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cmm

Mz Devoid is now saying little Miss Potty Mouth iis brave to have stood up to the Mean Racist.

Typical bloody lefties… just double down.
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January 9, 2017 2:33pm
- itstricky
  
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  Keep it up cmm, that’s only comment 200 about being offended about someone else’s offence taking.
  
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  January 9, 2017 2:38pm
  - cmm
    
    This is nothing to do with taking offense.
    
    This is about a good man being kicked in the balls and being destroyed to serve the gods of SJWs.
    
    This man went out of his way to try help this “lady” and that’s how he gets treated.
    
    Next time I see a female or a Maori in distress I think I might just have to keep on going. Why get involved? You will probably cop abuse instead.
    
    That’s what happened to an extent in Cologne when the Muslims got all grabby. Why didn’t the European men step up and protect the women? Well why should they?
    
    And so we take yest another step that destroys the fabric of society….. That seems to be the ultimate goal of these lefty SJWs.
    
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    January 9, 2017 2:51pm
    - itstricky
      
      This is nothing to do with taking offense.
      
      Little Miss Potty Mouth? Mean Racist? Devoid?
      
      Sure sounds like it to me.
      
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      January 9, 2017 3:16pm
      - pentwig
        
        One can only assume that you are a very ignorant and unintelligent person itstricky.
        
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        January 9, 2017 8:13pm
      - itstricky
        
        Now, now, let’s not make an ass out of you and me, pentwig.
        
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        January 9, 2017 9:00pm
    - itstricky
      
      Next time I see a female or a Maori in distress I think I might just have to keep on going.
      
      How very grown up of you.
      
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      January 9, 2017 3:17pm
      - cmm
        
        So why would I want to stop and help someone if all I’m doing is opening myself up for abuse?
        
        I used to hold doors open for men and women. After being abused a few times by feminists I now do some “profiling” and no longer open hold doors open for people who look like they’re going to give me shit about it.
        
        We used to care about people in society, but that’s getting harder to do.
        
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        January 9, 2017 3:28pm
      - Reid
        
        I deliberately hold open doors for people who look like they’d be pissed off plus innocently use language I know they’ll hate as well: “come on through my dear” etc.
        
        It’s my own little silent protest.
        
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        January 9, 2017 4:45pm
      - MCos
        
        I have held doors open for all sorts of people over the years, cmm, given way to ladies & all that sort of standard stuff blokes have always done.
        Never been set upon once.
        For that matter I’ve never seen anyone abused for holding a door open.
        
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        January 9, 2017 4:48pm
      - itstricky
        
        I, too, have never witnessed that. Not upon door opening, weight carrying, public transport seat relinquishing, direction giving, rain jacket giving… Can’t think of a single one that hasn’t been graciously received or declined.
        
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        January 9, 2017 5:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm,
      
      “That’s what happened to an extent in Cologne when the Muslims got all grabby. ” ???
      
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      January 9, 2017 5:08pm
      - Manolo
        
        Your fellow Muslims, perennially sexually-repressed, are always “grabby” and grubby.
        
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        January 9, 2017 6:47pm
      - pentwig
        
        dont you understand that steffie?
        bet you wish you had an education!
        
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        January 9, 2017 8:22pm
      - itstricky
        
        Bet you wish you could use capital letters and apostrophes!
        
        Jees, what is it with you, do you just wander around looking for fights?
        
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        January 9, 2017 9:09pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Snowflakes…
    
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    January 9, 2017 2:53pm
    - itstricky
      
      The number of KB comments is probably now higher than Ms Bridger’s original FB post.
      
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      January 9, 2017 3:23pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Are you being racist itstricky?.
        Her name is Ms Wharepapa-Bridger.
        Leaving out the Māori bit, tut tut.
        
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        January 9, 2017 3:56pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        The number of KB comments is probably now higher than Ms Bridger’s original FB post
        
        But still fewer than the number of Fucks contained in her on line rant.
        
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        January 9, 2017 4:08pm
      - itstricky
        
        Leaving out the Māori bit, tut tut.
        
        SJW
        
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        January 9, 2017 5:31pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Surely she has to be a plant to make people realise how useless and irrelevant the position is? It’s either that or she ran into too many squash court walls in her playing days.
  
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  January 9, 2017 2:44pm
- SPC
  
  I’m offended by the misogny in calling Waiheke, white MANS island.
  
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  January 9, 2017 5:37pm
- RF
  
  Jesus H Christ this woman Devoy is the worst flip flopper I have ever heard of.
  
  When is her term up as she is an embarrassment ?
  
  Just another bloody sports person given a title and job because she liked playing sport.
  
  This is so pathetic when you see far more deserving people who actually do good and are not recognised.
  
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  January 9, 2017 5:51pm
Manolo

Who doesn’t love Paris?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4099124/Paris-police-accused-stealing-BLANKETS-migrants-freezing-conditions-try-force-streets.html

Police in Paris are threatening the lives of homeless migrants by stealing their blankets as temperatures drop to freezing, a leading international aid agency claimed today.

It is all part of a campaign of harassment aimed at getting unwanted foreigners off the streets of the French capital.
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January 9, 2017 2:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bit cold in the other hemisphere

https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2017/jan/08/freezing-conditions-cause-death-and-chaos-across-europe
http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38550369
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January 9, 2017 2:36pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  When it’s unusually warm, that’s evidence of climate change. When it’s unusually cold, it’s just bad weather.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:28pm
mandk

Stuff has a headline: “Waitangi a cringe for many Kiwis”.
Too bloody true, although I suspect it’s a cringe for most Kiwis.

