2014 at 5:53 pm by David Farrar

I don’t think you could make this up. The Herald reports:

Labour leader says he’s sorry that he’s a man because men commit most family violence.

He told a Women’s Refuge forum in Auckland today that Labour would put an extra $15 million a year into refuges and other groups supporting the victims of family violence. But he started his speech with an apology.

“Can I begin by saying I’m sorry,” he said.

“I don’t often say it. I’m sorry for being a man right now, because family and sexual violence is perpetrated overwhelmingly by men against women and children.

I look forward to David Cunliffe also apologising on Waitangi Day for being a European, and apologising on World Poverty day for living in a leafy suburb and being rich …

Mr Key said he was not sorry for being a man, saying “It’s a pretty silly comment from David Cunliffe”.

“The problem isn’t being a man, the problem is if you’re an abusive man. I think it’s a bit insulting to imply that all men are abusive.

Indeed.

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136 Responses to “Cunliffe sorry for being a man”

  1. stigie (1,176 comments) says:

    Silent T saying he is sorry to the Women’s Refuge for being a man. What a complete tosser this man is !`

    Would he do the same down at his local rugby club rooms ? I think not.

    And to think this man wants to run the country….God fucking help us !!

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  2. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Key could have and should have gone at Cun*liffe a lot harder for this insult to Men.

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  3. smttc (752 comments) says:

    He’s gonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne.

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  4. smttc (752 comments) says:

    Getting a fair old kicking over at Stuff. 200 plus comments and counting.

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  5. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    Either:
    1. He was sucking up to the audience and being disingenuous about being sorry for being a man; or
    2. He truly believes that all men are domestic violence perpetrators / supporters.

    Next he will be apologising to red heads for being a brunette and to Maoris for being European.

    Being tongue in cheek, maybe there is a bit of his own self-reflection escaping his lips.

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  6. freemark (580 comments) says:

    He should say sorry for being an incompetent, lying trougher.
    He should say sorry for perpetuating a hand-out, no responsibility culture that is slowly destroying the fabric of the country, mainly it’s children.
    He should say sorry for being knee deep in the Pledgegate scandal.
    He should say sorry for inciting class & race hatred.
    He’s a sorry, sorry man, after all.

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  7. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Silent T goes from one fuck-up to another. The Chardonnay socialist is hopeless.

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  8. nasska (11,493 comments) says:

    He’s done it…..the Sisterhood will be nailing his balls & scrotum to the trophy board at their clubrooms tonight. :)

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  9. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    He is sorry for being a man?

    Never heard anybody accusing him of being one…..

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  10. jonnycomelately (19 comments) says:

    One word springs to mind: obsequious. For f**ks sake I thought he was going to cry!

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  11. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    Is it too trite to say Cunliffe is a gift to National that just keeps on giving. A worn out an overused saying to be sure but oh so true when it comes to Cunliffe

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  12. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    There are now 485 comments under the Stuff story about the apology. When I blogged on it around 3pm there were 164. But amazingly for Stuff, the comments are tearing Cunliffe apart, limb by limb (metaphorically speaking, of course). When even the Stuff readership has turned on Cunliffe, he has a major problem. I’ve grabbed a selection of the reader comments, but they keep on coming!

    I expected the start of Labour’s election-year congress today to be overshadowed by some kind of negative story. I didn’t expect the leader of the Labour Party to become the negative story himself. David Cunliffe has had a shocker.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/comments-of-day-4-july-2014.html

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  13. dad4justice (8,222 comments) says:

    haha what a wimp. What a disgrace to the average kiwi bloke who doesn’t bash the crap out of women. I am ashamed that this pathetic prick lives in the same country as I do. How could any sane person think this smarmy creep is able to run a country is beyond comprehension. Does Aunty Helen still pull his strings? Anybody who votes Liarbore must be a homo, a girlyman or mentally deranged.

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  14. Left Right and Centre (2,979 comments) says:

    All I caught as I turned the news on was ‘I don’t often say it. I’m sorry for being a man right now,’

    My mind’s Google first result best match as I listened to that sentence was ‘Cunliffe giving up party leadership’.

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  15. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    So like are all the male lefty trolls who frequent KB going to apologize for being men as well?

    Come… lets hear the self loathing oozing forth.

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  16. SHG (316 comments) says:

    Cunliffe always says what he thinks the audience he’s in front of wants to hear, in the way that he thinks they want to hear it.

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  17. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    There are now 485 comments under the Stuff story about the apology.
    =====
    Could help explain labours lack of popularity. They live in rarefied air, out of touch surrounded by Lprent types and Feminazi.

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  18. Tinshed (170 comments) says:

    It takes a person with a mammoth ego to take a serious issue and make it all about *him*, and an even more incompetent and inept politician to do so in such a stupid, ill-considered manner. Such is David Cunliffe.

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  19. kowtow (8,468 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is a sorry excuse of a man.

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  20. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    You little ripper!

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  21. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Here’s on for Cunliffe

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  22. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    http://www.hark.com/clips/lhyzvnhdtt-you-utter-creep

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  23. wreck1080 (3,912 comments) says:

    OK cunny you pathetic softy, hand in your man card at the door and book in that tackle removal surgery. You don’t deserve to be a man.

    Why on earth should an innocent person apologize for sins of others based on having the same sex/colour/ethnicity/religous background .

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  24. FeralScrote (217 comments) says:

    I have a sneaking suspicion his speech writer will be getting a bonus from National for all the good work they have been doing.

    Just when you think the munter can`t sink any lower ,he absolutely manages to outmunt himself.

