General Debate 13 October 2018

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duggledog

A few thoughts from last week –

1: Why would Jacinda ask Cullen to basically recommend a Capital Gains Tax when he avoided the idea during nine long years of finding new and exciting ways of taxing Rich Pricks?

2: Economic Development Minister David Parker said on Radio Live with Ryan Bridge Monday p.m. that people with undeveloped land (he admitted they would be mostly Maori) effectively won’t face the same regulations and restrictions as other farmers if they develop to become economic. They’ll get a free hit. Not a peep since in any other media.

3: Because Jacinda and Shaw would not know an ordinary NZer if they fell over one, they don’t understand that high gas prices won’t just piss off commuters.

Kiwis are motor heads.

Big country needs big cars, to tow boats etc. For every EV sold, 65+ SUVs sold, there’s a good reason for this. Kiwis know what gas costs in Aussie and they will be damned if they are going to sell that new Ford Ranger just cos of some greenie bullshit.

4: Why is the media not asking Shaw or Genter or Davidson if they approve of the petrol price hikes? Because they will say yes?

5: National’s campaign slogan going into 2020: ‘Told You So’
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October 13, 2018 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘They did it’
  
  ‘This shit is on them’
  
  ‘No lies labour’
  
  ‘Absoludly positidve!’
  
  There may be more . . .
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘They’ve done you’
    
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    October 13, 2018 12:08pm
- peterwn
  
  The other problem is all those who voted Winston to teach National a lesson, thinking that Winston would be a ‘moderating’ influence on a National government. They could well vote Winston again if they have negative feelings about National even if it means Jacinda and co get another term.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:38am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Well then, Peterwn, I guess the challenge is how to turn around Winston worshippers from having “negative feelings about National.”
    Any ideas?
    I know someone (older conservative male) who is/was a great Winston 1st devotee, but who is now disappointed and disillusioned by what he sees as a betrayal of the reasons he voted for NZF.
    So who would he vote for now? His perception is that National is not interested in the likes of him.
    His voice is not being heard.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:23am
    - holysheet
      
      That’s bullshit. If he is so fucking dumb as to not see the animosity for national by the drunken dwarf, then it’s no good bleating that they were not going to listen to the likes of him.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:35am
    - peterwn
      
      But is his voice such a minority that pandering to his concerns could lose National more votes than it gains. This is National’s dilemma – trying to satisfy this class of voter without eroding the all important centre support that is essential for victory. Savvy voters understand this dilemma. Voters like the guy you know cannot or will not comprehend this.
      National will no doubt try to do its best without excessively blatantly telling different groups of voters different things and then being caught out as other parties have been. Problem also is Winston and Greens can say what they like (and to some extent Jacinda and co) and get away with it. Simon Bridges cannot without being pulled up in due course.
      
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      October 13, 2018 1:14pm
      - Gravelroad
        
        So is what you are saying, Peterwn, is that politicians and their parties do not care about the views, knowledge or aspirations of individuals and that they should subscribe to FIFO ?
        Mmmm- it is easy to dismiss and underate the experience of others not in your immediate power circle, but they still exist and can change the course of an election.
        This particular voter is disillusioned with his choice last time and is looking round for an alternative next time. If the National Party can afford to be arrogant with their assessment of him, and don’t care if he changes his vote to them or not, then so be it.
        
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        October 13, 2018 1:47pm
      - peterwn
        
        Gravelroad
        Just remember if you do not like Labour, an abstention (or for a party that does not get anyone into Parliament) is half a vote for Labour. A vote for Greens is a 99.9% vote for Labour.
        A vote for Winston is effectively a 90% vote for Labour.
        Perhaps you can explain this to your good mate.
        
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        October 13, 2018 5:44pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Ah yes the old Democrat ploy…. blame independent minded people for going off the reservation and NOT doing as they were told.
    
    National are cucked and unsupportable at the moment, this chaos is the best thing for the country in the long run. With National it was the incremental decay – with the CoL it’s obviously appalling for the nation in a hurry. And are National any closer to winning in 2020 – nope!
    
    Gravelroad asks the right question and I don’t see any answer from you yet!
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:56am
    - Liberty
      
      In your deluded world the sun is still shining out of Winston arse.
      An living in a socialist cesspit is some kind of utopia.
      You are politically challenged.
      
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      October 13, 2018 11:16am
    - Happychappy
      
      Because it a known fact you vote Winston and then blame everyone else for your stupidity.
      
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      October 13, 2018 12:06pm
  - Prince
    
    The choice for NZ First voters is NZF or National. You will not get them both, although Peters will pretend it could happen.
    
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    October 13, 2018 12:59pm
    - backster
      
      The stench of corruption is so strong around NZ 1st that National should never even consider them.
      
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      October 13, 2018 1:56pm
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

Salaam Kiwibloggers

May Allah, The Merciful, The Compassionate, bless you with goodness today.

🙂

Hajji Ali
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October 13, 2018 8:06am
- KevOB
  
  How the hell can a false deity do anything?
  Put a stop to pedophilia and throwing people off buildings that don’t meet sexual requirements.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:13am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    Judge not…
    
    “He raped her three times in front of her daughter, and strangled them both. She suffered a broken tooth and severe bruising to her face and genital area. The daughter had trouble breathing afterwards.
    
    The maximum sentence for rape is 20 years. This is not the worst of the worst. But it’s pretty horrific. Surely he would get 15 years or so and a non parole period of say two thirds of that.
    
    But no he got eight years and no non-parole period which means he is eligible for parole in two years and eight months!
    
    Andrew Little says our sentences are too excessive and punitive. How is this an excessive sentence? It is the opposite.
    
    Mekuli got a 35% discount for his youth and guilty plea. But his guilty plea was the day before trial which is the last possible time. I’ve seen other rulings where you get only a 10% discount for such a late guilty plea.
    
    The victim is rightly upset:
    
    “It is unbelievable he has only got eight years. It is not nearly enough,” she said.
    
    “He almost killed me. He almost killed my daughter.”
    
    She hoped judges dealing with such criminals in future would not be so lenient on offenders like Mekuli.”
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:18am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Sharia punishment: stone the mum for adultery (not 4 male witnesses therefore not rape).
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:04am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Gosh, it’s almost like the judiciary are granting Little’s wish to lighten the prison muster – but a Minister can’t influence a judge’s sentencing, that would be …
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:06am
  - igm
    
    Kev: “How the hell can a false deity do anything?”
    He could just find another seven-year-old girl to violate . . . that being the Muslim way.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I thought Hugh was bad enough with the same old same old; turns out I was wrong.
  
  Vote labour in 2020 for more of these care in the community posters as socialism is a mind altering degenerative disease!
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:21am
- Yvette
  
  Hajji Ali, what do you think would be Allah’s guidance in regard to Wellington Mayor Lester’s new rainbow pedestrian crossing Cuba Mall, which some have wondered whether – by the official definition of such a crossing – is indeed legal and to the colourblind may be only partially visible, and to Believers is a moral anathema, which one cannot set foot on for fear of condoning sin?
  
  Are Believers therefore compelled to risk death in the road rather than pedestrian safety, because this expensive gay grovel isn’t really as all-inclusive as Lester thinks?
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:27am
  - I've been to Mecca and you have not!
    
    Irrelevant and silly question to me as I never take it in the bottom!
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:40am
    - VicParking
      
      I wonder if there are any high buildings near Cuba Mall?
      https://www.metroweekly.com/2017/05/gay-teenager-thrown-building-family-chechnya/
      
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      October 13, 2018 8:49am
  - igm
    
    Maybe this f/wit Lester is growing wings — like most Labourites he is going to need them.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:29am
- VicParking
  
  ‘muslims can marry a girl who has reached maturity and both the girl and her guardian consent for the marriage and they are living under islamic shariah.
  Aisha said: “When a girl [jaariyah] reaches [balaghat] 9 years old [tis’a sineen] , then she is [fa hiyya] a woman [imra’ah] ” (Recorded in Sunan al “Tirmidhi”, Kitab al Nikah [Book on Marriage] 1027).
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:39am
- peterwn
  
  Shalom.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:39am
- Woz
  
  Salaam me when your friends no longer condemn women to death for perceived blasphemies against that ghastly old paedophile prophet you all worship.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  And may He keep your jar of Vaseline sand free all the days of your life.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:18am
Paulus Gnome

This really well written piece was posted by another yesterday and deserves wider circulation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northland-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503402&objectid=12140702

The statistics are horrible enough but the sentiment that maori are the cause of their own circumstance and that unless maori that responsibility for their circumstances, they are doomed to be perpetual victims (with the able assistance of the white liberals Mr Little)
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October 13, 2018 8:08am
- KevOB
  
  An excellent summary from one compassionately working at the coal face.
  
  I am still unsure that the inadequate expression of the violence-inhibition gene and the lesser mean IQ is not at the root of a lot of social and behavioral difficulties. A combination leading to lack of achievement and badly controlled rage.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:25am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Was at a park with the kids this week and some Māori kids were on the same ride my kids were on. I was spinning it around for them.
    
    I asked a young boy around 3 if he was ready as he was standing up on the edge. He replied and said he was.
    
    The other two boys piped up and said he was their cousin and if he falls off the dad would bash them and me.
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:41am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Their dad sounds like Bob McCoskrie.
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:11am
      - Tall Man
        
        Let’s hope you get the downvotes quickly enough to get rid of you and your spiteful vitriol.
        
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        October 13, 2018 11:05am
      - Morrissey
        
        But that violent dad DOES sound like the Hairbrush Whacker, doesn’t he.
        
        BTW: “spiteful vitriol” is overdoing it, and killing the effect, my friend. Go easy on the adjectives.
        
