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fernglas

The argument over Covid-19 seems to be dominated by the belief that it’s lives over money.
But it’s not about money, it’s about society. Society is a combination of a wide-ranging group of factors, and it is naive to assume that they can be separated into neat little binary conflicts, like health vs. the economy. The purely health-driven response to this virus has been “one life lost is one too many”, which is patently absurd. The other side of it, to hell with health, money is the object, is equally bad. What is lacking in this whole debate is any broad-ranging attempt at consensus. Instead, we have been cowed into submission by a compliant and irresponsible media which has been happy to scare people to get attention, and self-appointed experts who have yet to give anyone an accurate picture of what this virus actually means. The result is a public whose perceptions are deeply flawed. A recent survey taken in the UK, Denmark,US, France and Sweden (all relatively sophisticated societies) found that while about 50% put the percentage of total population in their country who had died at 1% or less, the balance had it at anything from 2% up to 51%, with about 25% saying 5-40%. The actual percentage in the UK is 0.1%. Those types of figures suggest that rational and evidence -based consideration of the virus is not possible. Government and the Ministry of Health have a duty to explain the facts to us, but instead, it seems there is a concerted campaign of disinformation to ensure compliance. In short, we are being lied to.
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August 10, 2020 8:01am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Shhh, Labour’s marketing team will think ‘Jacinda’s New Society’ has a certain ring to it…
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:18am
- Tall Man
  
  I was listening to Leah Panapa on Magic on Friday night on our way back to our hotel.
  
  She told a caller that “it isn’t the flu” and “millions have died”. I flicked her a text stating that approx 700,000 had died, not millions but the point stands. She is in the media yet still doesn’t have the facts.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:25am
  - fernglas
    
    I don’t think the media want the facts, or if they do, they are not sharing them with us. TVNZ news last night was pretty typical; a dire warning about complacency from Ashley Bloomfield followed by a piece about a woman who clearly has chronic fatigue syndrome as a consequence of having the virus. No mention that this is a possible consequence of all viruses, nor that there is another 1500 people, at least who have tested positive and have had other experiences. It was almost as if there was some agreement that the warning from Bloomfield would be reinforced by a horror story to keep the peasants in their place. While the single-minded obsession with eliminating this virus is not being subjected to any type of evidence-based scrutiny by the media, one can only assume that they have abandoned any pretence of objectivity in favour of becoming the show poodles of an autocratic and outdated response. Given that this government is pinning its re-election on its coronavirus response, it is shameful that the efficacy and necessity of it is almost unquestioned. The media, in short, is not impartial, and it is a disgrace.
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:54am
    - Ruawai
      
      I saw friends 20 year old daughter playing hockey on the weekend who had Covid about 8 weeks ago and she was running around just fine.
      
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      August 10, 2020 9:29am
      - fernglas
        
        I had it three months ago and I was on my feet the whole time, and symptom free within 10 days. But if I dared to mention this on Facebook, Twitter or around the dinner table, I would be shouted down. Some people clearly relish the drama, but there are others who are genuinely terrified. The mental health issues to come will be truly horrible, particularly for those who feel most vulnerable. They won’t die of Covid, they will die of fear and loneliness. There must be some sort of reassurance from the Government and Health but there is none. Perhaps they should consult with those affected, rather than acting out of “empathy” which is a buzzword for being patronising, or from a myopic purely medical standpoint. I am voting for whoever has the courage to stand up and tell us the truth.
        
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        August 10, 2020 10:26am
  - Ruahine
    
    She is in the Media. The Media are not really about facts. Ignorance is Bliss.
    
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    August 10, 2020 9:59am
    - sooty
      
      50mill buys lots of ignorance!
      
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      August 10, 2020 11:18am
  - Chris R
    
    Tall Man:About a dozen years ago Leah was the hard-case go-to gal on the Rock in the mornings. I think at that time she reached the summit of her abilities and ought to have remained there. Her perceptions as to covid are emblematic of her ability to reason/question.
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:02am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    She is a Jacinda poodle. What else you expect?
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:15am
  - JackRabbit
    
    It will need to get to well over a million to compete with annual flu figures.
    
    And the 700,000 is death with Covid-19, not death by Covid-19.
    
    And as is now coming out, tests that show positive for Covid-19 includes testing positive for other Corona Virus variants. Corona Viruses are part of the overall flu variant statistics.
    
    A bit like saying the murderer was the drunk guy at the all night party. Take your pick.
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:30am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yes, well, it was Leah Panapa after all. Not the sharpest utensil in the cutlery drawer.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:26pm
- Caine9
  
  The media as a whole has no interest in the truth or any kind of honesty. Creating outrage and fear is how they keep people engaged and that is all they are really interested in.
  The idea that the Media has an inalienable right to hold those in authority to account with no one doing the same for them has ensured a biased and untouchable elite that is extremely dangerous.
  Protecting the polished image of Saint Jacinda seems to be the number one priority of Labour and the Media as Labour really don’t have anything else. Notice how there is an almost universal outcry should her integrity dare be questioned. Despite the evidence….
  Then again she is a good communicator, so I guess that makes her one of them.
  Maintaining the fear around COVID-19 diverts voters away the other matters of substance and the failures of the current crowd.
  The ongoing misinformation spread as official governmental advice, for example, with Labour Party influencer Stacey Morrison doing the voice overs. It grates every time I hear it.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:12am
  - Bob
    
    NO!!! she is not a good communicator. She is a good theatrical entertainer; a quality that a person needs when they have nothing of factually accurate content to say, or don’t understand the facts that they are supposed to be communicating
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:23pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Then again she is a good communicator”
    
    Nah, she is an effective communicator, in that her communication causes an effect. Quite different from being a good communicator. Anyone with intelligence listening to her knows she is very accomplished at Double Speak.
    
    Saying lots but saying nothing.
    Saying things in such a way that makes you think she has a particular view when she doesn’t.
    Using double negatives inter-spaced with filler that obscures the double speak.
    Responding to questions that obscure, blur or avoid any specifics.
    
    Waffle.
    
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    August 10, 2020 1:45pm
Tony Stuart

Where was the oversight from Ministers Robertson, Twyford and Parker in signing off a PGF application that did not meet the PGF criteria?

The Provincial Growth Fund is bankrolling a horse-racing track in the middle of Christchurch to the tune of $10.5 million, despite officials saying the project doesn’t meet the fund’s criteria.

Racing Minister and New Zealand First leader Winston Peters announced in May that the all-weather track in Riccarton would be funded, along with another track in Manawatu’s Awapuni.

Documents obtained by RNZ show the Provincial Development Unit (PDU), which administers the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF), opposed paying for the synthetic tracks, saying the fund was for projects in the regions not urban centres.

“The proposed Riccarton Park synthetic racing track is located in Christchurch City, which is ineligible for PGF funding,” officials wrote.

They also questioned whether the tracks would provide the other benefits required by the fund’s criteria.

The PDU “assessed that the project did not meet the PGF’s criteria” and it was “unclear as to the extent the proposal would increase productivity”, despite likely benefits of job retention and security for industry workers.

The PDU said the racecourses would each likely create 30 construction jobs, although it was “unknown” whether permanent jobs would be created.

There is already a racing track in Christchurch, New Zealand’s second largest city, as well as one in Awapuni, though neither can be used in wet weather.

In a checklist to assess whether the tracks would benefit the community, the PDU said consultation had been largely confined to the racing industry.

“There is no evidence provided that indicates public consultation has occurred on the proposal or with regional economic development governance groups.”

Despite the concerns, the minister in charge of the PGF, NZ First’s Shane Jones, and Labour Ministers Phil Twyford, Grant Robertson and David Parker, approved the funding.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/423144/how-a-christchurch-city-race-track-bagged-provincial-growth-fund-money

Is it any wonder that the Auditor-General was so scathing about the PGF and its oversight and transparency last week? The stench around this PGF application is not confined to horse manure!
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August 10, 2020 8:02am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  to sum it up in one word CORRUPTION
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How very convenient that the media highlight this scambo now that Parliament has risen.
  
