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Dead Earnest

When does the governments powers under the Covid-19 Public Health Response Act expire?
Comment on this blog recently suggested it was 15th of August.
If so, is the current lock down in Auckland able to be legally enforced?
Or have I got this wrong?
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August 15, 2020 8:00am
- fernglas
  
  Unless something has been done since the act received assent, it has a 90 day sunset provision, which expires today.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:10am
- thirteenstars
  
  The COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020 received the Assent on May 13.
  
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0012/30.0/LMS344134.html
  
  90 Days from that date is August 11. The Repeal section of the act is here:
  
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2020/0012/30.0/LMS344600.html
  
  And it is confusing to me. 90 days? Sure, that’s mentioned. If it is automatically repealed after 90 days what’s the 2 years clause about? Has the House made such a resolution to extend, or has the House changed the “relevant period” as it has the power to do?”
  
  The country is back in partial lockdown. Is it likely no such extension has been made? If so, the lockdown can’t be enforced.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:50am
  - fernglas
    
    Basically the provisions mean it can be extended beyond 90 days by Parliament, but in any event, it cannot be extended beyond 2 years. But it was extended on 5 August under urgency
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:08am
    - thirteenstars
      
      You mean it was extended for a further 90 days?
      
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      August 15, 2020 11:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The House never met.
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:58am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Order in Council?
      
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      August 15, 2020 12:28pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Be like Victoria when all else fails go to state of disaster.
  If Ardern and Bloomfield pull this off without any scrutiny, and she gets another term:
  Years of lockdowns to finish an already rapidly deteriorating wounded economy.
  Could have sworn she had borrowed Dandemics notes yesterday
  “We may never know the source but it doesn’t matter.“ Jacinda it does matter. The truth matters,
  Prepare for years of lockdowns and extreme puss and pain sprinkled with buckets of kindness.
  Surely there are not that many stupid people that can’t see through this, voters cannot be that stupid!
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:17am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It would be foolish to overestimate the intelligence of the average voter. It seems there is no Princess too vapid, no government too inept, no coalition too fractured to convince the average muppet not to re-elect for kindness.
    
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    August 15, 2020 6:24pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  I said many times Cindy is the law. Keep movin.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:57am
  - Prince
    
    That’s true, and she just doesn’t have time for these legal niceties.
    Be kind and back off – she’ll get around to it.
    
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    August 15, 2020 1:55pm
fernglas

At last. Some independent journalism on the subject of the virus. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ryan-bridge
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August 15, 2020 8:00am
- Scott
  
  fernglas-a good article and thank you for bringing it to our attention 🙂
  I note that David Seymour of Act is the only opposition politician coming out against the government’s virus strategy –
  “Seymour said the Government could no longer afford to lockdowns as its main response to Covid outbreaks.
  ”We need to have an honest conversation at that point about what our overall strategy is. One thing New Zealanders are very clear about today is they cannot afford a rolling maul of blunt and expensive lockdowns,” Seymour said.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300082942/election-2020-act-slams-government-after-coronavirus-lockdown-extension-national-stays-silent
  
  I think that’s right. You cannot lock down every time we have a few cases of the virus. We will simply run out of money.
  
  In short we are going to have to learn to live with this and manage it. The government’s goal of elimination is simply unrealistic and does more harm than good.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:37am
  - Simon
    
    “I note that David Seymour of Act is the only opposition politician coming out against the government’s virus strategy –”
    
    This is how fucking useless these clowns are.
    
    Community out break was enviable the fuckwits now tell us. Then where was the better plan than Level 4 lockdown?
    
    Level 4 lockdown was a panic response when Ardern shat herself and said 80,000 people were going to die. That has not panned out of course.
    
    With all the time where is the better plan than lock up level 4?
    
    They are just fuckwits in Wellington.
    
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    August 15, 2020 8:50am
  - yossarian
    
    Strategy? We’ll need to get a working group on that
    
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    August 15, 2020 8:58am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    On The Nation today, Judith was absolutely clear. National is going for an elimination strategy. The reason being we are an island nation and should be able to control the border. She is going to announce the details of how National will do this.
    Those who support the Swedish approach will have to vote Act. From what I understand Seymour leans toward the Swedish approach, though he also stresses much stronger border control. He may be having a bet both ways.
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:13am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      It looks like I’m voting for ACT then, if Collins doesn’t have the balls to step out of line and try a different approach. I don’t care if National don’t get in, because they wouldn’t deserve it. Pathetic.
      
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      August 15, 2020 10:40am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        That’s fine, good even. I’m happy to see a resurgent ACT, but national have to chase swing voters, elections are won in the middle so Judith is exactly right in this.
        
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        August 15, 2020 1:16pm
      - Prince
        
        The problem with the Swedish method is the very high death rate. If National take that to the election, I doubt they will get over 10% support.
        Vote National. Lots of people will die but…
        
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        August 15, 2020 1:58pm
      - IC5000
        
        > The problem with the Swedish method is the very high death rate.
        
        Money > Lives
        
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        August 15, 2020 5:03pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        IC500
        
        Money over lives is a false dichotomy. The same amount of lives will be lost in the final analysis, so why spend billions on utter delusion and folly? We can have a steep curve, or a flat curve, but that is just rates: the absolute numbers will always be similar.
        
        The way we are tracking, we will (and have already) spend 100s of billions putting off what are entirely inevitable deaths. It will be costly in terms of lives lost no matter what, so it is retarded to destroy the economy for the next 50 years for no real reason, other than the short-term political benefit of people who will have long moved on when the debt is still on the books. No amount of whining irrationality will ever change that fact.
        
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        August 15, 2020 5:20pm
    - chukar
      
      Is elimination possible?
      Given weak borders ,international trade and any number of global issues I don’t think so.
      It could become isolating for NZ , no sport ,Trade etc.
      NZ could revert to being ,as Hitler once described us as
      “ a small bankrupt South Pacific nation “
      
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      August 15, 2020 8:20pm
- Cinematic
  
  Wow, brutal and reasonable.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:49am
- Toko
  
  Ryan Bridge is an excellent broadcaster. He’s a social liberal, fiscal conservative and well informed. Which is rare for a younger person these days. Yesterday, he had ring in and be the PM. Bonus points were given for using Jacinda’s favourite sound bites. It was hilarious. Jacinda has never fronted on Magic Talk. I think she is too chicken shit to talk to real journalists like Ryan and Sean Plunket.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:59am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Wow, Ryan hit that one out of the park. He was fair, but makes really good points.
  
  NZ has chosen a futile dead end strategy, where the only outcome is to destroy the economy, and then learn to live with Covid anyway.
  
  “we had to destroy the village to save it”
  
  Thanks Cindy
  Thanks pink haired [Deleted – Mod] lady
  Thanks Ashley who it turns out does lock up sheeple
  
  and a super-special thank-you to the drunken dwarf who gave us this government of common-room communists, and enabled them to piss away our future.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    https://noqreport.com/2020/08/14/wuhan-flu-it-is-what-it-is-and-theres-not-a-damn-thing-we-can-do-about-it/
    Wise, and by a real MD.
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:49am
  - ancient one
    
    It’s a good article. This one is rather good too.
    From Steve Waterson The Australian
    
    [Mod Note: This is printed in part as the quoted article is paywalled.]
    
    Paying for an epidemic of stupidity
    
    We’ve handed control of our lives to a clown car packed with idiots who have wasted billions trying to defeat this virus. They will never admit it was all for nothing.
    
    A woman crosses a deserted Collins St in Melbourne’s CBD during the stage-four lockdown.
    
    Back in the good old days, the average person used to take pride in having a robust grasp of basic maths: enough mental arithmetic not to be overcharged at the shops, enough skill with pen and paper to make more complex calculations.
    
    Not any more, it seems. Many of our finest minds are infected with a new innumeracy that, in today’s fevered environment, distorts our understanding of, and response to, the coronavirus threat.
    
    In early April, as the disease was just beginning to bite, the team manning the ABC’s coronavirus news website promised to answer questions about the pandemic.
    
    When a reader asked for help in interpreting some infection-rate statistics, it provoked a cheerful response, broadcast to the world: “This just sparked a heated newsroom discussion in which we all outed ourselves as being terrible at maths.” You don’t say.
    
    They’re only — some might say barely — journalists, however. They don’t need the mastery of figures that our leaders display so magnificently. So for a moment of light relief, let’s examine the numbers that currently unnerve them. If we cancelled Victoria’s lockdown immediately, and its cases were permitted to grow at 1000 a day, the whole state would be infected in no time. By “no time”, of course, I mean 18 years. No wonder they’re frightened: at that rate it could sweep through the entire country in little more than 70 years. Luckily, in recent times we have been adding 1000 people to our population every day. Phew. Dodged a bullet there.
    
    Worldwide, excess deaths from COVID-19 (generously assuming every victim died from, rather than just with, the virus) are around 700,000. Given the roughly 60 million deaths the world records each year, it’s as though 2020 had 369 days in it, rather than 366.
    
    If that thought chills you, congratulations! A lavishly pensioned, undemanding and unaccountable career in politics beckons.
    
    ….
    
    New Zealand is lauded as the perfect example of how to crush the virus, but would anyone be surprised if it too has to pay the price somewhere down the line? Four new cases locked down the 1.6 million inhabitants of Auckland this week in a monstrously excessive overreaction that would be comical were it not so destructive.
    
    Meanwhile, the rest of New Zealand has shut down so completely it has effectively removed itself as a nation from the international community. It’s as though the country had never existed. Soon it will be reduced to a fading Cheshire Cat image of its Prime Minister’s saintly sad face.
    
    Let’s hope for the Kiwis’, and everyone else’s, sake a vaccine is found soon, although the World Health Organisation now warns we may never have one. It’s a tired line to repeat, but even after 40-odd years of searching we don’t have one for HIV-AIDS.
    
    Which, if anyone needs reminding, still kills 2600 people a day.
    
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/coronavirus-were-paying-for-an-epidemic-of-stupidity/news-story/b403b6fa3b30879654a80d8e5c7aa6f0
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:55pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Sigh. A big grumble. It’s worthwhile taking a good look at Sweden. It’s not as simple as many would have us believe.
      
