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All_on_Red

No one was more surprised by Jeffery Epsteins suicide than Jeffery Epstein
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August 11, 2019 8:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If he had any clues he would have left a few “In the event of my untimely death” letters strewed around the place.
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:09am
  - All_on_Red
    
    In the news tomorrow: ‘In a purely coincidental and unfortunate incident, all the written & video testimonies of his accusers, plus all the evidence collected at Epstein’s island were mixed up with boxes of scrap paper and sent to a document destruction company.
    Also Ghislaine Maxwell,Epstein’s alleged madam died while traveling aboard the airplane owned by Epstein while travelling to NY to be deposed by investigators. Maxwell choked to death on an English muffin she was having for breakfast, just before the plane crashed and burned.
    In a further development, the prison warden who ordered Epstein to be taken off suicide watch, an unnamed prison guard and the A/V tech in charge of the surveillance cameras, shoot each other to death in an apparent gay love triangle murder suicide pact.’
    HT @vallachian
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:42am
    - Jack5
      
      Mmm! It couldn’t have been timed better to bury on the news pages the disaster in Perth:
      
      https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/wallabies-demolish-all-blacks-to-keep-bledisloe-dream-alive-20190810-p52fvx.html
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:17am
- JibberJabber
  
  I believe the term is Arkancide,
  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arkancide
  Not many people survive a friendship with the Clintons.
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:17am
  - stephieboy
    
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    JibberJabber,Arkancide ?? In other words, stupid conspiracy theories of fake moon landing kind!
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      stephieboy,
      you were writing the same nonsense just a couple of weeks ago.
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/general_debate_25_july_2019.html#comment-2527458
      
      Don’t you have any idea as to how the USA functions?
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:12am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      stephieboy
      Politicians sometimes kill their enemies. That is uncontroversial and is not a ‘stupid conspiracy.’ It is the real politik and a historical fact. Bringing up unrelated moon landing conspiracies is irrelevant at best. It makes you appear as though you are saying something though.
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:13am
    - MrTips
      
      Stephiecide: (v.) a gratuitous and repetitive act of self-immolation, almost always ineffective and counter productive, taken out on the internet. Etiology suggests possible genetic predisposition but also displays vector transmission consistent with unhygienic socialist practices, suggesting a causative agent spread in places of population density combined with low IQ, such as a Labour/Green party conference.
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Brilliant
        
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        August 11, 2019 9:27am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Was he actually on a meaningful “suicide watch” where the prisoner wears paper clothes, there are no bedsheets, there are lights and multiple cameras, etc.
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course he wasn’t.
    
    But US media report that, despite the apparent warning signs, the financier was not on suicide watch at the time of his death.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49306032
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:32am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      A man as smart as Epstein would have foreseen the risk of murder in prison and would have prepared multiple “poision pills” (though multiple independent lawyers), to be made public in the event of his death.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:17am
    - Billy Collins
      
      He was on suicide watch, but was taken off it.
      
      Why though?
      
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      August 11, 2019 7:24pm
  - Scooter
    
    “They” obviously messed up first time
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Maybe the Royal family called in James Bond? ?️‍♂️
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9475111/prince-andrew-duke-york-jeffrey-epstein-virginia-sex-abuse-fbi/
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:02am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yup, the moment I read a royal was possibly implicted, I thought the “firm” would ensure the problem goes away. Between the Clintons and the Royals, this guy had no chance. Of course, it could just have been suicide. Epstein would have been looking at years of “Hide the sausage with Bubba”, and quiet frankly I think I’d top myself if faced with the same future. People like Epstein seldom have a quiet time in prsion.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  And the US President must give s sigh of relief! ( as well as a quiet murmur RIP)
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:38am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Why?
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:42am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Why not?
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:47am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh, you mean ex US President Clinton!
      Yes, he would be relieved.
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:48am
      - stephieboy
        
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        All on Red,
        
        Yes, he would be relieved.
        
        Why?
        
        Lets try Clinton body count?
        
        LOL!
        
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        August 11, 2019 8:50am
      - Tall Man
        
        “relieved”…. thought that was the purpose of the trip 😉
        
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        August 11, 2019 11:07am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    No stephie, a former president and 26-times flyer on Epstein’s private jet will undoubtably be the more relieved of the two. Even a troll like yourself should understand that.
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:45am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Tony Stuart,
      
      Another knoch up Clinton body count?
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:48am
  - chaos
    
    You mean Donald trump, the one person who the victims lawyer contacted that actually rang him up and talked to him giving him a lot of information. Well done Donald. The New Zealand Labour Party who try to cover up sexual abuse and rape could learn a lot from Donald.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:18am
- wreck1080
  
  Murdered, clearly.
  
  How does a high risk suicide inmate manage to commit suicide?
  
  Answer, they can’t.
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:44am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I wouldn’t say that we know they can’t commit suicide. I’m sure it will be investigated.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:48am
  - Scooter
    
    Especially since there was an “attempt” a few weeks before
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:55am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Yes they can. Bed sheets can be lethal.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:02am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Epstein was on suicide watch, he was removed from the list and apparently the mandatory paperwork for such a removal has not been filed; the also mandatory 30 minute checks done 24×7 were not carried out that night on Epstein; the video feeds to his cell also became defective and remained so overnight.
    
    If you were to assemble a list of actions and circumstances that would absolutely scream conspiracy to murder, could wouldn’t really need to add any more, would you ?
    
    And to be clear, this wouldn’t be the Trump people as in the very recent release of documents relating to Epstein’s earlier conviction, Trump is completely exonerated by that witness anyway.
    
    At least Bill Barr has come out with a statement highly critical of the circumstances and announcing a high level investigation into the same. I for one would be checking on the whereabouts of Sid Blumenthal and Cody Shearer for a start.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:21am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Those details don’t look good, hopefully the investigation will be successful. Starting with those ‘coincidences’ and if they can be linked to a common cause.
      
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      August 11, 2019 1:28pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    At the risk of being morbid – remove article of clothing and loop around bars in door, put head in loop and sit down. As long as your arse doesn’t get to the floor you will be able to pass out and die if not cut free. Or be rendered unconscious and put in that position as Epstein seems to have been last week.
    
    A 15 minute check is usually instituted to prevent such, and some special cells have no points to use to create the noose or loop.
    
    But possible it is, if you don’t monitor frequently and preferably use special cells and special soft weak clothing.
    
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    August 11, 2019 6:49pm
- Inandout
  
  Apparently the list of visitors to his island reads like a Whoswho of the famous. I am not the least surprised by his death and not merely because of the Clinton involvement. He probably knew the damage and embarrassment he was involved in had but one solution; death by any means.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:07am
- harvey wilson
  
  Hilary sent flowers to his bereaved family last week.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:26am
  - Rich Prick
    
    They arrived dead, like her soul.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:32am
- Straight arrow
  
  President Clinton has asked Jeffery Epstein’s friends to fly at “half-mast” today.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:12am
- MCos
  
  “I guess they think a country dumb enough to elect Trump is stupid enough to believe Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. Or not. Love that they did it on the traditional Friday night/early Saturday morning “document dump” time when they know the fewest people will follow it.”
  
  Michael Moore
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  Dirty ol Bill had too many secrets to bury. I knew the guy would end up dead. Those Clintons they have their means.
  
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  August 11, 2019 11:31am
- Rich Prick
  
  He probably shot him self in the back of the head, twice:
  
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  August 11, 2019 11:42am
- Ed Snack
  
  As John McAfee tweeted !
  
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  August 11, 2019 6:23pm
The Proper Ghandi

Well, I see Jeffery Epstein has been murdered. I mean, who could have foreseen this turn of events?
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August 11, 2019 8:05am
- stephieboy
  
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  The Proper Ghandi,
  
  Tell us then?
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:49am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    stephieboy
    Tell you what? I just told you: anyone who sincerely believes that Epstein actually killed himself must be willfully ignorant of the way the world actually works.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:05am
    - All_on_Red
      
      If the rumour is true that Epstein was told as punishment he had to read Stephies’ Posts then I’m picking suicide!
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:10am
    - stephieboy
      
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      The Proper Gandhi , we all must patiently wait until the Medical examiner’s final report.
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:13am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The Medical Examiner’s draft report was written on Friday 😀
        
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        August 11, 2019 9:59am
      - stephieboy
        
        Tony Stuart, draft? Give us a summary of the findings?
        
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        August 11, 2019 12:08pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Sorry stephie, I forgot that you don’t do humour 😀
        
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        August 11, 2019 3:20pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Tony Stuart
      With much input from the Palace and someone with an Arkansas background.
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:07am
    - Ed Snack
      
      It is possible that he was persuaded that it would be in his best interests. Or face the rest of his life in very unpleasant circumstances.
      
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      August 11, 2019 6:52pm
  - emmess
    
    Stephieboy, even far left nutters like AOC aren’t buying.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/10/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-demands-answers-epstein-found-dead-jail/
    Why are you?
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:07am
  - burt
    
    stephieboy
    
    I’m starting to wonder why Epstein didn’t just say he was a Muslim and declare his having sex with children perfect behaviour as it is stated in the Koran?
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:22am
    - igm
      
      Are Muslims not a disgusting and vile sect that keep getting support from dregs of society everywhere. Time everyone awoke to the fact they are baggage wherever they go!
      