  Will the media challenge the Prime-Minister or Grant Robertson about this matter?
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:18am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    Dont be silly the toughest question theyll put to cindy before the election will be “what will you be wearing on election day?”
    
    even if they do ask itll get brushed off as a nz1st issue and no comment its in the hands of x for investigation.
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:22am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ha ha ha, you’re funny Maggy …
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:26am
  - artemisia
    
    Still time for written questions to Ministers.
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:32am
  - igm
    
    They will not be challenged as it may “jepradize” (jeopardise) their share of the $50 million compliance fund!
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    If Cindy has any degree of honesty, she would immediately recall parliament and debate this issue. Will she? No, of course not. Honesty, Cindy and the Labour Party are words that should never appear in the same sentence.
    Similarly, this PGF Scam would never pass the pub test. Pass it to the SFO.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:06pm
- peterwn
  
  Did Grant see a Treasury Report, or are Shane Jones’ projects exempt from the usual need to obtain a Treasury Report before going to a Cabinet Committee. Or are these projects exempt from needing Cabinet approval?
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:28am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I can answer both questions.
    
    There is no requirement for papers going to Cabinet Committees to “obtain a Treasury Report”. However usually Treasury would advise the Minister of Finance about proposals in such papers in a Treasury Report.
    
    On your second question, these projects are exempt from Cabinet approval. IIRC the approval is delegated to a group of Ministers. Treasury would almost certainly advise the Minister of Finance on these. However it may be constrained by lack of information and the large numbers of projects.
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:46am
    - Prince
      
      The article says Robertson, Twyford and Parker sign off on the funding.
      
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      August 10, 2020 9:00am
      - Ruawai
        
        JA can’t blame NZ First then if it was her ministers.
        
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        August 10, 2020 9:32am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        If these three Ministers had signing rights, the report would have gone to all 3, and Treasury comment would be included.
        
        So, didn’t qualify by their own shitty rules, but Ministers approved funding anyway.
        
        Why are Ministers in the chain of decision-making accountability for a grant fund anyway? Most improper.
        
        But in the circumstances pretty canny of MBIE and Treasury. Their hands are clean(ish)
        
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        August 10, 2020 9:55am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Correct Nigel, which is precisely the reason why I raised the issue. The Auditor-General was concerned about accountability within the PGF, and this shows he had good cause.
        
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        August 10, 2020 11:09am
    - peterwn
      
      “There is no requirement for papers going to Cabinet Committees to “obtain a Treasury Report” ”
      What ?
      When I was in the game, a Treasury Report was an absolute requirement when taking a finance proposal to a Cabinet Committee and if the report was adverse the proposal was almost invariably dead in the water.
      So if National get back in, I hope that Judith will ensure that Paul Goldsmith or one of his Associate Finance Ministers are on each Cabinet Committee and that a Treasury Report is a prerequisite to taking an item to the Committee.
      OK, getting Treasury Reports is a pain in the backside for those promoting projects, but I would not have it any other way.
      
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      August 10, 2020 4:18pm
      - Batman
        
        A “Treasury report” as you describe is these days in the form of input from Treasury on the paper concerned, if necessary. Along with any other agencies and a regulatory impact statement.
        
        A lot of the time, funding comes from existing baselines so Treasury aren’t required to give their view.
        
        Besides, they say no to practically everything. It’s an in-joke within Treasury, even!
        
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        August 10, 2020 4:43pm
  - Prince
    
    “the minister in charge of the PGF, NZ First’s Shane Jones, and Labour Ministers Phil Twyford, Grant Robertson and David Parker, approved the funding”
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:50am
- pdm
  
  Riccarton is one of New Zealands best race courses – it does not need an artificial track.
  
  There is nothing wrong with racing on wet and heavy tracks. Remember Koral, Kumai, Robert Earl, Cambridge Fair and Van der Hum to name a few outstanding mudlarks from the old days.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:29am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I don’t know whether it needs it or not, but I’m quite sure it doesn’t need my money! Track gamblers can pay for their hobby.
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:35am
  - tf78
    
    Some horses are bread for the mud – that’s what winter racing is all about. Great time of the year for hurdles and steeple chases.
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:35am
    - G152
      
      Bread for the conditions?????
      Thats the -yeast- of their problems should any -arise-
      
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      August 10, 2020 11:38am
  - kloyd0306
    
    The original track is unaffected. It is not being replaced. The synthetic track is an addition.
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who benefits? Christchurch certainly has race courses in the City including Riccarton. With Winston’s racing associations and Jones NZF membership this feels like another NZF rort.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:37am
  - Prince
    
    Aided and abetted by Labour/Greens.
    
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    August 10, 2020 8:51am
- Nookin
  
  To be fair, Tony, the regions will have a stake in the upgraded course. Money flogged from the regions by the enforced closure, sale and appropriation of regional racecourses will be used to meet the costs.
  
  Why is the RGF being used anyway? There was special legislation passed to do this sort of thing!
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:16am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  They are fixing nine long years of neglect from the last National gummit. Let’s keep movin.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:17am
  - Bob
    
    Sir Cullen…….Lets keep movin BACKWARDS.
    There fixed it for you
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:25pm
- kloyd0306
  
  The synthetic tracks, at Cambridge, Awapuni and Riccarton are emergency tracks so that regional tracks nearby can still race when their own track is waterlogged or unfit for racing. In the case of Riccarton, if a meeting at (regional) Ashburton, Timaru or Blenheim may need to cancel due to their track conditions, the meeting can still proceed on the centralised synthetic track.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:48am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s not the issue Kloyd. The application did NOT meet the requirements of the PGF, Ministers were advised by officials that it did not meet the criteria for PGF funding, yet those same Ministers approved it anyway.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:24pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “There is already a racing track in Christchurch, New Zealand’s second largest city, as well as one in Awapuni, though neither can be used in wet weather.”
  
  Wrong on both counts. The drainage and soil conditions at both tracks are very good, and Riccarton regularly holds race meetings throughout the winter, with very few meetings having to be abandoned or called off early. Awapuni is much the same.
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:42pm
- Nutta
  
  Glue doesn’t need a track
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:22pm
Paulus Gnome

Parliament has risen for the election and the cleaners have managed to get into the debating chamber for a deep clean, so much bullshit wipe up and shredded promises to hoover away . . .

Appears that Trevor went home in his slippers leaving his shoes under his chair . . . .

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August 10, 2020 8:03am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I thought those were Gareth’s
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:15am
artemisia

Newly announced housing policies from Labour and the Greens. They matter a lot because they impact so many people, and already cost taxpayers an eyewatering amount.

Labour’s Residential Development Response Fund is to prop up developers who have developments that are or look like failing. And to buy up places developers can’t sell. (Because?)

This is very clearly a hidden agenda to add to state housing under the covid justification rort, because over 18,000 on the waiting list (and rising) is an embarrassment to a kind and caring government.

At least the Greens are open about taxpayers funding Homes for All. Open that is apart from where the money is coming from.

One small problem with both policies. How many private buyers will be in the slightest bit interested in living in or next to social housing tenants, especially in a densely populated development, probably with no car parking. The failing developments the Labour policy is targeted at are likely to be apartment blocks and other multi unit concentrations. Strangely enough these are the types of homes that investors have traditionally bought as rentals. If some of the developments are failing, why is that when we apparently have a housing shortage.

