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realityczech

Now everyone play nicely and avoid politics and religion.
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December 8, 2018 9:19am
- GazzaW
  
  Pot, kettle, black RC?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:23am
  - realityczech
    
    So what have you got against blacks?
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      Nothing, as long as they stick to picking cotton……..;)
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        FFS people, where has your sense of humour gone?
        
        Has the maori Santa in Nelson stolen your laugh button?
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:03pm
- Biscuit
  
  Agreed, realityczech.
  
  Allowable topics today:
  
  * Sex
  * Food
  * Football
  * Presents that Kiwibloggers are gonna surprise me with as we head towards Christmas.
  
  Oh, shit, that last one was religion, wasn’t it?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:24am
  - realityczech
    
    I don’t think a birthday celebration for an unemployed gay Jewish communist will cause offence.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:27am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Allowable topics today:
    
    Not cricket?
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:44am
    - Biscuit
      
      Oh, me BAD, MT_Tinman.
      
      Def. Cricket!
      
      Love it when a seemingly-bold declaration pays off as big time as Williamson’s one did!
      
      All I want now is for Australia to implode vs India, heh heh…
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:07am
      - pdm
        
        Not sure it was a bold declaration on that track Biscuit but I am with on Aussies v India. Idoubt the Aussies will get Kohli as cheaply in the second dig.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:17am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        I also am not sure it was a bold declaration. The Pakistani commentators (Christ Morrison and Doull are bloody awful!) were talking defeat before the declaration was made.
        
        At least, for once, Williamson got it right.
        
        I’m still not sold on his captaincy but with the exception of Taylor the team does seem to be working as a team again.
        
        pdm, the last two days in Adelaide have been fascinating.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:39am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit I think there is someone haunting this thread who either:
        1. doesn’t like cricket
        or
        2. doesn’t like you and I.
        
        because I see we both have a down tick.
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:03am
      - Biscuit
        
        Yo, pdm.
        
        Ah I saw that.
        
        I like to think I’m providing a community service.
        
        If I weren’t here for that ‘haunter’, ha, why, he might go out into the streets and do all sorts of OTHER dastardly things!
        
        Hope you have a great Chrissy/New Year: we fly out to Toronto end of next week for Christmas Day with our wee ‘un and his boss-to-be now that he has (at last!) got himself hitched.
        
        I want S N O W!
        
        (Haunt away, my downticking pal!)
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:13am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit do you thinkit might be mttinman because he doesn’t have any down ticks – lol.
        
        Shit now I have two!!
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:23am
      - Longknives
        
        Cricket discussions just aren’t the same without Kimbo pulling up some obscure statistic or result from the mid 70s…
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:53am
      - Biscuit
        
        Don, worryeth not.
        
        You know me: a nice, tolerant sort of soul who rarely wishes ill on anyone.
        
        Our downtickers have had their names added to my List Of People To Be Executed On Day One Of My Reign As Master Of The Universe.
        
        [After I am unanimously elected to that position, natch.]
        
        The List presently includes:
        
        + Members of the Labour-NZ First-RedGreen ‘Coalition of Losers’
        + Man Yoo fans
        + Bono of ‘U2’, of course.
        + QuadeBloodyCooper, natch.
        + Did I mention Justin Drew Bieber?
        + Plus anyone who has annoyed me in any small way, heh heh.
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:41pm
      - realityczech
        
        [After I am unanimously elected to that position, natch.]
        
        Or after Winston appoints you 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:44pm
  - Viking2
    
    What about no.3 That’s supposed to be our home grown version, but watch out or the bruv will be here to smear his usual crap about. Just to spoil the day.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:55am
- secondcumming
  
  My 14-y-o niece txts……..
  
  You have 78 Christmas presents.
  Now subtract your age.
  Now add 40.
  That’s the year you were born.
  
  Fucking spooky, eh?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:26am
  - mandk
    
    Crikey.
    
    That means I was born in the year Emperor Claudius died.
    
    No wonder I sometimes feel a bit old.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:37am
  - tas
    
    It doesn’t work if you have a birthday between today and 1 Jan 2019.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:38am
  - emmess
    
    No
    78 + 40 = 118 i.e. 2018
    Your age is the same amount as years ago.
    I hope you were being sarcastic.
    Anyyway for me it wrong because I was born later in December than now.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:42am
    - secondcumming
      
      I just showed your comment to my niece, she said, “Bet he’s a ‘2 ticks-red’ man, uncle”
      
      BoL!!
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:49am
    - Fletch
      
      Haha, true. Most of these types of arithmetic tricks involve “thinking of a number” at the start and then later on “subtracting the number you first thought of” leaving only the result of the other numbers suggested for adding and subtracting.
      
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      December 8, 2018 11:11am
      - Biscuit
        
        * Think of a number between 1 and 100.
        * Divide by your street address number. Ignore decimals.
        * Subtract 9.
        * Add the three numbers of your IQ
        (CoL voters, you can make this a three-figured number by putting one of them Zero thingies before the two numbers you boast)
        *Add 13.
        *Add the year your first-born child was conceived.
        
        The answer will be the number of seconds you have wasted on this pointless exercise.
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:48pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    That’s great! Works for me. Nice one and thanks for the non-political non-religious diversion! Cheers 😀
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Any chance you can get that youngster into grant robertson’s office, sound like she knows a lot more about numbers than he does.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:52am
- Scott
  
  Right oh realityczech. If I could just say this one thing ?
  
  I might have mentioned about the NZ media bias against trump. This article on stuff today surely takes the cake.
  The headline reads – “Trump could’ve ruined Bush’s funeral. Bush didn’t let him”.
  But actually trump was very kind and civil at the funeral for George Bush. He went out of his way to be kind and gracious.
  
  However things only become clear when you read the byline of the author of this anti trump hit piece –
  “Rick Wilson is a Republican political consultant, a Daily Beast columnist and the author of Everything Trump Touches Dies: A Republican Strategist Gets Real About the Worst President Ever.
  
  The Washington Post”
  
  Basically to get noticed you claim that you are a Republican and then you can be well paid by the mainstream media for trashing the leader of your own party!
  Nice work if you can get it.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:28am
  - realityczech
    
    Serves you right for reading Stuff.
    
    I look at it to see what the sheeple are being told to think, but never consider it news.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:31am
    - greybeard
      
      Agreed.
      Look at the anti-Bridges article today from Tracy Watkins.
      What on earth prompted that particular item ?
      As far as I am concerned Simon Bridges is not putting a foot wrong, just leaving the CoL to self-destruct.
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:59am
      - MrTips
        
        Couple jobs going in PMs office. Tracy knows she’s on limited time (as they all are) at Fairfax.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:04am
      - gorse
        
        I think Watkins is worried about how Simon Bridges keeps tearing up Cindy in QT and wants him gone.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:10am
      - Longknives
        
        I’m not a Simon Bridges man.
        But this week was his best week yet in Parliament.
        He utterly destroyed Jacinda Ardern with that cross examination- Left her a trembling, stammering wreck!
        
        That’s why the Media are gunning for him now…
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:56am
      - RF
        
        Big problems in the PMs media office.
        
        Cindy is upset that the correct message is not being distributed amongst anyone who will listen and now threatens jobs.
        
        There are stories about pouting, screaming, foot stamping and generally her being a very unpleasant person to work for.
        
        Has she gone on another one of her junkets ?
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:57pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Got banned for “racism” so pointed out a few of the many historical references to maori cannibalism so therefore my comment wasn’t racist.
      
      He then pointed out that I had called one of their journos an idiot and i admitted I had no defense for that but then I thought, “well you hired the idiot”…so I never went back.
      
      They are just a mouthpiece for ardern the liar and seem to despise anything that dents their socialist bubble.
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:58am
  - howitis
    
    Well then don’t repeat what mindless vindictive repeaters blurt out.
    You only give their crap validation and introduce it to another audience.
    Cease and desist.
    Tout de suite!
    
    Wapo, NYT, CNN, TVNZ.
    It is all pollution of the soul and the mind.
    The sort of pollution beloved by the very Red, Green Party.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:44am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott, it was, in fact, the Bush family who acted graciously by inviting Trump given the fact that he badmouthed and besmirched them to the core!
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Come on steffy girl, post that link.
      
      As President, there would be no chance that he would not be there, especially as the US government paid for the damn thing.
      
      Just like you…
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 8, 2018 11:01am
- mandk
  
  Spoilsport!
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  Is a story on jewellery OK ?
  
  Te he he.
  
  ‘The ring was one of thousands of items found in the dig. The famous name on it was discerned after a thorough cleansing, when it was photographed with the use of a special camera at the Israel Antiquities Authority labs.’
  
  https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ring-of-roman-governor-pontius-pilate-who-executed-jesus-found-in-herodion-site-1.6699353
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:25am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Is Handball playing?
  
  Speaking of playing nicely – what about the amazing result by the Australian Women’s handball team coming in 5th in the Asian Women’s Championships?
  
  Of course, it’s surely nothing to do with the fact that they have a transgender 6’3″ 250lb ex-Aussie Rules footballer in the team. They say a picture tells a thousand words.
  
  Let’s hope the Australian men’s Sevens team doesn’t decide they’re all transgender – the NZ team wouldn’t be so dominant then!
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Handball or hard balls?
    
    Whatever it is , it’s cheating.
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:14am
    - sooty
      
      I think it’s no balls!
      
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      December 8, 2018 6:14pm
Manolo

Will the crook be found?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/police-search-for-man-following-machete-pizza-hut-robbery/ar-BBQCySp
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December 8, 2018 9:19am
- stephieboy
  
  I suppose the consolation is that he wasn’t toting a AR 15.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Knife crime is sooooooo innocent.
    
    “The number of stabbing victims with life-threatening injuries treated by specialist trauma doctors has increased by 34% in two years, according to NHS figures obtained by the Guardian.
    
    Doctors are also reporting an increase in the severity of attacks, with victims increasingly arriving in hospital with multiple puncture wounds”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/21/trauma-doctors-knife-crime-epidemic-nhs-hospitals
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow, when did the last mass knifing occur on a par with Las Vegas or Parklands?
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:50am
      - realityczech
        
        They occur regularly in places where civilians can not own guns. China has many examples. They typically get more people than mass shooters. Probably because you can hear a gun and run away before the shooter turns up.
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:53am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        A friend of mine was murdered by knife very early in life. She was trying to defend herself against a guy who had been watching her sunbathing and then invaded her home to rape her.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        rc, sources, please
        
        Sigh!
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        Classic Liberal – Don’t give sources to this Stephie, he could be the member of the Stephiestani troll team who purves on young girls at the mall.
        
        Don’t feed his, er, uh, weakness.
        
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        December 8, 2018 2:59pm
      - sooty
        
        Do your own research! Idiot!
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow, insignificant compared to the treating of gunshot wounds in the US,
      
      https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17244882/youtube-shooting-trauma-surgery-zuckerberg-san-francisco-general-hospital
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:07pm
  - harvey wilson
    
    “I suppose the consolation is that he wasn’t toting a AR 15.”
    
    Or taking an ak47 and a suicide vest to a concert , or driving a truck into a crowd or beheading a soldier on his way home from work , or bombing a kids playground or….
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Are you happy to continue to support a lying harridan empowered by the most corrupt politician NZ has ever produced?
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:07am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Why anyone needs an Assault knife is beyond me
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:52am
- secondcumming
  
  Not to mention a double stabbing last night in *Mt Roskill*, with one left dead in the street.
  
  As my father-in-law said, “That’s one suburb you don’t venture into these days….unless you’re Doctor Livingstone.”
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:41am
  - stephieboy
    
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    secondcumming , your father-in-law is seriously paranoid and ilikely is catching.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:43am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Stuffy: denies the sexual assaults happened in front of Cologne Cathedral and considers fear of sexual abuse ‘moral panic’.
      
      So of course he’d consider fear of stabbing ‘paranoia’.
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:46am
    - VicParking
      
      PMT started Stephie
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:48am
    - Tall Man
      
      So what “mental” conditions do you exhibit steffy girl?
      
      You blindly support a disturbed woman suffering from pseudologia fantastica and mythomania. Does that indicate a mental condition or are you just plain nuts?
      
      Do you apotheosize ardern the liar because you are so lacking in yourself or is it a traumatic response to your time spent at “camp molestation”?
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 8, 2018 11:16am
  - howitis
    
    It is safe five times a day …. when they are munching carpet.
    
    Imagine all those arses in the air.
    It would make Stiffie bot have erectile function!
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:47am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    And to think when I was born there is the early 1950s it was a nice middle class suburb with new houses largely built by and for the returning WW2 guys. Now my Mum and Dads house is in the middle of a enclave of Middle Easterners that me Dad encountered during WW2 when they were referred to as Fuzzie Wuzzies.
    
    Sad very sad. Mum and Dad will be spinning in their graves God rest them.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      lastmanstanding, spinning in their graves?
      
      Let them, otherwise, boo ho to you!
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:16am
      - GazzaW
        
        Very bad taste comment steffie and duly reported.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      1 Mt Roskill is not a no-go area.
      