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  25. adc (595 comments) says:

    when will he apologise for being a smarmy retard?

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  26. mara (784 comments) says:

    Give your friends and loved ones a Cun#liffe for Xmas and birthdays. The gift that keeps on giving.

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  27. RF (1,397 comments) says:

    This is beautiful… Dear God. Please let Cunners continue to be Nationals secrete weapon.

    I would love to be a fly on the wall at the Labour bitch session this weekend. I have heard from sources that there are some very pissed off labour members who want to have their say.

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  28. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    Cunliffes got balls ..

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  29. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Who in hell does this goober think he is . . . being a devout pacifist and rainbow lover he is far removed from a man. He has now gone down lower than a snake’s guts. The deviants in his party deserve the woofter.

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  30. RF (1,397 comments) says:

    hj… 6.35pm. No … They are now earrings worn by the sisterhood.

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  31. mara (784 comments) says:

    Cunliffes got balls. hj, that’s what you find when playing with a cheap microscope. Get a better one mate.

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  32. markm (114 comments) says:

    This is just another example of Mr Cunliffes lies.
    He did the same with his CV claiming to be something he wasn’t and now he’s apologising for something he isn’t

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  33. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    I have never seen such universal one sided comments on a Stuff comment site. 100+ votes on some comments.

    Cun*liffe will be way below 10% next poll and with Liarbor around 20%.

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  34. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    I can’t wait for his “explanation”! [rubbing hands together]

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  35. nasska (11,493 comments) says:

    Maybe Cunliffe knows more about his party membership than we think.

    Labour may have actually jumped the gerbil & is now consists of only rainbows, female unionists & the sisterhood. :)

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  36. Southern Raider (1,829 comments) says:

    I’m a man, a husband and a father. I’ve never assaulted my wife or daughter and never will.

    Cunliffe you can get fucked

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  37. maxwell (55 comments) says:

    the Messiah has had almost 15 years now ingratiating himself with the Caucus Sisterhood.

    He knows they love hearing this sort of grovelling, sycophantic drivel.

    At first I thought his cringing, oily, fawning, obsequious mewling was
    spontaneous but on subsequent listenings it sounds rehearsed.

    Unbelievable. Which intellectual giant thought this was a good idea ?

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  38. Sector 7g (242 comments) says:

    Lucky he wasn’t a Maori speaking to a bunch of white guys

    “I don’t say it often, but today, I am sorry for being Maori”

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  39. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    The biggest bullshit about this announcement is not Cuntliffe’s stupid comment about being ashamed of being a man, it is the assertion from Cuntliffe that one in three Kiwi females is the “victim” of domestic violence.

    I simply don’t believe that statistic.

    I can only imagine that one of the many men haters inside the Labour party has stretched the definition of “abuse” to include a couple having an argument. I suspect in the fucked up world of the man hating feminist that having a row with the Mr’s is considered a form of “abuse”.

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  40. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    His gutless Email leaking offsider “Manhire” or whatever his name is from The Herald will be once again trying to get the piece of s..t off the hook.

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  41. notrotsky (84 comments) says:

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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  42. Sector 7g (242 comments) says:

    The other interesting thing about this is the Heralds story going from over 150 comments (99% mocking him) to not being able to comment at all.

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  43. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    “it is the assertion from Cuntliffe that one in three Kiwi females is the “victim” of domestic violence.”

    The Labour media release said:

    “On average 35 New Zealanders are killed by a member of their family every year, and one in three women experience intimate partner violence.

    That could easily be construed as one in three women experience intimate partner violence per year. I thionk that’s incorrect.

    A report by UN Women was released in Wellington today and canvassed 22 developed nations about subjects including domestic violence and maternal mortality.

    The study found a third of the country’s women had reported experiencing physical violence from a partner during the period 2000 to 2010.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5332717/NZ-worst-for-domestic-violence-UN-report

    That’s far more feasible, depending on their definition of “experiencing physical violence”.

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  44. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    What a stupid ( well I was going to say “prick” but he doesn’t seem to like the idea he has one of them) fool.
    Stuopid is as stupid does..

    Perhaps he really is a lesbian in disguise.

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  45. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    I’m not sorry he leads Labour :)

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  46. greenjacket (465 comments) says:

    His Avondale speech, his speech about “red roses of socialism” to an audience of diehard lefties (while living in Herne Bay), going to a Green group and saying that his wife is an environmental lawyer (snigger), his tendency to say “mate” in a fake Kiwi accent, saying sorry for being a man…
    His desperate willingness to say anything to please his audience is just pathetic.

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  47. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    Also can’t wait until the self hater professor Neville Robertson adds to this. Hahaha.

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  48. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    I never thought I would live to see a ore inept politician than squeaky voiced Liberal PM Billy McMahon in 1972.

    Cunliffe makes Billy Big Ears look like Winston Churchill.

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  49. wiseowl (893 comments) says:

    Hard to categorize him now.
    There are men, women, schoolteachers and mmm, Cunliffes!

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  50. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    One in three women say they have suffered intimate partner violence. What would a survey of men say? Being pushed or slapped or punched all counts as physical violence surely. If it does, every male friend I have ever asked has suffered intimate partner violence. Who is going to apologise for being a woman? Turei? Maybe that’s a stretch.

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  51. coge (190 comments) says:

    Sanctimonious snivelling.

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  52. Hair Removal Specialist (80 comments) says:

    Someone has to say it, Ironic, cun*liffe is lamenting being cun*less.