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      August 11, 2019 1:04pm
- chaos
  
  Won’t matter, dead or alive it is all going to come out now, just now we don’t have to wait a year for the trial.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:19am
  - sooty
    
    And name suppression
    
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    August 11, 2019 12:19pm
peterwn

So some lawyers are lining up to take a complaint about conditions in NZ prisons to the United Nations. And UN members who run the crappiest prisons will no doubt be quick off the mark to condemn NZ. Perhaps UN should look at nearby prisons such as the Fed run Metropolitan Correctional Centre, the nearby NY city run ‘Tombs’ and Sing Sing up the river. I suspect these are a bit worse than NZ prisons.
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August 11, 2019 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  Or North Korea , the largest prison on the planet.
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:22am
- G152
  
  India or China will be stook.
  Any Asian country has overcrowding filthy conditions in their prisons
  Five minutes on the Net will show that
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:28am
Im Right

How far can the left media keep a straight face when reporting anything USA based?
Epstein dead, almost all reports insert Trump connection as he had a trip on his ‘lolita express’ plane and Clinton (Bill) had 26! And yet no differentiation between when both names mentioned in any Epstein article….I dunno, it seems if Trump wins next year’s election the Democrats will have a serious meltdown!
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August 11, 2019 8:12am
- Scott
  
  I’m right – I’m sure that every story in the USA seems to end with “because of Trump. Orange man bad”!
  
  The media have lost it over Trump for the last three years. They obviously will not be satisfied and regain their mental health until there is a Democrat in the white house. Sad bunch really?
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:22am
  - 3-coil
    
    Scott – a sad bunch true, but even more importantly, the MSM have permanently destroyed their own credibility in their obsessive drive to undermine and bring down President Trump. And that credibility is gone forever, the traditional modes of MSM delivery are all dead or dying – and they have nobody but themselves to blame. The internet has enabled the public to be better informed than ever, and the transparency of the media bias is now so blatantly obvious to us all. Life is too busy for the citizens to waste their time being force-fed hamfisted media propaganda, where all the traditional basic tenets of honest journalism have been abandoned. The vanity and naivety of the (often young, immature) “journalists” assuming we can’t see past them would be hilarious were it not so catastrophic for the survival of the once vital and great fourth estate.
    
    Edit. I wonder if Trump’s greatest legacy will be his use of twitter to bypass the traditional media filters and communicate directly to the people – and the hysterical sensationalism and dishonesty of the media reaction leading to their own irrelevancy and demise. The neutered wannabe and ex-“journalists” have resorted to delivering more and more of the fake news that Trump has labeled and exposed…proof positive for us all to see. The dismantling of all the traditional structures of western society appears to be the goal of all young woke “progressives” increasingly calling the shots – but the inadvertent dismantling of the traditional media models may be the one they live to regret.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:49am
    - kloyd0306
      
      …..and the beautiful irony is that Trump is using a hard left organization (Twitter) to bypass the Trump-hating media. Brilliant!
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:51am
  - Nermal
    
    That’s one of the great worldwide results of Trump being elected. It’s flushed out the “neutral” media into the open. Just like a cat chasing a laser spot, they just can’t help themselves, so we can see who they are, and what they are, and treat their pious utterings with the contempt they deserve
    
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    August 11, 2019 12:18pm
- chaos
  
  Most stories ignore the fact that out of everyone the victims lawyers contacted trump was the only one to return the call and give the lawyer all he knew about Epstein.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:21am
  - Ross12
    
    Chaos
    Your point is right but I think that relates to the first time Epstein was charged some years ago. But if it happened again recently, I stand corrected.
    More relevant to recent days is woman involved have come out and said Trump was not involved in any of the sex parties as far they know.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      It would be hard to miss a guy six feet tall with orange hair wouldn’t? 🙂
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:04am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Is it really a comparison between who took the most ‘plane trips’, or in fact who took the plane trips? I think you are missing the point. Also there is a jump to conclusions as to what happened on the plane trips that is yet to be proved.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:51am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I don’t think Clinton’s 26 trips have ever been questioned as a matter of fact Brian. To be fair, you’d have to have a pretty compelling reason for visiting the same place 26 times.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:01am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      As the Privy Council say it might be suspicious but no more. Anyway, I’m not defending Clinton by my statement that proof is needed against anyone that took plane trips.
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:41am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  …almost all reports insert Trump connection as he had a trip on his ‘lolita express’ plane…
  
  They report the Trump connection due to Epstein’s visits to Mar a Lago, the photos of him partying there with Trump, and Trump’s endorsements of Epstein’s character. Trips on planes don’t come into it.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:04am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’re aware of course Milt that Trump barred Epstein from Mar a Lago after he heard that Epstein has molested a young woman, something he shared with Federal prosecutors.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:22am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Epstein was a neighbour of Trumps at Mar a Lago
      The flight Trump took was back to Newark NY from Florida with Mark Epstein(Jeffrey’s brother) and a few others.
      Basically they gave him a lift. Iirc it was on Epsteins smaller plane. Not the Lolita Express.
      Trump withdrew his ‘nice guy’ comment when he helped Epsteins victims back in 2009 and had already banned Epstein from Mar a Lago some years previously.
      Nice try though Milt
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:35am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I was unaware that Trump had barred Epstein from Mar a Lago when it became clear Epstein was going to be prosecuted, but that does sound like the kind of thing he’d do to his friends.
      
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      August 11, 2019 12:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He was barred long before the prosecution was started regarding other women in Florida.
        Hard to stay friends with someone when you find out they are sexual abusers.
        Unlike you.
        What’s this I hear about you condoning and supporting the sexual abusers in the Labour office.
        You Lefties stick together eh.
        
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        August 11, 2019 2:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    All excited are you psycho… another “sex scandal” to get your juices going.
    
    Interesting to see your perspective here, a number of verified statements about a labour party gets you on the defensive yet a miniscule “sniff” of scandal around Trump and you leap in salivating like a rabid dog.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:02am
    - burt
      
      Yes, it’s different when the left do it.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Enablers” like psycho disgust me.
        
        He scuttled off last time like a little crab after he had injected his distorted invective.
        
        I cannot see why anyone would offer any defense for this “staffer” especially when the mallard duck went “feral” on the last “suspected abuser to the extent he ruined both his career and reputation by falsely calling him a rapist.
        
        There has been no apology or retraction by the duck and again we have the left attempting to “trivialise” the complaints of 12 women in order to protect “who”?
        
        Where are the “meetoo” crowd here or the ferret faced mau? Still hoping for another $26K day I imagine.
        
        Perhaps if we said that the labour abuser was a Trump wannabe we’d get some action.
        
        Look at the media on the epstein case. A sniff of Trump and they’re all in dragging rodents like psycho along with them whereas the major culprits are minimised.
        
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        August 11, 2019 11:59am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        As always, it’s very hurtful to find that such a respected figure as anonymous Internet guy has such a low opinion of my character.
        
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        August 11, 2019 12:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Me… anonymous…..
        
        Were you a little pissed off when your parents named you psycho?
        
        The more you prattle the more you clarify to us all, you have little regard for women, especially those that have the audacity to complain about sexual abuse from someone attached to your beloved ardern, whereas if Trump looks sideways at a woman he must be attacked at all costs… Have I got that right?
        
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        August 11, 2019 1:58pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Well, yes, we’re both anonymous Internet guys. That’s not the point, which is: how much is an anonymous Internet guy’s opinion of your character worth, do you think?
        
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        August 11, 2019 4:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Unlike you, I am as well aware of my character and integrity as I am aware of your lack of both.
        
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        August 11, 2019 5:42pm
- Ed Snack
  
  It is worse, the only trip that it can be established that Trump took on an aircraft owned by Epstein is in the 1990’s when he “hitched a ride” from Florida back to New York on a small twin engine plane, not the 727 notoriously known as the “Lolita Express” and not to any of Epstein’s properties.
  
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  August 11, 2019 6:55pm
CJames

See London had big power cuts because one of the major windfarms fell off. Just after they boasted about maximum wind generation. They are trying to muddy the waters by claiming two stations fell off, one conventional, but that GT station was on planned shutdown because the grid load was falling so its generation wasn’t needed.
It was all so predictable (think South Australia) and the unreliability is the shape of things to come.
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August 11, 2019 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  lots more detail here.
  https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/08/10/worst-uk-power-cut-for-decades-as-wind-output-surges/#more-40845
  
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  August 11, 2019 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, your link is making stuff i up. Power authorities are still investigating but it could be two power station failures were responsible
    
    United Kingdom power outage: ‘What went wrong?’ – watchdog demands probe after homes, airports, trains and traffic lights hit by blackout
    
    Massive power outage hit nearly 1,000,000 people
    More delays to trains this morning
    Power cut caused airport and hospital to lose power
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:45am
    - stephieboy
      
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      My Link,
      
      https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/united-kingdom-power-outage-what-went-wrong-homes-airports-trains-and-traffic-lights-hit-by-blackout-a4210261.html
      
      Put up some sensible posts for a change!
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:53am
      - srylands
        
        ‘Put up some sensible posts for a change!”
        
        Congratulations. You are the Pot. Kettle. Black. World champion.
        
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        August 11, 2019 9:09am
      - All_on_Red
        
        -Sits back and waits
        ????
        Edit- didn’t take long!
        
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        August 11, 2019 9:15am
      - John Warren
        
        Haha! Stephanie has just given new meaning to the word “irony”. And “hypocrisy”. And maybe a bunch of others. Thank you Stephanie. You’ve given me the very biggest laugh of my Sunday morning.
        
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        August 11, 2019 9:33am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        That’s the Hypocrite of the Week title decided. Bad luck to joint runners-up Jacinda Ardern and Julie Anne Genter.
        
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        August 11, 2019 10:03am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There’s no way you could have read my link, its associated comments and understood what was going on in 10 minutes, stephieboy.
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:15am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Perhaps either Maggie or stephieboy could help us to move the discussion forward by pointing out how and where the articles they have respectively referred to, differ. What exactly is the contentious point here?
        
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        August 11, 2019 10:43am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Albert Ross,
        I’m happy to explain in my own words, but as I am not a Power/National Grid engineer, I suggest you read the links to try and figure out yourself what is useful information and what is spin.
        
