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Perception of immigration issues wrong – Professor
Immigration is a hot topic in the United States at the moment as President Barack Obama backs a bill which would give illegal immigrants who are already in the country an opportunity to become citizens.
Leading American economics professor David Card has researched the effect of immigration on labour markets. He says the common catchcry that immigrants “steal jobs” is incorrect.
“I think the research that has been accumulated over the last two decades suggests that that’s really a misplaced concern,” he says.
“Most of the research has shown that immigration on average is good for the economy. It has maybe a small amount of effects on very specific groups, but generally speaking the effects have been almost always positive.”
Immigration is an intensely painful topic for a liberal like myself, because it places basic principles in conflict. Should migration from Mexico to the United States be celebrated, because it helps very poor people find a better life? Or should it be condemned, because it drives down the wages of working Americans and threatens to undermine the welfare state? I suspect that my March 27 column will anger people on all sides; I wish the economic research on immigration were more favorable than it is.
In writing this piece I drew mainly on three sources, research papers by economists I know and trust. First is a paper, “Immigration Policy,” by Gordon H. Hanson (pdf) of the University of California at San Diego, . Mr. Hanson is one of my former students, and a leading expert on all matters having to do with U.S.-Mexican economic relations, especially issues having to do with income distribution. This paper gives a good overview of the (small) gains from immigration and the fiscal impacts.
Second is a paper by George Borjas and Lawrence Katz of Harvard, “The Evolution of the Mexican-Born Workforce in the United States.” (pdf). Mr. Borjas is a leading expert on immigration issues; Mr. Katz is one of America’s leading labor economists.
Third is a paper by Mr. Hanson, Matthew Slaughter of Dartmouth (another former student) and Kenneth Scheve (pdf) of the University of Michigan. This paper alerted me to the way immigration penalizes more generous states.
Like all research results, the conclusions of these papers may have to be revised in the light of future research. But I’m afraid that the three negative conclusions I stressed in the column are fairly robust.
Plans being unveiled today about a Christchurch memorial for the earthquake victims. There is, interestingly, already an earthquake memorial at the Avonhead Park Cemetery in Christchurch where the remains of many of the victims are interred. It is a simple and beautiful circular rose garden. Not too sure that money needs to be spent an a further memorial.
Started raining hard about lunch time yesterday, stopped about seven this morning and has just started again. Most highways are closed and now they are saying we could get tornadoes in eastern coastal areas which sounds strangely like my place. I am utterly sick of this weather and wish I was in Kansas!
There’s been wide and varied reactions to David Cunliffe’s “sorry to be a man” comment and to Tania Billingsley casting aside anonymity and speaking out about her feeling about the political reaction to her case.
This is understandable, especially when collective guilt is applied to “all men” and men are told to shut up and not talk about it. Many men and more than a few women have reacted against this. Some of the response has been reactionary and awful, especially when politics is put into the mix. Some of it has been angry.
But, and this is a big BUT, there is much deeper anger seething to the surface. Survivors of rape and domestic violence have deep hurt about what men have done to them and anger about the attitudes on display. Murray McCully is bearing the brunt of much of this. His apparent nonchalance and disinterest in the Malaysian diplomat case has spark a furor.
This angry reaction has taken many aback because while the feelings are evident the reasons are not clear to most people. There’s a good reason for this. Most survivors of brutality don’t like talking about their ordeals, especially in public, so their side of the story has been missed by most.
While many men have been momentarily miffed by accusations of guilt they can quickly move on to other things. Survivors can’t. Every time a rape case or a murder or assault is publicised it reminds then and drags their hurt to the surface again.
As I write this I am so tired. I am tired of repeating myself. Tired of having to explain why the “not all men” arguments are damaging and not a legitimate or helpful response to discussions about violence against women. There are women on this planet who have had legs ripped out from their sockets while being raped. There are women who have been beaten so badly they have not survived. My friend was hit so hard one time she shat herself. It is hard to say anything new about the same old issues when so few people hear the voices of those who have survived. When change is incremental. When the response is so often “…not all men”. Yeah. Moving on.
Why women are angry at Murray McCully for appearing not to care about victims. Why they don’t give a toss about the hurt feelings of peaceful men.
Sure they may overstate culpability of males who are not violent. But that comes from eons of their violation and hurt being grossly understated and ignored.
You know we have a massive problem as a society when a man apologising for the violence men commit against women causes more outcry and insult than the violence he is apologising for.
One billion women on this planet have survived violence. One billion women are living with the aftermath of this violence; the PTSD, the nightmares, the anxiety, the isolation, the shame and stigma… the blame. When a man says sorry for the abuse women have survived, why do so many people and media sources run to defend “good, non-violent men” everywhere, but when a woman has the courage to speak about surviving her own rape or surviving violence she is shamed? Why is she asked “What where you wearing?”, “Were you drunk?”, “Did you say no?”, “Did you deserve it?” Why does no one run to her defence?