      Fact!
      
      2 Crime is not rampant there
      
      Fact.
      
      3 A largely peaceful suburb where diversity is a success and people simply get on with their lives.
      
      Fact.
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:11pm
      - secondcumming
        
        Links?
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        It is a high crime area. A friend of mine was raped by a black Muslim in her home. A very quiet living conservative lady who lived alone.
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:56pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc, how unfortunate. Reported to the police and picked up by the media?
        
        Otherwise, all made up unless you can show differently
        
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        December 8, 2018 1:12pm
KevOB

Remarks by Secretary Pompeo at the German Marshall Fund
https://ua.usembassy.gov/remarks-by-secretary-pompeo-at-the-german-marshall-fund/

Does the extraterritoriality expressed extend to to NZ?

Oops: we are already a 5th eye.
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December 8, 2018 9:21am
- stephieboy
  
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  “This American leadership allowed us to enjoy the greatest human flourishing in modern history. We won the Cold War. We won the peace. With no small measure of George H. W. Bush’s effort, we reunited Germany. This is the type of leadership that President Trump is boldly reasserting…”
  
  The last sentence is highly debatable.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:31am
  - realityczech
    
    Is it? Then why are the migrants all wanting to go to the USA and the West?
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
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      rc, how do you feel about the US Administration backing Ukraine like the US’s predecessor?
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:36am
      - realityczech
        
        Unsurprised and dissapointed. But remember you always blame the previous president, like you did when Obama was in power.
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:38am
      - stephieboy
        
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        rc, did I?
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:41am
Wayne

Anyone got any thoughts on Trump engaging in fiscal stimulus at the top of an economic cycle. In my view, this is going to end extremely badly!
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December 8, 2018 9:24am
- GazzaW
  
  The Dow is going to end the day very badly and that’s twice this week. Oil prices aside, the laws of unintended consequences are coming home to roost.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:29am
  - Wayne
    
    When the downturn comes, the US govt is going to find that they have very few options/levers to pull in order to stimulate the economy.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:33am
- secondcumming
  
  The Dow loses another 500pts overnight….Oils up as Opec reduces supply …..what other tools does he have in his kit?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  You’re right. It can only end badly.
  Economics 101 ” The bigger the party , the bigger the headache”
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:50am
  - KevOB
    
    Another: The more you spend on overseas wars the less you have to spend at home.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:23am
Chuck Bird

This is the reason that people should be at this demonstration. I hope National has an MP there.

Protest The UN Migration Pact
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAl2onqFLMs
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December 8, 2018 9:27am
- Scott
  
  Thanks for the heads up Chuck. There is also a March for life at 2pm today starting from the Wellington civic centre. Also I have lawns and other jobs to do. It’s going to be a busy day! ?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:31am
  - realityczech
    
    There was a small gathering of feminists ranting about abortions at parliament. It received saturation coverage.
    
    The next day there was a huge protest of thousands at parliament that received no coverage. Turns out Destiny Church was involved.
    
    The point here is that the media won’t report on many things. If they do report on the UN thing, it will be an attack on the protesters as racist etc.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:36am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Sadly, you are right.
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:39am
      - kowtow
        
        The commentariat has now turned up the heat on anyone who questions the re invention of the Nelson Santa .
        
        “The main reason why I disagree with it is because I don’t think Māori need to assimilate to Pākehā traditions.
        
        “Santa is a white tradition and we can celebrate it in our own way that suits our culture. Conforming or assimilating to another culture is ultimately the reason why Māori culture is not as present in today’s society.”
        
        Perhaps Milner Skudder should give up rugby union in that case.
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/all-blacks-star-nehe-milner-skudder-weighs-into-nelson-m-ori-santa-saga-white-tradition-and-we-can-celebrate-in-our-own-way
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:55am
- laworder
  
  And if you cant make it to the protest, at least sign the petition and get friends and family etc to do so
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/petitions/document/PET_82367/petition-of-carol-sakey-new-zealand-government-to-reject
  
  Regards
  Peter J
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:49am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    This is to kowtow as there is no reply button against the post. I accidently clicked Report.
    
    I was going to reply that I mistakenly thought that was Cultural Appropriation then realised of course its not when the LEFT do it.
    
    Silly me. The LEFT never do Cultural Appropriation do they?
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:03am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Done.
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:22am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Is this National petition a different one? If so, please sign that too:
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/say_no_to_un_migration_pact
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:59am
    - laworder
      
      It is a different one, and is National party specific. The Parliamentary one is apolitical (at least as much as it is possible for something like this to be) and so is likely to carry more weight
      
      I was at the protest today, about 70-100 people there which was good considering the absence of media coverage
      
      Regards
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      December 8, 2018 4:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        You should have tipped the media that you were protesting for the government to spend more of the health budget on gender reassignment drugs for black transvestites.
        
        The media would have arrived by the van load.
        
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        December 8, 2018 4:14pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Hoping for a huge turnout showing the col the public disagreement with this totalitarian policy.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:05am
- oldpark
  
  @Chuck Bird.
  What the fuck is going on. The UN Migration Pact. Completely generated by Islamic Federations all around the world. They got in to bed with Angela Merkel to carry on the Colonisation of Western Nations. Some nations have woken up to the scam and deception. USA ,Australia,Italy ,Israel Slovakia and others.
  Its a disastrous UN Migration Pact.
  To think Peters and Ardern are about to sign up to the UN Pact is an abomination and just another betrayal of NZs by Peters the so called anti emigration Chameleon of NZ . Never thought i would see the day when someone like Peters would sell out the rights of NZs for a few baubles of Power. That also goes for his small town twerp or is it Slippy Tit Ardern.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:31am
- Piniwi
  
  Plus Chuck Bird be sure to sign the petition that can be found on the NZ Parliament ON Demand web site.
  
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  December 9, 2018 3:17am
artemisia

Well the Kiwibuild head honcho didn’t last long in the job. Who would be masochist enough to step into those shoes.

We will never know why he left, but we can read between the lines. Suspect the free and frank advice did not go down too well.

And on the Kiwibuild subject – from the official website. 33 complete, 77 building. And ”1000 homes will be built by June 2019”. Better get a wriggle on then Mr Twyford.
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December 8, 2018 9:30am
- KevOB
  
  KiwiBuild requires rational planning which is incompatible with COL ideology. Executives, not executioners, cannot proceed on directed feelings. How can they budge the real world to effect the irrational?
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:29am
  - Happychappy
    
    But they have Hugh there should not be any problems, no one knows better than Hugh haven’t you seen his prodigy Twyford expert on everything and master of none.
    
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    December 8, 2018 1:00pm
    - KevOB
      
      I believe Hugh has much more understanding then Tywford. Hugh is an idealist: Tywford is an ideologue whose self belief promotes trouble in a rational world.
      
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      December 8, 2018 3:04pm
simpleton1

20 countries that will not sign the “UN global Migration Pact” with agreement to censor opposition or further debate about immigration.

USA, Hungary, Austria, Bulgaria, Poland, Israel, Estonia, Czech Republic, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy, Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Lithuania.

Belgium is now having heated parliamentary debate and the governing coalition may break up.

Petition in UK has reached 100,000 in quick time, that means debate should occur in UK parliament.

Does one think that refugees would be made welcome in Saudi Arabia? Already there is accommodation for over a million at Mecca, that is only used for a few days during the haji.
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December 8, 2018 9:30am
- DigNap15
  
  Good news 20 countries
  And 3 of them are the most powerful in the world
  USA Russia and China!
  
  Then add Japan, Australia and South Korea and Italy
  
  So if it passed it would be a joke.
  And if we voted for it we would look stupid
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Make no mistake , we will vote for it. And then continue to hide behind the Australian navy.
    
    Germany was in the same boat (haha) till 2015. They virtue signalled about refugee welcome behind a distant border from the Med , then the hordes marched in , called their bluff and Merkel fucked her people good and proper.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:01am
    - Tricati
      
      If we sign it Australia may require us to have visa’s as they are likely to view it as back door access for the un-wanted’ into OZ
      
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      December 8, 2018 1:29pm
  - Komata
    
    DN
    
    WOULD?
    
    Thanks to the SLG we already do so.
    
    Signing will merely confirm it.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:07am
    - sooty
      
      One good thing is that we would not get so many deportees, as they would not be allowed on the areoplane!
      
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      December 8, 2018 6:24pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But DigNap15 the larger group fro NZ are so looking forward to getting to Marrakesh. The UN must be getting a special deal or perhaps being fleeced again.
    
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    December 9, 2018 3:23am
- realityczech
  
  “USA, Hungary, Austria, Bulgaria, Poland, Israel, Estonia, Czech Republic, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy, Russia, China, South Korea, Japan, Australia, Lithuania.”
  
  Pleasing to see countries uniting for the common good and respecting each others unique culture and history.
  
  Unlike the globalists who want us as one grey mass under an unelected all powerful regime of self appointed elites.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:43am
- MCos
  
  If you were a refugee I don’t think a tent city in Saudi Arabia would be very appealing for more than about a week.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:44am
  - Komata
    
    MCos
    
    Surely it would depend on whether you are Sunni or Shia?
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:11am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    They’re actually very good quality, from what I’ve read. Including aircon, I think.
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:27am
    - MCos
      
      I once stayed in a flash hotel for about five months while I was working on a nearby building site.
      It was great for about a week, but although the accommodation was free the meals were not and unless you like eating takeaways every evening watching foreign tv cooped up in a small room you soon get cabin fever.
      That’s obviously not the same situation, but a long term stay in a tent with AC in the desert in Saudi bloody Arabia is a pretty depressing thought even for a refugee.
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:42pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the boss of Kiwibuild has resigned five months into the job and Twitford won’t talk about it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12173087

Is this the beginning of the end of Kiwibuild?
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December 8, 2018 9:31am
- GazzaW
  
  It’s more like the end of the beginning Captain. Twyford just keeps kicking the can further down the road when it comes to houses actually completed.
  
  The whole Kiwibuild thing is a complete clusterfuck and I’m looking forward to Collins exposing Twyford as a total charlatan in the New Year. That’s if he’s not purged in the BBQ reshuffles during the recess.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:39am
  - stigie
    
    Wonder if DPF took those 18 houses built off the counter that were in Papakura or were they National’s..?
    Just askin !~
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:47am
- KevOB
  
  KiwiBuild cannot be let go: their commie program will not allow it. They have already taken a side path to re-create the MOW and give it power over all development in NZ.
  But wait there’s more…
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:37am
- Huevon
  
  I suspect so. Bout time for another ted talk by Jacinda (ya know, where she does a slick presentation to a sympathetic audience who don’t ask questions).
  
  Kiwibuild will get repackaged some how as state housing. JA will claim that was what they were doing all along. Any criticism will be dismissed as “point scoring”.Usual story.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:39am
  - KevOB
    
    KiwiBuild will continue as the COL’s premier leg-up plan to their elite socialist ruling classes. State houses will be their serfs homes.
    
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    December 8, 2018 3:07pm
Jack5

Regardless of the validity of the accusations against Maggie Barry, it’s clear the complainant is playing the media.

This took my eye among the accusations against Maggie Barry that the Hooerald is reporting, and reporting:

…used derogatory terms like “nutter” about people with mental health issues.

That is enough to blurt to the media about? Describing someone a “nutter” is no longer permissible?

Stay strong Maggy, in this case the petals are the weeds. It’s only a Leftist lynch mob – you can face them down.

In the meantime, it sure looks as though “bullying” has been promoted up the ladder of PC whines. However, sometimes the PC mob are the bullies.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12173091
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December 8, 2018 9:33am
- Souvlaki
  
  ..and Audrey Young floats in her piece today the possibility that the Nats have been hacked. Fanciful or truth..who knows….but we do know when Klarkula was Supremo ,Hager mysteriously obtained Don Brashes private emails. Why could this not happen when St J is “leader ” ??
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:52am
  - KevOB
    
    Has the Nat’s caucus room and other officers been bugged?
    My trust in the COL and their promo team is very low. They do operate at that underground dirty level believing in their might of self right.
    Side operators not even known to the govt may be doing the dirty work.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:43am
- alloytoo
  
  It really looks like the media is trying to bully Maggie Barry.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:01am
- KevOB
  
  Pull out the couch grass Maggy.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:39am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “Describing someone a “nutter” is no longer permissible?”
  
  Not if you’re a politician. I like watching ‘Yes, Minister’ to see what subtle expressions Appleby uses to insult or block Hacker and how long it takes Hacker to realise what’s going on.
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:36am
  - Jack5
    
    Classic Liberal, I don’t think the refined standards of Westminster apply in New Zealand and Australia.
    
    Labelling someone a “nutter” in NZ does not imply that the speaker thinks they are insane. Usually it is applied to someone who seems persistently irrational.
    
    I don’t think “irrationality” and “mental illness” equivalent.
    
