General Debate 21 October 2017

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krazykiwi

The seeingly impossible has been achieved. It’s a new low from the Herald … going after Bridges’ mum for commentary.
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October 21, 2018 8:01am
- Thought Criminal
  
  They’re not called the Horrid for no reason.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:04am
- srylands
  
  I think that is actually his grandmother. According to his bio she raised him. Makes sense given the article says she is 80 and he is 32.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:07am
  - tas
    
    Bridges is 42 and the youngest of 6 children, which explains why his mother is 80. You’re thinking of Ross who is 32 and was raised by his grandmother.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:16am
    - srylands
      
      Oops. Thanks for that. Too early.
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:24am
      - sooty
        
        New media low, or common as shit.
        
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        October 21, 2018 8:32am
      - GazzaW
        
        They can’t even give the paper away.
        
        We had a free five week subscription as a part of our AA membership which went largely unread. The Herald followed that up with an offer of $7 a week for all seven papers which we declined due to lack of family interest. They repeated the $7 offer three weeks ago with the added incentive of a $100 Farmers gift card which we again declined. Next move?
        
        The Herald could try shifting a large chunk of its obviously sizeable marketing budget into hiring some decent experienced journalists and desist from cutting and pasting articles from offshore sources that have no relevance to NZ.
        
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        October 21, 2018 12:05pm
  - Harkman
    
    Srylands I went through my family ancestry and found a great grandmother^?? In the early 19th century who had her first at 18 and her last at 48! She had like 16-18 kids! 30 years of being pregnant screw that.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:28am
    - srylands
      
      Yes I’ve done similar. My great great grandmother had 12 kids. Died giving birth to number 12. And of those 12 kids the one born FIRST outlived all the others. Died in 2000 aged 100.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:50am
    - madamezucchininz
      
      …my great grandmother had fourteen children…..eleven surviving til very old…..My Nana was the eldest….when I was born I had two great grandmothers….I was very close with my Nana…..if I had behaved like Jamie Leak Toss….she would have been gutted and probably would have given me a slap…..I feel for the collateral damage that Toss has caused and has never given a toss about….talk about self-entitlitis…
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:58am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Tomorrow the media will attempt to interview Simon’s pet cat for his/her perspective.
  
  The headline will probably read “The Claws are out for Simon Bridges”.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:08am
  - VicParking
    
    Already done that. A number of pussy’s have come forward to say they were used and abused.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:35am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ah those were JLR’s cats I think.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:09am
  - peterwn
    
    AFAIK Moonlight did not give media interviews.
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:02pm
- Longknives
  
  This is pretty poor.
  Imagine if they went to Jacinda’s 80 year old Grandparent for comment after she had been caught out telling one of her MANY lies?
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:16am
  - flipper
    
    Absolutely right LK ….
    and
    Everyone should recall what happened to Moyle when he attacked Tam Muldoon and her cat.
    Several months later, Moyle was “done like a dinner” when RDM related what had occurred near the Hotel de Brett. Moyle was compelled to resign in disgrace.
    
    BTW …..
    
    I make no comparison or suggestion, but the Saudis never tolerate crap from writers – no matter how they describe (Kassohgi) by the lib media.
    Political dirt remains political dirt. Subterfuge and or deflection does not wash it off. There will be pay-back ….. and individual MSM folks and / or their employers will be targets.
    They should remember that!
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:45am
    - Jack5
      
      Hell, Flipper. Are you threatening NZ journo’s with assassination?
      
      ? I think humour is a better response. Simon Bridges might adopt this as his theme before the Lefties use it against him:
      
      https://youtu.be/kgeIINs1TrQ
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:15am
      - flipper
        
        Balls… No comparison and I make (and am not) nor able to threaten anyone. I simply draw comparisons and post a timely reminder.
        One of my comments above was mis-ordered (by my stumble fingers and a crazy edit system). But everyone should remember “that what goes around, comes around”
        
        And the media pussies should recall their brown-nosing Clinton support after the Benghazi, Libya rape and murder of the Ambassador (Stevens), and three others.
        But the Saudi cocktail circuit crawler was different…. but….
        Back to NZ…..
        HDPA and-Barely Sober, Garner, Mau, Young, Trevett et al are creeps that need to recall what has happened to others. When they least expect it, past mis-deeds have a habit is finding daylight.
        As I say, I make no threats or promises. I am simply looking at what has happened in the past!
        
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        October 21, 2018 9:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        A bit late and also a bit pathetic.
        
        Remember, it was a song glorifying heroes so the sentiments may well be right, he has certainly looked pretty sharp this week.
        
        Mind you, even Gareth Morgan looks sharp compared to the coalition of dickwits.
        
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        October 21, 2018 6:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      How can we get Ross to visit an Embassy ?
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:48am
  - Harkman
    
    Remember they’d never do that to Cindy, her family is “kept out of politics.” Though her father is milking it in a classic example of nepotism.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:31am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It was the Nats who first appointed Ross Ardern as High Commissioner to Niue.
      
      It makes sense for the CoL to put him in as Administrator for Tokelau.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ardern
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:59am
  - fluffykiwi
    
    Well they used grandpas and the hospital for the sympathy vote.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:41am
  - doggone7
    
    If you’re going to play silly games like that …
    
    I don’t know if John Key’s mum is alive or was when he was in the seat. If they’d they wanted to easily get comment every time he lied the different media companies would’ve found it best to just buy all the houses in the neighbourhood and move in for ease of access.
    
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    October 21, 2018 2:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Good try but really amateurish. Give HQ a call and get a few pointers as your comment is neither useful nor an acceptable troll.
      
      All you do is highlight the fact that the current occupier of that seat is a bare faced liar.
      
      So, for the record..
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 6:02pm
- macdee
  
  Agreed but she did not have to talk to them and she should have been warned they would come calling
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some people are open and honest. It is not in their nature to be rude or uncooperative.
    Newspapers are willing to exploit those qualities.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:51am
    - Jules99
      
      Especially older people. I had to train my mum to hang up on telemarketers.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:22am
      - Tall Man
        
        I trained my mum to talk to them and not listen. As she was a bit deaf she was really good at it.
        
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        October 21, 2018 6:03pm
  - fluffykiwi
    
    If she is in a resthome I am surprised that it was allowed. there is privacy concerns not only for her but the other residents.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:00am
    - gump
      
      Resthomes aren’t prison camps.
      
      Residents are allowed to use the telephones.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:11pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        If family’s are out of bounds..then surely a mother in a rest home is out of bounds.
        If a “BABY” is out of bounds, unless it’s mother wants to shamelessly use it as a human shield against any criticism of her incompetence.
        Coveting images of all things baby/motherhood as a defense against corruption lies.
        then surely a mother in a rest home is out of bounds.
        BUT then again decency never entered into the character of any Labour party or left leaning MSM, or their supporters, for that matter, in my EXTENSIVE experience around anyone associated with the Labour party.
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:35pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        I assume it was you who down ticked my reply.
        Funny how you knew straight away, who I was talking about.
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:56pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Is it a low thing to do?
        
        Is Ardern a liar?
        
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        October 21, 2018 6:04pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    We protect “the oldies” against these unscrupulous guys trying to sell them things like
    Those trucks that scour the neighbourhoods
    Guys that want to con them into doing their driveway or roof etc.
    BUT it’s somehow OK for MSM reporters to try and dupe them into political comment, or something that will be twisted into political comment?
    
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    October 21, 2018 2:43pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  And another with some reference to ‘burning Bridges’
  
  These ‘puns’ injected into the miserable presentations -paraded out as ‘reporting’ are tiresome, even more so when delivered with the skill of a seven year old with the pause at the beginning of the ‘clever’ word, the word then pronounced slowly and in an enlongated fashion to be completed with a kiwi typical upward lilt suggesting a question with a little grin and the Cambell trick of dropping the chin and looking at you through the top of ones eyes.
  
  ‘Golly gosh’ I always think, ‘that was clever, didn’t see that coming’
  
  The MSM are a sad and sorry collection of toss pots, maybe that could be the collective noun for a group participating in a ritual circle jerk; a msm
  
  I think we need to be grateful Jonathan Hunt did not get the Ross saga, it would have kept the bozo’s tounge tied all week aside from the gweens reclaiming ‘their’ word.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:33am
  - MGT
    
    So puns are bad, but deliberate misspelling of names is ok?
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:36am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Paulus spelt bozo wrong?
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:54am
      - Paulus
        
        Paulus Gnome you mean, not me the original Paulus.
        But I do not mind really.
        We are on similar minds anyway.
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:51am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Cambell is better than arsewipe that I orginally had.
      
      Thanks for the spell check, now get along as there will be one or two more for you to fixate on elsewhere here.
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:55am
      - MGT
        
        I was referring to your spelling of Greens
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:18am
      - itstricky
        
        Hillarous. In the same post, no less.
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:43am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Here, have a tissue.
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:47am
    - Tall Man
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:10am
      - sooty
        
        Yes, she is!
        
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        October 21, 2018 9:29am
      - igm
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108008239/nz-government-condemns-khashoggi-killing-calling-it-deeply-disturbing
        Ardern is going to be another who may need to watch where she travels in days to come also.
        
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        October 21, 2018 4:39pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Maybe some respect needs to be EARNED, before spelling becomes something we pay attention to?
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:40pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      ‘…, but deliberate misspelling of names is ok?’
      
      By people just having a laugh on KB, yes.
      
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      October 21, 2018 3:01pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        If I think someone has done something bad.
        I just leave the respect of capitalizing their name, OFF.
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:09pm
      - itstricky
        
        having a laugh
        
        Golly gosh, I think to myself. That use of ‘Gweens’ was so clever. I just didn’t see it coming.
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Yes and your point is?
      
      Is the tooth fairy a liar?
      
      Does the media give all coalition liars a free pass?
      
      How many MSM labour sycophants did JLR screw?
      
      Are National MPs better in Bed?
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 6:08pm
  - Philview
    
    There are a few rumours about JLR and his bedroom antics with female reporters. This has at least given fresh insight into the motivations of the MSM related to Simon Bridges.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:14am
    - stephen2d
      
      It is more likely the reason why the media has gone a notch down on reporting the saga.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:51am
- Keeping Stock
  
  It’s also inaccurate:
  
  The Opposition leader’s mother was also upset her son was vilified as a racist.
  
  The same recording revealed Bridges saying “Two Chinese would be more valuable than two Indians”.
  
  To the best of my recollection, it was Jami-Lee Ross who made that particular comment, and not Bridges. But since when has the Herald worried about accuracy?
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:35am
  - dog_eat_dog
    
    This was definitely Ross and other organisations are reporting it as so.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:39am
  - mic
    
    I think they’ve altered it now, just had another read and it says’Ross telling Bridges’.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:09am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Good stuff. I tagged them into a tweet suggesting a correction and an apology, so the message appears to have got through, for the former at least 😀
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:22am
      - mic
        
        Good luck trying to get an apology from them!
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:34am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      How many read it BEFORE the change?
      and
      Never saw the change or apology?
      These ass holes play the game this way.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:46am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        At least his mum made a very good comment about the Chinese/Indian point: Bridges, like all politicians, knows that the demographic mix needs to be represented.
        