        But in brief: Stephieboy has posted a link that basically says… we are not sure as to why 2 power stations (a gas-fired plant and an offshore wind-farm failed at approximately the same time).
        
        I provided a link that discusses the events that were occurring at the time that the 2 power plants failed.
        1. The Hornsea Offshore Windfarm had been running at maximum output a half-hr before the shut-down.
        Because of the terms of its contract, The gas-fired plant had lowered its output (In the UK 1st preference is given to renewable energy).
        
        2. A major storm was blowing up the coast…at the same time that Hornsea shut down.
        
        It took some time to bring Hornsea back on stream.
        
        A blackout occurred as other connections on the grid disconnect to ensure that they don’t carry too much load.
        
        So I referenced a link that discusses possible reasons for the failure….. stephieboy says they are making things up.
        
        You choose, Albert Ross.
        
        I can’t tell you who is right or wrong.
        
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        August 11, 2019 11:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW. and I’m happy to quote from link which rejects your jumping to conclusions,
        
        Professor Tim Green, co-director of the Energy Futures Laboratory, Imperial College London, believes the two generators disconnected were at Little Barford and Hornsea.
        
        He said: “The first generator to disconnect was a gas fired plant at Little Barford at 16:58. Two minutes later Hornsea Offshore wind farm seems to have disconnected.
        
        “This might be linked to disturbance caused by first generator failing; might not.
        
        “We will need to wait for National Grid’s full technical investigation to get to bottom of that.”
        
        https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/united-kingdom-power-outage-what-went-wrong-homes-airports-trains-and-traffic-lights-hit-by-blackout-a4210261.html
        
        Worth repeating!
        
        “We will need to wait for National Grid’s full technical investigation to get to bottom of that.”
        
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        August 11, 2019 12:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        
        this is a political blog… folks don’t always accept that the official explanations are the correct explanations..
        
        I was interested in finding out what engineers thought about the matter.. I wasn’t interested in re-reading the Journalist reports… I’d done all that yesterday.
        
        Now you stated that the folks on my link are making stuff up…
        maybe they are, maybe they are not.
        HOW DO YOU KNOW?
        Do you have a background in working on the UK Power Grid?
        
        But as many of the folks on the link I put up are producing information that was not available on your link, I was interested.
        
        Feel free to wait for the Official Explanation.
        
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        August 11, 2019 4:02pm
      - CJames
        
        Stephie
        As I mention down post, you talk shit and even the stuff you post is shit.
        In your “evidence” the paper says :
        He said: “The first generator to disconnect was a gas fired plant at Little Barford at 16:58. Two minutes later Hornsea Offshore wind farm seems to have disconnected.”
        Dispatch shows Little Barford was at 0MW at 16:55:37. This was as per dispatch instructions and they would have been ramping down for 15 minutes before this.
        Hornsea said they went to 0MW at 17:00:00 – this was posted 20 minutes after it happened – yeah right. They had a WTF moment and had to sort their shit out before they went to Dispatch.
        The underfrequency with the big load loss happened about 16:53 so the papers were wrong on those counts as well
        The more telling thing is Little Barfoot was back generating 25 minutes later. Hornslea had to stay out a lot longer and still seems to be on reduced output.
        Now go back to fiddling with goats where your talents are better served
        
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        August 11, 2019 4:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Albert Ross
        
        I’m sorry I can’t move the debate on any further for you…stephieboy has just copy-pasted what was in his link.
        
        If you read the article I linked to.. you will see that it contains details about events occurring at or around the time of the blackout…. Details that weren’t available in the Newspaper articles.
        
        Now as far as I can see… no-one is stating that they know exactly what happened.
        
        But stephieboy is confident that they are making stuff up… until he identifies exactly what stuff is made up..I can’t help you any further.
        
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        August 11, 2019 5:05pm
  - freethinker
    
    Excellent explanation that even the left should understand but wont.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:07am
  - CJames
    
    The British Grid knew that having too much wind on the grid would cause problems
    https://www.nationalgrideso.com/document/140411/download
    The fact that this happened when they knew it would, and hadn’t made allowances for it is disturbing. Have they also drunk the KoolAid?
    
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    August 11, 2019 12:23pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Note also the costs, GBP 45 for gas, GBP 158 for off shore wind. Someone is getting ripped off hugely, and methinks it is the average consumer…
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:51pm
- peterwn
  
  Regarding the GT station, doing the shutdown was in retrospect an operational misjudgment due to human or automation error. Power dispatching in UK is a very tricky issue – for example operators have to keep tabs on popular TV channels and ensure there is spare running generation in the run-up to ad breaks when people switch their kettles on. An underlying issue would be that they have a much smaller portion of hydro (including pumped storage) generation compared with NZ. Wind and solar generation needs to be supported by significant ‘spinning reserve’ and/or battery capacity. NZ is lucky as it has extensive hydro generation which complements and supports wind power at little cost.
  In UK providing appropriate ‘spinning reserve’ for wind farms would be very expensive. It would mean having to run near ‘end of life’ or other low capital cost plant at low output levels which is inefficient or expensive. Alternatively UK will have to bite the bullet and build ‘pumped storage’ schemes or install a vast amount of battery capacity.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:10am
  - CJames
    
    Peter, the GT was dispatched to 0MW because the load was dropping and wind has priority. Similar things happen here with thermal plant. There the windfarm lost 850MW. They had Dinorwig which is a massive pumped storage at 300MW, which came up to nearly 1GW after the drop. They have to be dispatched though.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:34am
    - peterwn
      
      There is always a ‘slack’ generator where the prime energy (water, steam, etc) is controlled by system frequency. Its output is not dispatched but other output must be dispatched up or down if the ‘slack’ generator is near limits. Other generators are run to dispatched output but with field current adjusted to meet the target voltage by the production or absorption of ‘wattless’ current. If the GT was running on zero output then it had obviously been ‘dispatched’ as spinning reserve and is available for immediate dispatch if immediately. Seems that the need to dispatch was overlooked or there was a failure in the dispatch process. Could have been human error, dispatcher ‘overload’ or automation failures.
      I have not been in the game for a while but presumably with more automation and improved communications between power stations and grid control much of the dispatching can be automated.
      
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      August 11, 2019 1:46pm
      - CJames
        
        Peter
        You can’t run a GT as spinning reserve. It has to have load on. – minimum load maybe 30% of rating. Too many problems maintaining the burner flames and blade cooling otherwise.
        In NZ, they run some hydros with tailrace depression as spinning reserve, but that now seems rare nowadays. More likely to be a hydro on frequency control or one of the thermal partially loaded. They sometimes don’t do that but have partially loaded units on short dispatch.
        
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        August 11, 2019 5:02pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Britain doesn’t have a lot of sites for pumped storage, and pumped storage is pretty inefficient as well though better than nothing. Batteries are (at present) a joke, there isn’t a faintly realistic chance that a battery installation could do anything to mitigate failures of this nature. Even the vaunted South Australian battery array is absolutely feeble though it has uses as a smoother of the poor quality feed that SA now has.
    
    Spinning reserve of course has the major problem that it generates significant GHG’s, and is expensive.
    
    Boris Johnston has the right approach but it is probably rather too late. He favours a significant investment in baseload nuclear, but that is probably a 20 year project at best.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:30am
    - Jack5
      
      Peterwn mentioned:”NZ is lucky as it has extensive hydro generation which complements and supports wind power at little cost.”
      
      New Zealand’s hydro storage is limited by lack of suitable valleys that could be used without driving environmentalists into a frenzy; by its dependence on weather that affects snow melt and water availability generally; by the fact that much of it is separated by more than 1000km and a sea strait from the main market.
      
      Earthquake risk also adds to hydro cost. This led to high, originally unplanned costs at the big Clyde dam, for example. Dams typically have an expected life of up to 100 years, but after 50 years maintenance costs rise:
      
      https://www.teachengineering.org/lessons/view/cub_dams_lesson08
      
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      August 11, 2019 1:47pm
      - peterwn
        
        There is enough existing hydro capacity to support a significant increase in wind/ solar capacity but this is not limitless.
        A ‘climate emergency’ should require a re-assessment of hydro resources both for new projects and to enhance capacity of existing projects (eg raise Lake Manapouri). This would include prioritising sites in order of environmental significance and then sacrificing some of them in the interests of addressing the ‘climate emergency’. This would of course get an adverse reception.
        
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        August 11, 2019 4:44pm
    - peterwn
      
      This shows the limited value of solar and wind power, since is needs very expensive storage capacity to support it. I am not sure that ‘off grid’ arrangements are really economic, they might be if the only other option is having to pay for several hundred metres or more of 11,ooovolt line and a transformer. I went to Great Barrier several years ago and the place was littered with discarded lead acid batteries from solar schemes.
      
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      August 11, 2019 4:38pm
  - cmm
    
    There are not rally many suitable sites in UK for pumped storage.
    
    A pumped storage scheme needs something akin to a cliff with an area for a lake at the top. They need a good hydraulic head (difference between top and bottom to work.
    
    For example, one I am slightly familiar with is the Drakensberg scheme in South Africa.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drakensberg_Pumped_Storage_Scheme
    
    The Drakensberg scheme has a head of 460 metres. It can go from standstill to almost full generation in a couple of minutes.
    
    UK is pretty flat. There are few opportunities for pumped storage. The biggest, I believe, is only 360MW – around half the output of a single coal generator. The Drakensberg scheme is 1000MW.
    
    Utilities do not like using GT because it is expensive. Diesel-fired GT can cost far more to produce than they sell the electricity for. In an ideologically driven country they get pinged for CO2 emissions.
    
    Moral of the story: If UK wants green leccy they must accept load shedding.
    
