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Souvlaki

Note to Matthew Hooton:
Please sort out the Deputy leader of National stat !
If this article in Herald is not FAKE news…Nats doomed. It reinforces the burgeoning impression Kaye is a PC Woke/social media driven flake !( perhaps that’s the purpose of the article ?? )
Here is Goldsmith making a pithy, humorous and importantly, TRUE statement about Ardern “sticking to her knitting” ( translation for the stupid : “ mind your own business”) and Kaye reportedly telling him to pull his head in . WTF??? Is she totally unaware of how her foolish intervention looks ?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12338552
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June 10, 2020 8:00am
- JibberJabber
  
  Maybe Goldsmith should have told Ardern to “stay in her lane”.
  That is now the appropriate response to somebody who speaks on issues they know nothing about, apparently.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:13am
  - brett68
    
    It’s what the smarter politician would say, the same result without the sexist spin.
    
    I just despair at how bad national are at politics.
    
    The PM shouldn’t be sticking her oar in and should cop a massive serve and deservedly so.
    The way the warehouse operates is none of her business
    
    But, surprise!, the narrative is no longer about that, it’s now about what Goldsmith said, it’s just so dumb and unnecessary.
    
    National makes my head hurt.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:57am
  - Random T Person
    
    No,Goldsmith should have told Kaye to fuck off.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:59am
    - Southtop2
      
      Agreed: (copied from the angry Ardern)
      Unfortunately Goldsmith apologized – as an ex-national voter this is why my vote will not be going anywhere near National.
      Currently National remind me of Labour when they were run by Rowling or Palmer – wishy washy – no backbone.
      PLEASE Stand for something?
      Anything and stop apologizing – Stand UP
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:51pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Stay in your lane is too aggressive. It comes across as being very dismissive. It says you don’t have the right to speak whereas stick to your knitting says you don’t know what you’re talking about. They have very different meanings.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:09am
    - JackRabbit
      
      When what is said is clearly and extremely wrong and said by someone who clearly does not know, “C’mon, don’t talk shit, you don’t know what you are talking about” would work for most people, except the “woke” generation and emotionally immature who take offence to everything.
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:18am
    - Unity
      
      Do the media have nothing else to say apart from nitpicking whatever National MPs say? They seem to find something derogatory/sexist in the smallest little thing. Can we please hear something positive from National and leave all the small stuff behind?
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:48pm
      - Sacha
        
        At the moment I’m very conflicted but I’m going to vote Act party vote after having voted for National since Post Norman Kirk. I would have voted for the Bridges/Bennet combination because I detected their strength of purpose – they had a goal for the people of New Zealand, and I liked their no-nonsense approach.
        I like people who speak with the courage of their convictions, though often not agreeing with them. I believe that mature people will have opinions and will express them, and listen to others who express theirs. They are able to differentiate between the serious and the trivial and they don’t embarrass their supporters by indulging in immature criticism of their colleagues.
        Which I guess is why the Muller/Kaye ticket has no appeal for me –
        
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        June 10, 2020 6:07pm
- fernglas
  
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  Her intervention doesn’t look anything like as foolish as Goldsmith’s use of a phrase which he must surely have realised was apt to be construed as sexist. Yet another tone-deaf moment from the opposition.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s been a common english phrase for at least 130 years, unbelievably precious to be complaining about it.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:52am
    - fernglas
      
      It should have been obvious to him that it was able to be construed as a sexist phrase, whatever the etymology. There are plenty of other choices that don’t lend themselves to misinterpretation. Surely he could have thought a bit more carefully before giving the screeching classes ammunition?
      
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      June 10, 2020 9:31am
      - alloytoo
        
        I think it’s incredibly sexist to assume that only women knit.
        
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        June 10, 2020 10:50am
      - kloyd0306
        
        Many of us refuse to ruled by political correctness.
        Your down ticks are our way of telling you to get stuffed. I am telling you directly and without PC to get stuffed.
        
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        June 10, 2020 11:01am
      - fernglas
        
        Always a pleasure to get a rational response to one’s argument. I presume you gave Souvlaki an uptick?
        
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        June 10, 2020 12:19pm
      - cmm
        
        fernglass: Anything you say can be bent and twisted by the screeching classes. Whatever you say will give them ammunition.
        
        Stick to your knitting: So you’re sexist.
        Stay in your lane: So you’re a Car Nazi.
        …
        
        The only way to deal with them is to not engage or just call them out as ridiculous. That defuses their ammunition.
        
        Muller and Kaye are making excuses and apologising all the time, be it for Maga hats or whatever.
        
        Bollocks.
        
        Potential leaders in a time of crisis – even if it is a manufactured crisis – need to be made of sterner stuff than this.
        
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        June 10, 2020 1:27pm
    - Swifty
      
      In 50 years I don’t ever recall hearing it with sexist overtones UN – it is/was used always to denote playing to your strengths/staying with what you’re good at/being careful about branching out in to the unknown and almost always in a business context.
      
      Good grief we’re becoming a feeble lot.
      
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      June 10, 2020 9:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Absolutely nothing wrong with the phrase, “stick to her knitting”.
    
    National dumped Paula Bennett for the Woke Kaye!
    
    Hooton, what hast thou wrought?
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:21am
    - RightFirstTime
      
      I’ll give Hooten until the end of June. By then he will have high tailed it out of Wellington faster than a rat up a drainpipe. (I hope that’s not being unkind to rats).
      
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      June 10, 2020 8:50pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s sexist of you to assume only women knit. In fact many men do, I gave it a go when I was younger, and apparently David Seymour did too.
    
    If he had said “stick to knitting” that would be more dismissive – not in a sexist way but in implying that’s all she can competently do, and would be much closer to the truth.
    
    Everyone knows what “stick to your knitting” means and the issue isn’t whether Goldsmith said something sexist or made a gaffe. The issue is how the recently-funded media are seizing on every opportunity, no matter how slight or non-existent, and shouting and screaming like so many woke harridans. It reminds me of the scene in Life of Brian where the old boy gets stoned to death for saying “this meal would be good enough for Jehovah.” So much of that brilliant movie has come to pass (I want to be a woman, and have babies, etc).
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:58am
    - JackRabbit
      
      It is only the “woke” sensitive and emotionally immature types that get hung up on gender.
      
      When we talk about “mankind”, we are talking about “man” and “woman”. Note both have man in the name to signify the race of mankind.
      
      And born as a man and want to be a woman so get a sex change and then enter into a Lesbian relationship because they like women.???
      
      It’s like not liking Windows, so you buy a Mac but all the software you want to run is Windows based, so you install a Windows Emulator on your Mac, and run Windows. WTF
      
      You get born into this world as a man, be a man, instead of getting hung up on trying to be a woman. God did not make a mistake, the stork was not zones out on P when the person who had gender hangups was born.
      
      Truth be told, we have all had a large number of lives. What’s one lifetime out of many? Deal the hand you’ve been given.
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:28am
- Ruawai
  
  Goldsmith should learn to stand his ground on RNZ and not just go along with the interviewers opinions.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:19am
  - Jack5
    
    To be fair, perhaps Bridges’s ambush has made non-Woke politicians wary of State radio journos with their fingers on the volume knobs.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:23am
    - JackRabbit
      
      “…wary of State radio journos with their fingers on the volume knobs.”
      
      …wary of State radio journo knobs playing with their egos.
      
      Real Journos report the news instead of trying to create it.
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:29am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        …State radio journos playing with their knobs.
        
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        June 10, 2020 4:58pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Hell yes. Do these guys not realize that they should be trying to impress prospective voters, not the woke lefty interviewers.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:40am
- Nukuleka
  
  I share your view Souvlaki about both Paul Goldsmith’s humorous remark and also Nikki Kaye’s pitifully woke reprimand. However a smart operator like Goldsmith must surely know that the lame media are going to pick up on anything they can twist to suit their narrative, be it imagined homophobia, sexism or whatever. Best to think first and avoid providing the ammunition.
  
  And never bloody apologize, Mr Goldsmith.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:23am
- SmokerGuy
  
  Hugely disappointing, they should have ignored the woke idiots having a cry. Completely gutless!
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:28am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  She is not trying to get your vote by that statement. She is trying to win back the voters who have gone to Labour and Jacinda, most of whom are women.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yep
    It’s a fact the Nats need a swing from women to even stand a chance of winning
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:36am
  - Nukuleka
    
    I understand your point, Wayne, but surely she should also be concerned about retaining support from folk like me who abhor the creeping Democrat liberal wokeness that seems to be creeping into the National Party.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:39am
    - brett68
      
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      The sexist old man ranting vote will not be the demographic who wins the election for National.
      
      If anything you’re the reason National will lose and lose badly.
      
      Go vote for the conservatives or Destiny church.
      
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      June 10, 2020 8:48am
      - Swifty
        
        You seem to have a thing about old men.
        
        Care to talk about it?
        
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        June 10, 2020 9:40am
    - Jack5
      
      Pick up one vote and lose two. Mmm.
      
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      June 10, 2020 9:25am
  - Frank the tank
    
    False Logic.
    
    National didn’t lose voters due to being less woke than Cindy therefore they won’t gain votes back by adopting the same virtue signalling.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:04am
  - cmm
    
    Surely it would have been better to say something like: “What is your problem with knitting? Plenty people of all genders and sexual orientations knit.”
    
    I suspect that Goldsmith is not a misogynist sexist person, but by apologising they are accepting the criticism that he is, and by extension they are.
    
    Now if they want to attract back the sort of woman that thinks Goldsmith was sexist they better push him down the list (or even better right off the list). Have a little purge of anyone who isn’t woke-safe.
    
    Isn’t that what you’re basically arguing?
    
    You will not win the game by trying to out-Jacinda Jacinda. That is impossible, not just because she is good at that, but because she has her whole spin machine (including the media) supporting her in the effort.
    
    To overplay my movie analogy: it’s like Sylvester Stallone dressing up in drag and trying to play lead in a chick-flick. That is not going to work in the box office.
    
    National better figure out what their movie is and start making that damn movie. Right now they’re making one of those box office fizzers where they take a cult movie and try replace the lead character with a black lesbian to be woke.
    
    Nobody votes for a wimp that apologises all the time. Look what happened to Cunliffe.
    
    It seems that National are completely gutting themselves. No longer is it the party of sensible people that are data driven and select based on competence. They are now apparently trying to score woke points: trying to out-Labour Labour.
    
    That will never work.
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think Nikki Kaye performed well on Morning Report today…scored a few hits against Labour – lack of a plan for economic recovery; managed to handle the incessant overtalk of Corin Dann pretty well.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018750015/goldsmith-could-have-used-his-words-better-nikki-kaye
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:32am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I thought she did pretty well also, and got some good hits on Ardern, although she didn’t stress Ardern’s lack of business knowledge or understanding enough for my money.
    
    Why didn’t she ask Dann “Are you suggesting The Warehouse don’t understand their own business, or are trying to use this as an opportunity to downsize for some reason?”
    
    Call them out on their BS, both Ardern and Dann. This government are useless at delivering anything, the very last thing I’d want as a shareholder would be Ardern sticking her oar in. Shades of when Helen Clark breached NZX rules on Air NZ all those years ago. Should definitely stick to their knitting.
    
    Interesting too, that the RNZ headline is all about Goldsmith’s comment, rather than Kaye’s criticism of the government, but again hardly surprising. That $50m of our cash is the best money Jacinda ever spent.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:18am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Or ask a couple of questions that mid market business people would know that Jacinda does not.
      
      e.g.
      
      “When you studied the Warehouse annual reports, what was the annual cost of overheads, not including salaries and wages?”
      
      “When you studied the Warehouse annual reports, what is the weekly cost of topping up staff wages and salaries over and above the subsidy?”
      
      “How much revenue would they need to have on a daily basis to provide enough gross profit to cover both overheads and wages and salary short fall and meet all their financial commitments?”
      