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    December 8, 2018 3:08pm
Happychappy

Great result and a very rewarding Tour for Williamson and the Black Caps a very good series win which now days is very hard to achieve against Pakistan and something Australia failed to do in their earlier tour. Congratulations well done and lets hope it continues over the summer months at home.
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December 8, 2018 9:35am
- calendar girl
  
  Anyone know why are these cricket Tests are being played in Abu Dhabi?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:46am
  - DigNap15
    
    Where have you been for 10 years?
    Most test playing nations don’t want to go to Pakistan because it is a shithole…
    No the real reason is that there are too many terrorist attacks.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:48am
    - MCos
      
      Plenty of cricket is played in shitholes.
      Tauranga for example.
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:51am
      - VicParking
        
        Eden Park, the most mis-shaped cricket ground in the world. The Basin Reserve is a great Cricket ground in a shit hole of a city
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:59am
  - kowtow
    
    The “pure country” is very Islamic , and very dangerous.
    
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/120358.html
    
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1317979
    
    Two very high profile attcks.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:21am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Anyone know why are these cricket Tests are being played in Abu Dhabi?
    
    Some years ago the Sri Lankan cricket team bus was attacked in Pakistan with a couple of players seriously hurt.
    
    Since then almost no team (of any sport) will venture into Pakistan.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:34am
- MCos
  
  The Blackcaps have won three of their last four tests in the UAE. I don’t believe they’ve lost a series there. Plenty of big shots have.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another UN lot full of dodgy creeps.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/07/americas/unaids-sexual-harassment-report-intl/index.html
Why do we fund these outfits?
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December 8, 2018 9:35am
- realityczech
  
  Where is Morrie when you need him?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:48am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Morrisey is pretty selective about who he calls a groper on his blog . If he doesn’t like the guy he’s a groper it’s one of his heroes the women are liars.
    
    #metoo
    #believewomen
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MW, and who funds the similar one presently in the Whitehouse?
  
  Always on the lookout ways to badmouth the UN
  but not the Whitehouse?
  
  Why?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:54am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Deflection from Stefaknee , didn’t see that coming .
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m not very interested in US politics, stephieboy.
    
    Perhaps you haven’t noticed.
    
    You do seem to be confused about many things.
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:01am
- kowtow
  
  Slightly related …….Pakistan under the cricketer kicking out humanitarians, what a fucked up place.
  
  ‘Mr Hasan said the 18 expelled groups, with the exception of two that are still in court trying to overturn their ouster, have closed their operations in Pakistan. The groups provided everything from education to health care to sanitary and clean water facilities, he said. Many worked in partnership with provincial governments, often supplementing meager development budgets.’
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/07/pakistan-expels-18-charities-amid-lingering-fallout-bin-laden/
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:10am
flipper

Re Curia polls for National…
True or false, the shit purveyed by Soper and now Edwards pisses me off.
I have exchange emails with DPF over Curia/NP polls and he rightly says they belong to the client. He dOes not publish them.
Moreover, circulation is strictly limited, and the detail now alleged by Soper and Edwards is such that their claims are absolute crap or treason exceeding that of Lord Haw Haw.
This is bloody disgraceful.
National Party Members deserve better.
The polls are for and by National. Either shut up and limited circulation to Bridges, Bennett, Goodfellow and Hamilton or bugger off!
This was published by yesterday by Edwards/herald.
Friday 7.12.2018

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12173096
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December 8, 2018 9:38am
- tf78
  
  It seems to me that Soapbox Soper is single handedly out to get National – I just don’t know why. Is he being paid extra for doing so? It’s only his word we have about the leaks it could all be b….hit.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:13am
  - MrsAnnie
    
    He hates Simon who joked with the 7 days crew from memory years back that Sopers next wife was most likely still at kindy- refering to the age gap between Soper and HDA – South African HDA also seems to have something against brown boys.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Barely Sober is Peters’s special friend with whom he drinks, as nobody else will.
    Sober does exactly what Peters says.
    Used to be called a bumboy in the past.
    
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    December 8, 2018 2:16pm
- KevOB
  
  Bryce Edwards? Has he moved in with the COL?
  He is part of the hit team and has no integrity.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:50am
- peterwn
  
  Preferred leader polls are effectively what the Media want them to be. Hence they are completely meaningless.
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:17am
- Happychappy
  
  Flipper : doesn’t incite on blubbers oils blog get their poll done by Curia also, if so I would not bet against anyone that wanted to say that that’s where the information has come from remembering he has a grudge against National.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:11pm
Manolo

Undignified behaviour, to say the least:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/07/rex-tillerson-says-he-pushed-back-on-illegal-trump-demands.html

President Donald Trump called former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson “dumb as a rock” a day after Tillerson said the president encouraged him to break the law while he was in the administration.
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December 8, 2018 9:41am
- gump
  
  Trump tweets about Rex Tillerson in chronological order:
  
  ————————————————————
  
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/807970490635743237
  
  Whether I choose him or not for “State”- Rex Tillerson, the Chairman & CEO of ExxonMobil, is a world class player and dealmaker. Stay tuned!
  
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/808638507161882624
  
  I have chosen one of the truly great business leaders of the world, Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, to be Secretary of State.
  
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/808653723639697408
  
  The thing I like best about Rex Tillerson is that he has vast experience at dealing successfully with all types of foreign governments.
  
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/827113926517194757
  
  Congratulations to Rex Tillerson on being sworn in as our new Secretary of State. He will be a star!
  
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/936688444046266368
  
  The media has been speculating that I fired Rex Tillerson or that he would be leaving soon – FAKE NEWS! He’s not leaving and while we disagree on certain subjects, (I call the final shots) we work well together and America is highly respected again!
  
  https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1071132880368132096
  
  Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:14pm
DigNap15

In the latest Colmar Bruton poll
Yes Ardern was top and then Bridges on 7 and Collins on 6.
There were about 10 people on half a percent.
There were 32% don’t know!

So with National getting the highest votes in the poll, most of those don’t knows will be National supporters.
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December 8, 2018 9:41am
- MCos
  
  Another interesting thing about that poll is that while there are plenty of ‘don’t knows’ in the preferred pm poll there are apparently none in the preferred party.
  How did they come up with that?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:57am
- Piniwi
  
  But DigNap15 we await the inclusion of alternative leaders for the COL parties. NF and Gang Green are teetering on the edge of a hole while the DLG has started to slide on thinning ice. We could see yet another Labour Leaders Circus parade and travelling road show. Funding it will be much easier from the Treasury benches while sweet cheeks is too puffed up to hear much these days.
  
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  December 9, 2018 3:38am
DigNap15

Here is my latest list of email contacts in case you want to email any of them

herald

Jamie Morton science
jamie.morton@nzherald.co.nz

Damien Venuto
Business Reporter
damien.venuto@nzherald.co.nz

Anne Gibson
Property editor
anne.gibson@nzherald.co.nz

Audrey Young
Political editor
audrey.young@nzherald.co.nz

Samuel Hurley
New Zealand Herald court reporter.
sam.hurley@nzherald.co.nz

Stuff

Tracy Watkins Political Editor
Tracy.watkins@stuff.co.nz

Susan Edmunds – personsal finance and property
susan.edmunds@stuff.co.nz

Andy Fyers Data Journalist
andy.feyers@stuff.co.nz

Newstalk ZB

Barry Soper – political editor
barrys@newstalkzb.co.nz
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December 8, 2018 9:43am
- KevOB
  
  No thanks. All useless. I neither read or listen to their propaganda.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:52am
- VicParking
  
  The team of monkey’s punching typewriters
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:03am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Directed monkeys
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:35pm
- starboard
  
  Tee Hee…I emailed Soper and told him a few home truths, he did not like it one little bit bawahahahaha!
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:18pm
holysheet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PirVtiJuvDs

Nice to be home again after travelling around Ireland, southern UK and Singapore.

Winston, Merkel and Putin are kidnapped by ISIS terrorists during an international summit. They are bundled into a vehicle and driven to a remote location where the chief terrorist tells them that they will be executed by firing squad for opposing the Caliphate. First, Putin will be shot, then Merkel and finally Winston. Their executions will be filmed for propaganda purposes.
Putin remains calm and whispers to the others “Don’t worry- I’m ex-KGB so I’m trained to handle situations like this. Just follow my lead.”
Putin is led in front of the firing squad and just as they are about to shoot, he pretends to panic and shouts out “FLOOD!” While the startled terrorists are looking around for the flood, Putin quickly runs off and escapes.
“Did you see what Putin did?” explains Merkel to Winston, “He…”
Winston interrupts, “Yeah. Waddaya think I am, stupid or something? I’m a genius. A very stable genius.”
Next, Merkel is led out to her execution. At the critical moment, she yells out “TORNADO!” and makes her getaway in the resulting confusion.
Finally it is Winstons turn. He is taken in front of his executioners, a smug grin on his face. As they level their guns at him, he shouts “FIRE!”

Oh if only this was true
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December 8, 2018 9:43am
- tf78
  
  Holysheet we’ve missed you. Have a great Christmas and welcome home.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:18am
- VicParking
  
  Holy welcome back, missed
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:03am
harvey wilson

Attn Morrisey , the groper you refuse to profile on your blog was offered a deal to get out of the embassy and turned it down.

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/news.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/ev3mma/ecuador-assange-deal-uk-embassy
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December 8, 2018 9:44am
- harvey wilson
  
  More here Morrisey , has to obviously answer for his bail jumping after allegedly raping two women ( one of which had to go into hiding after left wing trolls ruined her life) .
  
  https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/conditions-met-for-assange-to-leave-ecuador-embassy-in-london-11008508
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:51am
- stigie
  
  And for a moment there i thought you were talking about Darren Hughes ?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:52am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Hahahaha, not sure who the guest speaker is at this years labour youth camp after Bill Cosby had to cancel.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:58am
    - VicParking
      
      I hear they are trying to get Stewart Murray Wilson day leave to attend
      
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      December 8, 2018 11:06am
DigNap15

Today I emailed Andy Fyers from Stuff.
I complained about his article on NZ having high methane emissions due to the fact that we have 10 million cows.
Well there are 1.4 billion cows in the world.
India has 283 million
China has 113 million
The USA 50 million
Indonesia 42 million
etc etc
I pointed out to him that most of the methane our cows produce will be going to feed people in OTHER countries so why do we get singled out?
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December 8, 2018 9:46am
- harvey wilson
  
  How much longer is stuff going to be financially viable ? I love the fact that most of the time the comments show how out of step they are with the mood of the nation and they usually have to close them.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:00am
niggly

There were a couple of interesting links to media articles from people here yesterday:

The first link asks “Putting the Sroubek puzzle together is challenging – perhaps a key piece is missing” and in the second one National is accusing Winston Peters of “appearing” to to have launched a campaign against Sroubek’s former wife.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/12/general_debate_7_december_2018.html#comment-2375830
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/12/general_debate_7_december_2018.html#comment-2376430

People have been wondering whether there is a link (indirectly) with Sroubek and Labour somehow, but could it be that there is actually a link (indirectly) with Sroubek and NZF?

Personally I cannot see any such links, so don’t think so at all (and to be honest can’t see a link with Labour either), but two curious coincidences which may or may not have any relevance:

i) There have been high profile arrests in the horse racing industry over the last 2-3 months (and even recently still) involving “high-end” drugs. Could Sroubek have been involved (and could he now be an informer, hence the appearance of COL “protection” by not deporting him)? So far the arrests in the horse industry seem to be at the lower levels, but could there be people at the top calling in “political favors” so to speak?

ii) I can’t understand why Winston is being so protective of ILG (and appears to be denigrating his former wife). Both Winston and Jacinda have dragged themselves into the debacle and are adamant ILG has done nothing wrong (and is a “victim” himself says Winston).

So why is WinstonFirst being so protective of Labour, or is that the wrong question … is it WinstonFirst telling Labour (as usual) this is how this case will and must be handled, if so, why?
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December 8, 2018 9:46am
- MrTips
  
  Don’t forget there are many media folk who can snort and shag between the lines ….
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:10am
- Viking2
  
  Like I asked earlier.
  Do horses thrive on grass clippings?
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:13am
  - niggly
    
    Yes indeed, I saw your comment earlier saying that, so that got me wondering whether that’s the “connection”?
    
    Knowing someone affiliated with the horse racing industry (and from other talk around the workplace) it seems “high-end” drug taking in that industry is widely known and just a normal occurrence, after all the money’s there. If so I guess its a case of “work hard and party hard”?
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:24am
  - KevOB
    
    I wondered about the meaning of that.
    Sroubek may have deep and varied connections. Don’t presume that we have found them .
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    It is not good to feed horses grass clippings, neither is it very smart to snort white powder, of any flavour, up one’s nose
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:41pm
- KevOB
  
  There is an anomaly.
  In investigations they can point to the gold.
  
  Good work. Keep on inquiring.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:59am
Hugh Pavletich

… JUST UPDATED … PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING website … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … refresh …

Following a lull through the first part of the year (as explained below within the June 2018 Update), thankfully, New Zealand is back on track as the global leader, in dealing with the structural issues (land supply and infrastructure financing) impeding the supply of new affordable housing.

Let the updated ‘2018’ and ‘2018 – Articles Of Significance’ sections speak for themselves !
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December 8, 2018 9:50am
- realityczech
  
  No.
  
