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Paulus Gnome

To help commemorate National Poetry Day that will not be marked this year because, you know, colonisation, just kidding, covid, I have penned a few lines.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Your government is crap, and so are you.

I’ll put my coat on . . .
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August 21, 2020 8:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ll play your game:
  
  Roses are red,
  Violets are blue,
  Let’s vote out the Government,
  With Two Ticks Blue 😀
  
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  December 21, 2019 8:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Slightly off-topic, but one of my all-time favourites:
    
    Roses are red
    Violets are glorious
    Never sneak up
    On Oscar Pistorius
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:35am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Roses are red
      Violets are blue
      Horses that lose
      Get turned into glue
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:20am
    - Biscuit
      
      Great one, Loddenthinks.
      
      I always liked this one:
      
      Roses are red
      And ready for plucking.
      You’re sixteen. And ready for ….
      High School
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:55am
    - Exclamation Mark
      
      Courtesy of Stevie Wonder:
      Roses are black
      Violets are black
      everything is black
      I’m blind, I can’t see!
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:59am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Or Roger Miller’s take (from Dang Me):
      Roses are red and violets are purple
      Sugar is sweet and so is maple surple
      
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      August 21, 2020 1:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Paulus the poetaster
  Tosses out a rhyme
  It really is no master
  So try another time
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:31am
  - Random T Person
    
    Sorry Mike but his was better than yours :(…happy Friday!
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:39am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I don’t know, poetry can be quite subjective.
      
      Mike was a poet,
      Mike didn’t know it,
      He thought he was on a roll,
      Turns out, he was just a troll
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:01am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Mikey mouths off
        Much like a Goff
        Full of BS
        Never a success
        
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        August 21, 2020 9:20am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Doesn’t scan. Try putting something to an established rhythm, such as the classic limerick form or a well-known song. For example, sing to the tune of Home on the Range:
        
        Oh give me a gnome
        Who can set out a poem
        And play upon words all the day
        Who seldom will write a line that is trite
        And whose limericks are always okay
        
        Have a great day.
        
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        August 21, 2020 9:52am
- RJ
  
  Roses are read
  Violets are blue
  Jacinda is the prime minster
  The country is fucked
  
  Hmmmm, it doesn’t ring but it’s true
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:23am
  - Flossie
    
    Scans perfectly imo!
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:57am
- rouppe
  
  Roses are red
  Violets are blue
  Some poems rhyme
  This one doesn’t.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:54am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Commies are red
    Which is why we are blue
    If the Princess don’t lose
    We are fully screwed.
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:16am
- Fletch
  
  Labour is Red,
  National is blue.
  The election is here.
  You know what to do.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:20am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I like how you’re thinking
    A sensible fellow
    But all things considered
    I might just vote Yellow
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:08pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Roses are red,
  Labour is good
  Violets are blue,
  National screwed we all knew
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:30pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    I’d like to say
    Don’t be a dick
    And I’m not even
    A rich prick…
    
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    August 21, 2020 1:10pm
2ic

What a disgrace our MSM are. With Labour under pressure over their incompetence and downright lies over border management, time to trot out a puff-piece on Ardern:

“Jacinda Ardern’s successful and clever election date shift”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358322

…and a hit-job on National:

“Why is National struggling to convince voters?”
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300087746/why-is-national-struggling-to-convince-voters
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August 21, 2020 8:00am
- igm
  
  That opinion piece is by a radical left-wing taxpayer-funded academic. These are the way for our CoL as the bludgers in society think they are their saviour.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:16am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Here’s the footer to the Stuff opinion piece:
  
  Josiah Banbury has taught social policy and human services at the University of Canterbury. His research interests include disasters, housing and economic inequality.
  
  Somehow, I doubt that Mr Banbury has looked at this through anything other than red-and-green-tinted spectacles. It’s worth noting though that his research interests of disasters and housing might come in handy if he was ever to research the disaster known as Kiwibuild!
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:19am
  - alphabeatrium
    
    Makes you wonder whether such people with “research interest in housing” have ever swung a hammer.
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:32am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    He must be a card carrying Labour poodle.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:31pm
- peterwn
  
  Jacinda was effectively dragging and screaming into an election day shift. The Governor General received a letter from Winston on this and Judith also probably discreetly approached the GG on this. Jacinda and the GG probably had a chat about this with neither wanting a public showdown.
  Jacinda has foolishly stated that the October date is ‘final’. She should have left the door open a wee bit in case lockdowns have to last longer.
  Similarly Chris has declared there will not be a level 4 lockdown. Again he should not have closed off options.
  He and Jacinda obviously do not want another level 4 lockdown, but no way should political considerations be influencing this.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:23am
  - Simon
    
    “Similarly Chris has declared there will not be a level 4 lockdown. Again he should not have closed off options.”
    