Half of the social housing waiting list is single people, no children. Think about them in a high density mixed occupancy development. Would you buy?
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August 10, 2020 8:05am
- Prince
  
  Will anyone dare to ask Labour how many of the State houses they claim to have ‘built’ were actually purchased, not built by Housing NZ.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  If developers can’t sell houses maybe, like Te Kauwhata, they built them where no one wants them.
  
  The COL are already showing their incompetence to run a communist command economy. Those are known for misallocations of resources so frequent shortages are the norm along with inflation. The lack of wisdom of planners in determining everything is well proven. They put communities at risk but take none themselves.
  Capitalist do not usually have to front up to summary execution for their mistakes but pay for them out of their own pockets. That adds prudential judgement to their decision making.
  So far all we have had is promises, promises, promises and sorry, it’s coming…
  
  What about conversion/theft of public property without colour of right and Police action being stalled? Have the Police also lost their responsibility to their duty?
  Ihumatao should not be tolerated. The land is Fletchers not Cindy R’s.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:52am
  - Paulus
    
    After the election She will continue to keep coming and making promises which never eventuate again but she is still wonnerful.
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:52am
  - artemisia
    
    Ms Collins said today a National led government will repeal Mr Faafoi’s rushed through Residential Tenancies Amendment Bill.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:55pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “ How many private buyers will be in the slightest bit interested in living in or next to social housing tenants, especially in a densely populated development, probably with no car parking.”
  
  Here’s how it works: people but in what they think is a nice quiet area. Then councils and/or govt change the planning rules and suddenly a huge concrete monstrosity goes up next door, windows overlooking your backyard, lack of parking clogging your street.
  
  You’re lucky if at least the apartments are owner occupied and not full of tenants who can now, under new rta, torture you with noise and even worse misbehaviour.
  
  All because it’s supposedly green to shove as many people as possible into our previously quiet suburbs.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:47am
Captain Mainwaring

Why does this remind me of the Labour Party spiralling down the gurgler?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/jacinda-arderns-original-artwork-for-sale-on-trade-me/ar-BB17xSav
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August 10, 2020 8:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Because Labour and their COL are spiralling down the gurgler. That was Cindy’s dream on show . It is not going to go the other way and within the next 6 months she will know that.
  She may be defacto Queen of the Beehive but she has no control over the external economy. Once we appreciated how much that affected us, the massive tourism probably smothered that. Now it’s gone. RTZ are pulling out too. Our exchange reserves will be under pressure so will our prices. Oops, a wage/price spiral in the making.
  Robbo having secured the Reserve Bank can indulge in “modern monetary theory” as he pleases. Where are the humongous curent offers of payments being funded from–out of thin air, a.k.a the Reserve Bank and our children’s futures.
  
  Once there was a mechanism for dealing with rogue rulership. We also need to have one now. No government can impose on the people a command economy without their assent and even less without their ability to perform. They have no right to wreck future lives through their inexperience or lack of knowledge. Feelingz make bad rulers.
  ☑️☑️Integrity & ability☑️☑️
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:07am
- Bob
  
  Captain,
  I think that you will come to learn that it represents the spiral into the depths of Recession that this country now faces due to Her, and Robertson’s mismanagement of the economy
  
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  August 10, 2020 5:13pm
godruelf

I wonder if all the visitors for Brenton Tarrant’s sentencing are now in the country given that proceedings will start in 14 days time. Will we find out how many scarce quarantine rooms have been taken up.
It all seems to have gone very quiet.
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August 10, 2020 8:12am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  my mate is in a isolation facility in chch I asked him that on friday and nope just a few kwausies and indians.
  
  I suspect theyll have their very own facility to themselves too meet their special needs and demands.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:27am
- peterwn
  
  It is being remote televised live for victims’ families and selected journos who cannot make it into NZ. However ordinary Kiwis in NZ will not be allowed to view this and there are delay embargoes on when journos can report. This presumably is to give the lawyers the chance to obtain suppression orders for any particular aspect.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:33am
- RJ
  
  Scarce? Perhaps you missed Bloomfield last week, they aren’t even at 60% capacity.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:23am
Maggie Pie

You can tell Chloe Swarbrick is making a serious attempt with her tilt to win Auckland.
The guy at the helm of her campaign office goes by the handle….. ‘Eat My Piss’ 😛

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August 10, 2020 8:13am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Even worse than that, he begins sentences with “So …” That says it all.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:16am
- lifesgood
  
  What rot! I do not believe for one minute a man kicked her door in or her response. Lies, damn lies.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:23am
  - mark15
    
    ‘Its ok,the taxpayer will fix the door’
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:52am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    What really gave it away was when piss-boy said the cops “asked what she wanted done with the man”.
    
    As if.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:46pm
Philview

Message to the National Party. The Government are making an absolute hash of the booking system for the quarantine facilities. Why aren’t you kicking up a storm about this? Even Stuff are commenting on it. I am hearing stories of young Kiwis stranded in London and prevented from boarding flights at the last minute at the request of the NZ Government with no explanation.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300077857/govt-must-stop-trying-to-use-old-soviet-model-to-run-managed-isolation
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August 10, 2020 8:17am
- Jimmy White
  
  But Comrade the booking system worked well in the Gulags.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:31am
  - fernglas
    
    Last week Bloomfield proudly said the facilities were at 50-60% capacity, so in effect the policy is unnecessarily impeding NZers from coming home. The organisation of this whole isolation system is pathetic.
    
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    August 10, 2020 9:00am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The COL aspire to be communists so why shouldn’t they copy their models?
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:10am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ee95ulOWAAAxRwv?format=png&name=small
    
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    August 10, 2020 9:22am
Happychappy

It won’t take long for the public to grow sick of Jacinda Ardern and her and her continued whining and blaming others for Labours woes. The crack at John Key and Bill English over the weekend was just another sample of her arrogance and a sample of the attitude about how she believes how great she is.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/08/nz-election-2020-jacinda-ardern-fires-at-john-key-bill-english-s-records-at-labour-campaign-launch.html
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August 10, 2020 8:28am
- Prince
  
  A bit rich given they saw us out of the mess Cullen left us in, got us back to surplus, which Ardern had squandered in two years.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:53am
  - Bullion
    
    How many years of surplus did Cullen have? What was Govt debt at the start of the Clarke govt to when it finished?
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:29am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pride goeth before a fall.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:12am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It won’t take long? She’s been the Prime Minister for nearly three years and there’s no sign whatsoever that the public is growing sick of her.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:37am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Does it count that I get sicker of her every day?
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:55am
- MT_Tinman
  
  It won’t take long for the public to grow sick of Jacinda Ardern and her and her continued whining and blaming others for Labours woes.
  
  “The Public” have had three f@%$ing years to grow sick of the f@%$ing lies etc.
  
  Based on recent polls they want more, not less, of the same.
  
  HM Opposition should hang their heads in shame!
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:41am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  So, those families don’t live in cars any more, but there are 3 times as many of them as before, and now they are living in government funded motels.
  
  Hmmm.
  
  Why aren’t the Sallies and the “caring sector” ™ screaming to the rooftops about this new homelessness and child poverty tsunami?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
  Strangely enough, if Judith wins, I am certain homelessness and child poverty will lead every bulletin for the next 3 years, particularly as an incoming National government would have to address the debt that Labour has run up in three short years.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:04am
  - Nutta
    
    JC will be able to use “three long years of neglect AND INEPTITUDE…”
    
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    August 10, 2020 10:26pm
- Bykmad
  
  Where are the “Real Journalists” who should be asking her about what she has achieved in her first term as Prime Minister. Lets do this, The year of delivery and now Lets keep moving. All catchy little sayings that can be summed up with the reply, They did nothing, They delivered nothing they have Moved nothing. Where are the new homes for the homeless and why are there now close to 18000 people on the waiting list for state funded houses when at the start of her term there were around 5500 on that list. They have promised to spend money on Mental Health, Light Rail, Kiwibuild, Child Poverty, Hospitals, etc, what have they actually done. Have any of the “Shovel ready projects” announced in January been started, in fact HAS ANYTHING BEEN STARTED under this Government. No, that is a little harsh, they have started us on the road to communism and bankruptcy.
  