  The government is now subsidizing builders by buying houses from them using tax payer money. This will help maintain high property prices.
  
  They are introducing regulations and taxes at an astonishing rate that will drive down incomes and increase costs.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:01am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Watch the ‘spillover’: housing downturn’s ripples already being felt … SMH
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/watch-the-spillover-housing-downturn-s-ripples-already-being-felt-20181205-p50kg6.html
    
    Perth’s four-year housing bust is nothing like what Sydney and Melbourne’s property markets face – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-06/perth-housing-bust-nothing-like-what-sydney-melbourne-face/10585968
    
    Falling Australian house prices a warning for NZ: commentator | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/108168646/falling-australian-house-prices-a-warning-for-nz-commentator
    
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    December 8, 2018 1:22pm
    - starboard
      
      “Hic..Hic..”
      
      Loon.
      
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      December 8, 2018 5:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

US now a net exporter of Oil
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-06/u-s-becomes-a-net-oil-exporter-for-the-first-time-in-75-years
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December 8, 2018 9:52am
- realityczech
  
  But but but… PEAK OIL. LOL 🙂
  
  Who can forget the hysterical predictions about oil running out, from the “scientists”
  
  By now we were all supposed to be starving and in a state of global war as there was no more oil.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Looks like Texas/New Mexico is holding a vast reservoir of oil and Nat. Gas….
    Latest news from USGS
    https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-announces-largest-continuous-oil-assessment-texas-and-new-mexico
    
    I don’t think the US will be running out of nasty hydrocarbons anytime soon.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:03am
    - realityczech
      
      It will never run out. We will have moved to other forms of energy when there are still reserves remaining.
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:05am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MW, the odour of hydrocarbons have a special appeal?
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:22am
      - VicParking
        
        A bit like Goat rear ends Stephie
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        Surely your little brain can come up with better defections than that you silly girl.
        
        ardern is a liar
        
        steffy is a girl
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:29am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Tall Man: Stuffy is no girl. He has no sympathy for sexual abuse victims at all and thinks the Cologne Cathedral Square sexual attack victims were *lying*.
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:49am
    - DigNap15
      
      I also find it hard to believe the Tiny little Qatar has some of the world largest gas reserves!
      
      Texas and New Mexico would be 100 times Qatars area.
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:24am
      - realityczech
        
        Those Islamic shit holes are in for a shock when no one wants their oil.
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:12pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        And how we all look forward to that day RC.
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:47pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Now we need a new tv series Dallas3
      
      I miss JR and Bobby (and their hot wives)
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:25am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes i can remember in the 1970’s that “scientists”
    were telling us that we were going to run out of oil by the early 2,000’s
    Now we have millions more cars in places like China and Brazil and we have not run out.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:22am
    - realityczech
      
      Actually oil production has been reaching record highs, as has demand.
      
      Oh and who can forget the hysteria about the ozone hole? 🙂
      
      Fact is not a single disaster has been accurately predicted. And no doomsday prediction has ever come to pass.
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:14pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Almost; I predict this labour led omnishambles ctrl left government, will end badly for New Zealand
        
        I’ve a lazy fiver here that says I am right.
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:44pm
      - realityczech
        
        That is not a prediction of a future event. That is a description of the here and now.
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:29pm
  - starboard
    
    But But..wussel said petrol would be 10 bucks a litre by now ! Wussel must be a liar. I would like to beat him with his flag.
    
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    December 8, 2018 5:18pm
  - The Heat
    
    I was abused by leftists for questioning the settled science on Peak Oil. They pointed to scientists, all of whom – they quoted – were in agreement on Peak Oil. Doomed. We must conserve.
    
    All.
    100%.
    Wrong.
    
    And now they are very, very quiet.
    
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    December 8, 2018 7:33pm
    - The Heat
      
      Here are some gems:
      
      https://blog.greens.org.nz/2010/08/29/key-government-hides-from-the-truth-about-oil/
      
      “. Russel is concerned that all these institutions have made it very clear the world is facing an oil price shock in a few short years and this will have a very significant impact on the world economy.
      
      Says he, “No matter how many new oil wells are drilled, New Zealand’s economy will be hit hard by the coming price shocks. It’s time to face the future rather than stick our heads in the sand in the hope that this problem will all go away”.”
      
      Shock!
      
      https://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/10/21/preparing-for-peak-oil/
      
      “Senior North Shore City transport strategist Archer Davis, speaking on behalf of Engineers for Social Responsibility, said a conservative estimate of a 4 per cent annual decline in oil supply raises the prospect of a 12 per cent contraction of New Zealand’s economy over 15 years.”
      
      Ho ho.
      
      https://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/03/20/peak-everything-by-don-elder/
      
      “I have just finished reading Richard Heinberg‘s latest book, Peak Everything. It is a collection of essays that explore the causes and effects of many resource limits. In short, we’re in for a bumpy ride and I highly recommend the book. Today, for some reason I’ve already forgotten, I was reviewing the powerpoint of Don Elder’s presentation to the Energy Federation last September. There it was – Don Elder telling us that:
      
      Peak Oil 2010, Peak Gas 2015, Peak Coal 2025.”
      
      2010! We were doomed!
      
      I could go on….but the back catalogue is rich with wrongness.
      
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      December 8, 2018 7:49pm
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, of which the former President Obama can larely take credit for,
  
  “There is a great irony that spans the presidential terms of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. President Bush, widely viewed as a Texas oil man, presided over eight straight years of declining U.S. crude oil production. In the year 2000, just before President Bush took office, U.S. crude oil production averaged 5.8 million barrels per day (bpd) according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA). During President Bush’s last year in office, 2008, U.S. crude oil production averaged 5.0 million bpd.
  
  The irony is that President Obama – who is not viewed as a friend of the oil and gas industry – has presided over rising oil production in each of the seven years he has been in office. (On a separate note, expect that streak to be broken in 2016). From that low point in 2008, U.S. oil production has grown each year to reach 9.4 million bpd in 2015 — a gain of 88% during Obama’s presidency. This is in fact the largest domestic oil production increase during any presidency in U.S. history…”
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2016/01/15/president-obamas-petroleum-legacy/#3e96235dc10f
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:59am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Unless he personally dug the Wells I don’t see what Obama had to do with the increase in production.
    
    Ffs even Goebbals would would think twice about propaganda like that.
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      steffy girl is really stupid, Goebbels not at all stupid.
      
      Pretty sure ardern the liar is following the Goebbels playbook on obfuscation and deflection with complicit assistance from the adoring MSM.
      
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      December 8, 2018 11:28am
    - stephieboy
      
      harvey wilson , read the Forbes link I provided.
      
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      December 8, 2018 1:15pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Moron- there’s plenty of evidence showing how Obama stopped production on public land and supported stopping pipelines.
        The industry succeeded despite Obama.
        Your links just show production increasing not what Obama did to increase it.
        
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        December 8, 2018 1:42pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        You should read it too, stephie. Here are two paragraphs which apparently escaped your notice:
        
        But I think the other reason President Obama doesn’t spend more time beating the drum on this crude oil production surge is that it is readily apparent that it happened despite his administration, and not because of it. President Obama coincidentally happened to enter office just as the shale oil boom in the U.S. was getting started.
        
        In fact, the vast majority of the increase in U.S. oil production occurred on private land. On land that the U.S. government controls, it was a different story. The EIA reported in 2015 that while U.S. oil and gas production overall were surging, production of natural gas on federal lands was declining.
        
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        December 8, 2018 2:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Kiwi Dave
        That’s just classic Stephie. So many times his own links contradict his argument.
        He even says to others “read the link I’ve provided”!
        It’s just hilarious how dumb he is.
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    As previously noted, cut and paste is the only way you get your grammar close, although the “americanisms” give the game away a bit.
    
    Oil production has been and always will be tied to price and demand. Those concepts are bit deep for a idiot intern like yourself steffy girl but the only governments that have any affect in recent years, negative mind you, have been Venezuela and the dipshit ardern the liar.
    
    ardern is a liar
    
    steffy is a girl
    
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    December 8, 2018 11:26am
- KevOB
  
  After the USA has been putting the heat on others to cut production. Clever, but Qatar is pulling out of OPEC.
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:06am
JibberJabber

A feeble squirrel deflection from Cindys` lickspittle head cheerleader Watkins today,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/109178586/nationals-dilemma–can-someone-do-better-than-bridges
It is obvious Labours media are worried, I feel Simons display (cut short by Mallards bias) this week is a portent of things to come. Even if he is not PM come the next election National need the expertise in parliamentary interrogation he showed.

Tho` Garner has a rare moment of clarity,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/109007154/get-a-grip-nehe-or-get-yourself-a-new-gripe
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December 8, 2018 10:11am
- MrTips
  
  You try getting all of your OIA out of the PMs office on media communications. Slippery little buggers and the Ombudsmen is overloaded.
  
  I have time…..and the mindset.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:18pm
DigNap15

I wonder if Barry Sober and Tracey Watkins have seen this video

https://www.national.org.nz/labour_on_notice

I like Simon’s cool drumming
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December 8, 2018 10:29am
Morrissey

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RAT NEWS
No. 1: Rat found inside school vending machine

DELRAY BEACH (CBSMiami) – Oh rats, look what we found in the vending machine.

Some students at a Delray Beach high school said they lost their appetite after finding a rat crawling among the snacks in a vending machine.

A video circulating on social media shows a rat inside a vending machine at Atlantic Community High School.

Latoya Johnson said her daughter shot the footage which shows the rat climbing around inside a vending machine and coming in contact with packaged food.

The Palm Beach County School District confirms the incident happened on Tuesday.

A district spokesperson says the principal was immediately made aware and the vending machine was locked so students couldn’t use it.
The vending machine company was called right away. They sent out an exterminator who arrived later that day.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1377376-rat-found-inside-school-vending-machine/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb7u8qz2klU

RAT NEWS is a series devoted to all things rat, and is compiled by Serena Sopwith-Fotherington for Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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December 8, 2018 10:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:45am
- simpleton1
  
  Did the rat die like a sparrow?
  Or was it on a capture and release program?
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:29am
- MrTips
  
  What the hell was Obama doing in a vending machine?
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:20pm
  - geoff3012
    
    Looking for choppers.
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:58pm
- realityczech
  
  Mozzie – how about doing a series on the elitist sense of entitlement and dishonesty of the left?
  
  You can cover their sexual deviancy under existing categories.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:21pm
  - harvey wilson
    
    Any update on the groper section of your blog Morrisey?
    
    Unless you are incredibly dishonest you must admit Assange to belongs there .
    
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    December 8, 2018 3:38pm
Steve (North Shore)

It is Dec 7th today in Hawaii. Pearl Harbour, Honolulu, Dec 7th 1941.
RIP Sailors
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December 8, 2018 10:38am
cha

We will remember them

HONOLULU (Tribune News Service) — It’s extra noteworthy that Everett Hyland, who was aboard the USS Pennsylvania during Japan’s Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor, will return the salute of a passing Navy warship at Friday’s anniversary of the attack.

Hyland, 95, will do so on behalf of all Pearl Harbor survivors and World War II veterans as the ship sails by the sunken USS Arizona.

That salute will be extra poignant because there are fewer and fewer survivors to render it themselves.

For the first time in many years, not a single USS Arizona survivor will be present for the 7:50 a.m. 77th commemoration on the back lawn of the Arizona Memorial visitor center.

In total, 1,177 men were killed and more than 900 remained entombed in the battleship.

Just five crewmembers are still alive: Lauren Bruner, 98, Lonnie Cook, 98, Ken Potts, 97, Lou Conter, 97, and Don Stratton, 96. Old age and failing health prevented even a single Arizona survivor from making the lengthy trip to Oahu this year.

https://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/with-five-uss-arizona-crewmembers-remaining-it-s-twilight-for-pearl-harbor-survivors-1.559207
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December 8, 2018 10:41am
kowtow

The diversity dividend , the gift that keeps on giving.
Melbourne , again.

‘Noori came to Australia from Afghanistan as a refugee in 2004 and is now an Australian citizen.’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/07/flinders-street-car-attack-driver-saeed-noori-pleads-guilty-to
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December 8, 2018 10:42am
- Manolo
  
  It could be worse, the savage could have come to lovely Mt Roskill. 🙂
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:23am
secondcumming

Our 4 year-old was struggling to open his yogurt lid this morning and we heard him mumble, “Fucking shitty lid”

My missus immediately looked at me and said, “I wonder where he got that from?”

I replied, “Out of the fucking fridge, you stupid bitch”
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December 8, 2018 11:00am
- VicParking
  
  Sorry had to down tick you my partner is reading over my shoulder. She who hast to be obeyed
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:15am
cha

It’s gone 5.00pm EST, and tens of thousands of Deep State traitors still roam free.

#TheStorm
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December 8, 2018 11:11am
- Jules99
  
  Q has been wrong many times before. He’s a talented researcher, but not an insider or working with Trump sadly. I wish he was but his ‘proofs’ don’t look like proof to me.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:10pm
kowtow

The illegals will have to find another ferry service.