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        October 13, 2018 11:26am
  - backster
    
    Why can Mr Kamo not be given a job teaching our useless Judges or being a columnist for our inverted racist News Organisations. He speaks the truth a rarity in our Nation’s elite.
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:06pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes very good.
  I have printed it out.
  That guy needs a medal
  And needs to be put in charge of Te Puna Kokori and every other Maori department, on a salary of 1 million dollars.
  (Sack the rest)
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:29am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In a communal society it is difficult to take ownership of a problem because no-one has ownership of anything.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:58am
  - simpleton1
    
    Also lets set up a committee.
    
    Lets set up a working group.
    
    Lets have a hui.
    
    A panel will give a result.
    
    All part of “pass the buck”
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:54am
- Kabull
  
  (About the Kamo article.) Totally agree. It is a pity that the article is unlikely to be read by those who are in a position to take notice – more likely it will be ridiculed as not PC.
  
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  October 13, 2018 10:50am
  - niggly
    
    Kamo also called out Jacinda earlier in the year (when it wasn’t fashionable).
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11989802
    
    So I wonder what he would make of her now (after her leadership has been exposed as weak, being propped up only by hype)? Could be an interesting read!
    
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    October 13, 2018 12:05pm
KevOB

Commie chick envy at play.
Taxcinda sets herself for future capital gains on the new home but others may not increase their wealth without her say so.

Political parasite.
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October 13, 2018 8:09am
DigNap15

How can we keep up the pressure on Ardern over her petrol price error (lie) more tax on 1st October!
Well done Simon ( we all missed it)
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October 13, 2018 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  I do hope National are keeping a list for the next election cycle of all the COL’s lying, misleading and shoddy decisions. Or they could just replay the ‘dancing cossack’ adverts from the 1975 election
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/video/dancing-cossacks
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:23am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    The only problem is anyone born after the mid 90’s will have no idea what that means. They simply have no idea about the end game of socialism.
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:52am
    - DigNap15
      
      Its sort of like
      North Korea
      Argentina
      Greece
      Venezualea
      or Zimbabwe (but they are not socialist, but that’s what socialist countries end up like)
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:08am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The dancing Cossack thing worked well. Remind me again to what extent Muldoon’s government saved us from communism?
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:54am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Indeed Mikey. Never again. Until now that is.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:00am
    - MCos
      
      When Muldoon was PM the government controlled the price of petrol, dictated the annual wage increases (General Wage Order), dictated mortgage rates, controlled the value of the dollar, introduced carless days, brought in their National Superannuation scheme which lead to crippling tax rates and ultimately instigated a price & wage freeze. That was as close to a socialist administration as this country as seen in recent times.
      Nevertheless.
      If it wasn’t for Bob Jones, whose party split the vote, they probably still would have won the 1984 election.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:29am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        You are correct and the Labour government that followed Muldoon was the furthest right government NZ has experienced in the last century (except the very short time the great Ruth was Minister of Finance in the otherwise very damaging Bolger crowd).
        
        In the 21st century however, National have learnt a little form their previous errors while your lot have learnt fuck all – ever!
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:39am
      - MCos
        
        My lot?
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:50am
- lifesgood
  
  National have a petition against the petrol taxes up on their twitter feed. Sign it everyone, I have.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    National are hypocrites on this issue , they also took a very hefty chunk of the price of your litre in taxes, levies,charges and put some bullshit ETS thingey on it too.
    
    The main difference between them is simply that Labour will take more of your money than the Gnats.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Gosh, fancy a government taking taxes, who would have thought.
      
      The issue here, for the tomorrow’s schools graduates, is that the lying bastards said “no new taxes”. Remember?
      
      However, when you are a totally transparent and honest leader….puke here if you need, no new taxes doesn’t mean no new levies.
      
      Plus, their stunning rise to the benches courtesy of the arsehole Winston, had a stunning effect on the NZ dollar leading to a 10+% drop which has also filtered through to the pumps.
      
      Is that simple enough for you?
      
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      October 13, 2018 11:24am
      - kowtow
        
        I’m no apologist for Labour but make no mistake the drop in our dollar is due not so much to the current gubmint but to global cyclical trends .
        
        As a small open trading economy we have very little control over our $. And likewise the price of oil.
        
        Is that simple enough for you?
        
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        October 13, 2018 12:09pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well KT, you say you’re no apologist and yet you seem to be a wee bit.
        
        The exchange rate started down with adern’s anointment by winston and then winston’s “we’re fucked speech”.
        
        That will impact on both interest rates and the local cost of anything imported like…..oil products.
        
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        October 13, 2018 7:58pm
  - Paulus
    
    Do not use any “Social Media”.
    My business is mine !
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:06pm
G152

News tells us that maternity care is substandard for Maori, and Pacific people and its our fault.
Last time I looked most of the doctors and nurses were not European.
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October 13, 2018 8:21am
- DigNap15
  
  If it was up to me I would give them no maternity care.
  They are breeding too much as it is!
  Breeding too many future no hopers and criminals and bludgers and leeches.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Maternity care can only do so much when the recipients do not choose to look after their health and the welfare of the child during pregnancy. The mothers who are smoking, drinking or taking drugs and not eating nutritious food is not the fault of health professionals.
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:36am
  - MCos
    
    ‘If it was up to me I would give them no maternity care.’
    
    One of the more callous statements I’ve read anywhere this year.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MCos, we are dealing with the severely limited mental capabilities of a moron!
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:49am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Aaaand another ad hominem attack from a socialist – way to go to win the contest of ideas there SB.
        
        Here – here’s a few ???? for ya
        
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        October 13, 2018 10:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        That’s the first honest assessment of your dipshit bucktoothed leader you have ever posted.
        
        About time.
        
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        October 13, 2018 11:26am
      - Komata
        
        SB
        
        Re: ‘…We are dealing with the severely limited mental capabilities of a moron!’
        
        The inevitable question: ‘Then WHY are YOU still here’?
        
        (Asked in a caring way).
        
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        October 13, 2018 11:32am
- Southern Raider
  
  It’s another bullshit article. Has “expert” reviews from unknown panels, doesn’t state why no resuscitation was done (eg baby may be been prem with susbstantial alcohol or other fetal issues).
  
  Just remember even if white man actually pays for all the heath care in this country they will still invent ways to demonise us
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:28am
  - G152
    
    A wee thought.
    
    Who invented and worked up those resuss techniques??
    Are they the same people who are getting stick for not carrying out the resuss ???
    Or is this just another academic beatup of whitey ????
    
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    October 13, 2018 11:06am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Red Radio news this morning also claimed that ‘non-Maori and non-PI’ babies get better maternity care.
    
    The real meaning: it’s not just evil white people any more. The left are getting mad at the many hard-working, highly successful Asians for some mysterious reason doing better with maternity care.
    
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    October 13, 2018 12:24pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Does this also align with the CoL forcing new alcohol labelling on us?
  
  Surely if you are too dumb to know that you shouldn’t drink when your pregnant then your not going to be able to read a label on a bottle anyway.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:45am
  - riffer
    
    I don’t recall you piping up when National forced new cigarette labelling on us.
    
    Surely if you are too dumb to know that you shouldn’t smoke when you’re pregnant then you’re not going to be able to read a label on a pack of cigarettes anyway.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:07am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Some messages need repeating a lot. I don’t mind it being on alcohol and tobacco.
    
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    October 13, 2018 12:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Years ago , the RNZ chick who presented the morning show used to bang on about “lack of access” for these people to health services. One day she finally said , “Oh we’ve looked at this and the reason they have a lack of access is ……..they don’t turn up for their appointments”
  
  As to sub standard ……has anyone else noticed that there’s 2 entrances to hospital buildings here in Aotearoa ,formerly New Zealand . Browns’ Gate / White’s Gate , and then there’s different waiting rooms , different doctors and nurses , different operating rooms and wards , different pharmacies and even different prescriptions , all depending on your colour.
  
  How is it that the media never pick up on these obvious different treatment regimes that lead to such hugely differing health “outcomes” ? /
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    You jest. But the current thinking is that Maori should have bowel cancer checks earlier than whities, although far more white people have bowel cancer.
    
    Just because Maori have a shorter life span (from other causes) and so, well, they should get better (yes, that would be better for everyone) health treatment even for bowel cancer.
    
    The apartheid days are coming, kowtow. All will depend on a smidgen of Maori ancestry.
    
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    October 13, 2018 12:30pm
  - Paulus
    
    But that is what Maori want, separate development (and you can pay for it) – in SA it was called Apartheid !
    This the reverse of that.
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:11pm
- Jazzby
  
  This is an astute observation, and it highlights a crucial social issue. As far as the Maori ‘bi-cultural’ separatists and their politically correct supporters are concerned, there are only two classes of people in this country: ‘Maori’ and ‘Pakeha’. The former are part-Maori, who self-identify, on the basis of claimed bloodline, and the latter are all of us ‘whites’ (European or otherwise).
  However, there is an increasing and obvious third group: ‘Others’. They come from China, India, South-East Asia, Africa, and elsewhere; for good or ill (time alone will tell) they will comprise an increasingly significant proportion of the population. Accordingly, they will (rightly, in my opinion) demand a greater say in the affairs of this country. Maori won’t like that, because it will both challenge and dilute their traditional privileged position as a (fictional) ‘Treaty partner’.
  This situation demands to be addressed by parliament, sooner rather than later; a good starting point would be a declaration that all New Zealand citizens (whether or not to include permanent residents would be up for debate) are of equal status before the law, and deserving of equal consideration in all matters, regardless of ethno-racial identity.
  