Some do quietly defend and confront the excuses and redirection of blame. That often results in attacks – I’ve been viciously attacked and receive ongoing abuse in social media for speaking up against man crap.
But much more male speaking up has to happen to confront one of society’s dirtiest secrets.
I’m not sorry I’m a man at all. Neither is my wife sorry I’m a man.
But I’m sorry for the fact that more men don’t speak up and confront diverting and demeaning language – man crap. I see the excuses and the making women responsible for their safety frequently.
Men should be collectively doing far more about it.
Bickering about who is and who isn’t to blame is pointless. Men need to come up with a way of fixing their own shitty record of wrecking women’s and children’s lives.
Only a small minority of men are vicious animals, but they cause a huge amount of damage in our society.
We can either say it’s not our fault, not our problem and ignore it.
Or we can collectively stand up and do far more about it.
A good way for Murray McCully to end his privileged political career would be to make a real symbolic difference, but for him to do that he woukld have to understand the problem he is very much a part of.
Demands are more likely to entrench opinion against resigning.
But McCully could decide to resign of his own accord, if he got what the problem he is embroiled in is and chose to do something significant about it.
Victims of rape and violence don’t so much need apologies, they need understanding of their anger and they need far more action to prevent so many women and children’s lives being wrecked, and far better support given to survivors.
Barry is setting up socialism from the demand side.
The US now has a moral obligation to help the illegal entry kids. Heaps more social services. The kids will be divided up and sent to demo cities that have state social services, and the federal budget will help fund them. Then they’ll be expanded.
And their parents and siblings will seek citizenship in the years ahead, via a Democrat election policy – the Democrat Voter Immigration Quota it will be known as.
When are MSM going to outline Billingsley’s background and activism (she is bad news)? Along with portraying “Tojo” Cunliffe as an everyday man (he is a wimp, liar, and charlatan), I am getting pissed off with the left wing bias we are subject to by media.
Interesting comments on why there is much interest in China about buying NZ property. This comes from Frank Cui, a Chinese national (or he was when he arrived in NZ in 2001) who is head of BNZ’s migrant banking, as reported today in the Hooerald:
“Property in New Zealand is relatively cheap compared to China,” he says. “The costs have gone through the roof so if you sell one apartment over there you can buy a million dollar house [in New Zealand] easily. So why not?”
He says the opportunity to buy freehold property, which is not available in China, is also attractive to Chinese buyers.
Note the lack of reciprocity – New Zealanders (and Chinese) cannot own freehold property in China.
“While many men have been momentarily miffed by accusations of guilt they can quickly move on to other things. ”
You arrogant prat. What a fucking asshole of a thing to say
You have no bloody idea what a false rape allegation does to a person… “Momentarily Miffed”???
Would you consider a career ruined, a $30,000 legal bill, a suicide attempt, a nervous breakdown, two years unemployed and loaded up on anti-anxiety and anti-depressant medication wondering if you were going to jail “Momentarily Miffed”??
The stigma stays with you for life also- There are friends and family who never spoke to ‘my friend’ again…
And remember this was a FALSE allegation (The ‘Victim’ eventually admitted she made it up)
What an absolute prat you are Pete George.
(*David I will happily take demerits for that angry rant)
Long knives , your not suggesting statuary rape be abolished.? There are many crimes, including murder, where there might be a false allegation.But the circumstances are rare.
A complaint of rape is laid , the police review the evidence and in association with the crown law office make a decision whether or not the charges are credible and withstand the scrutiny before a jury and presiding judge.
A task not entered into lightly.
Again the circumstances of false allegations going to trial are rare.Your friend might consider compensation for wrongful imprisonment etc or is there more to the facts of the case than your friend might be willing to admit.?
A petty cheap shot from Lisa Owen(alleged journalist) at the end of her interview with Paula Bennett where she shot down Owen at every opportunity.
When you resort to name calling you have lost the argument full stop,Lisa.
Yet a rational person may have delved a little deeper into the story kowtow:
….”The jury was told the couple had money worries and Mr Conlin was in trouble at his work with a debt collection agency.
He was also a cannabis and cocaine user and had been using dating sites, causing tension in the relationship.”…..
Yep…..nice, quiet, gentle loving debt collector spins out after contact with demon weed. Pull the other one!
Curious about your future, and where socialism will take the western world? Here’s a glass ball look into whats coming as an inebriated citizenry continue to empower the government class to tyrannize them and to rob them.
“America Has Ceased to Exist”: Investment Guru Doug Casey on the Coming Economic Meltdown. US focused but it applies to socialist countries across the globe and all places where unsustainable govt spending is going to bring complete economic breakdown.