      “With a revenue of zero, how does that work?”
      
      “How many pieces of battered Hoki would you need to make up that shortfall?”
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:38am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Spot on JR, and also:
        
        “On what basis did you decide who would win the lottery of being allowed to trade during the lockdown, and how much do you think that would have cost The Warehouse?”
        
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        June 10, 2020 5:00pm
- mjw
  
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  The worst example of a politically correct snowflake comment was David Seymour complaining about discrimination against male knitters.
  
  What’s wrong with the guy?
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:37am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He was taking the piss
    What’s wrong with you that you can’t see that?
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:47am
    - mjw
      
      No sense of humour I guess! 🙂
      
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      June 10, 2020 9:03am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Of course he was taking the piss but it is also a valid point.
    
    If you’re PC enough to get upset about a phrase like ‘stick to your knitting’ you should be PC enough not to rely on the assumption that only women knit. You can’t have your woke PC nonsense and eat it too.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Seymour’s trying to pick up National party votes, and Kaye’s Woke chiding of Goldsmith might win him a few.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:27am
- Simon
  
  Tindall took Ardern for $65 million. Easy pickings. Thats his job working for shareholders.
  
  Warehouse have been in trouble competion wise for a while. Their business model aint working currently.
  
  Tindall was “talking” with Ardern just before lockdown when the wage subsidy was capped at $300k. Supposely about PPE. But English came out with an excellent summary of economic problems facing NZ. Ardern said she had talking with “experts” Tindall & Morgan.
  
  Ardern claims in part to close NZ down due conversion with friends in London. She believes the last person she speaks with.
  
  Tindall did his job. Ardern fucked up.
  
  Labour are trying to prop up prices i.e wages in a badly falling market. Not going to work.
  
  It would be useful for someone in National to point out the economic realities and what happens in the real world.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:42am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Indeed, except “reality” either Economic, Scientific, or even the Bleeding Obvious are an anathema to the Woke Labour Left.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:39am
  - C J Southern
    
    “Warehouse have been in trouble competion wise for a while. Their business model aint working currently.”
    
    Not sure I’d use the phrase “in trouble” as such – they still posted a (albeit reduced) profit of $29.2M. The next report will be interesting.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120328752/the-warehouse-net-profit-down-20-per-cent-as-margins-tighten
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Warehouse have been trouble for some years now as competition from others – sat K Mart, has bitten into their profits.
    They have tried for at least a couple of years to upmarket their product but with no avail.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:59am
  - cmm
    
    “Tindall took Ardern for $65 million”
    
    Nope. He took us taxpayers and the unborn generations to come.
    
    Ardern won’t pay a cent of it.
    
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    June 10, 2020 3:34pm
- Random T Person
  
  Saw that headline and thought…yep, the Nats are screwed. Goldsmith would be more at home in ACT…as David Seymour’s comment in/on the story confirms.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:59am
- Littletramp
  
  Goldsmith should realise that anyone who would take offence at that comment is never going to vote for him regardless of what he says or does, and likewise anyone who would vote for him would be disappointed in him backing off and feeling he has to apologise to anyone for using that particular phrase in that specific situation.
  That’s just where we are today in this world of Social Justice Warriors and things may cool off as those folk lucky enough to still have jobs get back to work.
  Good thing is most of the offended brigade don’t vote.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:15am
- chaos
  
  Actually whether you agree with what she did or not the times we live in with people getting offended at the drop of a hat, she made a sensible move. National and the supporters have to be careful now days with what they say and post because the woke people will jump on it, twist it, be offended by it and make it into a distraction
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:51am
  - cmm
    
    No they will find other things.
    
    The only way to deal with them is to tell them to get stuffed.
    
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    June 10, 2020 3:35pm
- tf78
  
  Is Nikki working for Labour?
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:52am
  - RightFirstTime
    
    Probably. She’s in the wrong party for sure.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:56pm
- bruceavon
  
  “ “sticking to her knitting” ( translation for the stupid : “ mind your own business”) “
  No. I doesn’t mean that. It means concentrate on your primary business or task. Which is entirely apt here. Focus on getting the economy sorted, not attacking businesses. It has nothing to do with sexism.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:59am
Mike

Happy World Art Nouveau Day!
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June 10, 2020 8:00am
Captain Mainwaring

In the 13 years we’ve lived here we’ve had successive close neighbours on each side who’ve included the following:

. Samoan
. NZ European
. Indian
. American lesbians
. British
. Tokelauan
. Maori

And we’ve got on very well with each and every one of them.
I guess you could call us supporters of cultural diversity.
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June 10, 2020 8:01am
- Aunty
  
  While that might make for an interesting experience, Captain Mainwaring, the question that I have about such a high turnover in neighbours is how does it allow for or foster the development of a strong neighbourhood and community with deep roots, identity, commitment, and connection to an area?
  
  To me, it doesn’t, and that is a concern and should be to everyone. How can you, your family and your community depend upon or draw upon ‘the neighbours’ in a time of need say, or for new community projects, amenities etc., when the neighbours change every 12 months and they have no long term commitment to the area? Do most neighbours even know each other or have even talked to each other?
  
  To me, this high turnover, common now throughout Auckland, is dysfunctional and is a worrying sign for the future cohesiveness of the city and the strength of our communities. In my view, it’s hard to thrive in a shifting sea of strangers.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:27am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Let me explain.
    One side was a renter house with Maori tenants when we arrived, later replaced with Samoans. Landlord sold the house to owner-occupiers (British man with Tokelauan wife).
    Other side was owner-occupied (Maori) who sold to an absentee landlord. Has had quite high turnover, each tenant seems to stay only a couple of years but there’s usually a good reason.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:59am
  - artemisia
    
    Two years is pretty average for tenancies, probably a bit above average in some locations. Tenants pretty much leave of their own volition unless the rental is sold or tenants are turfed out because they are bad or risky. So mostly tenant choice. Not sure how concerned citizens can persuade tenants to stay on for the good of the community. Good luck with that.
    
    (Risky tenants are not going to be high on the list when Minister Faafoi’s new rules come in. Maybe high on the social housing waiting list though.)
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:39am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Sounds like you’d be a lot safer in Remmers though, Capt’n
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Never had a safety issue since we’ve been here.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  CM, you appear to have transient neighbours and unless you have a very persuasive real estate person active in your street selling these properties, well they are rentals. I assume you don’t have noisy parties.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:15am
- mark15
  
  Where do you live,Shortland Street?!?
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:24am
Tony Stuart

Has the Government announced a Royal Commission of Inquiry into its response to the COVID-19 pandemic yet? If not, why not?

This will be the most expensive event in New Zealand’s history. As such, it is essential that full and independent scrutiny of the Government’s response, both in terms of health and the economic consequences, is undertaken.

https://democracyproject.nz/2020/06/02/graham-adams-should-we-have-a-royal-commission-of-inquiry-into-our-covid-19-response/
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June 10, 2020 8:02am
- brett68
  
  Has the Government announced a Royal Commission of Inquiry into its response to the COVID-19 pandemic yet? If not, why not?
  
  Because they’re not that stupid.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:06am
- seismac
  
  With hundreds of cases of Covid early in March why were we waiting for the camera momment of the Muslin anniversary on the 15th March
  Arderns actions are shocking and self serving
  The experts in health not politics were crying out for border closure at the beginning of March and she waited two weeks
  Hopeless
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    they didn’t put true quarantine on border until 2nd week of April.
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:58am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    yes but loyal Labourites will not see that. They will never admit it, and will still insist we went hard and early whereas in reality we we went too hard and too late.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:10am
  - JackRabbit
    
    15th March was a Minimum of 105 days after they knew about it, and 72 days after it was public knowledge.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:45am
- cmm
  
  Tony, it is way too early to hold a Royal Commission.
  
  I’d say that any time before April/May next year is too soon.
  
  We have not been through flu season yet. It is still far too early to be crowing about success.
  On the flip side, it is still way too early to assess all the damage caused by the reaction.
  
  And, on top of that, people are really bad at processing information while they are panicked. We need to give everyone a few months to calm down before a sensible RC could achieve anything.
  
  That said, I doubt a RC will achieve much more than a bit of poi-waving. The Chch earthquake RC basically achieved nothing.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:14am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sorry, I think you’ve got it backwards. We need to have it completed by April/May next year because if/when it hits again next flu season we need to have a clear understanding of what we did right and wrong. We cannot afford to make the same mistakes again.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:14am
  - SGA
    
    it is way too early to hold a Royal Commission.
    
    Agreed – the dust is far from settled, and the long term outcomes of our decisions are going to depend on how the situation unfolds in other parts of the world over the next six months to a year.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:38am
  - projectman
    
    The annual flu season has nothing – nothing – to do with how this government is not handling the covid-19 pandemic. We have a flu vaccine, it’s well distributed (good uptake). Don’t conflate the two thereby diminishing the attention that needs to be given to the covid response.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern’s achievements are being lauded in the international press–that self-promoted fawning should not be interrupted. Al Jazeera had a segment last night prepared by someone in Hamilton.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Here’s hoping it’s not too soon to crow about NZ’s containment of Wuhan flu.
    
    In the meantime, as and when borders are reopened to those who pass entry checks, it would be interesting to know what sort of medical tests will be used.
    
    Will they be temperature tests, or will they be on a scale like Taiwan’s – PCR, with those who fail refused entry?
    
    For us lay folk: PRC – polymerase chain reaction – amplifies trace amounts of DNA or RNA. PRC tests can pick up the presence of viruses. There is a “real time” version of the procedure as well as a laboratory version.
    
    Taiwan remains the stand-out success of Wuhan flu containment, because it kept businesses and schools up and running as well as containing the pandemic.
    
    Taiwan’s border check plans:
    
    https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/06/09/2003737891
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:08am
  - tf78
    
    Kev if you google some of the authors of various Jacinda articles they are written by newly graduated Com’s students – just pathetic. She is buying friends and favours with our money.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:32am
- C J Southern
  
  Perhaps we need a binding referendum on the topic … about a year from now should be a good time …
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:01am
artemisia

Yesterday Wellington City Council decided rather sensibly not to proceed with a couple of million bucks of temporary road coning to encourage safe distancing for pedestrians and cyclists. Oh, and losing hundreds of car parks in the process.

Not to worry ratepayers, Waka Kotahi was paying nearly all of it. Thanks for the offer taxpayers.

Chief city planner David Chick, however, said “some of the projects could still go ahead in the future”. No agenda then.

Christchurch City council also got the OK for similar funding from Waka Kotahi. Is that still going ahead? Other councils? How about letting us know Waka Kotahi.

On their website WAKA KOTAHI (big letters) is also known as New Zealand Transport Agency (small letters). In case you were wondering, the website also tells us – ” ‘Waka’ means ‘vessel’ and ‘kotahi’ means ‘one’ so our Māori name conveys the concept of ‘travelling together as one’ and embraces integration, affordability, safety, responsiveness and sustainability.” OK then.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121764335/plans-for-temporary-cycleways-to-encourage-social-distancing-scrapped-after-move-to-level-1
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June 10, 2020 8:02am
- Justitia
  
  Dear Artemisia: the wheel, which is the basis of modern land transportation, was unknown to Maori. “Waka Kotahi” is therefore blatant cultural appropriation, and racist. Yours etc, BLM.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:36am
igm

How can anyone assist with identification of this thug when ethnicity is deleted?
Is it from one of Ardern’s favoured races once more?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121775777/christchurch-woman-bashed-in-her-car-by-stranger-at-traffic-lights
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June 10, 2020 8:03am
- Simon
  
  Cannibals & meth.
  
  Arrest the thug’s dealer. Should be easy. But they never do.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:21am
- freethinker
  
  In that area of ChCh the thug is most likely to be from the Whenau of the Special People.
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:57am
cmm

Nikki Kaye’s silly sexist outburst yesterday reinforced for me the opinion that National is lurching more and more left and woke and alienating its support base.