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  53. J Bloggs (241 comments) says:

    Sector 7g (236 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    The other interesting thing about this is the Heralds story going from over 150 comments (99% mocking him) to not being able to comment at all.

    They’ve closed the doors on comments on the article at Stuff too, now

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  54. duggledog (1,556 comments) says:

    Watch the next poll. This is the gaffe that’s going to sink Cunliffe without a trace and Labour with it. 27% will be a dream for them come September. Neither men nor women like weak males and whether he meant it that way or not, that is going to be the line that resonates up and down the country.

    On a similar note, the Maori ‘king”s offspring’s behaviour and subsequent lack of any sort of conviction is going to be the story that gets the Conservatives into Parliament. He really does look like an utter shit. Craig couldn’t have asked for a better illustration of Maori privilege and why it’s got to stop.

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  55. adc (595 comments) says:

    unfortunately I think people will have forgotten all about this by September.

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  56. srylands (410 comments) says:

    https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=contract_detail&contract=PM.2014.LABOUR

    PM.Labour – 16.8%
    :-) :-)

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  57. Yvette (2,819 comments) says:

    Since Shearer held up two snapper in Parliament, had anyone wondered what could be a similar stance for Cunliffe.

    Well, there you are – I AM SORRY TO BE A MAN
    Did someone write it for him, because it was so staged – so does he trust that scriptwriter, fucking bad as they are?

    Has he not one friend who would stop him.
    Cunliffe, l’homme qui s’est jeté sous un camion

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  58. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Is Cunliffe going to apologise for being a socialist? Socialists murdered something on the order of 100million people last century. Surely Cunliffe must share some collective blame?

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  59. duggledog (1,556 comments) says:

    adc

    No they won’t, it’s too close, all Craig has to do is refer to it in a leader’s debate and / or advertising campaign, people won’t forget the maori turd’s exoneration. It’s just too perfect. Maori king, laughable, lack of conviction, even more laughable. Whether it’s right or wrong is irrelevant, it’s simply the most glorious button Craig can push and push and push again. He’ll be pissing himself. What a gift!

    And all JK has to do is laugh it up in a leader’s debate at Cunliffe’s expense, one time will do, people will remember the ‘sorry I’m a man’ comment. I don’t know who you hang out with mate but tell you what, this shit’s stickin’!

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  60. ShawnLH (5,025 comments) says:

    Two issues.

    One, Cunliffe has nothing to apologize for as he’s not a man in the first place.

    Two, wanky PC stunts like this trivialize family violence.

    The drip is unfit to rule anything, let alone a nation.

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  61. Yvette (2,819 comments) says:

    What a start …
    Not to a conference, as what they used to have –
    BUT A LABOUR CONGRESS

    I AM NOT A MAN

    Silly bugger more like :-)

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  62. I Say Look Here (57 comments) says:

    This is seismic. Not just for Cunliffe’s credibility, or for the electoral prospects of the Labour party, but also I believe for those at the frontline of the battle against domestic violence in this country.

    All I’ve heard over the years from such people is that self-image issues are at the core of the causation process for abusers. They have no love and respect for themselves, so they struggle to feel the same for those close to them. They feel they have little control over their own lives, and seek to make up for that by controlling others around them who are vulnerable to it.

    Now we have this clown come along and tell us that being a man is something we have to apologize for. How exactly is that going to help those men battling to maintain a bit of self-esteem?

    You have to wonder whether Cunliffe will ever truly appreciate the damage he’s done his best to inflict.

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  63. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    Yvette – I think you’re right, this is Cunliffe’s snapper moment. I knew as soon as I saw it reported it was going to go very bad for him. From seeing the response I think it could be worse than that.

    Totally predictable too. If he had got decent advice he’d have been warned off anything like this.

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  64. Steve Wrathall (284 comments) says:

    Clearly he’s given up on reaching out to middle NZ and is trying to endear himself with the leftist true faithful who may keep him in his job post 9/20. They lap up this like mother’s milk: We’re all collectively victims and all collectively guilty, but look, the Messiah is taking our sins unto himself. Follow Him.

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  65. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    At least he stopped short of telling the audience he wanted to be a ‘front bum.’ Great diplomacy David.

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  66. ashishnaicker (21 comments) says:

    Please support Cunliffe’s sex change operation: https://www.facebook.com/fundsexchangeforcunliffe

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  67. Sponge (176 comments) says:

    At least he didn’t weep.

    Maybe that is next…

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  68. Scott Chris (6,137 comments) says:

    Poor old Cunners – takin’ the weight of all men’s sins upon his shoulders.

    Not a healthy psychological snapshot.

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  69. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Won’t someone OIA his birth certificate?

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  70. Sponge (176 comments) says:

    Actually I just listened to the clip on Stuff again. He did sound like he was about to weep.

    What is worse is his voice broke like Len Browns after he got caught rooting around.

    What an insincere pillock.

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  71. freemark (580 comments) says:

    So that’s what the 2 dead fish were about.. Shearer & Cunliffe.

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  72. Rich Prick (1,701 comments) says:

    Jesus wept. His balls are clearly still in Helen’s bottom drawer. None of us will be queuing up to apologise for our biology, in fact only a fuckwit would. One apologises for errors, but being a man isn’t one, unless you’re a Labour eunuch it would seem.

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  73. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    At least he didn’t weep.

    He tried to but he couldn’t pull it off.