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  October 13, 2018 11:05am
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting G152 that there seems to be only a limited breakdown perhaps to suit a certain narrative being pushed very hard about perceived disadvantages. It is just as important to consider ALL the relevant factors that cause this small percentage variance and not just race. This is the 12th annual report of this group who have blatantly stated ” The committee said institutional bias was LIKELY responsible for the varied. results.” Likely? Strange it has taken 11 previous reviews before looking closely at the perceived variance. Perhaps they will do better now even that process has been Marionated?
  
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  October 13, 2018 7:37pm
holysheet

A priest and a rabbi are arguing over the meaning of a word. They cannot seem to get anywhere, and finally the rabbi says to the priest “Look, Father.. we aren’t getting anywhere with this, maybe we need a different perspective… let’s ask the Imam!” The priest agrees and they go to the mosque.
“Please, Reverend Imam,” says the priest “We’ve been arguing all day long over this. Maybe you can help us!”
“Help you with what?” the Imam asks.
“Help us answer this question,” says the rabbi “What is the difference between an accident and a mistake?”
The Imam thinks for a moment, goes and studies the Qur’an, and returns “Well, gentlemen,” he says “I can best explain it this way: Winston Peters is walking down a street when a car careens out of control, and plows into him, turning him into sidewalk pizza. That is an accident.”
The two men nod “Continue,” says the priest.
“Well, then Winston is walking down the same street, and a car is approaching… the driver recognises Peters, he hits the brake and manages to avoid striking him… And that, gentlemen… is a mistake!”
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October 13, 2018 8:26am
Biscuit

St Matthew-in-the-City, the spiritual home of the socially marginalised in Auckland, will farewell Penny Bright at 2pm tomorrow.

Few of us in here (from my observations) ever much agreed with Penny, but all of us – I trust – will at least mutter a ‘Go well, Penny!’ at that time.
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October 13, 2018 8:30am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup. RIP
  
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  October 13, 2018 10:02am
holysheet

Driving on the Waikato exprersway between Hamilton and Taupiri yesterday and come up to a slow line of cars, trucks and bus. I was towing a trailer at the time. Everything was slowly passing the slow traveling vehicle doing 80 klms. Trucks with trailers, even I pulled out to pass this slow car.
It was a genesis branded electric car.
Not a very good advert for their brand if the best it can do is 80 on the expressway and holding up the flow of traffic.
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October 13, 2018 8:36am
- jcuk
  
  I suggest Holysheet that it indicates an typical inconsiderate Kiwi driver rather than a useless car.
  I have driven slower than general traffic but watch my mirror and left others past and quickly as is safe.
  When I was towing my large trailer sailer. But I guess in the north island the traffic is so dense* such considerate driving is not possible.
  *Both number of vehicles and their drivers?
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:00am
- Tall Man
  
  Probably conserving batteries.
  
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  October 13, 2018 11:37am
- Woz
  
  Not a slow car. The driver was having an acute attack of range anxiety.
  
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  October 13, 2018 12:38pm
- tf78
  
  It could have been James Shaw – he hasn’t been driving very long.
  
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  October 13, 2018 12:53pm
- KevinH
  
  Try catching a taxi in Auckland where most are those ugly box like Toyota’s. The drivers are almost all from Central Asia and will take you on an extended joy ride because they haven’t got a clue where your suburb is. This results in an exorbitant fare of which there are two.One fare is what is on the meter but is only available to card holders, the second is an arbitrary cash fare which is twice the meter amount. The driver will then advise he has no change for anything larger than a $50 note. It is called ripping off the whitey or any other dumb smuck kiwi.
  Also electric cabs are cheaper to run, therefore logic suggests the fares should reflect that. Yeah right.
  
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  October 13, 2018 1:33pm
Southern Raider

So CoL is all about “safer roads” yet have cancelled almost all major roading projects

I see another traffic accident near Puhoi on SH1 yesterday. The new motorway extension to Warkworth being built would never have been kicked off under Labour
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October 13, 2018 8:49am
- riffer
  
  The problem with the major roading projects was the corresponding syphoning of funds from lesser quality, rural roads. This caused a real difference of quality between the great new roads and the old roads. Which of course leads to drivers having more accidents on the lesser roads. We can’t do everything. I think it’s probably a good idea that we concentrated on those roads causing the biggest damage for a while.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:10am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s a different emphasis. Maintaining existing roads better is not as exciting as building new routes, but in most cases offers a much better return for the investment.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:24am
    - Viking2
      
      Well that depends doesn’t it on how the customer is affected by those actions. the customer being the person who drives on the roads. Now MM you can never argue that the Paraparaumu expressway is not worth it for those that use it given the safety and time savings compared with the old road. I’m old enough to remember seeing cars in the raupo swamp there.
      
      If you consider the Tauranga Eastern link compared to the old Te Puke rd then there is no comparison and in that case rebuilding the road to a modern standard was really a no go. Its just was never going to be any good.
      Now look at the Kati rd and despite the nearly 50 years I have lived there and millions spent on patching it up it is still and will remain, even with millions more, an unsafe rd., especially with the volume of traffic that uses it. One intersection alone accounts for nearly an accident a day and the population growth on that intersection is just beginning.
      But live on in your paradise in the valley. No room to grow and who the fuck wants to live ion the swamp waiting for the next earthquake to isolate it from the world. That is if a tsunami doen’t wash you all into Cook Straight.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:51am
      - Piniwi
        
        But Viking2 it is apparent the trolls have A) had their instructions on this issue and B) discouraged from deviating or perhaps knowing the difference in roads. NZTS is responsible for national highways and local roads are the responsibility on local bodies who have been neglecting them just like local infrastructure for decades.
        Problems are compounded for both when NZTS so often have attempt to solve regional problems more than once before they get it right. Doubtless many have examples where major work has been carried out several times on highways within local body boundaries that also impacts on local roadworks. Now also made more expensive and complicated by yet more bike lanes adding to motorists frustrations. Not to mention yet another “major” revamp being needed.
        
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        October 13, 2018 8:03pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Surely it should be about risk of accident which is a mixture of the road type and volume.
    
    The amount of traffic going north of Auckland is massive and constantly growing on an old very slow road. CoL have stated they don’t support expanding 4 lanes past Warkworth
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:34am
    - Viking2
      
      Make it part of Auckland and see how fast it will get done. Twyford will be out there faster than Phil Goff.
      Troulble is I suspect that they don’t vote Labour and its a safe National seat.
      Kinda like Tauranga.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:53am
      - Paulus
        
        SH2 North from Tauranga was finally on schedule then comes the COLL who cancel it – because both seats in the route are National.
        That’s Socialism.
        
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        October 13, 2018 2:17pm
- kowtow
  
  If they want safer roads , and I certainly do, then they better get cracking on all the idiots looking at their phones and other devices while driving. It’s a massive problem and will only get worse.
  
  Very easily fixed too .
  
  Heavy penalties and swift enforcement ( both totally lacking)
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:35am
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny kowtow when we read : “Meet Simon Kingham, your new Chief Science Advisor to the Ministry of Transport.
    A man who hasn’t owned a personal car since the 1990’s!” Perhaps with this sort of “expertise” many other problems are being introduced ahead of real solutions to old or existing problems? However the increasing visual distractions for drivers is diverting too much attention from the task of driving.
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:20pm
Fletch

I heard this on NewstalkZB, but it’s in the Herald, too. Supermarkets report that Kiwis are bulk-buying bin liners – replacing plastic with plastic – after the ‘single use’ plastic bag ban….

Kiwi shoppers concerned about the looming eradication of plastic supermarket bags are bulk-buying more plastic to line their rubbish bins.

Some supermarkets are reporting a spike in sales of packaged bin liners and are now trying to encourage more eco-friendly alternatives like newspapers so consumers are not simply replacing plastic with plastic.

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While some alternatives – reusable bags and paper or aluminium straws – were straight forward, the phasing out of plastic bags left some consumers at a loss as to how to clean up after pets, or deal with rubbish.

A spokeswoman for Countdown, which came under the Woolworths New Zealand umbrella, said the company had seen a boost in sales of bin liners.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12137584&ref=rss
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October 13, 2018 8:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  the phasing out of plastic bags left some consumers at a loss as to how to clean up after pets, or deal with rubbish
  
  And are you one of those moronic ‘consumers’, Fletch, who can’t quite work out how to clean up after yourself or your pets?
  Funny how you are not moaning about the useless ‘MSM’ when one of their lame articles happens to conform with your imagination.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:58am
  - Fletch
    
    I don’t have pets, but am still using the supermarket bags as liners until they run out (am still buying the yellow Pak’n’Sav supermarket ‘single use’ bags).
    
    The point is that it looks like many, many people were re-using the so-called ‘single use’ bags as liners, and now are buying liners which really are single use and worse for the environment.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:06am
    - DigNap15
      
      And the bin liners sold in the supermarkets are much more expensive.
      I bought some T Shirt bags from Trademe (get the Jumbo ones)
      I hate the Greens!
      And the people that litter in India and China etc.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        DigNap15,
        
        In respect of India, they are trying to do something,
        
        http://time.com/5302732/india-ban-single-use-plastic/
        
        Begin in your own home with a recycling initiative and composting waste vege peelings and food.
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:26am
      - holysheet
        
        Do you compost your goats crap?
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:42am
      - stephieboy
        
        holyturd, what on earth do you do with yours! Leave it on the grass verge or pathway?
        
        LOL!
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:45am
      - Fletch
        
        I almost feel like buying some bin liners (along with regular groceries), taking them to the self-serve checkout, putting them through, and then using some of them to carry out my shopping in. Then they really would be reused….
        