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  August 10, 2020 1:13pm
oldpark

At the start of 2020 it was realized by Ardern and her gang of no hopers masquerading as Politicians in charge of NZ that the renegade ratbag Peters who installed them after the 2017 Election was a failure.
They looked around and chose a potential hug and sob- fest for Chch March 2020 the anniversary of the Australian gunmans’ shooting.
Suddenly a better deal to control NZs appeared in the form of the Coronavirus . They could not believe their luck .
It started with the Lockdown and control of NZs and their way of life and future is strictly in the hands and whims of the Communist Ardern Regime . Now that lot have got a sniff of power they are not letting it go anytime soon .
With “Power Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”
We all have been controlled by Spin! Spin! Spin! and Daily Propaganda wheeled out any and every which way . Even though it is over 100 days since any sign of the Virus has appeared in NZ Population. The only think that has appeared is Commie Ardern and her propagandists stepping up the fear component leading up to the General Election. Check out the con job going on at the present time . Leading the charge and aiding and abetting are our sicko Sycophantic Mainstream Media.
Interesting to note that anyone in charge of the future and well being of NZs when the Coronavirus Alert went out could have done just as well as Commie Ardern without the Spin and Propaganda and Virtue Signalling carried daily by Ardern and her bunch of no hopers who have gotten intoxicated on the control of the well being and lifestyle of all NZs .Yes Power is the ultimate “Aphrodisiac” .
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August 10, 2020 8:31am
JibberJabber

“Those who crusade not for God in themselves but against the devil in others, never succeed in leaving the world better, but leave it as it was or sometimes even perceptibly worse than it was before the crusade began.”

— Aldous Huxley,
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August 10, 2020 8:37am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Mankind, said the devil, are good to their brothers,
  They don’t want to fix their own faults, but each other’s.”
  
  Piet Hein
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:59pm
artemisia

Colour me very surprised. The Prime Minister has said no decision on Ihumatao until after the election.

What was that about all hui, no do-ey?

I rest my case.
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August 10, 2020 8:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No decision on Ihumatao ANNOUNCED before the election, more likely. Ardern knows what a political hot potato this is, but that doesn’t mean that a backroom deal hasn’t already been done.
  
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  August 10, 2020 8:47am
  - sooty
    
    It is strange that all sides are so quiet!
    You would think Fletchers would be bleeding money, so the labour must be paying them enough to cover all of their costs each month!
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:29am
    - artemisia
      
      It’s only OPM so why worry?
      
      If there is a National led government, quite likely the whole thing will be cancelled and even trespassers arrested. Ok maybe not arrested just escorted quietly off someone else’s land.
      
      Then IMO Fletchers will sell the land and put their hand out for compensation for costs. Rather a lot of. Why on earth would they put more time and money into a running sore created by a different government?
      
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      August 10, 2020 3:41pm
- RJ
  
  She needs to move Winston out so she can do what she wants.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:26am
- Bobba Fret
  
  That’s because there is bound to be a huge cost to the tax payer.
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:16pm
Maggie Pie

A twitter bestie asks..

“Why do groups like ANTIFA attract so many Trans people?”

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1292415077027471361
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August 10, 2020 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of antifa/blm marxists , why does the Media Pardy show so much interest in a photo of a fat naked German chasing a pig and no interest in showing the thug pouring paint over an elderly lady protecting a police building.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, just love this push back against Antifa:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxUqgf8V1Ic
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:35am
  - Fletch
    
    The cops also arrested some of them for attacking a guy in a wheelchair.
    
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/antifa-protesters-learn-lesson-they-will-never-forget-after-allegedly-attacking-veteran-in-wheelchair
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:11am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Priceless. When his biggest worry is your horse pooing in the street.
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:51am
- Ruawai
  
  Surely legally for police records a persons gender should be as they are born not what they believe themselves to be.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I liked this reply best, from further down the thread:
  
  “I’m seeing a pattern here. These people are unhappy themselves, and therefore must make everything and everyone else around them suffer for their low self worth. #WANNABE”
  
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  August 10, 2020 1:12pm
Simon

Bottle-O baron accused of exploitation obtained 107 visas for migrant workers

When he first arrived in New Zealand, he didn’t understand the labour laws – so he accepted it when Arora told him the market rate was $6 an hour, but he would pay him $7

Mass low wage immigration what a train wreck for NZ.
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August 10, 2020 8:46am
- kowtow
  
  No you’re wrong , it’s what the Media Pardy call the diversity dividend and they tell us we’re all enriched by it , and if you don’t embrace that you are a far right white supremacist………
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:08am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Mostly, people don’t care. They see that things cost less than they did and vote with their wallets.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:18am
- Ruawai
  
  Can’t work out how he managed to get any immigration visa’s. Working in retail is not a specialist skill we are short of in NZ. Also he seems to only employ Indian men so maybe the ministry should look at employment discrimination, surely some Chinese and European females must have applied for jobs.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:54am
Benedict Yu

I had figured that the surge of billions spent on cycleways night be supported by data showing a surge in cycling use for commuting to work. This is the primary justification used by advocates for more cycleways, at the expense of roads. Come in JAG who recently claimed “roads are not wanted”.

Yet the 2018 census reported that only 2 percent of journeys to work were by bicycle.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/car-streets-ahead-for-travel-to-work-and-education

So what is the trend? In 2013 that number was 2.9 percent. The tiny numbers make trend analysis difficult, but still, that is going backwards.

You would hope that the share might rise by the 2023 census. Maybe to 4 percent. Surely you can’t spend about 5 billion dollars on cycleways over 10 years without something to show for it?
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August 10, 2020 8:47am
- RoboRob
  
  I cylce to work every day. I am totally opposed to cycleways however. Some of the ones we have are ok but the new stuff going it is crazy. In Chch the council bought and demolished houses to pur cycle ways in the cut straight through local roads (Summerfield / barrington street). Other cycle ways have exposed agregate concreat barriers around the, blocking parking and rubbish access and costing mega bucks.
  
  As you rightly point out, people don’t want to cycle. We need to stop these pet projects.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:09am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    its got nothing to do with what the public want and everything to do with what higher powers want the public to do.
    you dont want to cycle but JAG wants you to, there will be some retarded law introdoced in the near future to force more to ditch their cars.
    
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    August 10, 2020 9:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I recall applying for a particular position a while back.
    One of the questions they asked was “Has there ever been any record of mental illness in your family?”
    I told them my brother gets up every morning at 5am to go cycling with his friends.
    
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    August 10, 2020 9:34am
    - The Boss
      
      Did you get the job?
      