      Something like 6k oldies died. Many were triaged out of hospital care and left to die wherever they were, so the hospitals were not overwhelmed.
      
      The death rate has since dropped off to buggerall. This might be the “herd immunity” thing but noone really knows – antibody tests have sort of fallen out of favour and now there is talk of T-cells but they are a bit hard to monitor.
      
      Behaviour-wise the country is at something like level 1. People are exhorted to be sensible and it seems that they are. No big gatherings, restrictions on restaurants/bars etc etc.
      
      Economically the place took a hit. I have seen numbers that said their hit was the same as Norway and Denmark – a bit less than Germany and a whole lot less than the UK. Go figure.
      
      Inbound tourist bed nights are about 50% of what they were 12 months ago. In-country tourism has dropped off a whole lot.
      
      So it’s not simple …
      
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      August 15, 2020 5:27pm
- Boxing junkie
  
  Ok people, take a deep breath. Yep, you too Ryan Bridge.
  
  Elimination is a proven strategy. It worked before and it will work even faster this time. No one enjoys lockdowns. It’s particularly sour for us because we tasted a freedom for two months that most of the world didn’t have. But it will work and we will be back to the rugby soon.
  
  Our health processes are improving. We are writing the textbook on elimination as we go so there will be missteps. But we can perfect this system. Don’t fall for people telling you things are hopeless after three days in lockdown. Instead, demand stringent health procedures from our border.
  
  Hold fast people. Get through the next two weeks.
  
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  August 15, 2020 11:57am
  - fernglas
    
    Rugby? That’s the basis for your support for this stupid strategy? Elimination is impossible. Even the PM has admitted as much. We need a strategy that recognises the inevitability of further outbreaks and helps us to deal with them in a constructive way.
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:43pm
  - yossarian
    
    Please tell me you’re being sarcastic…sometimes I never know
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:43pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    “Elimination is a proven strategy. It worked before …”
    
    You’re living in cloud cuckoo land. “Elimination” means just that. It doesn’t mean elimination it, then eliminating it, then eliminating it ad infinitum. By definition, it has never been eliminated, and nor will it never will be.
    
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    August 15, 2020 5:14pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Did you consult any viruses before arriving at your theory about elimination or did you just get it from Cindy?
    
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    August 15, 2020 5:20pm
wimpston peeeders

Lets keep moving….
the goalposts/definitions
the lockdown
the source of the outbreak
covid spread

but not the election
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August 15, 2020 8:02am
Benedict Yu

Currently staying with friend in Queenstown. So am watching TV. Which I don’t normally do.

So yesterday evening friend had 3 NEWS on. This reporter was pontificating on the latest COVID events. And she referred to “irresponsible politicians” challenging the government. Then she cited Gerry Brownlee as an example.

Then she doubled down and reported on Hipkins urging the public to rely on Government statements as “the single source of truth”.

And that is why New Zealand TV “news” should be allowed to die.
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August 15, 2020 8:03am
- Paulus
  
  Once again Tova was beside herself – why is she so immature as to be totally unbalanced continually.
  Sad really.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:46am
  - Justitia
    
    Beware the wailing banshee!: https://youtu.be/r1c-ah112UM
    
    The spirit known as “Tova O’Brien” is a high priestess in the cult of Jacinda the Implausible, sworn to exact revenge on those who question her mistress’ pet schemes for complete domination of these isolated and increasingly desolate islands. Beware! I urge you…
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:17am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  “the single source of truth”
  
  Ask The Principal at Papakura College what he thinks about the single source of truth.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:52am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Pakuranga College actually, who found out at the 1pm presser they had Covid in their midst, only to find shortly afterwards that Dr Bloomfield had erred.
    
    Ironically, who are the Ministers responsible for the respective parties, Health and Education? Just one in fact; Chris Hipkins ?
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:37am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Thank you. Started with a P and is in south Auckland so not too far away
      
      My apologies to Papakura College for being as ignorant as Chris Hipkins. In my defence, I am but an unresourced unstaffed bene and not with staff and resources on $300k per year so I may be allowed a bit of latitude . . .
      
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      August 15, 2020 11:06am
      - peterwn
        
        No worries. There is no such school as ‘Papakura College’. The two secondary schools in the area are ‘Papakura High School’ (on the wrong side of the tracks) and ‘Rosehill College’.
        
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        August 15, 2020 12:39pm
  - Durden
    
    Or the Ramen Shop in Newtown Wellington
    
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    August 16, 2020 12:06pm
- alloytoo
  
  I take it the irony of a material mistake, naming Pakuranga College when they had no connection to the outbreak, in that self same stand up was lost on her.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:55am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Thank you for doing the job most new zealanders cannot abide- watching these pearl clutching lunatics spout utter nonsense.
  
  “journalism” a polytech course for people who cannot succeed at a real job.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:03am
CJames

Looks like the scales are starting to falll off the international media’s eyes (except for the Granuiad)
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/jacinda-is-no-saint/
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August 15, 2020 8:04am
Benedict Yu

Just when you think you have seen peak stupidity along comes another one. The government is moving ALL infected people into quarantine. Because experience had shown that not all people can be trusted to self isolate. There is no singling out of Maori.

Yet this academic claims that the outbreak has “disproportionately affected Māori and Pasifika people.” Really? Maybe it is a racist virus. ?

This news article raises the question of whether the media should report every stupid statement unchallenged.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300082800/coronavirus-quarantine-policy-shift-is-racist-critics-say.

Extract follows:

“The Government has been accused of a “patronising” and “racist” policy for moving Covid-19 positive people into quarantine.

The latest outbreak is centred in South Auckland, and appears to have disproportionately affected Māori and Pasifika people.

On Friday, an expert advisory group set up in response to the pandemic Te Rōpū Whakakaupapa Urutā, criticised the shift.

The group’s co-leader Professor Papaarangi Reid said it punitive instead of mana-enhancing.”
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August 15, 2020 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I bet Dr Reti could have told Bloomfield and Hipkins and Ardern that their policy of not allowing some folks to self-isolate would go down like a plate of sick.
  
  Has anyone from the media wondered why no Maori or PI (or person of “diversity”) is standing up on the podium?
  Has anyone from the media yet realised that National has a health spokesperson who understands cultural matters?
  
  Or do the media only bring up “diversity” when it suits their agenda?
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:46am
  - Prince
    
    The last I heard from Dr Reti was on Morning Report being bombarded by Dann with ‘gotcha’ questions about Brownlie.
    A pity really, being Maori and a doctor he may have had some useful comments, but nah, could hardly get a word in between Dann’s speeches.
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:03pm
    - gorse
      
      Dann is a fuckwit. I got a life time ban on Slater’s previous website for saying so.
      
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      August 15, 2020 9:07pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “The latest outbreak is centred in South Auckland, and appears to have disproportionately affected Māori and Pasifika people.”
  
  Isn’t that where a high proportion of Maori and Pacifica people live?
  And does anyone else think that the prospect of going into quarantine would be a big disincentive to taking a test?
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:02am
  - rouppe
    
    Does anyone think a 2 week stay in a 4 star hotel with free food might be a step up for some people?
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:29am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Last time it took forever to close clusters because the overcrowded families couldn’t really self isolate and lived in poor conditions.
      
      I think the truth is these families were concerned about their ability to contain this outbreak amongst whanau and were willing for the extra help.
      
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      August 15, 2020 9:47am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        And so speaks an earnest white fulla from a leafy suburb.
        
        Yes the poor brown folks should be grateful to have mum or dad dragged off to an isolation cell.
        
        Why ever would this not be a good idea? Its for their own good you know!
        
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        August 15, 2020 10:10am
      - DeepBlue
        
        @ ex Nigel…. The whole family will be given a suite or suites at a top hotel, with separate rooms. It won’t just be the infected. Yesterday they said 37 people had gone into MIQ.
        
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        August 15, 2020 11:03am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      For people whose experience of government “support” is angry social workers lecturing them about their lifestyle, under threat of taking your kids off you?
      
      Yup this is a winning strategy to maintain the trust and confidence of the poor and huddled masses.
      
      Take the test and get illegally taken from your family and imprisoned!
      
      Catchy!
      
      I am sure that every journalist in the country will be tut tutting about the selfishness of people being scared to get tested.
      
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      August 15, 2020 10:08am
      - rouppe
        
        I’m not sure what you’re advocating for.
        
        Your strategy sounds like one where if you catch Covid, there should be no quarantine. Which is the same as the herd immunity strategy.
        Now that’s perfectly valid if that’s what you mean, but be up front about it.
        
        Or is your strategy that the mandatory quarantine is only for white people?
        
        And remember: We went to mandatory isolation facilities because people were not self isolating when they got back. They were going on holiday trips.
        
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        August 15, 2020 12:03pm
      - Lizziep
        
        Do you have experience of Social workers t d f k a nigel6888?I think you will find most social workers are kind caring and pretty damn accomodating of people who need their help. I managed a social service agency or many years and the staff were all falling over backwards to help, definitely not angry lecturers. So unless you have had personal experience in which case you should have spoken to the agency manager regarding that and another social worker would have been appointed to help you.
        
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        August 15, 2020 12:23pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        OK Rouppe, we are at the end of the string, so I can’t comment directly to you. But yes, of course I advocating herd immunity.
        
        When all the clever plans fail, and destroy the economy on the way down, perhaps the sensible one is worth considering.
        
        For the avoidance of doubt, I believe the Swedish approach is far more sensible than panicked periodic lockdowns and 400,000 people on emergency benefits and wage subsidies. Fair enough?
        
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        August 15, 2020 2:29pm
      - rouppe
        
        Ok nige, a herd immunity strategy is fine.
        
        But that’s not what my or BYu’s original comment was about. That was about some idiot saying that quarantine is racist and patronising when in fact it is a time honoured strategy to deal with infectious diseases, that this quarantine strategy is a four to five star experience, and nothing like a “cell” as you asserted, and applies to everyone regardless of circumstance, not just to brown skinned people as aforementioned idiot was saying
        
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        August 15, 2020 5:21pm
    - jacob
      
      Not if you just lost your income for 2 weeks without compensation. Are they going to fine then $3000 too?
      
      Will probably push the South Auckland vote to the new conservatives.
      