        Evil and slimy though it was of the Herald to bother his mother, she actually sounded pretty sensible.
        
        But what is this country coming to, journalists pursuing politicians’ mums as if they were naughty schoolboys?
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:06pm
  - Harkman
    
    “when has the Herald worried about accuracy?” Has anybody on here lived long enough to remember a time when the Herald was accurate? ?
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:35am
    - G152
      
      Page numbering is quite accurate as is paper name.
      But that’s down to the Tradesmen and women
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:08am
      - Tall Man
        
        Index often accurate.
        
        I just made that up 🙂
        
        As the man said, it’s a paper they can’t give away so I stopped reading it years ago.
        
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        October 21, 2018 6:10pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Accuracy went out the window the day that the Horton family sold out to offshore interests.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:13pm
    - Nermal
      
      If I remember correctly the even had a small column showing corrections. probably had to drop it when it took up too much space
      
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      October 21, 2018 1:50pm
- Simon
  
  China is the world’s biggest prison for journalists, media watchdog Reporters Without Borders (RSF) has said. According to its annual report, 52 journalists are currently detained in the country.
  
  In its annual report on violence and abuses against journalists published on Monday, the watchdog said that China “continues to improve its arsenal of measures for persecuting journalists and bloggers.”
  
  https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/12/20/china-worlds-biggest-prison-journalists-says-media-watchdog-reporters-without-borders/
  
  Bridges the guy paid off by the same people that lock up journalists. At least the Herald wont cover that so you should be happy they go his mum.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:11am
    - sooty
      
      Yes, she is!
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:30am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Proven!
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:33am
      - holysheet
        
        Sqwark, sqwark
        Have you got a link to that??
        LOL
        
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        October 21, 2018 9:38am
      - Harkman
        
        Didn’t Sir Issac Newton once write, “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And btw Jacinda Ardern is a liar.” ?
        
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        October 21, 2018 9:40am
      - sooty
        
        Does that mean that Jethro is as pure as driven snow?
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:44am
    - starboard
      
      yes, and her pants are on fire.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:41pm
    - Jinky
      
      In my experience most politicians are liars. Why should she be any different?
      
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      October 21, 2018 5:35pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    China and Saudi Arabia are populated by people with a stone age mentality.
    
    They have yet to join the 21 century as regards their behaviours and should be treated as such.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:41am
    - stephen2d
      
      I don’t think you’ve been to China, have you?
      Agree without saudis
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:05pm
  - Nermal
    
    If we imprisoned reporters for false or slanted news we’d be in the top of that list too
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Who said we couldn’t learn from the Chinese?
    
    If their media is as full of biased inaccurate horseshit as ours then they need to be incarcerated.
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:12pm
- peterwn
  
  Heard of another instance of this sort of thing (no names as the mother told me directly).
  The son of a well known Kiwi family made the headlines in UK. It was nothing wrong or objectionable, just slightly outrageous.
  The Times phoned mum, this being when international phone calls were rather expensive. Mum thought it was a hoax and gave some flippant answers to the caller’s questions. A few days later the son phoned mum and said ‘what have you been telling the Times?’
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:49am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Does she, like most people, think he’s useless and that his party’s doomed?
  
  And what does she think of her daughter in law?
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:52am
  - sooty
    
    Nasty Morrrisey!
    
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    October 21, 2018 11:45am
    - starboard
      
      Morris is just grumpy . Late home from an all night fisting party where he was the receiver, and coming down off his P.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:44pm
  - peterwn
    
    For ‘most’ read ‘one or two’.
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:05pm
  - igm
    
    Hope you end up in Saudi you vile and gutless POS.
    
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    October 21, 2018 4:57pm
  - Tall Man
    
    See what I mean, your comment is hidden so your stupidity knows no bounds.
    
    I love it and we can continue to downtick you and comment what a moron you are without reading your bile.
    
    Awesome.
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:14pm
- David Garrett
  
  What an absolute fucking disgrace…the woman is 80 years old FFS…
  
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  October 21, 2018 2:54pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Seemed pretty onto it and sharp, though.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:09pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    The new title for:
    “The Labour handbook of decent behavour.”
    will be
    ” The Machiavellian bumper sticker book for the visually impaired.”
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:13pm
- David Garrett
  
  What absolute fucking disgrace…Note to David Fisher and all other Herald “reporters”…a story peripherally involving me will break in the next wee while…Don’t even think about coming out here…
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:00pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Are your shot guns locked away?
    Suggest leaving them by the door.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:15pm
    - GJM
      
      As I recall, Mr Garrett lives in the country and occasionally drives earthmoving equipment. Who needs an embassy….
      
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      October 21, 2018 6:18pm
Thought Criminal

In the long term it has to be a good thing to get rid of someone as toxic as JLR. The question is, will it impact National in the poles?
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October 21, 2018 8:04am
- fernglas
  
  Not just the poles, it will hurt like hell in the hemispheres as well.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:06am
  - Komata
    
    fg
    
    Tardish ‘Oi’!!!
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:09am
  - iMP
    
    I think we mean the “polls,” not the Poles. They are a small voting demographic in NZ.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      But with great salami and smoked bacon.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:13am
  - GazzaW
    
    ….and how about the russians?
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:17pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  No, Labour is responsible for the transmission of electricity now, and most streets in Botany have underground power.
  
  Oh; you mean polls?
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:08am
  - sooty
    
    Do you mean that people living in that rich pricks area with chinky sounding names don’t have them ugly looking, sticky, uppy things that kill poeople! What about the rest of NZ.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:38am
- peterwn
  
  It will most probably have some negative effect. However it is a Jami versus all the other National MP’s, so it is not as if there are pro-Jami and anti-Jami warring factions. Apart from having to deal with it, it seems to be business as usual in the National caucus. Chris Bishop for example is still posting to Facebook about all his usual electorate activities. It would be crazy to have a leadership spill right at this moment although this cannot be ruled out later.
  Jacinda has been low-key on this – ‘there but for the grace of God go I’. While Labour/ Winston has been gifted a wonderful opportunity, the issue is whether they will use it effectively or wisely. Or whether Labour MP’s and Ministers think National is doomed and let their guard down.
  If the National caucus stays unified, this would undo most of the damage inflicted by Jami.
  There was a leadership spill in National just over a year out from the 1975 election and Rob Muldoon became National’s leader. The whole caucus got right behind Rob and was united and this unity was an important factor in National winning the 1975 election.
  Perhaps National MP’s should let things settle down for a few months then consider whether there should be a leadership contest, then re-unify so a new leader if any has a clear run for 2020.
  “The over-arching objective of a political party is to get into power and if in power stay in power”. There should be a big sign to this effect in National’s caucus room so their MP’s can bear this in mind before saying or doing anything.
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:13am
  - Harkman
    
    Seriously, if National stays above 40% in the polls with this bad news, the party won’t mind. Under 40% and some of the backbencer / list candidates will start getting nervous. It is always the same.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:21am
    - Notsofast
      
      I assume, and DF will know to what extent, that Indian and Chinese votes are essential for this stubborn polling above 40%.
      They are races with no comprehension of welfare, and there are huge numbers in New Zealand.
      The Indian vote is now heading to other parties, this is a disaster for National, as the comment will never be spun away. Simon Bridges erred in just one respect, he got caught. No one can survive being secretly recorded and published, maybe only Jesus.
      Everyone I speak to believed that Jamie Lee Ross did something illegal, like that cup of coffee with John Key that was accidentally recorded, and the police got involved.
      Not sure how this is different.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:02am
      - backster
        
        Well the last news about the Indian vote was when some Labour mate of Goofs voted 34 times using the names and addresses of other Indians. Then there was his Indian honeypot who entrapped a National member.
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:15am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Sorry backster…reported by mistake.
        The name you are looking for is Richard Worth.
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:52pm
      - Tall Man
        
        What a load of bollocks. Indians as a race in NZ value hard work and fair reward.
        
        Why the fuck would they ever support a welfare based party like Gweens and Liarbour? As for NZ first, they would cut their neighbours’s balls off before voting for a clown like Winston.
        
        Back to labour HQ to get another falsehood to spread, this one doesn’t fly…ever.
        
        Is Ardern a liar?
        
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        October 21, 2018 6:19pm
    - sooty
      
      Does that mean if nationals polls are above 40% labours will be on the floor?
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:49am
- Morrissey
  
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  JLR might be toxic, but he’s a mild toxin compared to such corrosive, fizzing and dangerous toxins as Collins, Brownlee, Woodhouse, and Bennett….
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:01am
  - backster
    
    cont. Adern, Little, Winston, Twitford, Jones, Claire, etc,
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:18am
  - Lance
    
    Have you ever made a comment that was anything other than lefty trolling?
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:45am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      A few times, then it’s generally bitter and twisted self loathing.
      
      Mind you if I was Mossey I fucking hate myself too.
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    The excellent thing about your trolling is that it doesn’t last long before it has been faded out.
    
    See I get to comment without even having to read your drivel.
    
    Awesome.
    
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    October 21, 2018 5:55pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  (My) Polls prediction
  National…..48%
  Labour……..35%
  Greens……..6%
  NZF………….3.5%
  Act……………1.5%
  Maori Party.2%
  Other………..4%
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:40am
  - tas
    
    I wish!
    
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    October 21, 2018 11:33am
artemisia

Talking about cash-for-candidates, does anyone believe the donation to Clayton Mitchell by the head honcho of Hospitality NZ was just money for a mate?

Mitchell is behind a “values” bill that includes a commitment not to campaign against the legality of alcohol.

For those that don’t watch Parliament TV, and who could blame you, Mr Mitchell is the one who sits behind Mr Peters and laughs like a very embarrassing drain every time his boss opens his mouth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107976448/mp-adamant-donation-from-hospitality-nz-president-not-linked-to-nz-values-bill
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October 21, 2018 8:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mitchell is even more of a twat than most of the NZF caucus.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And that, is some achievement!
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:38am
  - freethinker
    
    Perhaps he is a Super twat
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:08am
    - sooty
      
      Does he wear his underpants on the outside of his trousers?
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:32am
      - Tall Man
        
        Commando and still tries to look super 🙂
        
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        October 21, 2018 5:56pm
- fernglas
  
  It wasn’t that long ago that every general election ballot paper gave an option to vote for National Prohibition, which would mean that the Temperance Union would have fallen foul of this stupid idea.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:09am
- macdee
  
  time our of our so called investigative journalists took a look at relationship of Mitchell, Shipton and Haumaha
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    Your dreaming. We don’t have any!
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Love it, best chuckle so far.
    
    These current tossers are into getting “like” on social media for selfies with horseface.
    