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        October 13, 2018 11:08am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Well, of course you don’t have pets – people with pets usually have empathy as well.
      That snowflakes like you have no idea what to do with your rubbish now that you have to think about it, rather than using ‘free’ bags not designed as rubbish bags, just makes me laugh all the harder at your pathetic whining.
      Maybe you should spend less time worrying about minor changes and more time on planning to reduce your personal environmental impact.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:13am
      - kowtow
        
        An awful lot of pet owners are abusive bastards.
        
        Imagine a dog locked up in a house all day while the owners’ at work .
        
        It’s a dogs life.
        
        Cats left to roam ,shitting all over other people’s properties and devastating the bird life . Totally irresponsible.
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:39am
      - Viking2
        
        kowtow
        
        An awful lot of pet owners are abusive bastards.
        
        Imagine a dog locked up in a house all day while the owners’ at work .
        
        It’s a dogs life.
        
        Cats left to roam ,shitting all over other people’s properties and devastating the bird life . Totally irresponsible.
        
        Rumour has it MM has 6 cats shitting in someone elses patch.
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:55am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I have just come inside from covering my plant cuttings with supermarket plastic bags (growing plants is very good for the environment). The bags do the job very well and are just one more use that Cindy did not take into consideration when she unilaterally cancelled supermarket bags.
      #NotMyPM ?
      
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      October 13, 2018 2:30pm
  - jcuk
    
    What happens in a earthquake type disaster where one needs to stop flushing the toilet and collect effluent in plastic bag for burying?
    As I have detailed in the past I rarely use so-called one use bags and have not done so for ages.
    Education rather than compulsion PLEASE SLG.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:07am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Did you read somewhere that ALL plastic bags have been made illegal?
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:15am
      - DigNap15
        
        They will probably try it!
        In the meantime I’d better buy some more from Trademe
        search for T Shirt Bags and get the Jumbo sized ones.
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:45am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Are you one of those sneering “libtards” MM, who has to resort to ad hominem attacks because you are so stupid you can’t debate an issue?
    
    Funny how you lot moan about decency, while never making the effort yourselves.
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:12am
- GJM
  
  The plastic bag ban has got me looking on Aliexpress for supermarket bags. Lots of choice available, around 5c each including postage.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:11am
  - DigNap15
    
    Much cheaper than that if you buy 10,000
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:46am
  - DigNap15
    
    I’d love to order some from Ali-Express and get them printed with some cool slogan
    Like
    “Plastic Bags Rock”
    “The Greens Suck”
    “Not my leader!”
    
    I am open to suggestions!
    Hell I might even give some away!
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      No one is stopping you from wasting your money ordering customised plastic bags. Go ahead – unless your plan is empty virtue signalling, of course.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:51am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I actually phoned two plastic bag suppliers in New Zealand a few months ago with the suggestion that they print a line of bags with “This is a plastic bag – get OVER it.”
      
      I was told by both companies that a) the cost of setting up world be horrendous, and b) they would not support the idea because they found the message a bit too edgy.
      
      I said I would buy them and sell them on TradeMe without mentioning their name…. but they refused. I honestly think they were scared of repercussions. I really think they both freaked out at the idea of doing anything anti-green and having it traced back to them!
      
      Anyway…. here’s my suggestion. On one side ‘This is a plastic bag – get OVER it’ and on the other side ‘Very USEFUL for:’ and a bullet point list of all the uses like smelly rubbish, pet poo, wet swimming togs etc etc
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:31am
  - flipper
    
    Google plastic bags and then buy the style and number (several thousand at a very low cost p/bag) from a Chinese producer. And fuck the control freaks, here, and in Ardern and Green country.
    The bag issue will eventually prove another light bulb moment.
    
    BTW …….. There was an excellent analysis of the plast5ic bag bullshit right here a couple of days ago. Worth re-visiting !
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:12am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  So all this plastic bag virtue signalling is a cunning ploy to increase demand for newspaper!
  I have a section of garden that I want to cover with stones so I’m considering accepting the latest free offer from the Herald. Five weeks’ paper will do nicely as weedmat.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:30am
  - Viking2
    
    Countdown are now charging 15 cents per bag and $1.00 for the bin liners.
    15cents for a 5 cent bag.
    Continues their propensity to rip off their customers.
    They were supply bags free with the online shopping and are now charging for the.
    So when you get you meat mixed with your soap powders and detergents etc fee free to whinge like as hard as you can go.
    
    Still you can get their delivery guys to wait while you return the bags. That would be certain to piss off the delivery guys.
    
    Ask the checkout girls what they think. Not many like it and they also say that checking takes a lot longer.
    It raises a health and Safety issue as well. Wait till we have a decent epidemic and see if they want your dirty stinking unclean, unwashed bags at the checkout.
    
    In fact why would I buy anything run through a checkout counter which has had dirty bags on it?
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:02am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I received a Countdown One Card email yesterday saying (I paraphrase) ‘Great News – were discontinuing single use plastic bags from 15th October blah blah blah’
      
      They actually tried to dress it up as ‘Good News’!!!
      
      Here’s what I replied:
      
      Fuck off you stupid virtue signalling imbeciles. I am taking my business to NEW WORLD and I hope thousands of people like me do the same.
      
      Don’t treat me like a fuckwit by trying to dress up your stupid virtue signalling as ‘good news’. Do you think your customers are halfwits?
      
      You people deserve to be shunned and dispised for the stupid morons that you are, frankly.
      
      You idiots.
      
      I will never shop at Countdown again. I hope that there is such a backlash apparent in their sales figures that New World stop any plans they have to cut out plastic bags too. One can only hope.
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:47am
    - flipper
      
      Yeah ….
      and I hear there have already been complaints about fruitless racial profile searches of their bullshit permanent bags.
      Those will inevitably increase, especially in labour controlled constituencies. May be that will be when this mob matures and develops some sense ….. But then A4dern needs the Redmelons, so don’t hold your breat. 🙁
      
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      October 13, 2018 11:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Shaun, do yourself a favour and buy some good quality commercial black weedmat. Newspaper breaks down quite quickly and your stones will be infested with weeds and then be taken over by soil. Ongoing nightmare! Happy gardening. ?
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:36pm
- artemisia
  
  Not many broadsheet newspapers to fold up these days. Cannot see that tabloid size would work well.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:46am
- Paulus
  
  Going to pick up my dog’s poo in a paper bag – yea !
  People will just leave the poo where done I wouldn’t be surprised.
  
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  October 13, 2018 2:19pm
Happychappy

While it is sad and far to young for Penny Bright to have died you really have to say the Media’s portraying of her with headlines of Penny Bright follows in the steps of Nelson Mandela when she is farewelled tomorrow in Aucklanders and it will be a celebratration of what she did for Auckland is a triffle far fetched. There have been lots of people that have contributed to Auckland over the years in more ways than Penny ever has and the media never posted articles to portray the good they have done, so can anyone please advise what Penny actually achieved for Auckland that made Auckland a better place.
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October 13, 2018 8:56am
- lifesgood
  
  Totally agree. I am sorry she died so young but lets not get all starry eyed because she is dead. She frustrated the hell out of us when she was alive and unlike everyone else did not pay her rates and that’s all, it achieved nothing.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:01am
  - Johnboy
    
    Lets be honest here. Penny did her bit for development of the Murri language here on KB by making every fucking one of us utterly bored with her english diatribes! 🙂
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:23pm
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How to deal with the GreenTiFA Party
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October 13, 2018 8:57am
Woz

Here we fucking go again. Honestly, I don’t know why I read the news sites. I just get angry at them and ruin my mood for the day.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12140127
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October 13, 2018 8:57am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I get quite angry too, when I read that some babies get treated less well than others and that biases play a big part in that.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:05am
  - Woz
    
    Were I a maternity or neonatal worker, I’d be insulted by the suggestion I require compulsory anti-racism training. It is a demeaning, divisive and disgusting slight against the profession.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:11am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Were I a health care worker and I was confronted with evidence that my cultural biases could affect my treatment decisions, I’d be interested in examining those biases rather than denying them.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:20am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        mikenmildagain,
        
        There is nothing inherently wrong with a bias. It just depends whether the bias will result in better health outcomes for the patient or not.
        
        In addition, patients should examine their cultural biases to see if they are hindering their health outcomes.
        
        Biases cut both ways, you see.
        
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        October 13, 2018 1:03pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Are the maori, PI’s and Indian workers included in this training or did I miss that moment where maori embraced all brown eyed people on the planet who are not maori?
      
      Thought not.
      
      Institutional racism against whites, didn’t see that coming
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:47am
      - KevOB
        
        I have been in a shop in the PI where I would not be served.
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:57am
  - KevOB
    
    The bias is is the mind of the beholder. People who haven’t cared adequately for a 24week old prior to delivery can hardly expect the best outcomes. The parental behaviour during pregnancy is all part of requrements. Fine judgment calls at a very difficult time.
    Give the job to robots who have all passed their obligatory ~~Treacle~~ Treaty exams.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:55am
- riffer
  
  Indeed. It’s kind of difficult to argue with information like that. What do you put the lower resuscitation figures for non-white people down to Woz? Maori and PI premature babies being too damn lazy to breathe properly?
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:13am
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    The babies are dying deliberately as part of a cultural Marxist plot to make the patriarchal, western medical profession look bad.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:16am
    - KevOB
      
      A great number of the health workers are foreigners!
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:39am
      - stephieboy
        
        KevOB, so what! Your point?
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:41am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Mike, you do write some shit but that is a monumental piece of utter claptrap even for you!
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:49am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You don’t think the cultural Marxists are trying to destroy all that we hold dear? Have you not read many Kiwiblog comments?
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:53am
    - Komata
      
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      October 13, 2018 11:42am
    - backster
      
      I wonder what degree of maori blood one needs to be subject to this bias or is it how black the skin is.
      