‘MSF ship Aquarius ends migrant rescues in Mediterranean’

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46477158
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December 8, 2018 11:11am
- Manolo
  
  Yes, Italians are fed up with the number of illegal immigrants, part of an uncontrolled African invasion.
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:42am
  - DigNap15
    
    So am I, and I don’t even live there!
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:23pm
- Jules99
  
  This is the boat that Lauren Southern was involved in exposing as colluding with traffickers. The same Lauren Southern who Phil Goff thought had views that were ‘repugnant’ and that activists BULLIED out of NZ.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:08pm
Fletch

re: the post yesterday about govt taking over schooling – there’s also an article in today’s weekend Herald with principals rightly calling it Stalinist.

Battle lines are drawn over a proposed radical shake-up of the education system which has brought excited praise from liberals but condemnation as “Stalinist” from more traditional schools.

“This is a big, bold and brave move from the taskforce and we welcome it,” said NZ Educational Institute president Lynda Stuart. “We are excited by the opportunities.”

But Auckland Grammar School headmaster Tim O’Connor said the report, by a taskforce led by former principal Bali Haque, “needs to be resisted at all costs”.

“It is a serious attack on state education and on every child’s life chances. We’ll just have to work to ensure that it doesn’t proceed,” he said.

Avondale College principal Brent Lewis said a proposal to transfer all the legal responsibilities of school boards of trustees from elected boards to appointed regional hubs was “real Stalinist stuff”.

The taskforce would reverse key changes made in the last big reforms known as “Tomorrow’s Schools” in 1989, when regional education boards were abolished and every school was given control of its operations budget and staff appointments.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12173227

The report is open for public submissions until April 7 –

https://conversation.education.govt.nz/conversations/tomorrows-schools-review/whats-next/
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December 8, 2018 11:15am
- KevOB
  
  More hui fui.The middle school proposals have been rejected several times previously.
  
  Stalinist? Uncle Joe knew where he was going. The head of Committee is from Pakistan although he may have been schooled in NZ.
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Bali Haque… born in Pakistan, but raised and educated in England.
    
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    December 8, 2018 4:33pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Everything that man has ever said about education is rubbish. Why does he get these high profile jobs?
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It would be easy to get into the trenches and debate proposal by proposal on this report. That’s probably the intention.
  
  The correct approach in my view is to ask this. Do we want less parental choice and reduced community contribution in the running of schools, instead opting for more centralised control and reduced accountability?
  
  If the answer is yes then the report should be substantially implemented.
  
  If the answer is no, the the entire report should be discarded.
  
  I’m not saying our education industry doesn’t need change. It does. Desperately. But the type of change it needs isn’t going to come from central planning coupled with reduced parental participation and reduced choice.
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  Apparently Fletch according to an unanimous leaker it was pushed out from April 1st. Because that has been earmarked to be the official SLG day.
  
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  December 9, 2018 4:05am
RW Capitalist

I was writing my Christmas list that you can all club together and buy for me.
But then just thought well.
Pretty much anything large, expensive and fast, that you can park out front of my house…should be fine.
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December 8, 2018 11:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Silly thing RWC,
  
  Tell us you’ve set up a Give-a-little Page, because you’ve been bullied all your life and you hate living on the streets trying to score a few meth hits/day.
  And you just want to buy a few Christmas presents for your 17 children, 35 mokopuna and 3 dogs.
  
  —-you’ll have your shiny new e-bike in no time.
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:45am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Come on…don’t be tight
    I have decided, considering we have a Labour govt
    I’d change my philosophy to:
    What’s yours is mine
    and
    Whats mine is …..my own.
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:45pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The unprojected increase in your rates fits that description nicely
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:50pm
- Tall Man
  
  ardern the liar leaving QT.
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Queensland Premier in denial about Forest Fuel Loads and Bush fires

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/07/queensland-bushfires-palaszczuk-blasts-morrison-government-over-land-clearing-inquiry

Exactly same reason California went up in smoke last month

https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mountain-rethinking-forest-management-sierra-nevada
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December 8, 2018 11:40am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, things a bit more complex than that as the climate change debate continues.
  
  The Lib National State government was responsible for the rampant clear felling of forests which now is implicated in the fires,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/05/alarming-rise-in-queensland-tree-clearing-as-400000-hectares-stripped
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    Plus California fires and Climate change,
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/12/california-fires-latest-what-is-happening-climate-change-trump-response-explained
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Building a township in the middle of a coniferous forest in California was always a dangerous thing to do.
      Having only one road out was criminal.
      Having no firebreaks between the town and the forest was criminal.
      Locating a mobile home park in the midst of the forest was unbelievable.
      
      https://globalnews.ca/news/4680573/paradise-california-before-after-fire/
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:12pm
      - cha
        
        They knew it was coming.
        
        “Nobody would have ever thought this could happen,” President Donald Trump said while touring the Camp Fire devastation Saturday.
        
        That’s not true. The Camp Fire was inevitable. It is the event that so many dreaded for so long.
        
        People prepared. Fire prevention officials planned. They drilled. They worked with homeowners. They invented fire-safe councils and Fire on the Ridge and sent fire prevention officials to schools via a program called Fire Pals. They raised money to keep fire lookouts open when the state said it wouldn’t.
        
        Eventually, geography and topography proved to be the trap everyone thought it was.
        
        https://www.chicoer.com/2018/11/17/editorial-camp-fire-the-tragedy-we-were-all-warned-about/
        
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        December 8, 2018 4:48pm
    - KevOB
      
      That same problem affected Sydney’s Blue Mountains. Trees shed natural fire attractants.
      People with money like these areas, pleasant and cooler, but fire travels faster than people.
      
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      December 8, 2018 4:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are confused again, stephieboy.
    
    Forest management of standing dead wood, clearing excess build-up of exotic dry grasses, controlled burn-offs, and organising firebreaks are not the same things as the whole-sale destruction of Forest ecosystems that are converted to pasture/grazing lands.
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:03pm
    - realityczech
      
      Stupidboy thinks, floods, fires, wind, waves, weather etc are man made. He also believes none of these things existed under the dark years of the Obama regime.
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        According to data from the US Forest Service Fires have decreased over time by about 80%
        https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/figure16-1-2-1.jpg
        
        This report in February recommending better Forest Management was ignored…
        https://lhc.ca.gov/sites/lhc.ca.gov/files/Reports/242/Report242.pdf
        “. Proactive forest management practices recommended by the Commission gradually will rebuild healthy high-country forests that store more water, resist new insect infesta ons and check the speed and intensity of wildêres. Investing upfront to create these healthier forests will pay dividends in the long run by curbing the spiraling costs of state êreêgh ng and tree removal while building stronger recrea on and spor ng economies in the Sierra Nevada. Forests largely restored to the less crowded natural condi ons of centuries ago ñ through greater use of prescribed burning to replace unilateral policies of êre suppression and mechanical thinning to remove buildup of forest fuels ñ also will improve wildlife habitat, enhance environmental quality and add to the resilience of mountain landscape’
        
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        December 8, 2018 1:25pm
Lance

Good to see the working poor at Air NZ going on strike for a living wage.
$180K pa just doesn’t buy what it used to.

So how to spin this so it doesn’t contradict Cindy’s claim that there would be no strikes under her watch… hmmm?
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December 8, 2018 11:41am
- waikatogirl
  
  And striking right on Christmas. Apparently, the union has said it is not intended to annoy the travelling public. What do the union reckon the public will think????!!! ?
  
  What do you say Cindy?
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:28pm
- itstricky
  
  So how to spin this so it doesn’t contradict Cindy’s claim that there would be no strikes under her watch
  
  Sigh. Because she didn’t claim there would be no strikes (that would be a bet that no one could make). She claimed there would be no additional strikes that were specifically enacted due to the specific legislation changes they proposed making during their campaign. Sigh.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:21pm
  - waldonz
    
    Spin, spin. spin. You’re full of it.
    
    You should play for the Black Caps. You would be their best ever spinner.
    
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    December 8, 2018 3:58pm
  - starboard
    
    “She claimed there would be no additional strikes”
    
    Are you serious ! ??
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    
    What a winner, bro.
    
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    December 8, 2018 5:12pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This is excellent news. Having managed a strike, Luxton will have more commercial experience, which he can use telling small businesses how to succeed.
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:17pm
kowtow

The outrage industry in full flow.

‘Fairytale ending: Shane MacGowan explains ‘faggot’ reference in Christmas song
Singer addresses controversy over reference in Pogues Christmas song’

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/fairytale-ending-shane-macgowan-explains-faggot-reference-in-christmas-song-1.3723622
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December 8, 2018 11:51am
- Longknives
  
  The perennially outraged Left are censoring Pogues’ songs now are they?
  Shit they are gonna be busy..
  
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  December 8, 2018 11:58am
- Jules99
  
  And here’s me thinking it was a tasty meat product: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:01pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Walk into a restaurant and say “I would like a faggot”
    That’s really going to trigger a snowflake LOL
    
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    December 8, 2018 12:18pm
    - sam green
      
      No. But if you walked up to the gay boy behind the counter and called him a faggot I’d hit you myself. Then you’d be triggered.
      
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      December 8, 2018 12:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        Spam – Did you just threaten someone with violence because you don’t like a word?
        
        I bet you beat the shit out of your poor wife !
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:32pm
      - sam green
        
        Yes and no. Did you just condone bullying?
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        Just a little jab to the face then – if she says a wrong word.
        
        Bitches gotta learn eh?
        
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        December 8, 2018 12:42pm
      - sam green
        
        Trolls gotta troll.
        
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        December 8, 2018 1:36pm
      - starboard
        
        green sam condones violence.
        
        green sam is a stooooopid boy.
        
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        December 8, 2018 2:54pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Go fuck yourself slam
        
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        December 8, 2018 4:37pm
      - sam green
        
        Please – after you.
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:49pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  These PC wankers need to get a life. Soon people will not be allowed to burp or fart in case they offend a fucking snowflake
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:15pm
  - stigie
    
    Bit late Steve, they already don’t !~
    
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    December 8, 2018 2:08pm
  - itstricky
    
    in case they offend a fucking snowflake
    
    What about if the snowflake, in turn, triggers a poor old raving anti-PC snowflake?
    
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    December 8, 2018 3:23pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      They would not have the balls. You can go fuck yourself too – with slam queen
      
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      December 8, 2018 5:46pm
      - sam green
        
        Wassamatter? Triggered much?
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:51pm
      - sam green
        
        I love the way you call people names when they don’t agree with you. It’s the “ poo you smell” style of debate. Go you.
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:53pm
      - starboard
        
        ” I’d hit you myself.”
        
        green sam is a violent bully. He wants to hit people.
        green sam probably beats his family.
        cyps and the police should investigate green sam.
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:54pm
      - sam green
        
        Way ya go starboard. Build your silly narrative based on nothing. Hey – it’s the Kiwiblog way.
        
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        December 8, 2018 8:00pm
      - sam green
        
        Interestingly though starboard – I think you’re the kind of guy that would stick up for a ladyboy who was being bullied by someone – say someone like Steve(North Shore) if he was calling them faggots. I think you’d step up. Well done you.
        
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        December 8, 2018 8:08pm
      - realityczech
        
        Ignore Spam he has been all over the thread threatening to give people the bash etc.
        
        Looks like his wife has buggered off to her sisters so he has to pick on us instead. He’s home alone drinking and raging on the internet… until she returns!
        
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        December 8, 2018 8:14pm
      - sam green
        
        Woohoo – magical debate now.
        
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        December 8, 2018 8:17pm
Fletch

The Greenies are all worried about the number of fuel-powered cars being imported into NZ vs the number of electric cars.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/every-electric-vehicle-we-import-24-ford-rangers-car-fumes-nzs-top-emissions-problem-shaw

One person has posted a quote under the story on Facebook attributed to Michael Laws.

Okay, I’m going to try and explain climate change and carbon emissions from a NZ perspective, and I’m going to keep it simple – because there are many sincere people being taken in by the hysteria, but who will still benefit from Logic 101 being applied. Here goes … NZ is responsible for about 1/5th of 1% of all the world’s human generated carbon emissions. Roughly half of that 1/5th of 1% is due to livestock and is really beyond control unless you want to completely destroy the NZ economy. That leaves the 1/10th of 1% that is our collective contribution and with the animals removed. Seriously, that isn’t our problem and nothing, and I mean nothing we collectively do, will make a blind bit of difference to the world’s environment. Nothing. Here endeth the lesson.(MICHAEL LAWS)

I can take or leave Laws depending on the circumstances, but if this is his quote, he is dead-on.
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December 8, 2018 12:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Facts…who in the coalition will understand or care?
  
  “More for and less for you”. labour, watermelons and winston first mantra.
  