    I wonder why they need to fuck about at polytech for so long to get a “journalism degree” when all they do is fawn over this…
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaESzRNMVeI
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:23pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  and
  the scrapping of the Kermadec sanctuary scrapping not linked to donations from the fishing industry?
  and
  Pretty horse’s tax credits, artificial race courses
  not linked to donations by the racing industry?
  Pattern of behaviour?
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:33am
- peterwn
  
  What about the apparent fishing companies’ donation to Winston’s campaign to keep the Kermedecs sanctuary off the table – and the Greens (the wider executive and membership, not James Shaw) were too feeble to push the issue during coalition talks.
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:14pm
- GazzaW
  
  Mitchell literally plays the part of the organ grinder’s monkey. It used to be Ron Mark but it seems that Clayton is now the official NZF court jester.
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:23pm
stinkypete

There is a palpable sense outrage from HDPA that no one is obeying her instructions to dump bridges
I am dumbfounded by her claim that Bridges is smearing JLR- though not surprising after her Oprah style interview
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October 21, 2018 8:06am
- Woz
  
  Perhaps the “journalist” wasn’t Tova after all.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:42am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Haven’t heard from Stacey Kirk for a while…
    
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    October 21, 2018 2:01pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Is that a good thing?
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:29pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The woman is a screeching harpie and completly ruined the Larry Williams show; any broadcasting she is involved with makes me consider listening to Campbell for a nanosecond but I regain sanity and quickly switch to Hauraki or something else before suffering any hearing damage.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:43am
  - mic
    
    I just switch her off.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Off.
    
    Have done since the day she landed at ZB. Pillow talk…pillow screech.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:15am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I listen to Hosking until 8.30am each morning, then the radio switches to Radio Sport for the rest of the day.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:20am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Indeed. I’ve tried listening to Leighton a few times, but he just sounds so dim. Mind you, all the really juicy stuff has already been used up by Hosking by Leighton’s time.
      
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      October 21, 2018 3:18pm
  - Grant
    
    Me too.
    In case the advertising sales manager for NewsTalk ZB gets to read this: My radio goes off the moment Soper or HDPA’s voices grace the airwaves.
    For some reason or other, they both believe that they are important, when, in fact, they are just two more partisan hacks who think they should be the news rather than the reporters of it.
    G
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:24am
  - GazzaW
    
    Is the HDPA/Andrew Dickens duo an indication of life at ZB after Larry Williams?
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Dickens maybe but her……………………..NO!
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:29pm
- harrygee
  
  I noticed that too. It does look as though she intends to reformulate and rewrite and regurgitate the same thing repeatedly instead of evolving her thought processes. Probably trying to keep a lid on what JLR knows about journos by assisting him with his goal of eliminating Bridges.
  
  We should do a comparative analysis of the most vocal anti-Bridges reporters in the media at the moment against the number of carpet burns they each had after Press Gallery Christmas parties and the like. Maybe there is a clear correlation.
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:00am
  - Viking2
    
    Well given her old fella’s old fella is probably incapable most of the time she just might have fallen under the spell of the bed hopper.
    Which would account for indignation at what she perceives to be Bridges problem.
    
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    October 21, 2018 11:54am
- KevinH
  
  HdPA didn’t bat an eyelid when JLR name dropped the MP he had an affair with. Perhaps that is one of the benefits of being married to Soper, you get to hear all the Goss but keep mum about it. Also it’s probably the reason why Soper and HdPA look as though they have been up all night and slept in their clothes, all that juicy scandal is hard to process, hehe.
  Well look on the brightside, the press gallery can now write their tell all memoirs without fear of retribution, that is providing Jamie leaves something for them.
  The downside for the press gallery is now the loss of a valued deepthroat insider, where to now.
  Seriously though, Simon will be the sacrificial lamb as HdPA muses, certainly his career has been knocked sideways, especially if Jamie continues to roll out the thunderbolts. It may mean Jamie wins but in the brutal world of politics that may well be the price the Nats will pay to bring an end to the damaging revelations. Those within caucus have been there done that and know they have time on their side.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:17am
  - peterwn
    
    Jami will be out of Parliament within a week and will have lost his Parliamentary pension and will be unemployable. His biggest concern will be how to survive.
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:22pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Spot on Peter. He will be an absolute pariah to everyone in Parliament including parliamentary staffers. No one will talk to him and everyone will avoid him. If he fronts for parliamentary sessions he will get a seat so far up the back benches that he’ll need an oxygen mask. Remember Brendon Horan? He got it easy compared to Ross’ likely banishment.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:34pm
      - Tricati
        
        Couldn’t happen to a nicer prick
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Thanks again for the labour HQ opinion but we’ve already had the interns on here today.
    
    Simon Bridges has emerged as a strong and competent leader from this debacle which was not JLR’s intention. Remember, when you send an arsewipe to defame someone, the shit stays on them which is why JLR is still covered in shit.
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:27pm
- greybeard
  
  Here is an email I sent to Andrew Dickens on Larry Williams Drive:
  
  17/10/2018 17:57
  To dickens@newstalkzb.co.nz
  ” Just listening to your program.
  HDPA and Soper seem hell-bent on finding something bad about Simon Bridges no matter what. Not a good look.
  Remember when Pres. Bush had to change from talking about ‘existing weapons of mass destruction’ to talking about ‘materials which could be used in weapons of mass destruction’ ?
  
  HDPA and Soper are now changing their attention from matters to do with Bridges apparently being responsible for splitting a large and identifiable donation ( which appears not to have actually happened ) to Bridges swearing out loud about the capability or otherwise of one of his list MPs. !!!
  What next? HDPA condemning Bridges for his accent?
  Soper decrying Bridges’ association with people born in China ?
  Bloody MSM creeps, no wonder Trump ignores them in favour of twitter.”
  
  ( to give Dickens his due, he replied saying that he had warned HDPA & Soper that their response was premature but that they decided to go for it anyway ).
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:15pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That put Dickens in a completely new light for me.
    
    I am also impressed that he had the courtesy to respond.
    
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    October 21, 2018 2:28pm
- pdm
  
  Woz (8.42am) – I was thinking the same thing.
  
  Mrs Soper may now be a woman spurned.
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:34pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  OK, I took a look at HdPA’s ‘opinion’.
  
  She can’t even spell!
  
  ‘And that’s the truth right there. Mother’s know how their daughters feel.’
  
  ‘Mothers’ (plural, subjective case should not have an apostrophe).
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:51pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Polytech “degree”.
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:28pm
Paulus

Mitchell was a Publican in Tauranga and a Councillor until he saw the light and became a list MP boy for Peters.
He was always a loudmouth git anyway so nothing new here.
I hear that there may be more to come on Mitchell soon as one time employer and some of his antics.
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October 21, 2018 8:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Yes, I’ve heard stories as well about Mitchell. His back-story is far from lily-white.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:09am
  - VicParking
    
    Oh ‘Golly’ Gosh not another back story thats bullshit
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:40am
    - Tall Man
      
      Only from the left.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:16am
      - sooty
        
        Carpet burns?
        
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        October 21, 2018 9:35am
- Inandout
  
  Paulus the gates are well and truly open now on the behaviour of MPs in general. Cindy has been quite mute on JLR because, well, she has a past. The ‘metoo’ crowd will unintentionally open the floodgates which the MSM will skirt around, but they are irrelevant in the internet age. People talk, and talk, and name names.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:51am
  - freethinker
    
    Talking of names wood any one know the name of the Labour lecher at their young labour wood be potential future Labourshites & sex party.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:13am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ask steffygirl, I think she has a lifetime membership at liarbour HQ and is a graduate of Camp Molestation.
      
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      October 21, 2018 6:32pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It would be interesting to see if anyone has the balls to detail Winston’s nights out with wanna be LLB’s from Vic.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    I always wondered why she said she had never met Blair. She worked for him and yet she never met him. I wonder how many “advisers” that worked for Sir John Key never met him.
    
    Seemed odd to me at the time and it still doesn’t make sense, unless Blair was a total prick and didn’t “associate” with his staff.
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:31pm
dog_eat_dog

Bryce Edwards thinks National would be hypocritical to use waka jumping rules to push out JLR.

Where is Bryce Edwards Hypocrisy PI when Labour is adding new taxes after campaigning not to? What about Winston and his links to the racing industry?
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October 21, 2018 8:07am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Where were Bryce Edwards’ cries of “Hypocrisy!” when the Green Party held its nose, swallowed a massive, putrid rat, and voted in favour of the Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Act, legislation which they personally oppose?
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:11am
  - Lance
    
    While throwing the Kermadecs under the bus
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:47am
  - Piniwi
    
    Well KS it is yet another of those unintended consequences for National to use this undemocratic bill as the best way to rinse Ross. To hell with any perceived irony as in this instance a little bit will go a long way and why should the COL hog all the irony? While being sure to thank old Winston First for his unintended assistance for a limited time only.
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:33pm
- KevOB
  
  Hypocritical: rubbish. It’s right to oppose in season–it’s the duty of the Opposition.
  
  Now that a law has been passed it’s available for use. That likelihood or need was not forseeable. National should excise the boil that is JLR as quickly as possible by whatever lawful means available.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:53am
  - G152
    
    Do we have a Saudi embassy in NZ that we could send him to ????????
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:12am
  - artemisia
    
    The nuclear option was hardly in the minds of the government parties with the waka jumping legislation. More that Mr Peters wanted the one and only say in who stays and who goes in NZF.
    
    If National uses it and collects flak, they should just grin and say nowt.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:38pm
- harrygee
  
  To give him some credit, on the Jami-Lee Ross stuff Bryce Edwards has arguably shown restraint, balance and a reasonable degree of intellect unlike many others. I thought he was quite incisive in his column yesterday:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12146002
  
  Another standout was John Armstrong earlier in the week. I thought his experience and innate wisdom as a political observer was quite evident in his TVNZ commentary:
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrongs-opinion-ross-dumping-confidential-national-party-information-into-public-arena-stuff-nightmares-bridges
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:11am
  - Piniwi
    
    Right harrygee credit where it is due when they as you say they see so much more than most can move their bias to the back burner when things go beyond the pale.
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:39pm
- peterwn
  
  Well, the law is on the books and Simon might as well use it. Unlike the earlier version, this version has no ‘sunset’ clause and after the present episode there would not be too much willingness for party leaders to repeal it.
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:26pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    It’s not like NZF/Labour/Green could criticise National for using their law.
    They’ll try but there’s really no gain from the argument.
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:38pm
Sofia

Can anyone explain, please, how the Waka-Jumping legislation works?
While National caucus was meeting to expel Ross, Ross was holding a press conference, saying he was resigning from the party.

Whichever of those was actually first, National has obviously already informed the Speaker that Jami-Lee Ross is no longer a member of the National Party for parliamentary purposes?

