Rock Enrol and the unions

July 19th, 2014 at 4:30 pm by David Farrar

I blogged previously on , and noted it is difficult to be seen as non-partisan when the band you are trying to get for your concerts is infamous for hating John Key and National, and singing obscenities about them.

I support their aim of increasing youth enrolments, but remain skeptical about their desire to have young people enrol if they are right wing.

I’m not sure if it is intentional, but they have put their 80 day campaign on Google Docs and have it set for public view. A few interesting points. They say their aim is:

Hold the government to account on behalf of the YouthVoter block through effective advocacy, political pressure & campaigning

Which looks more like being a lobby group, not a neutral enrolment service. There is no one set view from young people so no group can represent the youth voter bloc. They can only represent the people who agree with them.

CTU, NZUSA, NZNO & Unite Unions to assist with access to calling software ($11.5k), office spaces (nationwide) + volunteer mailing list

So the unions are effectively funding them. Now that’s fine, but this sort of information should be public, that they are union funded.

A commitment to share data with ActionStation and Oxfam to aid long-term strategy

Both very left-wing groups

CTU are paying for Amicus Calling software. CTU & PSA to train 5000 volunteers for GOAV calling (mid Aug – Sep 20). RockEnrol data to be entered into database to be called as well during this time. RockEnrol + Generation Zero volunteers will also call data

Generation Zero is also a left-wing group. Now there is nothing wrong with that again, just the Electoral Commission should be aware that this is not a non-partisan group, no matter how much they claim to be. They are not party political, but they are a left group.

Reach 4500 18 – 24yo through civics programme (approx. 150 workshops nationwide through PSA, NZUSA, ACE & PPTA)

A different set of unions, but basically all their collaboration is with unions – which to a man are dedicated to the defeat of National.

GOTV: Volunteers to have over 20,000 one-to-one conversations

Now this is interesting. It’s one thing to get people enrolled. But another to be calling them on election day, and urging them to vote – an activity normally done by political parties. Will they be calling people in Epsom urging them to vote, or only in strong Labour areas?

Partner with organisations that have underused volunteer networks (NZUSA, PSA, VSA, CTU)

The Young Nationals have around 5,000 members. But Rock Enrol never approached them until there was publicity about it.

In August (1st – 20th), we will run a PledgeMe campaign for $5000. This will be matchfunded by Derek Handley and one other well-known businessman or possibly ActionStation/CTU (??)

So they may also get funded directly by the CTU.

They also have a script for an ad:

Announcer: Voting only takes 30 second. Learn who to vote for at yvote.co.nz and be prepared for Election Day.

Now it gets even more interesting. Again they are not just enrolling people, but will be encouraging them to go to a website they run which will advise them on who to vote for.

I wish Rock Enrol every luck at getting those who agree with their politics to get people to enrol and vote. That is what democracy is about. But I think National MPs and candidates (and others) should be very cautious about giving support to a union backed group whose mission isn’t just to get people to enrol, but to turn into a lobby group that will advocate on behalf of the left.

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32 Responses to “Rock Enrol and the unions”

  1. labrator (1,847 comments) says:

    Is this info supposed to be public? No one has even registered yvote.co.nz yet…

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  2. igm (1,413 comments) says:

    Shows what Kelly is capable of!

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  3. FeralScrote (204 comments) says:

    Yeah quick ,elect a teenager while they still know everything.

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  4. Kimble (4,434 comments) says:

    Of course they can represent all youth. Dont you know by now that the Left ALWAYS know whats best for everybody?

    Youth are part of everybody, so the Left know what they should do and how they should think and who they should be voting for.

    Only by joining together and doing exactly what the Left thinks we should do, can we ever have a hope of saving ourselves from whatever it is that the Left think we should want to be saved from!

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  5. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    Unfortunately for ‘Rock Enrol’ Young Sid isn’t exactly a huge name with any kids outside The ‘Killa Beez’ gang…

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  6. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    Someone want to buy the domain (and some of the.org or .kiwi options)? I am happy to provide funds but dont want my name on it. Around $53 to put one up them.

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  7. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Generation Zero is also a left-wing group.

    Source?

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  8. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    Google it yourself?