Gays better parents. .? Arguable I guess.More empirical data is needed .Early days in the evolution of the law and social practice.But so far there not shown to be any worse than even say Christian parents.
Time will tell but people move on. Meanwhile fun dies like many Con Party supporters still want us all to go back to the 19th Century.
Not realistic or feasible.
…..”Or is that side of the equation to be excused and minimised by putting the responsibility on the victims?”…..
If the women were a little more discerning they wouldn’t be there to be “threatened”, “intimidated” or “hurt”. I’ve actually seen a little of this side of life & I don’t believe I’m fated to understand this facet of too many women’s make up. There is a major subset of females who have a fantasy of “straightening out a bad boy”. It occurs in maybe a tiny percentage of cases but in the rest they & the unfortunate children they have to “cement the relationship” become punching bags.
If these men were bypassed & denied relationships the problem would disappear.
Exactly how am I responsible for women’s whimsical dreams?
While I feel terribly sorry for the wakeboarder who was so badly injured, and for his family, I wonder why they need to be launching an appeal for funds for his medical treatment or repatriation. Surely anyone in their right mind would have medical insurance when they go to the States, particularly to engage in high risk sport?
Of course as Global Warming (aka climate change) is cause of everything, it causes wet weather in New Zealand (Until it causes droughts) and droughts in the states (Until it causes wet weather). I causes ice to melt in the Arctic and ice to grow in the Antarctic.
Climatology it is the new government approved, data less, unfalsifiable precautionary global warming consensus science.
So, is Global warming ™ causing more droughts and showing a worsening trend in the US as the global warming consensus science claims?
Well, not according to the data.
While the 20th Century instrumental period includes several extreme individual dry years, it was the century with the fewest such years of the entire reconstruction. Extended droughts were more severe in duration, magnitude, and intensity prior to the instrumental record, including the most protracted drought of the record, which spanned 16 years from 1703 to 1718. Extreme wet years and periods are also a regular feature of the reconstruction. A strong early 17th Century pluvial exceeds the early 20th Century pluvial in magnitude, duration, and intensity, and dwarfs the 1980s wet period that caused significant flooding along the Wasatch Front. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jawr.12191/abstract
What is the personal association between Billingsley and Logie? Seems we are being kept in the dark by media, possibly on the directions of Little (he still controls the union plebs masquerading as journos). Come on people, this is a bloody political stunt, smelling of Goff, Mallard, Fat Fairy, and Shearer.
thanks for the Doug Casey video – Doug is one of the most insightful political commentators around and I have a lot of time for him.
Here is a good article of his over on Zerohedge which I recall reading about 2 years ago. He talks about when Americas moral bankruptcy started and he points to 1913 with the creation of both the Federal Reserve and the income tax in 1913, which made it possible to finance the country’s completely pointless entry into World War 1.
From there, with the New Deal, World War 2, Korea, the Great Society, Vietnam and so on, the US has gradually descended into becoming a very aggressive welfare/warfare state. It now has an overt government policy of inflating the currency, which constitutes a fraud, and running up the national debt, which is a swindle because it will never be repaid.
The thing that keeps me hopeful is the idea of America is not dead yet and is in fact getting stronger as evidenced by the Tea Party and Ron Paul getting amazing support in the Republican primaries by people who understand an idea “liberty”, will fight for it, and are heavily armed. Literally the battle for the free world is going to be fought on American soil – it’ll literally be the Government fighting its own people while all the free shit army perishes as Uncle Sugar turns off the fiat money tap as other countries say no to funding its debt.
If America goes full blown fascist/communist, the lights across the world will go out for centuries.
EAD, yes WW1 and 2 ,Vietnam, Iraq etc were payed for by deficit funding .How else do you suggest they should been funded.?Certainly not by Ron Paul and his funny money Gold Standard libertarian nonsense.
Ron Paul actually did relatively poorly in the Repblican primaries.in the two races he entered Rank and file GOP supporters found his loonie social economic thinking unacceptable.
US not gone into WWI.? .Debatable and there were Hitler fans like Charles Lindburgh who felt the same about about WW2. The iisolationist impulse exists in America as we see today with Ron Paul.
EAD, and this all can be solved by simply abolishing the Federal Reserve including most of the principal organs of Goverement.?But answer my question.?
How should wars like WWI and 2 and Iraq be funded.?
“Would it be fair to say Con Party supporters here are trying to promote an Islamic approach to rape culture where women are fair game no more than mere chattels ?”
Not only would it not be fair, it would be a lie.
That is by far the dumbest and most offensive post I think you have ever made, and I’m not even a Conservative Party voter.
Got a link to the Party website to show they are promoting anything at all like that? No? Thought not.