    Naw level 4 is off the table. They are just going to have wing it and it hopes it doesnt blow up. The die is cast.
    
    Expect over the coming weeks MSM stories about how much we have learnt about Covid19 and new treatments and falling death rates.
    
    They need to change tact and take the sting out the Wuhan virus to cover Labour’s latest failure.
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:51am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yup. The pivot from eliminate to live with, has started….
      
      …. oh that Covid, well its all under control now, look at the death rate….. Health agencies stepped up…… team of 5 mill played its part ……. we’ve beaten Covid!!!!! Saint Cindy has saved us all!
      
      ….. well done everybody! Now who wants a glass of milk with morning tea, and today’s story time.
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:14am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’s exactly like that, and even worse. I clicked on a headline and it took me to a new section laughingly called The Whole Truth, and shows just what a bunch of tossers the media are.
  
  This is what they sat about The Whole Truth:
  
  “While they’re vying for votes, politicians will tell all sorts of tales to win favour. Sometimes, they’ll lie.
  
  More often, they’ll tell just one part of the story. The part that shows them in the best possible light.
  
  They’re salespeople trying to close a deal. The stuff that makes them look great, they’ll crow about. The bits that are less flattering, they’ll avoid.
  
  It’s our job to fill in the gaps for you.
  
  In the six weeks leading up to election day, we’re delivering The Whole Truth of the campaign.
  
  We tackle the big debates and key issues, giving a full and clear account of each without all the noise of the raucous daily news cycle. And sometimes, the Whole Truth exposes the lies of those who would be your representative in Parliament.”
  
  There are 4 articles on there. Every single one of them is shilling for the government. One declares that testing before boarding is pointless and a waste of time, and refers to it as Nats’ early testing plan. It’s written by a political reporter, not an epidemiologist.
  
  It also says that Hipkins considered pre-boarding negative test verification, but discarded because (and I am not making this up) “What makes the greatest difference is the amount of contact returnees have within managed isolation facilities.”
  
  No kidding! If this truly was impartial reporting, he had to add “something this government has failed at spectacularly and often.”
  
  The other articles attempt to paint the impacts of the wage subsidy ending and the new rental law changes as not really being as bad as everybody knows they will be, and the final shill-piece talks about how our limited numbers of ICU beds meant that Jacinda’s strategy of lock-down and hope was the only way to go.
  
  I have no idea if they truly believe this crap or they’re just going along with the crowd. Either way, it’s sick-making.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  MSM, arse lickers
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:05am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Well, they aren’t allowed to lick the government’s ass at the moment, Comrade.
    
    Social Distancing!
    
    Take yourself off to the re-education classroom for a time out!
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:16am
- Scott
  
  One can only hope that the news reporters will come out to the provinces to find out what is really going on.
  Having breakfast in a local cafe in Masterton. The owner is really worried. Having just survived the first lock down, she is struggling as customers are scared away by the virus message. She’s worried that the PM will not get us back to Level 1 for ages.
  Her business needs level 1 to get back on its feet.
  We note that Masterton and the Wairarapa has been covid free for months. Not a single case for months. But here we are. In Level 2 again.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:05am
  - Sacha
    
    -but everyone must suffer, for the good of our fellow man.
    Aren’t we all in ‘this’ together?
    I heard on Hosking this morning that many small businesses in Auckland are simply ignoring the shut-down. I can’t say I blame them!
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:41am
    - Raphael
      
      They kinda have to ignore it. The choice is between minor chance of getting sick versus bankruptcy.
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:24pm
- JackRabbit
  
  I keep hearing that a lot of long term Labour voters, that actually work, e.g. truckers, hate Cindy with a passion because she tells porkies.
  
  These are people who have voted Labour their entire lives. For the first time in their life, they will not vote Labour, however many do not want to vote National because of the repercussions if relatives find out. They do not know who to vote for. I told them vote for ACT.
  
  I suspect that the percentage of swing voters is a lot higher this election. We should not take a Labour win as a given.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:08am
  - pdm
    
    I heard one `self proclaimed’ lifetime voter tell Peter Williams (I think) on Magic Talk that she was disgusted with Ardern and would not be voting Labour this year.
    
