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October 29, 2007 4:14pm by David Farrar

Young NZ First recruiting

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Nick C

“Young NZ First” will never work because most youth who decide to become politically active have strong left or right views. This will be at odds with NZ First and Winston Peters as they are really nothing more then populists with no principals, seeking power. DPF did a good post a few day’s ago about how everyone entering politics should have at least one unpopular view to show they have princiapls. Can anyone please tell me an unpopular policy that Winston has?
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October 29, 2007 4:31pm
vto

first!

but seriously, very funny
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October 29, 2007 4:32pm
vto

ah, bung. beaten to the first past the post in actual factual
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October 29, 2007 4:32pm
Sam

…this is the screen dear…
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October 29, 2007 4:33pm
vto

Winston Bjeikle-Peterson’s unpopular policy is surely his gold (tin) card.
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October 29, 2007 4:34pm
Sam

…meanwhile, dot lapses into an open-eyed/mouth coma after accidentally stumbling across Winnie’s private x-rated narcism folder…
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October 29, 2007 4:35pm
Nick C

Winstons next election bribe: Gold Card 2.0
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October 29, 2007 4:38pm
pdm

As Nick C Winston is a populist.

But these days most things he says are unpopular even though he has no policy.
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October 29, 2007 4:43pm
Sam Dixon

National’s finally realised its time to burn the last bridges with NZF huh?

After Ron Mark’s Agenda IV I guess the pin finally dropped.

And the electoral maths keeps getting harder.

What would really help National is NZF failing to get back in – rather than have NZF agaisnt them, National would get a share of the votes wasted on NZF.
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October 29, 2007 4:43pm
Nick C

Sam, cut the spin. This is about how bad NZ First is, esspecially to young people and National never had anything to do with the discussion. But of course never let that stop the leftist propoganda machine trying to paint a bad picture of National in every way possible.
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October 29, 2007 4:57pm
Castafiore

Excellent Plan Sam,

Tactically Brilliant.
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October 29, 2007 5:11pm
Castafiore

In fact seeing as they are metamorphosing into Labour lackeys on the prowl for some spare baubles I think you should tell Selma that they should immediately be offered two vacancies on the front bench.
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October 29, 2007 5:17pm
David Farrar

Sam – what are you on about?
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October 29, 2007 5:20pm
Castafiore

As I always say” A vote for New Zealand First is a vote for Labour.”

And by the way Ron Mark and Peter Brown would rate as better than 90% of the current motley line up of failed unionists et al that currently makes up Labour and it would immediately give Goff something decent to work with.
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October 29, 2007 5:21pm
Wodger127

Haha Sam, do you really this that Winston will base his future bauble decisions on an amusing picture posted on Kiwiblog? How pathetic.
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October 29, 2007 5:25pm
Wodger127

this = think. Bah.
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October 29, 2007 6:34pm
roger nome

Sorry to post off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone could confirm for me whether whaleoil is now designing youtube attack adds for the Australian liberal party?

http://kiwiblogblog.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/rudds-revolution/#comments
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October 29, 2007 6:44pm
The Natural Party of opposition

Roger I saw that
But this is really amusing and on Topic
I don’t think Winnie likes National
http://thesprout.vodpod.com/video/373003-scarey-when-winston-makes-sense
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October 29, 2007 7:00pm
slightlyrighty

Actually, you have to hand it to Winston. He can release the same policies as before and his support base will think it’s brand new!!
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October 29, 2007 7:34pm
Inventory2

roger nome said “Sorry to post off-topic, but…..”

roger, you’re not sorry at all, otherwise you wouldn’t thread-jack day after day after day after day.

And if anyone wants to visit the pale kiwiblog imitation, I’m sure they can find it for themselves!
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October 29, 2007 7:38pm
Inventory2

Well said slightlyrighty – a twist on the old Alzheimers joke!
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October 29, 2007 7:39pm
Reg

Exactly slightly and they can keep experiencing the thrill of meeting Winston for the first time.
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October 29, 2007 7:40pm
Lee C

slightlyrighty, same applies to the Greens but it’s THC not Alzheimers that is the cause.
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October 29, 2007 7:43pm
side show bob

What ever happen to Cadmus?. Has he passed over? Given Winnies support base I wouldn’t be suprised.
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October 29, 2007 7:59pm
natural party of govt

Down with old people, senile old twits.

The Natural Party of Government led by John Key has no need for them.