I want to thank Redbaiter, EAD and Stephie for giving the rest of us a warning about the dangers of becoming so extreme and so rabidly partisan that your mental health deteriorates and you cease have any connection to reality.
Shawn LH, you surprise me but not any more when yesterday you were staunchly defending the C P I believe. .
I opposed a question not a fact directed at certain C P supporters posting on this thread.
Not the Conservative Party itself .! Fact.!
But am glad to see , it appears according to you, the C P does in fact support most of our today’s Social consensus..I understand that Collin Craig in fact supports gays,.?
Correct me if am wrong.
PS your saying I’m not permitted to challenge Red baited and EAD in what in my opinion are some of their more strange views. ?
I hope that apt quote includes those on the extreme right like Red baited who is fond of demonizing those who disagree with as commies etc,etc
“Shawn LH, you surprise me but not any more when yesterday you were staunchly defending the C P”
Why? I’m a Conservative National voter, so I tend to oppose attacks on conservatism in general.
“But am glad to see , it appears according to you, the C P does in fact support most of our today’s Social consensus..I understand that Collin Craig in fact supports gays,.?”
I think you need to read their actual policies Stephie, as your comments generally seem to be plucked from your butt.
The CP approach seems to be moderately “small-c” conservative. On some issues they are slightly to the Right of National, and on some slightly to the Left.
They are not, and nor is any mainstream Conservative, trying to drag us back to the 19th century. Comments like that are just as dumb, and just as tiresome, as Red’s claim that John Key is a progressive socialist.
But the real issue is your hysteria driven campaign to smear them and their voters on a daily basis.
Is it too much to ask for some generally informed and intelligent commentary from you and Red?
The “Slimy” Manawatu Standard has come out on Billingsley’s side in the so-called sexual assault. It is time this media outlet was banished completely. Why is it that these left-wing scribes jump into bat for feminists . . . are they commanded to by Little?
“Shawn L H, your saying I’m not permitted to challenge Red baited and EAD in what in my opinion are some of their more strange views. ?”
Sure you are, but you rarely do. Most of your challenges are just smears against anyone and everyone on the Right, rather than specific challenges, and your own views on domestic politics are often just as extreme and strange.
Red claims JK supporters, even conservative ones such as myself, are traitors to his version of the the Cause. You claim that anyone on KB who opposes Obama’s policies is a racist.
To me, that makes you and Red as nutty as each other.
Note actually linking to reputable information not just unsupported hand waving and denial echo chamber talking points.
One twelfth correct is less than random chance that supports my theory you are deliberately wrong
You should change your handle to wrong often
As to Ead and Red, and maybe a couple of others here, I’m increasingly of the view that Traditionalist Conservatism is incompatible with the more extreme versions (Austrian School as one example) of libertarian economics.
Conservatives in the US, not all of them by any stretch, but too many, have adopted libertarian economics without any thought as to whether they are compatible with a conservative world view.
My opinion is that there are serious problems with that political marriage.
Here is some alternative thinking on a range of issues that respects the Conservative heritage.
Another source for alternative thinking, specifically on economics, is the Social Market model of the European Right, also known as Rhine Capitalism. In fact, in many respects, this seems to be the model that John Key is implementing in NZ.
One day Shawn you will wake up to the realization that you are not actually a conservative.
You are classically liberal economically and your stance is leaning more towards social liberal by the day.
The problem lies in the definition of conservative/ liberal and depends on your base for reference: as in a USA or English or NZs political landscape. .
I think Griff that it’s less that I’m not a conservative, and more that I’m willing to seek compromise, on some issues anyway. I’m still immovable when it comes to abortion for example.
I just think that ideas are made stronger and better, not by isolating themselves in either conservative or liberal ghettos, but by dialogue, debate, and seeking the Via Media (a very Anglican way of looking at things) between the extremes.
Despite Red’s rhetoric, the National Party for example is made stronger and better by having both conservatives and liberals in the same camp. To me this is likely to produce better policy then either would alone, and certainly better policy than a Labour/Green coalition.
Two Prime Ministers, One Speech
Who was pulling the strings of these two puppets? Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, 20 March 2003 and Australian Prime Minister John Howard 18 March 2003. In 2003, Stephen Harper and John Howard delivered largely identical speeches urging their nations to join George W. Bush’s Coalition of the Willing to go to war with Iraq.
Were do you sit ?
full on conservative is : not at all for any reason its killing undead baby’s
The shades of Its ok for genuine medical reasons as long as the risks to the baby or the mother are within a constraint? The degrees possible in this position are wide.
The position I have is it is a woman’s body not mine so abortion is not my or the governments business it is truly a choice between the medical professional and the woman involved. I would like to see a change towards the rights of the prospective father but dont know how this could be accomplished.
That is my view as a social liberal I dont think the government should restrict the choices you can make without a extreemly good cause.