    So there is some dissent – but that may change by the time she gets to the ballot box.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:35am
  - Philview
    
    I was talking to someone yesterday who had never mentioned a political preference before. This person is usually concerned about environmental issues so I thought perhaps a Green Party voter. Yesterday out of nowhere this person said “I am voting for Judith Collins, she is a straight shooter and that is what the country needs right now”. Wow, I thought. perhaps a surprise is coming.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It reminds me of 1975. Labour’s excessive belief in their own abilities took them previously too.
      
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      August 21, 2020 10:04am
      - Flossie
        
        Think of Australia’s Labor Party May last year. Mrs Shorten had the PM’s residence measured up for new curtains (figuratively speaking!) but Scott Morrison appealed to the quiet Australians… he believed in miracles, and rightly so.
        
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        August 21, 2020 10:18am
    - Hollyfield
      
      It also reminds me of the last election – one of the Green co-leaders made a comment about claiming a benefit she wasn’t entitled to. Didn’t dent the Greens support in the slightest, and people I worked with (who I had previously thought were sensible people) were praising her and saying they were happy to pay higher taxes to support people in this way. Then within a few days as more information came out, the people who had been praising her were suddenly very, very critical – and far more critical of her than I was. They didn’t mind the claiming a benefit not entitled to because she said she needed the money, but when the extra information (which I can’t quite remember the details of now) came out, many of her supporters turned on her and the Green vote collapsed.
      
      I can see the same thing happening this election. Fans are fickle, and once a few start criticising, it may snowball.
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:19am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Jo Jo Rabbit – Nice touching story. Brought tears to my eyes.
    
    “I keep hearing that a lot of long term Labour voters, that actually work, e.g. truckers, hate Cindy with a passion because she tells porkies. ” – yeah right.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:37pm
- Sigmund Freud
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300087746/why-is-national-struggling-to-convince-voters
  
  How is it possible for this article to be written without even ONCE mentioning the fact that the MSM were heading for bankruptcy and received $50,000,000 prop-up from the current Prime Minister of other people’s money???
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:17am
  - SB2
    
    Nonsense!
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:36am
- Liberty
  
  “ she has further enhanced her leadership reputation”
  
  Another rant by a labour minion.
  Where as in reality.
  Dear Leader had to eat a rat to move the election date.
  Labour had the election in the bag. With the help of a compliant media.
  And a forgettable couple of weeks for National.
  As they say. A week is a long time in politics.
  Dear Leader is now firmly on the back foot.
  With a new leader National is on a roll.
  The Coalitions Deputy leader has been sticking the knife into the Coalition.
  One or two media are finally asking the Coalition the difficult questions.
  The coalitions deputy leader slush fund report now might be released before the election.
  The Coalition cabinet is down to about 3 people. With the rest in witless protection.
  The management of the border is a total clusterfuck.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:43am
- kloyd0306
  
  You are right to be outraged but the Herald have been using opinion pieces as news for years now.
  With $50 millon of “our” money they are simply emboldened to now use opinion as headlines.
  Maybe using Trump’s Good Year example (replicating the left) might get the Herald’s attention.
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:41pm
TWEEDSE

Sadly most voters don’t think, don’t question and look no further than what’s in it for them or promised to them.

They adore the chosen one.

How far we have descended into selfishness compared to the aspirations in JFK’s speech, “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what can you do for your country”.
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August 21, 2020 8:01am
- MT_Tinman
  
  JFK’s quote is pure communism.
  
  A correct version would be: Ask what advantage your country can give you to help yourself.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:22am
  - MCos
    
    Steve Brannon said that
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:53am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      Obviously a bright fellow, your Mr Brannon but I doubt he did as I just made the second part up.
      
      The first part I read first in the ’70s.
      
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      August 21, 2020 10:29am
    - Cassandra
      
      If it’s actually Bannon then he’s about to get measured for a lovely new orange jumpsuit.
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:48am
Sigmund Freud

I wonder how many freedoms we have enjoyed for 150 years will Ardhern will steal from Kiwis today?
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August 21, 2020 8:01am
- David George
  
  Labour have abandoned liberalism – in the true sense of the word. Liberalism itself is dying in the West, severed from it’s Christian and enlightenment roots, prey to it’s own contradictions and now under full blown assault from the current iterations of Marxism.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:20am
  - David George
    
    Here’s a truly great essay that looks at the challenge posed by Marxism. https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/
    