Stick to your knitting is a phrase as old as the hills and Goldsmith used it correctly. Kaye should be ashamed that she has such a poor grasp of her mother tongue.

Her silly outburst that mentioning knitting is sexist is massively uninformed. In the old days, knitting was actually primarily undertaken by men. While more women knit now than men, it is not a female-only pursuit. Many men knit. My two sons knit.

But worse still is surely that she thinks it good to hang National’s dirty washing in public. She just went off pop in an irrational emotional outburst. This is not the stuff good leaders are made of. National voters will see this as weakness and poor leadership; the lefties will be loving the infighting of a party eating itself.

And no Nikki, hanging out washing isn’t woman’s work either.

This wokeness is surely going to erode National’s support base. Muller and Kaye are a leadership disaster. Where is the firm hand on the tiller we had from previous National leaders and leadership teams? Where are Key+English, Jenny Shipley and others?

Glad to see that Seymour backed Goldsmith and acted as the voice of reason. At least someone isn’t bouncing around like a panicked bunny.
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June 10, 2020 8:04am
- gorse
  
  cmm, I think we are all going to be surprised as to the number of ACT MP’s there are going to be. I would put a few Dollars on ACT getting 7-8% of the vote in September.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:11am
  - cmm
    
    Not much of a betting man myself but I’ll also put 50c and a servo pie on ACT doing better.
    
    I think a lot of ACT supporters often end up backing National in a tight race so as to not split the vote. However this time it is really hard to make the case that National is better than Labour and I think there is a good chance that a whole lot of them go back to voting for ACT.
    
    I can understand a misstep or two by Muller, but thus far he’s not really put a foot right, and Kaye just seems to be even more of the same.
    
    They might be making the right noises for their little echo chamber, but I doubt they’re getting the support of the punters.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:01am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I’m in a safe National electorate seat so I will vote for the National candidate, but I will be giving my party vote to Act.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:22am
    - Ian Boag
      
      You know how MMP works right?
      
      “Party vote ACT” is a vote against National.
      
      If your vote (and others) get the Nat candidate into parliament, it just means one disappears off the bottom of the Nat list.
      
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      June 10, 2020 10:53am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        At this stage, I would rather have an extra Act MP in Parliament than an extra National one. I have always done two ticks blue in the past but sad to say I am struggling to support National at the moment.
        
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        June 10, 2020 11:35am
      - tavita
        
        We need ACT plus National. In terms of getting rid of the present lot, it doesn’t matter which you vote for, if enough people party vote ACT we can get several ACT MPs and they they will counter the tendency of the Nats to go Labour lite.
        
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        June 10, 2020 12:22pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @BF
        
        Fair enough. By party voting Act you are not supporting National. Voting electorate National does not change that.
        
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        June 10, 2020 12:32pm
      - cmm
        
        Ian
        
        Right now it’s looking like a vote for National is basically a vote for Labour.
        
        One more ACT MP is worth five of National’s.
        
        It is not just about parties but also about the MPs themselves. I expect that the first few on the ACT list are worth far more than counting token at number 50 on the National list.
        
        Look at David Garret who frequents this blog. Love him or hate him, in 2 years he achieved more than most National backbenchers achieve in 10.
        
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        June 10, 2020 3:01pm
  - tf78
    
    Maybe Act could turn out to be the real New Zealand First party.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:09am
- Two bob
  
  its a sad time for national when its mps are being vocal while appart from a scolding the leadership is near on silent and absent.
  
  we used to see and hear simon more in 1day then we have muller in the few weeks hes been in charge.
  they need to realise at this point of the game any publicity is good publicity, national cant win this election instead they have to force cindy to lose it.
  damaging opponents credibility is far easier then building your own.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:12am
- brett68
  
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  Stupid comment by Goldsmith, once again just made National look like an old man, sexist, boomer party.
  Where are these people’s brains? it’s so easy to spin that as a sexist comment.
  “Silly woman, stick to your knitting you have no idea what you’re talking about”, that is how women took that comment.
  
  What a fuck wit, National are going to get hammered this year and deservedly so.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:17am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Stick to your knitting is a term used in business. If they played it correctly they should have pointed that out.
    That Labour and their supporters weren’t aware of what the term means suggests they truly don’t understand business.
    In business terms it simply means to focus on what you’re good at. It’s why so many businesses delegate out their accounting work etc because it’s not their area of expertise.
    Also, to assume it’s gendered is an insult to many men. I’m the only male in my family that doesn’t/hasn’t knitted.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And you? You would tywford the nation.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:35am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and this how “twyford” becomes an adjective.
      Twyford:
      Meaning
      Noun: Name of an MP
      Adjective: “Doing a Twyford” ..to do something completely stupid and incompetent.
      To not achieve anything in one’s job.
      
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      June 10, 2020 10:03am
  - lifesgood
    
    I feel sorry for you, Brett, you have clearly had a very poor education. He used a common phrase which has been around for well over a hundred years. Let me explain it to you. It means “Do what you know how to do and keep out of things you don’t” An excellent remark by Goldsmith.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Stupid comment? Rubbish – “stick to the knitting” is a perfectly normal, traditional metaphor.
    
    National as the old man, boomer, sexist party? That sounds like a 1990s-style National designed by Old Jim Bolger and his acolytes.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:38am
  - Scott
    
    Brett 68 – thank you for your comments. Your message to older white men – drop dead – is duly noted.
    
    Unfortunately for you the National party cannot afford to alienate older white men. Because older white men and their spouses are people who can reliably be counted on to actually vote in the upcoming election. The youth vote is notoriously fickle, many times they do not even show up at the polling booth. But older white men and their spouses do show up.
    
    So the National party would be wise not to listen to your advice, IMHO.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:57am
    - Swifty
      
      A lot of old, and not so old, white men (and women) also support the party financially too.
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:20am
  - Blackface Twin Reverb
    
    Bridges is gone like you wanted. You made your bed, now you have to sleep in it, so stop your bitching.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:02am
    - tf78
      
      We should have a “Bring back Bridges” petition!
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:12am
  - C J Southern
    
    National are going to lose this year regardless (or more accurately: “New Zealand are going to lose this year – most just don’t know it yet”.
    
    I hear what you’re saying, but National are between a rock and a hard place; do they play the stupic PC-gone-mad game – lie to everyone – and tell them what they want to hear” (and thus “play the game”) or to at least go down with their integrity intact by saying it like it is?
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:05am
  - cmm
    
    I agree that National are going to, rightfully, get slaughtered like a Halal sheep.
    
    But isn’t it extremely boomer and sexist of you to associate women and knitting? That’s exactly what Kaye did. Perhaps you and Kaye have more in common than you think! Sounds to me like you’re the sort of voter she’s targeting as the next-gen National voter.
    
    More progressive people than you realise that people choose knitting (or baking, or fishing or shooting) based on their personal preferences and not what is between their legs.
    
    Plenty of men, especially younger men, knit just like plenty of women fish or shoot or whatever.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:18am
    - brett68
      
      It’s stupid politics and you’re making life unnecessarily difficult for yourself, your leader, and your party by making such comments.
      
      Goldsmith seems to be utterly oblivious about the environment he’s currently operating in.
      
      Adapt or die.
      
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      June 10, 2020 10:37am
      - Blackface Twin Reverb
        
        Adapt… like swapping Bridges for Muller?
        Stick to your knitting mate.
        
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        June 10, 2020 11:14am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        No. Don’t give in to bigots.
        
        Just because Labour and the media don’t understand a term does not mean they are in the right when the dishonestly assume the intent behind the saying.
        
        The bigotry is incredible:
        1: They assume knitting is gendered – it’s not (I thought hipsters were quite into it for one).
        2: They assume older people must adhere to their language norms. In the words of Tracey Martin: That is ageist.
        3: They take a business term, in the context of business, out of context.
        4: They assume Goldsmith as a man had a misogynistic reasoning behind his comment, based solely on his gender.
        
        They are all horrible bigots and every one of them needs to apologise and resign from their roles.
        
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        June 10, 2020 11:33am
      - Jack5
        
        Plenty of older men knitted, too, CMM, and darned their own socks.
        
        Hardy types they were, and probably still are: deer cullers, high-country shepherds, fishermen, small-claim gold miners, fencers, and many more.
        
        Then there are men who knit for a hobby. Men including the film maker George Lucas, and actors like Ryan Gosling, the “voice of Superman” – Tim Daly, and David Arquette, who’s a professional wrestler as well as an actor.
        
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        June 10, 2020 4:38pm
      - cmm
        
        Jack5
        
        Too right mate. Nothing un-bloke about knitting, darning or washing. Did plenty of the last two myself but I hate knitting.
        
        They were stupid to roll over for the MAGA hat. They were stupid to roll over for this.
        
        Now they are jumpy scardie-cats and everyone knows all you have to do is say racist or sexist and they will implode in a quivering mess.
        
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        June 10, 2020 5:20pm
- JibberJabber
  
  National are Dead in the Water with this “leadership” “team”, they need to stick to their knitting ,they will never out-woke this current mob of cretins.
  They never will gain any traction if they bend over and take it up the chufta every time the Labours lying press snivel and whine about their use of terminology.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:19am
- Michael NZ
  
  Yay!
  David Seymour for Leader of the Opposition (or National at least) he’s the only one with conjones and common sense.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Muller and Kaye are a leadership disaster
  
  Their elevation is one of Labour’s only success stories. The troll-farm and MSM led destruction of Bridges has ensured another three years of advancing hard-left totalitarianism.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:32am
  - Jack5
    
    Was State Radio (RNZ) in on the knee-capping of National?
    
    The elements: Hooton, Radio NZ’s long time supposedly Right wing commentator, and then the ambush of Simon Bridges on Morning Report, with him humiliated by being talked over by a journo with control of volume.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:16am
    - lifesgood
      
      No time for Hooten, an absolute traitor to the right. I wouldn’t mind betting he is deliberately undermining in Muller bit by bit.
      
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      June 10, 2020 2:12pm
- freethinker
  
  David Seymour is increasingly the almost sole voice of the pragmatism that Kiwi’s historically took. so electors be pragmatic Party vote ACT and lets have 10+ ACT MP’s to get National back on track to returning NZ to its former glory.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:01am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121775777/christchurch-woman-bashed-in-her-car-by-stranger-at-traffic-lights

This article really annoys me.
There are 4 photos / videos of the victim, along with her name and occupation.
There is a plea from the police for witnesses or information.

But NOWHERE is there a description of the attacker: no approximate age, no physical attributes, no suggested ethnicity, no description of clothing.

How can people help if vital details are withheld ?
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June 10, 2020 8:06am
- Simon
  
  :How can people help if vital details are withheld ?”
  
  They have all the details. There is CCTV everywhere.
  
  The details that will be withheld is the number of convictions the cannibals junkie scum will have had when they make an arrest.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:19am
- Two bob
  
  and ppl wonder why our police are useless at solving crime… instead they probably gave the poor victim a ticket for no wof or something stupid like that
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:20am
  - GT Build
    
    No a ticket for parking incorrectly
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  What happens re crime in an economic depression – hint: it’s not less.
  
  This will be a big election topic if National has it’s head switched on and stops focusing on picking up a couple of swing voters in Grey Lynn
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Perhaps the vital details are being withheld because the facts might serve as fuel for prejudice and stereotyping?
  
  The public cannot be trusted to draw conclusions that fit with the narrative.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:28am
  - sooty
    
    Everytime the police don’t say the race, you can guarantee it’s one of them!
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  I stand to be corrected, but if the attacker was a Caucasian male of medium build with light hair we would have been told as much.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:34am
- emmess
  
  She called the police?
  Outrageous, she was coming from a place of privilege, don’t you know?
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  Basically it’s “bash porn”. Only there for click and sensationalist purposes.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:39am
  - cmm
    
    … and promo her giveallittle page.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:02am
- Nickc2
  
  What has our WOKE Police Service Commissioner got to say about this?
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:41am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Cant say I’m very impressed with Coster so far….in fact he’s even worse than Bush. He may as well go on the Labour list as a candidate now.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:26am
    - freethinker
      
      Perhaps we should name him Coster the Cop Imposter.
      