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    August 11, 2019 6:09pm
    - peterwn
      
      A utility has to do its sums on this. If there is say 20% chance that lakes are low, or some other generation suddenly becomes unavailable, then a utility will need low capital cost last resort generation and GT meets this need. Running costs are rather immaterial in the circumstances except it will drive the spot price up for the periods in question. Huntly has effectively taken on this role after Genesis put pressure on the rest of the industry to ensure it was not going to be stiffed by the Electricity Authority again.
      Of cource you only run this last resort generation when you really need to.
      
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      August 11, 2019 6:39pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      I think the large UK pumped storage can produce up to 1000 MWH, it is mentioned in Maggie’s link.
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:25pm
- CJames
  
  Stephie
  You have the unenviable reputation of writing shit on almost every subject.
  Look nin the comments of the article Maggie referenced, especially the graph showing the frequency drop. Find the UK Grid site and look at their dispatches. Do a calculation on the effect of 850MW falling off the grid when it has that inertia. Then if your braincells haven’t overloaded, come back with a sensible comment. Otherwise, STFU.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:29am
  - cmm
    
    For the reading challenged, youtube has a whole lot of helpful videos. Search for “under frequency load shedding”.
    
    There’s even an hour long series by Transpower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbWDCeGhhk
    
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    August 11, 2019 12:03pm
Scott

While Joe Biden is in the lead in the polls to become the presidential nominee for the democrats he is struggling in the campaign. After being asked about, how many genders are there? He replies, three. Then he comes back and grabs the young questioners arm and gives more of an answer.

The young questioner is a republican so there is some bias in her approach. However Biden just can’t stop himself touching people in way that can be misinterpreted. He has the cover of the mainstream media because we know if a republican Trump affiliated person did this there would be howls of outrage.

But I’m finding it difficult to see Biden lasting through a long campaign. He makes a lot of gaffes as in this case.

To me the field is still wide open for someone to come through on the moderate “hope and change” lane to unify the people. Most of the rest of the current field is way too left wing to appeal to the moderate voter.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/joe-biden-explains-3.php
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August 11, 2019 8:18am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Let’s not forget he Mis-spoke when he said poor kids are just as bright as white kids….
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:02am
Monique Watson

Epstein. Dead of ‘Suicide’. Yeah right”, comes to mind. Did an army of tiny little spiders run into his cell and craft a rope and maybe he choked himself into unconsciousness with it; and dang how it worked at the second attempt.
Oh I see there are like minded Kiwi Bloggers thinking there way through plausible scenarios.
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August 11, 2019 8:27am
- sooty
  
  The scenarios, include,
  He was in a cell with Bubba and he choked!
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:25pm
- freethinker
  
  Just another Arkancide to add to the list now standing at 47 -Gateway pundit for names etc.
  
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  August 11, 2019 6:47pm
JibberJabber

A clip so simple even a Labour Party apparatchik could understand it, but they won`t.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2419147541461421
Debt Crisis explained…
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August 11, 2019 8:31am
- Jules99
  
  Tells me that content isn’t available. Maybe I’m not smart enough to watch it!
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:02am
Happychappy

Is this the start of some very big names being caught up in the Epstein sex saga.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12257489
Wow will the media get it right or will this be tied into their narrative. They need to get these predators off the street with evidence not hearsay.
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August 11, 2019 8:46am
- Jules99
  
  Another tranche of papers due out next week. Last week’s were amazing, but not covered here much for some reason. Sadly for Trump haters one girl testified that ‘Trump was there but didn’t have sex with any of the girls’.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:05am
  - Morrissey
    
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    A message from @RealDonald Trump…..
    
    “I can confirm I was there but didn’t have sex with any of the girls.”
    
    https://media1.tenor.com/images/111dc5bade94457d9f91e5eafa38c7f3/tenor.gif?itemid=7576941
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:26am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Three lecherous scumbags have downticked the President. Why?
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:46am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No Morrissey, 13 good and true people have downticked YOU, because of your partisan scumbaggery.
        
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        August 11, 2019 10:24am
      - SGA
        
        …. because there is no place for partisan excesses on KB. 🙂
        
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        August 11, 2019 10:36am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Luckily Tony Stuart would never make partisan comments.
        
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        August 11, 2019 10:40am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’ve never claimed to be non-partisan mikeandmild. But I don’t bitch and moan like a twelve-year-old when those nasty people on Kiwiblog downtick my comments.
        
        PS – I could also say that, unlike you, I comment under my real name. I could, but I won’t. Have a nice day 😀
        
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        August 11, 2019 10:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        Tony Start, not forgetting your confederates like Tall Man,JibberJabber, All on Red, Ed Snack etc, etc, eh!
        
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        August 11, 2019 12:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Awww isn’t that lovely, I’ve got another fan…..
        
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        August 11, 2019 5:44pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
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    ‘Trump was there but didn’t have sex with any of the girls’.
    
    That one will prove as memorable as Bill Clinton’s “But I didn’t inhale,” I expect.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:07am
    - Tall Man
      
      You really are a tosser.
      
      Read the article and the comment. One of the girls made the comment.
      
      Still, you made it perfectly clear the other day that you fully support sex abusers as long as they are lefties. Do you aspire to “rise” in the hierarchy so you can have a crack at it?
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:56am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Nope, almost certainly going to stand. It wasn’t Trump’s comment but of the witness making the statement. I don’t think she even states that he was there, if by there one means Little St James island. She says that she heard Epstein claim that Trump was a friend but never saw them together.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well,
  it leaves me with two plausible hypotheses:
  * A Royal Palace hit
  * A Clinton job.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:20am
  - dubya
    
    The Palace have already assembled the usual team…
    
    https://youtu.be/b4meFC1ee7Q
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:27am
  - SGA
    
    it leaves me with two plausible hypotheses:
    
    But that’s because you don’t know the full details of Epstein’s connections. For all you know there could be dozens of people with reason for his investigation to end. Or, perhaps the Clintons, Windsors, and 5 others all chipped in $200k each to make the problem go away.
    Then again, given his circumstances, it is within the realms of possibility that Epstein actually did commit suicide.
    
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    August 11, 2019 12:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well done.
      
      We have a few more hypotheses to go along with, then.
      
      How would you rank their plausibility?
      
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      August 11, 2019 3:46pm
      - SGA
        
        No idea, Maggy. I’m quite content to see how this evolves with time before I engage in speculation or conspiracy theories. I don’t “want” it to be Trump, the Clintons, the Windsors, the Illuminati, or whatever.
        
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        August 11, 2019 3:52pm
      - Batman
        
        He was taken off suicide watch and successfully committed suicide because he refused to face up to his crimes.
        
        Sometimes the truth is the most boring explanation ?
        
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        August 11, 2019 3:58pm
srylands

The world is gone mad.

I was invited to a dinner party last night. Friend of a friend. I volunteered to bring dessert. I made a hazelnut cake with raspberrys poached in Armagnac.

Anyway I had to finish it up at the venue. I asked the host of she had some glad wrap (cling wrap) to cover it. Her response:

“NO Because I am not an environmental terrorist. “??

Way to kill a party buzz.

There has been a real shift in the audacity and language of these zealots in the last two years. Where are we going to be in five years?

BTW this was in Wellington.
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August 11, 2019 8:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You can visit my place anytime…
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:21am
  - srylands
    
    That is very generous. I’ll bring cake with Armagnac ?
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:34am
    - Lizziep
      
      I have glad wrap otherwise known as cling wrap. A very big roll actually I may even have two. One spare in case I run out of the one in use….. Feel free to visit with cake in hand. I’ll even give you what’s left to take home.
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:00am
    - Jack5
      
      I had to look on the web to find about Armagnac, Srylands, and found this quote. Tell us more. Is it really as good as you imply? Could someone make it NZ, just as we took over Sauvignon Blanc? ?
      
      The difference between cognac and armagnac? Imagine a length of velvet and another of a silk fabric. Stroke them. The velvet has a deep, rich texture. That is an armagnac. The silk is pure finesse, and that, to me, is a cognac (Salvatore Calabrese, London barman).
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:12am
      - srylands
        
        Armagnac is made in Armagnac. Been made for centuries. Might be hard to replicate.
        
        I’m not an expert and don’t drink it much. I poach berries in a small amount and set it alight to burn off the alcohol and just leave the flavour.
        
        I guess you can spend as much as you like. I bought a Saint Vivant yesterday for $61. It has a cool bottle.
        
        https://images.app.goo.gl/iLhbeH6hoe6r4LcXA
        
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        August 11, 2019 11:05am
- alloytoo
  
  “NO Because I am not an environmental terrorist. “??
  
  So she’ll wind up being a biological terrorist?
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:22am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Let me guess.
  Roseneath or Ngaio?
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:25am
  - srylands
    
    It was a prosperous inner city suburb. As you would expect.
    
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    August 11, 2019 9:43am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Kelburn, and she is a Green voter.
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:07am
      - peterwn
        
        And with Kelburn Green voters it is not two ticks Green – it is one tick Green one tick Robbo. Cannot split the left wing vote and let Nicola in can we?
        
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        August 11, 2019 1:50pm
    - 3-coil
      
      Thorndon.
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:12am
- MrTips
  
  Your friend needs different friends, apart from you of course
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  I wonder what the smug tart thinks happens to her turd when she smugly pulls the chain on her shitter.
  
  https://wellington.govt.nz/services/environment-and-waste/sewerage-and-wastewater/sewage-discharges/heavy-rainfall-discharges
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And I suppose she poops every day…..
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/poop-every-other-day-to-save-the-planet-brazilian-president-says.html
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:09am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      My Dear Departed Dad, who was as regular as clockwork, always used to say “If you don’t eat, you don’t shit, and if you don’t shit, you die”.
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:29am
  - peterwn
    
    She would think that there is no way it should be allowed to escape the sewage system. It would cost a fortune in more sewage pipe capacity, treatment capacity and ultra secure backup power supplies for pumps (some sewage has to be pumped uphill) to eliminate escapes, but they will still happen.
    