The US now has a moral obligation to help the illegal entry kids.
Nope, a legal obligation courtesy of a 2008 bill passed unanimously by the House of Representatives.
Rep. Mike Rogers had an idea for how to deal with the 90,000 unaccompanied minors expected to cross the U.S. border this year. “Why aren’t we putting them on a bus like we normally do and sending them back down to Guatemala?” he said to Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson last month at a hearing on the child-migrant crisis lapping at our border.
“The law that was created in 2008 requires that we turn these kids over—if they are unaccompanied—to the Department of Health and Human Services within 72 hours generally,” Johnson replied. “So that’s what we do.”
Rogers was part of that very 110th Congress that passed the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act in 2008 by unanimous consent, no less. The act did many things to combat human trafficking worldwide—including providing assistance to foreign governments to combat abuse and increasing penalties for trafficking crimes. A small portion of the bill concerned added protections for unaccompanied children crossing the U.S. border. Specifically, kids from noncontiguous countries would be transferred to the Health and Human Services Department for care and processing. HHS would then be authorized to appoint advocates for the children and could work to unite the kids with families or place them in foster care.
Mikenmild, you need to go over the Whale. The story has been exposed as a beat up by the lesbian greens and the Wellington radical young feminist movement. The Standard is also implicated.
It seems there is MUCH more to this than we have been told or allowed to hear. There are grave doubts that the whole Billingsley thing is a stitch up, but of course the Left knew that before rushing to the media to destroy any chance of extradition much less a conviction.
Very ambiguous KB poll. Are you sorry for your gender?
Hell yes, I wish it was the males that had to give birth – that’d teach ‘em.
Hell yes, I wish it was the men that had to try walking up a flight of stairs in a skirt with high heels on.
Hell yes, we have to put up with men, where they get the privilege of putting up with us sweeties!
Are you sorry for your gender, hell yes, I have the greatest sympathy for us females!!
DPF – you might want to reword your poll, before you draw any conclusions from it.
@ grumpy (232 comments) says:
July 12th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
There is absolutely nothing that has been said by the victim that would effect the ability for the alleged offender to get a fair trial. She has not discussed the details of the crime, only the government’s handling of the process. That is not a matter of sub-judice, and would not even be allowed to be mentioned in the Court.
If the alleged offender is not returned to New Zealand, it is the people that were in charge of the situation, and the Malaysian government. There was plenty of opportunity for the alleged offender to return, before the victim spoke out. It is reasonably clear he was never going to return – which is not Nationals fault – they may have muddied the waters, but once that man got on that plane, he was never coming back – no matter what conversations took place between our two countries.
People seem to forget which country we are dealing with. One that was prepared to lie to world regarding a plane – stuff up an investigation to save the their own incompetence and protect their own.
If you read the left wing blogs, this Malaysian guy has already been convicted of rape, despite not even being charged. The radical feminist generated hysteria, in collusion with The Standard, Labour, Greens, NZ Herald and TV3 is very concerning.
Note that today all are deathly silent of the Rape Culture Billingsley beat up.
Judith, Billingsley is purely an anti male radical feminist. That has been proved conclusively on Whaleoil. She has form. The Law Society warned yesterday that this beatup likely meant there might not be a trial but they kept on going. It was only when Karol at The Standard admitted being involved in the beat up that information about Billingsley, her friends, her friends job, started coming out.
The issue was never about rape, it was about hits on John Key using rape as a shield of sanctimony where any questions as to the story could be claimed as attacking the “victim”.
The silence of the left today proves they know they have been rumbled and too late attempts are now being made to sanitize Billingsley and her friends internet footprint.
“there was virtually no economic growth before 1750, suggesting that the rapid progress made over the past 250 years could well be a unique episode in human history rather than a guarantee of endless future advances at the same rate.”
Professor Robert Gordon
“Is US Economic Growth Over?” (September 2012)
@ grumpy (234 comments) says:
July 12th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
So you are saying that this man was conned by left wing feminists to follow one of them home, break into her house and attempt to rape her – just so they could conduct a ‘beat up’ – and that our police, who investigated the issue, and decided there was a crime to answer to, were complacent with the left wing feminists, and what, I suppose the government employees that stuff up the negotiations to get the ‘complacent alleged rapist’ return, were also involved in the beat up??
So the Whale, JK’s shadow, is being his usual pathetic self, posting shit that gets him big money, and you all roll over and say ‘ more please’.
Until blubber balls can explain how come the police investigation found an actual crime had been committed, and that there was something to answer to – and until he can explain how an entire government department was also of that opinion – he has NOTHING – but then he never usually does, he talks more shit than he breathes air.
Not wrong Judith but they also serve to publicise true detail which politicians & journalists cover up because they don’t advance “the cause”. If screen shots have been kept (& Whale is an expert at this) then I would expect a different story to emerge.