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  9. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    They also have a script for an ad:

    Announcer: Voting only takes 30 second. Learn who to vote for at yvote.co.nz and be prepared for Election Day.

    Now it gets even more interesting. Again they are not just enrolling people, but will be encouraging them to go to a website they run which will advise them on who to vote for.

    If their website really will be “advis[ing]” people who to vote for, then they probably won’t be able to run this ad on radio or TV (it’ll be an “election programme”). But that’s not what it says the website will do. It says it’ll be a place where people can “learn who to vote for” … which I’d take to mean will present people with the parties’ various policy positions and allow them to make up their own mind which best fits their preferences. Which (unlike the Climate Voter website) would fall so outside of electoral regulation.

    Of course, if the website does more than this, you can complain to the Electoral Commission about it. In fact, you can even take (another) case to the High Court and seek a declaration that their activities in advertising a partisan website on the broadcast media are unlawful!

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  10. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Google it yourself?

    Did. This tells me they want a “zero carbon future” to avoid catastrophic climate change and that John Minto hates them.

    So … source?

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  11. Gulag1917 (884 comments) says:

    Union membership is in decline globally and political agitation speeds up the process.

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  12. wrightingright (143 comments) says:

    How will they be calling people to vote? Does the electoral have people’s phone numbers, & do they have access to that? Or will they be using phone numbers submitted to their website?

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  13. wrightingright (143 comments) says:

    > “They also have a script for an ad:”

    Oh hang on… I thought there is restrictions around political advertising on TV?

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  14. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    AG@
    “So … source?”

    Good to see you require a high standard for casual claims of partisanship, AG, so …

    Fortunately, our political overlords may rest easy. For the Taxpayers’ Union has issued a simple and handy formula for determining whether such rambles are acceptable. Applying this formula will in all cases determine the matter.
    [...]
    Finally, apply the partisan discount factor to each of these variables. If the representative in question is from a party for which you are a thinly disguised front organisation, you should both down play any expenses (“of course it’s going to cost money for the PM to do his job!”) and puff up any outcomes (“it’s the PM’s role to be out-and-about in the community! The extra attention brought to the NZ Open will help establish it as a world-class event!”).

    …Do you have a source for your bolded claim above (as quoted on Pundit blog)?

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  15. jonno1 (81 comments) says:

    @AG: “So … source?”

    Generation Zero were sponsors of (or, at least, exhibitors at) the 2013 Labour Party conference, so there’s a clue. See the penultimate page of this link. https://www.labourparty.org.nz/sites/default/files/Labour%20Party%20Conference%20Programme%202013%20Final%20print.pdf for evidence. So not impartial at all. However, there did not appear to be any sponsors for the 2014 Labour Party Congress!

    Oh, and GZ’s mantra regarding the global warming / anthropogenic climate change meme is a pretty powerful clue in itself. A shame really; if the members applied their undoubted intellect to suggesting genuine solutions to transport / congestion issues without demeaning it with that nonsense they could be quite a powerful force for good.

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  16. graham71 (12 comments) says:

    Clue one is that it’s led by the youth
    Clue 2 is concern about climate change
    99%of the youth couldn’t give a shit about politics
    They are either in young nats or the left wing equivalent
    Young nats won’t be attacking the government
    So if an educated person can’t see that they are being obtuse
    Or just plan stupid
    Which is it mr ag

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  17. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    …Do you have a source for your bolded claim above (as quoted on Pundit blog)?

    Thanks for reading!

    Yes. I do have a source. Here it is: http://taxpayers.org.nz/pages/who-we-are

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  18. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    “Thanks for reading!”

    You’re welcome!

    “Yes. I do have a source. Here it is:””

    Ok, so if DPF links to Generation Zero’s website, are we all good?

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  19. itstricky (1,801 comments) says:

    I wish Rock Enrol every luck at getting those who agree with their politics to get people to enrol and vote. That is what democracy is about. But I think National MPs and candidates (and others) should be very cautious about giving support to a union backed group whose mission isn’t just to get people to enrol, but to turn into a lobby group that will advocate on behalf of the left.