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      June 10, 2020 11:04am
  - GT Build
    
    Just wish he would grow his beard back may help stop him being a soy boy
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:20am
TWEEDSE

The local motorway overhead sign has this instruction on it:

Level 1
Stay Calm
Be Kind

I guess Cindy hasn’t seen it.
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June 10, 2020 8:09am
Justitia

From the abuse, some of it violent, heaped on my Facebook posts critical of Jacinda’s handling of the Wuhan Flu panic I have scientifically determined that her staunchest supporters are middle aged women of European extraction. I have little doubt that it was to these tricoteuses that the wily Goldsmith was dog (bitch?)- whistling when he brought up the subject of Jacinda’s knitting, as many of them will have personally knitted booties for Neve. How will Todd win over this vital constituency who hold the keys to the election? A false hairpiece perhaps? A white sportscoat and a pink carnation? And what would Genghis Khan have done – perhaps the Honourable Mongolian Consul who now forms part of Todd’s retinue can tell us? And when will the National Party take its foot out of its mouth (nothing personal Nikki) and start acting like an alternative government. Time’s running out….
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June 10, 2020 8:10am
- Komata
  
  Justitia @0810
  
  And by way of an alternative to the increasingly moribund and incapable Nats, are the New Conservatives a viable option, possibly in co-operation with ACT?
  
  Polite replies only please.
  
  Thank you.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:30am
  - Justitia
    
    @Komata 0930. Our focus must be to change the government, I really don’t care who. But it would be distressing to have wasted votes on the Centre-Right. I would like to see the New Conservatives gain a voice in Parliament and I am disappointed they are not polling more strongly.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:23am
  - tf78
    
    Komata – I think NC have a very good chance of a seat or two – Ellliott is a breath of fresh air. How he would handle parliament is a bit of a query though. Mind you, you don’t have to worry about a dog eat dog environment in this snowflake world.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:27am
    - bruceavon
      
      No. Just no. They have no chance. Polling less than 1% there is no growth in the right space in politics. all the growth is the middle and left, which is why National are pivoting there. If you want to beat Labour vote National. It’s that simple. We would be better off on the right if a decent left wing party started to take votes off Labour. All votes for NC will help the left.
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:48pm
- kloyd0306
  
  It’s too late. Stick a fork in them – they’re done!
  Muller lost his nuts in the same box as he put the the MAGA hat and now Kaye is actively supporting Kindy Cindy.
  The good news is that the country might wake up by about September of 2023.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:16am
- tui47
  
  I agree that her strongest supporters are middle aged women. They are nastiest of the lot on Facebook. These women are not like the conservative ladies. They tend to be overweight with scruffy hair and like to knit. Unfortunately I have a few on my extended family. As a result I never ‘share’ my political views on Facebook but I do comment on news websites. The abuse from these women is amazing given they claim to like Jacinda for her kindness. I have been disappointed with voters of my own gender as they don’t seem to be using their brain to the extent that male voters are. Instead they are more interested in supporting a celebrity style superficial personality rather than competent leadership.
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:41pm
Tall Man

Now I’m trying to have a pleasant breakfast with my wife and I just can’t without knowing how the life of Sanna Marin, the Prime Minister is coping with life.

Does she have a fisherman, a cat, a bottle of rotten milk in her fridge? These are the most important questions and I really hope the Finnish media is up to the job and if not, maybe we could send a few of our intrepid journos over to Finland to get to the bottom of these important issues.
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June 10, 2020 8:13am
I remember when

Daniel Thomson, 33 from Vermont, entered the Buddhist Monastic Academy, in mid-march.
On 23rd May, after two and a half months, he returned from his isolation and tweeted: “Back from 75 days in silence. Did I miss anything?”
Wonder if there are any suggestion as to who they might like to recommend go on a retreat?
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June 10, 2020 8:23am
SmokerGuy

Why the hell did Goldsmith have to backpedal on his ‘knitting’ comment? I’m so sick of spineless politicians, first the MAGA hat and now this. I’ve made up my mind and I’m voting ACT for the first time ever. National seriously need to grow a pair.
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June 10, 2020 8:26am
- Two bob
  
  same here, for me the nats lost my vote when they rolled over so easily on the 1st tranche gun reform.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:11am
- Colville
  
  Perfect result.
  National lurch left and try to suck in Labours voters.
  You lurch right and support ACT who are Nationals partner.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:14am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Maybe. Or maybe National shaft Act and get together with NZF or the Greens. I suspect the current leadership has a lot more in common with these two parties than they do with Act.
    TBH, I might well finish up voting for Cindy.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe he’s sorry for being a man
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:30am
- BeeJay
  
  I’m voting Todd Muller as my electorate MP because he is a great electorate MP! But my party vote is going to ACT because we need more of ACT in Government! National will win BOP because the options are loony Labour/greenies and Winnie, and we’ve had a gutsfull of them during the last 3 years! National needs more ACT attitude, so I hope ACT get many more seats in September!
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:35am
  - tf78
    
    We vote for National (Goldsmith) and David as our local MP – works well.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:29am
- SGA
  
  Why the hell did Goldsmith have to backpedal on his ‘knitting’ comment?
  
  To protect National. As a party, National wants as much distance as it can from the”she’s just a silly little girl” rhetoric that you find daily on places like Kiwiblog – it’s electoral poison. So anything that could possibly be construed that way is politically dangerous.
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:53am
- C J Southern
  
  I share your pain, but as I see it, National are between a rock and a hard place;
  
  – if they “grow a pair” in this PC-gone-mad world they go down thanks to the sensitive-snowflake-majority (but go down with their integrity intact).
  
  – but if they “play the game” and bend over to all this PC-gone-mad crap then they probably still go down, but with a small chance of pulling off a miracle.
  
  This is the unfortunate reality of political theatrics in 2020.
  
  It sucks – it absolutely sucks – but that’s the way it is apparantly. We now live in a world where politicians are elected on personality, popularity, and by their positions on stupid metrics such as “environment”, “diversity”, “multi-culturalism” etc rather on important things that actually make a difference.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:01am
- stigie
  
  Here’s the difference, Shane Jones could say the same thing or worse and every bugger would laugh it off saying that’s typical Jonesie..?
  
  What a fucking nonsense this is !~
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:18am
oldpark

“No shit Sherlock” or is it “No shit Auntie Cindy Ardern” . Just under three months ago the Peters selected woman known as Miss Ardern PM in an almost unilateral so called Captains call shut down the way of living and Business Trading for NZs. Yes after refusing to close down NZs borders as the Christchurch Sob-fest was due on March 15 2020 .
Then almost too little too late Ardern panicked not only shutting down NZs Borders to stop the spread of the Coronavirus same went for most businesses.
In fact her panic virtually turned NZs economy into a pile of ashes .Lest we forget .
Yet for some reason or other media reports say she is fuming over the massive Redundancies at the Warehouse Stores just for starters. Talk about “No Shit Sherlock” Ardern has caused the massive redundancies totally by her actions and panic shutting down NZs economy turning it to ashes
totally .All facts and figures are saying she has got “her knitting in a twist”. She seems to be acting daily like Mairzy Doats and Dosy Doats and Little Lambsy Divey. Wonder what part of personal responsibility does she conveniently ignore .Maybe all of it .
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June 10, 2020 8:29am
- BushBaby
  
  Australia, Greece, Slovakia, Slovenia just a few who have done better than us in containment – at far less cost. Worldometer has us ranked 104th for cases per million. Not early, but too hard. Borders should have closed 1st March. Then we might have had 100 cases and no deaths. Amateurs.
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:18am
  - Two bob
    
    maybe but has any more been found out about nz spike in elderly deaths in february?
    Think it was David Seymours crew that stumbled on the spike and questioned if covid was circulating earlier then thought as testing back then was almost non existant and only done if symptomatic and just returned from abroad.
    
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    June 10, 2020 5:31pm
NoFax

WHO announces yesterday that transmissions from of Covid-19 is “very rare”. If this is true, then it confirms that what we did over the last 3 months was a massive overaction. If you are ill then stay home would have achieved the same thing. I note very little in the NZ media about this story.
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June 10, 2020 8:30am
- fernglas
  
  I’m not surprised.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:51am
- NoFax
  
  That came out a little garbled. It should read ‘asymptomatic transmissions of Covid-19 is “very rare”‘
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:02am
- cmm
  
  To be fair to WHO, I think they said from transmission was very rare from asymptomatic cases.
  
  That would make some sense because the primary infection vector is via coughing/sneezing droplets. If you’re asymptomatic then you’re not coughing and sneezing.
  
  They also said said it was incredibly rare to find any transmission from surfaces. If that is true then it means all our hand sanitizing was a was a waste.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:08am
  - fernglas
    
    WHO has now said it was wrong, by the way.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:38am
    - cmm
      
      Yeah, let’s wait five minutes and they will say they were wrong about being wrong.
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The last 3 months was an experiment of socialist control. PTPM is desperately looking for a 2nd wave so it can all be repeated.
  Tell me I’m wrong
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    I think she has mixed feelings.
    
    Sure, she will soon be missing the power trip and having everyone listen to her at 1pm.
    
    On the other hand it will take the shine off the whole “awesome first leader in the world to defeat CV19” thing.
    
    Thinking long term (ie. her quest for #CinD4UN!), the latter is probably more important to her.
    
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    June 10, 2020 10:05am
- Alex13
  
  WHO should shut up and stick to their knitting (i.e., keep pocketing bribes). They know nothing and serve no useful purpose. Unchecked, this virus spreads like fire. As to quantifying the transmission modes (droplets, surfaces, etc.), we are yet to find out…
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:07am
- Bullion
  
  Only news from WHO about covid-19 yesterday is that the number of cases worldwide is growing and had the highest case day on Sunday.
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:51pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was driving back home from Mt Roskill last night. He caught the interview on 1ZB with HDPA, and new Police Commissioner Andy ‘CAPP’ Costa.
They were discussing the decision to scrap the Armed Response Teams after just a 6 month trial.
Andy said, “It was clear to him that these response teams do not align with the style of policing Labor or the Greens expect…..
The Police Service will no longer routinely carry arms under his watch. Neither will it be acceptable for Officers to hurl insults in public, such as, “sit down fatty”, “zip it sweety”, “stick to your knitting”, or call anyone “grandpa”. Such breaches are likely to see members referred to the IPCA.
There have been escalating firearm incidents in New Zealand recently, and police will now be expected to ‘lead the way’ with a kinder, softer, more gentle approach. Particularly towards our ethnic communities.”
My partner reckoned listening to that gave a whole new meaning to ‘putting lipstick on a pig’. (…..and we wasn’t referring to Heather)

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June 10, 2020 8:33am
- cmm
  
  What is really bad is the way cops show their distrust in the public by wearing stab-proof vests.
  
  When they arrest people they show their distrust even more by using handcuffs. No, they should just ask nicely and people will sit there. And don’t make them sit in the back; be friendly get them to ride up front.
  
  And their cars! All those aggressive flashing lights, radios and sirens and CO2-emitting death engines. How about just using more people-friendly cars. Nissan Leaf would be perfect.
  
  Lastly, they need to get rid of uniforms. It is so militaristic and, quite frankly, a bit scary. They need to relate to people better. What’s wrong with just what their customers wear? Hoodies and trackies.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Those who are arrested are shown that by being handcuffed. They cannot be said to be under arrest if they go voluntarily with the Police. The act of putting the arrestee in a van or car is also an expression of arrest. Arrest also confers rights on the person affected.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:46am
    - cmm
      
      Look, the most important reason we arrest people is to take them to a safe place so they can correct themselves. That is why prisons are now called corrections.
      