Griff, I think abortion should be a crime. The only exceptions I’m willing to entertain are rape, incest, and threat to the mother’s life. Other than that, Doctors who perform it (NOT the pregnant women let’s be clear) should be criminally liable.
I don’t accept the “it’s not my body” argument because in this case it is not the women’s body in question, but the body of another human being who is defenseless and unable to speak for themselves.
And of course, as a conservative I have a very old fashioned way of approaching the issue of pregnancy. If you don’t want to get pregnant, don’t have sex in the first place.
@ grumpy (237 comments) says:
July 12th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Whale hasn’t posted any proof at all. He’s posted a series of snippets from conversations that are open to interpretation. The police charged the man, he was charged assault with intent to commit rape, and burglary. The police do not charge on serious crimes without investigating. If there was no evidence of any crime being committed they would not have charged the man.
You need to get over it – I have no doubt the left have made the most out of the government’s stuff up as they could – just as the right would have done if the roles were reversed – but there is a criminal investigation to answer to, and the man needs to appear in court to answer it – he won’t – his decision to leave the country indicates he knew they had evidence against him.
Other Andy, incest no longer taboo according to an Aussie judge.?
That’s where our social consensus will need to draw the line very firmly against including of course child sex.!
Thank you for postting that bit yesterday about Hamas and human shields.A lot of lies and misinformation about this directed against Israel by the gullible far left.
Pat Condell also notes how Hamas has made no effort to protect it’s people with bomb and air raid shelters .Hamas understand full well the propaganda value of their civilian deaths and injuries without regard to it’s cost.
grumpy (238 comments) says:
July 12th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
…and, Judith, the police did not charge him with attempted rape, you seem to have bought the left narrative.
I’m afraid dear Grumpy, it is you who have been ‘bought’ – he was charged with assault with intent to rape – and burglary. And that does not come from the ‘left’, unless McCully was lying – which I don’t believe he was.
@ nasska (10,475 comments) says:
July 12th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
I have no doubt that there have been many such conversations on the left – BUT the fact remains, the man was charged with crimes after a police investigation. That investigation found enough evidence to support the allegation that a crime had been committed by the alleged offender (Malaysian diplomat). The fact he was sufficiently worried that he left the country at his earliest convenience, also indicates there was evidence to support the charges.
Whale seems to be saying that ‘it never happened’ = he wishes!
Yes, I accept the left has encouraged the victim to make the most of the governments mismanagement – but I think you’re all pushing it up hill, if you claim Whale has evidence to prove the crime never happened. He’s playing you – giving you all selected snippets and using innuendo – like he always does – he never actually produces anything but open statements taken out of context.
If Whale had anything the correct and responsible thing to do would be to lay a complaint with the Police stating that a ‘false complaint’ had been made by the victim. He hasn’t done that – because he has NOTHING. He’s now guilty of doing the same – its a beat up – which I guess makes a change from what he’s usually beating.
I have little trouble accepting that in May something occurred, that the police investigated it & found sufficient cause to lay charges. From that point it was always destined to become murky because the accused had diplomatic status. Since I’m sure you know what this involves there’s not much to be gained by rehashing what that means to the Police, MFAT & the government but their hands are tied by a diplomatic agreement signed in 1961.
Ms Billingsley doesn’t present as a retard, therefore it’s not unreasonable to expect that she knew what was involved. Instead she runs off to Jan Logie & sets everything up to embarrass National in a way in which they couldn’t respond to.
So far okay…..all’s fair in love war & politics but it’s also fair & proper that she gets to feel the heat when people question her motives & the politics behind the facade.
EAD, kowtow, Manolo !Fletch Tom Hunter, Ed Snack etc,etc , this is such good news.!.The US unemployment rate drops tp levels not seen since the 1990s tech boom,
The 7.5% US unemployment rate, at its lowest level since 2008, seems to be telling a story of slow-but-steady recovery after the Great Recession and Financial Crisis. Unfortunately, the bulk of evidence suggests the “real” jobless rate is far higher. As the U-3 rate has fallen, so has the labor force participation rate, or LFPR. If the LFPR were at the same level as when the downturn began, the unemployment rate would be a stunning 11.3%.
I apologise if my post this morning was rather ‘strong worded’ but until you have seen/experienced what a fabricated sexual violation complaint does to an innocent person you really can’t understand or even begin to comprehend the horror.
mandk- The woman who lied and cried ‘rape’ was offered every kind of support and counselling under the planet from Police/Social Workers etc. The guy involved had his lawyer and a handful of friends who had the balls to stick by him.
There was no apology from any of these organisations when the truth finally came out. Nor any compensation for the tens of thousands of dollars he spent fighting to clear his name.