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      October 13, 2018 5:33pm
  - Woz
    
    I think it would be far better to look into root causes than simply labeling an entire profession racist.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:31am
    - DigNap15
      
      The root causes are that Maori don’t look after themselves or their babies.
      They are more concerned with smoking dope, drinking kodis, robbing people and kicking back to some rap music.
      When they move into the 21st century and get educated and act like civilised people, then maybe they will get treated better by our professionals.
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:41am
      - Woz
        
        Hell’s teeth! Straight off to a compulsory six-month re-education camp in the Ureweras for you, son.
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:51am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I would argue that the trailer trash in our society, of whatever hue, get a disproportionate amount of the funding in an effort to correct their poor lifestyle and parenting skills in an effort to get them over the line, to ensure the next generation of trailer trash get a better than even opportunity of survival to rinse and repeat.
        
        A plague on those colonisers with their bibles and good intentions!
        
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        October 13, 2018 9:55am
      - MCos
        
        ‘The root causes are that Maori don’t look after themselves or their babies.’
        
        You don’t give up, do you.
        
        Tell me.
        If you ever have to have a blood transfusion or an organ replacement would you refuse if there wasn’t a guarantee the donor was white?
        
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        October 13, 2018 12:47pm
  - Woz
    
    “Rather, bias could be found earlier in the chain of events leading up to the birth, and help explain why more Māori, Pacific and Indian women have babies whose condition, such as low birth weight, makes resuscitation less viable.”
    
    There lies the crux of the matter. However, shifting the blame to an alleged racial bias in health workers is much easier, and avoids the necessity to look at more confronting issues. I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that after subjecting all those highly trained and dedicated professionals to all the compulsory re-education on God’s green earth, not a single statistic would shift. Because the problem lies elsewhere, Cultural Marxism might not be causing these babies to willingly commit suicide, mikenmildagain, but as a catch-all and rather trendy term it conveniently covers the accusation of racism being cast indiscriminately upon an entire profession.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Well said Woz
      
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      October 13, 2018 9:56am
    - Viking2
      
      There lies the crux of the matter.
      
      Kinda like violence, which is what this is.
      Violence against the unborn.
      Still no one ever will answer for that.
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:08am
- DigNap15
  
  I agree with you, they have a continuing, consistent argenda ramming their SJW thoughts down our throats.
  The only good thing is that we no longer have to pay to buy their useless rags.
  Why doesn’t some rich companies buy them out and replace their editors and journalists?
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:44am
  - KevOB
    
    The market for pulp fiction is dying.
    
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    October 13, 2018 1:05pm
    - Woz
      
      Whatever will I line the bottom of the birdcage with when they’re gone?
      
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      October 13, 2018 1:35pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Auckland DHB has brought in policy to fast-track all eligible Māori and Pacific job applicants straight to interview.
  
  The in-between “grey zone” presents an agonising decision for parents, made after counsel from the neonatal paediatrician and obstetrician.
  
  Chances of survival can be slim. Babies that live can have severe disabilities including cerebral palsy and blindness.’
  
  Two points from the item.
  An excuse to push “positive” discrimination (and thereby lower standards) and
  
  it would appear that it’s the parents decision to not resuscitate .
  
  Are there “cultural” issues there too ?
  
  Are whites more willing to put up with a hard decision to live with a disabled child ?
  Are Maoris and PIs less willing to ?
  Are the sick Indian babies that are offed , females.
  Studies have shown Indians have a cultural propensity to off girls and prefer boys .
  
  Do Indians need cultural awareness training before being admitted to western countries that we don’t kill babies based on their gender? ( At least we pretend we don’t)
  
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  October 13, 2018 10:04am
  - Viking2
    
    Seafood, especially from around the BOP has high levels of Mercury.
    Mercury causes all sorts of mental function impairments.
    Who are the biggest eater of Kai Moana in the BOP?
    
    Perhaps it’s cultural and not the fault of those that came behind to pick up the pieces.
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Simple data being skewed.
  
  Ask the medical staff what criteria they apply for a premature baby DNR. I think you’ll find that skin colour is not on the list but the severity of deformation is, the delay in presenting for the birth and so on.
  
  Another stat to track down is the cost per baby per race, although once again, I doubt you’ll find it as all the medical staff I have talked with have no interest in race full stop.
  
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  October 13, 2018 11:49am
BananaLlama

If our Prime Minister had no problems defining kiwi values for a pair of Canadian Conservative Speakers recently. Why can’t she define kiwi values for migrants seeking entry into New Zealand?
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  Banana Llama, what are kiwi values within your alt right bubble chamber and estimation?
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:17am
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    Ask Jacinda Ardern she knows what Kiwi Values are so i guess that makes her Alt Right.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:17am
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    SB :
    Do you have personal animosity for Banana Llama?
    You have made no attempt to either concur or counter his/her post, merely responded with smartarsery.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:53am
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      Nope but this is what the PM said about her understanding of kiwi values,
      
      Ms Ardern said she also tried recently to describe New Zealand values – during her speech last week to the United Nations General Assembly.
      “You know we’re a small nation, but we really do see ourselves as playing an important place in the world,” she recounted saying. “We use our voice on things when we see injustice. We’re very fair-minded, we’re pragmatic, we’re innovative.
      
      “There are values each of us might see and feel differently, so it’s often quite hard to put one cookie cutter around New Zealand values. But I think those, at least, are the things we probably agree on…”
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/its-not-government-policy-jacinda-ardern-distances-labour-nz-first-s-proposed-immigrant-values-bill
      Hard to argue with that IMO
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:00am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        “hard to put a cookie cutter around New Zealand values” yet the SLG did just that in her comments around two people being de-platformed in our country.
        
        It is not particularly difficult to argue with most of the dribble served up by SLG unless you live in a Ctrl Left bubble chamber.
        
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        October 13, 2018 10:12am
      - Woz
        
        I’d agree with her if her actions spoke as loud as her words.
        
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        October 13, 2018 12:43pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “We use our voice on things when we see injustice.”
        
        Oh, good. Then use your voice against islamists who believe wife-beating instructions from the quran can be perpetuated here. Sura 4:34.
        
        And don’t go on about the old testament. 1. A lot is allegorical or historic fables. 2. Christians follow the new testament.
        
        This comes from an atheist, btw.
        
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        October 13, 2018 1:18pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sqwawk!
    
    Alt-right!
    
    Sqwawk!
    
    ??? ???
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:19am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m sure she would be capable of outlining Kiwis values before an audience of migrants. What’s your point?
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:17am
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    That when Winston Peters wants to define them it is suddenly verboten. I think Winston Peters is capable of defining them for Migrants. He has been (deputy) Prime Minister after all which makes him equally qualified.
    
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    October 13, 2018 9:21am
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      Nonsense! who said it is forbidden to discuss those values for migrants?
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:06am
    - BananaLlama
      
      It’s tongue and cheek Stephie. Not literal. I’m just pointing out liberal hypocrisy by using a bit of sarcasm. I do love double entendres.
      
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      October 13, 2018 10:18am
Fletch

Low economic growth on the horizon, despite the GDP figures –

This forecast is at odds with the latest GDP figures, which showed strong growth.

Infometrics’ latest forecast says that could lead to disappointing economic growth in New Zealand in the next two years, despite the latest GDP figures showing the fastest rise in two years.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/10/low-economic-growth-on-the-horizon-infometrics.html
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October 13, 2018 9:14am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Some reasonable signs of a slowdown internationally, that will inevitably affect NZ. I see Trump is already getting ready to blame the Federal Reserve.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:19am
- Viking2
  
  GDP just measures all activity. It doesn’t measure if that activity is worth while, replacement stuff nor does it measure the countries nett wealth gain.
  
  Our wealth is what is important.
  
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  October 13, 2018 10:14am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s GDP per capita that counts, and by that measure NZ has been almost at a standstill.
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:09pm
artemisia

In the NY Times, yesterday left leaning op-ed columnist David Leonhardt is alarmed (his word) about the midterms, due to the Kavanaugh issue. His view – it is helping red, not helping blue.

The fight over Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation appears to have nationalized the campaign, causing some Trump-skeptical Republican voters to return to the fold. That’s why Democrats and progressive activists need to change the subject away from divisive cultural debates and back to pocketbook issues.
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October 13, 2018 9:28am
Jack5

The anti-PC Aussie TV show that I doubt you’ll ever see in New Zealand – but if you want to assess it you can see it on Youtube – follow the link:

https://youtu.be/RHIIOQG0EGE
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October 13, 2018 9:30am
Hugh Pavletich

Public anger in China spreading as property prices drop | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2168025/public-anger-china-spreading-property-prices-drop

Sales are usually brisk at this time of year, but so far the figures are grim – and people who’ve already bought are protesting against price cuts … read more via hyperlink above …

… above via …

Investing in Chinese Stocks—投资大中华地区股市: SCMP Covers Real Estate Rage

http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.com/2018/10/scmp-covers-real-estate-rage.html
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The sudden tinge of fear among sellers in Hong Kong’s property market | South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/2168190/suddenly-theres-tinge-fear-among-sellers-hong-kongs-property-market

A recent wave of price discounting for both residential and commercial properties indicates a softening in sentiment … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 13, 2018 9:49am
- Inandout
  
  The Trump effect.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:58am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Investing in Chinese Stocks—投资大中华地区股市: Failed Land Auctions Proliferate, Exceed 2012 and 2015 Highs
    
    http://investinginchinesestocks.blogspot.com/2018/10/failed-land-auctions-proliferate-exceed.html
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:19am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      CHINA: World’s Largest Car Market Faces Historic Drop – Bloomberg
      
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-12/largest-car-market-faces-historic-drop-as-chinese-shoppers-waver
      
      • Sales to Chinese dealerships fall for third month in September
      
      • Trade war, economic woes hurting sales at GM, VW, Honda
      
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      October 13, 2018 3:01pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        United States National Economic Advisor Larry Kudlow spells it out … view and read more via hyperlink below …
        
        Larry Kudlow: Some CEOs may be using China tariffs as an excuse … CNBC
        
        https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/12/larry-kudlow-some-ceos-may-be-using-china-tariffs-as-an-excuse.html
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        Trump pleased China’s economy is cooling |(New Zealand) Newshub
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/10/trump-pleased-china-s-economy-is-cooling.html
        
        … concluding …
        
        … Asked about a Trump-Xi meeting at the G20 summit, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang told a regular news briefing in Beijing on Friday that, “China and the United States maintain communication at all levels of dialogue and exchanges.”
        