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      August 10, 2020 9:37am
- Ruawai
  
  Very low ROI.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:55am
I remember when

So its not a matter of if but when, a second wave of covid-19 reaches New Zealand.
So the obvious priority is the protection of the most vulnerable so that the impact is virtually zero.
No doubt the Government is continuing to work to produce lists of pensioners, etc., so that they can be isolated.
These lists will be those who will need food, medicines, doctors visits and mental stimulation.
Has anybody contacted you if you fall into this part of the population? Have you been asked to update your information so that a ‘second wave’ will be more easily contained?
NO.
We will just do what we did last time! Pick up the threads and away we go!
Don’t forget the Masks.
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August 10, 2020 8:49am
- fernglas
  
  Have you been asked if you want to be isolated is a more pertinent question. Do you think that will happen?
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:07am
- G152
  
  The recent upsurge in covid ads on TV are not an accident.
  Some-one is preparing the sheep for shearing
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:46am
Prince

A bit rich given they saw us out of the mess Cullen left us in, got us back to surplus, which Ardern had squandered in two years.
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August 10, 2020 8:53am
- RoboRob
  
  Ardern on TV talking about how Labour had reduced debt (to under 20% of GDP) pre covid. That might be true but is incredible misleading. If we had kept national I blieve the forcast was for the actual $ debt to decrease (Labour increased borrowing).
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:12am
  - gorse
    
    Misleading by saying they had debt down to under 20%. What she didn’t say was that we were heading into a recession pre Covid, and Covid saved them. She now has something other than Labour’s mismanagement to blame.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:13pm
Prince

Serious suggestion.
Can we offer Ben Stokes immediate entry to NZ, no quarantine, if he stays on for a few years through to the next world cup.
If not, can we lock him up and hold him until after the next world cup.
If neither, can we make a stand, declare him an enemy of NZ given last year, and expel him immediately.
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August 10, 2020 8:57am
Naths

Power prices to rise under the next (and future) Labour government(s) – the PM again repeats this morning on radio that Labour is committed to 100% renewable energy for NZ’s energy supply. 🙁
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August 10, 2020 9:00am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Yep and the cries of cheaper power for beneficiaries have begun
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:16am
- alex Masterley
  
  As well as brown outs and black outs when supply cannot meet demand.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:00am
- Surely Knott
  
  Good to see Labour campaigning Against their own coalition partner for Green votes though. 4.9percent ?
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:10am
- Flossie
  
  How are we going to charge our EVs up? How are we going to PAY for the power to charge our EVs?
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:24am
Kiwi_in_Paris

This totally explains why thousands of illegal refugees are being allowed to enter the UK, and are being put up in 4 star hotels, all courtesy of Boris Johnson and his cronies. Brexit? Take back the borders? Just a ruse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPc4gC72rlI
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August 10, 2020 9:00am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Nigel Farage is all over it but is only 1 man trying to take on the rest of the uk govt, way to create “demand” for a security net for vulnerable only way to stop it is to make it far less attractive.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:36am
Fisiani2

Do the voters want the superficial or the profound? Do they want puff pieces and promises over hard work and competence?
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August 10, 2020 9:05am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Do you need to ask the question?
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:17am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Based on recent polls superficial, puff pieces and false promises will suffice.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:36am
Maggie Pie

The least sign of danger, and my pussy’s hair stands on end.
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August 10, 2020 9:06am
- kowtow
  
  Huruhuru
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:10am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Sphynx solves that problem.
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:17am
- TWEEDSE
  
  Ah, Mrs Axelby’s friend.
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:15pm
I remember when

When are people going to realise that all Muslims are, in fact, missionaries.
Their duty is to spread their religion throughout the world. They do this with a zeal that our traditional churches have long lost.
Next time you are in a crowd, look around and see if how many religions you can identify.
How many of those you identified were Anglican, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc?
Nothing wrong with being Muslim but they are not the “special” religion. All congregations like to think they are special.
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August 10, 2020 9:13am
- Albert_Ross
  
  What examples of Muslims zealously spreading their religion have you personally encountered?
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:15am
- Flossie
  
  Those religious you are mentioning – Anglican, Catholic etc, would go under the general banner of Christian, just as there are sub sets of Muslim.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:01am
- SGA
  
  When are people going to realise that all Muslims are, in fact, missionaries.
  
  Perhaps – I can’t say that I have ever had any Muslim’s turn up on my doorstep to spread the Word (or any pamphlets in my letter box).
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:42am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    No, nor me, though I have had Jehovah’s Witnesses more than once.
    
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    August 10, 2020 2:08pm
Lance

Cindy on the AM show
“It is this govt that got debt to GDP down to 20%”

…………………………. the woman has no shame
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August 10, 2020 9:17am
- Maxx
  
  And the correct follow up questions to this should be
  a) what was it when you entered Government?
  b) what was the trajectory when Labour last left Government?
  c) what was Treasury forecasting debt to before the pandemic gave you an open cheque book?
  
  3 years ago she talked about climate change being this generations nuclear moment – debt will be the next generation(s) nuclear moment.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:43am
  - Bullion
    
    Debt was higher when Lab came in up until covid (not sure where its at now).
    It was trending downwards (had gone up under National at first but then downwards)
    Labour had a debt target which they reached quicker, economists were saying having stringent debt targets were poor for the economy.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/115314365/national-and-labour-on-the-same-page-on-debt
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:42am
    - Dougal10
      
      Didn’t they just hide the debt in department’s
      
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      August 10, 2020 2:15pm
Classic Liberal

Newstalk zb: interview w Judith Collins. So far Good points:

Her voice is solid and medium/low.
Points out how important previous work and business experience is to mp talent.

Not so great:

Constantly ‘defensive’ tone. Even if the question is an attack, she needs to turn the answers into a more positive and solidly reliable tone.

She seems to be so used to the defensive tone that even answers to soft questions sound like that. This was not so when she first became leader. I think it’s becoming a bad habit.
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August 10, 2020 9:18am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Judith’s answers cont.:
  
  Great: has dropped the defensive tone.
  
  Re debt levels after covid response:
  Good: can’t tax your way out of debt. Need jobs.
  
  Not so great: Says govt had to do subsidy as provided. Nothing about level 4 being too extreme and that safe businesses should have continued working. (Maybe she’s just playing it safe on this because st Jacinda cannot be criticised on this.)
  
  Caller bringing up this point: now she agrees w caller who said Nat said close borders in Feb which could have kept more businesses working.
  
  But ‘don’t want to look churlish’ and ‘need to look fwd’. She know it’s a tricky tightrope act.
  
  Re pharmac
  Good: commits to National providing home testing for gyno cancers.
  
  Re policies
  Good: points out that labour is stealing national’s policies.
  
  Infrastructure
  Good: encourage car insurance displayed on car. First step to compulsory insurance.
  
  Collective bargaining:
  Good: clearly against. Points out it would destroy many businesses.
  
  Dhb consolidation
  Good: dr Reti’s advice re combine some services, not change whole structure.
  Totally against healthcare based on race.
  
  Tax
  Good: Can’t tax our way out of recession.
  Labour needs to be honest about what taxes they want. (asset? Inheritance? Wealth?)
  
  National: No new taxes
  Will adjust thresholds to inflation.
  New equipment business tax opportunities
  
  Tenancy laws
  Good: will get rid of new tenancy laws.
  Pointed out the terror on neighbours these near laws can cause.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:01am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    National’s biggest risk is that the people don’t think they will handle Covid well and we’ll get it back. It’s a bad idea to attack on those things even though she’d be right to.
    
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    August 10, 2020 1:34pm
  - alphabeatrium
    
    Why would compulsory car insurance be a good thing?
    