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    August 11, 2019 1:55pm
- RightNow
  
  I’m going to guess she does a lot of air travel but justifies it by voting Green.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  srylands, I would have (in the most civilised manner of course) have mentioned that cling wrap is one of the most hygienic products to be invented. Imagine the kitchen in most cafes having to leave their fish, meat and desserts uncovered in fridges? Nay, I would have been forthright and scanned her premises for any sign of turtle choking plastic, then explained her idiocy. Maybe this is why I have few Green friends.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:44am
- tf78
  
  srylands, I can’t wait until these idiots start getting food poisoning because of incorrectly stored food – it won’t be long if that’s the way they carry on.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Same with the “reusable” shopping bags we’re all meant to bring every time we go for a shop , think of the x contamination from fresh chicken and meat products ……..
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:46am
    - srylands
      
      If you use one of these renewable bags a dozen times they will be riddled with bacteria.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:09am
    - Lizziep
      
      I think kowtow that you are supposed to use the veg free thin plastic bags Hahaha to pop your chicken in before the chicken goes into your cloth carry bag. Oh the irony of it.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:26am
      - RightNow
        
        I just take extra bags from the vege department and pack my groceries in them.
        
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        August 11, 2019 11:47am
      - srylands
        
        I asked for a 20 cent paper bag yesterday. Checkout person filled it and the bottom fell out.
        
        I just cannot reconcile banning shopping bags in supermarkets that are a sea of plastic.
        
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        August 11, 2019 12:00pm
      - sooty
        
        I hope they gave you another one for selling you a faulty one!
        
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        August 11, 2019 12:29pm
      - Hollyfield
        
        When Countdown offers me a paper bag I tell them I cannot support cutting down trees and neither should they. They usually say nothing to that, but when they say paper can be recycled I reply that so can plastic – in fact several Countdown stores have a “park bench” for customers use which are made out of recycled Countdown plastic bags.
        
        Also agree with taking fruit & vege plastic bags for meat products and esp chicken, before putting them in my reusable bag that I apparently have to use every week for 107 years to offset the environmental cost of producing it.
        
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        August 11, 2019 3:36pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      kowtow, Mrs HK and I have both remarked on the stupidity of people taking their own containers to supermarkets and getting food from the deli counter. We are waiting for someone to get food poisoning and blame the supermarket.
      
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      August 11, 2019 6:49pm
- The Feed
  
  Of course it was in Wellington.
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:37pm
- coge
  
  Luckily I didn’t attend…. “DENIER!!”
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:20pm
Happychappy

Has anyone else noted that their is very little media coverage on Labour since the sex assualt in the PM’ office hit the news last week. Do you think the media have been shut down purposely to get away from the bad press they were getting.
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August 11, 2019 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  Happy, the media were grabbed by the balls over the mosque trial and they squeaked obligingly. In this case I imagine they also have favoured their low hangers.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:46am
  - sooty
    
    Picture in YSB of Cindy wagging finger at reporter saying. “Do not question me, or you will not be on the next island trip”
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:26am
    - Paulus
      
      New York shopping photo trip next – so behave !
      
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      August 11, 2019 1:29pm
- chaos
  
  Labour are currently in discussions with the Clintons on how to deal with the constant sex allegations labour face. Bill and Hillary will be here soon for a tour to deal with all labour victims
  
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  August 11, 2019 1:56pm
- Scooter
  
  The Govt/JA would never dictate what the media report would they?
  
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  August 11, 2019 6:07pm
Maggie Pie

Anthony Bourdain has company.
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August 11, 2019 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  MP, and Michael Jackson will sing them nursery rhymes.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:48am
- chaos
  
  There were a lot of stories going around that Anthony was working on exposing a high level pedophile ring, hmmmm
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:51am
  - Inandout
    
    chaos, was Anthony working on a ‘Chef’s Special’?
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:21am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Haitian cheese pizza?
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Clintons got him
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:43am
    - Scott
      
      Steve Otto – my understanding is that the Clintons are very upset about all their friends that have committed suicide! ?
      https://www.instagram.com/p/B0_K4kuAvKt/?igshid=1vhm6u3ffndjb
      
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      August 11, 2019 3:53pm
MickMac

What do their chromosomes say?
This is so simple, why don’t people see it?

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/05/06/8th-place-high-school-girls-speak-out-on-getting-beat-by-biological-boys/?utm_source=engageim
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August 11, 2019 9:38am
- Inandout
  
  Mickmac, ironically it has taken parents from a Muslim dominated primary school in the UK to sort out this gender bender crap. They have objected to their children being force fed gender crap by the UK school system. This will get ugly because the Left are hamstrung by divided loyalties; LGBTXD or Islam.
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Watch Zuby take out the British Women’s deadlift record (without trying):
  
  https://www.rt.com/sport/454984-trans-sport-issue-zuby/
  
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  August 11, 2019 9:58am
  - emmess
    
    Candace Owens interviews him here. I haven’t watched it but I will now.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snVPjWYAdEg
    #StunningAndBrave
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:16am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NEW ZEALAND URBAN DEVELOPMENT: Riveting political reading …

Urban Development – Phil Twyford – NZ Govt / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/portfolio/labour-led-government-2017-2020/urban-development

Did we really vote for the Labour – led government to go on holiday for 3 years back in late 2017 ? …

… read the ACTION that should be happening … belatedly …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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August 11, 2019 9:51am
- Tony Stuart
  
  As one who DIDN’T vote for Labour Hugh, I can understand your profound disappointment. It’s good however that the scales have fallen from your eyes.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:07am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Tony Stuart … Your compassion is appreciated.
    
    But … following the previous National – led governments 9 wasted years …
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
    
    … how trusting can we be of the National Party on these issues ?
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:39am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’d suggest you wait until Judith Collins releases details of her proposed RMA reform, and make a comparison Hugh. We already know that David Parker is proposing making climate change a key consideration for every planning decision; where is THAT going to leave developers?
      
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      August 11, 2019 3:04pm
TWEEDSE

At the risk of asking a question already answered can anyone fill me in on the story beind the shutdown of WO and the replacement, TheBFD and what has happened to those who are still subscribing and or donating. Where is the money going?
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August 11, 2019 9:51am
- kowtow
  
  Oh God, you’ll summon up Pete George !
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Amen, amen and amen!
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:24am
- Nookin
  
  Karma happened, TWEEDSE. Believe in it. No need for anything more.
  
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  August 11, 2019 11:10am
- peterwn
  
  Depending on contractural terms, etc the subs belong to the liquidator and some could be deemed to belong to the subscribers. theBFD is honouring subs paid by existing subscribers which means it is taking a financial hit in this regard since theBFD has no basis to claim these residual subs from the liquidator.
  There was much discussion here concerning the ‘ownership’ of the Whaleoil subscription list and for that matter the Disqus list (note that the controlling login’s and associated passwords for the Disqus account is ‘property’).
  Ownership matters will be ‘tested’ in the coming weeks by Matt, Felix and the liquidator.
  As I mentioned earlier I was recently banned from commenting by theBFD. That banning was a arguably a criminal act on behalf of theBFD since its people unlawfully accessed a computer system (to wit the Disqus system) using a login that was not their property to ban me in the Disqus system. Only the liquidator or his/her assignee had the lawful authority to ban me in the relevant account in the Disqus system. I will let Felix know about this tomorrow.
  So this muddy pig is still enjoying it to the detriment of theBFD people.
  
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  August 11, 2019 2:29pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘ matter the Disqus list (note that the controlling login’s and associated passwords for the Disqus account is ‘property’
    Sigh, I’m afraid I have to call it.
    You’re an idiot.
    Any blog can register with Discus to have Discus member sign in to use it.
    WOBF doesn’t ‘own’ Discus members.
    This has been explained to you multiple times but you still don’t seem to get it.
    Now you are calling being banned a ‘criminal act’
    Lol
    Do you not understand TheBFD is a separate website and nothing to do with Whaleoil.
    Are you retarded? It certainly looks so.
    
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    August 11, 2019 7:19pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Here.
      This might enlighten your embarrassing ignorance about Disqus.
      But feel free to complain to the Police about the criminal act of you being blocked.
      I’m sure they’ll appreciate the laugh
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disqus
      
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      August 11, 2019 7:30pm
    - Pete George
      
      “TheBFD is a separate website and nothing to do with Whaleoil”
      
      So why does whaleoil.net.nz have show this…
      
      Information
      
      We have new home visit The BFD.
      
      Don’t believe everything you read online, just login and enjoy.
      
      ..and link to The BFD?
      
      Why does @Whaleoil @CamSlater on Twitter have http://www.thebfd.co.nz as it’s website and now solely consist of links to posts at The BFD?
      
      Why does Cam Slater @whaleoil on Twitter have thebfd.co.nz s it’s website, and consists solely now as a promoter of TheBFD posts?
      
      I suspect that retarded idiots may be able to see some sort of a connection. Maybe also judges.
      
      There’s also a matter of subscribers and donors being solicited without being given any disclosure about the current financial and legal situation.
      
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      August 11, 2019 7:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Why does @Whaleoil @CamSlater on Twitter have http://www.thebfd.co.nz as it’s website and now solely consist of links to posts at The BFD?”
        
        Because he can. You can’t stop him promoting whatever he likes.The Liquidator doesn’t own any of that.
        Say, how is the WhaleMeat Company going?
        I hear pretty good.
        
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        August 12, 2019 2:24pm
      - Pete George
        
        That was referring to your claim”Do you not understand TheBFD is a separate website and nothing to do with Whaleoil.”
        
        You now seem to understand there are obvious connections.
        
        Good to hear he’s well enough to be doing things.
        