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  December 8, 2018 2:26pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    The COL just can’t understand anything – impossible.
    They know one thing, Tax and spend on themselves, their favourite commie projects
    
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    December 8, 2018 6:19pm
- KevOB
  
  Greens should be concerned about Hydrogen as fuel too. Hydrogen can only be produced from organics or water. To produce it from gas it produces CO2 or CO–the latter is dangerous to green’s health.
  The production from water is the only approved green method. However that takes electricity which has been collected via PV cells or air flow diminishing bird killers. Neither work full time.
  Our COL has recently given $950,000 to a Taranaki company to figure out how to exploit this marvelous saviour gas. No 1 all time Zeppelin remover.
  A decree may have been issued that all NZ long haul trucks are to be converted to run on that gas. As decisions are no longer Cabinet’s concern some asking around is required.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:43pm
MCos

“Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough.”
President Trump

He certainly doesn’t mince his words.
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December 8, 2018 12:07pm
- All_on_Red
  
  “That’s the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want.”
  
  -BarackObama February 10, 2014
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Wed,
    
    Source that please.otherwise safe to assume you just made it all up!
    
    Sigh!
    
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    December 8, 2018 1:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Look it up your self you dirty little turd
      
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      December 8, 2018 1:45pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Your assumption that others are as deeply corrupt as your adored leader is truly pathetic as is your general knowledge of the world.
      
      Just because your adored adern the liar hasn’t said it doesn’t mean it isn’t true because what generally comes out of her mouth is complete and utter bullshit because
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 8, 2018 2:22pm
    - Pascal
      
      Was in 2014, during a visit with French President Francois Hollande in Charlottesville.
      
      Get off your lazy arse and Google for yourself.
      
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      December 8, 2018 3:04pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      otherwise safe to assume you just made it all up!
      
      It was when Obama was with the President of France walking in the grounds of Monticello.
      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/02/10/obama_the_good_thing_as_president_i_can_do_whatever_i_want.html
      
      Why do you always think that folks on KB are making things up, stephieboy?
      
      It’s not something anyone who knows their way around search engines is likely to do.
      
      Isn’t it about time you dropped this rather pathetic habit?
      
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      December 8, 2018 3:48pm
- backster
  
  Speaker Pelosi will be initiating a long complex expensive enquiry into such bullying.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:00pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Anyone would think she has the same power as the duck
    
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    December 8, 2018 6:23pm
kowtow

Tying in with the post by Karl du Fresne on journalism as advocacy , this is stuff’s view at the end of an item about South Dunedin , an area the local council considers is ripe for “climate evacuation”

“Stuff accepts the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and caused by human activity. We welcome robust debate about the appropriate response to climate change, but do not intend to provide a venue for denialism or hoax advocacy. That applies equally to the stories we will publish in Quick! Save the Planet and to our moderation standards for reader comments.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/109086080/floodprone-south-dunedins-future-depends-on-science-not-propaganda
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December 8, 2018 12:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So much easier to blame climate warming than DCC admit their forefathers shoved the poor and working class of Dunedin onto a swamp and over the last 100 years or so the Council has done bugger all to improve their environment.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:19pm
  - geoff3012
    
    South Dunedin has been like this for over a century…grandparents lived there since late 40’s and were constantly flooded. I had a rental in close by St Kilda in late 70’s and it seemed to be a constant job to build your section up higher than your neighbours.
    
    Also I have been told that excess flood waters were pumped out to sea thru sewerage system but was stopped after new outflow was constructed and fines DCC would have to pay from prosecutions from environment breaches.
    
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    December 8, 2018 1:16pm
    - backster
      
      Kapiti also experiences flooding in some areas after heavy rain. The mayor has explained it is due to blocked drains. The reason the drains are blocked is because eco reports and Iwi consultation is required before any drain connecting to a waterway can be cleared at a cost of up to $50,000 before work can commence.
      
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      December 8, 2018 3:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW , certainly not the pseudo-science of Christopher Monckton, James Delingpole, Anthony Watts etc, etc.
    
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    December 8, 2018 1:24pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Heh, you’re really jealous how Monckton is better looking that you eh
      Lol
      
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      December 8, 2018 1:46pm
    - KevOB
      
      You can’t distinguish a mathematician from a capable journalist or meteorologist?
      
      The mathematician has busted the UNIPCC.
      
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      December 8, 2018 3:24pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  So in other words “we will not allow any scientific debate regardless of the veracity of any evidence contrary to our beliefs”.
  
  Do they seriously not recognise what that ideology is called?
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:01pm
- KevOB
  
  Quick save us from some stuff.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:29pm
KeaRea

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/men-should-give-wives-permission-infidelity-christmas/

Rosa Silverberg says men should let their wives cuckold them for Christmas. Let them cheat. It’s only fair. Because science.

Lol its not even a meme at this point.

I guarantee, every time, if it’s anti human and anti goodness and anti family it’s because you’ve been hit by an iceberg.

Anyway fine British media at its very best.
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December 8, 2018 12:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Can’t blame a girl for wanting a change from her pasty faced pom husband. The British men sold out their culture and handed in their balls years ago. I regard the UK as a failed state.
  
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  December 8, 2018 12:39pm
KeaRea

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/109057930/labour-may-be-preparing-to-shelve-major-tax-reform-but-is-it-really-last-chance-saloon

Lol the NZmedia man. They really want their 30million.

This whole article is a self reassurance that Labour really will impose an inheritance tax. You know, like the neutral journo doesn’t want.

Then there are multiple stories saying National are on the rocks at 46%

Then there is one calling for French style insurrection because of inequality in Nz and a wealth tax.

It didn’t used to be this bad. They’ve lost the plot.
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December 8, 2018 12:46pm
- Harriet
  
  Would anyone who receives a benefit from a deceased estate really vote for Labour at the next election, after having paid a considerable amount of tax at the most saddest time in their life – when someone very close has died? Dead people don’t gift money to strangers directly. Charities do it for them. Now the government wants to by law.
  And besides people will then cut back on charitable donations, so as their children receive more and the government is now being ‘charitable’ with their taxes.
  
  I don’t think it will be introduced into law – 10% of $1.5million [which is not unreasonable in a lot of wills in the foreseeable future] is $150k. 20% is $300k. 20% of $3million is $600k!!!!!!
  
  And it’s not only a matter of the deceased being ‘wealthy’ but how poor are the beneficiaries of the will? – how does the government know that they would not be better off with the tax instead?
  
  Poor people are not going to like this tax as much as the rich won’t.
  
  And why should bludgers and public service troughers be entitled to a dead citizens money, after having spent their entire lifetime so far having already lived of it?
  
  This is simply a case of Labour – and possibly National also – WRITING THEMSELVES into EVERY citizens will! 😎
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think you need to go to this article…
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/national_would_repeal_capital_gains_tax
    
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    December 8, 2018 2:14pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Let’s get you into the Labour Party Harry. They are not very good at math. They struggle like Ocasio-Cortez. The difference between a billion$ and a trillion$ is only 3 zeros. Since zeros have no value, there is no extra cost. No shit, she said that.
    
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    December 8, 2018 6:30pm
Tom Barker

Self-described neo-Nazi convicted of first-degree murder at Unite the Right rally last year.
Trump – “There are very fine people on both sides.” Will he offer a presidential pardon?
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December 8, 2018 1:11pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Well that’s a nice mischaracterisation of Trumps comment but hardly surprising from a dissembling c**t like you.
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red,
    
    “That’s the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want.”
    
    ???
    
    First, begin by sourcing the above.
    
    What is the payoff for you be relentlessly abusing?
    
    Standard stuff over the dinner table?
    
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    December 8, 2018 1:21pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Google is your friend:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUhykHLjT6M
      
      The source is a bloke named Obomber
      
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      December 8, 2018 1:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        steffy girl doesn’t have any friends and she has certainly shown the Google is beyond her.
        
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        December 8, 2018 2:03pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stephie you hypocrite
      You’re the biggest abuser on here- everyday.
      What do you talk about at your Dinner table- ha Porn links and perving eh.
      
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      December 8, 2018 1:49pm
    - Tall Man
      
      How about you depart asap then we don’t have to see the fine examples of immature stupidity you seem unable to resist posting and you don’t have to be disappointed that the rest of us on here see you for the immature sycophantic girl you really are.
      
      You try to profess a concerned attitude to many things but are then unable to refrain from resorting to type and posting a pile of drivel..
      
      ardern is a liar
      
      steffy is a girl
      
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      December 8, 2018 2:01pm
KeaRea

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/12/on-knowledge-of-god-part-i.html?m=1

This is such a brilliant rebuttal of the adage that an omnipotent, omniscient, compassionate God must necessarily be a sadist because bad things happen to good people.

It’s the old problem of the incompatibility of divine characteristics commonly used by Dawkins et al. Namely an omniscient God must know ahead of time what he will do and can’t change it which means he isn’t omnipotent.

There is no biblical basis for active omniscience, only capacity, and omnipotence does not entail micro management.

Possession is not synonymous with use. “Knowledge really is power” per Daniel Dennett is wrong. Knowledge is knowledge. Power is power. Capacity doesn’t entail action. Even George R R Martin knows this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6GyR_5N6c

The scene where Circe delineates the difference for Littlefinger.

But the deliberate category error is the basis of almost everything Sam Harris and Dennett assert.

The point is, the two concepts are not incompatible.

The crux of it is technical but ill just quote:

“If one accepts the hypothesis that God is bound by logic and thereby imagines a God possessing qualities of tantiscience and tantipotence equating to omniscience and omnipotence minus the amount of knowledge and power required to avoid conflicting with the logical incompatibility, one is still left with a God whose theoretical capabilities are sufficient to fulfill all of the various claims about His knowledge and power made in His Word. Morever, from the human perspective, this logically acceptable tantiscient God would be completely indistinguishable from the omniscient one.”

Tantiscient and Tantipotent captures the idea of capacity and possession of omnipotence and omniscience without the logical contradiction. Base on the fact 87 times in the Bible are references to God’s limited knowledge. Only once is he described as all knowing in John. But that is only for final judgement – of what is in the human heart. That is the ‘minus the power and knowledge required to preclude the logical contradiction’ bit.

Whether one agrees or not the formulation is brilliant. The premises are realistic and he has simply communicated the solution based on those premises. This is what the west is. Not ‘cuckold and cheat on your husband’s on xmas idiot goy wamen lol xxxoo love Silverberg ?”

No wonder no atheist will ever debate this man. Especially a charlatan from the intellectual dork web. Gosh wouldn’t it be just awful to have a society where such discourse was common and respected and vapable of being understood. Nah, better to cancel Christmas and…. Have diverse cuisine… One can cook themselves… Because of the ‘internet’.

Anyway findings of the day.
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December 8, 2018 1:35pm
- Swifty
  
  Sorry, which man won’t any athiest debate?
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:01pm
- realityczech
  
  Which “god” Thor or Vishnu ?
  
  Does he also write about the tooth fairy and father christmas?
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:06pm
- rangitoto
  
  So he’s proposing an omni-lite god. Can we have chips with that?
  
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  December 8, 2018 8:32pm
Colville

If you want a laugh…look at the image on this link.

Winnie and the “poos” standing in a line.

Now tell me what is wrong with Winnie?

(actually just tell me how high the box is he is standing on)

https://www.nzfirst.org.nz/new_zealand_first_celebrates_passing_of_employment_relations_bill?fbclid=IwAR13LxA–jEyfqEO8YT6a-O-gho0aQvwbbNBpRTEBnklab0cuEz33zJPqzQ
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December 8, 2018 1:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  What a childish little man he is. His ego has always been his weak point and will be again.
  
  I don’t he is standing on a box, he is standing on the casket that holds remains of our democracy.
  
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  December 8, 2018 1:54pm
  - KeaRea
    
    Winston signing on to the UN Compact on Migration means he actually is a traitor, not just to his entire vote base, but to New Zealand.
    
    It’s hard actually to think of a more profound, more grave, more contemptuous betrayal of everything and everyone, not just in New Zealand but in world political history.
    
    It’s vastly worse then Benedict Arnold. It’s worse then Vidkun Quisling. It’s right up there with Jeff Flake.
    
    Arnold was betrayed and treated with manifest injustice by Washington and the Continental Congress. Vidkun Quisling collaborated and changed the governing mechanics but not the essential quality of his nation, based on real politik.
    
    This is something altogether different. He’s going to change the character of a jurisdiction and the essence of it’s people forever.
    
    Winston is a traitor of the most yellow and vile character. He couldn’t hold a shoe-shine box to Benedict Arnold. His betrayal is much more insidious. He will go down as the most worthless politician in the history of New Zealand. His only legacy will be a bus card and giving New Zealand sovereignty over to the Islamic Federations and Islamic Councils, ending New Zealand’s free speech, making the ‘human rights’ commission the most powerful institution in the country and bloating our government with foreign bureaucracies.
    
    And clearly, still, I’m the only person who has read the fricken document and understood it because the aspiration is to turn national super into an international voucher. And that can and will be justiciable, and a court can enforce that right. So he’s going to destroy national superannuation. Because once it can be claimed from Egypt, and there is no mechanism for any preventative collective action whatsoever pertaining to migration as this document states – what recourse is there?
    
    Who hasn’t he betrayed? That’s literally the entire spectrum of his supporters.
    