      That correction process starts as soon as the cop interacts with the criminal. Once they have been arrested they are no longer criminals – they are former criminals on their correction journey.
      
      It is therefore important that the cops treat the criminal with as much respect and kindness as soon as possible.
      
      Any hostility can set that correction process back for hours, if not days. Therefore cops need to be sensitive to the former-criminal’s needs.
      
      The cop must immediately start building bridges to facilitate the correction process. The former criminal needs to trust the system and that can only start if they feel trusted. Anti-stab vests, sitting in the back and handcuffs all break down the trust.
      
      Cops should immediately ask the former-criminal what radio station they would like to listen to and/or their favourite Spotify list. A selection of cold drinks and snacks would help too. Offer to stop off at a Maccas if they need it.
      
      As a society we also need to build that trust by encouraging former criminals to vote. We should not lock them in prisons but trust them to show up voluntarily to their training sessions.
      
      We’re making excellent progress away from the old ways and over the next ten years we can get much further.
      
      Bookmark this comment and come back in 2030 and you will see how right I was.
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:49pm
      - C J Southern
        
        Once upon a time the movie Idiocracy was just a B grade parody. In less than a decade it was a future documentary.
        
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        June 10, 2020 12:55pm
      - cmm
        
        CJ that’s the problem with trying to make shit up… it turns out real.
        
        When PriNZess had eczema and took off her ring I said likely she was preggers because that’s quite common and she is at an age where her egg timer is making a lot of noise. Two weeks later all over the papers – guess who’s having a bub!
        
        A few months ago I said I bet the cops and the gangs were in cahoots and we were being presented with “cop theatre” allowing the gangs to operate while the cops can pretend to be tough on crime. A few weeks later it comes out that Sonny and Wally are having frequent chats.
        
        It seems that more outrageous the statement you make, the more likely it is to come true.
        
        The world we are presented with is not what is really happening.
        
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        June 10, 2020 2:14pm
      - C J Southern
        
        “The world we are presented with is not what is really happening.”
        
        At the moment we have two worlds; the normal one and this “new one”.
        
        My greatest fear is that it seems that many are being “abducted” from the former to the latter.
        
        In my opinion things are clearly going the wrong way; we’re devoluting right before our eyes.
        
        It’s “not good”.
        
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        June 10, 2020 3:02pm
- tf78
  
  Heather was on fire last night – I bet she’s heading for the naughty step very soon.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:37am
KevO'Brien

A Christian view on Police law enforcement:
https://www.wnd.com/2020/06/minneapolis-city-council-swallows-serpents-lie/
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June 10, 2020 8:34am
Engelbert Humperdink

“Even though we’re now the Woke Police, we suppose you still want to report crimes to us. But do not try and describe actual criminals because you’ll almost certainly utter WrongSpeak!”
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June 10, 2020 8:34am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2020/06/super-rugby-aotearoa-all-blacks-halfback-tj-perenara-backs-black-lives-matter-movement.html

Someone should tell him all lives matter.
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June 10, 2020 8:44am
- Blackface Twin Reverb
  
  Broken record… he was all over the Colin Kaepernick bandwagon.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:46am
- chaos
  
  Friend of mine was telling me a few days before this happened in the town her son lived policed killed a Native American. No protests, nothing.
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:13am
  - Harriet
    
    I’ve always felt sorry for them as they are the natives, but African Americans have hi-jacked that for their own unentitled benefit. Obama made bugger all reference to Indians also.
    
    AA’s are only the descendants of slaves and that was generations ago, and their current plight or any other has nothing to do with slavery. AA’s have never lost anything or entitled to anything due to loss, as the slaves were from Africa – not England, France or Germany. Also, it is immoral to benefit someone for the loss incurred by others.
    
    No one has to say sorry to them for slavery. It’s just the way it is.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:38am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Someone should tell him, he’s in a job that needs to be given to an under represented minority. Too many Maori and PI’s in the All Blacks and super rugby teams for the % in the population. He should step aside for a Chinese or Indian rugby player. They’re under represented in top level Rugby.
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:54am
burt

Anyone know the details of the attacker ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121775777/christchurch-woman-bashed-in-her-car-by-stranger-at-traffic-lights

I assume because it’s not stated in the article that the attacker wasn’t white?
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June 10, 2020 8:45am
- igm
  
  Burt: What is the use finding attackers when all police are interested in is maligning the innocent party.
  Is this the police force we are now saddled with thanks to Bush, his new woke successor, complemented by Ardern, Davis, Little et al?https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/121767726/carterton-bottle-store-owner-foils-wouldbe-shoplifter-with-stick
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    igm, I think you will find the Police are a Service, not a Force as previous. I heard the WOKE Commissioner use the phrase this morning. There is a difference but I can’t find anyone who knows exactly what it is.
    
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    June 10, 2020 12:10pm
    - C J Southern
      
      The former were an agency that gave a consequence to antisocial behaviour.
      
      The latter are a neutered agency with their hands tied tighter than a good bondage session.
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:58pm
    - Nickc2
      
      TKS CJ. I asked the question of an NZ ex-police officer friend today and her response was that ‘FORCE’ is yesterday’s term and today’s term is ‘SERVICE’. Make of that as you will, but for me, there should be no such thing as ‘wokeness’ in the application or enforcement of the law in NZ.
      
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      June 10, 2020 7:54pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Almost certainly Somalian then. This is the only race committing crimes that is universally blanked out. Normally in gangs of “youths” of unknown appearance all over Melbourne.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:55am
- chaos
  
  I’d oubt that considering that Canterbury police have a photo of a Maori woman up that they are after for warrants. I’d say it’s possible the victim doesn’t remember enough details yet for the police to know
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:11am
cas

Jacinda wants us to believe we went hard and went early. I was just reading an article in the New Yorker about Seattle’s reaction. Microsoft told its employees to work from home on 4 March, schools were shut down on 11 March and bars and restaurants closed on 14 March. What were we doing at that time? Still thinking about having a 15,000 people gathering on 15 March!
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June 10, 2020 8:56am
- Nickc2
  
  You are onto it cas, too little, too late and too much obfuscating about it. Lies, lies and more damn lies. All BS and no substance.
  I hope that describes the Labour Party and their dear leader in a polite manner (sarc).
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:05pm
I remember when

Dominion Post Saturday:
Total GHG emissions for Wellington have dropped 7% between 2001 and 2019, despite 24% population growth and 56% GDP growth. Figures released before covid-19 impact.
NZ as a whole has seen a 12% increase against 26% globally.
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June 10, 2020 8:57am
- Bullion
  
  Public transport is easy in Wgtn with population corridors and greater investment in cycleways.
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:54pm
Maggie Pie

A friend of my partner tweets

‘Today in history…..
Karangahape Rd. Auckland. 1923’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZf_fu8U0AIdH7H?format=png&name=900×900
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June 10, 2020 9:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Looks like patched gang members to me hiding their racial features.
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:15am
- Two bob
  
  and the origins of the clan started by whom in the USA… cracks me up the same political group created kkk, Fought tooth and nail to keep blacks enslaved and now they fully support BLM yet fail to acknowledge their role in history.
  
  never knew it made it to lil old nz tho, learn something new every day
  
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  June 10, 2020 9:19am
- JibberJabber
  
  The context of this is that it is a University capping parade.
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:50pm
igm

Seems this Adrian Orr chap is unfit for purpose, having personal agendas that can be more than damaging to our fragile economy.
Hosking had a very serious view this morning on his banking agenda . . . very interesting.
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June 10, 2020 9:02am
MT_Tinman

I notice as I read around the traps the get rid of the police thing is still going strong in some political circles.

Fair enough.

I suggest we give these people at least part of their wish.

We remove the police from these people’s lives as long as they don’t infringe on other people’s lives.

The “no-police” people will need to wear signs advising the public of their status and their property will also need to be marked clearly.

It would be a fun experiment to watch.
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June 10, 2020 9:06am
- Jules99
  
  Someone suggest to me that the replacement for a police force would be high-level surveillance. It’s starting to make sense now.
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:52pm
Swifty

At the New World, Mt Roskill, yesterday – fresh NZ red chillies $120 kg in bulk or $8 for four chillies in a pack.

Bloody hell.

Those are whitebait or cray prices!
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June 10, 2020 9:26am
- Jules99
  
  Glad I saved the seeds from this year’s crop of chillies. While our supply chain struggles to keep up, we will have to return to seasonal fruit/veg or pay high prices for glasshouse produce which costs more out of season.
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:50pm
[email protected]

Buy New Zealand made.

This article shows that Foodstuff ( New World, Four Square and Pak ‘n Save) is not supporting New Zealand businesses even though they are a member of the Buy NZ Made campaign.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121736633/foodstuffs-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-buy-nz-made-campaign
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June 10, 2020 9:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Let’s see how this goes when pricing of larger items comes into consideration.
  
  I even doubt that people would pay more for NZ canned produce that that from China ….. do we have any canned product still in NZ?
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:58pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Watties do I believe, Hawkes Bay peaches for sure. I actively look at stuff I buy in cans to make sure it *doesn’t* come from China – I just don’t trust their food standards.
    
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    June 10, 2020 4:31pm
JibberJabber

Jonathon Pie.
https://twitter.com/FunnyAlfGarnett/status/1269227095613415426
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June 10, 2020 9:55am
- [email protected]
  
  Thanks for the link. I needed a good laugh!
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is the short version. Starts off with the author of ‘little house on the praire’ being racist. Hilarious!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_bI789Gog
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:46pm
I remember when

Headline on RNZ site:
“Police admit to failings in arrest of young Maori boy”
He is a College student aged 16. If he is a boy he is an old boy. The United Nations says that between 15-24 is a youth.
On the other The Wairarapa Times-Age have written a balanced article on the mistaken identity arrest. It was a serious crime.
There is still something to be said for small town journalism.
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June 10, 2020 10:07am
BushBaby

Wife got polled last night. Interesting range of questions with opinions sought on international students (yes) amongst them. She quite likes Nikki Kaye, is agnostic on Muller and thinks Jacinda doing ok to well. We disagree clearly. But agree on the 17 empty cabinet chairs. The Nats need to stop getting sucked into identity non-issues and “stick to their knitting” of economy, jobs, smart spending. The alternative after September is the new “worst” government ever.
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June 10, 2020 10:13am
- C J Southern
  
  “Wife got polled last night.”
  
  I would make a comment along the lines of “lucky wife”, but these days such a comment would be deemed highly offensive, sexist, and probably misogynist … so I won’t 😉
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    Your restraint is remarkable 😉
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:16pm
    - C J Southern
      
      Thanks. Looks like I STILL ofended some delicate snowflake though 😀
      
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      June 10, 2020 3:04pm
- Prince
  
  Agree. National need to set out a platform for all MPs and candidates over the next few weeks:
  – Agree that Ardern provided excellent leadership over Covid crisis. Borders should have been closed a week earlier, but apart from that a largely flawless performance.
  – As a result of the shutdown, the country is facing an uncertain economic future. No point in getting angry about business taking action to protect their future. Need to work with business to get out of this.
  – Apart from answering questions with the first statement above, ignore Ardern – she is basically untouchable. Lange beat Muldoon by ignoring him. Key beat Clark by ignoring her. Offer a positive, effective Government in waiting.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:06am
  - Jules99
    
    I think the point should be made that she changed the goals half way through. I was ok with flattening the curve, but recognised the futility of eliminating a disease which will require virtual permanent closure
    of borders and economic devastation. She chose economic devastation.
    
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    June 10, 2020 12:48pm
  - C J Southern
    
    “Borders should have been closed a week earlier”
    
    You spelled “month” wrong …
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:02pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Goldsmith was very good in an interview with Sean Plunket between midday and 1pm. He’s accusing the Government of not having a plan beyond “Debt-fuelled Government spending on an industrial scale”, and it’s hard to argue with that. The Crown Accounts to 31 March which came out today are very sobering, with a deficit of $13 billion, and net debt already having increased by $20 billion; with way more to come.
    