    Excerpts:
    “In the United States, Marxists were now strong enough to demand that liberals fall into line on virtually any issue they considered pressing. In what were recently liberal institutions, a liberal point of view has likewise ceased to be legitimate. This is the meaning of the expulsion of liberal journalists from the New York Times and other news organisations. It is the reason that Woodrow Wilson’s name was removed from buildings at Princeton University, and for similar acts at other universities and schools. These expulsions and renamings are the equivalent of raising a Marxist flag over each university, newspaper, and corporation in turn, as the legitimacy of the old liberalism is revoked.
    As in the universities and the media, they will use their presence within liberal institutions to force liberals to break the bonds of mutual legitimacy that bind them to conservatives—and therefore to two-party democracy. They will not demand the delegitimization of just President Trump, but of all conservatives. We’ve already seen this in the efforts to delegitimize the views of Senators Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, and Tim Scott, as well as the media personality Tucker Carlson and others. Then they will move on to delegitimizing liberals who treat conservative views as legitimate, such as James Bennet, Bari Weiss, and Andrew Sullivan. As was the case in the universities and media, many liberals will accommodate these Marxist tactics in the belief that by delegitimizing conservatives they can appease the Marxists and turn them into strategic allies.
    
    But the Marxists will not be appeased because what they’re after is the conquest of liberalism itself.”
    
    “Liberals will have to choose between two alternatives: either they will submit to the Marxists, and help them bring democracy in America to an end. Or they will assemble a pro-democracy alliance with conservatives. There aren’t any other choices.”
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:26am
    - calendar girl
      
      It’s difficult to believe that nobody in the NZ Government has set out to do something about PM Ardern’s ingrained mispronunciation habit. Young people, but especially females, are now routinely replacing the letter ‘t’ with a ‘d’. Many young males are also beginning to do so increasingly.
      
      Is our Government Education Department doing anything to arrest this insidious distortion of our country’s speech patterns. Perhaps one of our media sleuths could ask Education Minister Chris Hipkins that question during one of his media interviews.
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:24am
      - Flossie
        
        Particularly grating when you consider how Simon Bridges was mocked for his pronunciation.
        
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        August 21, 2020 10:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/118615106/laziness-united-states-and-our-own-prime-minister-to-blame-for-regression-of-english-language
        
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        August 21, 2020 10:10am
      - amospicton
        
        I think I heard 3 ‘jepradised’s inside a minute in parliament this week.
        
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        August 21, 2020 10:17am
      - graham
        
        Wow, I hadn’t seen that article – thanks Maggy Wassilieff.
        
        Lazy or ignorant pronunciation of the English language is one of my pet peeves – especially in the current environment where we are told that we must pronounce Maori words correctly, and how racist we are if we don’t make an honest attempt. Virtue-signalling radio hosts and other media ‘personalities’ will sternly tell us off for not respecting the Maori language. Yet nearly day we hear the English language being mangled and tortured. So how about some equality?
        
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        August 21, 2020 11:19am
      - Raphael
        
        The same folk will complain about the mispronunciation of Maori words and phrases.
        
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        August 21, 2020 12:42pm
      - Akarak
        
        I understood that we had two official languages – English and Maori.
        That’s O’K. You can opt to use one or both.
        But what our media promote is something representing a mixture of both.
        The spoken word as used by our politically correct can only be described as a form of Pidgin English.
        How colonial!!
        
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        August 21, 2020 5:33pm
    - Justitia
      
      @ David George: thank you for sharing this excellent article, I am now following the author on Twitter. He is right on target, classic liberals and conservatives must ally to fend off the mortal threat to democracy posed by Marxism. It is well advanced in this country.
      
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      August 21, 2020 10:28am
    - Fletch
      
      As someone pointed out the other day on Facebook – liberals accuse the U.S of “systemic racism” and other problems with the system. Yet the Left control every major institution in the US – mainstream media, the academy, administrative government, Hollywood, big tech..
      So if there is “institutional racism” whose fault would that be?
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:26am
  - SB2
    
    David George , liberlaism had largely nothing to do with Christianity.
    
    More to do with enlightenment thinkers like John Locke , David Hume, Montesquieu, Rousseau, John Start Mill etc, etc
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:40am
    - David George
      
      I beg to differ SB, the fundamental concept of the sovereignty and divinity of man is Christian to the core. It’s subsequent development into the social and political ideas of Liberalism were a product of Enlightenment thinking as you say. I trust you’ve read the link I posted on the situation today; here’s a link to some thoughts on the origins. https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2014/11/17/liberalisms-christian-roots/
      “In this wide-ranging work of intellectual, cultural, and political history, Siedentop, an emeritus Oxford fellow, argues that liberalism, secularism, human equality and natural rights, the social contract, and the shielding of the private from the public and of society from the state should not be treated as innovations of modernity in either of these ways. Instead we should understand these essential features of the modern West as products of Christianity itself.”
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:02pm
      - SB2
        
        I forgot the diminshed influence and power of the Church itself as a consequence of the wars of religion etc that ushered in the enlightenment.
        