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        August 12, 2019 3:44pm
    - Martin Williams
      
      Do you not understand TheBFD is a separate website and nothing to do with Whaleoil.
      
      Lol. Are you retarded? It certainly looks so.
      
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      August 11, 2019 9:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You two are pretty stupid.
        As long as Slater is not a Shareholder or Director then The BFD is fine.
        Legally they are separate entities.
        The fact that the same writers left to the new blog is meaningless.
        The Liquidator doesn’t own them- or their work.
        The writers could duplicate their work on The BFD BECAUSE THEY OWN THAT WORK.
        The ignorance about the Law you guys are showing is amazing.
        ‘We have a new home’
        Writers informing their audience they have moved is just the same as someone who worked for newshub now stating they work for The Herald or whatever.
        To conflate that as theiving or misappropriation is just moronic.
        
        I see the lightweight George is still saying Toon is an Officer of the Court too, when she isn’t.
        I see you’ve also misappropriated my comments too.
        Lol
        Got you real triggered eh.
        Still, being savaged by the Beige Badger is akin to being gummed by a 80yo- but enough about your Mum!
        Face it. The BFD is still going and you’re impotent about being able to do anything about it
        LOL.
        
        Ps. Hope that other Bush Lawyer, Peter keeps us up to date on his CRIMINAL CHARGES against The BFD for using their Disqus Moderation tool to block him
        Sooooo funny.
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:47pm
Yvette

An issue mentioned yesterday by some kiwiblog contributors –

If two-month-old baby girl Sapphire died with an alcohol level more than six times the legal blood alcohol limit for an adult driver, and the cross-over via breastfeeding is about 5 to 6 percent of the amount of alcohol in the mother’s bloodstream, would the mother’s alcohol level therefore be 20 times Sapphie’s 5% portion, so the baby being six times the legal limit, would suggest the mother’s level was 120 times the legal limit – if that is physically possible – or should the mother be dead too?

Or is that calculation wrong, are the cross-over via breastfeeding facts wrong, or there is some other explanation?

[ https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322631.php link, supplied by Chuk yesterday, to “Research shows that only about 5 to 6 percent of the amount of alcohol in the mother’s bloodstream enters the baby’s bloodstream via breast milk”. ]
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August 11, 2019 9:55am
- rightoverlabour
  
  There is something here that does not make sense. I know that Babies contract HIV from breastmilk, but this is the first time a baby has supposedly died of alcohol poisoning from breast milk that I have seen reported. With the way some ferrel scum drink, there should be lot more dead babies.
  
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  August 11, 2019 11:59am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The other explanation is the feral mother and her scum mates fed Sapphire and her twin sister booze, either to shut them up or to amuse themselves.
  Looks more to me like someone has got away with murder – again.
  I’d like to see evidence the twins were breastfed at all. It isn’t common for these feral women to do so as it takes commitment and bonding which interfere with the lifestyle.
  Nothing pisses me off more than responsible people being belted over the head with public health warnings when stupid people do evil things.
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:24pm
- Pharmachick
  
  The baby may have been fed alcohol directly. Blood levels in mum approximate milk levels. Meaning of the TOTAL dose ingested by Mum, 5-6% gets to baby. However, alcohol metabolism in neonates in 50% or less than that of adults, so toxic accumulation in the neonate is also likely.
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24118767
  
  This is my [sub] specialty within DM/PK – developmental pharmacology of pregnancy, neonates and kids.
  
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  August 11, 2019 2:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Pharmachick
    Is my hypothesis plausible:
    
    If the baby was fed alcohol directly some hours before its death, alcohol would not be in stomach contents… but would have already entered bloodstream and the excess not yet metabolised was appearing in organ tissues (heart and liver ).
    
    (Many years since I did Biochem -Stage 2, but did have Prof. R.D. Batt as a lecturer)
    
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    August 11, 2019 3:23pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      @Maggy – its very hard to tell…
      
      here are some back of the envelope calculations:
      
      If the mother was drinking RTD bourbon and coke at 7% alcohol thats 7% X 250 mL = 17.5 ml alcohol per drink. Using the conversion 1 g = 1 ml (which is water, alcohol is actually slightly lighter, as its organic but I will use this conversion to be conservative) that would be 17.5 g alcohol per drink.
      
      17.5 X 18 drinks = 315 g (mL) alcohol.
      
      315 * 6% (0.06) = 18.6 g (mL) alcohol.
      
      Now, its not that simple because the minute one starts to ingest, one also starts to eliminate (that’s what peeing a pooing is). Also, those grams of alcohol will be ingested, and distributed round the body diluting the absolute concentration (biodistribution) and then again by elimination.
      
      Here’s where it gets really problematic … the enzymes that biotranform and eliminate alcohol in the human body (alcohol dehydrogenase, aldehyde dehydrogenase and CYP2e1) are primarily int he liver and lesser so in the kidney and they are low capacity, even in adults… so they saturate quickly and then instead of first order elimination (i.e. the alcohol is removed proportionate to dose), then zero orders elimination occurs (i.e. alcohol is removed at a constant rate, that may be far less than the ingested dose) … from your biochemistry days first order is Michaelis-Menten Kinetics, Zero Order is exponential/non-linear kinetics.
      
      The little one, with only 50% or less of adult enzymes, will hit zero order exponentially faster (not an accident of words) than the mum. And so…
      
      Hope than answers your Q.
      
      It is a tragedy.
      
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      August 11, 2019 4:11pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      PS: alcohol will leave stomach contents within a couple hours. It has a VERY high Ka (kinetic constant of absorption).
      A
      
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      August 11, 2019 4:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Cheers,
        Txs
        
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        August 11, 2019 5:26pm
Morrissey

The depravity of people who abuse animals, and break their limbs

It’s already a monstrous crime to beat up old men—but sheep?

Why sheep? What have they done?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubo_jaRrb0
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August 11, 2019 9:59am
- Nermal
  
  They beat up the sheep to annoy their boyfriends
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:42pm
kevn

@sry… Ask the host where her old junk mail/newspapers are? Just something to stop the flies landing.
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August 11, 2019 10:01am
Tony Stuart

10am news – two people have been taken to hospital after a car crashed into a South Auckland bakery this morning. They must have been gluten intolerant 😀
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August 11, 2019 10:05am
Brian McDonald

Don’t mention the rugby. The AB’s pack didn’t front up against the boks, at least in the first half and continued to struggle with the rushing defence in the 2nd. The Aussies played out of their skins last night and were close to bullying the AB pack. Next week will be a beauty. No excuses but thinking about the send off, if you put a right shoulder into an opponent your left arm does not move. Need to slow down the video but I think Barrett may have slipped as the player came forward against him and to Barrett’s left, but clearly in the video last night Barrett’s left arm was coming up in commitment to a tackle, not a shoulder charge where only the shoulder connecting with the player is driven forward. Come on Tony tell me I am wrong.
Our attack looked a notch or 2 better with the 1st five fullback changes settling, bit of a worry over the midfield injuries but the stand in centre proved once again why he is an All Black. Dane Coles looks back to his best, but that pack has to lift and leave the stupid penalties out. Although we didn’t seen Ensor last night, he, Bridges and the new Fijian winger are top wild cards on attack and shag will no doubt develop that.
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August 11, 2019 10:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You’re wrong Brian. Barrett’s shoulder made contact with Hooper’s head and neck, and the referee’s decision to issue a red card was 100% correct in law, as World Rugby has written it.
  
  I am always nervous with French referees. I don’t think the excitable Latin temperament is always conducive to sound decision-making, and it worries me a little that the All Blacks’ first three matches at RWC 2019 will have Frenchmen on the whistle.
  
  Coles was my All Black player of the match, with Read, ALB and Savea also having massive games, although Savea blotted his copybook with the stupid push on Hooper late in the first half. We really missed Retallick last night, and I don’t quite know how the All Blacks will cover his absence this week. The other big concern is the lack of form of Reiko Ioane, and I would be tempted to play Ennor and Reese next weekend on the wings, Smith back to #15, and Barrett starting at #10.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:16am
  - Morrissey
    
    I am always nervous with French referees. I don’t think the excitable Latin temperament is always conducive to sound decision-making,
    
    The “excitable Latin temperament”? What, then, did you make of the excitable South African Andre Watson, who destroyed the 1999 RWC final by refusing to play advantage? And it wasn’t an “excitable Latin” referee who ruined that farcical 2011 final—it was another South African, the infamous “absentee” ref Craig Joubert.
    
    … it worries me a little that the All Blacks’ first three matches at RWC 2019 will have Frenchmen on the whistle.
    
    You should contact the All Blacks’ management and tell them that organized cheating probably won’t work this time.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&t=133s
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:46am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t agree about the red card nor do I understand the reason for not reversing the Savea penalty when Hooper retaliated. Generally retaliation gets the penalty reversed.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:46am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Well if that’s the law, but wasn’t deliberate to my mind – you can’t shoulder charge with one arm for impact and be swinging the other – impossible. Yep, captain had a massive game. Note that Ioane was looking for work and the backline is not settled yet. That’s the big question for the week, will the backs revert or will shag keep to his plan – hard to answer because he’s the boss and he doesn’t panic. We didn’t win up front and you can’t water that down, and we have to this week whoever is playing. If Retallick is out that’s rugby – but Tuipoluto (sp?) was awesome off the bench as he has been other times this year. Just a couple of degrees off.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:54am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Yes, the retaliation gets the penalty. Not the 1st infringer, thought we might have seen a yellow card against the aussie captain for that.
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:27am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      World Rugby issued new instructions to referees a month ago concerning contact to the head and neck. WR has effectively removed any discretion referees could previously apply, and they are directed to issue red cards.
      
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      August 11, 2019 12:02pm
- Morrissey
  
  I think Barrett may have slipped….
  