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    August 10, 2020 1:36pm
Critical Thinker

Jacinda Ardern has been singularly obsessed with eliminating the virus from the NZ. This video discusses the consequences of her actions and compares them to what Sweden did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4DQ12216l8
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August 10, 2020 9:24am
Flossie

Why does the media persist with the idea that Jacinda ( should be “Labour” but we are so entrenched with thinking that the leader is the be-all) would do any deal over a constituency seat in Northland to assist NZ First? There is absolutely nothing to gain for Labour to have them back in parliament, and nicer not to have them there (for everybody!) I am pretty sure that if Shane Jones were to be given that opportunity he still wouldn’t make it.
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August 10, 2020 9:28am
- septic skeptic
  
  Not to mention that “electorate vote Jones and partyvote Labour” would be asking too much of the average Labour voter.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:13am
lifesgood

Interesting bit of info on Sky News Outsiders yesterday. Apparently the devastating failures in containing corona virus in Victoria are down to the government giving the security contract to a company on the grounds of diversity. i.e. the company used employed (untrained) people from diverse backgrounds. So that the govt could feel good about itself and demonstrate their wokeness the good people of Victoria have been forced into imprisonment, hundreds have died and thousands have been ill. I wonder if the govt still feels proud of itself.
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August 10, 2020 9:31am
Flossie

I’ve been thinking over the marijuana debate I saw on TV between Chloe whats her name and Nick Smith. Her argument was basically it’s already here so let’s legalise it. Makes as much sense to me as everybody’s doing 110 on the motorway so might as well make that legal too.
And the numbers of people who seem wedded to the idea that this is going to help all those needing it medicinally…. What can you say!
Also cannot get my head around how we aim to be “smoke free” by 2025 when we look to be on track for the go ahead on weed.
(Yes I know – doesn’t necessarily have to be smoked)
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August 10, 2020 9:40am
- lifesgood
  
  Thieving, burglary rape and murder are already here. Should we legalise those too?
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    That Chloe shiela got the short end of the stick when brains were handed out. She is also somewhat left of Marama Davidson when it comes to political allegiances if that is at all possible.
    She will be out of a job when she runs out of her looks. However, she will probably be remembered for legalising drugs in NZ.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:28pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    yes, we must stop those poor offenders recieving criminal convictions //
    
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    August 10, 2020 1:03pm
- Bullion
  
  That’s the wrong analogy. It would be like everyone has cars, we should regulate it so that its safe – hence WOF, speed limits etc.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:46am
  - Flossie
    
    Okay – let’s then go with lifesgood’s analogy… thieving, burglary, rape, murder.
    I also know people say alcohol is just as bad if not worse but why add yet another harmful substance to the legal mix.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:28pm
    - Bullion
      
      Firstly, you’re not adding something if it is already there.
      
      And those other crimes on their own are very destructive to a victim – they don’t exist without negatively impacting someone else. That is not the same as cannabis.
      
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      August 10, 2020 2:22pm
YesMinister

Ah yes, NZF and their animal abuse track, where juvenile horses (two year olds – horses aren’t fully grown until six) are thrashed around until they develop career ending injuries to their horrifically inbred bodies, at which point they’re killed, or much, much less often, rehomed by well meaning people where their back, leg, and hip injuries, combined with their poor temperaments make them dangerous half the time anyway.

Animal racing is disgusting and has no place in 2020. Find another way to entertain yourselves, and something else to inflict your crippling gambling addition on.
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August 10, 2020 9:49am
- Bullion
  
  Totally agree. Also rodeo should be gone.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:48am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    and pets, poor animals that are naturally free roaming and eating a natural foraged diet are forced and caged to deny their freedom and natural behavior.
    
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    August 10, 2020 1:05pm
rangitoto

I was listening to Paula Bennett on Magic Talk earlier this morning. A guy rang in to talk about housing costs. He claimed that some builders are importing NZ timber from Australia because it’s cheaper. Must be a massive rort going on with the local suppliers.
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August 10, 2020 9:54am
- fernglas
  
  What will then happen is that Fletchers will toddle off to the Commerce Commission and argue that the timber is not up to New Zealand standards, or is being dumped, or some such bullshit, and having won, will put up their prices to cover the costs of the litigation.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:32am
- MCos
  
  My dining room table is made in Asia using NZ timber.
  It costs a lot less that a table made here.
  Having said that a locally made equivalent may be better quality.
  Same with imported building materials for all I know. You can buy a dirt cheap imported mixer for your shower from Bunnings or an expensive one. If the cheap one doesn’t last long (or the expensive one) it’s a lot of money to take of the lining to get replace the bloody thing.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:03am
  - rangitoto
    
    We are talking about basic treated and sawn product here. Labour costs should be a small component.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:10pm
    - Flossie
      
      Anybody who has had anything made in NZ knows labour is a greater cost than materials
      
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      August 10, 2020 7:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s surprising, MCos. Most New Zealand timber exported is Pinus radiata. This is relatively poor quality wood, and often goes into products such as packaging for goods being exported from Asia and for low-grade construction needs.
    
    I hadn’t heard it was coming back to NZ as furniture.
    
    New Zealand tried for years to get radiata rated for building use in Japan. I don’t know if we succeeded.
    
    I have heard local timber processors complaining that radiata supplies were difficult and dear because of the export trade. Perhaps that’s changed.
    
    However, quality tropical wood from Asia has been available for New Zealanders in furniture and for decking. This has been often sold at low prices. This is because forestry companies have been clearing great tropical hardwood forests in Borneo, Burma, Thailand.
    
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    August 10, 2020 4:54pm
I remember when

@ Tony Stuart.
The Riccarton and Awapuni racetracks can both be used in wet weather. Danger occurs when weather causes the tracks to have a slippery top surface on a hard surface underneath. These problems are usually caused by track staff preparing for one type of track and being caught out by a late weather event.
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August 10, 2020 9:59am
Hacked-Off

I do not know if any of you listened to Ardern’s interview with Mike Hoskings this morning. She was asked if she had taken the Covid Test, on the basis of the Government slogan ‘Say Yes to the Test’. And unsurprisingly she said she had not taken a test. Her excuse was that she did not need to because we are at Level 1. What a f##king hypocrite, and what a waste of tax payer money on this campaign. Everyone will quote the PM and not take the invasive test. National should replay that part of the interview to the Nation to expose Ardern for what she really it.
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August 10, 2020 10:06am
- RJ
  
  Why should she take the test, if she has no symptoms it would be a waste of time and money. Which is why your GP knows if you need to be tested or not. I know people like Trump and Biden are tested a few times a day, but we don’t have the sort of issue here they do.
  
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  August 10, 2020 10:33am
  - fernglas
    
    For a start, it might be setting an example to those people who have been asked to take tests and refused. For another, about 80% of infections are asymptomatic, so the absence of symptoms does not necessarily mean the absence of the virus. For a third, she would be putting her money where her mouth is. That is true leadership; not spouting platitudes and doing photo ops, but actually getting down and experiencing what she is asking others to do.
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:14am
    - RJ
      
      No, what we should be doing is what the doctors suggest, if a doctor thinks their patient should be tested then test, let’s not test people because someone on the opposite side of politics what’s to use it as a political point scoring. Our labs are busy enough and underpaid enough as it is than to waste time with political pointt scoring
      
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      August 10, 2020 1:03pm
  - mandk
    
    Lots of people are asymptomatic carriers.
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:44am
  - The Housekeeper
    
    Why wouldn’t she take the test? In public? With the results public? When she is advocating for everyone else to do it? What better example?
    
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    August 10, 2020 2:08pm
- lifesgood
  
  His name is Hosking…no s.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who is Mike Hoskings?
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:25am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Ardern’s campaign team will not permit her to take the test in case it is positive. Unlikely but possible. Quarantine of the #1 asset for a chunk of the election campaign is a nightmare, let alone contact tracing.
  
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  August 10, 2020 6:43pm
I remember when

Work for the masses:
The Green policy manual on Transport has this masterpiece.
“Communities should be able to request that roads get redesigned for safety reasons.”
How many communities would not have a flood of those to consider?
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August 10, 2020 10:13am
- Albert_Ross
  
  There is nothing stopping anybody from “requesting” anything right now, so if this really is the Greens’ policy in full then it amounts to absolutely nothing.
  
  Presumably though their intention is to put in place some mechanism to make it more likely that such requests are acceded to? We’d need a lot more detail about that to reach a conclusion.
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:08pm
I remember when

The world appears to be sliding into its worst recession in decades.
Yet stock markets are hitting new highs.
One reason suggested is that the US market is being kept artificially high in an attempt to keep the Republicans in power.
Near zero interest rates and new share technology are making investing easier than ever.
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August 10, 2020 10:38am
- theoldbloke
  
  Another conspiracy theory-sigh.
  The US stock market is high because there is no other place to put money for smaller investors. Zero interest rates, slack real estate market(which is a long term investment anyway)
  So buying shares in the IT stocks is seen as an attractive alternative.
  Then
  Take away the 4 major IT stocks, apple, google, Amazon, Facebook and the market doesnt look so flash.
  Ok. I will go back to reading the real financial news
  
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  August 10, 2020 2:09pm
Saks

Another puff piece from Stuff yesterday about how Cindy went to the weekend markets and bought a piece of pumpkin and then someone tried to give her free carrots…

Is there anywhere you can get actual news anymore?