Young people are flocking to join the Young Nats….and not all of them are called Nigel.
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October 29, 2007 8:07pm
southtop

As history has shown: Never give a small man a microphone, whistle or gun
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October 29, 2007 8:30pm
vto

“Down with old people”

aaah ha ha ha ha ha ha. that is terribly funny and terrible. when does one become old by the way?
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October 29, 2007 8:31pm
vto

but mrs southtop what about the laughs generated when a small man is given a microphone whistling gun?
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October 29, 2007 8:33pm
Steve

Lee C
Post at 7.43pm, I agree. The THC is the problem, hard to think when confused.

Natural Party of Govt.
Senile old twits? These old twits have given you a decent country to live in – respect it and them.
You could leave …..
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October 29, 2007 8:52pm
Steve

Lee C
Post at 7.43pm, I agree. The THC is the problem, hard to think when confused.

Sorry, “discombobulated” is a better term
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October 29, 2007 8:56pm
Lee C

Brilliant, Blackadder!
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October 29, 2007 9:02pm
vto

down with young people!
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October 29, 2007 9:04pm
rfhoward

Reminds of young mister Grace in “Are you being served”.
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October 29, 2007 9:27pm
Tina

OT….

Just read this at a Herald -Sun blog in Aust….their largest circ daily.

“If you want to sample the time machine of depressing student socialism that runs NZ, go and have a look at the conservative Kiwiblog.
NZ. Where even the conservatives are socialists.
Then switch rapidly to Tim Blair to see why Kiwis have an inferiority complex re Aust.
Mike (Reply)
Mon 29 Oct 07 (06:18pm) “
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October 29, 2007 10:35pm
Michaels

Dot says “Myrtal Myrtal, if that slob falls on you, email me”…. I’ll get Winnie to sue for you”……. hmmm….. did anyone miss humour in this???? meaning all of you almost????????? oh okay… so I’m not that funny but FFS it is after midnight!!! GRRRR
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October 30, 2007 12:09am
entertain-me

LMAO!! I love the comments! facsinates me!

For those of us who understand social change – social policy: there is a new trend in politics called the ‘third way’. This means that the traditional left and right wing of politics is slowly dimishing, which is good for centralist party’s like NZ First!! hey wow!! The only problem is Labour and National are racing to take the central party turf. What ever happened to left and right? like I said… it’s dimishing and like all optimistic young people these days… no-one really gives a toss about left and right. ‘Third Way’ is about taking what’s good from the right and what’s good from the left.

Young NZ First is here to stay (just has Mr Peters – as he’s returned to parliament for the last 14 yrs having set-up NZ First – the oldest minority party in NZ history) … a good track record, indeed. And the only minority party who’s had the most policies implemented. That’s right – talk is cheap, which is why some of the comments I read above makes me laugh.

http://www.bebo.com/newzealandfirst / http://www.nzfirst.org.nz
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October 30, 2007 3:05am
Lee C

This might kick the stool out from under Winston’s support-base:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10472839
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October 30, 2007 6:41am
slightlyrighty

In response to an earlier question, I think one becomes old when winston makes sense?
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October 30, 2007 7:44am
Inventory2

slightlyrighty said “In response to an earlier question, I think one becomes old when winston makes sense?”

Geez slightlyrighty – if that’s the case, I hope I never get THAT old!!
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October 30, 2007 10:07am
Andrew W

“there is a new trend in politics called the ‘third way’. ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(centrism)
NEW?
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October 30, 2007 10:14am
Brownie

Off subject

Things looking a tad bit less promising.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4254641a13.html
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October 30, 2007 10:19am
Lee C

Someone once remarked that being old consists of younger people telling you what you already know, but using a loud voice while they do it.

Another opined that ‘If you aren’t a communist at 20, you must have no heart, if you aren’t a conservative at 40, you must have no brains.”

I’m also reminded of the scene in ‘Father Ted’ where Ted visits another very elderly and dissolute priest who asks if he’d like to see ‘his collection’. Out of politeness, Ted agrees. There in a darkened room was a variety of nazi regalia, SS uniform, Flags, weaponry, posters of Hitler, the works. Father Ted, at a loss for something polite to say remarks. ‘Isn’t if funny how you get more right-wing as you get older?”