    Poor ole Dave. One wonders how many times this planned and fiendishly clever comment to get headlines on the eve of the conference was bandied about in the War Room. I imagine Matt’s shouting very loudly indeed right about now, at all these journalists wanting to talk to David about exactly the wrong thing. I mean, in the lefty world, provided you’re not gay of course, they probably expect and receive apologies from white men all the time, for being who they are. I mean, it’s as natural as farting, or getting out the dildo when “the husband” wants to make love to “his” civil union “wife.” What’s wrong with that? Why, nothing at all, to these advanced thinkers, these paragons of virtue, the left, the ones and the only ones who weally weally weally care so vewy vewy much that it makes simply everything and anything they ever do quite alright, no matter what it is.

    Yet now, for some unknown reason, all the people out there in normie land, are going nuts at nothing at all. How extraordinary. What’s the world coming to?

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  74. Steve Taylor (211 comments) says:

    Time for some pushback, methinks:

    http://newlynnconservative.com/2014/07/04/waitakere-man-conservative-party-candidate-not-going-to-apologise-for-being-a-man/

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  75. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    The worst thing about this whole sorry saga, is that there are speechwriters and staff around Cunliffe who thought this was a good idea. I do wonder if Matt also approved this speech.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Labour beats National’s low mark this time around.

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  76. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Reid (15,846 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    I know it’s very poor taste, & borrowed from an even more distasteful place, but….

    +100

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  77. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    How many more times are we going to see a statement from Cunliffe, followed by the phrase, “I don’t think you could make this up” or similar variations.

    I’m going to get stickers done, with “I’m sorry for being a man” written on them, and stick them to every Labour billboard with Cunliffe’s pic on them, assuming they have had the guts to use his mug, remembering they did not use Phil Goff at all.

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  78. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Apparently one in 3 women have received injuries from their partner, Given that according to studies, 17-45% of Lesbians have been assaulted by their partner, I look forward to apologies from Maryan Street and Louisa Wall.

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  79. maxwell (55 comments) says:

    Sponge

    “at least he didn’t weep, maybe that is next” Very droll.

    he was bloody close to it, he got the emotional pause,
    intake of breath & caught throat/stuck for words bit right
    but when putting on the waterworks, timing is everything

    I guess they just couldn’t get it right in rehearsals,
    and looked a bit put on, so they decided not to go with it …

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  80. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    Given that according to studies, 17-45% of Lesbians have been assaulted by their partner, I look forward to apologies from Maryan Street and Louisa Wall.

    I don’t think they need to apologise, but it occurs to me if they sold tickets to men so we could watch them the next time two lesbians had a fight, pretty soon they wouldn’t have anymore funding problems and Liarbore could get back to thinking up some decent policies, like starting up a national mud-wrestling competition.

    I bet if any lesbians read that, they’ll ask me to apologise. You wait.

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  81. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    Another sign that Cunliffe doesn’t always think around the corner. Announcing the budget injection of 15m was good enough, speaking out as a man taking a lead domestic violence would have done, instead, for some obscure reason, he seemed to think his ‘at the moment’ was a qualifier when in fact ‘around the corner’ most likely a few hundred thousand kiwi males wondered wtf they were hearing. Playing to the audience is one thing, but potentially alienating a good part of the population in the process should be off the list. Silly blunder really, maybe he was ‘reaching out’ from his feminine side. Bloody rainbows again.

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  82. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Cunliffe’s problem is that he is a man.

    When Clark was leader she could think for herself and did so before speaking.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/10231611/Shocking-truth-about-the-male-mind

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  83. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    Reid 9.48
    I doubt if they were lesbians but I remember one fight at ‘morning tea’ when the six women got stuck into one of their group while I and another male sat quiet, embarrased and agast at the venom and nastiness.

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  84. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    Cunliffe must be a fan of Louis Prima and Keely Smith.

    Down and down I go
    Round and round I go
    In a spin
    Lovin’ the spin I’m in

    What an unbelievable dick the fellow is.

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  85. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    What Cunliffe wanted to say, if he had someone think of this for him …

    I am proud to a man, but ashamed that some men abuse women. And Labour wants government to do more to prevent this abuse.

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  86. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    As has already been noted, some of the abuse is as much a result of a lack of self worth in the perp as it is an anger management and respect for others issue.

    The correct term is of course, being a sorry excuse for a man to resort to abusing someone weaker than themselves.

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  87. hj (7,011 comments) says:

    hj (6,207 comments) says:
    July 4th, 2014 at 6:35 pm

    Cunliffes got balls ..

    > .. !

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  88. Anthony (796 comments) says:

    This kind of behaviour is nothing new for Cunliffe

    http://www.techzone360.com/news/2007/03/29/2452495.htm

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  89. Reid (16,449 comments) says:

    I wonder what the hell is going on in his head. Remember, this is an intelligent man who aspires to be PM in his own head, and therefore his every move, in his own head, is run through that filter.

    It’s extraordinary, isn’t it.

    Someone put their finger on it above when they pointed out that in an audience of ‘x’ Cunliffe evidently can’t but help appearing desperately to want to be an ‘x’ presumably in order to please them.

    Which means a huge, massive hole in his own psyche if he’s not even comfortable enough in his own skin to stand up in front of a group of ‘x’s and tell em to get stuffed if he feels like saying that to them.

    And he wants to run our, my, country. I wouldn’t let him run the local PTA.

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  90. Sideoiler (73 comments) says:

    I think what he meant to say was he’s a sorry excuse for a man

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  91. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Have any other male Labour MPs apologised for being men yet? If not, is that because they’re not apologetic? I think we need to hear from all of them to find out which ones apologise, and which ones don’t.