        Mr Trump imposed tariffs on nearly US$200 billion of Chinese imports last month and then threatened more levies if China retaliated. China then hit back with tariffs on about US$60 billion of US imports.
        
        “It’s had a big impact,” Mr Trump said in a Fox News interview. “Their economy has gone down very substantially and I have a lot more to do if I want to do it.
        
        “I don’t want to do it, but they have to come to the table.”
        
        Mr Trump said the Chinese want to negotiate but he does not believe they are ready and he told them so. He blamed previous US Presidents for allowing China to pursue unfair trade practices and said he had to tell Beijing, “It’s over.”
        
        “They lived too well for too long and, frankly, I guess they think the Americans are stupid people. Americans are not stupid people. We were led badly when it came to trade,” Mr Trump said.
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        The $80 Trillion World Economy in One Chart … Visual Capitalism
        
        http://www.visualcapitalist.com/80-trillion-world-economy-one-chart/
        
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        October 13, 2018 6:29pm
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Criminal

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2018/10/10/asked-if-he-would-also-instruct-the-army-to-shoot-and-kill-palestinian-children-who-breach-the-border-fence-bennett-said-they-are-not-children-they-are-terrorists-we-are-fooling/
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October 13, 2018 10:09am
- Longknives
  
  Top work Israel…
  Go Team!
  
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  October 13, 2018 10:31am
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    Seventy-five years ago people like you were shouting:
    
    Top work Germany…
    Go team!
    
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    October 13, 2018 10:48am
kowtow

The media bang on about Trump, fake news , Trumps’ shallow agenda, he’s a circus etc

Yesterday Prime “news” derisively covered Kanye West’s visit to the White House but did not even bother to mention why he was there.

The media are shit house lying scum bags.
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October 13, 2018 10:32am
- Inandout
  
  If you watch the White House press conference you will see the media scum assembled.
  
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  October 13, 2018 11:14am
- Paulus
  
  But in New Zealand the media do not lie – like Winston’s Prime Minister she cannot lie either.
  Come on Tova who gave you Simon’s travel figures ?
  You know as does the Duck and the Police.
  
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  October 13, 2018 2:27pm
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Making Fun of Stupid People.
Victim No. 3: Kerre Woodham

In 2009, NewstalkZzzzzzB diva Kerre Woodham was busy, along with her colleagues Larry Williams, Bruce Russell, Leighton Smith, and several others, pouring scorn on Kristin Dunne-Powell and supporting Miss Dunne-Powell’s assailant, Tony Veitch. She also found time in her schedule to watch Mrs Leanne Cameron and her family being interviewed on television following the risibly light sentence handed out to the knife-killer of her fifteen year old son. Kerre Woodham decided that such a display of grief was unseemly, and she used her Sunday Herald column to deliver a stern lecture to the distraught woman. The folks here at Daisycutter Sports Inc. were among the many who read Woodham’s column with dismay; we decided to do something about it. Thus was born the character Kerre ohoWmad, who would drive Woodham to displays of volcanic anger, first on Usenet….

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/lighten-up-on-clayton-weatherston.html

…. and then on her crappy radio show and, hilariously, in her Sunday Herald column a week later ….

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/kerre-woodham-slams-sick-cyber-smear.html

Making Fun of Stupid People is compiled by Hector Stoop, for Daisycutter Sports Inc.

Victim No. 1 Cameron Slater; Victim No. 2 Murray Deaker
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October 13, 2018 10:36am
- DJ Ward
  
  Firstly with all the self promotion I thought you were going to announce an Autobiography.
  
  Clayton Weatherston. Probably the best con job in media and political history. Still resulting in idiots who got sucked in repeating the con. Clayton went to the doctor “Help somethings wrong”. “Take this mind altering drug. It will make things all better” says the doctor. A month later he kills Sophie in a manner only associated with crazy people. “Doctor can you check if he’s ok” say the police. “Oops wrong medication” says the doctor. “Let’s use this to get rid of provocation laws” says Judith Collins. “Let’s use this for or man hating DV agenda” say the media. “Let’s help” say the defence lawyers. “Let’s do a bullshit provacation story, put the patient on the stand.” “Let’s not plead guilty and present a diminished responsibility case.” winks his lawyer to the prosecutor.
  
  Yes people are dumb.
  
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  October 13, 2018 11:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Is this satire, DJ Ward? What are you actually saying about Weatherston?
    
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    October 13, 2018 1:08pm
    - DJ Ward
      
      When you have a person with a personality disorder that they are struggling with….. Clayton had already showed he could have bad behavours and reactions to events….. Is in a destructive ‘come here I love you, have sex with me, I hate you, go away, come here I love you, have sex with me, I hate you, go away’ relationship. This manipulates Oxytocin, brain chemistry and memory creation in males. Some females do this to manipulate males to get what they want, to control the male. The evidence shows Sophie did it by accident rather than intentionaly. Making a mistake in brain chemistry altering drug use is dangerous.
      
      Sophie and Clayton are both contributors to events but the only thing that made it happen was the medication mistake.
      Sophie should not have engaged in behavour that manipulates emotion.
      Clayton has something wrong with him and exposed himself as being unsafe in the community.
      
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      October 13, 2018 2:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        No, I don’t buy that.
        
        It is ridiculous to blame the victim for Weatherston’s brutal murder.
        
        Weatherston is surely one of those who would justifiably be a candidate for the death penalty if it were in force.
        
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        October 13, 2018 3:43pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        I didn’t blame her. The relationship was the same as a manipulative one but her diary shows it wasn’t intentional. That version of bad relationship issues is well known to cause mental health driven violence by men at the end of relationships. It’s an old wives tale, not to string men along. Eventually you’ll do it to the wrong man.
        
        It’s a combination of things.
        Medication error, bad relationship type, Claytons personality disorder.
        
        If the medical error didn’t happen then she might be alive.
        If females were taught to recognise that relationship type and avoid it then she might be alive.
        If males were taught that we do have this chemical process that can cause problems then she might be alive.
        If Clayton at past events of violence, or when he presented to the doctor got better help then she might be alive.
        
        We know he did it. It’s to late now.
        
        I’m interested in why. How to have less events like it in the future.
        
        Summary. Jacks fault. Clayton was raised by society and Jack (society) can hate the past killer, Clayon, or a future killer, but hate won’t prevent that future killer.
        
        You can’t know the truth unless your willing to be brutally honest including what the victim did, or whoever else played a part.
        
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        October 14, 2018 12:01am
  - Morrissey
    
    Firstly with all the self promotion I thought you were going to announce an Autobiography.
    
    Sa-a-a-a-a-ayyy…. I like the sound of that.
    
    Hmmmmm…..
    
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    October 13, 2018 1:50pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  What is it about the Pihema Cameron\Bruce Emery thing which seems to so aggravate you.
  You have bought the issue up on here so many times I have lost count and you are still harping on about it.
  People get killed in NZ quite regularly and I could point to lots of cases where justice was probably not done but unfortunately imperfect systems give imperfect results and that’s just the way it is whether you or I like it or not.
  Sometimes you have to move on and let things go.
  
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  October 13, 2018 11:52am
  - Morrissey
    
    What is it about the Pihema Cameron\Bruce Emery thing which seems to so aggravate you.
    
    What disturbed me, and many other people, was the way that the “Sensible Sentencing Trust” and certain sections of the media—the Herald and NewstalkZB especially—immediately vilified the victim. It wasn’t simply a kneejerk reaction, it carried on for months, and months.
    
    People get killed in NZ quite regularly and I could point to lots of cases where justice was probably not done but unfortunately imperfect systems give imperfect results and that’s just the way it is whether you or I like it or not.
    
    Fair comment, my friend. This case was different, however: I had never heard such organized and comprehensive ridiculing and damnation of a victim of a crime before. Not in this country.
    
    Sometimes you have to move on and let things go.
    
    I agree. I rarely talk about this terrible case any more—but the publication of a piece praising the organization that led that terrible campaign was a provocation I could not ignore.
    
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    October 13, 2018 1:45pm
- Paulus
  
  Dunne Powell is a superstar in Mount Maunganui PR scene now.
  She is everywhere.
  
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  October 13, 2018 2:29pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Thanks for that, Paulus.
    
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    October 13, 2018 2:33pm
Philview

Just read an article on Stuff that Chinese funding of New Zealand Universities compromises academic freedoms. Then no comments allowed under the article, I had to laugh.
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October 13, 2018 11:30am
- Prince
  
  Stuff is removing the Comments section in most political stories now. The volume of anti-Govt sentiment was proving embarrassing both the Stuff and the Government.
  
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  October 13, 2018 1:07pm
  - sooty
    
    Dont forget the writer of that shit aswell.
    