I have to add that any thread with a Blackadder reference and Father Ted reference must have something to recommend it.
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October 30, 2007 10:23am
Sam Dixon

National used to try and court the older generation – now it ridicules them.
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October 30, 2007 10:33am
vto

Ridicule Sam? xeample?

or chinless scarf-wearers Sam?
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October 30, 2007 10:41am
Brownie

Sam, where does National ridicule them?
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October 30, 2007 10:45am
Sam Dixon

Just keeping it real, Brownie
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October 30, 2007 11:08am
vto

so no example sam, just a useless post
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October 30, 2007 11:11am
gd

You young people just have to get used to the fact that we babyboomers are going to be the most powerful voting bloc in recent history Not just in NZ but in every Western country.

We are the most selfish bunch of arseholes God put breath into We want it all. State funded pensions state funded medicare etc etc.

And the politicans who want to rule will have to give us what we want or forever be the Opposition.

So better get used to it.
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October 30, 2007 11:36am
vto

ok gd thats fine. watch even more people depart our fair shores an d those that remain opt out of business etc. you’llk have to steal the taxes from the struggling wage and salary earners. recipe for disaster methinks.

unless youre just taking the piss
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October 30, 2007 12:00pm
Brownie

Lol!
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October 30, 2007 12:21pm
gd

vto sadly Im not taking the piss Alas a vast number of babyboomers havent provided for their retirement and will expect the Gumint to do so. Kiwisaver has come 25 years to late for this generation.

Witness Australia where after 15 years of a scheme they have 1 TRILLION dollars invested. Their babyboomers are going to retire with a big head start on ours.

Yet another example of inaction by those political bastards
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October 30, 2007 1:13pm
vto

good points gd and yes it is sad.

The lesson to be taken from this and every other thing gummint touches is surely never rely on a gummint and never waste your life asking for anything from a gummint. it will all go horribly wrong (well mostly anyway).
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October 30, 2007 2:05pm
entertain-me

LOL!!! gd, I have to agree with you. Kiwisaver is just another example of how far behind we are… so while National plans to sell more state assets for badly invested fast cash (blood money) and while Labour is running out of social engineering ideas… what then?? It’s no wonder people flock to Australia!! We (our country) is far behind in the OECD it’s not funny.

We need more more bloody Winstons… black and white – straight to the point – no pissing around. Common sense policies and must I mention a very well thought through Youth Affairs Policy. Winnie’s had to pick up the pieces for so long… whislt minnie mouse and mickey mouse (Lab and Nat) continue to fool themselves and their constituents.
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October 30, 2007 2:14pm
kaykaybee

entertain-me, please do not give us a character reference for the leader of Winston First. What you describe as “black and white” I see as “populist cynical”. I can not recall an instance where Winston has done anything out of interest for anyone other than himself, his spectacular ego and self promotion seem to have no bounds.

Rather than eschewing baubles as he promised last election, he shamelessly sort them – exacting a prize from Helen that involved the wining and dining he thrives on, an enormous amount of travel, and
above all doing what he loves the best – big-noting and high-fiving it on the world stage.

The only people I know who vote for him are the extremely elderly and the odd 60 year old who likes a smart aleck. Youth are not among his voters, and never will they be, unless he offers a free return trip to the Thailand beach New Year as an inducement.
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October 30, 2007 3:34pm
kaykaybee

P.S. this mornings numbers..

Winston First 1.8%
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October 30, 2007 3:39pm
vto

winston reminds me of joh bjeikle-peterson, late of queensland. garbled rambling statements that are inflammatory and accusatory (is that a word?) make no sense and certainly never answer the issue.

winston bjeikle-peterson.

i dont like him but he definitely hits a nerve with some of his statements hence his appeal to certain types.
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October 30, 2007 4:10pm
entertain-me

kaykaybee… I take your point, but not seriously as it’s uninformed… check out the Confidence and Suppply Agreement on: http://www.nzfirst.org.nz or http://www.bebo.com/newzealandfirst

In terms of you comments about the baubles of office… when Winston was Deputy PM, Treasurer and Minister of Maori Affairs not once did he take up the perks… (how about that!!) why? simply because he didn’t give a shit about it. So you might ask: why take up the baubles of office now for the first time? and the answer to that is simply – why not?

I know so many youth that support him and the party – so it should only make sense that young people actually have a vehicle (in this case a youth wing) to channel their paritication…

A president of the Aotearoa Tertiary Students Association admitted that NZ First has the best Student Package… so what are we gonna do about it? You can’t rely on the elderly to advocate on behalf of youth… they should be thinking about themselves just as young people look out for their own interests. You must remember… much of Labour’s policies derived from NZ First in the Confidence and Supply Agreement. Check it out.
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October 30, 2007 5:14pm
entertain-me

Labour should really change their name to: Slave Labour
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October 30, 2007 5:17pm

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