  What absolute nonsense. Are you perchance a New Zealand rugby “journalist”?
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:38am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Morrissey, what is it with you? Even when you are on the correct side of the argument (rare), you always have to play the nasty card.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:03am
    - Morrissey
      
      Sorry, Cap’n. You’re right—I need to calm down.
      
      Love ya, man.
      
      https://media1.tenor.com/images/b54ca60562cd613dfc43bca55a15a3b4/tenor.gif?itemid=7298734
      
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      August 11, 2019 11:06am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  When was the last time the All Blacks were beaten by 21 points or more? It is beyond my memory.
  
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  August 11, 2019 11:18am
  - Pharmachick
    
    2016 agains Ireland at Soldier Field in Chicago
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_rugby_union_Test_matches
    
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    August 11, 2019 2:34pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Thank you for bringing that link to our attention. 21 points equals the biggest thrashing the All Blacks have ever endured. Aussie beat NZ by 21 points on 28th August 1999. The next worst was South Africa beating NZ by 17 points on 30th June 1928.
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:57pm
Maggie Pie

It’s worth recapping. Just WHO was Jeffrey Epstein?

J.K. Trotter reports for Gawker:

‘A billionaire pervert, yes, an ex convict, friend to the rich & famous, and allegedly, the possessor of an egg-shaped penis’ 🙁

https://gawker.com/billionaire-pervert-jeffrey-epstein-and-his-famous-frie-1679246399
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August 11, 2019 10:11am
- chaos
  
  If only those who have been silenced in nz would talk. We have the Labour Party youth camp. A sexual abuser and possible rapist in the pm office. Darren Hughes. The rumours on why a former pm husband was deported from New York. And these are just the ones we know off.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:27am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    These deviates will continue unabated. If you wish something away not to exist, the predators know they can continue and there will be no consequences.
    Using fairy dust and reality have different outcomes.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:46am
    - Morrissey
      
      These deviates [sic] will continue unabated.
      
      The word is “deviants.”
      
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      August 11, 2019 10:58am
      - Jack5
        
        “Deviate” has a specific legal meaning in the US:
        
        https://definitions.uslegal.com/d/deviate-sexual-intercourse/
        
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        August 11, 2019 11:24am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Deviate (as a noun) is a synonym of deviant.
        
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        August 11, 2019 1:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        So, Maggy Pie, that is physical proof Epstein was a bad egg.
        
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        August 11, 2019 1:56pm
      - herb1
        
        Wrong Deviate is a term referring to “ members of left wing political parties , particularly senior operatives and political leaders , who believe in different lifestyles for themselves and different rules for those not of their political persuasion”
        
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        August 11, 2019 1:56pm
  - Inandout
    
    chaos, Hughes and Peter are well documented by certain quarters, and the evidence will eventually resurface.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:59am
  - mark15
    
    Deported from New York…that doesn’t happen every day
    
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    August 11, 2019 1:22pm
- Inandout
  
  One mistake here I think in that Alan Dershowitz was not named originally as an ‘offender’, but after a certain woman was coerced into naming him. The ‘broad brush’ is something Trump has had to endure since his role as President. Representing pure garbage clients is the role of defence lawyers.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:54am
  - Morrissey
    
    Except, in the case of the notorious and discredited Dershowitz, his clients—even Trump and Epstein (R.I.P.)—are less “garbage” than he is.
    
    Dershowitz is a liar and a plagiarist. He was memorably exposed publicly by Norman Finkelstein….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6To-o-aiRg
    
    https://www.democracynow.org/2007/4/17/noam_chomsky_accuses_alan_dershowitz_of
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:11am
  - Jules99
    
    While I am keeping an open mind, Dershowitz is behaving very oddly if he is involved. Even though he is (or was) a leftie, he has been attacked after making some positive comments about Trump. Not long after the accusations come out. I await the actual evidence to make up my mind.
    
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    August 11, 2019 11:24am
The King

The official story:

1. The guards that were stationed to watch Epstein were told to leave the area due to ‘maintenance.’
2. The security camera broke during that time.
3. Epstein committed suicide.

Hahaha.

Aww man this is too good.
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August 11, 2019 10:33am
- Inandout
  
  TK, one hopes it wasn’t painless.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Jeffrey Epstein’s prison guards call for an Ambulance:
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBpCMQpWsAUAjdc?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:57am
chaos

Some links that are worth looking at

Conspiracy if silence, a uk doco that looked in to the child sex rings and how they went as fast as the White House

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lB-NldbQSLo

Johnny Gosch Foundation. His story is shocking, down to the law enforcement not wanting to investigate. Death threats to the mother. JJohnny coming back as an adult to tell his mother about the high level child sex ring he was taken into.

http://www.johnnygosch.com/
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August 11, 2019 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  All youtube stuff needs to be at first taken with a grain of salt.
  
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  August 11, 2019 10:57am
  - chaos
    
    I dont believe a doc made by a uk broadcaster in 1993 runs any risk of being a YouTube creation
    
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    August 11, 2019 2:00pm
Maggie Pie

As you might expect – Twitter’s on fire! 🙂

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1160298731192881152
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August 11, 2019 11:11am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Got to love this one! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBpS1JyUYAA4Qbm.png
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:03pm
Jack5

Jonesy, MP, here’s your route to getting your tree goal of 100 million trees a year. In India on Friday, Indians planted 220 million trees by 5pm. That is 220 million trees in one day.

A million Indians took part. Maybe Jones could organise return fares and a day’s work. Bring your own sleeping bags and tents.

https://news.yahoo.com/indians-plant-220-million-trees-125759390.html
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August 11, 2019 11:22am
- Yvette
  
  Jack5
  In a Cabinet paper presented last August, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones said, “For example, if the recent 95 per cent replanting rate was maintained over the next decade, this would equate to 770m trees.” – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200823
  
  If commercial forestry plant 770m trees over the next decade, it will leave Shane needing to plant only 230m to meet the 1 billion target.
  If the Indians did the job for Shane, they could knock off 220 million trees by 5pm, and an extra 25 minutes would see the last 10m planted, to fill Shane’s promise in one day with just a little overtime.
  
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  August 11, 2019 3:09pm
Rich Prick

You have to admire the Clinton killing machine. Anything to keep dirty ‘ol Bill and dry Hillary from any evidence … democrats are just lovely.
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August 11, 2019 11:40am
- chaos
  
  It is all going to come out. Question is will bill pass over before being arrested
  
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  August 11, 2019 11:46am
- JibberJabber
  
  A gem from Twitter,
  
  John McAfee
  @officialmcafee
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  11h
  I was stunned by Epstein’s suicide, though probably not as much as Epstein himself.
  
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  August 11, 2019 2:17pm
Swifty

Socialism DOES work – Jeremy Corbyn at the Oxford Union:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvAvNJL-gE

A poor and humourless speech – one of the weakest speeches I’ve ever seen at the Union. A pity.
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August 11, 2019 11:47am
- kowtow
  
  Could you smell the envy off his breath ?
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:57pm
Tony Stuart

New Zealand Rugby’s elephant in the room; after sixteen years around the team and eight as head coach, has Steve Hansen lost the dressing room?

My son suggested this to me when I texted him after the match last night, and although I initially dismissed it, it’s played on my mind this morning, and I think the question needs to be asked. One thing is for sure though; Ian Foster’s stocks as Hansen’s potential successor have taken a massive hit.
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August 11, 2019 12:06pm
- GazzaW
  
  Hansen is doing just fine – the missing factor is Wayne Smith.
  
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  August 11, 2019 12:47pm
- barnacle bill
  
  We should hope so, TS.
  
  There will be new union CEO, coach and selectors after the RWC.
  
  I cannot think of any reason why Foster would become the AB coach.
  
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  August 11, 2019 1:55pm
- Jack5
  
  Send for Razor Robertson.
  
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  August 11, 2019 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

When this just popped up on my twitter, i asked my partner what he thought about it?

He said, “It’s EXACTLY what I was thinking ”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBnYWtlWkAEicXs?format=jpg&name=small
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August 11, 2019 2:18pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Lets put it this way, in that part of the world, anything including Alien Abduction could be feasible. There is no way mere mortals will ever really know the truth. But I would rate suicide as the lowest plausible theory.
  
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  August 11, 2019 3:22pm
chaos

Some interesting articles

“According to reports Epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/report-jeffrey-epstein-told-authorities-someone-tried-to-kill-him-in-previous-incident-in-july/

“Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself”

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

Bahahaha

“Trump retweets post implying Bill Clinton behind Jeffrey Epstein’s death”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald-trump-bill-clinton-jeffrey-epstein-suicide-theory

Worth the laugh

“MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough Blames RUSSIA for Epstein’s Death”

https://newspunch.com/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-blames-russia-epsteins-death/
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August 11, 2019 2:23pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Ha ha, the Epstein conspiracies are kicking off,
  
  https://twitter.com/Margare39219153/status/1160366195155046400
  
  This is gonna be bigger than JFK.
  
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  August 11, 2019 4:54pm
  - chaos
    
    I’m waiting for the headline “Prince Andrew has died in a car accident in a Paris tunnel……”.
    