        I think the founding fathers would disgree with Siedendor They owed much more to Locke, Montesquieu etc plus the dimished power and influence of the church.
        
        And of course seperation of church and state
        
        https://www.constitutionfacts.com/us-declaration-of-independence/two-great-thinkers/
        
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        August 21, 2020 2:51pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    “Liberalism itself is dying in the West, severed from it’s Christian and enlightenment roots”
    
    Good. Liberalism has killed the West. A return to Conservatism (i.e. tradition, order, hierarchy, virtue) is the only viable route. Liberalism doesn’t have any roots in Christianity, and political/social liberalism was the worst idea to come out of the Enlightenment period (notwithstanding its advances in many other areas). The world we see in 2020 is the logical conclusion of liberalism.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:15pm
- Ronin
  
  “I wonder how many freedoms we have e̶n̶j̶o̶y̶e̶d̶ fought/died/sacrificed for 150 years will Ardhern will steal from Kiwis today?”
  
  There, fixed it for you.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    Well said, thank you!
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:45am
  - SB2
    
    Arden steal from us ?
    
    None so far!
    
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    August 21, 2020 2:56pm
- igm
  
  Watch them come for your drivers’ licences, put pressure on councils to increase rates to remove oldies from their homes, make sure we get zero interest or less for monetary investments, and really hit material assets such as cars, boats, bikes, beach houses, investment homes, incomes over 70,000 p.a. and this is for starters.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:22am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes about time that ‘income over $70k is taxed at 33%’ was increased to say income over $120k as that tax rate was brought in back around 2009 I think when $70k used to be an ok income.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda will steal anything for a vote
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:06am
- SB2
  
  “how many freedoms ??
  
  None!
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:37am
Paulus Gnome

Sooooooooooooooooo, in how many ways will dear leader be disappoinded today?
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August 21, 2020 8:02am
- KiWombat
  
  Don’t you mean dizzypoinded?
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:44am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Indeed, we simply aren’t worthy to have her walk amongst us!
  
  I nearly touched the hem of her garment once. it cured me of Scrofula!
  
  A miracle I tell you!
  
  Then my wife reminds me that I didn’t have Scrofula, I don’t know what Scrofula is, I will get into trouble for stealing washing off the line at Premier House, and that I should stop procrastinating and do the dishes!
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:20am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Scofula is making a comeback* in NZ.
    
    It’s a TB complication. Main reason the upper classes wore ruffs back in 16-17the century days, and scarves for the yokels.
    
    * Before I worked overseas in war-torn and / or very poor dictator-headed countries (high degree of overlap there) I had never seen a case outside of textbooks.
    
    Now, is it be that we are now importing numbers of the TB-infected? Why yes, yes it is.
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:20am
    - Cassandra
      
      Cured by the Royal Touch? MP for Mt Albert could fix that.
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:50am
Swifty

Dunedin white power guys need to work on their haircuts if they want to be taken seriously:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358360

Nasty little doofuses.
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August 21, 2020 8:03am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Can’t even get proper skinheads in Dunedin these days.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:23am
  - Swifty
    
    Can’t even handle their piss.
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:43am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Too cold!!
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems some folks are unhappy that Michael Morrah has been asking questions about the competency of our Health Overlord.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018760327/midweek-mediawatch-calls-for-accountability-meet-angry-backlash
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August 21, 2020 8:04am
- Frank the tank
  
  Good ol’ St Ash. The only person in NZ who likes the limelight more than Cindy.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:17am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    To be fair Frank, briefings to the public are part of his job description. At least he doesn’t do school and ECE centre visits with a train of media following.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:00am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – Ash also speaks normally not the patronising pre school delivery we get from Ardern.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:38am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, Morrah knows once the $50 million Media Mullah finishes they will have to once again stand on their own feet. He may end up being in the right place at the right time.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:49am
Frank the tank

So we can’t make a call on levels today because of the St Lukes case.