      A wasted vote is better than one for Labour
      
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      August 15, 2020 12:39pm
      - rouppe
        
        They caught covid. No matter what they aren’t going back to work until they aren’t infectious anymore. Just like if they caught measles, or the flu, or chicken pox.
        
        If it is a choice being confined to your home looking after yourself or staying in a hotel with free food and sky sports, some may find the latter experience better.
        
        I wouldn’t be against the idea
        
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        August 15, 2020 5:23pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    I guess the tracing team are onto a new hot lead that has appeared from nowhere.
    The claytons secret.
    Doctor Bloomfield will be explaining to us the source of infection was not frozen vegetables after all ,but in deed it was more than likely imported live meat that appears to be the source.
    Can’t wait to hear the explanation for this.
    Anyone see the irony here, you can go shopping for a snag in quarantine, but not at a butchers shop.
    Those pesky “kind” rules are doing my head in.
    Other question that won’t be addressed, have they actually got Zero one’s mate actually in quarantine or are they still causing mahem.
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:28pm
- Jules99
  
  Chuck them another $50 mil to keep quiet.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:04am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yup. I couldn’t think of a better way to discourage people to get tested than promising to imprison them if they test positive.
  
  Doubly so for Pasikifa and Maori who already distrust government agencies.
  
  What next:
  
  + door to door searches for plague carriers?
  + take the test or we take your kids?
  + no test, no benefit?
  
  Who dreams up their policy? and can i have a hit on their bong please?
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:06am
- Nickc2
  
  There was an interview on TVNZ the other day with a South Auckland Pacific Islands church leader who stated many of his perishers were too scared to get tested for COVID-19 because they were illegal immigrants. How the eF are we to cease the spread of this thing when that attitude and it’s acceptance prevails?
  The preacher was calling for an amnesty for illegals, which I vehemently oppose.
  If these illegals are found to have been involved in contributing to the spread of COVID-19 in NZ, will they be prosecuted and who picks up the tab?
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:54am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I do hope “perishers” was deliberate there and not just a mistake for “parishioners”
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:35pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, parishioners is the correct word. Bloody self correct spell check!!
      
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      August 15, 2020 2:18pm
- MCos
  
  Anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish will remember that when checks were made on infected people in Melbourne 25% were not not where they were supposed to be self isolating.
  Furthermore.
  If there is a couple of infected people in a household of half a dozen it’s odds on that some of the others will also come down with the bug whatever you do and whatever the ethnicity.
  
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  August 15, 2020 1:48pm
TWEEDSE

Here we go again with a lock down. At what point do we stop kicking the economy in the guts and realise that eradication is impossible.
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August 15, 2020 8:04am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  sept 19th if cindy gets her way.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:38am
Charmaine Hawke

An interesting perspective from a publication that is by no means right wing and puts our response into perspective.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/08/14/jacinda-is-no-saint/
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August 15, 2020 8:05am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Left libertarian contrarians can look awfully right wing through blinkers
  
  I speak as a former RCP member
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:35am
Dead Earnest

Jacinda said of this latest Covid outbreak, “we may never find where this came from”.
Isn’t quarantine failure the only answer? and if yes isn’t she being a little bit disingenuous?
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August 15, 2020 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Between the lines it means ‘not my fault’ Go blame someone else
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:29am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Au contraire!
    
    It means its obvious we fucked up, but I’m not prepared to be blamed, so the system let me down!
    
    Cue, sad pouty face. Perhaps even a head tilt.
    
    Cindy is very cross that we failed her again!
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:12am
  - Dead Earnest
    
    But I thought preserving us from Covid was the one thing Jacinda could do. The one solitary saving grace of a serial incompetent.
    But now -to quote DPF – she has “let the bugs out”.
    Can’t build houses
    Can’t plant tress
    Can’t even start to build light rail.
    Can’t reduce child poverty.
    And now it has become apparent she can’t even do the one thing we were told was the only thing she could do.
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:38am
- Ceejay
  
  Translation of Jacinda’s comment:
  
  “We may never find it is convenient to our electoral chances to disclose where this came from.”
  
  But unfortunately for her when (if) ever the media get the cojones to reveal the real facts of the C19 release we’re looking at the Fat Boy of news stories.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:54am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    hahahahaha!
    
    You are so funny Ceejay. New Zealand media report on failures of a labour led government!
    
    I think I can see 50 million reasons why that won’t happen.
    
    They may gently scold in retrospective, years after she buggers off to her next trough, but not anywhere close to an election.
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:32am
Te Rauparaha

Who’s off to the lockdown protest in Auckland City today?
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August 15, 2020 8:08am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  someone needs to organise a large BLM protest, I hate them but Id love to see jacinda squirm at the thought of having to condemn her woke followers.
  she would reluctantly let a BLM protest proceed
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:56am
  - rouppe
    
    Not BLM. They re neo-fascists.
    
    Simple yellow vest. Great symbolism without having to burn people’s shops
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:38am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There’s an All Lives Matter protest scheduled about now (midday in Christchurch).
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:09pm
The Proper Ghandi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIeGoHZ37yY

Interesting perspective on the draconian measures in South Africa, Melbourne and New Zealand from the guys at The Duran. Just confirms that the cattle are getting restless elsewhere too.
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August 15, 2020 8:08am
- tf78
  
  I watched that, thank you so much – now, nearly two hours later because I accidentally stumbled onto an interview with Professor Dolores Cahill on Covid facts and repercussions from lock downs. Well worth the time.
  
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  August 15, 2020 1:47pm
NK

The facts about the recent outbreak are finding their way around the Interweb.

The truth shall set us free.
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August 15, 2020 8:08am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  See my link here to The Duran.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:10am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  as a country thats got a 60% sheeple rate and a 96% media corruption rate I highly doubt it.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:16am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.’ – Gloria Steinem
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:26am
Durden

Very strange news from Ramen Shop in Newtown Wellington. Covid-19 has arrived in the Capital

The poor owner is being vilified after being told by CCDHB that they have a conformed case and will announce the news yesterday at 1pm. And then hid the information at the Bloomfield show. He published the news on his page at 1pm–responsibly to warn his other customers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122451728/ramen-shop-responds-to-backlash-after-announcing-a-customer-who-later-tested-positive-for-covid19-visited-store

May be the government decided that “not beyond Tokoroa” was better media spin than saying the “whole of North Island” at yesterday’s big announcement. Expect it to be announced today.

The government is screwing you by “nickel and diming” announcements.

They lied by omission yesterday. Jacinda lied.
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August 15, 2020 8:09am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  They’ve lost control of the narrative. Lot’s of “I told you so” opportunities arising at moment.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:12am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  Jacinda has never lied. She’s GOD.
  
  GOD reveals truth, fact by fact, at 1:00pm, most days now.
  
  Beautiful!
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:12am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  jacinda and co react to the media and public hence why she pussied out on lvl 4 as it was gauged unpalatable and damaging to her.
  
  this will get mopped up and a nothing to see here/rumours/conspiracy/never happened label attached to it.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:14am
  - GT Build
    
    Those facebook likes were drying up that is how you run a country if you want to destroy it
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  Truth: Ardern stabs it with her steely knife but she just can’t kill the beast.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:19am
  - JibberJabber
    
    From that classic album Hotel New Zealandia. ?
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:25am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Jacinda lied
  
  The sun came up.
  
  Same thing!
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:19am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “Covid-19 has arrived in the Capital”
  
  It think that it is more reasonable to suggest that it never left.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “At Friday’s 1pm press conference, Health Minister Chris Hipkins appeared to be unaware of the case, saying he was “not going to continue to comment on every speculation on social media”
  He lied. Busted sunshine
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:43am
- jacob
  
  What’s going on with that?
  
  I thought only residents were allowed in at the moment?
  
  Who comes here to spend 2 weeks in quarantine just to have bowl of noodles in Newtown and go home?
  
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  August 15, 2020 1:01pm
KevO'Brien

Has the SFO’s report on Winston and the NZF Foundation been suppressed? Has an injunction been sought?
Bumblehead needs to come clean.
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August 15, 2020 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Bobble?
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:16am
- peterwn
  
  If an injunction was successfully sought the mere fact that the injunction was sought and granted would be suppressed too otherwise the purpose of the injunction would be defeated.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    At this level the people have a greater right to know about scandal affecting the country’s leaders.
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:05am
piglady

I find I cannot look at or listen to Jacinda Arden.
My stomach churns.
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August 15, 2020 8:15am
- Unity
  
  Mine does too!! Actually she is a health risk because my blood pressure boils every time I look at, or hear, her.
  
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  August 15, 2020 11:12am
  - Alex13
    
    Definitely a COVID symptom.
    
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    August 15, 2020 4:45pm
Swifty

The new Ford Tractor 1953

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8PS03-k50w
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August 15, 2020 8:15am
WaynelSexton

twitter.com/mcb1332/status/1293581041869955078?s=21

So, tell me again how fabric masks protect us from the most expensive case of the sniffles in history?
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August 15, 2020 8:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  They significantly reduce the risk of someone infected passing on the virus.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:40am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    do they really tho?
    They lure many into a false sense of security, those that wouldve stayed home will now have confidence to go out, those that venture out once or twice will now do so many times.
    
    no point in reducing infection chances buy 50-60% if there are 300% more interactions (example to highlight the point not actual stats)
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:01am
    - lifesgood
      
      Many of us would like to go out more and more instead of being under house arrest. If wearing a mask permits it, so be it. Don’t wear one, stay home, your choice. Personally I think the whole thing is a farce. I am convinced the virus has been with us all along and we have merrily lived normally with it for months.
      
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      August 15, 2020 9:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The virus has been with us all along – Ardern and Bloomfield have been lying continuously. Socialist control freaks
        
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        August 15, 2020 9:50am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Not sure if even that is true, would be good to have a decent survey of the literature. I’ve searched and parsed what I can find, and the scientific consensus appears to be that masks make very little difference, and none at all outside. But I’m not sure how well I’ve covered the field.
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:34am
- MrLovebucket
  
  They have no medical impact. They just help identify who are the most gullible among us. Can be handy to know.
  
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  August 15, 2020 2:55pm
Classic Liberal

Some of us think we would prefer the Swedish approach. Let’s really find out how it’s going there and discuss.