    Robertson and Ardern are splashing around the cash to anyone who holds their hand out. That’s easy to do when it’s someone else’s money! Goldsmith and co need to focus on the Government’s lack of a plan, whilst clearly articulating what they would do differently.
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:33pm
- john
  
  That is the message that the Party is absolutely trying to sell. The economy and smart expenditure are and will continue to be at the forefront of our drive towards the election. On a side note while unofficial the jump in party support has been significant to date and expected to continue with the new leadership team. the effort the Left are putting into trying to take down Todd and Co is I believe driven by the internal polling that has seen a significant shift.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    They worked hard on Simon Bridges but I believe the concerted drive by the media, facebook fuckwits and trolls from labour show they are aware that ardern’s shine is turning back into the shit it really is.
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:19pm
I remember when

Paul Goldsmith’s remark about Jacinda sticking to her knitting was always going to result in a torrent of disapproval.
It was a brilliant attack because it emphasized her lack of economic knowledge.
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June 10, 2020 10:15am
Than

Latest idiotic gibbering from the orange Buffoon-In-Chief – that the 75 year old man who was pushed down by two police officers was “scanning” police equipment.

I work in radio communications. This is my field. And there is just so much stupid here it’s hard to know where to start.

Law enforcement radio systems in the US will most commonly be using a digital radio standard called P25. And if it’s using encryption, you will not be able to listen in. Full stop. Period. It doesn’t matter how close you are, or how long you have to try and crack it. Unless you have the encryption key, it will all be gibberish.

And if the traffic is not encrypted… then you don’t have any need to be right up in the officers face. A commercial scanner would let you effortlessly hear every word they say from several miles away.

There is simply no reason somebody attempting to listen in on the police would need to be that close. It is just an utterly nonsense explanation.
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June 10, 2020 10:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s the slow motion video of Martin Gugino just before he is pushed to the ground:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N703XiJC_i0
  
  Any suggestions as to what he is doing with the device in his hands?
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:59am
  - Than
    
    Looks like a smartphone to me, so filming the actions of the police is the logical explanation.
    
    But the RF physics is very simple here. For any radio equipment used by police, the signal strength would be far more than enough from a quarter to half a mile away. Whether his intent was to listen in, to jam them, or to play them some Buddy Holly as encouragement. There would simply be no reason he would have needed to get that close and put himself in harms way.
    
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    June 10, 2020 11:08am
    - cmm
      
      Not so.
      
      I would agree with you 100% if you were talking about scanning normal comms radio equipment (aka walkie-talkies) with a scanner.
      
      But that’s not all there is to scanning as in “scanning police equipment”.
      
      NFC and BTLE cannot be scanned from half a mile away with a handheld device. Maybe with a high gain Yagi or such.
      
      Nor is radio the only way that equipment can be “scanned”. For example, barcodes can be scanned and plenty military any police gear has barcodes on it for logistics purposes. In South Africa in 1984/5 we were using lasers to cut barcodes onto rifles for asset tracking purposes.
      
      I think this poor old fool got set up by Antifa to provoke a nice photo op. Put an app on his phone and tell him that if he waves it close enough to a policeman he can get a virus onto their radio net and shut down all the police comms.
      
      They know this is bullshit, but he believes his new antifa mates and does it. They know this will cause some incident with the cops but he thinks he’s helping fight “The Man”.
      
      Cops justifiably act predictably and defensively and everyone gets their photo op of “police brutality”.
      
      Poor old coot ends up in hospital, but who cares about him eh? Disposable old boomer.
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:28pm
      - Than
        
        I think this poor old fool got set up by Antifa to provoke a nice photo op.
        
        I guess that is technically possible. But it would take a lot of dots lining up, and the supporting evidence is thin to none.
        
        We have two competing theories here.
        
        Theory one, a couple of cops over-react and push a harmless elderly protester to the ground, unintentionally causing him serious injury.
        
        Theory two, a complicated conspiracy involving multiple people (who all keep completely quiet about it) to con an old man into a false-flag operation.
        
        Occam’s Razor would like a word.
        
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        June 10, 2020 12:40pm
      - cmm
        
        I fully acknowledge that he could just be an old coot that got too close, but I would push back on the cops having done the wrong thing and over reacted.
        
        The cops reacted in exactly the right way to a highly suspicious action of a person within stabbing distance.
        
        The cop has to deal with incomplete information, does not know the mental state of the person, if they have a weapon or not.
        
        It is all very well to sit down with ten different video angles and replay the scene after the fact, but the cop on the spot has no such luxury. They have limited information. They must act defensively in a heightened environment.
        
        I don’t think there are too many dots to line up though. He was there with Antifa. He might have then acted alone, but it is very likely they gave him a task.
        
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        June 10, 2020 1:03pm
    - cmm
      
      Than
      
      Lets apply your logic that you can scan a P25 radio from miles away to your statement that he was just filming cops.
      
      You can film them from a fair distance away. If your goal is to film the cops then you don’t have to get within a few cm of the cop. That makes not sense.
      
      The only logical thing is that he was set up by Antifa for the photo op.
      
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      June 10, 2020 12:31pm
      - fernglas
        
        How about applying Occam’s Razor? He was a silly old man who got too close to active Police and was pushed out of the way. He tripped and banged his head. Shit happens.
        
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        June 10, 2020 12:42pm
      - Than
        
        Different goals.
        
        Scanning police equipment, range is a matter of the Rx sensitivity of your scanner.
        
        Filming police at a protest, well of course you want to be as close as possible. By default people have the right to stand wherever the hell they want. The police should have just cause to tell people to move on. And in this case they absolutely did not.
        
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        June 10, 2020 1:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        fernglass, the blood is coming from the front of his ear. He did not hit his ear on the ground.
        Crisis actor with fake blood. Antifa sycophant
        
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        June 10, 2020 1:39pm
      - cmm
        
        Steve Otto: Head injuries will often bleed from the ears. I once did first aid on a guy hit on the top of the head with a knobkerrie that was bleeding out of his ears.
        
        But yes, let’s apply Occam’s Razor:
        1) He was there with Antifa.
        2) Antifa have tactics of deliberately baiting cops, or their enemy, to provoke reactions for the camera.
        3) They often use vulnerable people (eg. women) for better optics.
        4) Old guy is a suitable vulnerable person.
        
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        June 10, 2020 1:59pm
      - cmm
        
        Than
        
        If you want to video police tactics it makes absolutely no sense to get within a few cm of a cop. Have you ever used a phone’s video camera? From that range all you see is wobble.
        
        If you wanted to take photos of equipment you do not need to get closer than a few metres. You’d get a clear picture from that distance. All the stuff can be filmed from a distance away.
        
        Sure, I partially agree with you about Rx sensitivity. But if you want to scan from far with a very high gain antenna it is very challenging to scan a moving target. NFC is even more challenging but a metre or so is still easyish. If he was really trying to scan (and was knowledgeable) then he could have done it from a clandestine device in his pocket.
        
        From a technical point of view, getting to within a few cm to scan something via radio makes very little sense. Thus, I believe he was conned into it by his Antifa mates bullshitting him.
        
        Nobody has a right to come within stabbing distance of a cop acting suspiciously with what could be a weapon.
        
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        June 10, 2020 4:11pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have seen a closeup photo of this man. There seems to be a small plastic tube following the elastic of his mask. Fake blood – crisis actor
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:37pm
    - cmm
      
      Could well be, but a head injury would still cause bleeding from the ears.
      
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      June 10, 2020 2:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You all make up your own minds. But don’t tell me this crisis actor shit does not happen.
      https://www.ibtimes.sg/police-handling-elderly-buffalo-man-fall-was-staged-fake-blood-used-claims-social-media-46342
      
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      June 10, 2020 2:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        More.
        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270383505768316929.html?fbclid=IwAR2-KunuxppwHCnPxfPSc3UmUPVlSLZLjuiBk_mP0EXvu7Zl8hWx4PhMF2g
        
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        June 10, 2020 2:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  Looked to me like he was approaching the police holding some kind of weapon.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:12am
- Nookin
  
  “It is just an utterly nonsense explanation.”
  It seems to me that it is not a matter of what Trump thought he might be doing but what Gugino thought he might be doing.
  
  After all, we have just had a proliferation of arson attacks on cell towers seemingly attributed to the conviction that G5 caused the coronavirus.
  Maybe Gugino thought that his device had special powers?
  Who knows?
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:46am
- cmm
  
  Than
  
  I too understand a bit about electronics and P25 and I likely also worked for that same company in the same building you did for a while.
  
  There are more things than P25 radio, or mobile radio in general, to be scanned. There’s a whole lot more to on-body electronics than just comms radios. These days there’s a good chance cops have BT and NFC comms on some equipment.
  
  That said, some weirdo “trying to scan” is a very different thing to making a technically feasible scan. It could be this old coot thought he could use his cellphone to scan the cop for being a cyborg or an alien. Who the hell knows!
  
  What the hell he’s trying to scan there I don’t know, but waving an unknown item in a cop’s personal space is an aggressive act and that cop did the right thing to act defensively.
  
  Given that there are taser-like devices disguised to look like cellphones, an item waved around like that is to be treated as a threat and taken seriously.
  
  The cop does not have the choice of having a 20 minute discussion. He only has a second to act with very limited information.
  
  I think he did the right thing in the circumstances.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:57am
- MCos
  
  You ain’t going to make any headway with people whose brains have been fried by the light that shines out of Trump’s arse.
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:26pm
- NZK3v
  
  “I work in radio communications. This is my field. And there is just so much stupid here it’s hard to know where to start.”
  
  Don’t be so harsh on yourself.
  
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  June 10, 2020 3:03pm
- C J Southern
  
  In my humble opinion he went looking for trouble … and found it.
  
  FFS; I’m no martial arts expert but even I know that the best defence against police in a situation like that is “200 yards and increasing”.
  
  If you mess with the bulls don’t complain if you get the horn.
  
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  June 10, 2020 3:10pm
Critical Thinker

The insidious march of cultural Marxism in NZ:

Spark has launched a formal investigation into a member of its events team after she made a disparaging remark about Black Lives Matter protesters on social media:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/spark-launches-investigation-into-staffer-over-black-lives-matter-post.html
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June 10, 2020 10:30am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Uber Eats waives delivery fees for black-owned restaurants:
  https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6162441667001/#sp=show-clips
  
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  June 10, 2020 10:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    What about a white guy that “identifies” as a negro?
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:12pm
- emmess
  
  Fucking hell
  Spark have brought the new Cultural Revolution here
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:59am
Swifty

What is it, four or five people murdered in NZ in the last week or so?

Three month old murdered in South Auckland, human remains found just off the Desert Road and three arrested, ‘brutally beaten’ four year old finally released from Starship after many months but with a very tough road still ahead, immigrant health worker murdered on the North Shore, gang violence claims Rogue member in the Waikato, a one-year-old murdered in Clover Park, three men shot in Mt Roskill, one man shot dead in Otara, one man murdered in Manurewa.

And not one hikoi, not one single person marching up Queen St or Lambton Quay, not one march on Parliament.

One person killed by policeman in another country and suddenly there are mass protests here in little old NZ.

Why do you think this is? Why the double-standards? Why are there not similar mass demonstrations at the Chinese treatment of their minorities? Putin’s treatment of his opponents and who are regularly murdered? Wholesale state murder in parts of Africa? Minorities hacking each other to death on London streets? Sunnis and Shia blowing each other up killing dozens at a time with such frequency we’ve become blase about it?