Seems a good enough reason to keep fu*king Auckland business up the ass without lube.
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August 21, 2020 8:06am
Tony Stuart

That Golriz Ghahraman eh. On the day that Chloe Swarbrick had a bleat about the “toxic” nature of Parliament, her benchmate Golriz tweeted this:

Golriz Ghahraman
@golrizghahraman
Level 1:
Disappointed but unsurprised at National resorting to the politics of division in its new border policy, showing a complete lack of regard for Kiwis overseas, and assuming our people even have access to testing (this, after they called for totally open borders weeks ago!?)
3:22 PM · Aug 20, 2020

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1296286465165418496

This is an outright lie from Ms Ghahraman. National has NEVER called for “totally open borders” in the wake of the Covid-19 pandemic. And in fact National, through Simon Bridges, was calling for tighter border control at least three weeks before the Ardern government locked the border down in March.

Ghahraman has obfuscated, and skated around the truth on a number of occasions since elected to Parliament. However she needs to be called out on this complete and outright lie, which had it been uttered by a National MP, would have provoked cries of “Dirty politics!” from the Left.
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August 21, 2020 8:09am
- G152
  
  What???
  A small party politician lied?????
  Pretty much par for the course
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    But, but…the Greens have always claimed to be the “party of principle”…
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:39am
    - sooty
      
      Yep their principles, that change like the wind!
      
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      August 21, 2020 8:49am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes about time that ‘income over $70k is taxed at 33%’ was increased to say income over $120k as that tax rate was brought in back around 2009 I think when $70k used to be an ok income.
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:12am
- oldpark
  
  Tony Stuart it is time to revisit Golriz Ghahraman track record as a complete fraud as a Human Rights Advocate. Check out Kiwiblog November 28 2017 what an abomination and a disgrace to think that that type of “Greenie” hypocrite is lurking in NZ Politics and is making judgement calls on the National Party .
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:30am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Can this 2017 article on GG be reposted???
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      There are so many, but here are a couple:
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/ghahraman_defended_not_prosecuted_the_genociders_in_rwanda.html
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/garner_on_ghahraman.html
      
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      August 21, 2020 8:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Defended’ genociders is rarely mentioned. She likes her followers to think she was an important prosecutor, and they play along
        
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        August 21, 2020 9:13am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Ghahraman has never been elected to Parliament, she’s a scum list MP who got in because most of the outright lies on her ~~hagiography~~ cv had not yet been exposed.
  
  Nasty, vapid and stupid, never a good combination but surprisingly common in the Greens.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:52am
  - Stu2
    
    Err – if you are a list MP your CV is irrelevant
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:22am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Your cv’s always relevant if you’re looking for work, so I understand your confusion.
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:14pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    LT: “Nuanced but accurate” = deserves upticks. 🙂
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:23am
  - Flossie
    
    There’s something really really wrong that we can have people voted in by NOBODY as government ministers. Sure I understand mmp but these list MPs are not answerable to anybody, and the problem is even if you do love the party they’re supposedly representing you can’t get rid of the bad ones without getting rid of them all.
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:06am
  - Fletch
    
    And she even had the gall to write a book about herself. That’s liberals all over though. Too much self-importance.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:31am
- Frank the tank
  
  Standard fare from ‘legally brunette’.
  
  I’m fairly sure our Persian princess is a deliberate troll and like, Trump doesn’t really believe half of what she is saying.
  
  In fairness at least she get’s headlines unlike what his name, you know the male co-leader of the Greens? I can’t remember his name…..
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:15am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    My understanding from observation is that there are no male co-leaders of the Greens. For any value of ‘male’.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:15am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Touche
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

Website for National’s Auckland Central candidate Emma Mellow goes live. Makes strong pitch for Ponsonby male vote. Two ticks Bloo!
😛

https://twitter.com/emmamellow/status/1296358442030923778
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August 21, 2020 8:09am
Happychappy

Any guesses on what subjects and orchestrated lies will be told by the Prime Minister and her incompetent Ministers about National or COVID 19 before they dump a load shit for the media and the opposition to catch up on over the weekend.
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August 21, 2020 8:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yep.
  
  The mention that the number people taking their own lives has decreased.
  
  This will come from the podium of truth and I, for one, believe everything that is uttered.
  
  Maybe I don’t, this lying thing is easy . . .
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:41am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    The quote I heard was more selective, numbers are down by about 25% in the 15-19 and 20 to 24 cohorts.
    
    Total number for year down 30 to “only” 654.
    
    Covid effect yet to be fully felt. Though the increase in wrinklies topping themselves is worrying – scared to death i imagine.
    