Collins has stated that NZ doesn’t want the Swedish approach, so National is definitely not going for the risks initially involved with herd immunity. Just like Ardern, National wants us to remain in a safe pacific bubble until vaccination is available.

Phronesis brought this article up yesterday. Has herd immunity perhaps achieved in Sweden? From a front line Dr. https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/04/how-bad-is-covid-really-a-swedish-doctors-perspective

Have they ripped the plaster off fast and can now benefit from herd immunity and economic benefits? Was the only thing they did wrong not being thorough enough in protecting some rest homes?

But this article seems more doubtful of the economic advantages, because Swedes basically put themselves in voluntary lockdown, so not much better economically:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251615-is-swedens-coronavirus-strategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/

I wish we were getting some unbiased medical and economic experts discussing this option in NZ.
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August 15, 2020 8:20am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Collins needs to differentiate National from Labour on the approach, because I sense that more and more people are waking up to the reality daily. Open us all back up and let us, God forbid, make adult decisions. Stay at home if you want: I don’t, and that is my prerogative.
  
  What practical difference does it make if we are locked down under National rather than under Labour? The near homogeneity of opinion (and it is just opinion) makes me wonder if we are actually a sovereign nation in any real sense of the concept.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:42am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, I share that concern.
    
    But if the NZ public is too fearful of the Swedish approach, what can Collins do? Unless Dr Reti starts talking about the herd immunity approach.
    
    We should note that the Swedish health minister thought overall herd immunity would give a better *health* outcome. Being locked away in our homes with reduced rights is not healthy. Losing our livelihoods is not healthy. Not getting other medical procedures is not healthy.
    
    Even if health was really the only consideration because that’s all New Zealanders cared about, Dr Reti and the rest of National need to say how many health disadvantages there are in endless lockups and a ruined economy.
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:01am
    - fernglas
      
      I have real health concerns too. Where I live, we have to drain a glass of wine every time Jacinda uses the word “kind”, and my head is splitting today. Usually it’s not too bad because the use of that word makes me simultaneously throw up, but I am beginning to think I have acquired “heard immunity” which suppresses the vomit reflex once the word has been tolerated by 60% of the community.
      
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      August 15, 2020 9:16am
      - mic
        
        You’d better not listen to her new catchphrase then ‘ it grows before it slows’, or you’ll be an alcoholic at the end of lockdown.
        
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        August 15, 2020 10:48am
      - Sacha
        
        You too, fernglas?
        
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        August 15, 2020 11:58am
      - Mummy
        
        We do the same but our word is focus and all its variations.
        
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        August 15, 2020 3:31pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Put it to the electorate and let them decide. It needn’t be based on hypotheticals either: use Sweden as an example of responsible management. Look at our own official stats as well, nothing needs to be made-up because the information is there.
      
      Rather than damaging National’s chances (which are already pretty slim), it might even be the only way to win them the election. FFS, I get sick of the milquetoast play-it-safe approach.
      
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      August 15, 2020 9:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Reserve Bank will be taken out of Robbo’s control.
    Regardless of the virus we can’t afford to have the COL continue.
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:08am
- Durden
  
  Sweden’s economy has slowed down due to Covid generally, but more due to its socialist immediate neighbours and big trading partners punishing them for daring to be different in their handling by closing their borders to Sweden.
  
  And just to be clear, the WHO has NOT been supportive of border lock downs.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:43am
comm4nder

We will never hear the cause of the outbreak as it will illustrate the incompetence at the border.
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August 15, 2020 8:22am
- sooty
  
  Over at YSB they have one theory on how it came out of lockdown and may be Whinestone Peters journalist reveal!
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:15am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Herewith the link:
    https://ysb.co.nz/yet-another-stuff-up/
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:46am
- DeepBlue
  
  I think a few, not many, journalists are now seeing this as their big chance to break the story of their lives. It only takes one.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:53am
- Lizziep
  
  comm4nder, I believe it is on Facebook and posted many times.
  
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  August 15, 2020 12:32pm
Inandout

If Joe and Karmala win, the US Kindergartens will be like this all over the nation.
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f36df304dec887547a2fa5c
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August 15, 2020 8:25am
- Classic Liberal
  
  OMG, just where children should learn to play together, race irrelevant, they want to teach them to distrust and fear and hate each other!!
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:42am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Honestly thought it was gunna be some sicko trans/drag crap forced down their throats (will likely happen too)
  
  I wonder if in the age of equality theyll be balanced in their indoctrinating and teach about realities of black on black violence?
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:45am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  America hangs in the balance: in November, it’s either Trump, or the white genocide policy really ramps up. If people can get over “Orange Man Bad” that is.
  
  These people hate whites. Kamala Harris exemplifies this, and the ruling class want to subjugate the historical American people and replace them with radical non-whites.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Kamala Harris, she who herself came from a family of slave owners.
    What is a Jamaican-Indian hybrid on the Black spectrum?
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:10am
  - virtualmark
    
    Do you have any evidence that Kamala Harris hates whites?
    
    Or is that just a fever you’re suffering from?
    
    Also … the “historical American people” probably aren’t who you think they are.
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:01pm
    - Inandout
      
      virtual, the Harris lady a year ago called Joe all the nasty names she could dig from her hand bag. Now she says he is OK, not a mongrel at all. She is a fake of the highest order and thinks she can rope in blacks to vote for her. Joe will be gone by November.
      
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      August 15, 2020 3:59pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Gee, that’s politics. It’s a brutal profession played by grown ups.
        
        And I didn’t realise you had such concern for Joe Biden’s feelings.
        
        Personally I think it’s a measure of Joe Biden that he’s prepared to reach across the aisle and promote someone who scored some big hits on him. He’s clearly a bigger person than the tangerine Mussolini.
        
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        August 15, 2020 7:41pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Harris is a Democrat, and they all hate white people, even the whites in the party. The US Left in 2020 are either non-whites with racial grievances who have a vendetta, or self-loathing whites. They are radicals. They are not the party of Clinton and Gore any more.
      
      Observe and consider the immense corporate and state largess being thrown at the racist blacks in BLM. If whites behaved in exactly the same fashion as the BLM rioters and looters have been, they would be murdered in the streets by law enforcement agencies or locked up for life. But the privileged black narcissists? Nothing. Just lots of money and all charges dropped (if there ever were any). This is because doing so is fully consistent with the establishment agenda.
      
      The equation is this: All white people = “white supremacists” = “Nazis.” Just listen to their own rhetoric and understand the logical conclusions. By dehumanising an entire group in this way, exploiting them becomes a moral act, even a moral imperative. Reparations for slavery (which is a widely advocated policy on the American left) will entail, by definition, slavery of the mostly tax paying whites, based on the “you work, I eat” principle. They are moral relativists. To them, slavery and oppression are not bad in themselves, only when it is “done to us.” I have never claimed that all of this is not very disturbing, but I do say that it is happening before our eyes. America will likely mirror South Africa under a Harris presidency (Biden has no intention of taking the oath).
      
      Moreover, the “historical American people” are one, and only one, group: the British settlers who formed the 13 original colonies on the East Coast, that later combined to became the United States of America (which, btw is the meaning of ‘E Pluribus Unum’ – “Out of many, one” – not an open invitation to all-comers). And, certainly, these European colonists did in fact conquer the disparate, warring, and savage Indian tribes who previously inhabited the undeveloped land mass on which America sits. Conquest by force is legitimate. The difference now is that America is being given away. If some group of foreigners had come and taken it by force, at least I could respect that. But it has been willingly destroyed with the help of internal subversives.
      
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      August 15, 2020 6:13pm
      - virtualmark
        
        So … if conquest by force is legitimate, and the Democrats hate white people … then if the Democrats were to conquer all the white people by force then that would be legitimate? And so you would have no valid grounds to complain?
        
        Just checking the internal “logic” here.
        
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        August 15, 2020 7:36pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        virtulamark
        Thanks for your analysis, but my logic is both valid and sound. If you actually read my comment, America is being, or has been, given away willingly, not taken away by force. So my points stand and are fully consistent.
        
        If you had taken my actual remarks into account, not what you had wanted me to say, then you wouldn’t have thought you’d rebutted me. An earnest attempt, but you’ve got to try harder than that.
        
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        August 16, 2020 7:54am
      - virtualmark
        
        I did read your “actual remarks” and it read like a right-wing nut job screed, so no sorry not interested in any engagement.
        
        I have seen – and you have provided – no proof that there will be “white genocide” or that “Kamala Harris hates whites”. And your longer post just makes my brain hurt on so many different levels.
        
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        August 16, 2020 8:45am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        virtualmark
        Funny. Refusal to engage and descending into insults is lame, so I’ll take your capitulation as a victory. Come again.
        
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        August 16, 2020 9:59am
mandk

How many hundreds of millions (or should that be billions) has the Ardern government’s failure to enforce COVID testing at the border cost taxpayers?

And how much will it cost next week, and the week after that, and the week after that, and …?
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August 15, 2020 8:26am
Yvette

Winston claims he knows what happened – a journalist told him!
“And I could almost tell you right now what I suspect it is, because I’ve got inside information, but until it’s confirmed, I’m not going to say.” [1]

Given that Winston is presently employed as Deputy Prime Minister, of a Government that supposedly is responsible for the well-being of every New Zealander, has be discussed his acquired knowledge (substantiated or not) with the Prime Minister or Bloomfield?

Who’s side is Winston on?
Australian’s who watch Patricia Karvelas, his own side (Election oxygen while Ardern steals most of what is available), the media, or the virus?
Apparently he is not on his employer’s side or that of those who vote for him, because he spoke to Australian Television (to get his name out there) before talking to Ardern.

“That the latest outbreak is due to a breach inside our quarantine system” or anywhere in the ‘border’, is the only conclusion that on current science is available, otherwise it means New Zealand has it own spontaneously emerged virus, covid NZ 20.

So Winston is correct, but if proven to not be so, he can blame it on a “journalist”, adding even the most reliable of them can now mislead you.

Otherwise no “journalist” is involved – after all it is Winston’s word, which court cases have indicated is not always reliable – and this is just the same a pre-last Election, with a slight twist in the modus operandi.