Speaker: Under Standing Order 35(1)(c), I have been advised by the senior Opposition whip that the National Party’s parliamentary membership has changed and that Jami-Lee Ross is no longer a member of the National Party for parliamentary purposes. Accordingly, under Standing Order 34(5), Jami-Lee Ross is, from 16 October 2018, regarded as an Independent member for parliamentary purposes.
– Hansard, Tuesday October 16 https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20181016_20181016

Has Ross pre-empted any opportunity for the National Leader to tell the Speaker that Ross is being expelled and should therefore stand down and a by-election be held?
Ross can’t surely be expelled if he has already resigned.
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Standing Order 34(5) – 34 Recognition of parties (5) Any member who is not a member of a recognised party is treated as an Independent member for parliamentary purposes.
Standing Order 35(1)(c) – 35 Notification of party details (1) A party must inform the Speaker of— (c) its parliamentary membership
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October 21, 2018 8:13am
duggledog

You know, Jacinda really is a Silly Little Girl.

Climate change / warming etc isn’t going to be her generation’s ‘nuclear moment’.

It’s this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45920624

Thousands of would-be immigrants – storming the Mexico / Guatemala border with the purpose of, basically, invasion.

If they get through to the U.S., there will be more, and more, and more – as Central and South American shit holes purge ordinary people looking for escape but with barbarians in their midst.

I firmly believe it will not be long before civilized Western countries have to decide whether to follow their natural Christian proclivities and become overwhelmed, or put them aside and open fire on unarmed people. Or… reinstate apartheid.

Humans will deal with global warming / change. We can insulate, build stronger, move uphill.

Our real struggle will be what to do about the teeming millions who want what we’ve got.

Build that wall.
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October 21, 2018 8:13am
- stephieboy
  
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  duggledog, remember the sky is green and the grass is blue and you have latino in your DNA!
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:17am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Getting your nasty on before church again Stephie?
    
    Sunday mornings you are normally pretty vile, is it because you expect forgiveness once you go to church or because you are angry about going?
    
    Are you a bit whipped??
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:20am
  - VicParking
    
    And your goats have your DNA in them…??
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:43am
    - stigie
      
      Producing Steffiegoats !~
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:04am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Ah Stephieboy!
    
    There’s no need to be nasty to other Kiwibloggers. Here, let me cheer you up by sharing a song from my personal music collection with you. You’ll love it. It’s called Are You Ready Ralph by Prince of Denmark. Here’s a taste of the lyrics:
    
    Ralph? The time has come. The time has come to go out of your mind. Are you ready, Ralph? Are you ready to die and be reborn? No. No, first you must be in a state of grace. First, you must examine yourself in this mirror of confession. What do you see there? Your personality: all your goals, and your fears, your little ambitions. The chess game of your life. You have to check that Ralph. You can’t take that on the trip with you. And then that other side of you Ralph. That dark unconscious. All those animal impulses which you hide and keep down below. All this baggage too must be checked. You can’t take that on the billion year voyage to God.
    
    It seems strangely appropriate for you, particularly on a Sunday, don’t you think?
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:07am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jeezus..
      That is the spooooooookiest thing I have read for decades.
      (I dare not listen to the recording)
      
      You really need to attach a classified warning to that Post. I do hope you are coping, Nostradamus… It must have been a shock to your system when you first heard it.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:09am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        You lead a sweet, sheltered life then, Maggy :).
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Face it, you’re just a girl with a very bitchy nature and a resting bitch face.
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:02am
    - sooty
      
      Yes she is!
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:54am
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘Build that wall.’
  
  And distribute contraception to the overpopulated countries.
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:32pm
iMP

It needs to be noted, that it was Ross who lifted the bedsheets, not Leopard Skins. That tape with Bridges, where he discussed natural justice, “not 4 women Jamie, it’d be 15”.

The 4 women came fwd because Ross said what he did (that he’d never harassed anyone and that he’d only ever treated womem [Ahem..his wife] with utmost respect. They’d been talking to media for a year; and others for longer.

Ross is not the victm here.
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October 21, 2018 8:13am
- stephieboy
  
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  imp, and do you agree with Duncan Garber (a strong critic of Jacinda ) ?,
  
  “For his own sake, and for the sake of his party, he must step down as leader
  Duncan Garner has called on Simon Bridges to step down as National leader, after an explosive week in politics that saw ex-National MP Jami-Lee Ross accuse his former boss of corruption.
  “He is not so much dead-man-walking but dead-man stumbling in the dark, surrounded by a giant snake with a killer bite that multiplies by the second,” Garner said, referring to Mr Ross’ revelations about Mr Bridges.
  You have sadly, seen the very worst and dark side of politics play out this week,” Garner told The AM Show…”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/he-must-step
  -down-as-leader-garner-calls-on-bridges-to-resign.html
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:20am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I don’t know about iMP stephie, but I couldn’t disagree more with Garner. He showed his true colours this week in two interviews.
    
    On Monday he confronted Simon Bridges with a number of allegations. He bullied and hectored Bridges, who remained calm but frustrated that Garner would not let him finish a single answer.
    
    The next morning he interviewed the PM, and the contrast could not have been more extreme. Garner was polite, asked “soft” questions, engaged in banter with the PM, and didn’t interrupt at all. The roaring lion of the previous day had been replaced by a newborn lamb.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:29am
    - Inandout
      
      KS, Garner is a ‘free’ man at the moment so he just may look at those teeth and have strong feelings. Simon on the other hand appears happily married.
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:57am
    - Tall Man
      
      At least his ex saw the light.
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:24pm
  - harrygee
    
    Duncan Garner historically acquired a lot of carpet burns. Those like him in the media are now very keen for Bridges to go so JLR doesn’t rip the scabs off them too, even inadvertently.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:20am
  - Harkman
    
    Garner a “strong critic of Jacinda”??? You must be drunk or stoned.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    Pop off and powder that bitch face.
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:04am
    - sooty
      
      Yes she is!
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Aren’t you amused by the lack of answers from the left on that simple question.
        
        I think it shows that they are tainted by labour HQ and too scared to post anything that highlights the deviousness of their fairy dust tree.
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:23pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so John. It disgusts me that some people here are trying to portray Ross as some sort of paragon of virtue, and the women he harrassed as the aggressors.
  
  Ross’ pattern of behaviour has been cunning and manipulative. He has essentially stalked women, lavished them with compliments etc to win their trust, and once that has been accomplished, he has used them for his own purposes, be they sexual, political or just his need to be in control.
  
  Many years ago I did a Stopping Violence course, to which I self-referred, because I was worried about my tendency to get angry over insignificant things. There I learned about the Power and Control Wheel, and how that affects the dynamics of a relationship. It was a very valuable learning experience, and has helped me cope ever since.
  
  It’s clear that Ross has used the power of his position as an MP to attempt to control people with whom he had both intimate and employment relationships. I can only imagine the put-downs he will have used, and the psychological damage he will have inflicted. He alone is responsible for his present predicament.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:25am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Mr Stock, you are an interesting gentleman.
    One day a beer and long yarn would be quite enjoyable ( for me anyway ?)
    
    Enjoy your weekend
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:28am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That would indeed be a pleasure AC. One reason that I will never stand for public office is that there is far too much baggage (not to mention two ex-wives!) in my cupboard. The 2018 version of me is a far nicer person that the mid-90’s version, of that you can be sure, and these days I have much better taste in both wives and whisky 😀
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:31am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Good Judgement is the result of experience, unfortunately experience is the result of bad judgment.
        
        It’s a shame you, and many many others, can’t bring the wisdom you learnt to the wider world, because of the way that wisdom was taught ?
        
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        October 21, 2018 8:42am
      - Chris R
        
        Stock: Your autobiography bears many of the characteristics of mine. Cheers.
        
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        October 21, 2018 9:03am
      - Tall Man
        
        Imagine stephiegirl’s baggage.
        
        Is it still called baggage when it’s filling a container?
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:07am
      - sooty
        
        44 gallon drum, mate!
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:56am
    - Swifty
      
      KS is a good bloke.
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:32am
  - Woz
    
    I admire you enormously for having the self-awareness to recognize such a negative trait in yourself, and both the humility and the balls to do something about it.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:54am
  - MCos
    
    “It disgusts me that some people here are trying to portray Ross as some sort of paragon of virtue”
    
    I haven’t noticed anyone who has done that, not even the man himself.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:03am
    - MCos
      
      If he was in any way a ‘paragon of virtue’ Messrs Lusk & Whaleoil would drop him like a cup of cold sick.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps it’s because you only have one eye for an issue and that one has a tint of fairy dust in it.
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:08am
      - sooty
        
        Yes, she is!
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:57am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    IMHO pollies exhibit more negative traits than the general population. The general population dont suffer the same command and control vanity that inflicts pollies.
    
    In fact the other day DPF attempted to make excuses for how pollies treat those around them and those who work for them
    
    Betcha if pollies were subject to the same level of scrutiny as employers they would be spending a lot of them time before Mediators, the ERA and the Employment Court.
    
    There is and can be no excuse for their behaviour.
    
    Collectively they need to learn come humility and stop thinking they are legends in their own lunch time.
    
    If they do that I will regard them as more than a dog turd on the sole of my shoes.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:56am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaESzRNMVeI
      
      Then watch her interviewed by Larry before the election.
      
      I know why she’s got big teeth, she’s so full of herself she’s needs a gate to keep it all in.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:11am
  - JibberJabber
    
    HdPA,
    
    The party is in full attack-Jami-Lee mode. Why do you think at least four women have suddenly come forward accusing Ross of everything from bullying to “brutal sex”?
    
    No fucking #metoo and all women are to be believed if the women are on the wrong side of the political divide.
    It`s bizarre cos` dPA has had moments of clarity in this last year but is obviously back on the lefty meth.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      The media just follows the “power” in the hope that it rubs off on them.
      
      Pop into a parliamentary function and watch them in action. They’re like leeches looking for something to suck up to.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Am I the only one who thinks Bridges sounds absolutely knackered in these recordings, almost as if Ross is targeting him when he’s potentially at his lowest with the intent to entrap.
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:07am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    He sure does. I’m guessing that call was around the time of Bridges’ trip up and down New Zealand.
    
    Let’s face it; with a few exceptions, no one goes into politics for the money. The demands on their time are extreme, and it’s even moreso for a party leader.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:43am
- Harkman
  
  Notice how female victims that don’t suit the leftist media narrative just get ignored? Pretty disgraceful.
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:46am
Fletch

I heard on the radio news that 800 restaurants and pubs in Auckland are having to agree to have their outside areas smoke-free if they want to renew their outdoor dining licenses.

Smoking outside hundreds of cafes, restaurants and bars is being snubbed out in Auckland.

Auckland Council is making more than 800 restaurants, cafes and bars with outdoor dining smokefree as part of new licensing rules.