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    October 13, 2018 3:58pm
  - igm
    
    Prince: That will be at the request of the gutless Little bastard. The editorial unions are still compliant to his wishes and demands. Once a leeching unionist, always a leeching unionist.
    
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    October 14, 2018 2:46pm
Viking2

It’s been snowing. snow on Mt. Tarawera and looks like a good covering. Bloody cold in the BOP. 7 degrees. not tropical but here is a topical thought about snow.
https://scontent.fakl3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42878842_10156467056185673_515869432455626752_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=6e8ae3b1c87fdd9ca7c37817655aecca&oe=5C47C638
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October 13, 2018 11:36am
- DigNap15
  
  So if the world warms up by 1.5degrees
  Then next year it will be 8.5 degrees – still bloody cold!
  
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  October 13, 2018 12:03pm
Komata

Viking2

Because it’s ‘Owned’ by Maori, and they charge before anyone sets foot on it, I wonder if the snow has permission to actually BE on Mt Tarawera, and if it it paid a koha before descending?
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October 13, 2018 11:48am
Fletch

Meanwhile, ahead of the midterm elections, Facebook has closed down over 800 accounts, many of them conservative.

many of the accounts and pages removed appear to be legitimate pages and accounts, many of whom are conservative or libertarian in their content and discussion topics. From Conservative bloggers NoisyRoom, to the page for Right Wing News, which reportedly had more than 3 million follower, reports of legitmate accounts being taken down spread quickly:

SIREN: Facebook just shut down the ‘Right Wing News’ page with its 3.1 million followers https://t.co/PiL5XSKShn

— Lisa Mei Crowley (@LisaMei62) October 12, 2018

Facebook took down my page with nearly 70,000 followers, labeling it as “spam,” when I have spent 4 years working to build that page up and using it to post the articles I wrote and videos of my reporting. This is so incredibly wrong and is affecting hundreds of similar pages.

— Rachel Blevins (@RachBlevins) October 11, 2018

Antiwar critics of establishment politics @AntiMedia and @TFTPROJECT just had their pages with millions of followers deleted by Facebook, along with hundreds of other alternative media outlets. Latest escalation of corporate censorship used as state censorship in the west. pic.twitter.com/Fdk9Yd13jI

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) October 11, 2018

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/12/midterm-meddling-facebook-blacklists-800-accounts-and-pages-to-fight-fake-news/
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October 13, 2018 12:16pm
Jack5

An example of ignorant, biased reporting at the Hooerald today, in an article asserting that “babies born close to death are less likely to get life-saving treatment if they’re Maori, Pacific or Indian.”

This report either wilfully, or ignorantly, twists a technical term of statistics to emotionally charge an article with an anti-white racist spin. Shame on the NZ Herald.

First, what the Hooerald says.

The article reports that resuscitation was tried on 92 per cent of Maori babies, 89 per cent of Pacific, and 86 per cent of Indian. That compared to 95 per cent for “other”, mostly pakeha (European) and non-Indian Asians. (As a side issue, note the difference between Maori and white babies – three percentage points; and the difference between Indian and Maori babies – six percentage points.)

The report says:

The divides were outlined in a report to Health Minister David Clark, by the Perinatal and Maternal Mortality Review Committee, a taxpayer-funded watchdog tasked with reviewing deaths of babies and mothers.

“Maori, Pacific and Indian live born babies were statistically significantly less likely to have an attempt at resuscitation,” the committee stated.

“Institutional bias or implicit biases are likely to play at least some part.”

The Herald reporter has confused “statistical significance” with the meaning typical tabloid reporters give to the word “significant”.

Here is a borrowed definition of the word as it applies to statistics:

“In principle, a statistically significant result (usually a difference) is a result that’s not attributed to chance.

“More technically, it means that if the Null Hypothesis is true (which means there really is no difference), there’s a low probability of getting a result that large or larger.

All of this is way above the head of the Hooerald scribbler. He sees the word “significant” and thinks this applies to the difference of a few percentage points in the result.

The Hooerald report includes headings saying “shock finding” and “racism in healthcare”.

This is a journalistic beat-up, and a nasty one.
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October 13, 2018 12:29pm
- Jack5
  
  Here’s one of the results that such distorted reporting causes.
  
  The Hooerald reports:
  
  All eligible Maori and Pacific job candidates are now automatically fast-tracked straight to interview.
  
  If they’re not hired, managers must give specific feedback to HR, so the unsuccessful candidate can be coached to improve their chances in future interviews.
  
  If that’s not racist preference, what is?
  
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  October 13, 2018 12:30pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It’s all about achieving “equality of outcomes” which is a marker for Marxism.
    
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    October 13, 2018 1:08pm
  - DigNap15
    
    If I ever go to A&E remind me to ask for a doctor tat got good marks and has a good brain and a steady hand.
    
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    October 13, 2018 1:15pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny Jack 5 they are also getting some strong competition from Orango Tangle Department offering better wages than NGO Social Service providers who are loosing staff rapidly.
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:47pm
Manolo

Spot on:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/haley-slams-un-for-electing-more-human-rights-abusers-to-human-rights-council/ar-BBOiDEF

Outgoing U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley criticized the U.N. Friday after its General Assembly elected 18 new members to the controversial Human Rights Council — including countries with poor human rights records.

Of the 18, six are classified by U.N. Watch, a human rights watch group based in Switzerland, as human rights abusers — Somalia, Eritrea, Cameroon, Bangladesh, Philippines and Bahrain. Those countries will join other countries with poor human rights records, such as Cuba, China, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, on the world’s top human rights body.
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October 13, 2018 12:33pm
- simpleton1
  
  But..but… they do support human rights.
  
  Some actively support human rights in their culture.
  That is the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, Aug. 5, 1990, U.N. GAOR,
  
  Islamic Ummah which Allah made as the best community and which gave humanity a universal and well-balanced civilization, in which harmony is established between hereunder and the hereafter, knowledge is combined with faith, and to fulfill the expectations from this community to guide all humanity which is confused because of different and conflicting beliefs and ideologies and to provide solutions for all chronic problems of this materialistic civilization.
  
  In contribution to the efforts of mankind to assert human rights, to protect man from exploitation and persecution, and to affirm his freedom and right to a dignified life in accordance with the Islamic Shari’ah.
  
  Convinced that mankind which has reached an advanced stage in materialistic science is still, and shall remain, in dire need of faith to support its civilization as well as a self motivating force to guard its rights;
  
  Believing that fundamental rights and freedoms according to Islam are an integral part of the Islamic religion and that no one shall have the right as a matter of principle to abolish them either in whole or in part or to violate or ignore them in as much as they are binding divine commands, which are contained in the Revealed Books of Allah and which were sent through the last of His Prophets to complete the preceding divine messages and that safeguarding those fundamental rights and freedoms is an act of worship whereas the neglect or violation thereof is an abominable sin, and that the safeguarding of those fundamental rights and freedom is an individual responsibility of every person and a collective responsibility of the entire Ummah; http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/instree/cairodeclaration.html
  
  A quick scroll to the bottom and then see the very brief and concise Article 24 & 25
  That seems why it is so important that muslims struggle to change world views to understanding Allah, and so join the best of people. 🙂
  
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  October 13, 2018 12:58pm
- DigNap15
  
  You could not write a funnier comedy line.
  
  As I have said its really time for us to pull out of the UN and its corrupt, evil membership.
  
  Of those countries mentioned above 6 of them are muslim, I suppose they only mean male human rights!
  
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  October 13, 2018 1:18pm
rightoverlabour

and in other news.. Is this in preparation for her fitting of an Orange Jumpsuit?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clintons-security-clearance-removed-at-her-request-judiciary-committee-reveals

Now calling all the Anti Trumpists, 3. 2. 1….
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October 13, 2018 1:52pm
Jack5

An article on Stuff highlights the difficulties Maori in Australia can have if they aren’t Australian citizens.

It seems one hurdle is the cost of a family applying for citizenship – about $10,000 for a family of four.

There ought to be some means of setting up a fund, or money club, to help Maori (and other NZ’ers who need help) to apply for citizenship then re-pay. This would enable them to tap into the education and other help available for Australian citizens.

It wouldn’t cost a huge amount. Ngai Tahu and Waikato Maori, from their tax-free business earnings could easily put up a million dollars each to help to launch the fund, which would become self-supporting. Perhaps NZ tribes could guarantee loans to their people in Australia.

For a struggling family of four, a ten-year loan at 3 per cent, with monthly repayment of capital and interest might mean payment of about $108 a month. The benefits would greatly outweigh this which would be the equivalent of payment of about $25 a week. It might be possible to get in temporary sick-payment coverage insurance in this for a another dollar or two a week.

(I hope my ancient maths aren’t too rusty!)
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October 13, 2018 2:00pm
- sooty
  
  I think that Taxinda should pay for them all to become ctizerns. After all treaty of waitangi and all that.
  
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  October 13, 2018 3:54pm
- Piniwi
  
  Forget the maths Jack5 it is still a matter of choices while also accepting the consequences of their decisions. Do you honestly believe such people would be interested in “tapping into education needs?” Or that any local far now would be the least bit interested any who are so much more far now from the reservation? They are not even interested in those they drive past in their Treaty trinkets.
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:59pm
big bruv

And now for todays good news.

It looks like Guy Williams might be out of work.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/107818513/jono-and-ben-over-up-to-25-people-including-guy-williams-alice-snedden-could-lose-jobs
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October 13, 2018 2:04pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps he and Golly can make a baby to play with Neve TeAroha Ardern Gayford and Julie Genter’s son.
  
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  October 13, 2018 2:17pm
- lifesgood
  
  Couldn’t happen to nicer people.
  