The sooner Shane looses Northland and New Zealand First goes down the gurgler, the better.

[1] https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/08/winston_claims_he_knows_what_happened_-_a_journalist_told_him.html#comments
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August 15, 2020 8:27am
- Yvette
  
  addendum –
  Why is the Christmas Fairy always portrayed as being on top of the Christmas Tree?
  Because she signed for the tree’s delivery and Santa Claus was extremely busy when she asked him where she should put it.
  
  Which is a little thought that gives me a modicum of comfort whenever I need to refer to Shane Jones, as I did at the end of my comment above.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:45am
KevO'Brien

Facemask farce–visitors to Burwood Hospital in Christchurch yesterday were forced to wear masks. The staff however mixing and mingling with all, did not. Unless they had certified clean status they were part of the risk too.
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August 15, 2020 8:28am
davidp

I’d like an update… Have any of the Cabinet phoned Winston Peters yet to find out what he knows about the virus outbreak origin? It is possible that Peters or his journalist are wrong, and that’d be discovered when the claims are checked. But, it seems criminally irresponsible to not even check with the Deputy PM if he does know. Thousands of people could be infected. Dozens could die. Hundreds of thousands of people could lose their jobs in an extended lockdown, and all because Winston Peters knew what was going on and Ardern couldn’t be bothered to ask him.
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August 15, 2020 8:28am
- MCos
  
  There was a cabinet meeting yesterday.
  I’m sure he explained everything.
  Whether anyone listened is another matter. Everyone here knows Winston is full of shite.
  
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  August 15, 2020 1:55pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Whilst I agree with your sentiments about Winston, Is it possible that our MSM chose not to publish anything about it because it would be detrimental to Cindy and her corrupt mob?
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:44pm
G152

So the story has changed.
From boasting of over 100 days clear we got whispers last week that all was not well on the virus front.
And now we have an incident in Wellington.
How about Cindy and her pet medico stop the BS, return the news hours to fake news who are much more accomplished at lying than them and accept that this is solved by either a brutal year or a decade of small horrors
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August 15, 2020 8:28am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “ either a brutal year or a decade of small horrors”
  
  Do you mean going for herd immunity after all in a brutal year? Because economically we’re already in a very brutal year.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lying is now the new norm for the COL
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:00am
Stu2

Don’t see much point in level 2 outside Auck and the Waikato
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August 15, 2020 8:30am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  jacinda has to be whole countries saviour not just 25%, theres no other reason.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:51am
- DeepBlue
  
  Agree, but it is to stop Ex-Jafa envy. Just imagine the riots at the Bombay checkpoint if North was Level 3 and South Level 1.
  
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  August 15, 2020 12:38pm
oldpark

Act Leader David Seymour pulls no punches . He tells the Peters selected Commie Control freak NZs PM Ardern . You had one job to protect NZs Five Million against the return of the Coronavirus. You couldn’t do it . You fucked up .
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August 15, 2020 8:30am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  im interested to see if the media hit crew go after him for it, if national had said that there would be several negative hit pieces within an hour of it.
  
  I suspect that media and lefties love his euthanasia bill and want it passed theyll give him a free pass for a bit.
  
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  August 15, 2020 8:49am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I think they’re smart enough to know that ACT won’t steal votes from Labour, so making a song and dance would only have the effect of amplifying the message.
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:26am
All_on_Red

The FBI altered evidence so they could get court approval to spy on the Trump campaign
And an official just pled guilty to it

‘Former FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith has agreed to plead guilty to a single false statement charge, marking the first criminal action in an investigation centered on how intelligence agencies gathered information involving the Trump campaign and Russia four years ago in the waning months of the Obama administration’
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/14/902518714/ex-fbi-lawyer-charged-in-case-linked-to-alleged-abuse-of-surveillance-power

Just the start.
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August 15, 2020 8:47am
- virtualmark
  
  Or likely the end.
  
  The DoJ IG reviewed 29 FISA warrant applications. Their report in March said there were small errors in several – which wasn’t surprising in terms of there being small errors in long complex documents.
  
  So the DOJ’s National Security Division reviewed all 29 FISA applications. Their report came out in July. “The Justice Department’s review of the same 29 applications identified only one material misstatement and one material omission. In the Justice Department’s assessment, neither error merits invalidation of the warrant authorizations granted by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.”
  
  What’s **most** important to remember is that the DOJ IG found the Russia investigation was properly predicated and opened **11 months** before Clinesmith altered the email. He was an idiot who got lazy and falsified a document to make it easier to prepare an application that would have been granted away. It wasn’t a conspiracy and it didn’t affect the investigation. His laziness has ruined his career.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:14am
  - virtualmark
    
    Should have said … the “one material misstatement” the July report referred to is the one that Clinesmith has pled guilty to.
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:27am
    - All_on_Red
      
      As usual you are lying
      ‘The IG report concluded FBI officials made 17 “significant inaccuracies and omissions” in its submissions to the FISA court to secure warrants to target former Trump advisor Carter Page: “FBI personnel fell far short of the requirement in FBI policy that they ensure that all factual statements in a FISA application are ‘scrupulously accurate.’ We identified multiple instances in which factual assertions relied upon in the first FISA application were inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation, based upon information the FBI had in its possession at the time the application was filed.”
      
      AG Barr said yesterday that today’s announcement was a “small development”
      Sounds like there’s more to come.
      
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      August 15, 2020 9:45am
    - virtualmark
      
      Sigh. “You’re lying” is your normal response to hearing something you don’t want to hear. It’s Red’s equivalent of “Fake news”.
      
      I said the IG found errors in several documents. But they were procedural errors. Importantly, the IG did not find any conspiracy, and did not find that the FISA applications were inappropriate.
      
      Question: If you had to write 29 complex documents, each of over 100 pages, **would you guarantee an auditor couldn’t find an error in those documents**? **Could you guarantee all 3,000 pages or so would be “scrupulously accurate”?**
      
      Red, I bow before your infallibility. Clearly you are a perfect angel who never makes small errors or mistakes. The rest of us, on the other hand, are still imperfect.
      
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      August 15, 2020 10:02am
      - Ed Snack
        
        But you are lying ! What the report you are citing highlights is that minor errors are common in FISA aaplications and that these are rarely critical issues. But in the Page FISA there were at least 17 serious flaws, showing that in that case special problems occurred.
        
        To be blunt, that Page FISA was illegally obtained under false pretences, and people will be charged and indicted over it. It was a criminal conspiracy to spy on the Trump campaign to try to ensure that Clinton won, far worse than Watergate. And maybe the truth will finally start to come out.
        
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        August 15, 2020 11:40am
      - Nickc2
        
        If you had watched Hannity on SKY TV yesterday, you would have witnessed an interview with AG Barr himself. What Ed has stated is nearly verbatim as stated by the US AG himself. These crooked people in the US Justice System are going down unless the Democrats win the election and sack AG Barr and his team.
        
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        August 15, 2020 12:43pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Red, Ed,
        
        Let’s look at exactly what Clinesmith did and has pled guilty to.
        
        In a ‘follow-on’ FISA application regarding Carter Page he added the words “Not a [CIA] source.” (As in, Carter Page was not a CIA source).
        
        When asked by an FBI agent if CIA had represented *in writing* to Clinesmith that Page was not a CIA source Clinesmith said yes – when actually the CIA had confirmed it to him verbally, but not in writing.
        
        As far as I’m aware that’s it.
        
        No one appears to be alleging that Carter Page was actually a CIA source. Just that Clinesmith said the CIA had confirmed in writing when it had actually been verbal.
        
        I think the system is working in that that’s been uncovered, he’s been charged, and pled guilty. But let’s not kid ourselves that this was a significant mis-representation that the application rested on. And let’s remember that FISA warranted surveillance of Page started 11 months before this event took place.
        
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        August 15, 2020 12:52pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Ed,
        
        If there was indeed a criminal conspiracy then Trump has had three and a half years to uncover it. And hasn’t.
        
        In that same period of time Trump’s campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, first National Security Advisor, personal political advisor and personal lawyer have all been investigated, tried and are either imprisoned or awaiting sentence. So clearly there’s been time to look at what people have done and hold them to account.
        
        That says to me that the “criminal conspiracy” you’re alleging (a) didn’t take place and (b) is just bluster from a habitual liar.
        
        Pro tip: Trump projects. The things he alleges others are doing, or have done, are actually the things he has done. It’s a behavioural tic. He’d make a shit poker player.
        
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        August 15, 2020 1:38pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Clarification: I was referring to Trump as the habitual liar, not Ed.
        
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        August 15, 2020 1:50pm
softail 1450

Had a great laugh last night when the lefts cheerleader CNN roasted Ardern for her failure with the virus after “telling the whole world how well she had done”.
The poor dear will have slipped down a few pegs on the UN importance ladder, how sad.
So the international shine is coming off the global Icon whilst here in New Sheepland she is more saintlike than ever.
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August 15, 2020 9:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…

Don’t be kind…
Don’t feed the homeless
Don’t give the indigent money
– NZ Police (Kapiti-Mana)

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/wellington-police-apologise-for-notice-telling-public-to-stop-giving-food-and-money-to-the-homeless.html
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August 15, 2020 9:04am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  those signs at kea spots etc (that the govt errect) that say “dont feed the wildlife as theyll become dependant” I find halarious and ironic when the govt starts feeding the human wildlife and become life long dependants.
  
  Best thing you can do for a homeless beggar is abuse them, most are drugged up scum and givers end up fueling their addictions.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:23am
crikey

Who would have guessed that the Government would extend the wage subsidy. Many predicted it weeks ago, and along came an ideal opportunity for Labour. Perhaps a case can be made for Auckland (but for 12-14 days?), but why the rest of the country which in ability to work terms has not been affected by imposition of Level 2? Could it be yet another thinly-disguised election bribe?
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August 15, 2020 9:07am
- lifesgood
  
  Not even thinly disguised. I predicted this weeks ago. The end date of the subsidy made it obvious.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:29am
I remember when

Poor Old Winston he’s starting to believe what journalists say now!
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August 15, 2020 9:11am
- Tall Man
  
  Especially when they repeat what he told them 5 minutes before.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:01am
Maggy Wassilieff

Ministry of Health seems to be dropping the ball on cancer screening.