As vomit inducing as it was, I did find it interesting due to jethros lack of attendance?
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August 10, 2020 10:43am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Maybe he was babysitting?
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:26am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Which baby? 😉
    
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    August 10, 2020 11:36am
    - Saks
      
      Usually a lock for this kind of publicity.
      
      Maybe the double perambulator is a little hard to manoeuvre around the markets…
      
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      August 10, 2020 12:03pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      DB: You like to live dangerously…
      
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      August 10, 2020 12:58pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Got a call from my daughter in Melbourne yesterday, there is a series of TV commercials for Hello Fresh featuring celeb endorsements.
  She was aghast that Jethro (called “first Dad”) and
  Neve appeared on one of them extolling the virtues of HF.
  Wasn’t sure if exploiting the relationship with the PM, and also expoiting the kid, was legal in NZ but apparently it’s okay in Oz. Bring one a bucket!
  
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  August 10, 2020 1:47pm
  - RJ
    
    Old advert, was pulled a few months back for something stupid, I think one of the Masterchef people on it were in a fridge or something
    
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    August 10, 2020 2:52pm
RJ

We keep hearing people saying it will only be the elderly, but so many stories coming now about what this virus has done to younger people.

A video of a former Waitaki Boys’ High School pupil talking about his experience of contracting Covid-19 gives a new depth of meaning to “going viral”.

Sydney doctor Warren Lee, whose family were North Otago market gardeners but no longer live here, has shocked the world with his description of how Covid-19 crept up on him and caused lasting damage.

NZ Herald
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August 10, 2020 10:45am
- fernglas
  
  Why is it that we don’t hear anecdotes about people who had it and got over it without it being terrible? There have been 5 to 50 million cases. This is one. They are not all like that. The papers are just being sensationalist. And we swallow it.
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:17am
  - kowtow
    
    It is a virus so deadly you have to get a test to see if you’ve had it……..
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:22pm
  - RJ
    
    Yet we are seeing a lot are like this and being left with long term issues.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:57pm
    - fernglas
      
      1} We haven’t “seen a lot” We’ve seen odd anecdotes in the press.
      2) Long term issues are common with every virus. Why is this one so drastically different that we have to collapse society?
      
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      August 10, 2020 4:30pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  The plural of “anecdote” is not “data” and it most certainly is not “evidence”.
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:09pm
  - RJ
    
    Yes let’s not believe a doctor in what he is saying huh
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:58pm
- cmm
  
  Just about anything can cause lasting damage.
  
  How about a bad tooth? Dodge the dentist for too long and it causes heart stress, can cause early heart attacks and premature death.
  
  If you get pneumonia there’s a reasonable chance your lung function is damaged permanently.
  
  There’s very little that is different about CV19 except the hype and alarm.
  
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  August 10, 2020 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

OOOOh….. i see Max has popped up on tinder 😛

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfAdtOqU8AA6F7L?format=jpg&name=small
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August 10, 2020 10:51am
- sooty
  
  You could invite him around to clean the pool!
  
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  August 10, 2020 11:42am
wimpston peeeders

Jacindamania is back apparently. in recent history there was a man on the other side of the world that had similar cult/fandom following with a very similar view on socialism and jacinda is making the same promises as he done.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Chávez

how it ends up…
https://youtu.be/2n7mK3dYOLw

it goes to show how quick a road to ruin can be built and traveled on when its paved with good intentions.
the main difference was Chavez had a huge financial and resource reserve to pull from whereas jacinda is just running a printing press from the get go so the wheels can fall off even faster.
as it stands if nz were a business/company we would be declared trading whilst insolvant, if labour are re elected then its a reasonable assumption that austerity and bankruptcy awaits our short-med future.
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August 10, 2020 11:09am
- Fletch
  
  Last night on Country Calendar they had a story about a couple who looked after/raised kiwis on the their property. They showed two birds which they had named Jacinda and Ashley… ?
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:12pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, we watched that as well. My partner thought they may have had a few screws loose.
    
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    August 10, 2020 12:23pm
    - Ruahine
      
      Country Calender is not the program it used to be. Sad really.
      
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      August 10, 2020 3:39pm
      - marcw
        
        According to NZ On Air figures, it still outranks the next most popular weekly TV program by about 500,000 viewers. Even repeats of CC outnumber the next most popular program most weeks.
        
        https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/research/audience-ratings-tv/
        
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        August 10, 2020 3:53pm
      - kowloon
        
        No ! sadly. It was once a very good programme which gave urban folk, in particular the children who had no farming Uncles/Aunts to visit, a reasonable idea of RURAL LIFE.
        Like most NZ produced programmes for TV, it has become politicised as a propaganda vehicle.
        
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        August 10, 2020 4:33pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Fletch, Eeeeew!
    
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    August 10, 2020 1:48pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    The similarity is astounding
    Kiwis:
    Root around in the dirt looking for worms
    Jacinda and Ashley: Root around in the dirt, looking for an idea.
    Kiwis have a very small brain.
    Well………………
    
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    August 10, 2020 3:59pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Socialism: starts with a utopian vision of egalitarian future and ends with people eating their pets.
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:16pm
kwkiwigirl

Just letting people know I had been on the reduced rate for NZH digital for $10 per month, special 3 month offer, and it expired and they hiked the rate to $20 a month.

I know it’s mainly a promotional instrument for Labour and Ardern, but occasionally there is the odd, non political article you want to look at, eg with their excellent oneroof housing value tool or some other bit of business or sports news I want to read.

Anyway if you ring up NZH and say you are going to cancel, they extend the $10 per month digital rate for another 3 months which is semi okish, apart from the aggravation of the constant, selectively flattering photos and articles of Ardern, and left leaning, slanted articeles we are going to continually see on NZH site leading up to the election. I guess they also want to say to advertisers and prospective buyers of the site that they have x number of subscribers, even if those subscribers are paying next to nothing for the subscription.

That alone is probably enough of an irritation for most of us to just not even go there. But it’s a bit of a village in NZ to get NZ content these days, hence my decision to frequent the site, albeit increasingly less and less.
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August 10, 2020 11:31am
- calendar girl
  
  Weed yourself off the NZH, and take back your life. There are plenty of other news sources.
  
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  August 10, 2020 5:22pm
Flossie

I was very surprised that TVNZ showed their 20/20 piece last night about the dreadful poverty in Northland. Did not paint a great picture for Dear Leader. Never mind the previous nine years – what have Labour and their cohorts done in the last three?
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August 10, 2020 11:53am
- RJ
  
  Poverty is bad nation wide, there are these signs going up that say keep moving on them, I think they are to do with the lines at the food banks
  
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  August 10, 2020 12:55pm
- fernglas
  
  Nobody has done much up that way in the last 60 years, regardless of which government it was. National takes the North for granted, and Labour has given it up as a lost cause. Broken promises, inattention, and a widespread political feeling that New Zealand stops at the end of the Northern motorway.
  
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  August 10, 2020 1:35pm
- Inandout
  
  Flossie, the North was a menacing place even 8 years back when we went to the Cape. At that time motels in the upper price bracket were normally safe, but I feel sorry for those travellers who pick a WINZ one to book into.
  
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  August 10, 2020 2:00pm
Maggie Pie

Just went out to bring the bin up.