    Hmm. To be fair, this is overall pretty positive. I really hope it represents a trend. I did fear much worse.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Around 4pm is the usual time. Just so it can not be fact checked, but will make play school TV1 news for the addicted morons to lap up
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:15am
KevO'Brien

We can’t sensibly do much more at points of entry than a quick thermal check. Those with elevated temperatures could be noted and advised. The testing regime does not have adequate certainty. It gives false hope to wanna controllers. Without certainty it’s only going to let the false negatives in to do their thing. Short of three month quarantine stays in the Chathams this ultra border testing is pointless.

How many years can this up and down lockdown prevail? We need to adapt.
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August 21, 2020 8:13am
- artemisia
  
  Israelis are testing spit and breath tests that give very fast results, pretty much instant.
  
  FDA has approved a spit test already, not as fast (a few hours for results) but a whole lot faster than we currently use.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:37am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Just looked that up, here is an article. https://www.israel21c.org/israeli-1-second-covid-spit-test-shown-95-accurate-so-far/
    
    Very useful if it works. National need to look into this.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:31am
- Brian McDonald
  
  We are adapting apart from some folks on KB who thrive on being negative and long distant attack against ‘leeches’ and other figments of the imagination.
  There has been one f up after another, I get that. Just learn from it and look forward to prevent further errors. Some of the border stuff has been like a kindergarten sandbox, but the fact is it has 1000s of moving parts and needs to be made idiot proof.
  On the other hand lots of smart people are doing their jobs properly and we have a foothold – the first thing you need in a scrap, after which you keep identifying risk situations and fool proof them.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:50am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    You are right Brian. It’s too hard for Labour.
    
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    August 21, 2020 8:55am
  - Overworked
    
    No, it’s not in fact that difficult. Individuals doing their jobs is a bit of a red herring – the problem is the lack of oversight by someone who can think in terms of which functions are needed, the execution of those functions, and most importantly the checks needed to ensure everything is running as intended.
    
    Hiring a competent project manager or IT design manager and giving them authority to do their jobs would have prevented this entire inept spectacle.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:32pm
    - Overworked
      
      Bloomfield can’t be expected to do everything though he has certainly tried. Air Commodore Webb has been involved early in the piece but seems to have had not a lot of impact. Maybe logistics isn’t an air force thing? With the exception to some extent of Chris Hipkins, ministerial involvement seems to have consisted of ass-covering, and the PM, bless her, seems to think her wishes will be automatically implemented, perhaps by fairies.
      
      Most of NZ is mad as hell about the unbelievable incompetence that has led to our current situation. The only way the government can recover from this is for Brian Roche and Heather Simpson to put politics aside and sort it. Heather Simpson is closely affiliated to Labour, and Roche’s comments so far don’t give much confidence of that happening.
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:40pm
- Nickc2
  
  Lockdowns will be with us so long as we have a Labour led government. Not all lockdowns will be COVID-19 related.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Global Greening…… in Dunedin, 23 Million Years ago…

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/20/fossil-leaves-show-high-atmospheric-carbon-spurred-ancient-global-greening/

https://www.egu.eu/news/680/fossil-leaves-point-to-global-greening-in-the-coming-decades/
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August 21, 2020 8:15am
- cmm
  
  The CO2 levels in the atmosphere are so low that the plants are, quite literally, starving.
  
  And when they are starving like this they need to open up their stomata more to try get more CO2. Unfortunately opening up stomata means the plant loses water faster,
  
  With more CO2 the plant can shut more of the stomata and therefore preserve water and therefore plants can grow where they could not before (ie. very dry areas).
  
  Greening needs carbon, but most of that is stuck under the ground.
  
  As Gaia’s servants it is our duty to dig up that carbon and feed our photosynthesising brothers and sisters that we share this planet with.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Drill baby, drill. Dig baby, dig.
    Fuck the Greens
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:19am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “Eff the Greens?”
      
      Not even with a rented instrument…
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:24am
Local Miller

And here we now have a Freedom of Information request showing that only 17 of the 22 deaths tested positive for Covid19.
https://m.facebook.com/reopennzprotests/photos/a.106007051118210/153411589711089/?type=3
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August 21, 2020 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Is this genuine?
  
  I find it very hard to believe that only 50% had underlying health conditions.
  
  Half of the people that died were in a Chch rest home – not exactly in the prime of life. I’ll bet they all had underlying health conditions.
  
  Another on the West Coast had emphysema.
  
  Were the rest all healthy bouncy people planning for their next mountaineering trip?
  