The move would apply to all hospitality venues that use council-licensed areas for al fresco dining and drinking.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/central-leader/107968247/more-outdoor-dining-spots-across-auckland-become-smokefree

Now, I’m not a smoker or a fan of smoking, but this seems a very dumb move based on ideological reasoning by liberals. Where are smokers going smoke if they can’t do it outside?
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October 21, 2018 8:14am
- iMP
  
  Not at a restaurant, Fletch. Somewhere else outside.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:16am
  - Fletch
    
    Hmm, you’re right, maybe I missed this part –
    
    The smoking ban only applied to footpath dining areas and did not include private dining spaces with designated smoking areas.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:31am
    - sooty
      
      I think the point is, they are going to go somewhere else to spend their money!
      
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      October 21, 2018 8:50am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Having left a restaurant because the smoke from outside was wafting unpleasantly inside, I don’t care where they go as long as they are downwind. ?
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I had a nice lunch at Caravanserai in Auckland a few months back, so decided to go back there for dinner with a friend… bad mistake.. I’d forgotten Hookah fug. Neighbouring table thought it was a great laff that the old ladies were overwhelmed by their odious clouds of perfumed muck.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:29am
      - GazzaW
        
        Hookah fug is fucken’ awful if you’re downwind and just as socially unacceptable as cigarette smoke. I was behind a car at the lights a couple of weeks ago where obviously both the driver and his passenger were using e-cigarettes and I initially thought that the car was on fire given the volumes of ‘smoke’ pouring out of the windows.
        
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        October 21, 2018 12:52pm
- srylands
  
  They can smoke anywhere they like except near me.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:29am
  - VicParking
    
    went to a funeral the other die. A smoker died of Lung Cancer at 42. After the funeral and before the ‘family gathering’ there was a group of about 10 standing around outside smoking.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:52am
    - Inandout
      
      Went to a funeral of a relative who died as a result of heavy drinking that affected his liver. At the after match function alcohol flowed freely.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:02am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Nanny State can`t regulate Human behaviour, with all the taxation and regulation around potentially hazardous pastimes, I doubt our state of health is any better or worse than the countries, like most European, where the city streets are lined with cigarette butts and human faeces.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:15am
    - DJ Ward
      
      I went to a funeral the other day. They were a non smoker, non drug using, never drank, vegan, exercised, never had a speeding ticket, educated, always in bed by 9pm, never had sex, and prayed to a god.
      
      Death is unavoidable despite Winstons efforts.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:55pm
- Fletch
  
  What still gets to me though, is the hypocrisy…
  On the one hand, they want to ban smoking in outdoor areas – they say it’s for the good health and well-being of the public at large. They say, we don’t want to encourage this behavior.
  
  And on the other hand you have the Greens pushing to legalize, well, smoking – of cannabis. And instead of protecting the health of the concert-going public this summer against harmfully dangerous drugs by doing all they can to ban them, they are encouraging their use by promoting drug testing labs at summer concerts so people can take them safely??? It is hypocritical to encourage and promote one bad behavior while trying to ban another.
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:51am
  - harrygee
    
    And just wait twenty years and see how much vaping costs the health system, to cries of “but nobody told us back then” and “the system is to blame”.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:23am
    - artemisia
      
      harrygee
      And just wait twenty years and see how much vaping costs the health system, to cries of “but nobody told us back then” and “the system is to blame”.
      
      You forgot the last bit – “the system is to blame” so pay us a truckload of money because the system aka taxpayers forced us to vape.
      
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      October 21, 2018 9:40am
  - JibberJabber
    
    We all know what the hardest thing about Vaping is, it`s the new Rollerblading.
    Saw an article about vaping the other day,don`t have a link soz,Doctors claim the flavoured Vapes are as bad as Tobacco on the body, of course, the ultimate in fuckwittery are those who want Tobacco banned but Marijuana legalised, can`t see why weed is less likely to give you Lung Cancer than ciggies.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      Too stoned to care maybe?
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:13pm
Awww C-mon

Thoughts from the weak.

We have the politicians we deserve. Decades of apathy and a certain amount of inward focus (each of us focused on our family, job, business and less focused on community) has lead to a point where no one of those idiots from any party deserves respect.

The education system has ruined us.
Not the socialism and Marxist agenda’s, just the simple dumbing down of people, my generation (mid forty) and below have no ability to think critically and for themselves, the boomers are fuck all better.

Click bait journalism is the canary in the mine, when actual reporting died our democracy began to follow.

Identity politics will actually be what saves us, because as the pendulum swings to the point (and I think it is there) the average kiwi might just wake from there slumber and revolt, causing the pendulum to swing back to a more rational point of view.

That, or we need a world war….
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October 21, 2018 8:17am
- Tall Man
  
  Not sure about the world war bit but if you think about it, isn’t Trump the first example of a “swing away” from “identity” politics.
  
  I mean, I like what the guy is doing for America but I doubt we’d be best buds on the golf course.
  
  I realise it is a poor example but he certainty does not try and be an all things to all people guy like Obama. He pushed policies not personalities unlike our tooth fairy. All luvs and no detail….comrades 🙁
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:20am
- Paulus
  
  I am sure that the fine Dilworth School would be more disappointed with the behaviour of one of its pupils – J L Ross.
  One expects the education of the pupils of this school to be mindful of the manners and trust it instills in its pupils.
  It must be very disappointed.
  
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  October 21, 2018 11:07am
Longknives

I just puked up my Sunday cooked breakfast!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108000337/excited-5yearold-gets-rescued-by-pm-jacinda-ardern

What utter fucking bullshit.
Do Stuff and the Labour Party Spin Team(Are they the same?) really expect us to believe that 5 year old kids run to Jacinda like she is the Messiah?
I have a 5 year old-She doesn’t know or care much for Politics. She couldn’t care less if Ardern or Key or fucking Winston Churchill was at the mall.
*She loves Unicorns and Fairies though- maybe she will end up voting Labour?
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October 21, 2018 8:23am
- Longknives
  
  *Also- I fucking guarantee that if you do some Internet investigation on this kid’s parents you will (shock/horror) find some affiliation with the Labour Party.
  I would put anything on it…
  
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  October 21, 2018 8:25am
  - Woz
    
    It smacks of setup. Far too twee.
    
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    October 21, 2018 8:51am
  - igm
    
    Probably has two mothers.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      Future leader then.
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:21am
  - DJ Ward
    
    Probably the 2 weeks of in class coaching prior. Actually the visit was probably random but the classes happened anyway.
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:59pm
- VicParking
  
  If it had of been Jon Key the headlines would have been “John Key entices child at Mall”
  
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  October 21, 2018 1:18pm
  - secondcumming
    
    Same if it had been ‘stephie’
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:25pm
DigNap15

Yes I admire Simon Bridges for the way in which he keeps calm when being interviewed by some rabid leftist journalist.
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October 21, 2018 8:50am
igm

Are ferals tossing their bred-for-income brats at pre-school centres also, or is there more to this than Fairfax have printed?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107962668/fouryearold-safety-risk-kicked-out-of-north-auckland-daycare
Seems they may have yet again, a agenda-ridden slant on education.
Once again no mention of a father figure!
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October 21, 2018 9:05am
krazykiwi

Why are the celebrities, rich-listers and wannabe-activists so silent on Venezuela?

More than 1.9 million people have fled poverty, hunger, crime and hyperinflation in Venezuela since 2015, rivalling the flow of Middle Eastern and African refugees to Europe.

If you endorse socialist economic and political constructs you need to stand up and be counted. Where is your outrage?
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October 21, 2018 9:14am
Keeping Stock

From Henry Cooke, senior political reporter for Stuff:

henry cooke @henrycooke

Clint Smith of “hey Clint” fame is moving over to the KiwiBuild Unit from Labour for a comms job under Rachel Smalley. Clint is close to Twyford but I’m told the minister wasn’t aware of him applying til he already had the job.

https://twitter.com/henrycooke/status/1053128385101094912

“Hey Clint; how are we going to spin building less than 100 houses in a year, when we should have built 1000, and how are we going to build 100,000 in ten years?”
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October 21, 2018 9:26am
- Tall Man
  
  “I dunno, I’m outa here”.
  
  “Ask the tooth fairy or the finance one”…..
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:24am
- Piniwi
  
  But KS starting with a Small Ey there is nowhere else but down is there? Comms job or coms as in comical? We must ponder the future for all these crone job fillers when the COL passes to greener pastures and familiar opposition seats. Lol
  
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  October 21, 2018 2:24pm
Jack5

One good thing to come out of Ross running amok is that China’s meddling in NZ political parties is now out in the open.
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October 21, 2018 9:27am
- Jack5
  
  Another good thing is that it showed there are some women with guts among potential National candidates.
  
  I hope Katrina Bungard goes further in NZ politics, and good on her for fronting up to gone-rogue Ross.
  
  Maybe National should be looking to its women leaders to get it out of the Ross mess and extricate it from any financial tentacles of Beijing.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/national-party-candidate-describes-harassment
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:35am
  - Paulus
    
    Will the hidden so far other sleeping partner come forward.
    No she can’t as I understand she is a Reporter.
    Maybe she will get a Labour List next time around so she can get more experience in sleeping around to get a story.
    Dunne got caught out too !
    
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    October 21, 2018 11:10am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Why should they? Haven’t they experienced enough humiliation already?
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:38pm
      - DJ Ward
        
        What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
        
        It takes 2 to tango.
        
        There is always 2 sides to a story.
        
        It’s biased to name one party but not the other when the immorality is identical just because of gender.
        
        We should call out older women preying on young boys.
        
        Politics is dirty. Expect to get dirty when you fling shit.
        
        Don’t throw stones when in a glass house.
        
        Don’t make the other 3 potential, innocent female MP’s look guilty. She happily went doggy style. They didn’t.
        
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        October 21, 2018 1:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s none of our FUCKING business if consenting adults sleep with each other.
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:54pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes Jack5 they have shown some metal but please lets not be too rash about driving them above their level of competence in fairness to them and the voters. Look at the problems that has created in the Labour/COL chain. Also many give what they can so too speak to the benefit of the party with their talent, time and capacity and not all are ego driven. Even a good wine is better in moderation.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:05pm
- Justitia
  
  Yes Jack 5, Chinese Communist Party front organizations like the United Front funding New Zealand political parties is the most important issue to have been highlighted from the week’s events. And it’s probably the reason why Labour have been so quiet. We need a Royal Commission into foreign “donations” including the use of locally registered front organizations. There is plenty of peer reviewed research such as Prof Brady’s paper “Magic Weapons” to indicate we have a serious problem here that is eroding our democracy and diminishing New Zealand’s international standing. The Five Eyes arrangement, so important for our security, is now jokingly referred to as “Four Eyes and a Wink” because of concerns material shared with New Zealand may be ending up in Beijing. Of course isolating New Zealand from its friends would be a major win for Beijing and take us further into their orbit.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Fake news…Fake news…….
    
    Use your fucking brain cell if you have one left. We are a non event in the big wide world but too big to assimilate unlike Tonga, Vanuatu etc.
    