Let’s dump Waitangi Day as a public holiday and have another winter holiday instead. There’s too much of a gap between Queen’s Birthday and Labour Day.
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January 9, 2017 2:42pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I’m not a huge supporter of Bill,
  
  But…
  
  He is this country’s democratically elected dictator.
  And it’s pretty big kick in the balls for all NZers when their democratically elected leader is not allowed to speak at a NATIONAL holiday by the kumara mafia.
  
  I’m insulted and I’m not even from NZ originally.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:21pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The reply makes it clear that only ‘Maori representatives’ will be allowed to speak. So it cannot function as a national day.
    
    Our first government was formed on 15 April 1856, a more significant historical event than the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. That would be an ideal replacement.
    
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    January 9, 2017 3:37pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    My family arrived from England before the signing of the Treaty. Doesn’t that me Tangatawhenua? ?
    
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    January 9, 2017 5:15pm
    - Viking2
      
      Mine to and to keep the buggers from killing one another. Look at the thanks we get for their gallant efforts.
      
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      January 9, 2017 6:15pm
      - mikenmild
        
        How did they stop the killing?
        
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        January 9, 2017 6:25pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        How do you think.
        Alcohol, KFC and Bongo Vans.
        
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        January 9, 2017 6:33pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      you are born here and a kiwi, that makes you tangata whenua…
      
      http://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?keywords=tangata+whenua
      
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      January 9, 2017 6:19pm
- Liberty
  
  Good on you Bill.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:05pm
billmurray

Well done Bill English ‘our Prime Minister’ in saying that he will not attend the ‘Treaty of Waitangi” celebrations because he would not be allowed to speak at certain functions, the pox on Maori who have stopped him, the pox on Andrew Little who is supporting these deadbeats. The pox on the Labour Party who are supporting Little.
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January 9, 2017 2:47pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  A very astute call by the PM. His not pussyfooting around on this issue sends a clear message that he will not be dictated to by Maori radicals. He’ll get a lot of support over this, and Angry will plunge further in the polls for criticising him.
  
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  January 9, 2017 5:06pm
- Viking2
  
  Pity he is going there at all. He is just not going to the TITI marae
  Enough to piss of the Hawera’s I suppose.
  
  And better still angry thinks he should so that must mean Bill’s on the right track.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:16pm
- cha
  
  he would not be allowed to speak at certain functions
  
  He ~~would not be allowed to speak at certain functions~~ can’t be arsed following his host’s protocols.
  
  fify
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  we will provide a stage and forum for the Prime Minister to engage with Ngapuhi, address the Nation and talk politics freely and uninhibited, if he so wishes.
  
  http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/WaitangiLetters-2.jpg
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/88223249/pm-bill-english-wont-attend-waitangi-day-commemorations
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:28pm
  - pentwig
    
    Oh dear Cha!
    Our Prime Minister is not giving you a chance to demean and embarrass him.
    How sad for you!
    Good on you Bill.
    
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    January 9, 2017 9:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Looks like the worm is finally turning for Auckland house prices. Seems like supply is finally catching up with demand, something that was always going to take years to fix.
I wonder if Nick Smith will get any credit for this.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/88227188/auckland-median-house-price-dropped-in-december-barfoot–thompson-says

Come in Hugh………….
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January 9, 2017 2:51pm
- Happychappy
  
  Hugh’s turned pollster posting already how National are plunging in the poll, expert on everything but master of none.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:08pm
  - Viking2
    
    All depends on immigration. don’t forget the pressure is off accommodation right now but will ramp back up with a few weeks as the students return from oversea’s and new ones arrive.
    
    Plenty of people moving to the provinces. Spent the day at Tarawiti Musemn and talking to people from round NZ and all saying the same thing. Jaffa’s leaving and going to other towns. Opanake has a bunch of new houses as does Hawera and Stratford. Stratford a new house with half an acre 500 mtrs from town $480K.
    Plenty to do if you are retired and not even a traffic jam to be seen at 5.oopm.
    
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    January 9, 2017 6:24pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Corrections:
      1. overseas
      2. Tawhiti
      3. Museum
      4. around
      5. Jaffas
      6. Opunake
      Are you pissed or did you go to school when Mallard was the Minister of Education?
      
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      January 9, 2017 7:46pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Doubt it. Its just the slow down you get in the first few months of every year. Let’s see the stats 6 months in before we start counting the proverbial chickens.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:18pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Do people think a slowdown in Auckland will increase demand for Wellington property or decrease it?
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:39pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Probably decrease it, especially if combined with a fear of earthquakes.
    Wellington already went up 20% in the last year, nearly three times the rate of Auckland.
    
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    January 9, 2017 3:59pm
  - peterwn
    
    There was traditionally an uptick in Wellington house prices as January-February tended to be ‘gypsy months’ where public servants and their families relocated (cf ‘gypsy day’ in the dairy farm industry). Bob Jones latched onto this when he worked for State Advances and figured how to make money out of it.
    
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    January 9, 2017 4:29pm
stephieboy

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The much touted alt right Breitbart caught with their pants down over fake news,

” German police quash Breitbart story of mob setting fire to Dortmund church”

Country’s politicians warn against fake news after Breitbart website said group chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ vandalised church on New Year’s Eve

German media and politicians have warned against an election-year spike in fake news after the rightwing website Breitbart claimed a mob chanting “Allahu Akbar” had set fire to a church in the city of Dortmund on New Year’s Eve.

After the report by the US site was widely shared on social media, the city’s police clarified that no “extraordinary or spectacular” incidents had marred the festivities.

The local newspaper, Ruhr Nachrichten, said elements of its online reporting on New Year’s Eve had been distorted by Breitbart to produce “fake news, hate and propaganda”.

The justice minister of Hesse state, Eva Kühne-Hörmann, said that “the danger is that these stories spread with incredible speed and take on lives of their own”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/07/german-police-quash-breitbart-story-of-mob-setting-fire-to-dortmund-church
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January 9, 2017 3:03pm
- Harriet
  
  All the facts were true — except the Church is not the ‘oldest’ in Germany, it is one of the oldest. The police etc. wanted to ‘play it all down’ while Brietbart simply stated the facts as they happened.
  
  Dougal Stevenson was a good news reader in NZ in the 70’s as he showed little emotion – he simply stated the facts – that then gave viewers the opportunity to see and hear the news without any bias —- a professional newsreader. 😎
  Judy Bailey on the other hand was probably the worst news reader — emotional one way or the other about everything that she read out —– she either laughed or portrayed sadness etc. —- an extremely bias individual —- certainly no ‘professional newsreader’.
  
  NZ is very immature at times.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:45pm
  - doggone7
    
    If Dougal Stevenson were doing the same job today he would be the same showing little emotion – simply stating the facts. The facts put together from sources which people on here say are crap, are misleading or plain lies.
    So would that make him a “bad” newsreader?
    
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    January 9, 2017 4:22pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Harrriet, what facts ? According to the Guardian report the Dormant police said the church was not set alight or stormed by a Muslim mob shouting “Allahu Akbar”
    
    Are they lying , baised or immature ?
    
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    January 9, 2017 5:15pm
    - pentwig
      
      Probably all three steffie
      how gullible are you?
      
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      January 9, 2017 9:08pm
- Fletch
  
  Not so. Breitbart stands by its story, and backs it up.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/08/fake-news-fake-news-media-sow-division-with-dishonest-attack-on-breitbarts-allahu-akbar-church-fire-story/
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:50pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    as they say in chess “your move SB”…….
    
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    January 9, 2017 4:24pm
- Duxton
  
  Sorry, stephie-goathagger-boy, but The Guardian isn’t a credible source.
  
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  January 9, 2017 4:41pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Druxton , well the alt right New Observer is a credible source and their report here helps to sort out facts from Breitbart’s fantasies ,
    
    The Breitbart report, titled “Revealed: 1,000-Man Mob Attack Police, Set Germany’s Oldest Church Alight on New Year’s Eve,” claimed that the crowd had consisted of a “group of men chanting ‘Allahu Akhbar’ around the flag of al-Qaeda and Islamic State collaborators, the ‘Free Syrian Army.’”
    
    In reality, as the New Observer originally reported, the flag waved by the crowd shouting ‘Allahu Akhbar’ was a Syrian flag—and the nature of the video made it indeterminate as to whether or not it was an FSA flag.
    
    In addition, the Breitbart report incorrectly said that the church was Germany’s “oldest”— Germany’s oldest church is in fact the cathedral of Trier, which dates from 340 A.D.
    
    Finally, the Breitbart report claimed that the invaders had set fire to the roof of the St. Reinold church.
    
    Actually, as correctly reported by the New Observer, a rocket set fire to the façade surrounding the church steeple, and the blaze was quickly extinguished by the fire brigade.
    
    The rest of the story—that a 1,000-strong invader mob had assembled in the town square, had clashed with police, fired pyrotechnics, behaved “aggressively,” hurled fireworks at policemen, fired pyrotechnics into the crowd, “which included families with children,” and that the evening had ended with a number of arrests—is all completely true.
    
    Nonetheless, the exaggerations and outright inventions by Breitbart has allowed the controlled media to now claim that the entire story is an example of “fake news.”
    
    The Breitbart article was published a few hours after the New Observer team had published its correct and fully-referenced report of the events. It is possible that Breitbart even lifted the idea of the story from this publication.
    
    However, in an attempt to differentiate its version from the New Observer, it appears that Breitbart added the exaggerations and errors—and thereby opened the door for the controlled media attack.
    
    Whatever the case, errors like that play into the controlled media’s hands. While journalists are human, and can make mistakes, the fact that Breitbart has still, at time of writing, refused to change its factually incorrect report, is only adding fuel to the controlled media’s fire…”
    
    http://newobserveronline.com/breitbart-exaggerates-dortmund-incident/
    
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    January 9, 2017 5:28pm
- pentwig
  
  You strange deluded person steffie
  you really believe this propaganda?
  really?
  
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  January 9, 2017 9:06pm
kowtow

How dumb is the RNZ Navy allowing some character to have a full face tattoo ?
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January 9, 2017 3:08pm
- holysheet
  
  As taungatafenua, it’s his right to fuck up his future.
  If you live in the stone age, what do you expect him to do?
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:24pm
  - cmm
    
    A Maori bloke I chat with on occasion said these facial tats were historically reserved for men who have killed someone in battle. Getting one because you think it is cool is like wearing medals you have not earned.
    
    Anyone know if that is true?
    
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    January 9, 2017 3:43pm
    - Harriet
      
      I don’t know —- but it’s a fucken good narrative. 😎
      
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      January 9, 2017 3:49pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      I’d understood it was because you’d been to the pokey.
      
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      January 9, 2017 4:44pm
    - Viking2
      
      Oh and its not a moko either.
      
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      January 9, 2017 6:26pm
  - MH
    
    I remember some years ago seeing a NZ Army officer – at the time a major I believe…with a full facial display.
    
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    January 9, 2017 7:47pm
- mikenmild
  
  They should only let people who look like and think like kowtow join.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:54pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  It’s a new tactic to keep the USA navy in awe since they are allowed to visit us now. You have Nukes, we got ugly tats…..
  
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  January 9, 2017 4:26pm
stephieboy

kowtow, no They’re like your knickers I understand .,

http://i4.cdnds.net/12/46/300×250/rexfeatures_1205757h_1.jpg
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January 9, 2017 3:08pm
- kowtow
  
  stephie got that photo from his Muslim Paki mates in Rochdale
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk/rochdale-child-sex-ring
  
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  January 9, 2017 5:19pm
Stars And Stripes

NZ waterways an ’embarrassment’
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/322020/nz-waterways-an-'embarrassment‘.
“Forest and Bird chief executive Kevin Hague said the state of the country’s waterways had become an embarrassment. People were right to be outraged about it.”

I think Kevin needs to get out a bit more if he really believes this rhetoric.
While far from perfect NZ waterways are brilliant compared to many other countries round the world.
Maybe a good starting point for learning would be for him to visit past and present socialist countries which he and the other Greens so admire and then he will get an understanding of what really polluted waterways look like.
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January 9, 2017 3:10pm
- cmm
  
  F&B is an activist organisation that has nothing to do with Forests or Birds.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:44pm
- BeaB
  
  Far too many Kiwis get embarrassed about far too much. Don’t they know no-one is listening? The world hardly knows we exist – or cares.
  
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  January 9, 2017 4:02pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Please advise which rivers are unswimmable.
  
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  January 9, 2017 4:03pm
- mikenmild
  
  I presume this was about Dairy NZ’s foolish complaint over the Greenpeace ad:
  
  Its complaints board said the statements in the ad “would not come as a surprise to most New Zealanders.
  “We would encourage Dairy NZ to concentrate its resources into addressing the very real problems of river degradation, rather than trying to pretend the problem doesn’t exist.”
  
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  January 9, 2017 4:48pm
  - Viking2
    
    So the person passing the judgement is in awe of twig and tweet.
    
    Say something often enough and eventually most fools will believe it.
    
    That person was swamped with twig and tweet “evidence” but you can be sure no one bothered to bring along the contra evidence.
    
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    January 9, 2017 6:30pm
- lifesgood
  
  Blimey those greenies talk a lot of rot. Go to London, have a look at the Thames, I dare anyone to swim in it.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:21pm
Happychappy

I wonder whether the crybaby at Whale oil will now post story’s about Labour and Andrew Little now they have posted they support the UN and what National sponsored on Israel.
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January 9, 2017 3:20pm
- Brigitte
  
  and Crusher missed her opportunity to cut ties with blubber boy by coming out in favour of the resolution.
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:47pm
Manolo

One of Turnbull’s ministers suffers from entitlement disease:
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/health-minister-sussan-ley-stands-aside-pending-investigation-over-taxpayerfunded-gold-coast-trips-20170108-gtnz6z.html

Mr Turnbull said Ms Ley would stand aside without ministerial pay while the investigation is conducted.

Ms Ley has come under fire for purchasing an $800,000 apartment on a taxpayer-funded trip to the Gold Coast in May 2015. It has also been revealed that she has taken 27 flights in and out of the Gold Coast over recent years including two trips over the New Year’s Eve period.
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January 9, 2017 3:21pm
- starboard
  
  Greedy fat pig trougher alert…
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:46pm
calendar girl

Stars & Stripes @ 3:10pm –

“Maybe a good starting point for learning would be for him to visit past and present socialist countries ….”

Good idea. As long as he does so entirely at his own expense or that of the Greens. These people are experts at arranging their international jaunts on the taxpayers’ dollar.
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January 9, 2017 3:22pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Hell no.
  
  As long as he uses a “green: method of transport (walking, riding an animal or (at a pinch) cycling and/or sailing a completely “green” cycle/boat i.e. one with no mined or petrol-chemical based components) I’m happy to see taxpayers fund his travel.
  
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  January 9, 2017 4:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can non-Europeans think?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/2013114142638797542.html
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January 9, 2017 3:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Along similar lines.
  
  “But now students at a University of London college are demanding that such seminal figures as Plato, Descartes, Immanuel Kant and Bertrand Russell should be largely dropped from the curriculum simply because they are white.”
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4098332/They-Kant-PC-students-demand-white-philosophers-including-Plato-Descartes-dropped-university-syllabus.html
  
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  January 9, 2017 5:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, that’s understandable when students realise they have to get their heads around this stuff
    
    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/russell-paradox/#RPCL
    
    Much easier to stick with Yoda
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/pop-philosophy-russell-brand-stephen-fry-yoda-homer-simpson/
    
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    January 9, 2017 5:48pm
Manolo

On the Dow:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/as-dow-approaches-20000-has-this-rally-just-begun-1483918642?mod=e2tw

Perhaps this rally hasn’t ended. Perhaps it has just begun.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average on Friday closed at 19963.80, as it nears 20000 and extends an upswing that began in the depths of the financial crisis. When it arrives at 20000, it will be the Dow’s 14th thousand-point milestone since then and the second-fastest on record.
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January 9, 2017 3:46pm
- mandk
  
  But this can’t be right.
  
  Didn’t EAD tell us a year or so ago that we were heading for financial meltdown and that we should dump stocks in favour of gold?
  
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  January 9, 2017 3:59pm
  - mikenmild
    
    nasska and myself are now stuck with enormous stockpiles of baked beans approaching their use-by dates.
    
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    January 9, 2017 4:02pm
    - Pateke
      
      And let me tell you, when baked beans melt down……
      
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      January 9, 2017 4:10pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You and nasska could use them for a charity sit-in
      http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/10402971.VIDEO__Teens_brave_baked_bean_pool_to_fund_trip_to_work_with_street_children_in_Uganda/
      
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      January 9, 2017 4:55pm
    - stigie
      
      Have the Sardines been given away to charity Milky ?
      
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      January 9, 2017 5:57pm
      - holysheet
        
        Lefties don’t give stuff away, they sell them on trade me. Remember the duck selling rugby tickets he had been given.
        
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        January 9, 2017 6:59pm
    - Viking2
      
      So Mm you will have fun eating lots of fart material to help you each day with filling these pages with mostly innane comment.
      
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      January 9, 2017 6:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Speak for yourself !
        
        Yet another irony alert .
        
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        January 9, 2017 6:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    September 2015, to be precise. We all witnessed the horror of the meltdown of the sharemarket.
    
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    January 9, 2017 6:51pm
BeaB

I know we are over silly Sir Peter and that even sillier foul-mouthed woman but can someone explain to me how a private conversation between adults, whether shared on social media or not, becomes the business of an arm of the State and a State official passes an opinion on it?
I am all for the Ombudsman investigating official business. Perhaps all these rights commissioners should have their brief restricted to official activities too.
I am surely entitled to think and speak in private as I choose. What do my thoughts and words have to do with the Government?
That’s what outrages me.
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January 9, 2017 4:07pm
Odakyu-sen

You guys have probably seen this, but it is good to see British humor is alive and kicking.

“Real Housewives of ISIS”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m9ab54sf2E

Gotta love English satire.
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January 9, 2017 4:25pm
- pentwig
  
  Good grief Oda
  You have just offended all the steffies,
  Well done.
  
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  January 9, 2017 9:37pm
cmm

Well the major reason behind increased road deaths in 2016 finally came out….

There were 30 more deaths in NZ where people were not wearing seat belts (90 in 2016, 60 in 2015).

Let’s be conservative and say that 10 of those would have died any way. That’s still 20 people difference. Take that out of the equation and the 2016 road toll was lower than 2015 – but not statistically significant.

There’s no helping idiots who won’t do the basics like wear seat belts. Handwringing won’t fix stupid.
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January 9, 2017 5:08pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Air bag systems save about 63% in head-ons while seatbelts save about 72%. 20 more people not wearing seatbelts is likely only making 1-2 extra fatalities. Some other factor at play (and before people talk up tourists they are only about 5%.
  
  Busier roads? Distracting effects of tightened speed enforcement band (which are at best ineffective at reducing road toll)? Or just random fluctuations.
  
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  January 9, 2017 5:16pm
  - holysheet
    
    Why make excuses for fuckwits. If you drive without a seatbelt, then you are dumb.
    Stupid is, as stupid does.
    
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    January 9, 2017 5:37pm
- Liberty
  
  There should be a 3 strike law then compulsory crushing.
  Total fuckwits who fail to pull over. Dickhead who follow far to close.
  
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  January 9, 2017 8:36pm
Chuck Bird

The law should be change so in such case where a person dies over a year after an attack that manslaughter or murder charges can be laid.

Coward’s punch victim George Siaosi dies a year after South Auckland assault

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11778686
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January 9, 2017 5:47pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  I’m not sure what the situation is for manslaughter Chuck, but there is no one-year Statute of Limitations caveat on the laying of murder charges.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:13pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    No, It is one year and one day.
    
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    January 9, 2017 7:21pm
SPC

We now know who the Mossad operative at the London embassy is.

He is the chief political officer, and yet he is no diplomat.

He saw his role as removing the deputy to the Foreign Secretary “the idiot but good fellow Boris Johnson” – the deputy being seen as more dangerous to Israel.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38545671
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January 9, 2017 6:04pm
Andrei

FFS TV ONE News is trying to tell me last year was the hottest year ever, complete with pictures of deserts and floods

Why do they call it TV ONE NEWS – it is the Government reeducation channel to brainwash New Zealand ~~citizens~~ compliant sheep
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January 9, 2017 6:14pm
- mikenmild
  
  You won’t believe it until RT reports it?
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Well Sputnik reports it ,
    
    https://sputniknews.com/environment/201701071049343096-european-union-hottest-year-ever/
    
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    January 9, 2017 6:28pm
- SPC
  
  You have evidence that another year was, which year and why?
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    1909
    ‘2016 was the warmest year since 1909, based on this seven-station series, and surpassed New Zealand’s previous warmest year on record which occurred in 1998.’
    https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries/annual-climate-summary-2016
    
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    January 9, 2017 6:45pm
    - SPC
      
      And the warmest worldwide since modern records began. Warmer than the previous warmest 2015, warmer than the previous 2014.
      
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      January 9, 2017 6:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure was a massive El Niño, just like 1998. The temps dropping now though. Have a look at the satellite data.
        Amazing how that upward trend became more pronounced after that ‘Homogenisation’ of the Land and Sea data.
        Of course the margin of error in those Stephenson Screens is a bit of a concern too.
        Thankfully NOAA know about that and are now placing more modern ones out there so we can get more accurate data
        
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        January 9, 2017 7:03pm
      - SPC
        
        Which one, 2014, 2015 or 2016 …
        
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        January 9, 2017 7:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/2016/October/tlt_update_bar_102016.png
        
        Unfortunately they only launched the Satellite in 1978 but 30 years is sufficient for a trend. Note the El Niño’s.
        It’s odd. About 8 years ago several years in the ’20’s and 40’s were the hottest but in the last couple of years that data was changed and now they are colder!
        
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        January 9, 2017 7:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hey, how are those Climate models working out?
        According to them we should all be frying by now.
        
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        January 9, 2017 7:58pm
    - SPC
      
      The result was 0.8C above average and the highest since records began in 1909.
      
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      January 9, 2017 10:58pm
- Reid
  
  Aren’t sheeple stooooooooooooopid.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:50pm
- SPC
  
  Anything restraining the use of oil and gas constrains the price Russia gets for its exports.
  
  And besides Russia sees a warmer Siberia as advantageous for its own economic place in the world. Russia first. Dispute the facts.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:56pm
stephieboy

Andrei , there is always that other option open to you that other reeducation chanel ,RT
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January 9, 2017 6:24pm
- pentwig
  
  great comment steffie!
  clap, clap
  
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  January 9, 2017 9:41pm
SPC

Theresa May is making a major mistake and favouring a complete break with the EU – leaving the common market and prioritising immigration control and negotiating a free trade deal with the EU.

It involves the greatest change to existing economic arrangements – and there will be no free trade deal to replace this – anything requiring all member nations to agree is most unlikely. Leaving just the WTO rules.

She would do better continuing with the common market and free movement of labour and using the UK freedom as an ex member of the EU to make UK first rules – excluding foreign nationals from benefits, tax credits and housing assistance while they are in the UK. And screening EU arrivals for proof of having a job to go to – and expelling the jobless pick pockets and ATM crooks etc.

And note that this would improve the UK budget somewhat, while maintining the economic benefits of the common market. There would be a significant cut in EU population inflow to the UK as a result.

Matching that with an equivalent restraint in lower skilled worker non EU immigration (excluding bi-lateral OE and graduate programmes) would best combine tightening of acesss with maintaining the economy.
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January 9, 2017 6:25pm
- SPC
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38555673
  
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  January 10, 2017 12:58am
SPC

Politics returns 2017 with Waitangi Day. As it does most years.

English, not going, John did not and for the same reason, I am not.

Little, at least go to Waitangi, if not onto the marae.

In 2003 English said to Clark if you are not going onto the marae, then don’t go at all. 2017 takes his advice when PM.

Local Maori – if you do not come to Waitangi, then you lose the right to speak about the Treaty.

Nice – given the Treaty was a guarantee of/guarantor to the rights and liberties of all under the Crown. Wonder sometimes if the locals are fit for the task/honour/responsibility.
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January 9, 2017 6:45pm
stephieboy

Tsk, tsk ,tsk .. oh deary me ..!

” Trump accepts Russia role in US election hack”

“ President-elect Donald Trump accepts the US intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia engaged in cyber attacks during the US presidential election and may take action, his incoming chief of staff says.

“He accepts the fact that this particular case was entities in Russia, so that’s not the issue,” Priebus said on Fox News Sunday.

It was the first acknowledgement from a senior member of the Republican president-elect’s team that Trump accepted Russia directed the hacking and subsequent disclosure of Democratic emails during the 2016 presidential election.

Trump had rebuffed allegations that Russia was behind the hacks or tried to help him win, saying the intrusions could have been carried out by China or a 400-pound hacker on his bed…”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/322027/trump-accepts-russia-role-in-us-election-hack
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January 9, 2017 6:45pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Russia (and China) have been hacking for years. About 8 since 2009 although the Chinese hack of 20 million personal records in June 2015was a biggy. No diplomats expelled then though hmmm. The funny thing is the British warned them in 2015 the DNC was being hacked and they did nothing!
  And who would have though that Podestas password was ‘Password’!!
  No wonder he fell for a phishing scam.
  Interesting that the DNC wouldn’t let the FBI look though and used a third party to get the info for them. That’s odd.
  The FBI confirmed that attempts on the GOP failed.
  But at least it was confirmed no Voting machines were hacked so the results are valid.
  Good old Wikileaks doing their job and allowing everyone to see how corrupt the DNC is. Poor Bernie and all those media hacks whose credibilty is now fucked.
  
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  January 9, 2017 6:56pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , the investigations were not about voting machines of the kind Geroge Soros was alledegd to have nefariously used but simply the hacking of the DNC and their emails .
    
    Hacked in such away as to inflict as much political damage as possible on Hillary Clinton and her party .
    Now fact !
    
    Other kinds of cyber attacks and hacks are directed at gaining sensitive military and related information by the USA , China , Russia etc
    
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    January 9, 2017 8:06pm
    - pentwig
      
      prove it beyond doubt steffie!
      
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      January 9, 2017 9:43pm
Manolo

Alongside CNN, Univision is infamous for its Clinton cheerleading ability:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/why-president-trump-is-a-nightmare-for-univision?utm_term=.olWPxY36P#.xbjbkv1Ob

Univision’s premiere news anchor sent a few tweets the morning of election day. “Today is the day when Latinos will remember who was with them and who insulted them,” one read. In another, he said, “In a multi-racial, multi-ethnic country like this, no one can make it to the White House without the Latino vote. This will be tested today.”

Univision’s flashy newsroom was similarly excited, too. There was a buzz in the building — until it became clear that Donald Trump was going to win. Then, according to an executive, it turned into a “morgue.”
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January 9, 2017 6:54pm
- Inandout
  
  Anything Clinton touches turns into a morgue; no that is her ex secret service men.
  
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  January 9, 2017 7:08pm
All_on_Red

The Russians are sure amused!
‘But the absence of any concrete evidence in the report of meddling by the Kremlin was met with a storm of mockery on Saturday by Russian politicians and commentators, who took to social media to ridicule the report as a potpourri of baseless conjecture.’
‘Margarita Simonyan, the editor in chief of RT, a state-funded television network that broadcasts in English, who is cited repeatedly in the report, posted her own message on Twitter scoffing at the American intelligence community’s accusations.

“Aaa, the CIA report is out! Laughter of the year! Intro to my show from 6 years ago is the main evidence of Russia’s influence at US elections. This is not a joke!” she wrote.Even Russians who have been critical of their government voiced dismay at the United States intelligence agencies’ account of an elaborate Russian conspiracy unsupported by solid evidence.’
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/world/europe/russians-ridicule-us-charge-that-kremlin-meddled-to-help-trump.html?_r=2

Of course the Russians would say that but they quoted things off RT as evidence?
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January 9, 2017 7:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  Oh come on ! When would Putin and the Kremlin come out and openly admit the DNC email hacking ?It’s bad enough with their debacle over Flight MH 17 and backing the Donetsk Rebels and their so called Peoples Republic etc
  
  God your gullible !
  
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  January 9, 2017 8:13pm
  - pentwig
    
    no steffie
    you are unintelligent
    I am not permitted to call absolutely stupid anymore,
    you complained too much.
    
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    January 9, 2017 9:46pm
Viking2

Amazon gives away it’s 1 millionth banana.
Why— Why not.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/88222393/amazon-gives-away-its-1-millionth-free-banana-in-seattle

Reminds me of this.

https://www.facebook.com/702703979882865/photos/a.703150846504845.1073741828.702703979882865/739766766176586/?type=3&theater
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January 9, 2017 7:44pm
Viking2

Auckland rents are set to increase this month with landlords blaming housing shortages and an unprecedented interest in their properties.

The Auckland Property Investors Association warns that rent hikes could be more dramatic than in previous years as landlords look to pass on the cost of rising interest rates to their tenants.

The association acknowledged landlords could be the target of scorn if they increase rents.

While increases would give tenants cause “to indulge in landlord bashing”, the association said local government bureaucrats were to blame and were moving at a “snail’s pace to remedy the chronic housing shortage”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11779030
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January 9, 2017 7:59pm
nasska

Hint for kids about to be baptised:

Put an Alka Seltzer in your mouth so everyone will think you are possessed by the Devil.
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January 9, 2017 8:05pm
Captain Mainwaring

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88253844/caravan-fishtails-out-of-control-taking-car-with-it-down-bank-in-wairarapa

What a shame this wasn’t captured on dashcam, as another reminder of this ridiculous habit of towing one’s house behind the car.
Clarkson would have loved it.
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January 9, 2017 8:27pm
- nasska
  
  It’s a terrible area for cross winds Captain. There’s never too long a gap between incidents involving high light vehicles. About six years ago a NZ Post unladen trailer unit probably weighing eight tons was flipped off the road & into a paddock about five kilometres south of Mt Bruce.
  
  That said, I’d lay reasonable odds that this latest incident was caused by poor loading & weight distribution in the caravan.
  
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  January 9, 2017 8:38pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Agree with all you say nasska, but what addles the brains of people who have 30K or so tied up in a bloody caravan which is a hazard on the road when the same money would buy about 200 nights in a nice, safe motel?
    
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    January 9, 2017 8:41pm
    - nasska
      
      We’ve got about that much & probably a little more tied up in a 25ft Jayco Captain. The vast majority of caravans in NZ seldom see the road as they are parked up permanently at camping grounds.
      
      Mum & I bought ours to accommodate the grandkids on beach holidays but we towed it up to the Far North for a three week break last autumn.
      
      Like anything, if you know what you’re doing it’s not dangerous.
      
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      January 9, 2017 8:48pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “parked up permanently at camping grounds.”
        
        The best place for the stupid bloody things.
        Still a lot of money to tie up in one place when you could be staying at different motels and seeing a lot of the country.
        Still, if you’ve got your established fishing/drinking/storytelling mates I guess that’s a choice you make.
        Just keep the bloody menace off the road. You never know when Clarkson might drop a Morris Marina or a piano on it.
        
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        January 9, 2017 9:56pm
      - Viking2
        
        Looking at the photo it would seem that they did what lots do and added a box etc to the back end. If you do that you shift the towing centre of stablization and if you don’t sort the weight or shift the axle back then you encourage the van to fishtail.
        Once they start its hard to stop especially if you have no brakes that will overide.
        The UK vans have a stablizer built into the towing hitch which seems to work quite well.
        Best thing is to make sure the load is centerd properly.
        
        And CPTN. Caravans go fun places and are much warmer than tents.
        
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        January 9, 2017 10:03pm
    - Viking2
      
      2 years and its paid for.
      
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      January 9, 2017 10:05pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Is that a polite way of saying that there was probably some big fat slob sitting on one side in the caravan?.
    
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    January 9, 2017 8:42pm
Reid

Some comments from the Saker on the ODNI report:

So what does the report say:

The Russians were critical of the US democracy process (page ii)

Putin & Co preferred Trump over Clinton (page ii)

The Russian media (state and private) was critical of Clinton (page ii)

The Russian military intelligence agency GRU is behind well known hackers (page ii and iii)

The Russians obtained access to US electoral boards but that did not affect the vote count (page iii)

The Russians will use that experience in the future against US allies (page iii)

That’s it. Seriously. That’s all they got. The rest of the report is just a kind of vague discussion filled with “we assess”, “we believe” and other such “estimative language” (explained on page 13 of the report). The most amazing thing is that in the 25 pages of the report there is not ONE SINGLE ELEMENT OF PROOF. Absolutely nothing.

http://thesaker.is/the-real-significance-of-the-odni-report-on-russias-election-election-interfering/

and this is the same report which made McCain say this: Russian cyberattacks against US an ‘act of war’: McCain
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/05/504871/Russian-cyberattacks-against-US-an-act-of-war-McCain

and this is why McCain said that.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/01/06/mccain-largely-unreported-treachery-against-us.html
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January 9, 2017 8:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , deary me Donald must of missed somthing when briefed by US instelligence officials ? Why on earth did they not contact the editorial chief of” The Saker ” etc or even you ?
  
  ((sarc )
  
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  January 9, 2017 8:47pm
- Reid
  
  Silly ole stupidboy hasn’t even read it before he downticks. Like a child running round with his hands over his ears, aren’t you, stupidboy.
  
  He’s an ex-intel analyst stupidboy. Who better to judge that report?
  
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  January 9, 2017 8:48pm
Reid

Edit window broke, to continue the Saker:

I don’t know what Trump was thinking when he listened to this load of bovine excreta, but I know that had I been in his position I would have literally kicked the folks presenting this report down the stairs of my house and that I would have immediately fired all the persons and offices linked to the drafting of this text. Why?

Because as somebody who wrote analytical reports himself I know that this report is so bad and vague that it would have been unacceptable even coming from a first year junior analyst, nevermind top intelligence officials. Second, because this report contains absolutely no actionable intelligence whatsoever. So the Russians don’t like Hillary and they say so. What’s the big deal? Hillary was the most incompetent and russophobic Secretary of State in US history and had she been elected the risks of thermonuclear war would have been immense. Does it really surprise anybody that most Russians (including yours truly) absolutely hate, despise and fear her? What is Trump suppose to do now: call Putin and tell him “Vladimir, please tell RT not to criticize US public figures?!”
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January 9, 2017 8:47pm
stephieboy

“..Putin and tell him “Vladimir, please tell RT not to criticize US public figures?!”

No thats not the point . Rather, own up when caught out hacking the DNC and their emails .

What is there to lose ?
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January 9, 2017 8:51pm
- Reid
  
  Yes it’s actually the precise point stupidboy.
  
  And der, they haven’t been caught out hacking, because THERE’S NO EVIDENCE THEY DID ANYTHING.
  
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  January 9, 2017 8:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid, Donald Trump now briefed apparently thinks otherwise !
    
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    January 9, 2017 9:19pm
Manolo

Another diva and self-appointed political commentator who believes she knows best:
http://smokeroom.com/2017/01/08/meryl-streep-just-brought-up-donald-trump-during-the-golden-globes-heres-what-she-said/
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January 9, 2017 9:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, something for you to mull over before your cocoa and bedtime,
  
  http://newobserveronline.com/breitbart-exaggerates-dortmund-incident/
  
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  January 9, 2017 9:56pm
  - Inandout
    
    Do you often frequent Nazi sites. We know Hitler had a Grand Mullah worship him.
    
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    January 9, 2017 10:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Streep; acting both on and off the movie set, but Trump has replied:
  
  ‘President-elect Donald J. Trump dismissed Meryl Streep as “a Hillary lover” early Monday morning after the actress, in a speech at the Golden Globes award ceremony, denounced him as a bully who disrespected and humiliated others.
  
  Mr. Trump, in a brief telephone interview, said he had not seen Ms. Streep’s remarks or other parts of the Globes ceremony, which were broadcast on NBC, but added that he was “not surprised” that he had come under attack from “liberal movie people.”
  
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  January 9, 2017 9:57pm
  - Gabby
    
    The chump is such a snoflake.
    
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    January 10, 2017 8:28am
Tauhei Notts

I have read most of Trump’s comments and have thought that he might be Krim Dot Con’s best mate.
I get the impression that when Hollywood goes to Washington DC and complains about breach of copyright that The Donald’s response will be;
“Go and tell Hillary, or anybody else that cares”.
The actions of Streep and numerous others from the Californian glitterati set up Trump for such a response. A response that will resonate with Joe Public from Michigan, or any other mid west state. States that the ponces from New York and Los Angeles disparagingly refer to as the flyover states.
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January 9, 2017 10:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Hollywood has for many decades been at the beck and call of numerous liberal pressure groups. They reneged during WW2 and made movies ‘for the cause’, but quickly slipped back into progressive mode. Having spent some time in stage theatre I witnessed a number of actors who couldn’t divorce acting on stage from real life. Peter Sellers, for all his brilliance, found it almost impossible to get out of character in his personal life. Cue to present day Hollywood and you have actors who are unashamedly political, propelled by enormous egos, and purportedly in the pay of pressure groups. Once, major studios would cut adrift any overtly political actor, but now it is almost expected an actor will support Democrats.
  
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  January 9, 2017 10:22pm
rightoverlabour

MSM very quite on this??

http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/Japan-in-talks-with-New-Zealand-for-defense-aircraft
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January 9, 2017 10:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Not so .The Kawasaki C2 is one of a number of options being considered by the RNZAF to replace its C 130 Hercules fleet ,
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/07/opinion-what-will-replace-the-herc.html
  
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  January 9, 2017 10:51pm
rightoverlabour

Worth reading

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/07/was-fridays-declassified-report-claiming-russian-hacking-2016-election-rigged.html
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January 9, 2017 10:57pm
RF

Just had a quick look at the standard as I needed a good laugh before going to bed.

Idiots such as Iprent, Micky Savage and some bird brain called Weka should get outside more often and get a life.

I have to pinch myself to remind me that these drop kicks are Kiwis. What a disgrace they are.
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January 9, 2017 11:10pm
Longknives

How the Fuck is this ‘News’ NZ Herald??

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11779674

Shreiking, Foul-mouthed, Drama-Queen Tranny is playing Victim.
Jesus NZ Herald- Go for a stroll along K-Rd, you will find another 50 of them desperate for attention who will no doubt give you a similar story..
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