    I don’t get your point. Are you saying National are considering giving support to them? This post just seems to be a bit of a whine. I don’t see you whining about the partisan nature of the Taxpayer’s Union. Oh look, someone else has said that as well.

    In fact, here’s something topical:

    http://taxpayers.org.nz/blogs/news/14875741-party-party-politics-and-the-taxpayers-purse

    Say what? What, exactly? He’s saying that they are using tax payer funds to “prop up a political party”… Que? The NZ on Air funding is completely and utterly mutually exclusive to being invited to perform at any gig of any type whatsoever. That is quite possibly about as tenious attempt at an association as you can get. Grasp… straws… grasp… damn straws…damn…grasp

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  20. AG (1,824 comments) says:

    Ok, so if DPF links to Generation Zero’s website, are we all good?

    If the folks running Generation Zero consist of three Green Party/Labour Party activist members under the figurehead of some ex-journo, then yes, there is a direct comparison to be drawn. I accept that.

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  21. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    I thought it was interesting that Generation Zero’s Facebook page had a post praising Germany for having a third of its electricity generation coming from renewable sources, while New Zealand is accused of being a bad actor on climate change – despite 72% of its generation coming from renewables.

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  22. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    Generation Zero is also a left-wing group.

    Source?

    If the folks running Generation Zero consist of three Green Party/Labour Party activist members under the figurehead of some ex-journo, then yes, there is a direct comparison to be drawn. I accept that.
    Why three? Interesting that AG chose Generation Zero. Why not Action Station?

    What is ActionStation?

    ActionStation is here to enable the large community of Kiwis with shared progressive values to take powerful, coordinated action on urgent issues we care about.

    “Progressive” is usually associated with the left wing. They say:

    Who’s behind ActionStation?

    Independent and member-led, we are affiliated with no political party, and answer only to our members.

    The website is ” Authorised by Megan Salole” – she has been involved in setting up Action Station.

    Megan Salole is a social innovator and agitator who is actively championing green issues, social justice and democratic voice.

    http://www.philanthropy.org.nz/node/8563

    And Megan has more then an interest in green issues, she was Green campaign director last election.

    Campaign Kickoff! with Megan Salole

    Megan Salole, National Campaign Manager, introduces hersef and kicks off the campaign!

    https://my.greens.org.nz/campaign-resources/campaign-kickoff-with-megan-salole

    See also her LinkedIn Overview, Past:

    National Campaign Manager at Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand

    National Campaign Manager at Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand

    http://nz.linkedin.com/in/megansalole

    Her web page About Me:

    I ran the 2011 Green Party National Campaign.

    I am in the process of establishing ActionStation – New Zealand’s own progressive community here to active call power to account.

    And Metiria Turei commented on an Action Station job advertisement on her Facebook page: “Jobs like this are rare, closes Friday”.

    Talking of Facebook, earlier this year Megan had a Generation Zero graphic on her cover page. Details of all of this: How Green is ActionStation?

    There’s more at Happyzine, including:

    8. Who should be NZ’s Prime Minister and why?
    I am interested in a Co-Prime Ministership, and look forward to a time when extraordinary politicians like Metiria Turei and Russel Norman are at the helm.

    http://happyzine.co.nz/2012/06/13/world-changer-megan-salole-actionstation-intersect-and-more/

    The Action Station web address is registered under this name:

    registrant_contact_name: Joseph Cederwall

    http://www.whois.com/whois/actionstation.org.nz

    Joe was involved in ‘Stand Up’, along with Megan, from which Action Station has evolved.

    StandUp, an independent, citizen-led platform for online activism, will begin campaigning in New Zealand next month.

    The first campaigns will potentially target asset sales, paid parental leave, coal mining in conservation areas and a sustainable rebuild in Christchurch.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1204/S00256/online-campaign-group-launched.htm

    There’s more than a little hint of left wing there.

    ‘We will enable tens of thousands of Kiwis to have their say,’ said acting director Joe Cederwall, a Wellington barrister. ‘New Zealanders believe in a fair go, yet there’s a glaring disconnect between the values of the majority and the actions of government and business. StandUp will collaborate with the growing progressive movement, to bring participation back into politics.’

    There’s that word “progressive” again.