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  92. Richard Hurst (857 comments) says:

    Just when Labour are going to bring out some more policy at their party congress- Cunliffe ensures media attention will instead be on his latest screw up all weekend….what a politician, what a leader, what a hero……what a MAN!

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  93. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    If we choose a Gang Patch to avail and bask in the the glory – be it each or several;
    Pakeha, Maori, Left, Right, Liberal, Democrat, Tory, Labour, National, Gay, Warriors, All Blacks, Male, Team New Zealand, Waikato, Communist, Catholic, West, Second World, European, Palangi, Methodist, Female, Tottenham, Speights, Evil, Transgendered, Good, USAin, American, Bad, Venezuelan, Abkhazian, Bosnian, Greater Albanian, Russian, English, British..
    Then we must acknowledge the good and the bad of the Patch,…
    Evident and done by Cunliffe !

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  94. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    What men need is a new super hero – “Not all Men” man to confront the feminist subversion of week liberal leftie men who apologise for being men when wanting either sex or a vote (right wing man pays for it up front or in the divorce settlement).

    http://time.com/79357/not-all-men-a-brief-history-of-every-dudes-favorite-argument/

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  95. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    When will the government say sorry for this?

    http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2014/07/national-shuts-down-christchurchs-rape.html

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  96. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    Hey #Teamkey – which Patches are on your back ? – then we will ask the #Keyquestions

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  97. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    Some more Patches that avail and influence;
    Fisher, Rotarian, Zionist, Shareholder, Muslim, Armenian, Refugee, Jewish, Farmer, Immigrant, Beneficiary, Wealthy, Lawyer, Anglican..
    #Keyquestions

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  98. Bogusnews (474 comments) says:

    An absolutely classic comment from Whaleoil…

    “Helen Clarke would never apologise for being a man”

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  99. OneTrack (3,092 comments) says:

    “Well, there you are – I AM SORRY TO BE A MAN”

    Well, it is the Labour party. Don’t they have to sign a declaration to that effect just to belong to the party?

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  100. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    Labour has now dropped a little further on ipredict to 16.1 cents.

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  101. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    He is no man, never has been . . . just a tosser and a wimp.

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  102. lazza (381 comments) says:

    He’s also an “apology” of a leader/politition”

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  103. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    What a wonderful display of comments by so many Kiwiblog males. Plenty of Denial as to who is to blame for our outrageous domestic and child violence statistics. But like it or not, males far outweigh females in those stats.

    I have very little respect for David Cunliffe, very little of what he says resonates with me, however, he is right on this one. It was a brave but much needed thing to be said, if for no other reason than it causes debates, such as some of that above. Comments that indicate just how much ‘in denial’ many men are about the subject. It indicates that just because they don’t beat their wife, in their minds it doesn’t happen, or somehow they are excused from the problem.

    It does happen, it happens all too frequently, and it happens because men still find excuses for allowing violence to be ‘acceptable’ within their mindset.

    Cunliffe might have looked like a bit of a dweeb in what he said, but he is right, the only way to stop this violence, is if you all speak out against it. If you all stop ‘joking’ about it, and finding excuses to excuse it, which allows some to think its okay. Just because you personally aren’t violent, doesn’t mean you don’t contribute to the problem with your attitudes. This is a serious problem in New Zealand, and when given the chance to make a difference to change it through open discussion, you turn it into yet another political hate fest, and again the subject gets ‘ignored’ and denied by you – the same sex as the vast majority of the perpetrators of it.

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  104. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    Further to my comment above, I ask what has this government said about the subject?

    Yes, they’ve said a bit – they’re going to stop it with their GPS systems. A totally pathetic system that if anything has the potential to contribute to the problem and which will be ineffective in reducing it. It’s yet again attempting to put a plaster on the cut – but not stopping what causes the pain in the first place.

    It won’t work.

    1. Because it is not going to be applied until there is a breach of protection order. Statistics show that many people are injured or worse, on that first breach.

    2. The GPS system would only be useful if monitored constantly 24/7 to check the position of the potential offender. Which would be cost prohibitive.

    3. 24/7 monitoring would be of no use, unless you also monitored the potential victim, to ensure the two were not in close proximity. Again cost prohibitive.

    4. To be effective, the potential victim would need to be ‘imprisoned’ in their own home, which would be wired to set an alert should the potential offender came close, and no one is going to submit to that long term.

    5. The GPS, like home detention bands, are easily removed, whilst this would trigger an alert, by time the offender was located, if they are hell bent on causing harm, it would be too late.

    The GPS suggestion will only work on the honest, and those level headed enough and rational enough. The vast majority of those that breach the orders, are none of those. If a person is hell bent on causing harm to another, a GPS is not going to stop them, however, it will be handy in court to prove their whereabouts after the damage has been done. But we are pretty good at doing that without going to the expense of buying into this system.

    6. The fact that an unbalanced and violent person is made to wear a GPS 24/7 as a constant reminder of his/her issues with the potential victim, is only going to infuriate them further, and add to the problem, not solve it.

    The only way to lessen domestic violence in this country is to get rid of the mindset that allows it in the first place.

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  105. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Violence comes from woman as well Judith.
    I broke up with one woman I was engaged to after she repeatedly assaulted me physically.
    To me there is absolutely no difference between violence from a woman and violence from a man.
    I have zero tolerance for either.

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  106. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    igm (1,314 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 8:54 am
    He is no man, never has been . . . just a tosser and a wimp.

    Yeah, what a wimp – to speak out against bashing women is such a wimpish thing to do!