Stephieboy- I wont even dignify your trolling comment that my friend had something to hide with any response other than ultimately it didn’t even make it to trial.
I was contemplating suicide when Minus first had a go at me Nostradamus. I sat down and cleaned my shottie, checked out the expiry date on the double nought. Lovingly loaded the old Winchester for the last time with just one round then the wife yelled out and said “Johnboy…the pork chops are ready and the bottle store delivery driver is a knocking on the door”!
It’s all good – you haven’t received any demerits.
I’m not sure why Pete George thinks he has particular expertise on “rape culture”. His comment (“While many men have been momentarily miffed by accusations of guilt they can quickly move on to other things.”) was ill-advised. I don’t think it was a constructive contribution to the debate.
I think the minus syndrome displays the incredibly pathetic nature of the person responsible.
The poor retarded loser lacks the correct body parts both brains and balls to actually become involved in constructive debate or any meaningful attempt at belittling those he /she/it opposes.
The visualization of a fucked up drunken old sot sitting in a dark and dingy room wanking listlessly over the picture of a very stern nun in between bouts of maniacal down ticking those he dislikes on KB is probably extremely true to life.
The visualization of a fucked up drunken old sot sitting in a dark and dingy room wanking listlessly over the picture of a very stern nun in between bouts of maniacal down ticking those he dislikes on KB is probably extremely true to life.
That description is so good that it’s worthy of a literature prize!
Any thoughts on who the description might apply to?
I have wondered but have no conclusive evidence just conjecture
its a sour faced old conservonutter.
I have guessed at either kowtow or d4j in the past.
Kowtow does wade in with ineffective pussy punches occasionally so is not as pathetically powerless as minus.
The down ticks were happening before d4j rejoined Kb.
What is this nonsense about the Malaysian envoy leaving at the first available opportunity, wasn’t it a week? I am sure he could have got on an earlier flight if flight was the sole intention. He never surrendered his passport, that was to be on the 12th May I believe when there were discussions between officials and it was found that bail conditions did not apply.
President Barack Obama’s approval rating is higher among Muslims than any other religious group, a new poll says.
According to a Gallup poll released Friday that tracked responses for the first six months of 2014, 72 percent of Muslims said they approve of the president, compared with just 20 percent who disapprove.
Here we go again – first the Great Christchurch Buildings Trust (Christchurch Cathedral) and now the Hamilton East Community Trust (Euphrasie House):
A landmark Hamilton East building earmarked for demolition by the Catholic Church has been awarded the city’s highest heritage status.
Hamilton’s new district plan, released this week, lists Euphrasie House as a Category A heritage item, giving a timely boost to those fighting to save the 75-year-old mission house.
The Hamilton East Community Trust will head to the Environment Court next month to fight plans by the Catholic Diocese to bulldoze the Clyde St landmark.
… The building belongs to the Justice Ministry while the land is owned by Waikato Tainui.
City councillor Dave Macpherson said saving heritage buildings was a four-way partnership between the community, council, the Government and building owners.
The Methodist congregation’s low-key approach to the demolition of the St John’s Methodist Church was an example of what not to do, Macpherson said.
“Churches claim to be part of the community so where was the quid pro quo in a situation like this. In this day and age you’d think the church would realise it had a wider responsibility than just its own set of account books.”
Just a thought: those associated with the Hamilton East Community Trust, instead of spending money on Environment Court proceedings, could always buy the land from Tainui and then have their say?
Reading online could be making us dumber, a University of Victoria study has found.
The study of offline and online reading behaviour found spending hours glued to a computer screen had a negative impact on cognition, concentration, comprehension, absorption and recall rates.
And the evidence for this is…?
Victoria’s School of Information Management’s Dr Val Hooper said people today almost expected to be interrupted when using their computers.
“Many respondents said they had learnt to read faster and more selectively, which is positive, but also said they were more likely to remember material they had read offline. It was still common practice for many people to print out material they considered most important,” Dr Hooper said.
Oh dear! So this was actually a lovey-dovey “how do you feel” self-assessment study…
The research revealed readers were motivated by three main reasons – seeking information, reading for work or study, and for pleasure.
Amazing! Can anyone think of any other reasons for reading?
Still, on the Bright side (if you’ll excuse the pun), Dr Hooper has some good advice for Penny Not-So:
“As educators I think it makes sense to look at getting messages across in ways in which readers expect to receive it now, rather than how it was given in the past. Long chunks of text aren’t exactly going to appeal to today’s students.”
“So calling her a ‘Helen Kelly type-snake’ is perfectly okay with you Shawn?”
Do you know her personally? No. So how do you know what she is like?
She may well be what igm says, she may not. But questioning her integrity is perfectly valid. You seem to not want any questions asked, or any digging about her, or anything at all.