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    August 11, 2019 6:03pm
rightoverlabour

As an Aucklander I am starting to warm towards Tamihere https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/114916614/auckland-mayoral-candidate-john-tamihere-plans-hotline-to-report-beggars

I love this part: “Under my mayoralty, you will be able to ring 0800 JACINDA (5224632) and a person all loving and caring that knows everything about your wellbeing will answer the phone…”
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August 11, 2019 2:29pm
- Martin Williams
  
  You know he’s Maori, right?
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Closed and Opaque – JAG
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018707861/the-battle-of-two-julie-annes-mps-roles-and-the-public-interest
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August 11, 2019 2:30pm
MrTips

Tamihere’ s hit it out of the park this time. Dial 0800JACINDA to speak to a homeless ex-Labour staffer. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257555

Not sure if he’s taking the Michael but it could easily be construed as a dig at the bullshit “well being” CoL fail.
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August 11, 2019 2:44pm
Captain Mainwaring

How do clowns like this get to make public statements?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114868008/call-to-lower-voting-age-in-new-zealand-to-16

What does he want – a permanent Labour/Green Government? Even 18 is too young – their brains are not fully developed.
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August 11, 2019 2:59pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘If the voters in Hamilton City Council’s 2016 election were represented by a room of ten people, only three of them would have voted and most of those would have been land owners, over 50 and privileged.’
  
  So another f#cking marxist academic .
  
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  August 11, 2019 4:22pm
- MCos
  
  From my observation there are few people fully capable of making sufficiently informed and nuanced decisions about who to vote for at any age.
  In that respect there’s probably plenty of 16 year olds as qualified as anyone and plenty of much older people who aren’t.
  A lot of people would vote for an imbecile if they were the right party. Even one of the leaders has described a colleague as useless.
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:51pm
MickMac

97% ?
If another Greenie states this to me, I might need legal representation..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSrjAXK5pGw
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August 11, 2019 3:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ross Meurant is running a big ad in the weekend Gisborne Herald asking whether Gizzy folk reckon he should run for Mayor.

(I can’t seem to provide a link to the ad)

Anyway….The man was in town this week, launching his novel set in this region.
http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/4206228-135/politics-police-corruption
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August 11, 2019 3:34pm
Straight arrow

Simon Bridges tweeted today…
“The racist abuse of police at Ihumatao has been disgraceful. Having interfered a couple weeks back, the PM needs to show leadership, back our Police & tell protestors to go home so some houses can get built.”

Electoral implications.
Those who support Ihumatao Nimbys likely to be Labour or Green voters anyway. If Ardern supports Fletchers and Iwi then some of these voters may swing to Greens (as they back protesters). Marginal Labour seat MPs and those low on list may be concerned, although voters will still be left-voting. Bear in mind that the number of voters concerned enough to swap parties on this issue are quite small I would imagine. Other voters, with no skin in game, will ignore Ihumatao as to deciding who to vote for (status quo situation to them).

If Ardern backs, or is perceived to back, protestors then she will lose some votes to Greens (as she was late to party), but not as many as above. However, she may lose a lot more voters to ACT, Nats and NZF as these voters may be concerned about (their) private land rights being possibly infringed, as well as wasting $36m on non-usable land (instead of, say, cancer drugs). In addition, businesses will be less inclined to buy and develop land as risk of another Ihumatao, i.e. jobs may be affected, housing delayed. NZF and ACT will be playing these concerns up.

By this reasoning, Ardern needs to back Fletchers and rule of law, and now it looks like Bridges forced her to do it.
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August 11, 2019 4:06pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Quick, Jacinda, show some leadership by doing nothing!
  
  No wonder 95% of Kiwis don’t think Bridges is PM material.
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:22pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Do you actually read what you write?
    
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    August 11, 2019 7:03pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    No wonder 99.98% of Kiwis think Martin Williams is a total fuckwit.
    
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    August 11, 2019 7:39pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You gotta laugh at the sad bugger. He’s living in awe of one of the stupidest politicians we have seen in a long long time. You could almost pity him but I’d rather not just remind him that his “team” is heading back to 25% in 2020 whether Simon is liked or not, his team is a winner.
      
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      August 11, 2019 8:05pm
- Happychappy
  
  Her response was to dribble more bullshit.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/news/politics
  You can Listen to her waffling on the link.
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:35pm
  - Inandout
    
    More bobbing head from our princess:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBM5twmSjI
    
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    August 11, 2019 6:12pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Well put. It is beyond nauseating now. This is not leadership.
    
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    August 11, 2019 6:21pm
  - sooty
    
    Who dribbles more the baybee or it’s mother?
    
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    August 11, 2019 7:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    See above, that’s martin’s little moron you’re talking about. Doesn’t say much for martin does it?
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:12pm
- JibberJabber
  
  She`s off back up to the Islands this week apparently.
  No longer a part-time PM just been promoted to casual.
  
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  August 11, 2019 7:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    She’s up to Tuvalu on Wednesday for the Pacific Island Leaders’ Forum.
    
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    August 11, 2019 10:16pm
Monique Watson

Manhunt Op *3 underway in Christchurch.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114917527/police-hunting-three-violent-criminals-on-the-loose-in-canterbury
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August 11, 2019 4:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yep, its like i said here last week, Chch has become a free-range asylum.
  Any normal person should move north to Auckland and get out of the joint before they vote Minto in for mayor.. 🙁
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:11pm
- niggly
  
  So according to the article & pictures, the Police are hunting a “Black Power” brown supremacist, a white supremacist and a “South Island Independence” supremacist (also known as a Canterbury supporter)??!! 😉
  
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  August 11, 2019 5:27pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Ardern has held a press conference re the Kiwibank robbery:
  “The Government has held meetings, as a working group, with Kiwibank, the police, and local council to see if we can facilitate a way forward, as things have escalated in recent times around the dispute about the holding of cash in Christchurch. We want to have a conversation about this.
  
  “We recognise that the young person who robbed the bank has a strong connection with the money. We understand other people will be coming to Canterbury to support the robber, and we ask that when they rob Kiwibank that they do so in a peaceful and respectful way.”
  
  Makes more sense if you listen to her talk about Itumatao as per link from happychappy above.
  
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  August 11, 2019 6:18pm
Cobolt24

Mexico detains migrant children in cramped holding center in prison-like conditions despite court ruling | Reuters
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-mexico-idUSKCN1UZ2C2

Nobody cares about this due to not being able to score cheap “political points”
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August 11, 2019 5:01pm
- chaos
  
  Safer there for them than near a Democrat
  
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  August 11, 2019 6:02pm
Happychappy

I seems like Jacinda Ardern and Justin Trudeau have the same transparency and integrity in Politics as both are finding people are not happy that now neither are living up to their promises that both PM’s made after being elected.
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/brassard-trudeau-government-as-transparent-as-a-brick-wall/amp.
I wonder whether either will be punished for their lies at the next Election.
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August 11, 2019 6:23pm
hullkiwi

Stephie, you still there? you can hit the snooze button.

Below is a message from the weekly newsletter of the principal of our son’s school.

The school is Martin’s Rodney area.

Most of you will know that I am not a politically focused principal. I wear my heart on my sleeve and work relentlessly to ensure that our students have the quality teaching that they deserve. A lot of hard work as a team has been done to ensure that we have quality teachers, quality environments, and currently I am working with the Ministry to ensure that we also have quality Learning Spaces.

I was saddened and angered this week at the announcement from Tracey Martin regarding the new “Learning Support Coordinators” that have been rolled out to select schools. Yes, as you can guess, we are not one of the schools who were allocated any resource towards supporting our precious students.

The Learning Support Coordinators are, in my opinion, a political spin to look good in the face of the voters, but the reality is that the introduction of these positions will have little to no effect for our students – even if we had been lucky enough to get one. The learning support coordinators are an extra layer of bureaucracy that cost this government $216 million over 4 years. They will be hands-off people that shuffle bits of paper and “upskill” our teachers.

We, as a teaching profession, have been crying out for more resourcing at ground level to support our students better. The reality is that this sum of money could have given each school in New Zealand a full time Learning Support Assistant (TA) for the 4 year period. We do not need more upper level workers, we need hands in our classrooms.

Our school Board recognises the importance of contact time, and allocates a significant part of the budget – supported by you and the rest of our community – to support our students, both neurotypical and neuro diverse. This funding however is still not enough, and we spend hours searching and fighting for more funding for our students of need. I often am faced with the statement – “You really are a fierce advocate for your students”, well, yes, I am and we can collectively see the benefits of that. We have happy, engaged, students who are learning new and exciting things.

I had a meeting with the Ministry last week, and the person I had the meeting with told me that the Ministry had yet again cut the hours they would fund to support some of our students. The total funding they are currently supplying is 12 hours a week for 3 students, so in essence 45 minutes of support per student per day. Their suggestion was gobsmacking – if I was unable to provide adequate “babysitting” to ensure the students were safe, I should (a) pool the funding and allocate it to the single most needy, and (b) get our senior students to look after the highest need during class time, because at least with 12 hours I had all of morning tea and lunch covered. Needless to say, the fierce advocate came out and we have been allocated a meagre 25 hours more.

So, I guess, why I am rabbiting on today is really to say this – your kids are in good hands, our teachers are awesome, our Learning Support Assistants are amazing, and everyone is working tirelessly to ensure our students have good educational outcomes. I am disillusioned about the promises that we are made regarding our schools, and endlessly gobsmacked by the ability of the media and government to pull the wool over the eyes of everyday kiwis.
If you would like to read more about the Learning Support Action Plan, information can be found here. https://conversation.education.govt.nz/conversations/learning-support-action-plan/
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August 11, 2019 6:59pm
Komata

Coboolt24@1710

As you say, cue outraged Hollywood and music-world celebrities, AOC, Pelosi, Obama, Warren et al, along with 99% of the media….

Oh, wait, they’re ONLY Mexicans…

(Crickets, anyone)?
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August 11, 2019 7:01pm
tranquil

With the abysmal, gutless performance of the ABs last night in Perth, I’d say they have as much chance of winning the World Cup as a Clydesdale has of winning the Melbourne Cup.
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August 11, 2019 8:50pm
- cha
  
  August 2011 – losses against SA and AU.
  October 2011 -RWC win.
  August 2015 – lost to AU.
  October 2015- RWC win.
  August 2019- lost to AU
  November 2019 – ?
  
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