Lamb, who worked in the cancer sector for more than 40 years and currently holds an academic position at Victoria University has previously labelled the Ministry of Health’s handling of cancer diagnostics during lockdown a “disgrace” and predicted hundreds of unnecessary deaths as a result.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300074700/cancer-testing-appears-to-be-struggling-to-make-up-ground-lost-during-covid19-lockdown

“Covid has been awful and it has killed people. … But this year alone, we are expecting 650 women to die of breast cancer. So I think that puts it in perspective.”
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August 15, 2020 9:13am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  An inconvenient truth.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:18am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  Don’t worry about breast cancer. It won’t get Cindy to the UN.
  
  As the PTPM has stated ‘it’s all about me and Covid’.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  650 men also die from prostate cancer. My specialist appointment for prostate MRI result has been cancelled – just get a short phone consultation.
  Any cancer does not give a shit about Covid
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:10am
lifesgood

Is there any truth in the rumour that a woman broke into a quarantine facility to be with her boyfriend? Is this what Winston’s on about or is it just an urban myth? It is getting very difficult to distinguish fact from fiction these days.
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August 15, 2020 9:15am
- Sofia
  
  Reports say she did not reach anyone in isolation and the dates do not fit.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Siouxie says if Auckland went to Level 4, we’d be back in freedom even sooner…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/national-video/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=223117
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August 15, 2020 9:19am
- Jack5
  
  So much ?Wuhan flu chatter from so many experts.
  
  Politicians, medical folk, statisticians, economists, physicists, journos, the pink-haired microbiologist and folk like Rawiri Taonui, who’s an expert in, well, every bloody thing.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4366846/Outspoken-Rawiri-Taonui-resigns
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Experts. X is the unknown quantity. Spurt is a drip under pressure
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:13am
- Te Rauparaha
  
  Siouxie says… ‘die your hair pink’.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:49am
- Tall Man
  
  She epitomises “stupid” really really well.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:00am
- Stu2
  
  Many of the so called experts have been for deeper and longer restrictions, without any regard to the economy or business survival
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

We are back in the same position we were in March..

what did we gain over the last few months?
– a buggered economy
– disrupted education
– massive job losses
– some returning citizens

what will we gain when we eliminate the virus outbreak this time?
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August 15, 2020 9:23am
AJP

Have a read on the YSB blog this morning regarding the latest outbreak.
Looks like Winston knew after all what he was talking about.
If this is confirmed, then the whole government needs to step down as they lied to the NZ public.
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August 15, 2020 9:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably explains why we have only heard about trips to Taupo, etc latterly.
  
  https://ysb.co.nz/yet-another-stuff-up/
  
  Read the end material..
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:35am
  - lifesgood
    
    Good grief!!!! If this is true it’s a disgrace on so many levels. Here we all are made to suffer, our economy ruined, masses of the population in despair, even suicidal, all because two low lives wanted a bonk. Unbelievable! I hope this gets out…if true…the govt needs to own this.
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:40am
  - Kabull
    
    But wait – the problem is all the white man’s fault because putting COVID positive people into quarantine is “…racist on a number of levels,” said Reid. “It’s racist because it’s patronising. It’s racist on its stereotyping. It’s racist on its assumption we don’t have the skills and the decision-making power to make good decisions.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300082800/coronavirus-quarantine-policy-shift-is-racist-critics-say
    
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    August 15, 2020 9:48am
    - fernglas
      
      In this case, they were talking to the family for a long time over lockdown, and my view is that Bloomfield made quarantine mandatory because some or all of them wouldn’t co-operate. If that is right, it’s not because of their colour but because of their disregard for whether it is spread to others, and that has always been grounds for putting people in quarantine.
      
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      August 15, 2020 10:00am
      - DeepBlue
        
        Spot on, this is a critical piece in the puzzle. 20 yo was short on the truth, taking too long,couldn’t be trusted.
        
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        August 15, 2020 11:09am
    - Trev
      
      Just like Maori Seats in parliament are racist, paternalistic, patronising etc. but I don’t hear our professor bleating about them! Discrimination is fine so long as it is pro Maori in some eyes. (BTW I am of Maori descent and want equal opportunity for all here in NZ)
      
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      August 15, 2020 10:30am
  - RJ
    
    Or read the original Source and realise these is no credibility for the person telling the tale
    
    https://www.facebook.com/Expose-hatred-in-NZ-2379867752249023
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:58am
    - Ruahine
      
      Let us see if there is an official denial. Mike Bush gave an official denial for Clarke Gayford.
      
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      August 15, 2020 2:07pm
  - RJ
    
    Let’s add the ministers take on this for the people that believe the idiot at ysb and Facebook
    
    Hipkins was asked about suggestions on social media that someone from the index family might have visited someone in MIQ. He said he had not heard anything about that and social media was not a reliable source of information.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300082962/live-new-zealand-has-seven-new-covid19-cases-in-the-community-dr-ashley-bloomfield-announces
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:09pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maybe a speech is being written for a concerned, tilted head Javita right now “I am very disappointed with the performance of my officials; they have let the team of 5 million down…”
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:37am
- Stu2
  
  A genome sample should show if that isn’t the source – won’t show if it is the source
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:04am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I wonder how the genome tracing compares to other cases that have been caught at the border; from Melbourne, for example…
    
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    August 15, 2020 10:22am
    - RJ
      
      From stuff, so I guess they are still trying to work out where it came from, interesting considering China have also found it on imported frozen goods
      
      Police and MPI were helping with the forensic testing of the Americold Covid-linked cool store. Police had the necessary experience in dealing with scenes that need to be contained, Hipkins said.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300082962/live-ministry-of-health-to-announce-details-of-new-coronavirus-cases-on-day-four-of-covid19-restrictions
      
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      August 15, 2020 12:04pm
    - RJ
      
      And now it appears they are testing in Australia
      
      An interesting detail, Americold in Victoria will be tested to see if there’s a linkage there.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300082962/live-new-zealand-has-seven-new-covid19-cases-in-the-community-dr-ashley-bloomfield-announces
      
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      August 15, 2020 2:09pm
      - DeepBlue
        
        This is just trying to build deflection from the border, in the minds of swing voters.
        
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        August 15, 2020 2:54pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Surprise, surprise the trading insolvent rag parroting the government line. You would think that given the amount of frozen goods shipped around the world there would be some good evidence of this link. But no, only in China and little ol’ Aotearoa.
        
        Poor old RJ trying to explain away incompetence and lies. Again isn’t just a coincidence that we can’t track down the source of this outbreak….
        
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        August 15, 2020 4:15pm
- bruceavon
  
  Well, if only that were true. However it is so tantalising and perfect it reads like an urban myth to me. But a number of logic issues there. I read none of the deportees likely to have the virus because they were already in quarantine. No instances of aussies with the virus in that period. The hotel they were in was extra security and guarded by police, not just security guards. If true, surely the press would have followed this up? Sounds too much like a story from a mate who says it’s true to me. However if it is true and it’s been covered up, it would bring these guys down. The cover up is what gets you in the end, Nixon etc. But i am not buying it. Too easy.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:39am
  - RJ
    
    Pretty much. The guy that runs YSB runs a lot of bullshit articles
    
    There is no way a deportee has come into New Zealand with a load of cash. These people are being taken from the detention centres, put on a plane, landing in NZ bused to the isolation hotel.
    
    Just more YSB bullshit. You really do have to be a stupid boy to believe anything that guy publishes, he gives Slatter competition for biggest liar in the political blog scene
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:22am
    - RJ
      
      Laughing, if this is the source for that fantasy it shows how stupid YSB people are
      
      https://www.facebook.com/Expose-hatred-in-NZ-2379867752249023
      
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      August 15, 2020 11:28am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        You didn’t even bother to read the first comment on that page. The same story was posted by someone else on Facebook 7 hours earlier.
        
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        August 15, 2020 12:39pm
      - bruceavon
        
        Good grief. People on here should avoid linking to this garbage, it does the cause of right wing politics in New Zealand no good at all. Judith needs to stop referring to “information and rumours” they receive from the public too. If they ever mentioned this sort of stuff out loud they would be a laughing stock. Stick to the facts, not social media rumours.
        
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        August 15, 2020 1:41pm
      - RJ
        
        I suggest you go read the comment from the minister. Na easier to just spread an attack on the family from idiots on Facebook that has no credibility because that is the mentality of the people spreading that bullshit.
        
        Oh and if there was even the slightest chance of it being true the police wouldn’t be wasting their time with their forensics people going over the warehouse, or the one in Australia. Some of you people need to be ashamed for spreading what is essential just bullshit
        
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        August 15, 2020 2:11pm
  - lifesgood
    
    The question remains as to how a solo mother 20 year old, who lives in a crowded house in Otara, could afford a fairly luxurious holiday visiting major attractions, staying in good accommodation and eating out several times.
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:13pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Now, now you’re just being a bully.
      
      We are in all this together – team of 5 million. Be kind.
      
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      August 15, 2020 4:18pm
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      same way all the bludgers live beyond their means… working the system, selling drugs or theiving shit
      
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      August 15, 2020 5:49pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  Sounds like they’ve locked them up because they can’t trust the 20 yr old?
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Winston only said someone told him something and it was unproven and he was not going to repeat it without further proof. Not an unreasonable statement. People close to his level get such words all the time. It’s proper to ignore them. They may be simply intended irritants or mere hints hoping for trouble to come out of it.
  
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  August 15, 2020 11:21am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  This story needs to be verified.
  
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  August 15, 2020 12:13pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Has it been officially denied?
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:32pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m pretty sceptical about it actually. It’s a good story, but…… These things grow in the telling. As I stated in an earlier comment “unbelievable if true”
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:36pm
- alex Masterley
  
  That story is very plausible and does fit in with the narrative we have been given. It also fits in with what we are told about the genomic testing which suggests this new strain came from OZ or the UK.
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:54pm
I remember when

Replacement Police Notice:
We have noticed there are not enough beggars on the streets at the moment. Obviously people are not being kind enough. Please ensure that you give them money so that the number increases to show our concern for the disadvantaged.
Please take great care not to trip over any pavement sitters as it may result in a GBH charge.
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August 15, 2020 9:39am
Durden

I feel sympathetic for his current health and stage of life. But Michael Cullen shows that he is a one-eyed, envious, full-of-himself, sarcastic blowhard, and will remain so all the way to his end.