  I doubt it.
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:42am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    To be fair, old age is both a comorbidity and immunosuppressing.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:25am
  - Ruahine
    
    Here is a direct link. Was posted yesterday.
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/information-release/h202005103.pdf
    
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    August 21, 2020 10:04am
    - cmm
      
      Thanks
      
      I wonder how an “underlying condition” differs from a comorbidity. I would be very surprised if only 8 had underlying conditions. By that age most people have some underlying conditions (heart issues, obesity, diabetes, cancer etc).
      
      After all, most people 70 and over are on at least 4 different medications. If you are taking long term medications then you have some condition. Perhaps not a fatal condition, but a health issue none the less and all meds put extra strain on your organs (esp kidneys and liver).
      
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      August 21, 2020 3:52pm
oldpark

Heard the defacto Politician Ashley Bloomfield moonlighting from his $500k plus Public Servant job argue against Nationals’ Plan to swab NZs before getting on a plane to NZ . When they become the genuine NZ Government at the October General Election.
Up to now the rules were NZs Public Servants keep their Political views to themselves .
Seems not any more Bloomfield has joined Control Freak Auntie Cindy Commie Arderns’ Gang of liars and we know best what is good for NZs Five Million. With their complete cockup with what to do any which way to prevent the Coronavirus arriving in NZ . Sounds like the wee Puppeteer Bloomfield Arderns sycophant is pissed off he didn’t think of that .Especially everything else he has recommended up to now has been a disaster.Not a good result for Bloomfield and Arderns “Organizational Clusterfuck”.
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August 21, 2020 8:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  If anyone thinks St Ash is anything but political they must have their ‘fear’ blinkers on.
  
  It will be interesting when H2 is let out of her muzzle. Probably the only one on the left that doesn’t give 2 shits about St Ash’s position to the right of our esteemed leader.
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:23am
G152

I see fake news trying its best to pretend that they are little innocents and its all the internet that’s fake news…
In the meantime their circulation figures are out the door and days when 48 page real papers are now 20 page tabloids.
And the radio/TV media…
Anti white anti right and anything anti Trump.
Time to shut them down
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August 21, 2020 8:25am
- Nickc2
  
  Boycott their remaining advertisers!
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:34am
Maggie Pie

A twitter bestie from Manhattan tweets….

Thanx to De Blasio and Cuomo, New York City is a sh*thole!

Shootings & crime soar as prisons are being emptied.

Riots and trash everywhere.

Open-air drug use, masturbation, urination.

A mayor who has caved to BLM.

People are fleeing in droves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVDWbQtbN7U
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August 21, 2020 8:27am
- David George
  
  Thanks Maggie, mentioned in the clip was the unequivocal endorsement of President Trump by the NYPD unions.
  Here’s the presentation with some great speeches by Trump, Rudi Giuliani and, in particular, the passionate address by Pat Lynch, the NYPD union president.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOxlsssGbk
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    How soon these people especially the Democrats forget Sept 11.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Problem is just voting for Trump isn’t enough. NY needs pro law state governor and mayor. Until then, if people are voting for same old woke shit, they will get more riots, umm ‘peaceful protests’.
    
    People totally overestimate what Trump can actually do.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:37am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Perhaps, but without Trump in office, things get 100s of times worse for the entire country.
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:19pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps when Cindy becomes captain of the team of 7.8 billion, she can relocate the UN to Awesum Aotearoa.
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:41am
Yvette

Something that goes someway in explaining how Ardern can be top dog

Celebrity cat called Mittens in the running to be New Zealander of the year. Also making the cut are the prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, her figurative “team of five million” for their adherence to lockdown rules, and the director-general of health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield – Guardian
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August 21, 2020 8:28am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Mittens for PM! Can’t be any worse.
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:20pm
Paulus

How many more Labour Party Consultants are to be rolled in to sort out the Virus major SNAFU.
Now we have new supremeos Heather Simpson (H2) and Bryan Roche (Accountant, PWC).
Other than costing a fortune what can they offer that the dozen or so Ministers and Associates cannot or have not already done.
Whose turn will it be next week ?
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August 21, 2020 8:30am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  As a bene, I hope it is mine.
  
  I have checked my diary and find that I am available.
  
  Please call on 0800wearesofucked
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:46am
- Frank the tank
  
  Standard Ardern move – if you’re in trouble the outsource to trusted ‘experts’. This really reads “fuck we have no idea – let’s get in someone that will tell us the truth”
  
  Nothing against either though including H2 – there will be plenty of eunuchs in the MOH when shes done with them…
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and the expertise, experience & qualifications of these two (heavy hitters) in this area is what?
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:24am
  - