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December 23, 2005 3:08am by David Farrar

Party Pills

The Otago MP has launched a campaign to restrict the sale of “party pills”.

They have parties with party pills in Oamaru???

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Murray

They have parties in Oamaru???
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December 23, 2005 6:57am
Scott Higham

It was only a matter of time. Its amusing watching new politicians jump on this sort of bandwagon. There are some politicians out there who just can’t stand the thought of people having a good time, or exercising freedom. Look out for:

-“street racing”
-modified cars
-raising the drinking age (again)
-excessive text messaging!
-bad TV
-too much TV
-adverts selling fast food to children
-violent video games
-too much internet use
-not enough exercise
-fatty foods

and so the list goes on.

Stop telling people how to live their lives, and focus on something that you can achieve – like reducing taxes, curbing excessive public sector waste, selling off (unnecessary) state assets like TVNZ, reforming local government, and other things that actually matter.

Scott.
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December 23, 2005 8:13am
Clint

Watch out Scott, you’re sounding like an ACT supporter 🙂

But I agree, of course. This nonsense is a waste of time, why start banning all these legal highs and acting all high and mighty….

I guess this makes more sense of an argument to have a liberal right wing party working with National. 🙂
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December 23, 2005 9:55am
Ben Wilson

And of course no one talks of banning the number one psychoactive drug that kills thousands of people in NZ every year, ruins lives and families, shortens lifespans, encourages violence and loutish behaviour generally – booze. That’s *totally different*.

But who says public moralizing was ever consistent. No, let’s get bitter on party pills which do jack shit anyway, cause ‘we didn’t have them in my day’.
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December 23, 2005 10:05am
Gary

Ben, its easy to argue that because we have alcohol, we should have these drugs as well. Do you support the legalisation of heroin too? It may be too late for alcohol and cigarettes, but there does need to be a line drawn somewhere. Party pills are being abused – kids are taking more than one at a time, they are being consumed with alcohol and under 18’s are accessing them. As an adult, you may want the choice for yourself, but personally I would prefer to have some prtotection for my kids.
Party pills contain BZP, and were originally made to kill worms in cattle. And you think that is good for you?

And yes, we do have parties in Oamaru, the best town in NZ!
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December 23, 2005 11:13am
Ben Wilson

Gary, yes I do support the legalisation of heroin, and every other mind altering drug. They should be made to industrial standards, clearly labelled, well researched, heavily taxed. I’m not advocating banning booze at all, that’s been tried in many places and was as much of a dismal failure as the current war on drugs. Nor would I ban cigarettes. I merely point to the inconsistency of the law on one of the most harmful of the psychoactives.

I can agree with controls for children, even on party pills. Yes they’re moderately toxic, but alcohol kills too. In fact it has killed people I know, unlike BZP – the worst I’ve ever heard anyone personally getting from that was chronic stomach pains, which went away after a few days. Personally it gave me a high equivalent to a cup of coffee, but longer lasting and with a slightly nauseous aspect, at 5 times the cost.

Children are always the exception to the laws of society. But currently they still drink piss, take BZP, smoke pot, do heroin, coke, crack, whatever they can get their little hands on anyway. I’d rather it was from a chemist than some sleazy gangster. And I’d rather they felt they had real information about the effects of these drugs rather than wild ideological speculation from teachers and parents.
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December 23, 2005 11:32am
Scott Higham

This is an interesting debate.

Obviously children are at risk of harm if they make bad decisions.

The trick here is not to legislate, but rather to ensure parents are appropriately skilled to bring up children who can make judgements for themselves.

Problem is that stupid people continue to have more and more children.

If we need a law for anything, its to prevent stupid people from breeding.

But I wouldn’t personally advocate that.
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December 23, 2005 12:08pm
Michael

A recent Canterbury based study showed one BZP user cost $5000 in healthcare. But he didn’t pay for it, we all did.

Same with drunk drivers – a decent smash will cost $100,000 to put together. Not to mention all the

With Freedom comes Responsibility. If we billed people for the consequenses of their actions and if every person who does any harm under the influence got more than a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket then we’d have a lot less harm from alcohol and drugs
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December 23, 2005 1:07pm
Gooner

“If we need a law for anything, its to prevent stupid people from breeding.

But I wouldn’t personally advocate that.”

I would.
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December 23, 2005 4:29pm
err..

“I would.”

Does that include any people who can’t spell “ubermensch”?
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December 23, 2005 4:34pm

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