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  October 13, 2018 6:20pm
- Piniwi
  
  How sad big bruv but lets hope this does not encourage to Golly Wog extend her “political” career.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:02pm
Johnboy

And for the second bit of good news today:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/107786980/auckland-woman-fined-150-for-driving-85kmh-in-100kmh-zone
This women is an idiot she should have got 110 demerits for stupidity. 🙂
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October 13, 2018 2:14pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  People who sit in the right lane doing well under the speed limit are a hazard. Everyone knows to keep left if not overtaking, don’t they?
  
  She got off light, IMO.
  
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  October 13, 2018 5:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Of course, if this was in reverse say 65 in a 50 zone petrol head would be howling and sulking in indignation!
  
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  October 14, 2018 3:03pm
igm

I have recently read the same article. This silly old bint should be put off the road, as any other imbecile who drives at that speed in a right hand lane.
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October 13, 2018 2:33pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree. I was going to post it myself.
  Of course the MSM emphasised that she got fined ‘for driving too slow’. You had to dig deep to find that she was actually in the right hand lane.
  Shouldn’t be allowed on the road. The cops could fill their coffers on a daily basis if they would actually police this.
  
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  October 13, 2018 3:01pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Quite so. It’s utterly amazing the number of self appointed traffic cops we have in Godzone. The moral seems to be “I’m doing up to 100kph max so I’ll sit in the right hand lane because I want to be in the right hand lane for the turn off 20k up the road”.
    Shooting’s too good for the bastards. 🙂
    
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    October 13, 2018 3:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

“I want to be in the right hand lane for the turn off 20k up the road”.

And that’s not an excuse any more since the Nelson St. off ramp was changed from the right to the left lane about 15 years ago.
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October 13, 2018 3:26pm
- Johnboy
  
  You’ve never driven State two out of Welly recently then Captain? 🙂
  
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  October 13, 2018 3:36pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Do it all the time and yes there are right lane hoggers all the way from the tunnel. But State two isn’t exactly a right lane off ramp, more like the road splits with two lanes going to each of SH1 and SH2. And the same hoggers do it in the opposite direction where there is no opportunity to peel right.
    They would do it on any multi-lane road, it’s not a question of getting ready for the road going right.
    Retards the lot of them.
    
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    October 13, 2018 3:51pm
    - Johnboy
      
      She was heading north under the Petone overbridge and I was going left heading for the Esplanade if you wish to be pedantic old chap. 🙂
      
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      October 13, 2018 4:05pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        So you were in the left exit lane and she was in the right lane going under the overbridge because she was a road hog and should have been in the centre lane (because the left lane disappears to Petone and she didn’t want to go there). Have I got that right?
        
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        October 13, 2018 4:14pm
      - Johnboy
        
        No! 🙂
        
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        October 13, 2018 4:21pm
      - Johnboy
        
        If you actually travelled the road you would know that left and right lanes both go under the Petone overbridge and the lane to the Petone Esplanade just turns off to the left before the bridge. 🙂
        
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        October 13, 2018 4:28pm
    - igm
      
      I heard a Pom on Wellington talkback once say he would drive in the right hand lane at 100kph, it being his his right. Why should he give way to speeding hoons.
      Was heading to the Hutt on a motorbike a couple of weeks later and there was an arsehole in the right lane doing about 75kph, I flashed him and then went between he and cars on the left. Stopped at Petone petrol station, he pulled in, started giving me a rev, and man he was a bereted Pom with a real attitude.
      He told me he was handing my number into the gendarmerie and all the usual shit, then threatened to run me over, but drove off like a f/wit wimp.
      Always wondered if he was the prick on radio that morning.
      
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      October 13, 2018 5:10pm
RW Capitalist

How about we make a ledger, 2 lists (as an economic exercise)
Left side of the page
All thing subject to tax (levies etc),with the tax /levies removed. ie the raw economy
On the right, all the things the govt. spends money on.
Go through the right hand list and remove ALL non essential /waistful spending.
Then go through all the “like to haves” and cross them out too.
Left with “essentials”
Now add GST to the left column
Then start adding income tax until the columns balance.
Here is what the govt. should do (balance the books)
Add a small % for unforeseen things and payment of current debt and future expansion.
The economy would explode in growth.
Jobs not welfare would be and should be the centre of attention in ALL economies
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October 13, 2018 3:26pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107814782/smart-meter-failures-see-customers-hit-with-big-bills
Now as I understand it smart meters dial up the power company every 30 minutes telling them what you have used. Due to my rural nature It took them six attempts with six sets of workers to get mine right which finally involved an additional aerial. How can this lady have six estimated accounts?
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October 13, 2018 4:19pm
Manolo

Sellers of smoke and paedophiles:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/pope-accepts-resignation-of-washington-archbishop-in-sex-abuse-crisis/ar-BBOhLpz

Pope Francis has accepted the resignation of Cardinal Donald Wuerl as archbishop of Washington, D.C., the Vatican said on Friday, making him one of the most senior Catholic figures to step down in a worldwide sexual abuse crisis.

Wuerl, 77, who was bishop of Pittsburgh between 1988 and 2006, has been under scrutiny over his handling of sexual abuse cases during that period. He keeps the title of cardinal.

Wuerl has been under fire since the release in August of a U.S. Grand Jury report on sexual abuse found evidence that at least 1,000 people, mostly children, had been sexually abused by some 300 clergymen over the course of 70 years. The report covered six diocese in Pennsylvania, including Pittsburgh when it was led by Wuerl.
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October 13, 2018 4:47pm
- nasska
  
  Those involved might enjoy a game of Catholic Chess.
  
  What happens is that a Bishop can mate any piece that takes his fancy.
  
  He is then moved to a new chessboard in a different room & the whole thing’s forgotten.
  
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  October 13, 2018 4:57pm
Viking2

Pakistan has formally asked the International Monetary Fund for financial assistance, the fund said on Thursday, amid concerns over its ability to meet its external debt obligations as the country battles dwindling foreign currency reserves.

IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde said in a statement she had met with Pakistan’s Minister of Finance, Revenue and Economic Affairs Asad Umar, Governor of the State Bank of Pakistan Tariq Bajwa and members of the economic team on the sidelines of the IMF and World Bank annual meetings in Bali.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Pakistan-formally-asks-IMF-for-help2

Any sort of luck and they won’t get a loan and then they can call on the rest of the vile religion for help.
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October 13, 2018 5:10pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Maybe the condition should be loans are on the basis they stop executing Christian women
  
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  October 13, 2018 5:30pm
  - Komata
    
    SR
    
    The IMF is a UN subsidiary and we know which religious group holds sway within the parent organisation..
    
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    October 13, 2018 6:21pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The evangelical Christians dictating US foreign policy?
      
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      October 13, 2018 7:22pm
waikatogirl

Cindy is changing the law so she can demand fuel companies have to open their books for the government to assess whether they are price gouging. Either the private fuel companies will happily comply as it is government taxes gouging buyers of fuel, not they, or the fuel companies will fight this tooth and nail through the courts. Forcing private companies to prove to Cindy they are not making too much profit. That’s not going to go down well with the markets!!
#NotMYPM
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October 13, 2018 6:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  @ waikatogirl it has alreay been reported that the oil companies are not just happy to participate but are very keen for the COL to get on with a review. However this is just another of the silly little girls announcements that only serves as a diversion. The legislation will now be put through under urgency having waited a year. Also the review process will take at least a year before any measures in the new law can be applied. If the legislation drafted is up to their usual standard it is unlikely there will be any “adjustments” before late 2019 or even early 2020.
  Standard MO stalling tactics from Labour that are most likely needed because A) the worst is yet to come for fuel price increases and B) they can not afford to even consider the roll back of their increases.
  
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  October 13, 2018 9:21pm
Johnboy

I think you meant to say….. “That’s going to go down well with the marxists!!” 🙂
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October 13, 2018 6:50pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Yes JB, your’re right. I edited that it is not going to go down with the markets. As you say the marxists will love the idea. They will blow a frufru valve if the fuel companies tell the government to get stuffed. Cindy will end up with egg on her face over this. ?
  
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  October 13, 2018 6:54pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s sweet wg…..She’ll wave her bubbie in front of them fukin egg tosser bastards! 🙂
    
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    October 13, 2018 6:57pm
Johnboy

I find this article quite amazing really. I can hardly imagine that anybody would want to take ownership of any of these female bodies. 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/107825128/beyond-kate-ownership-and-rights-over-the-female-body
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October 13, 2018 8:01pm
- nasska
  
  Not while there’s dogs on the street anyway! 🙂
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:06pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It always amazes me how ugly wimmen can take themselves so seriously nasska. Have none of them ever invested in a mirror? 🙂
    
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    October 13, 2018 8:10pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s a phenomenon of our time JB. Pretty girls think they’re plain & the fat mingers think they’re bloody supermodels.
      
      Woof, woof! 🙂
      
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      October 13, 2018 8:13pm
      - Johnboy
        
        What can I say. I’ve always been a sucker for a big Venusian mound! 🙂
        
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        October 13, 2018 8:15pm
The Heat

“First Bloke Clarke Gayford has owned up to his “#jeancrimes” with a throwback image to his days on C4. The Fish of the Day host shared an image from the launch of the Kiwi music channel to Instagram”.

– Stuff tackling the big issues, as usual.
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October 13, 2018 8:22pm
- Johnboy
  
  Any fellow who can ejaculate accurately enough to create the first baby and erect himself enough to become the first chap deserves far more respect than you seem to be showing Heat old chap. 🙂
  
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  October 13, 2018 8:28pm
Captain Mainwaring

Nice to beat the Ockers at their own bogan game………….
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