    Worry more about the insidious penetration of our education system by UN appeasing dickwits which so far has resulted in the emergence of the dumbest fucks we have ever seen calling themselves journalists, plus the odd paranoid wally continually crying “reds under the beds” to try and hide the fact that we currently have the worst govt ever.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:28am
    - Justitia
      
      Golly the United Front troll is busy this morning…
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        You mean these guys?
        
        http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/cpa/Theory/UF.html
        
        They couldn’t afford me, unlike you labour interns that work for a smile from the tooth fairy.
        
        Is Ardern a liar?
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:09pm
  - wiseowl
    
    The ODT reports that Cull is off to China with yet another delegation that will sign ‘agreements’.
    Mayor Tong is over there now with Zhang, along with Tame Iti.
    
    New Zealanders don’t really matter anymore.It’s a case of chasing the communist money and selling out to China , funding of troughers provided by ratepayers.
    
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    October 21, 2018 11:02am
    - KevOB
      
      China doesn’t sell, it buys. They are arch capitalists with a very long term plan. Doing business with a Chinese firm means counting your staff’s fingers afterwards. It’s a known game to them but to the unwary its you lose they win–so? you took the risk. A different culture with different values.
      
      If the Chinese are after control among our separate Maori tribes tribes that means trouble.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        If the Chinese are after control among our separate Maori tribes tribes that means trouble.
        
        Perhaps not..
        It could mean good business.
        Some of the Maori corporations are now very clued up.
        Not Chinese… but Yankee $$$$ in this case
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/honour-all-m-oridom-gisbornes-whangar-farms-first-beef-farm-in-nz-added-mcdonalds-flagship-farmers-scheme
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:50pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Right KervOB they never sing about how well they are trained and skilled they are but the gullible need hindsight to understand what that means. While NZ is small change on the world stage to the Chinese it is the MOST desirable strategic location for them. It will complete their target of controlling the South Chine Sea/Pacific area as they close the back door. While we watch the irony of the left getting mouthy about Reds under the bed they seem to be very keen to welcome them in the front door. Silly us being so tied down by the TOW while the natives are already looking for the highest bidder. Keep this up and it will get down to a choice of two second languages. Mandarin or Cantonese.
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:40pm
    - Piniwi
      
      WTF wiseowl excuse me but Tame Iti? There is nothing tame about that idiot. This meddling by so many local bodies so far above their heads could pose a massive threat to NZ. China’s Chequebook Diplomacy poses a big threat through people like this desperate for easy money. Perhaps it gives some perspective why so many lefties have been screaming about Chinese meddling in NZ politics? All part of their own collective agenda created out of their desperate needs for funding from the COL to the local body sewage board through shirking their responsibilities.
      
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      October 21, 2018 3:22pm
EAD_TWO

Great article over on the Stormer on the stark reality of NPC’s. Definitely the best piece they’ve done in a while and disturbing on a deeply philosophical level.

https://dailystormer.name/things-npcs-say/

It does not just mean “liberals are gullible fools,” it means that there are people who have no voice inside their head narrating their lives – what we’ve been calling an “inner voice” or “internal monologue.” They are actual soulless fleshbags who only respond to the environment and are totally incapable of thought…….

This flowing change not just of perspective but of core beliefs about the social order can only be explained in terms of a complete and total lack of an ability to critically process information.

This entire phenomenon exists outside of measurable levels of cognitive intelligence. Both high IQ and low IQ people can be NPCs.

I have personally met people who were clearly not very intelligent who you can share ideas with and they will think about them and roll them around in their heads – clearly using an inner voice to process the ideas within themselves. Maybe the processing is slow, but it is happening.

I have also met people who clearly had high intelligence, could reference intellectual concepts and who had demonstrated competence in whichever field, but who broke down in an emotional rage if I presented an idea that is against the NPC programming.
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October 21, 2018 9:28am
- Jack5
  
  ? ‘Morning EADolf.
  
  You won’t get much traction on Kiwiblog today, EADolf.
  
  Non-National Party topics are on the Ross Ice Shelf.
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    Childish response.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Don’t always agree with you but can certainly see the merit in that article.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:35am
  - Jack5
    
    The Daily Stormer, quoted here by EADolf – what’s that? It is described this way on Wikipedia:
    
    The Daily Stormer is an American neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and Holocaust denial commentary and message board website that advocates for the genocide of Jews. It considers itself a part of the alt-right movement. Its editor, Andrew Anglin, founded it on July 4, 2013, as a faster-paced replacement for his previous website Total Fascism.
    
    What’s an NPC? It’s also linked with the Far Right. Here’s an explanation:
    
    https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/npc-meme/
    
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    October 21, 2018 2:10pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Think for yourself Jacksie – you are displaying the classic traits of the NPC.
      
      Do you believe everything you read on Wikipedia?
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_New_York_Times&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop
      
      The New York Times (sometimes abbreviated as The NYT) is an American newspaper based in New York City with worldwide influence and readership.[6][7][8] Founded in 1851, the paper has won 125 Pulitzer Prizes, more than any other newspaper.[9][10] The Times is ranked 17th in the world by circulation and 2nd in the U.S.
      
      The paper is owned by The New York Times Company, which is publicly traded but primarily controlled by the Ochs-Sulzberger family through a dual-class share structure.[11]It has been owned by the family since 1896; A.G. Sulzberger, the paper’s publisher, and his father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr., the company’s chairman, are the fourth and fifth generation of the family to helm the paper.[12]
      
      Nicknamed “The Gray Lady”,[13] the Times has long been regarded within the industry as a national “newspaper of record”.[14] The paper’s motto, “All the News That’s Fit to Print”, appears in the upper left-hand corner of the front page.
      
      “Newspaper of record” – very lofty indeed. So what sort of news does Sulzbergers “Newspaper of Record” produce?
      
      Here is an examples from a few weeks ago:
      
      HOW CAN I CURE MY WHITE GUILT
      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/style/white-guilt-privilege.html
      
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      October 21, 2018 6:25pm
lazza

Seen WO this AM?

What sanctimonious self-serving horseshit!

Slater, quite contrary to what he is now claiming, is donkey deep in this Lusk – lead Bridges/JLR/Nats take down.

Lusk leads the pack … Slater facilitates and much more too.

Lusk writes for/runs/manipulates the WO website, they both are in daily (hourly) contact, they both subscribe to the “Destroy National” message a la Dirty Politics … so please! Cameron gives us all a break with the laughable “Who Me”? bullshit.

And Oh BTW, also lay off the tired over worked lame “mental health excuse” for if this were”real” the last place Cam should be at is (where he is and has always been) at present … as a professional muck raker ,,, he makes a f****n living off this stuff/garbage for Chrisse sakes! …

Just another delusional eccentric in his own pathetic little bubble-world of his very own version of Dirty Politics.
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October 21, 2018 9:44am
- igm
  
  Slater hates National because his father was deposed as President and Bridges totally annihilated his mate Peters in Tauranga.
  
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  October 21, 2018 9:58am
  - tas
    
    Slater hates National because they no longer talk to him.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:17pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Only through the back door, eh deep under cover Ross.
      
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      October 21, 2018 4:46pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But lazza it is starting to have a noticeable unintended consequence in the tick count dropping resulting from not just the stance adopted and it being filled with commenters turning to contributors. Last laugh of the day used to be a look at Daily Roundup but that too is just part of his platform.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:49pm
- Morrissey
  
  Nicky Hager nailed Slater’s sorry fat arse for posterity. Nobody with the intellectual ability to get out of bed in the morning regards Slater or his cronies like the hapless Jordan Williams as anything other than a dark and unfunny joke.
  
  https://dirtypoliticsnz.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/dirty-politics_ch-4-extract.pdf
  
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  October 21, 2018 11:06am
  - michael_s2
    
    Some day an unbiased news medium will run the true story behind Dirty Politics, showing how selective Hager was in the use of Slater’s stolen emails and how the “investigative reporter” slanted the facts to suit his politics.
    
    Anyone who regards Hager as a legitimate source of anything ignores his whole media history going back to the early 1980s.
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:58pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He makes morris minor feel clever though.
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:01pm
    - Morrissey
      
      …. an unbiased news medium will run the true story behind Dirty Politics
      
      ??????
      
      Nicky Hager has survived a nasty, illegal, politically organized raid on his home and secured an apology from the Police as well as substantial compensation. But you, in your wisdom, reckon there’s a “true story” that’s been covered up, do you? Could you give us a detail or two please?
      
      Slater’s stolen emails….
      
      Slater didn’t steal them, he was sent them because he’s New Zealand’s most renowned journalist. He then published them in the public interest. Maybe you’ve heard of that concept?
      
      Anyone who regards Hager as a legitimate source of anything ignores his whole media history going back to the early 1980s.
      
      Hager is internationally renowned. He’s one of our most outstanding journalists and intellectuals. Could you explain a little more about this “whole media history going back to the early 1980s”? Again, just one detail would be great.
      
      Thanks for that.
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:42pm
      - cmm
        
        “[Hager] didn’t steal them”
        
        Legally there’s not much distinction between steeling and receiving stolen goods.
        
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        October 21, 2018 3:15pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Legally there’s not much distinction between steeling and receiving stolen goods.
        
        The Prime Minister’s office was being used to run a sleazy and nasty character assassination operation, targeting National Party candidates as well as Labour and Greens. Hager was meticulous about keeping Slater’s personal information private; he only released the stuff which showed Slater was conspiring, illegally and secretly, with National Party hatchet men—and one particularly nasty hatchet woman.
        
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        October 21, 2018 6:29pm
- MrTips
  
  The lack of third party legal ramifications in NZ politics needs to change. Unelectable, duplicitous and self serving political manipulators like Lusk, McCartin, Slater, Smith and co are able get off scot free time and time again, all the while contributing nothing to the country or landscape. All IMO of course.
  
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  October 21, 2018 11:25am
  - Happychappy
    
    MrTips Whilst I agree with most of your list I think you have left Winston off your names and he fills all the attributes you have listed, also if you are talking about Nick Smith you are wrong in your phrase unelectable as he has never been a list MP.
    
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    October 21, 2018 11:57am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I think he might have been referring to Clinton Smith, otherwise know as “hey Clint”, and whatever nom de plume he writes at in The Standard these days.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:40pm
- Biscuit
  
  Lazza, I’m surprised you managed to wade your way through the 12561515653245 ads and the almost as many self-promos!
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:24pm
Chris R

I see on Stuff that there is an emotive article about rapes at the Otago and Victoria uni hostels. I assume that the outrage is well-founded and that there is genuine and wrenching episodes happening. I went to University in the 1970s. In those days the hostels were strictly segregated and if a male was found in a females’ hostel it meant expulsion. I am sure that, were that policy re-introduced the instances of sexual assaults may well reduce. In my day there were those, both male and female who rose to the challenge of entering hostels which were the reserves of the other gender but there were no occasions where a floor in a hostel was a mixture of 12 males and 4 females and open to alcohol consumption etc.. Climbing a fire-escape to meet up with a sex partner was not unheard of and added to the thrills. I once spent a week secreted in a Nurses’ Home with my girlfriend of the time. It was great, particularly given it was mid-winter but the place had central heating. My friend brought me food and stood watch while I sneaked into the showers etc.. Had I been found there she’d have been down the road. Oh to be young again!
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October 21, 2018 9:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think none of us had much regard for the Hostel wardens. At Massey in the 70s most of the female hostels were across the highway, off the main campus grounds where the males were housed.
  2 of my High-school classmates had paired up in the 7th form but had decided to go to separate Unis…it wasn’t long before they were wanting to get together..
  So the female would come up from Wellington in the weekend and camp out in my (shared) room and spend the day over at one of the male hostels with her partner. She had to sneak back into Monroe house after 10pm hoping that the warden wasn’t doing a late weekend prowl, and then get up before 6:30am to be first in the showers.
  
  One day a senior political newspaper reporter might like to tell the tale of his parents’ escapades.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:54am
  - wiseowl
    
    Maggie.
    Fell in love in Monroe House one night in the 70’s.
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      ooooooh, oooh, Who with?
      
      (I was only in the hostel for one year)
      
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      October 21, 2018 2:42pm
Manolo

The invading hordes are approaching the border:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6297959/Trump-blames-obstructive-Democrats-immigration-laws-tired-migrants-bathe-Mexican-border.html

Thousands of Central American migrants trying to get to the United States stood off against local police at Mexico’s southern border and begged for food and shelter – as President Donald Trump ragged on Democrats for being ‘obstructionist’ with immigration laws.
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October 21, 2018 10:05am
- holysheet
  
  Let them get closer to the border and show it on TV every day.
  Only then will the US voters understand why Trump want to continue building the wall.
  What a golden opportunity for Trump to say I told you so.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:11am
- artemisia
  
  Interesting selection of photos in the Daily Mail article.
  
  Those showing large numbers are almost all men. A few show small numbers, like one or two women and children.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:42am
secondcumming

A man is being interrogated by the police and tells them:
“I’m not saying anything else without my lawyer present”
COP: “You are a lawyer”
LAWYER: “Exactly, so where’s my present?”
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October 21, 2018 10:09am
holysheet

What do gay frogs eat?
Toads’ tools.
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October 21, 2018 10:15am
Morrissey

Possible Replacements for Bumbling Bridges
No. 1: SIMON O’CONNOR

Positives:
(1) He has a lovely wife.

(2) He’s opposed to old and sick people being “euthanized.”

Negatives:
(1) He’s a Simon. That carries very bad associations right now.

(2) He’s a rather ridiculous royalist, who a few years ago drove the doddering old reprobate Sir Robert Jones into the following spittle-flecked denunciation….

You’re a thirty-five-year-old octogenarian! If you are the future of the National Party, then—- arrrrrrrggghhh!

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/womans-mag-editor-humiliates-dyspeptic.html

This series is compiled by the team at Daisycutter Sports, Inc.

Coming up: Paula Bennett
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October 21, 2018 10:16am
- Nostradamus
  
  Morrissey:
  
  Coming up: Paula Bennett
  
  Surely you have something better to do with your time? Maybe go for a walk in the park (watch out for gropers though)?
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe he should just go.
    
    I often look at certain people and wonder what their purpose is.
    
    I can’t see this morris chap having a single purpose.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:39am
    - Morrissey
      
      I can’t see this morris chap having a single purpose.
      
      Yes, Lofty, I’m a lost soul. Perhaps you and your wife would like to come around to Chez Breen some time and “sort me out.”
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        “sort me out.”
        
        Really?
        
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        October 21, 2018 10:59am
      - Morrissey
        
        “sort me out.” Really?
        
        Sure. If you bring your wife.
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:02am
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t believe there is a single reason for you actually being on this planet.
  
  Obviously you despise most on this forum/blog so why not just desist? Surely there is a playcenter somewhere you could hang out with those at your own level.
  
  Is Ardern a liar?
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:41am
  - Swifty
    
    He is an inadequate little man.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:43am
    - Morrissey
      
      You forgot to say “sleazy too.”
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:45am
      - Swifty
        
        Sleazy too.
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:06am
    - Tall Man
      
      So do you have the balls to answer then…
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      Your missus may not agree.
      
      Sleazy enough for you?
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:08am
  - Morrissey
    
    Obviously you despise most on this forum/blog…
    
    That’s not correct. I attempt to be good-humoured in most of my interactions here, even with people who say the most horrendous things. I despise a few people at The Standard far more than I despise anyone here.
    
    … so why not just desist?
    
    Well, my friend, sit down. Let me tell you a story about a bloke named Sisyphus….
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      “I attempt to be good-humoured in most of my interactions here” You think?
      
      And yet you ignore the oft repeated but so far unanswered..
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 10:57am
      - Morrissey
        
        Your aggrieved tone doesn’t do you any favours, Lofty.
        
        And, yes, Ardern probably is a liar about some matter. To what are you referring?
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      “You forgot to say “sleazy too””
      
      Yep, good humoured.
      
      I still question your purpose on here. The bulk of your replies are irrelevant and generally designed to “troll”.
      
      If that is your purpose in life, pop under a bridge somewhere.
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:06am
      - Morrissey
        
        I actually live near a big bridge. I do pop over there occasionally.
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        Under….
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:10am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Morrissey:
      
      I despise a few people at The Standard far more than I despise anyone here.
      
      Your use of a strong word – “despise” – is interesting. I don’t follow The Standard closely like some people do (eg Pete George). Who do you have an issue with there, and why?
      
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      October 21, 2018 11:07am
      - Morrissey
        
        https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-clobbering-machine-aug-4-2013.html
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:16am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Thanks Morrissey.
        
        The headmaster, Mr Prent, quickly administered a stern lecture to Jenny, and that of course should have been the end of it. Unwisely, though, Jenny answered back, and the headmaster dished out an even sterner scolding. Once again, that should have been the end of the matter.
        
        I’ve looked at The Standard thread in question. Lprent frequently dishes out penis insults when he bans people. He’s probably compensating for something.
        
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        October 21, 2018 11:27am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, she is!
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:06pm
Sofia

Who’s responsibility is Ross?

How much of a problem does Speaker Mallard now have in a “rogue” member
• who has compromised Parliamentary procedures (leaks and recordings),
• threatened serious self-harm through self-confessed mental ill-health,
• admitted moral indiscretions and is accused of inappropriate sexual and bullying behaviour, and
• now claims his function to be an opposition to the party he was elected to represent, by “vowing to stay in Parliament and dish the dirt from under the political bed-sheets”?

Given Ross’s declared intention and because defamation and other laws will likely confine Ross’s accusations and proposed revelations to be only made under the protection of Parliament, it would seem Mallard, as Speaker and in charge of that venue, will be the person who controls the tone and relevance of what Ross attempts to put forward.
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October 21, 2018 10:45am
- secondcumming
  
  Trev’s like the rest of us…..been out and stocked up on the popcorn.
  
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  October 21, 2018 10:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mallard, as Speaker and in charge of that venue, will be the person who controls the tone and relevance of what Ross attempts to put forward.
  
  David Garrett posted this yesterday:
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/10/watkins_on_the_saga.html#comment-2337855
  
  Wonder if J-L Ross reads KB?
  
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  October 21, 2018 11:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, why should he and like I would say the rest of the Nats caucus!
    
    Often so much cringe-worthy posts including yours on Climate Change conspiracies and associated nuttery .
    
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    October 21, 2018 12:07pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      Why don’t you give us an example (with a link to what Maggy said so we can see her exact words in context) and, in your own words, tell us how she’s promoting a climate change conspiracy? Somehow I doubt you’re up to the task.
      
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      October 21, 2018 12:18pm
      - stephieboy
        
        She often links to this chap, Anthony Watts and his “Watts up with that” blog,
        
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anthony_Watts
        
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        October 21, 2018 12:28pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        get over yourself Stephie-freak
        
        To use a dad-ism, spineless little jellyfish.
        
        Where is dad anyway???
        
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        October 21, 2018 1:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Start buying up your woollies…
        
        https://nextgrandminimum.com/2018/10/19/climate-and-the-solar-magnetic-field/
        
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        October 21, 2018 2:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        We’re going to need all the gas and oil – and probably coal – we can produce to get through solar system sunspot cooling.
        
        Ramp up the carbon layer now!
        
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        October 21, 2018 8:11pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      why should he ?
      
      If you bothered to read what David Garrett wrote yesterday, you would see he had come up with a dastardly plan to DESTROY the NATS
      
      But, then again, what would a nutty old thing like me know?
      
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      October 21, 2018 1:53pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Come on steffy girl, Simple question for a simple girl like you..
      
      Is Ardern a liar?
      
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      October 21, 2018 1:58pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Since Trevor knew who the leaker was prior to ‘his’ inquiry, what was he trying to find, peccadilloes?
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:08pm
lazza

Trev is “compromised” big-time.

He, more than most, would be in the hair (hare?) sights of any JLR-further “rampaging” … dirty linen (bedsheets!), plus many other to date “private” indiscretions and

Oh Yeah … How many Speakers of our Parliament have ever faced charges for brawling in the lobby/precincts of the House?

Bring it (all) on!
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October 21, 2018 10:59am
- niggly
  
  Yeah I did wonder that too – the way the Duck instantly dropped the official inquiry (once the Police stated they knew the identity of the leaker and told him) had me wondering last week whether the Duck had said things to JLR off the record previously that made him realise that pursuing JLR just might not be a good idea???!!!
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:07pm
  - KevinH
    
    Within the confines of the debating chamber as well as parliament buildings the Speaker reigns supreme and it will be fascinating to observe the Speakers management of the rogue MP JLR.
    Ross will be compelled to follow protocol according to the time honoured conventions of the Westminster Parliamentary System, he could find himself permanently barred from the chamber if he attempts to disrupt proceedings.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:58pm
dcrown

Calls for violence from the left have gone mainstream …

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/412377-cnns-chris-cuomo-invites-gianforte-to-bodyslam-him
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October 21, 2018 11:24am
- dcrown
  
  These democrats are going to get somebody seriously wounded, or worse …
  
  https://www.mediaite.com/online/mitch-mcconnell-confronted-heckled-by-people-at-restaurant/
  
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  October 21, 2018 11:40am
Cobolt24

Migration rate falling, less arriving and more leaving:

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/96438/new-zealands-septembers-net-migration-gain-down-21-september-2016-peak

I personally know one who has been here a decade who’s moving back to the UK next month.
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October 21, 2018 11:41am
- stephieboy
  
  What makes you think this is singularly unique?
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/uk-cops-leave-nz-force-dissatisfied-2013081417
  
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  October 21, 2018 12:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well steffy girl, is it not a concern that only useless muslim refugees want to come here now?
    
    Those that want to get ahead do it elsewhere, those that don’t want to come..probably your type aye?
    
    Is Ardern a liar?
    
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    October 21, 2018 1:53pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Is Adern a liar? Do you always speak the truth?
      