    There has to be a word that’s worse then a ‘Quisling’. Let’s call it a ‘Peters’.
    
    National can end NZ First over this. End them. And take 3-5% from Labour.
    
    Why aren’t they?
    
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    December 8, 2018 2:32pm
    - KeaRea
      
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      December 8, 2018 3:26pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I have always maintained that the only thing Winston deserves is a jacket. As in Copper. Fucking slime ball cunt.
      
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      December 8, 2018 4:01pm
- realityczech
  
  I am surprised you disagree with this. You must be very far left.
  
  ____________________
  
  “This legislation looks out for small and regional businesses. New Zealand First has always advocated for these groups and they were at the forefront of our minds throughout the discussions.
  
  “We are particularly pleased that we secured the 90 day trial for small businesses with under 20 employees. Removing the trial period would have been a blow for them,” said Mr Mitchell.
  
  Other significant modifications to the Bill include the ability for businesses to choose not to opt in to a Multi-Employer Collective Agreement (MECA), which will prevent the cost structures of big cities from being imposed on businesses in the regions. As well as this important amendment, the Bill now requires consent from an employer for union delegates to access a workplace, in circumstances where union members are not covered by, or bargaining for, a collective agreement.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:50pm
- krazykiwi
  
  He’s not standing on a box. Here’s the source image. He has positioned himself between the two shortest NZF MP’s, and closer to the camera to increase his relative size.
  
  At least a still image doesn’t capture his slurring.
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:27pm
- lifesgood
  
  Hilarious.
  
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  December 8, 2018 6:46pm
KeaRea

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9szldJEzD5U&t=304s

Stannis and ‘the lord of light’ and Melisandre arc was so blatantly Luciferian and Satanic. But his theme was good. I hope they play particularly the sub theme for the attack on kings landing when the mass deportations start in Europe and the United States.

In the end, they shall bend the knee. We will not be ruled by women and children and usurpers.
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December 8, 2018 1:55pm
- realityczech
  
  Yet we are ruled by them as we write.
  
  Allowing women the vote is a failed social experiment that has benefited no one.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:52pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Enough already of your misogynist tripe.
    
    Allowing ill-informed people who haven’t passed some basic tests to prove their comprehension of policies is a failed social experiment.
    
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    December 8, 2018 7:06pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109198219/armed-police-called-to-rural-canterbury-town-after-incident-involving-gun

Cops called to Oxford because a gun was seen in a car.

WTF? It’s a farming town. Heaps of guns. Last time I drove through there I had 6 guns in the car and probably close to 1000 rounds of ammo: 308, 223, 22 and 12ga.
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December 8, 2018 3:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Did you notice how it was breathlessly described as an incident involving a gun?
  
  It is perfectly legal for a man to have a gun in a car, or a box of cabbages.
  
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  December 8, 2018 3:42pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Probably his 4 year old son’s water pistol. It has happened before
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:42pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’m beginning to see why Charleton Heston is almost regarded as a saint in certain parts of the US! 🙂
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:51pm
- cha
  
  Ten days ago a bloke in Darfield was seen with a firearm, too.
  
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  December 8, 2018 4:54pm
  - realityczech
    
    I saw policeman at the airport with a gun. I wonder who he intended to gun down?
    
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    December 8, 2018 4:56pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I’m almost certain I noticed a suspicious bulge in the armpit of that chap with the earphone that stands far too closely to Jacinda cha. I hope he gets his quack to check him out for lymphoma before its too late! 🙂
    
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    December 8, 2018 4:59pm
    - realityczech
      
      Noooooooo that’s different. Leftist government goons are allowed guns.
      
      Cause you know… no socialist government ever used guns to harm it’s people.
      
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      December 8, 2018 5:01pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Exceptions were made for real patriots rc! 🙂
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin
        Thank goodness the yanks have it enshrined in the constitution that pieces of shit like Clinton and O’Bummer cannot unilaterally disarm them! 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        “making him the most prolific official executioner and mass murderer in recorded world history.”
        
        The left always produce such colourful characters.
        
        I mean I liked John Key, but he was hardly as interesting as Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:09pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Unfortunately poor Bill was even less interesting than JK hence the shit we find ourselves in now! 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        I liked Bill but had to stop voting National due to them turning the public service into a state run propaganda machine. I saw through the very slick marketing and could not vote for them anymore.
        
        Nothing against Bill English. He looks even better now doesn’t he? 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Johnboy, your hallucinating has, at last, got the better of you!
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:16pm
    - Longknives
      
      Surely Jacinda doesn’t have Police Protection?
      Jacinda openly detests Police!
      And everyone loves our beloved Socialist Princess- Why would she need a bodyguard?
      
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      December 8, 2018 5:49pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Keep her dipshit baby father in line maybe.
        
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        December 8, 2018 5:53pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Lomgknives,
        
        “Jacinda openly detests Police!”
        
        ????
        
        Garbage as per usual!
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:42pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Bodyguard counts how many lawnmowers bought and SOLD
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:43pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Prob covered in bubble wrap and duct tape. Got to call daddy sergeant before he can get out his box knife and unwrap it. He has the earphone to whisper instructions from H1
      
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      December 8, 2018 6:41pm
      - stephieboy
        
        APathetic! As if anybody outside the alt-right KB ” bubble wrap” bubble chamber actually cares.
        
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        December 8, 2018 6:43pm
Longknives

Sorry I think I accidentally reported Realityczech there!

I was never a fan of Bill English- He did an excellent job as Finance Minister but Blind Freddy could see he wasn’t an inspiring leader….
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December 8, 2018 5:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  I’m not sure an inspiring leader is a requirement especially if you have a good team and they are all on the same page.
  
  ardern the liar is inspiring to some, especially those with rose goggles on and she is certainly not a good leader. She’s not really a good anything except a typical self centered left wing politician.
  
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  December 8, 2018 5:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    she is a grate leader!
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      *great
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cheese grater gloryhole…
        Chomp chomp chomp
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:33pm
cmm

Kiwibuild boss bails out.

He bailed out over a month ago, but it was all kept hush hush. Nice and transparent eh?

Oh dear just got oh dearer!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/109196487/kiwibuild-chief-executive-stephen-barclay-has-resigned

Does the Department of Tree Mulching also have a CEO?
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December 8, 2018 6:36pm
- starboard
  
  “Collins was surprised there had been no announcement, and said it was total nonsense for the Government to hide behind operational issues.”
  
  One member hid behind a pillar..bwhahahha !
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:48pm
  - sooty
    
    The hidding hyphen, Slease!
    The media have been told, do not release any photos.
    In the day of so many cellphones. How come nothing?
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:26pm
lifesgood

Sadly that missing English girl has been murdered. What a terrible thing for her and her family. BUT why, in heaven’s name, would a 22 year old girl go to the apartment of a man she has just met late on a Saturday night? Surely her parents would have talked to her about keeping safe and being street wise. Is sex that important that you lose your life over it? I doubt very much she was going to look at his etchings.
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December 8, 2018 6:42pm
- Tall Man
  
  Teach your daughters commonsense and how to defend themselves…totally defend themselves.
  
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  December 8, 2018 6:50pm
  - lifesgood
    
    And not go to a strangers apartment late at night. It’s plain common sense FFS.
    
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    December 8, 2018 6:51pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Perhaps she thought the most dangerous part of the journey was South America and she got a little too complacent here? It was foolish of her regardless as almost nowhere is truly safe for a tourist.
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I hear having coffee at St Lukes can expose young girls to creepy men.
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:36pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Some psychopaths can be very charming. Do you remember Bundy in the US. He murdered a lot of women. He good looking, charming and confident. He could pick up woman better than most but got his kicks out of sadism and murder.
  
  I say full marks to the police. It is up to them what they make public at this stage.
  
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  December 8, 2018 8:42pm
- realityczech
  
  “BUT why, in heaven’s name, would a 22 year old girl go to the apartment of a man she has just met late on a Saturday night? ”
  
  This happens thousands of times on a Saturday night without incident. You know dam well why she went there.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:35pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Of course I know why she went there, you don’t have to tell me I “know damn well”. It doesn’t stop it being stupid.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:57pm
    - realityczech
      
      She was being human not stupid.
      
      We can safely assume she did not expect to be harmed and that should be your focus.
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:02pm
realityczech

This is the regime the filthy animal Obama and his vile Saudi friends want to destroy.

You have been fed a diet of lies.

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It is generally believed that among the Arab regimes Syria is the most implacable enemy of Israel. This is a misperception. In fact, the Syrian regime is the only one which actually prefers – both practically and ideologically – that there be a Jewish state in the Middle East, both now and in the future.

Since the 1960s, Syria has been controlled by the Alawites, under the leadership of the Assad family. In order to understand the workings of the Syrian regime, therefore, it is necessary to better understand the Alawites – a highly distinctive non-Muslim sect with no theological or territorial objections to a Jewish state.

The Alawites’ religious beliefs suggest that they are pro-Jewish and anti-Sunni.

They believe in reincarnation, regard the Pillars of Islam as purely symbolic, do not fast during Ramadan or make pilgrimage to Mecca, have no mosques or indeed any public worship, celebrate Christmas, Easter and Epiphany, and traditionally wear crosses like Christians. In all of these respects they differ not only from Sunnis but also from Shiites.

Persecuted as heretics by the dominant Muslims, the Alawites took refuge in the mountains of northwestern Syria, where they maintained a precarious autonomy.

https://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/the-alawites-and-israel/
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December 8, 2018 6:43pm
Shaun the Sheep

Read between the Santa Lines
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow

http://www.sparknz.co.nz/news/naughty-or-nice/
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December 8, 2018 6:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  Was she one of his “hundreds of successful relationships”. The bimbo that set this up?
  
  FFS, punish them…
  
  What a media whore this guy is. At least Sir John Key’s wife had some class, this tosser is just as much a bottom feeder as ardern the liar.
  
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  December 8, 2018 6:54pm
  - Longknives
    
    My God that guy is an asswipe!
    Is it me or has his Gargantuan ego got even bigger since he realised Mike Bush will run defence for him??
    
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    December 8, 2018 6:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps security let him play with their firearms.
      
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      December 8, 2018 7:05pm
      - Longknives
        
        Mate I move in a Professional circle where I meet a lot of Cops- Fair to say they are not quite as gushing about Clarke’ The World is Watching me’ Gayford as the Woman’s Day mags…
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Longknives..I hear you.
        
        It is a shame they are professional and discreet.
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:30pm
- niggly
  
  Shit, surely this chap will need his own Publicist, PA and Accountant by now to manage his publicity, bookings and all the $$$$ that must be rolling in from all directions, being a Celebrity in-demand etc!
  
  If Alison Mau can charge $30K to attend a 2 day Labour conference, surely Corporates like Spark (and no doubt others now in the queue) must be paying this chap 5-6 figures per campaign!
  
  Didn’t this chap say to the media earlier in the year “that he has hit the jackpot”? Surely never in this chap’s wildest dreams did he ever expect this “jackpot” to be getting bigger and bigger and bigger! 😉
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:08pm
  - realityczech
    
    He is untouchable. He has the government, police, diplomatic protection squad, media and a team of high priced lawyers watching over him.
    
    No expense has been spared to maintain the myth.
    
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    December 8, 2018 7:14pm
    - Longknives
      
      Dead right realityczech! And I know of a truckload of people with ‘stories’ about this character- But have been warned to keep their traps shut..
      
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      December 8, 2018 7:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Speak out and you will have the full apparatus of the State against you.
        
        The corruption and targeting of individuals goes even deeper with this regime than it did during the dark years of Clark.
        
        For the sake of yourself, and your family, it is best not to share.
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:21pm
    - niggly
      
      RC – Yes, and although he hasn’t needed to do so yet, no doubt “Uncle Winston” is on stand-by to defend, deflect and attack anyone should those you name above require a more “aggressive public statement” to be issued!
      
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      December 8, 2018 7:18pm
      - sooty
        
        Of course he’s on standby to protect the mouth piece he installed as PM. Otherwise he would miss out on all the baubles and kickbacks!
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:18pm
    - nasska
      
      But fame has its price. I wouldn’t ride his Missus into battle! 🙂
      
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      December 8, 2018 7:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bullshit nasska you’ve done worse and gone back for seconds you old bugger.
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:23pm
      - nasska
        
        Not while there’s dogs on the street! 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:26pm
      - Longknives
        
        It always amuses me that Gayford spent years and years bragging what a ‘Stud’ he was and telling us of his hundreds of sexual conquests etc
        And he ends up with a woman that looks like an Anemic Mr Ed….
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Pretty sure Ardern has an eating disorder as a symptom of her mental illness. I also suspect she is a heavy user of prescription drugs.
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:42pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Yeah but he’s never had to do a proper days work since he sprogged her Lk! 🙂
        
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        December 8, 2018 7:43pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        Eeek. Sorry, RealityCzech. Didn’t mean to report you.
        
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        December 9, 2018 8:38pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Well, that is just cringe-worthy, or just plain vomit inducing. ?
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:30pm
- MrTips
  
  LOL. Snorty and Spice.
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:33pm
stephieboy

rc,” This is the regime the filthy animal Obama and his vile Saudi friends want to destroy.”