    Joe’s profile on Loomio:

    Oh – I’m Joseph Cederwall. I am a Lawyer, social entrepeneur and currently co-editing a journal on ‘the commons’ as well as working on a crowd investment platform. I was part of the team that founded ActionStation with the goal of seeing it create a citizen led campaigning tool and currently act as secretary of the society. I am currently very interested in exploring the potential of a ‘commons’ approach to resource ownership in New Zealand and how this could radically change the way we deal with issues such as indigenous sovereignty and environmental stewardship in the future.

    https://www.loomio.org/d/4TqCUjIo/welcome-introduce-yourself-here
    </blockquote
    Joe is keen on the Commons approach, see http://www.projectfreerange.com/author/joe-cederwall/ – this seems to be an alternative to property ownership and people holding wealth.

    As AG likes to see three connections here's another:

    Laura O’Connell-Rapira is our Campaigns Director focusing on membership engagement. She’s been doing amazing things with RockEnrol and Oxfam, and we are thrilled to have her.

    There’s those RockEnrol and Oxfam names again. And this from Volunteering New Zealand:

    Campaign Director, Laura O’Connell-Rapira has joined forces with youth-led groups Generation Zero, AskAway and The Wireless, as well as various promoters, venue owners, and event organisers to build and activate political power for young people in Aotearoa.

    And there’s that Generation Zero name again. And again here:

    Who wants to be a Climate Voter?

    Game shows don’t come with a bigger jackpot than a safe climate future.
    Brought to you by Generation Zero.

    Panel discussion – Laura O’Connell-Rapira.

    On Laura’s Facebook page:

    Organising a RockEnrol + AUSA – Auckland University Students’ Association + Generation Zero bass + beats + hip hop night on Thursday 24th July at SHADOWS TAVERN – your student bar. We have booked Third3ye + Tali.

    https://www.facebook.com/laura.oc.rapira/posts/10152580779133708

    Her take on Action Station:

    ActionStation is getting ready to launch. Led by you, we are committed to making New Zealand a more fair and equitable country with thriving environments and an accountable government.

    https://www.facebook.com/laura.oc.rapira/posts/10152578477393708

    And up to July 2 2014 she worked at another name in common, Oxfam:

    My last day at Oxfam NZ today. Thanks for the good times team. I love the wonderful work you do to bring about a fairer, safer, more sustainable & equitable world.

    https://www.facebook.com/laura.oc.rapira/posts/10152577475323708

    Laura organised a picnic and concert in March:

    Another young organiser is Laura O’Connell-Rapira from Laingholm who is running New Zealand’s first post-carbon picnic and holding a concert with a one-of-a-kind soundsystem.

    She specialises in creating “people powered parties with purpose” such as the post-carbon picnic which will encourage people to “share more and waste less” she says.

    “It’s a celebration of what our lives will look like without being so dependent on fossil fuels, while also getting to experience the amenities New Lynn has to offer,” Ms O’Connell-Rapira says.

    “The whole idea is to get a conversation going around how we use transport, food and how we consume material possessions and energy.”

    Teachings in Dub with Lion Rockers HiFi will raise money for Generation Zero with reggae music blasting from the home-built, giant Lion Rock soundsystem.

    http://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/9849075/Try-out-weed-dating

    A fundaiser for Generation Zero.

    Matthew Beveridge also addressed the leftishness of Rock Enrol and it’s connections with other organisations in ROCK ENROL: NON PARTISAN OR NOT?

    A group of young voters have started an organisation called Rock Enrol. It is based on the Rock the Vote campaign in the US.

    On this page they make the following claim “Rock Enrol is a non-partisan campaign”. But there are some things that indicate this may not be the case.

    The three people behind Rock Enrol are Laura O’Connell-Rapira, Sam Dyson and Lizzie Sullivan.

    Laura O’Connell-Rapira has been in the media before, ‘Business hippie’ plans $1m eco retreat, she also runs Our Place Events, who claim to be “tree huggers”.

    Sam Dyson is a key person in the Generation Zero campaign.

    Lizzie Sullivan has been a little harder to track down, however a Elizabeth Sullivan made a submission against the VSM bill on behalf of The Victoria University Young Greens.