“Gerry Brownlee, relying perhaps on his long unused carpentry skills, told us that was not the case.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12356612

His only claim to fame was dubious, spending all taxpayers’ money surpluses and leaving the coffers bare at the end of one of the biggest runs of economic growth leading into GFC. He was no wizard finance minister.

Only a true-blue lefty would consider that “Some of the programmes have been underspent, particularly the large contingency fund.” Underspend of borrowed money ? When almost all of it is overspending (money we did not have) was to compensate for the unnecessary misery of the lockdown they created. And the said lockdown benefits are now proving to be questionable.

Now Jacinda is trying to spin it on last night’s announcement that NZers should feel proud that they beat the virus for at least 102 days. Lets keep moving–the goal posts.
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August 15, 2020 9:57am
- lifesgood
  
  Nasty, nasty individual. Like so many lefties full of hatred and bile. Remember his “rich prick” comment. And after being in a govt that took away knighthoods he had the absolute gall to accept one. Sorry, but no sympathy for the man.
  
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  August 15, 2020 10:20am
- cmm
  
  Cullen is being a twat.
  
  Brownlee might have starte of as a carpentry teacher, but he’s been around the block, many blocks, enough times to have built quite a skill set.
  
  But if that’s the game he wants to play then what does he think of our PM? “D’ya wont chick’n with that?”
  
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  August 15, 2020 11:12am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    If you are a carpentry teacher, it matters that 2 + 2 = 4. When you are an historian who moonlighted as a Minister of Finance in a Labour government, 2 + 2 can equal anything you like.
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:16am
  - cmm
    
    chinkn salt… bloody meds.
    
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    August 15, 2020 11:50am
- IC5000
  
  That’s a bit unfair on Brownlee. After all he failed UE twice but after immense effort to improve himself finally made it to Teachers college. What a battler.
  
  I remember passing UE on my first go with 2 weeks solid study beforehand. Obviously if one lacks the academic ability then hard work necessary.
  
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  August 15, 2020 5:13pm
Suze Wainwright

If that story is true, it’d be another reason to not be stopped at a road block manned by gang members
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August 15, 2020 10:00am
I remember when

What is it in the water in the Lower North Island West Coast?
Michael Feyen controversial ex mayor of Horowhenua District Council. At loggerheads with everybody.
David Scott, Kapiti Councillor , convicted on indecent assault charges , which he continues to dispute.
Geoff Churchman, of the Waikanae Community Board, who has resigned quoting ‘Toxic Atmosphere”. This follows his article in the ‘Waikanae Watch’ which members of Board considered ‘sexist’.
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August 15, 2020 10:49am
- Tall Man
  
  Throughout the world, karens have been empowered by even more stupid people…….
  
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  August 15, 2020 1:07pm
I remember when

So it’s official then is it?
On TV3 News at, 6pm last night, Jacinda seemed to admit there ‘is a price too high’.
How do you say, we now realise we can not achieve permanent elimination? Instead, we will be tracing and testing to limit, and control, future outbreaks.
Watch for continuing statements moving away from the ‘extermination’ goalposts.
The economic truth is becoming obvious.
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August 15, 2020 10:58am
- Hard Cheese
  
  When anyone dared criticise the Government’s approach her answer was always that the worst thing would be to yo-yo between levels. And yet here we are, with no obvious plan for future outbreaks other than yo-yo between levels.
  
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  August 15, 2020 1:16pm
oldfella

TV3’s news last night hit a new low for me. Lots of Covid news. Fine, understand that. But then ‘in other news’ they ran a Trump story. Not the signing of the historical agreement between Israel and the UAE which he’d help broker (and which would have earned Obama a second Nobel Peace Prize). Nope, a story about Trump’s intentions to change regulations regarding shower sprinklers because he was having trouble washing his hair. Did we hear him say that? No. Was the story sourced? Was it even true? Who cares? Not TV3 news, as the story ended with the TV3 fronting duo falling about, mocking Trump. BTW, they completely ignored his Middle East peace deal. Go figure.
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August 15, 2020 11:02am
- fernglas
  
  It was true. Trump himself tweeted about it. If he wants people to focus on the good things he has undoubtedly done, he shouldn’t be offering fuel for distraction. It kind of gives the impression that he’s not sure which is most important, a step towards peace in the Middle East or his hairdo.
  
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  August 15, 2020 12:48pm
WaveyDavey

So who else is hearing the tale of the dodgy crim in isolation, a 20yo girlfriend, a quarantine breach and a hooky-cash funded road-trip?
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August 15, 2020 11:03am
- Vallager
  
  I reckon everyone has heard it by now. It may or may not be what Winston and Hosking were alluding to, but at the very least someone needs to have the guts to ask Cindy straight if it is true or not
  
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  August 15, 2020 11:39am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I have texted someone who knows somebody who knows the guy who knows her text number, to text her the question.
    
    Breath, bated.
    
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    August 15, 2020 12:49pm
niggly

In light of this new covid outbreak perhaps National/ACT need to rethink their strategy?

What we do know is that many “people” (sure, not all) and the MSM it seems are “scared” of covid and when people are scared rationality goes out the window (eg people panic buy, people disregard job losses as not being as important as being safe etc).

So reduce “attacking” the govt on small issues as people and MSM don’t like their “savior” being attacked again it seems (leave any “attacks” for major issues), but instead concentrate on these:

*Praising the health workers (many of them are working ridiculously long hours eg 16 hour days).

*Give praise to Dr Bloomfield when things go well (again he is another “savior” of the “people” – people will like that).

*Gain confidence and trust of health professionals so that they pass on any frustrations to the Opposition parties when they feel the Govt is failing/lying about important issues (eg lack of PPE, flu vaccines etc).

That is, National/ACT to be their champion and defenders!

Now in some ways this has been happening (eg medical professionals passing info onto Woodhouse/Bridges previously and now National has Reti, an actual doctor which is fantastic), but again National/ACT needs to be championing them even more than they have in the past.

This gets past the “people are scared and thus distrust National” meme being projected by Labour (and their MSM repeaters).

Because this is National/ACT’s big problem (and NZF too, if they thought about it), the people/MSM perceive (incompetent) Labour as being on top of things and (competent) National/ACT as being not!

Yes it is another Orwellian type situation, but that’s the reality (when people/MSM are scared of a virus that is not nice but at the end of the day causes less deaths that the average flu season)!

Best things of all, is Labour can’t do a thing (in fact it would be what Labour would be doing themselves if they were the Opposition)!
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August 15, 2020 11:06am
cmm

$1uff asks: Code of silence: Who shot underworld figure Rota Beattie?

cmm asks: Who cares?
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August 15, 2020 11:09am
JibberJabber

Ardern and co must be relieved the Soviet Union has collapsed cos’ otherwise they’d be getting invites to the Kremlin to explain why they are bringing International Socialism into disrepute and Lavrentiy Beria would be a very busy boy.
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August 15, 2020 11:20am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSkJEL6iEoM
BLM Wants Whites to Give Up Their Homes.

I’m sure all the beautiful people in Harveywood will
Line to give up their homes by way of meeting BLM
demands. A super majority; 72% of voters want police to crack
down on ‘protestors’. It’s becoming a determinative issue for
voters. In other words, they’ll vote Republican.
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August 15, 2020 11:42am
- Inandout
  
  curry, the biggest case of ‘shit hitting the fan’ with Hollywood is that blacks/LGBTDs now get all the leading roles and whites are disregarded. In fact to be white in Tinsel Town is bad news, but of course the whole place is run by the big studios who see the writing on the wall; they will go broke.
  
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  August 15, 2020 4:05pm
  - curry4me
    
    Inandout: I agree. If the 1989 earthquake had caused
    harveywood to slide into the sea; Americas average IQ would have risen 5 points by now.
    Harveywood might run into a glitch by going non-white. Chinese audiences don’t like black actors.
    
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    August 15, 2020 5:44pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiNvEmnEmS0
CCP Power Struggle?

A power struggle may be looming between the presitator
and Premier Li Keqiang. Three top CCP people have rellies with considerable
assets in Hong Kong. It might be laundered money. Agnes Cho a democracy
activist who was arrested has become a hero. Tianamen Square was flooded
on August 12th. There have been more outbreaks of the CCP virus
in China. Some flights have been suspended. An Inner Mongolian village has
been seald off due to the plague. US sanctions against China have been extended.
Some garment imports haven knocked back because they were made by prison labour.
US Customs have seized 20,000 fake IDs from China. The US might open an
Embassy in Taipei. Premier Li Keqiang was snubbed at a recent ceremony.
Some in the CCP would like to purge him. Anti Xi factions would like to
Replace him with Li. He is in danger of being purged. Li labelled China as
A ‘street vendor economy’. There are 600 million people who only earn
$140 a month. This is not the CCP line.
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August 15, 2020 11:43am
cmm

Oh dear, questioning Chinese influence in NZ universities is no longer permitted.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122405759/canterbury-uni-orders-review-into-publication-by-china-expert-annemarie-brady
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August 15, 2020 11:43am
- oldfella
  
  Remember, ‘Don’t trust China. China is asshole’! Kinda sums it up.
  
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  August 15, 2020 12:06pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  All the Chinese national students who study here have parents who are linked to the CCP. How do I know this? Because anyone with any wealth or influence in China must necessarily achieve that status via political relationships. That is part of the definition of ‘totalitarian’ regimes. The same is true for all wealthy Chinese who inveigle themselves in this country. Unfortunately, they have influence over our politicians of all stripes as well.
  
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  August 15, 2020 12:16pm
- curry4me
  
  cmm: Yes, can’t lose that precious PRC dosh.
  
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  August 15, 2020 5:50pm
Biscuit

Just when you thought 2020 couldn’t get any worse (Liverpool being crowned Champions of England excepted):

It’s now mid-August…
Only 132 days till Christmas…
Don’t you KNOW that shops will shortly begin selling festive-themed face masks…
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August 15, 2020 12:08pm
Frank the tank

Ok let’s do a hypothetical:

1) covid19 ground zero patient is a 501
2) NZ based girlfriend visits illegally – gets a wad of cash
3) Goes for a trip down to Rotorua – spends big
4) Police/customs know about this and are madly doing an investigation right now hence the additional 12 days lockdown

If this is the case how would everyone feel and is this what Winston knows?