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      October 21, 2018 3:00pm
      - sooty
        
        Do you?
        
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        October 21, 2018 4:15pm
      - sooty
        
        Will Twitford need so many houses?
        
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        October 21, 2018 4:18pm
wreck1080

With all this crap going down with Bridges, JLR etc, maybe time to change our political system.

One I am really beginning to like is the sortition system.

Sortition is the use of random selection to populate assemblies or fill political positions. An assembly that uses sortition would be composed of people just like you and me: it would be a representative random sample of people, making decisions in an informed, fair and deliberative setting.

I listened to a podcast about it the other day (hacking the law tedtalk), and it sounds really intriguing once you get past the ‘you must be crazy’ factor.

https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=656598660

https://www.sortitionfoundation.org/
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October 21, 2018 1:55pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I agree that democracy would benefit from change. I’d like to see a system that isn’t based on 17th geo-constrained century paradigm, specifically one that:
  
  1. Does away with electorate and list seats
  
  2. Has parties choose and publish a list of biographies for 2n candidates, where n is the number of seats in parliament.
  
  3. Give me, a registered voter, online access to all these biographies, allowing me to favourite candidates for my votes, compare background/experience etc. In other words, just like I do with choosing food, household purchases, travel, experiences, charities, and everything else in life.
  
  4. On election day, allows me to vote for up to 5 people – not constrained by geography or party.
  
  5. The election results would be a ranked list of our most preferred leaders.
  
  6. The party with the most preferred candidates would form the government.
  
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  October 21, 2018 2:37pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    &@#$ edit function!
    
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    October 21, 2018 2:42pm
    - sooty
      
      I agree! You should make me King!
      
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      October 21, 2018 4:15pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Sounds a good idea to me.
    But at the ballot box you would be confronted with a list of 1,000 choices!
    Say 100 seats, 10 parties so 2n = 200×10 parties = 1,000!
    Similar to some of the ballot papers in Afghanisatan this election.
    
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    October 21, 2018 4:18pm
- cha
  
  Another movement with it’s very own nutters.
  
  https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/paul-rosenfeld-sortition/
  
  https://equalitybylot.com/2015/03/21/paul-rosenfeld-the-extinction-of-politics/
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:17pm
krazykiwi

Is Nikki Haley a potential future US president? Genuine question. All I know of her relates to outstanding pushback against theUN’s thugs, so I have no idea of her likely future aspirations.
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October 21, 2018 2:45pm
- Morrissey
  
  She’s utterly repulsive. She’s a liar, a fanatic, and a thug.
  
  Perfect, in other words.
  
  As always, there’s no better judge of character than Norman Finkelstein….
  
  Her demented cross-eyed gaze confirms speculation that US UN rep Nikki Haley is a crazed vampire. Still, there’s method in her madness. Haley sees her stint in the UN as a stepping stone to higher office. The political fortunes of former New York senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan were boosted by denouncing Arab-Third World hordes and defending poor, misunderstood Israel when he was US UN rep. Haley hopes to win the support of Jewish moneybags in the Republican party by bravely rising to Israel’s defense and breathing fire on Hamas. Just as the photo of Moynihan’s raised hand during the “Zionism is racism” UN debate in 1975 catapulted him into stardom among American Jews, so Haley got her photo-op as she demonstratively walked out of a UN debate (after Israel’s 14 May 2018 massacre in Gaza) just as the Palestinian Authority rep rose to speak. (The irony passed unnoticed that, for all the mutually recriminatory noise-making, Washington continues to subsidize the PA collaborators/ torturers in Ramallah). Below I juxtapose Haley’s lunatic Security Council resolution on the situation in Gaza–it garnered one vote; her own–against the carefully documented assessment of the situation in Gaza by Oxfam, a respected humanitarian organization.
  
  https://www.un.org/unispal/document/draft-security-council-resolution-on-gaza-violence-s2018520/
  
  https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/620527/mb-gaza-israel-blockade-civilians-270818-en.pdf
  
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  October 21, 2018 2:55pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Your vitriol confirms her as precisely what a post-Trump US need.
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:04pm
  - Manolo
    
    A lovely lefty, isn’t he? 😀
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:20pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Go take your meds
    
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    October 21, 2018 3:45pm
    - sooty
      
      Go and see stephie, he has exactly what you need and both of you will get relief!
      
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      October 21, 2018 4:08pm
      - sooty
        
        She is just what is needed after Trump leaves office. She explodes snowflakes heads!
        
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        October 21, 2018 4:12pm
  - DigNap15
    
    If you think Nikki Haley is repulsive you must have very high standards.
    She could sit on my face any day.
    Do you prefer horses?
    She is a great woman who told the UN delegates that the USA is not going to be dictated by a whole lot of tin pot countries with no standards or redeeeming features.
    
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    October 21, 2018 4:14pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Given what the repulsive Morris Oxford thinks of her, she’s the perfect candidate.
    Go Nikki.
    
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    October 21, 2018 9:38pm
- SimpleJack
  
  Nimrata Randhawa is Hillary Clinton redux, just not quite as visibly degenerate corrupt and criminal.
  
  If you think what happened with the Awans was bad, think about how Randhawa could exceed it.
  
  She is a scrub. She got fired for a reason. The US under Indian CEOs is a very bad place. She actually has to go back. Along with said CEOs. Trump needs to can H1Bs after the midterms. End them
  
  If there is one thing worse then an Israeli dual citizen pretending to be American and care about Americans its an Indian Israeli citizen. It’s like King Canute. No one understands the reality of identity politics. No, she is not a ‘based American’. She is a corrupt foreign alien. She isn’t even right wing. Not really.
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:24pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Or how about Sarah Sanders? She knows how to deal to the fake news media, holds her own very well
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:44pm
Manolo

Another nutter’s rant:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/marama-davidson-tells-people-to-delete-themselves/ar-BBOEsDL

Green co-leader Marama Davidson has called on the “bros” to “delete” themselves in a Twitter rant criticising the treatment of ethnic communities in New Zealand.

In late-night tirade, Ms Davidson said ethnic communities had been treated like “economic units” long before the release of secret phone recordings by former National MP Jami-Lee Ross highlighted an alleged cash-for-candidate
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October 21, 2018 3:23pm
- SimpleJack
  
  http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=15315
  
  Everything said by the Zman is irrelevant. It’s too late. Magic dirt doesn’t exist. Men of goodwill can’t exist in minority majority states. Creedal nations and civic nationalism is dead. Nothing will stop the people who ignore all that and hate it from doing what they will do. So sink the ships and strafe the caravans. You see it here everyday. Oh, Nimrata Randhawa, she would really represent and stand up for the American nation. No, she wouldn’t. She would simultaneously bleed it dry for Israel and for India. She should go back. She ia incapable of representing the American nation. She has no interest in doing so.
  
  Again its like being King Canute.
  
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  October 21, 2018 3:37pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks Manolo but we must ask why stop there? Had to laugh at “economic units”after all the money wasted on them the cost per unit is eye watering. But if the COL have their way every taxpayer will be paying for two each and not even vertical enough to be book ends.
  
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  October 21, 2018 4:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Shit!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45930206

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/369115/us-to-leave-russian-nuclear-treaty
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October 21, 2018 3:26pm
- cha
  
  Russia breaches a treaty regarded as one of Reagan’s most significant accomplishments so the US pulls out, and Russia gets to keep its missiles and stand over NATO countries.Vlad must be delighted with his boy in Washington.
  
  But hey, taxpayers are on the hook to develop and deploy the next round of intermediate range missiles, and the US gets to stand over Asia.
  
  Just fucking peachy.
  
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  October 21, 2018 4:33pm
  - Inandout
    
    Oh no, Russian collusion!
    
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    October 21, 2018 4:53pm
Ross12

Reading all this stuff about Ross reminded me of one of Bill English’s parting comments. Something like
” I hope the National Party does not pull itself apart”
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October 21, 2018 3:58pm
- BlueGriffon
  
  JLR committed to mental health unit by police. They don’t do that easily so must be bad.
  
  Good to see maybe his family have staged an intervention. Time to leave it all alone now!!
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:02pm
  - greybeard
    
    I agree. I hope he gets all the help he needs.
    I can’t imagine what it would be like for a member of my family to go through this sort of thing.
    
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    October 21, 2018 6:22pm
  - KevOB
    
    The Police commit no one. A doctor has to give an opinion and the Medical authorities act to require compulsory examination. The Police assist with enforcement if needed. The initial period is for 5 days but the review team may make orders and the Court may review these being renewed at a later date.
    
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    October 21, 2018 10:21pm
sooty

Youth dies at youth camp says stuff.
I wonder if it was another Labour youth camp?
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October 21, 2018 4:03pm
GoVege

When the hell is our government going to speak up about the torture and murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi?
Only the Greens seem to give a toss.
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October 21, 2018 4:47pm
- Inandout
  
  The Greens toss.
  
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  October 21, 2018 4:53pm
  - GoVege
    
    Thank you for at least responding, Inandout.
    The silence out there is frigging deafening!
    
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    October 21, 2018 5:11pm
- holysheet
  
  By the silence, no one gives a shit about a leftie journalist. And why should they.
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:25pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Submitting a few opinion pieces doesn’t make someone a journalist
    
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    October 21, 2018 5:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Winston Peters & David Parker had put out a condemnation notice earlier today and had complained to the Saudi Embassy.
  https://www.newsie.co.nz/news/122373-death-of-jamal-khashoggi-winston-peters.html
  
  This was reported on the 4pm RNZ news.
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:49pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I agree GoVege. The sooner we can collectively turn our backs on these stone age barbarians the better.
  
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  October 21, 2018 6:03pm
Rachael Membery

Jami Lee Ross has, according to the herald banner, been admitted into a mental health facility, so that is a good thing.
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October 21, 2018 5:07pm
- GoVege
  
  About time…
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:12pm
- cha
  
  Sluggish schizophrenia?
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:23pm
- DigNap15
  
  Gee that’s embarrassing
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:23pm
- holysheet
  
  By the police too.
  So It’s the end of Nationals worry about invoking the waka jumping law.
  “Oh buggar” said the drunken dwarf., “I wanted them to do it so I can crow”
  
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  October 21, 2018 5:24pm
  - Inandout
    
    holysheet, the dwarf will have to find another song, this time about building bridges.
    
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    October 21, 2018 5:30pm
    - holysheet
      
      I don’t think you mean this one
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4TwbdqV08
      
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      October 21, 2018 5:41pm
Inandout

To disqualify an MP the Police must be involved, and this seems to be the case.
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October 21, 2018 5:27pm
DigNap15

Not one mention of it on TV1 tonight!
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October 21, 2018 9:12pm
Rachael Membery

Massey would say that, and I doubt that the numbers will improve.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/107977322/one-in-three-university-students-arent-completing-their-degrees
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October 21, 2018 10:17pm
Manolo

Barbaric.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/official-flip-flop-on-khashoggi-murder-shocks-loyal-saudis
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