Shit it’s cold old there 🙁
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August 10, 2020 1:52pm
surfing

I see the chinese government just arrested Jimmy Lai.

The chinese authorities are awful. Jimmy is a wealthy guy and could have moved country. He knew the risks and remained due to his strong ethics and principles.

I listed to a podcast on him sometime ago.

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/743480237

I’m pleased Huawei has been dumped by our government. I’m sure the chinese would use huawei to spread their evil influence within New Zealand.
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August 10, 2020 1:54pm
- kowtow
  
  To be precise he’s been arrested by the HK police .
  
  https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1542777-20200810.htm
  
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  August 10, 2020 4:15pm
  - surfing
    
    But, this is on Chinese orders.
    
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    August 11, 2020 12:59am
I remember when

Why aren’t the Sallies and other charities “screaming out about the growing problem areas”?
Two reasons, and they both have the same consequences.
The first, is that charities exist because of problems so they largely complain when they want to access more funding. They think that Labour are more likely to oblige in this way.
The second, is the most large charities now depend, to varying degrees, on contracts they have with the Government to do charitable activities on their behalf.
As Labour are considered more likely to support the work charities are involved in, they naturally complain more when National is in power.
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August 10, 2020 2:01pm
- Ruahine
  
  The Salvation Army as an organisation in New Zealand is very Political which is why I do not donate to them anymore.
  
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  August 10, 2020 3:36pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    snap…me neither…for the same reason.
    I don’t care who they are criticizing this week, they should stay out of politics.
    
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    August 10, 2020 3:52pm
  - kowloon
    
    I also stopped supporting the Salvation Army, when in the leadup to 2017 election they got into bed with TV1 and a dishonestly generated ‘people sleeping in cars/homeless, poverty scam’ series of pre election advertising
    
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    August 10, 2020 4:28pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      sent out 300 people to find the 1000’s in cars…found a couple of 100
      
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      August 10, 2020 6:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They were very active against the Homosexual Law Reform Bill.
    https://www.salvationarmy.org.nz/sites/default/files/uploads/tsaand1986homosexualreformbillnz-updated2017.pdf
    
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    August 10, 2020 7:33pm
I remember when

Should Jacinda have taken a Covid-19 test?
Well so far in excess of 496,606 tests have been taken and they keep on setting up pop-up testing stations.
I presume a reasonable number of the tests would have involved re-tests, so that is not the number of people tested.
However, if Jacinda doesn’t need to take a test why would anyone else?
How many people have close contact with as many people as Jacinda in a day?
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August 10, 2020 2:22pm
- RJ
  
  Each test costs about $80, some news sources have it at $150. If we want to test the whole population because that is what it is when you want to test people who have no symptoms, then you’ve got to find a shit load of money. And what tests will be stopped while this is going on, because under lockdown they limited what the doctors could test for so they’d have to do that again with over 5 million tests to do.
  
  How about we trust in our GPs who know which patients need to be tested and which don’t.
  
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  August 10, 2020 4:29pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    The tests are charged out at the figures you quote. That is not at all the same as the cost of the materials, the test, the analysis, and the documentation. If the Govt wanted widespread cheap and still accurate community testing, it would have the tests done at cost. No GP need be involved in testing the well. The Govt prohibits the import of cheaper tests then says we cannot afford to test everybody who wants to be tested. Bastard-coated bastards with a bastard filling and bastard sprinkles on top…
    
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    August 10, 2020 5:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do as I say, not as I do. I am now ‘supreme leader’ after the next lockdown
  
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  August 10, 2020 6:40pm
RJ

No Helen, everyone has a right to voice their views on this referendum, even old stale politicians that the country voted out of office

Helen Clark hits out at ‘shock jock’ Mike Hosking over cannabis views
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August 10, 2020 3:35pm
RJ

Hmmmm, if I go up to another town can I then claim I am a foreigner since I’m not from that area

More than $40,000 worth of food vouchers are being handed out daily by the Red Cross to foreigners stranded because of Covid-19.
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August 10, 2020 3:38pm
RW Capitalist

Just received a notification from a govt. entity.
With a strict methodology and change of EMail address,as to how they pay an invoice and what HAS to be on the invoice before they will pay.
1. Never had this before.
2. Under law, invoices can take any format provided they have the minimum info. on them.
Is this the govt. trying to delay or slow payments?
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August 10, 2020 3:50pm
- RJ
  
  Why would the government do that, they have plenty of money, it’s not like the country is bankrupt………. Cindy and James found a money tree
  
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  August 10, 2020 4:09pm
Fletch

Mark Levin interview Attorney General Barr for an hour (part 1). Starts off talking about the sham that was the House Judiciary Committee hearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_3wXqf-ns
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August 10, 2020 4:23pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Welcome to the vote yourself rich election.
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August 10, 2020 4:34pm
RJ

Political lobby group wins the right to be a charity.

Greenpeace wins High Court appeal to be recognised as charity
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August 10, 2020 5:14pm
RJ

Government gives a few hours notice, wow. I wonder what these certain groups of people are that don’t have to pay

Charges for returnees will come into force from 12.01am tomorrow, after they passed their last Cabinet milestone today, Housing Minister Megan Woods said.

“Anyone who needs to come home but cannot afford the charges will still be able to come home. Exemptions are available for certain groups of people and waivers from charges are possible on a case-by-case basis for undue financial hardship and in special circumstances (such as compassionate grounds).

One News
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August 10, 2020 5:40pm
- sooty
  
  So special people will not have to pay!
  Who are the special people?
  
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  August 10, 2020 7:04pm
fernglas

Ashley Bloomfield caught out telling porkies about flu vaccine availability. What others has he told us, I wonder?
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August 10, 2020 6:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I s’pose we will never find out…
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/1-news-investigation-emails-reveal-ministrys-flu-vaccine-shortage-worries-despite-opposite-message-public
  
  You can now see why Ardern and Hipkins were desperate to close down Simon Bridges’ Epidemic Response Committee….
  
  Too many folks telling the public about debacle after debacle!
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/health-sector-critical-govts-covid-response
  
  Pity the media took so bloody long to expose the truth.
  
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  August 10, 2020 6:52pm
- Happychappy
  
  And to make out Jacinda didn’t know.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2020/08/10/flu-vaccine.html
  How can those that purposely tried to hide the facts and lie to the public like happened not be held responsible for this, first it was Menegicocal in Northland then the Measle out break then COVID-19 then when the elderly wanted the vaccine and couldn’t get they blamed the Practitioners when all along they didn’t order enough vaccines. How can you expect to get away with not ordering enough vaccines at three different occasions and put peoples lives at risk and get away with the lies told to try and cover it up then expect the Country to have faith in the decision you make.
  
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  August 10, 2020 6:57pm
- Nookin
  
  Who can remember Ardern at her truculent worst with this episode. Kate Baddock, on behalf of the GPs, was almost pleading for the vaccine. She was summarily put in her place by the PM who then stalked off.
  Not much hope of an apology, I fear.
  
  This was not a misunderstanding. Nor was it spin. It was an outright lie known to anyone over 65 who was waiting for a shot but was told that the vaccine was not available.
  
  Did Ardern know? Maybe the media will find out, though I doubt it. TvOne showed clips of Bloomfield and Robertson giving unqualified assurances. No sign of the PM, however. My recollection is that she displayed an intolerance to any questions of this nature.
  
  It does not matter if she knew it was bullshit or not. A senior doctor, chair of the medical association, expressing the concern of her members, was soundly put in her place by someone who had the authority to demand answers but who dismissed the suggestion altogether.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-disagrees-with-frontline-health-workers-saying-there-s-an-issue-with-flu-vaccine-supplies.html
  
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  August 10, 2020 9:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another ‘dunno if this works’ thing. No humour? go to bed children.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=2431200870524399
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