    (great example of the mindset igm – thanks for that ;-) )

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  107. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Griff (6,534 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I don’t think anyone is saying it doesn’t come from women as well Griff. But the statistics are overwhelmingly dominated by males.

    We need to get the message through that domestic violence is NOT okay – by either sex, but given the fact that it is mostly males that are involved, and for the obvious physiological reasons of strength and injury etc, males need to know it is not acceptable.

    Arguments that females do it to, only adds to the mindset that allows some to think its then okay. Its not.

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  108. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    “Cunliffe might have looked like a bit of a dweeb in what he said, but he is right, the only way to stop this violence, is if you all speak out against it.”

    I agree with this, but he has chosen the wrong way to speak out against it. He has effectively spoken out against the many good men who abhor and oppose violence.

    Being sorry for being what we are, male, is the opposite of the right approach. Deborah Morris-Travers (of children’s lobby group Every Child Counts) understands.

    ‘‘One of the solutions to family violence is having all men healthy, educated, feeling good about being parents, feeling supported and engaged in their community and having a strong identity – not apologising for being male.’’

    As member of society I feel a responsibility to address problems in society, but I don’t accept blame for other people’s crap.

    I’ll do what I can to oppose and reduce violence, but I’m damned if I’ll apologise for being male.

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  109. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    Judith are you blonde?

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  110. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Pete George (22,424 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Pete, the media took a statement from an entire speech and failed to portray the context of it. Whilst it looked pathetic, it is the reasons it was said that people should be looking at. The sentiment behind it is what needs to be considered.

    I’m sure you are an upstanding and moral person who hates our domestic violence, but you are not isolated from it, any more than I am. This is happening in our country, in our communities, and maybe even in your neighbourhood. It is costing money, and it is costing the lives of innocent New Zealander’s – therefore it is OUR problem, and it is your problem.

    If all the good men such as yourself, stopped looking a ‘how stupid that statement sounded’ and took a good long look at the sentiments and the problem and encouraged the discourse, you could go a long way into being able to impress on other males, how violence is just NOT acceptable in our society.

    I go so far as to suggest we are all to blame. The women for not teaching our daughters to be compassionate, and to understand the stress put on males regarding providing/protecting etc, and to the men, for not standing up and taking every opportunity to teach that using one’s fists, is NEVER a way of coping with anger.

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  111. kiwi in america (2,449 comments) says:

    Judith
    When you are losing 50:1 on a almost 500 comment thread of Stuff you are in BIG trouble. What few ‘Waitakere Men’ who were left in Labour’s camp are now gone.

    What’s even more telling is the utter denial on the left. The Standard are officially avoiding it with a few die-hards claiming this will swing votes in his favour. The sisterhood will be thrilled but for every feminist and metrosexual male for whom this is an electoral plus, they are outweighed by the 20 middle NZ swing voters who think it was weak, whimpish and daft and are even less likely to vote for Cunliffe.

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  112. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kiwi in america (2,422 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:33 am

    I couldn’t give a flying fart if I am losing 2:3 million. I will continue to speak out against the appalling violence that continues to happen in our society.

    I am under no illusion that the majority think Cunliffe’s comment was stupid. Most don’t want to accept the problem or even consider that they are partly to blame for this violence becoming such a negative social behaviour. I am absolutely sure there are probably thousands, just like yourself who love to stick your heads in the sand and say ‘not my problem’. But it is your problem, and its my problem, and as long as innocent children and others, are being harmed because socialised humanbeings don’t know how to control their anger, and continue to think that bashing someone is okay, then I will encourage anyone with the balls to stand up and speak out about it,

    You are the wimp as far as I’m concerned, because you don’t have the guts to do anything and instead are as bad as the bashers themselves, because you make excuses and divert the discourse to suit your own political bias – in doing so you contribute to the problem.

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  113. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Judith
    “the media took a statement from an entire speech and failed to portray the context of it.”

    Oh come on Judith, when have the media NOT done that?
    A smart politician knows darn well what will happen with statements like that.

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  114. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Lance (2,393 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:45 am

    I have never said Cunliffe was smart – that is something I would never accuse him of being. I don’t like the man – but for once, instead of making this about him, can’t you at least see the message in what was said?

    Cunliffe’s statement was a perfect opportunity to open the dialogue of this disgusting and dominating negative social statistic, and what do you all do? Do you take the opportunity to discuss his suggestions in a rational manner, and to accept that it is only from men themselves, that others will learn? No, instead you all take the political opportunity to score points for your team.

    What Cunliffe did was no worse than John Key’s catwalk stunt. But with that you all looked past it, to what Key was trying to achieve, and I suggest you’d all do our country a lot bigger favour if you looked at the message, instead of the person.

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  115. TM (99 comments) says:

    Ironically, in his attempt to gain favour with an important faction of his party, he has probably set back the domestic violence cause. As a “man”, he should be trying to engage potential male abusers, not alienate them. Instead of focusing attention on NZ’s domestic violence problem, he has provided a distraction from it.

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  116. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Judith.

    Again you miss the sodding point.

    There would not be one commentator on here that does not abhor the pain and violence inflicted on some women by some men. It is real, dangerous and in some cases, deadly. But there are some salient facts, backed up by independent study, that should be to the fore in this debate.

    Spousal abuse is real, and an Otago University study showed that in committed relationships, it is just as likely to come from either gender, directed at either gender. Of course this does not suit the narrative of many politically correct scholars in the field. If you take the time to read Nigel Latta’s book, Fathers raising Daughters, he does go into some detail in exploding the myth that women are the gentler gender.