Ever get the feeling that you’re being used?
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June 10, 2020 10:41am
- Tall Man
  
  I shot a couple of magpies in sympathy, does that count?
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:11pm
I remember when

Finally heard mention of the topic that may be the best way to attack Jacinda in Question Time.
It is the WOMEN who have suffered because of the covid-19 lockdown levels. Their loss of their businesses, their financial losses, the loss of their jobs and the impact of these losses.
The ways her policies have had a detrimental effect on women and how they have been the victims of those policies.
This will remove her major influence the support of the segment of the population she represents.
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June 10, 2020 10:41am
kwkiwigirl

I really feel sorry for Greg Foran and the team at Air NZ. The NZ media has decided to use them as whipping boy for all the frustrations the NZ public and the lockdown effects. As part of NZ’s small minded navel gazing, the bulk of the population is focusing on their $200 that Air NZ owes them from their flight to Queenstown that didn’t go ahead.

Easy target for the left wing NZ, pathetic, media and gains a lot of eye balls and engagement with the NZ households.

Air NZ is facing serious cash flow issues and to be honest their Air NZ refunds, in the scheme of things are small fish compared to some of the other issues facing NZ. I don’t think they would have done any worse in handling this, than any other airline round the world at present.

Incidentally I was glad to see the CEO of the Warehouse stating this week, that the recent 1000 redundancies, are in part due to the lockdown decisions of Ardern and co, not entirely due to the retail landscape approaching the covid lockdown.

Would be good if some of this attention by the NZ media turned to some of the long term effects of Ardern’s over zealous lockdown will have on NZ for many years to come. She seems to escape any proper scrutiny. Was good to see Fran O’Sullivan’s piece today in the Herald, suggesting Ardern should take a holiday, for hers and the good of NZ.
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June 10, 2020 10:49am
- MCos
  
  I don’t feel sorry for Greg Foran.
  
  He’s still got a job on a pretty good salary, not selling barbecue pork and sticky rice on the street like some ex ThaiAirways pilots.
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone ever seen our PM knitting?

Is there any evidence that she can knit?
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June 10, 2020 11:00am
- Harriet
  
  Yep – Jeffro’s cardi. 😎
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s a Gizzy Op-shop bargain.
    What a dag: Clarke Gayford’s op shop ‘dad’ cardigan
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12076870
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:35pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggy, look at the man’s face and wonder what is going through his mind.
      
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      June 10, 2020 3:04pm
- cmm
  
  I’m picking no.
  
  Knitting is far too practical.
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:38am
- Tall Man
  
  No one’s ever seen me knitting …… But I can 🙂
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:09pm
  - stigie
    
    One pearl, one plain, is that how it goes TM..?
    
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    June 10, 2020 2:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Knit one pearl one silly ?
      
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      June 10, 2020 4:29pm
      - stigie
        
        You are so correct !~
        
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        June 10, 2020 5:25pm
Maggie Pie

Nukki Kaye and Todd Mullah have told Judith Collins “she will need to issue a public apology” for language she was heard to use at yesterdays Select Committee meeting.

When asked what she thought about Andy (the cap) Costa, and his decision to disband the ART’s, Chrusher was heard to mutter, “Oh for fucks sake!”

Although she did try to explain that she’d just spilt hot teas down her front 😀
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June 10, 2020 11:20am
- cmm
  
  My opinion of Collins will go down a peg or two if she does apologise.
  
  What are they trying to do? Out-Cunliffe Cunliffe?
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:40am
  - skyblue
    
    Is Todd Muller proud to be a man?
    
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    June 10, 2020 1:37pm
- Nookin
  
  It seems as though Judith’s momentary and spontaneous inability to curb her tongue or manage the mute button warrants headlines on Stuff.
  There are people who are going to be offended by just about anything National says. If it does not come instinctively, they will make a very concerted effort to ensure that they are horrendously offended or appear so.
  I doubt whether any swinging voters would be overly impressed by trivial outcries of horror but, by the same token, it does pay to be careful. It’s a bit like “stick to your knitting”.
  You will probably find that phrase in countless publications and in countless contexts. As it is currently used, it is wholly unrelated to any sexist innuendo and I doubt even whether the Prime Minister considered that for a second.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121780498/mp-judith-collins-muttered-swear-during-select-committee-zoom-call
  https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/238941/origin-of-stick-to-your-knitting
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Fascinating history of the F word
  https://www.bbc.com/reel/playlist/word-for-word?vpid=p08fy0yd
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:59pm
- Komata
  
  Maggie P@1120
  
  Are these two for real?????,
  
  Do they REALLY believe what they are saying , without realising how monumentally stupid and weak they (and inter alia the NZ National Party) look)?
  
  Whether or not they are aware of it, their latest little episode has done them no credit whatsoever, and reinforced the point that the Nats have no policies, no ideology, no founding document, in short absolutely and utterly and totally nothing that justifies their continued existence as a separate organisation with a different ideology from that of the NZLP, as well as showing that they are totally and completely useless. On that basis, who on earth would want to vote for them? They are no different from their pretend enemies, the NZLP / COL. Sorry Tony S, but your party has reached the end of its ideological journey, to the extent that they might just as well merge with the NZ LP! The ‘Socialists / Communists’ have won, and there is now absolutely no difference between the two organisations.
  
  Sic transit gloria etc. etc.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:11pm
Swifty

Express your opinion and we’ll drum you out of your job….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/spark-launches-investigation-into-staffer-over-black-lives-matter-post.html
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June 10, 2020 11:21am
- burt
  
  Time to consider which country to move to.
  
  NZ is well on it’s way to becoming New Venezealand and realistically there is no hope of a change of direction when free speech is all but banned and you are a traitor if you question the actions of government.
  
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  June 10, 2020 12:16pm
Swifty

Somali immigrant wants to turn Minneapolis into Somalia:

https://leakreality.com/video/2838/ilhan-omar-calls-for-the-defunding-and-dismantling-of-minneapolis-police-department
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June 10, 2020 11:31am
- burt
  
  So integrating exactly as planned then.
  
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  June 10, 2020 2:24pm
BushBaby

This caught my eye on Interest.co.nz. Median house rents up 17.5% in the past 2.5 years under this “Govt” of losers. +$70 per week. Kind of eats away any benefit and min wage rises eh?
https://www.interest.co.nz/charts/real-estate/rents-median
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June 10, 2020 11:38am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  That’s all because of 9 years of neglect…
  
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  June 10, 2020 2:20pm
  - C J Southern
    
    Many from the left like to mention “9 years of neglect”.
    
    None however mention where National were supposed to get the money to fund the infrastructure and services at optimal levels whilst having no other option but to borrow heavily to keep hospitals, schools, emergency services, prisons (etc) functioning during the GFC & 3 major regional earthquakes.
    
    If they’d taken the same kind of fiscally irresponsible path that Labour are taking now, we’d have had so much debt that the country would have been unable to borrow what Labour are borrowing now due to excessive risk and insufficient equity (we’d have been technically insolvent).
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:01pm
oldfella

I hope the local BLM crowd will now turn their attention to ‘Uighur Lives Matter’.
https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/06/09/chinese-re-education-camps-ask-detainees-pick-crime-off-list-holding-sham-trial/
The sooner we decouple our futures from that monstrous regime, the better for NZ.
Trade with China? If we must. Trust them? No way.
Remember, ‘China is asshole.’
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June 10, 2020 11:42am
- skyblue
  
  Hong Kong is the arsehole, China is the tumor up it.
  
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  June 10, 2020 1:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    Hong Kong is a pimple on China’s butt and it’s going to get popped.
    
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    June 10, 2020 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

And to this day, young white females are STILL the major prize of human trafficking. Just saying.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaE0dEIWoAAbtEs?format=jpg&name=small
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June 10, 2020 11:47am
- Critical Thinker
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
  
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  June 10, 2020 11:53am
- mandk
  
  Yes, but we don’t talk about that because the traffickers were/are brown moslems.
  
  Just like we don’t talk about the fact that the vast majority of terrorism incidents around the world are committed in the name of Allah.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:17pm
- cmm
  
  Thousands of British soldiers and sailors died fighting the slave trade on the East African coast well into the 1900s.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
  
  But no, somehow I should feel bad coz I’m white.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:27pm
Swifty

I wonder what all the pakehas who protested Muller’s hat have to say to these people?

https://leakreality.com/video/2236/african-american-trump-supporters-call-biden-racist-for-saying-we-ain-t-black-because-we-don-t-support-him
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June 10, 2020 12:16pm
Nookin

Telling someone to stick to their knitting is certainly not unparliamentary. It regularly crosses the party divide.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansS_20091014_00001360/woodhouse-michael-immigration-bill-in-committee

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/50HansS_20121127_00000897/dean-jacqui-local-government-act-2002-amendment-bill

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansS_20091014_00001209/hodgson-pete-immigration-bill-in-committee

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/50HansS_20140415_00000472/graham-kennedy-questions-for-oral-answer-questions

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/47HansS_20040317_00001049/awatere-huata-donna-general-debates

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20180411_077100000/webb-duncan

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/49HansS_20110518_00001427/shearer-david-royal-society-of-new-zealand-amendment

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20180926_071400000/russell-deborah
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June 10, 2020 2:00pm
- mandk
  
  Horror of horrors!
  
  Labour MP, Deborah Russell, was one of those cited above for using the “k” word.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:13pm
graham

I wonder if Ardern will come out and tell us how “angry” she is at Kiwi fashion designer Ingrid Starnes announcing the closure of its stores, due to the impact of Covid-19.

Kiwi fashion designer Ingrid Starnes favoured by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced the “devastating” closure of its stores, due to the impact of Covid-19.

The brand’s co-founder and managing director, Simon Pound, said after 10 years Ingrid Starnes was closing its stores.

It had taken on debt just before lockdown started for a new shop at the $1 billion Commercial Bay development in Auckland’s CBD.

Pound said: “The Covid-19 disruption has been the kind of disruption that if you are at full stretch can be insurmountable.

In a Facebook post the designer, whose clothes were worn by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on her Time magazine cover, said, “We were caught at full stretch by Covid-19 and can not responsibly make another season after months of trade being down more than 80 per cent and debts accumulating.”
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June 10, 2020 2:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  Cindy not being kind? Say it isn’t so.
  
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  June 10, 2020 3:41pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Problem is these closures, as with the thousands of others that don’t make the headlines, have nothing to do with Covid-19.
  
  They are 100% caused by the unnecessary reaction by the current clowns to the possibility of Covid-19, a totally different thing.
  
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  June 10, 2020 3:47pm
  - Two bob
    
    Yup, havnt seen a bank note or coin die of covid yet so the moneys fine its policy and govt over reach thats done the damage
    
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    June 10, 2020 8:11pm
- mandk
  
  No doubt the Chair of the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee, Deborah Russell, will chastise the company for not being sufficiently far-sighted and resilient.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:05pm
Suze Wainwright

Who will sign my petition demanding the immediate banning of the song Brown Sugar by The Rolling Stones?

I’m perpetually outraged by its references to a scarred old slaver, tent show queens and black girls dancing like they should. Furthermore, I’d like to see Mick Jagger formally indicted on charges of misogynistic racism…

(Aside from that, I still find its beat really gets my toes tapping)
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June 10, 2020 2:29pm
- MrTips
  
  Indeed. And you won’t hear this tune at a Church near you anytime soon either.
  
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  June 10, 2020 3:50pm
  - Mike
    
    “Jesus Christ is my nigger”
    
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    June 10, 2020 6:44pm
- oldfella
  
  Suze, if you really wanted to petition to ban misogynistic songs, you could add many black rap videos to your hit list.
  But maybe ‘Black Rap Matters’, as long as you have no issues with women being portrayed as scantily clad ‘hoes’ and ‘sluts’ and ‘niggas’ who are gaggin’ for it.
  Nah, who are we whiteys to even have an opinion on such matters?
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:13pm
Jack5

British football fans – sometimes branded football hooligans – are guarding Winston Churchill’s defaced statue in London, and others are threatening to descend on London this weekend to defend other statues from black demonstrators.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8404751/Police-fear-violence-erupt-London-football-hooligans-hold-counter-protests.html
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June 10, 2020 3:56pm
- Jack5
  
  The organiser of the rally to pull down the Cecil Rhodes statue in Oxford has been Ndjodi Ndeunyema, a law student and former Rhodes scholar.
  