???

A “vile regime” that your President Trump continues to support and prop up with arms sales et,”

LOL!
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December 8, 2018 7:11pm
- realityczech
  
  Give him time stupidboy. He was busy ending the cold war Obama restarted and rebuilding diplomatic ties with all the many countries Obama wrecked relations with.
  
  Obama was an ignorant beast who’s only position was militaristic posturing. He was clearly advanced well beyond his abilities. Trump is a statesman respected by all.
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  New Zealand…this is the country where a lying dishonest corrupt tooth fairy has been elevated into a position well above her intellect by a money grubbing scumbag of a sexual deviant dwarf with a pocket full of dollars finessed from a few greedy corporates with a crooked activity to protect.
  
  Oh shit, that’s right, you only “hate” the countries ardern the liar tells you to hate and the sexual deviant holding her up to the country gives you the wets.
  
  How about you respond to some of the issues we have here rather than fuck about posting about scum bucket countries that have little to do with us.
  
  ardern is a liar
  
  steffy is a girl
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:43pm
stephieboy

“Trump is a statesman respected by all.”

???

Joking aside what has Trump done differently in respect to the Saudis that Obama hasn’t including military sales and aid?

And then there is the Ukraine,

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/18/ukraine-donald-trump-helsinki-vladimir-putin-russia-conflict
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December 8, 2018 7:21pm
- realityczech
  
  He is in a de-escalation phase, while talking from a position of strength.
  
  Although a violent and sadistic man, Obama was regarded as a wimp. Trump is seen as a strong man of intelligence and is greatly respected by the Chinese, Russians and others.
  
  Even radical Islam seems to have toned things down and race riots and mass killing of whites have not occurred as they did under Obama.
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  I know why you hate Trump..he keeps his promises unlike the turd you adore. adern is a liar and she has backtracked on all the important issues she raised during the election campaign.
  
  National prepared a manifesto..ardern the liar presented a bullshit sheet but hey steffy, it got you excited didn’t it.
  
  ardern is a liar
  
  steffy is a girl
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:45pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ardern is not a liar
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:42pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Lol
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:45pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      evidence please
      
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      December 8, 2018 10:09pm
Johnboy

This is utterly shocking news!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/109201182/aussie-bikie-gang-clubhouse-declared-restricted-premises-after-court-hears-alpaca-allegations
How the hell can any civilised chap shag an Alpaca? 🙂
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December 8, 2018 7:23pm
- realityczech
  
  “How the hell can any civilised chap shag an Alpaca?”
  
  Stupidboy is that halal?
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Only if you don’t tongue kiss it like jethro does.
    
    ardern..alpaca…similar teeth, maybe clarke went through a similar initiation.
    
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    December 8, 2018 7:47pm
- Longknives
  
  Speaks volumes of the sort of character who joins a Gang…
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:30pm
  - Tall Man
    
    A certain czech who has the ear of ardern the liar has a few stories to tell.
    
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    December 8, 2018 7:36pm
- nasska
  
  …..”“How the hell can any civilised chap shag an Alpaca?”…..
  
  A small step-ladder would be helpful! 🙂
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  Pretty sure they have a bit in common with “Look at Me Gayford”…you know…big front teeth.
  
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  December 8, 2018 7:34pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Yeah but they don’t have enormous arse’s like certain socialist wimmen do Tall man. 🙂
    
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    December 8, 2018 7:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Hard to stay trim living on the fat of the land….
      
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      December 8, 2018 7:49pm
      - sooty
        
        Ask stephie.
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  If I were in a gang I’d only shag real women.
  No guys and no animals.
  Unbelievable.
  Is that something to be proud of?
  
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  December 8, 2018 8:46pm
  - sooty
    
    Depends on what gang you are in!
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:09pm
MrTips

Anyone else notice that Nat party leaks of medium old stuff coincides with LuskOil and JLR going off the radar?
The latest is dated mid-Sept: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12173192
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December 8, 2018 8:16pm
- realityczech
  
  Well they sound like very popular policies. I would imagine they would appeal to most voters. Personally I am surprised they are so far left.
  
  However this leaking business is getting interesting. Someone is a traitor.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:31pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    What’s most interesting is where is Ardern? The media has been relentless on National – even though there is no real new news it has been a National Party squirrel fest. Maggie Barry attacked about nothing. Sopers bizarre article against Bridges. Now Simon wins the quote of the year for a stupid mistake. But where is our leader. I can’t remember the last time she was the front pic of the news. Where is she talking about the education working group. Where is she on the Migration Compact. Where is she on kiwibuild. Is she taking a mental health break and is the media trying to create diversions. Because it is now so biased against National it is weird.
    
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    December 9, 2018 8:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Gosh…
      don’t you know..
      she’s all over the latest Edition of the Australian Women’s Weekly (NZ Version)
      
      Enjoy:
      https://www.magshop.co.nz/the-australian-womens-weekly-nz
      
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      December 9, 2018 8:56pm
All_on_Red

This women looks familiar
Just can’t put my finger on who…
https://www.foxnews.com/us/mugshot-of-ohio-woman-with-unique-face-tattoos-goes-viral-after-walmart-shoplifting-arrest
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December 8, 2018 8:19pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Now if she had a face like an open piano would that give you a clue?
  
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  December 8, 2018 8:35pm
- MrTips
  
  Lol. Just like the surly faced actress they chose for the Emirates ad on TV. Surprised no one has commented by now.
  
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  December 8, 2018 10:01pm
  - MrTips
    
    Here: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/dK6H/emirates-upgrade-your-airline-economy-class
    
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    December 8, 2018 10:09pm
Viking2

More taxpayer money wasted on the useless.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/109171498/nz-on-air-fund-five-fresh-screen-projects-for-2019?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR2UjpXTm6bkadWYI32A1YZLRxLFHtVCIBE8CinWQ4FUpOoiXoWeRnGm7kU

Apparently Guy Williams is a comedian.
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December 8, 2018 8:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  Screws an MP doesn’t he….better than a gold mine
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:04pm
  - sooty
    
    Not worth as much as the Comrade.
    But money in the bank!
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:07pm
- All_on_Red
  
  His program is called Faux News?
  Has he heard the news about his girlfriend?
  Biiiig fake.
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:05pm
niggly

Crikey, that Spark campaign featuring Clarke Gayford has popped up as a full size banner advert at the top of the Metservice website!

What did I do to deserve that (is it related to my umm … browsing??) and does this mean he will also appear in Kiwiblog’s side ads soon??!!!

Anyway seriously, what happens during the next election campaign – will Mr Gayford’s publicity stunts be considered to be advertising for the Labour Party???

(Or even worse … would it be considered NOT to be advertising the NZLP and websites/social media will be awash with ads featuring Gayford)???? Arghhhhhh …… 😉
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December 8, 2018 9:01pm
- realityczech
  
  So is this paid political advertising, or is it free ( in return for certain favours from the government) ?
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:06pm
  - niggly
    
    Hmmmm, now that is a very good point … expect a Police HQ statement to be issued soon saying such political ads will be known as “public service announcements” and anyone who says otherwise will expect a letter from lawyers L.Clark & Associates advising them to stay silent or else!
    
    Remember peeps – this is all brought to you by NZ’s most transparent, “I don’t tell lies” and least corrupt government ever!
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:11pm
    - realityczech
      
      Shit I forgot about that ❗
      
      It will take me a while to adjust to the police state.
      
      I apologise for my allegation and on reflection I am sure the police will refuse to investigate any wrong doing, if it occurred, which I am not saying it did.
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:16pm
      - niggly
        
        It’ll be ok in this Police State as none of us will be alone … jails will soon be full soon (and Labour will actually build dozens more) to hold the 46% of the population that don’t support the COL!
        
        Oh and Kommissar Shaw will be very pleased and the Greens will support this affront to democracy … because then 46% of the nations cars will no longer be driving rampant burning fossil fuels plus added bonus, all the farmers will be locked up to so NO MORE COWS … a win for the environment, Comrades!
        
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        December 8, 2018 9:20pm
Jack5

China rolls the workers in our Deep South.

Labour’s chances of tipping National’s Sarah Dowie out of the Invercargill electorate seat have been set back.

This comes from Immigration clearance for the local farmer-cooperative meat processor, the Alliance, to bring in 100 workers from China. This, when according to the union, 700 Southlanders were turned away from jobs at the Alliance last season and now people aged 50 or more are being shut out of jobs there.

Alliance has a relationship with the Chinese firm Grand Farm, and has been bringing in a small number of boners from China to work at another of its plants.

So that use of Asian labour was just the beginning.

Dunedin-based Silver Fern Farms, the other of the big-two NZ meat processors, has sold a 50 per cent stake to a Chinese company, but still maintains it is an NZ co-operative.

The news of Alliance’s approval to bring in more Chinese workers came a week or so after Jacinderella, the Prime Minister, opened a $17 million expansion at the meat plant. That says it all.

Labour has long since become the party of the Leftist elite, rather than the party of working people.

Time for a new movement of the Left, interested in families and pay of working people, a movement that’s nationalistic and puts the country’s own people first.

It doesn’t seem like there’s anyone in NZ prepared to put up a fight against the sell-out of the country’s working people.

In Southland, the unions could start by stirring up locals to the local-body layabouts who have a plethora of free trips to China.

Get working people on to the councils, then get hold of the local Labour Party so the Invercargill candidate is a worker with fire in the belly. At the last election, Labour put up a Dunedin academic as Invercargill candidate.

Here’s a real Chinese political lesson for Southlanders, the Mao Tse-Tung version of an ancient Chinese saying: “The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
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December 8, 2018 9:40pm
- realityczech
  
  “bring in 100 workers from China. ”
  
  Tell me you are fucking kidding.
  
  “Time for a new movement of the Left, interested in families and pay of working people, a movement that’s nationalistic and puts the country’s own people first.”
  
  Here it is Jacksie:
  
  http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm
  
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  December 8, 2018 9:43pm
  - Jack5
    
    ? You’re teasing, ❗Kea❗Realityczech❗
    
    You and 卐EADolf have repeatedly implied that I am not genetically suitable for your world vision. So bugger both of you. Stuff your swastikas where the sun don’t shine.
    
    But you have to agree, Realityczech, that the working people are getting a rough deal from present NZ elected political parties.
    
    May I propose the ? Kea party to rescue the country … it would be a lot of fun on the way to the international cleaners.
    
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    December 8, 2018 9:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      No I have said all people should be treated equally. No special favours and no persecution. I’m also an atheist and disagree with you handing out favours based on religion. I have never seen Eddy advocate harming anyone btw.
      
      I do agree with you, but were just surprised to see you advocate National Socialism.
      
      Labour are a snotty bunch of authoritarian elitists who care more for ideology than outcomes for people.
      
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      December 8, 2018 9:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea-Realityczech, I’m not a Nazi, which of course, from our jousting over a long period, you well know. I know, too, that you’re not a Nazi either. You have a sense of humour too good ever to pass for one.
        
        Was there ever such a thing as a good Nazi joke?
        
        The shafting of freezing workers in Southland is bad enough to highlight on a quiet Saturday night on Kiwiblog in the fairly forlorn hope it might get Southland workers organising.
        
        KRC, I’ve no doubt you could inspire them, and I share your view of the Labour Party.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        I am not anti immigration, but this is absurd. I don’t care where the workers are from, just that 100 Southland folk are denied jobs.
        
        I am also concerned about the bigger picture. Many other countries treat workers very differently to us and this could lead to a regression in the conditions and pay of all workers in NZ.
        
        I would have no problem if these were technical specialists we really needed, but this is not the case here.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        ❗Kea-Realityczech❗ – you say: “I have never seen Eddy advocate harming anyone btw.”
        
        卐EADolf has the Nazi obsession with Jews, exemplified by his use of triple brackets to identify or imply the name bracketed is that of a Jew.
        
        The fact that the blog host, DPF, whose father was Jewish, tolerates 卐EADolf’s posts is testament to DPF’s liberal policy with his Kiwiblog.
        
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        December 8, 2018 10:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Be that as it may, he does not advocate harming anyone. Unlike your attacks on your Muslim brothers.
        
        Last time I checked it was Muslims being murdered not Jews.
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        If you want to point to criticism of Muslims, go to Whale. There tonight, for example, it has the link to an alleged cover-up of the religion of bullies in an attack in pre-school, and alleged bias in the media.
        
        Here’s where Whale takes you, so I’ll save you the extra hop:
        
        https://youtu.be/HcABek5iTU0
        
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        December 8, 2018 11:28pm
      - cha
        
        an alleged cover-up
        
        Not a very good cover-up.
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6366557/Toddler-bitten-15-times-children-soft-play-centre-Seacroft-Leeds.html
        
        https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7689952/child-bit-soft-play-centre/
        
        https://www.metro.news/toddler-is-left-scarred-after-children-bite-her-15-times/1302713/
        
        https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/heartbroken-mum-praises-soft-play-15397609
        
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