    Many men who abuse women have been the result of single parent families, and as such have no role model to show them how to act as good and decent men. As Celia Lashlie ably illustrates in her book, He’ll be Alright, our justice system is over represented with fatherless boys, who have never emotionally become men. No one has showed them how. These boys have been raised by women.

    These men need to be shown what it means to be a good man. They need to be mentored by good men, and these good men should NEVER, EVER, have to apologise for being a man.

    There are men who have to apologise for their actions, and their behavior. There are men who have to own up to the hurt they have caused others, there are women who have to do the same, but there is no reason for a good man to apologise for being a man.

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  117. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    I wonder how many men suffer-in-silence female violence toward them because they are too proud to report instances to Police and/or other agencies. Just imagine the eye rolling by Police when a complaint of screaming abusive language is laid against a female. Yes, by today’s “standards”, that is violence. Worse, even snide or deprecating comments, said sotto voce, are considered violent. Female on Male bullying is alive and well, for those that wish to observe and see.

    Yes, all forms of violence are to be resisted (but not by violent means :-) ). Yes, it is not gender specific, and it also applies to the whole homosexual community. Perhaps that is why most of the refuge types have “that look” about them.

    Four visiting females dined with us last evening. Every one said Cun*life had made the single biggest gaff in his political career. How he will go down today among “Waitakere men” ? Without Waitakere man Cun*life has not got a snowball’s chance in hell.

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  118. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    but given the fact that it is mostly males that are involved

    It is definitely not mostly males involved.
    Personally i have more than one tale of female on male violence. I have the scars from sixteen stitches received from a redheaded witch when I was to young to know any better. It may not result in the same damage but is just as much part of the ongoing culture.

    Many woman seem to think that slapping kicking or punching a man is ok as long as he doesn’t retaliate.
    The culture of violence is evident in both sexes in this country
    It is not only enabled by men, woman are just as culpable in their attitudes and only blaming men allows the female culture of violence to be continued.

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  119. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ TM (94 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    No, he didn’t distract from it. All of you that have made it about politics and failed to concentrate on the message itself is who have caused the distraction.

    He apologised for being male, because it put him in the same group of many of the perpetrators of domestic violence. It is his right to do that – he wasn’t apologising for you, or for any other male, he was apologising for how he felt.

    Perhaps you would like to look up some of the primary behaviours that contribute to such violence – one of them is the fact we live in a society that does not allow males to express how they feel, and so that lack of expression eventually evolves to anger. Cunliffe did what many men need to learn to do – and that is express how they feel with something other than their fists.

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  120. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ Griff (6,535 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Look I am fully aware that many women use violence, but the lasting harm is done primarily by males. That is the harm where people end up needing medical attention, or a coffin.

    Our stats overwhelmingly show that it is males that cause the most harm with violence. Until you can accept that, then it is going to continue. Providing excuses for them by saying females do it to, is not going to make the problem any better.

    I must say though, it’s great to see the right using every excuse they can muster to allow domestic violence to continue – one has to wonder whether there is some sort of financial profit in it?

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  121. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ slightlyrighty (2,484 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Again you missed the message, but I’m not going to repeat it.

    But I will point out, that Cunliffe wasn’t apologising for you, he wasn’t apologising for me, or all men or women. He was doing what he had the right to do, and expressing his own personal feelings about the subject. I don’t like Cunliffe, but I will defend his and anyone’s right to stand up for what they believe is right, when it is against a social evil. He expressed his feelings, and they are his alone to express – I realise how foreign that is in this day and age – but its something that we need more of, and not condemnation for.

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  122. kiwi in america (2,449 comments) says:

    Judith
    You know nothing about me and what work I have and continue to do in the community. I have been involved with volunteer work as a trained interventionist confronting men who sexually offend to get them into treatment to REDUCE the risk of re-offending again. How many men do you know who do this messy work. I’m far from being a wimp.

    Cunliffe’s groveling won’t reduce violence on women one iota apart from thrilling the PC left. If the man thinks this will help him get elected to then help his constituency then he’s in la-la land and doesn’t deserve the office he seeks.

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  123. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ kiwi in america (2,423 comments) says:
    July 5th, 2014 at 10:16 am

    Again you reduce it to politics. Tsk tsk.

    Cunliffe’s words have already worked to open the dialogue and bring the subject to the attention of others. The more people are aware of the issue, the more can be done to prevent it.

    Good on you for doing some work in the area of sexual offending. I have worked in the area myself for many years. I know many men who also work in the area. In fact, assistance for sexual offending in NZ is dominated by male practitioners. But sexual offending is very different in many aspects to violent offending. The contributory behaviours and motivations are rather different. My main concern is regarding societal attitudes. Once the person has offended, there is frequently a great array of positive role models for them in the system, it is prior to offending that I am most concerned with. Prevention is far better than having to mop up the mess.

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  124. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    He is no more a man than Judith and Penny are ladies. He was the lowest form of life Labour could get to fail in September. The girlie boys are rejoicing.

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  125. kiwi in america (2,449 comments) says:

    Judith
    Your apology for calling me a wimp is graciously accepted. The left reduce everything to politics – every social issue is used to belt the right over the head with slogans…constantly, so quit with the shield of sanctimony.

    It’s hardly politics to point out facts – Cunliffe is losing middle NZ over this issue big time. There are many many things that good men can (and do) do to prevent violence on women without denigrating their own manhood.

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  126. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    “Look I am fully aware that many women use violence, but the lasting harm is done primarily by males. That is the harm where people end up needing medical attention, or a coffin. ”

    You are either a liar or ignorant. From previous comments you’ve been shown to be both so I’m not sure which it is in this case.