  Ndeunyema’s education has been partly funded by a trust set up by the 19th century colonialist.
  
  He is reported in the Daily Mail as saying “Rhodes is not worthy of veneration or glorification because of the racism and subjugation he represents”.
  
  Perhaps Ndeunyema and other Rhodes beneficiaries among the protesters should give back the money.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:18pm
mandk

Whoever would have foreseen this?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12338776

It’s another failure to deliver by the CoL but, more than that, it has been a cruel hoax on the victims’ families and then nation.
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June 10, 2020 4:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/police-keep-antifa-away-columbus-statues-taping-job-applications-onto?fbclid=IwAR3w6yYztCUme5Sc3nqQ3tg51qJRB959brAVi7knS2vWTFfOx6qcRY-IOuc
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June 10, 2020 4:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And – Al Bundy put working boots into all of the Nike boxes before he left the shoe store
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:11pm
- Jack5
  
  ?Steve Otto, re your link: that is a great solution. I like the advice of Los Angeles police chief Charlie Beck to all Americans who want to protect statues of Christopher Columbus:
  
  “These Antifa thugs won’t go anywhere near an opportunity for gainful employment …
  
  “We urge other American cities: if you want to protect your statues of Columbus, just head to the nearest McDonald’s or Walmart and ask for a stack of job applications. Get some tape and stick them all over the statue, and you can pretty much just go about your day at that point.”
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:24pm
Tony Stuart

Major backdown from Andrew Little today:

The minister in charge of the Pike River Mine recovery effort, Andrew Little, says it is “just impractical” to expect the remains of all of the fallen miners to be recovered.

Instead, the re-entry efforts are now essentially solely focused on gathering evidence in the “homicide of 29 men”, Little told a select committee hearing this morning.

The 29 miners died in an explosion at the mine in November 2010.

Speaking to MPs this morning, Little also revealed that there would be no further funding for re-entry.

This comes after the cost of the project has more than doubled since its inception.

Re-entry originally had a $23 million budget but the Government has already spent roughly $35m and that that could reach as high as $50m.

But that, according to Little, is the absolute funding limit.

“There is always a limit to these things – I have no plan or intention of returning to Cabinet for any further additional resources.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12338776

Andrew Little has finally come to the same realisation that John Key did; that it is impracticable to safely recover any human remains from Pike River mine. Doubtless there will be another emotional reaction from “the families” tonight on TV, but the reality is that not all the families want recovery operations to continue, and a number simply want to move on.

It’s just a shame that Labour’s promise to the Pike River families has cost New Zealand more than $50 million. Once the current evidence-gathering is complete, Pike River needs to be permanently sealed.
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June 10, 2020 4:38pm
- Jack5
  
  Now Little claims the tunnel entry’s about finding evidence of “homicide”.
  
  What possible evidence lay inside the access tunnel what wasn’t already available? It doesn’t seem the diggers will get further in than the access tunnel.
  
  Creating indignation about “homicide” must be to divert voters’ anger about the $50 million of taxpayer money wasted.
  
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  June 10, 2020 4:48pm
- Ruahine
  
  It was only ever about politics. It was only ever about slagging John Key. It is a great taxpayer funded make work scheme. But Hey! Whats $50 million. Plenty more where that came from.
  
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  June 10, 2020 5:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  All that money could have gone to better use building a new hospital in Greymouth.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/412760/west-coast-hospital-to-be-built-in-face-of-covid-19-crisis
  
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  June 10, 2020 5:44pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  What about the culpability of those who refused permission for an open cast cast mine which is the global engineers approved mode of operation for a gas producing seam mine?
  
  The real crime was committed before turning the first sod.
  
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  June 10, 2020 7:07pm
- C J Southern
  
  This is something that I’ve been following closely.
  
  Interestingly, when down in ChCh for some spinal cord surgery I ended up going for a walk and sitting on a bench next to a chap who used to lay the explosives at the head of the mine at Pike River – he had the good fortune to break an ankle a few days before the explosion.
  
  Having followed the event closely I was keen to talk to him about the latest recovery effort. I asked him how they’d get past the rockfall to reach the deceased – he said “they won’t”.
  
  Roll forward a year and … he was 100% correct.
  
  As others have astutely alluded to, this was never about recovering bodies – it was only ever a political publicity stunt.
  
  This is what REALLY pisses me off about Labour; they have so many sucked in to believing that “they’re the party that cares about people” when the reality is they’ll milk any disaster like Pike River – or the ChCh massacre – or White Island – or COVID to pull on heart strings to get votes. National on the other hand are about business success – which in-turn means greater tax revenue – which in-turn means more money available to fund social policy.
  
  Labour are incompetent custodians of the country and shameless exploiters of human misery. And STILL the clueless public think they’re angels sent by god to save us.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:14pm
- Two bob
  
  it was already permanently sealed and these clowns just spent millions unsealing it. wonder how much it will cost us to seal it back up again?
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:17pm
- C J Southern
  
  Just for the record:
  
  14th November 2018:
  “The aim of re-entry is to recover any bodies of the men that might be in the mine drift and gather any evidence of what might have caused the methane explosion.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/108581760/were-going-in–government-unveils-decision-to-reenter-pike-river-mine
  
  10 June 2020:
  “Recovery of bodies in Pike River mine workings ‘impractical'”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/121788098/recovery-of-bodies-in-pike-river-mine-workings-impractical
  
  Think how many lives would have been saved if the $50M wasted on this vote-buying exercise had instead been invested in new operating theatres – or more ambulances – or life-saving cancer drugs like Keytruda – or MRI or CT scanners.
  
  29 lives lost was a huge tragedy. The additional lives lost because the “government” wasted money on this pointless exercise make it a far bigger tragedy.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Prominent Australian Greens campaigner up on child sex abuse charges
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-10/greens-candidate-jonathan-doig-chaged-with-child-sex-offences/12338828
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June 10, 2020 4:45pm
surfing

Sick joke or not?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12338776
Pike River: Andrew Little says it is ‘just impractical’ to expect all bodies to be recovered

What is the point of this whole exercise then? Little is now admitting to what I said in the first instance. I have doubts as to whether they will even recover a single body.

How many lives could have been saved if the pike river recovery money had just been given to pharmac?

As usual, labour stuff it up!
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June 10, 2020 4:47pm
- Two bob
  
  they may be lucky to retrieve even 1 bodie, those boys were miners they work deep in a mine extracting coal not leaning on shovels at the end of the entrance drift, saftey protocol would dictate where survivors are to assemble in emergency and correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure that is far beyond where this operation can access.
  this will likely end up being the most expensive evidence gathering procedure in nz history… and thats if they even find the source of explosion.
  My prediction is nothing usefull comes of it and it becomes NZs most expensive grave. (No offence to victims and family, an old co worker of mine is still in there R.I.P)
  
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  June 10, 2020 5:46pm
david

Now that the crisis is over, everything is back to normal and all is sweetness and light, isn’t to just lovely that the team captain can muse about those dark days when she was staring down the virus and rolling up her sleeves to save us all from a fate much, much, much worse than death.
Perhaps she would do well to reflect on a much more damaging crisis that is facing not only the current team, but a couple of generations yet to start playing.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121771501/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-recalls-dark-days-during-covid-crisis

God defend New Zealand.
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June 10, 2020 5:01pm
Jack5

The Woke are coming for white New Zealand colonialists …

First up for the chop: Edward Gibbon Wakefield, a pioneer instigator of colonial settlement of New Zealand, who also helped settlement of the convict-free state of South Australia.

Former Australian Federal Cabinet Minister Christopher Pyne has called for the renaming of the Adelaide electorate of Wakefield, because it was named for Edward Gibbon Wakefield. Pyne says Wakefield was “convicted child abductor”.

According to the Encyclopedia of New Zealand, Wakefield at the age of 20 eloped with a 16-year-old girl. She died after becoming his wife, and ten years after his marriage Wakefield abducted a 15-year-old girl with the plan of making her his wife. The unconsummated marriage was annulled and Wakefield went to prison. It was while studying while a prisoner that he came up with his colonisation ideas.

The Encyclopedia says critics fail to see that the qualities which allowed Wakefield to deviate from the norms of acceptable conduct also enabled him to be an intellectual innovator.

Australia’s Woke are also after the statue of Charles Cameron Kingston in Adelaide’s Victoria Square, where “Black Lives Matter” protesters gathered on Saturday. Kingston is regarded as one of the godfathers of the White Australia policy.
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June 10, 2020 5:13pm
- surfing
  
  Captain Cook is now on the hit list .
  
  In fact, the murder of a black person in America could set maori race relations back 100 years.
  
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  June 10, 2020 8:33pm
Harriet

White privilege?

Go tell that to the Union Army! 😎
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June 10, 2020 5:48pm
[email protected]

Don’t know about you but since we went to Level 1 and businesses have been allowed to re-open in Whangarei, the level of service and courtesy has improved substantially.

I now feel that our custom and support for local business has created an improved awareness of the need to treat paying customers well.

There was one Auckland company that took the opportunity to raise their prices substantially and we now no longer deal with them.

Live and learn.
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June 10, 2020 6:28pm
RW Capitalist

So they are taring down statues in the UK, claiming slavery build the British economy.
Truth
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Slavery-Abolition-Act
Britain abolished slavery in 1833.
Around the time that the real reason the British economy took off, started…the Industrial revolution.
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June 10, 2020 6:29pm
- Mike
  
  Are you trying to claim that the Atlantic slave trade made no contribution to the rise of British power?
  
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  June 10, 2020 6:52pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    No more than Slavery helped the Maori.
    
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    June 10, 2020 7:33pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Didn’t say that at all.
    But if you must use presentism ie judge the past by today morality.
    You must ask, how did we get today’s morality?
    From learning from past wrongs, mistakes etc.
    We learned and abolished slavery.
    You could say, by destroying the reminders, you are NOT learning from the past.
    and
    Those who don’t learn from their past mistakes etc, are doomed to repeat them.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:28pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300031951/covid19-cook-islands-plea-to-nz-we-are-family-family-support-each-other

I was reading this article and became quite sympathetic towards the Cook Islands, but then read the bits by Helen Clark.
Why is she involved ?
This put me right off, I lost all interest in the issue.
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June 10, 2020 6:39pm
- Mike
  
  You don’t feel that a former PM, and also head of the UNDP, has any qualifications to speak about our relationship with the Cook Islands?
  
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  June 10, 2020 6:55pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The old dragon got the arse card 12 years ago. She needs to shut the fuck up.
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:22pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Same woman that destroyed our economy and “left the cupboard bare”?
    
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    June 10, 2020 9:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It was such a random insert…
No context at all as to why she was commenting on a matter that is being handled by current Heads of State.
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June 10, 2020 7:13pm
Jack5

Scott Hamilton, who hasn’t showed up at Kiwiblog for a while, is at Wide a-Woke strength in the Hooerald today, on European statues in New Zealand.

This time he’s described as a “pakeha historian”.

Hamilton is scathing about NZ towns’ “von Tempsky” streets and says we should consider:

” …the many Irish and Scottish migrants who sympathised with and even fought alongside Maori against the British, or supplied ammunition and weapons to Te Kooti, or those who themselves were brought to New Zealand as slaves or in forced labour.”

Irish and Scots slaves? What are you on about, Scott? It was the Maori who were a slave society, and a lot more Maori fought on the British side than vice-versa.

The Hooerald report also quotes a Poverty Bay Maori rubbishing Captain Cook and saying of him: “His connections with slavery are also rarely discussed.”

A Maori talking about white slave ownership. Jesus wept!

The Hooerald is so Left wing its head is over its left shoulder and up its arse. Still, we won’t have to decide for much longer not to buy it.

Scott Hamilton spits the dummy on white colonialism:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12338451
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