    I also found a linkedin profile in the same name that has a number of details that indicate it is the same person. Who has worked for Caritas.

    http://www.matthewbeveridge.co.nz/politics/rock-enrol-non-partisan-or-not/

    There seem to be quite a few people and organisations in common here. And a number of issues in common with the Greens and Generation Zero.

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  23. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    I’ve posted a response to AG requesting sources, it’s gone into moderation due to the number of links so I’ve posted here to:

    http://yournz.org/2014/07/20/rockenrol-and-action-station/

    See also http://www.matthewbeveridge.co.nz/politics/rock-enrol-non-partisan-or-not/

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  24. BlairM (2,321 comments) says:

    There should be a campaign discouraging people from voting. Every other vote cast dilutes mine. If people really want their vote to count, they should want as few other people voting as possible.

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  25. Pete George (23,481 comments) says:

    There’s obvious similarities between Generation Zero’s focus on climate change, sustainability, cleaner energy and transport and reducing fossil fuel use to the Green Party environmental policies. And also to the Internet Party’s environmental policies.

    This will be obvious when Generation Zero rate the parties during this campaign as they rated candidates for local body elections (with strong correlations between support for their aims and left wing candidates).

    While environmental policies needn’t be exclusive to the left (and they aren’t) both the Greens and IP are regarded as left wing parties, so it aligns Generation Zero fairly clearly with the left of New Zealand politics.

    Generation Zero publicly indicated support for aspects of the Labour and Greens’ policies, including the focus on renewable energy and energy efficiency.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1304/S00295/generation-zero-welcomes-focus-on-electricity-industry.htm

    Generation Zero Tells the Naked Truth About Our Transport Future:

    Generation Zero’s has launched its 50/50 campaign, which is calling for the Government to allocate a greater share of its transport spending to “smart transport” options such as public transport and cycleways.

    And…

    Generation Zero lays down election challenge in new report

    Youth organisation Generation Zero has released a report today calling for political parties to show leadership on climate change by committing to develop and implement a plan that will see New Zealand phase out fossil fuels for all energy and transport needs by 2050.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1405/S00034/generation-zero-lays-down-election-challenge-in-new-report.htm

    That’s far removed from Act or National policies.

    Generation Zero focus is clearly far more closely aligned with the left than the right in New Zealand.

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  26. Judith (8,534 comments) says:

    @ BlairM (2,285 comments) says:
    July 20th, 2014 at 7:36 am

    Feeling a bit challenged by democracy are we? :-)

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  27. rouppe (967 comments) says:

    A commitment to share data with ActionStation and Oxfam to aid long-term strategy

    Are they disclosing to all those that sign up that their details are being given away to other organisations? If not, isn’t that a privacy act breach?

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  28. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    As you point out PG, environmental causes aren’t limited to the left, so it would be unwise to call GZ left wing on that basis alone; but based on the company they keep, calling them left wing seems a smaller claim than accusing the Taxpayers’ Union of being a “front” for the National Party because of one member’s very public links to the latter (despite the fact that the TU has criticised government bureaucratic waste on more than one occasion).

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  29. itstricky (1,801 comments) says:

    Except, well, I don’t see any “balance” at all in any of the members of the TPU, not just DPF. Case in point -: trying to suggest NZ on Air money is “political backing” for MIP – Good God man, they make songs!

    Did he actually say they were a “front”? I would just suggest the TPU have got particular political morals, but, just like Rock Enrol, they call themselves unbiased. That’s different to being a “front”

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  30. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    @itstricky
    The quote in my July 19th, 2014 at 8:21 pm comment was from AG’s Pundit blog.

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  31. itstricky (1,801 comments) says:

    I still don’t think he was saying they were a “front”. Inclined to view particular Government spending a particular way, sure. But a front? Do you have a link for the whole article?

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  32. adze (2,106 comments) says:

    @itstricky
    Well, I quoted AG’s own words, so I’m not sure where your doubt is coming from. Maybe it was simply a bit of snark that he allows himself for what is clearly a mostly left-aligned readership. But even then he can hardly expect DPF to be as pure as the driven snow with similar comments on his own blog.

    Here is the article : http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/lets-all-pick-on-the-deaf-girl

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