    You are also showing intellectual dishonesty by portraying those of us disgusted by this comment as not opposed, even enablers, of domestic violence.

    You are as vile as Cunliffe.

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  127. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Judith.

    I will not support a man who feels, in any situation, that being a man is something he needs to apologise for. A person can and should apologise for anything he or she has done, but if you assign any behavior to any group, then you lead yourself down the path to prejudice.

    This is another variation on the “All Men are Rapists” theory we hear from feminists, and this thinking appears to be ratified by Labour policy.

    I will support any man who is prepared to stand against against domestic violence. I count myself as a proud member of a community of decent, upstanding men. Men who have all taken a solemn vow to respect the chastity of all women. Men who have made a commitment to themselves, and to each other, to be good men, and always strive to be better men.

    We do not make better men by apologising for being one.

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  128. Pete George (23,560 comments) says:

    “Pete, the media took a statement from an entire speech and failed to portray the context of it.”

    No.

    Cunliffe carefully constructed the opening of his speech for maximum impact. It looked like it was carefully rehearsed. His and his speech writers know full well the importance of sound bites and video imagery.

    He’s been bitten hard on the backside by this one.

    Yes, he has raised the issue of violence far more effectively than National’s policy release a couple of days earlier. But he has guaranteed he won’t be looked to for leadership against violence by many many people, men and women.

    He’s made a major error of judgement. I just hope the fight against violence will ramp up now despite him.

    On The Nation this morning he wouldn’t retract what he said but he was singing a significantly different tune. I think he knows his grand performance to ‘eliminate violence’ (an idealistic and unrealistic goal) was a flop but this is one he can easily flip flop on.

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  129. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    I must give Willy Jackson credit for his comment on the Nation this morning. He stated that Cunliffe’s apology is similar to him apologizing for being Maori for the domestic violence of Maori. Both of which is plain stupid.

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  130. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I’m proud to be a man.

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  131. Colinxy (24 comments) says:

    Judith the Willfully Ignorant stated

    “Providing excuses for them by saying females do it to, is not going to make the problem any better. ”

    I know for one that it would have helped my childhood. Ten years of my life childhood would have been immensely better if societal authority figures believed women could do wrong on child rearing. (How I even survived amazes me, since weapons could and would be employed in the physical abuse perpetrated on me by my step mother.)

    Sure doctors and even some teachers even noticed the after effects of such violence against me. But being believed about my step mother was an impossible hurdle. As far as authority figures were concerned “females didn’t do it.”

    It angers me a lot that people like you perpetuate this myth about female innocence by virtue of gender. It is equivalent to Cunliffe’s attempt to paint all males by the opposite brush in his speech.

    Until we are prepared to face the ugly truth on the steps to violence, we are never ever going to solve it. Omitting half the steps because of your delusion about gender is never going to reveal that ugly truth. Until authority figures admit that females are just as likely to initiate domestic violence and do something about it, the problem will remain. Keeping yours and their heads in the sand just means the violence will continue.

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  132. rightoverlabour (108 comments) says:

    Bit of advice to all who try and engage with that twit – no, not Cunliffe, Judith. Ignore her. Don’t read her drivel. Ignore her. Down tick automatically (then her posts will get hidden) and move on. Proud to be a red blooded, alpha male. Cunliffe you don’t speak for me, don’t apologise for me, don’t (and never will) represent me.

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  133. MH (753 comments) says:

    Where does the deputy leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition stand on this issue? Is that Tammy Wynette I hear in the background ?

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  134. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Amazing how Judith has similarly reduced the “if you disagree with Cunliffe then you’re an enabler of abuse against women”. Similar to how if you were against the anti-smacking law then you were effectively a child abuser. She then has the audacity to accuse others of reducing the argument to ‘politics’. The reasoning it’s being ‘reduced to politics’ is because it is absolutely politics. Cunliffe has shown time and time again he will bend whatever he has to say to the audience, so far as even walking out of a Union meeting and then telling the waiting journalists the exact opposite of what was said inside. Here he completely and utterly panders to a demographic. John Key nailed it when he said ‘would he walk in to a rugby club and say that he was sorry for being a man?’. Intellectual dishonesty at its worst.

    This is the reason Cunliffe will not be prime minister in September. He is so disingenuous that it’s hard to actually tell who he is. A constantly changing chameleon wishing he was living in the pre-social-media world so that his changes aren’t so easily detected by the masses. Popularism isn’t working for him, even his own caucus don’t like him and his “I’m sorry for being a man” is just showing the voting masses how low he’ll stoop to win a vote. I’m sure he won some votes in that audience that day, the problem is how many he just lost outside of it.

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  135. goldnkiwi (1,304 comments) says:

    Just say Cunliffe is a sorry man and leave it at that. ;)

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  136. freemark (580 comments) says:

    What Cunliffe and and his repeaters are doing is almost criminal. They are, in effect:
    1) Telling kids that there is somehow something wrong with men
    2) Giving a “get out of jail free”card to the 1 or 2% of men who are abusers (I’m a man, it’s expected/ok, David said so)
    3) Sanctioning abuse by all the abusive women out there, and telling them they need take no responsibility for keeping themselves & kids safe.

    Look at his eyes in the photo..calculating and quite evil – they don’t match his pathetic little grovel to the audience du jour.
    He is your typical little cowardly leftie weasel, voluntarily psychologically castrated by the sisterhood.
    Clark had more balls

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