The fact is Mike, nobody other than her and the man in question knows what happened. Until we do, and given the obvious political partisanship she displays, and her willingness to politicize the issue and use it to attack National as a whole, then it is perfectly valid to ask questions about, and criticize what might be her motivations.
But I suspect that is all just terrible inconvenient for a Labour supporter. Which would be fine if you could just dredge up enough integrity and honesty to admit that.
I had to show my face at a Bogan funeral today.
I felt like a fish out of water. I don’t ride a Harley.
The undertaker and me were the only ones there with a tailored jacket on. The undertaker was the only person there wearing a tie.
But the part that got me was that; on the wettest day in the past two years; just 20 days after the winter solstice; the number of blokes there wearing sunglasses was incredible.
How do those Bogans get on around January?
A fascinating beast. The majority of the species are hideously repugnant and unintelligent, and yet they manage to breed in ever-increasing numbers and populate an area known as the outer west. It is quite common to find five or six offspring in each family group, often with a different father for each new baby.
Their habitat consists of a weatherboard or brick-veneer dwelling and is characterised by an early-model Holden or Ford in the driveway surrounded by a group of males discussing why the carby is stuffed and the results of last night’s footy (a primitive gladiator-like spectator sport enjoyed by most bogans).
The female of the species, while smaller in stature, is far more loud and aggressive than the male. While the males tend to be very friendly and congregate with other males, the females spend most of their time in supermarkets and shopping malls, using a shrill high-pitched call to discipline their children and contact other females.
Males and females rarely interact socially except during breeding season, which is otherwise known as Friday night. During this time, females are allowed to enter the male-dominated area known as “the pub” and display their impressive coloured plumage to a prospective mate.
Herein lies an intersting phenomenon. Males will often fight over a particularly attractive female and she will mate with only one male, while some less attractive females have been known to have several partners simultaneously.
Ahhhh. The wonders of nature.
Attrib. to Chris Franklin, Eric Bana as “Poida” on Fast Forward
Val’s research focuses on the strategic alignment between IS [Information Systems] and business, and the impact of that alignment on business performance. She is also exploring the impact of IS on productivity. Further research interests embrace “the dark side of IT”, which includes cybersecurity, online gambling, online auctions, the addictiveness of IT, and the development of online social networking behavioural norms.
Val often employs a dyadic perspective in her research and is equally at home conducting either quantitative or qualitative research.
I consider myself to be fairly literate, but WTF does a “dyadic perspective” mean?
Measuring Dyadic Perspective-Taking: Two Scales for Assessing Perspective-Taking in Marriage and Similar Dyads
This article reports on the development and preliminary assessment of two paper-and-pencil measures of dyadic perspective-taking. Dyadic perspective-taking is defined as the imaginative tendency to put oneself in the place of a partner. The Self Dyadic Perspective-Taking Scale (SDPT) assesses the dyadic perspective-taking of self. The Other Dyadic Perspective-Taking Scale (ODPT) evaluates the dyadic perspective-taking of the other. Three separate studies evaluated the reliability and validity of the two measures. Results indicated that both scales had what could be considered adequate validity and reliability. Shortcomings, uses for the scales, and suggestions for future research were discussed.
Oh dear – this sort of stuff gives academia a bad name!
That social shit aint science .
Or not as I understand the term .
I would view it more as a religion or branch of philosophy.
Dyad (sociology) – as an adjective, describes the interaction between a pair of individuals. A dyad can be linked via general communication, romantic interest, family relation, interests, work, partners in crime, and so on.
I sent Val an email referring her to this site (and your critique of her effort) so she is able to get
some feedback from the man in the street on the puke she puts out.
Have you ever seen such absolute shit on a CV ever.
This puke may have worked for her in South Africa but it will not pass the bullshit smell test here.
Maybe the drongs at Wellington Uni can be conned but normal people just laugh.
How did she manage to get this crap reported as “news’ on Yahoo ?
Wikipedia, for what it’s worth, defines “social science” as follows:
Social science is an academic discipline concerned with society and the relationships among individuals within a society. It includes anthropology, economics, political science, psychology and sociology. In a wider sense, it may often include some fields in the humanities such as archaeology, history, law, and linguistics.
I agree that what might be called “pure science” falls into a very different category.
Edit: I’ve been trying to post a link to the article. The abstract says:
This study explored the impact of the Internet on our reading behaviour. Using an exploratory survey, it examined the online and offline reading behaviour of individuals, and determined the underlying patterns, the differences between online and offline reading, and the impacts of the online environment on individuals’ reading behaviour. The findings indicated that there were definite differences between people’s online and offline reading behaviours. In general, online reading has had a negative impact on people’s cognition. Concentration, comprehension, absorption and recall rates were all much lower while reading online than offline.
The article is available for purchase ($10) for those who are interested. I’m going to spend my money on coffee instead.