Call me a conspiracy theorist……
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August 15, 2020 12:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Didn’t you listen to Hipkins & Bloomfield at 1pm?
  
  We are not to be concerned about who has the infection…(No bullying, folks)… it’s the virus that is the problem.
  
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  August 15, 2020 2:20pm
  - Max
    
    Where is the PM? Is it now the Bloomfield and Hipkins show from now on, or at least until the election?
    
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    August 15, 2020 2:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She’s been busted telling too many lies. Time for Hipkins to carry the can – coz he would never lie //
      
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      August 15, 2020 3:16pm
      - sooty
        
        Weekend off?
        
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        August 15, 2020 5:31pm
      - david
        
        Sorry sooty, reported in error.
        Answer to your question tho’ seems that Cindy’s Kindy is closed on weekends.
        Financial and national health crises are insufficient reasons to break the pattern of behaviour. T’will be back to normal transmission on Monday.
        
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        August 16, 2020 9:44am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      They take jacinda away when any heat comes on so the public dont associate her face with bad news or found out lies even tho she told them.
      classic switcheroo.
      
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      August 15, 2020 5:54pm
- Inandout
  
  Frank, that account is doing the rounds on social media and sooner or later the MSM will have to ignore Jacinda’s supposed instructions to ‘clamp down’ and not mention the criminals.
  
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  August 15, 2020 4:10pm
DeepBlue

The Rotorua MIQ breakin was by a woman 45years old. That is a red herring.

We need to look at the initial planeload of deportees. On 27 July the first of whom were released from 14 days quarantine at Ramada, Auckland. We know the first identified infection was 9 days before last Tuesday. The 20 year old may have taken up to 14 days go show symptoms so she could be ‘Case 0’. Which is why JA said yesterday they were not concerned to find the original case…. She didn’t want this coming out.

Stuff ” Deported former bikie gang boss Raymond Elise has been released from isolation in Auckland and says he’s pleased to be reunited with his family.

Elise was one of about 30 deportees from Australia spending 14 days isolation at the Ramada Suites in Federal St in the central city.

As dawn broke on Tuesday morning, just before 7am, Elise carried his bags from the hotel, through the high fencing and into the boot of a waiting SUV.

He appears to be the first of the “501” deportees released from the Ramada.” 27 July 2020
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August 15, 2020 12:57pm
KH

Some vile allegations repeated on Stuff today. And simply quite wrong.
They repeat these things often enough that some even believe them.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300082800/coronavirus-quarantine-policy-shift-is-racist-critics-say
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August 15, 2020 1:09pm
- greybeard
  
  I can’t get my head around the fact that all of these people who identify as maori or pacifica are obviously at least 90% european !.
  If I make a litre of black coffee and add a teaspoon of milk does that make it white coffee ?
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:40pm
  - curry4me
    
    greybeard: Yes, I wonder how likely it would be for a theoretical ‘academic’ with a moko to suddenly ‘discover’ their Scottish side, and have some Pict tattoos added. Best not to hold one’s breath waiting. Not likely to be any free gummint money involved.
    
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    August 15, 2020 5:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Those who see racism everywhere miss their own blindness.
  
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  August 15, 2020 5:32pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “On Friday, an expert advisory group set up in response to the pandemic Te Rōpū Whakakaupapa Urutā, criticised the shift.”
  
  Well, I guess we now know where the extra $56 million for a maaori response to COVID has gone.
  
  Pointless, useless “expert advisory group” set up to slurp at the trough, and now they have to find something the “white man” has done or not done to criticise, to justify their existence.
  
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  August 15, 2020 9:50pm
septic skeptic

I cannow make sense of the Labour slogan “let’s keep moving”. It is short for “let’s keep moving on” and it means “nothing to see here, move on, we are focused on the future. Plenty of time for us to discuss mistakes after the election.
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August 15, 2020 1:25pm
TWEEDSE

A headline today, “Auckland Mayor Phil Goff is urging businesses to stop price gouging and “act responsibly””

Of course the irony would be lost on Goff having just gouged ratepayers with his increase.

No one does hipocracy like socialists.
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August 15, 2020 1:54pm
lifesgood

What’s happened to GD? No posts for nearly 2 hours. Does anyone know how many new covid cases there are today? Sorry, I just can’t bear to watch the Punch and Judy show.
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August 15, 2020 1:59pm
Frank the tank

At the local beach – everyone having a good time, plenty of social distancing and along comes 3 squad cars – I shit you not
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August 15, 2020 2:07pm
- kowtow
  
  I’dda thunk the Cops would a had better things to do ,like helping Hone’s Henchmen to set up roadblocks .
  
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  August 15, 2020 2:18pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  So what did the police do?
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:38pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Nothing as no one was breaking any laws. They seemed disappointed, got some death stares from the locals and moved onto their next population to intimidate.
    
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    August 15, 2020 4:25pm
RJ

Two interesting articles

There is no evidence to suggest Covid-19 can spread via food packaging, health experts say.

However, New Zealand authorities are investigating whether a recent outbreak of Covid-19 in the community came from chilled products shipped from overseas, with a particular focus on a Melbourne coolstore where two workers recently tested positive for the disease.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122446076/were-leaving-no-stone-unturned-did-new-zealands-outbreak-come-from-a-melbourne-coolstore

Two cities in China have found traces of Covid-19 in cargoes of imported frozen food, local authorities say, although the World Health Organisation downplayed the risk of the virus entering the food chain.

A sample taken from the surface of frozen chicken wings imported into the southern city of Shenzhen from Brazil, as well as samples of outer packaging of frozen Ecuadorian shrimp sold in the northwestern city of Xian, have tested positive for the virus, local Chinese authorities said.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/chinese-cities-find-covid-frozen-food-imports
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August 15, 2020 2:24pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Cool story bro
  
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  August 15, 2020 2:51pm
- greybeard
  
  If that was the case then surely in the last 8 or 9 months since CV-19 appeared worldwide then the enormous volumes of frozen foods moving from one country to another would have infected just about everyone on the whole bloody planet ?
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:19pm
- cmm
  
  Finding traces of a virus means nothing.
  
  Your body can easily fight off thousands of the little buggers even if you’re compromised.
  
  What matters is when there are hundreds of thousands/millions of them to overrun your defenses.
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:26pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  They would like this to be believed: then it’s not their quarantine stuff up.
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:41pm
- david
  
  Of course every shipment of goods is accompanied by documentation That may have been sneezed or coughed on and is probably carried in an envelope that someone may have licked to seal. Lots of possibilities there.
  
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  August 16, 2020 9:51am
dave_c_

I guess most voters are an ignorant lot !
Young Voters Love Trump’s COVID Plan…
When Told It’s Biden’s.
I guess Labour voters would love any plan proposed by National, if they were also told that it was made by Ardern.
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August 15, 2020 2:32pm
- cmm
  
  … and hated Trump’s policies/quotes until they found out they were really Obama’s.
  
  Most NZ voters would not know the difference between Labour/National policies. What they can tell apart is the different emotional stuff packed around them.
  
  ie. Sell the sizzle, not the steak.
  
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  August 15, 2020 3:28pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    It would be nice if we knew what the covid plan was in advance rather than having to wait after the event for it to be formulated.
    
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    August 15, 2020 3:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Same as the Election. Labour say vote us in, then we will tell you what our policies WILL be.
      
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      August 15, 2020 4:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Based on the last 3 years Steve, do you really think they can do anything>
        
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        August 15, 2020 6:12pm
Prince

I notice we are being warned not to relay details of how the virus was initially spread, but to only listen to the official progress reports.
Peters has been silenced.
Given our largest province in in lock-down, and the rest of us have some freedoms removed, why shouldn’t we know of the behaviours that led us here ?
The ‘team of five million’ is entitled to know how this virus was re-introduced, surely, or is that none of our business now ?
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August 15, 2020 3:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tell more. Hipkins said during the 1pm propaganda “If you heard it here at 1pm it is the truth’ That is on play school TV1.
  So social media is fake news. You (Hipkins) told a lie yesterday about a case in Wellington – you fucking knew it.
  Jacinda is throwing you under the bus sonny
  
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  August 15, 2020 4:32pm
Fletch

New Zealand’s 1pm televised Covid briefing has made it on to IMDB (the Internet Movie Database). Here are some choice bits from the Trivia description etc –

Some of the journalists are actually unqualified extras, brought in by the producers to add a level of tension. Affectionately know as “morons” by the crew, these idiots are tasked with asking inane, repetitive and irrelevant questions sourced from the depths of the internet.

—

The ongoing saga of Tova vs Jacinda is what keeps me gripped. The absurdity of the questions from Tova vs the quick wittedness of Jacinda is worthy of any drama. Will there be fisticuffs? Will there sarcasm? Will they ultimately fall in love?

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt12511606/
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August 15, 2020 5:11pm
Ian Hawthorn

Seems to me that there is a good case that the South Island should be allowed to go back to level 1. We do have a natural isolation barrier in the middle of the country. No cases in the South Island yet as far as I know.
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August 15, 2020 5:17pm
RJ

Shame some of the people who spread this shit don’t think before they do it. Some people need to grow up before launching lunatic raving attacks on the family at the centre of this outbreak.

A harmful rumour widely circulating on social media claiming the resurgence of COVID-19 in Auckland is due to a young woman infiltrating a quarantine facility is false, MBIE says.

Newshub
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August 15, 2020 6:46pm
Durden

Hopkins spins the percentage of workers being tested — 40% or 60% ?

Hipkins is trying distraction on the CoLs testing debacle by saying Jet Park hotel alone in Auckland has had 60% staff tested every week.

This is a clever phrased lie. It tries to distract from the fact that over 60% have NOT been tested if you take all operating isolation and quarantine centers into account. Any worker in these establishments, not just Jet Park in Auckland, could pickup infections from incoming travelers who are pre-symptomatic, waiting-for-tests, or waiting for test results.

Hope media call him out today 🙂
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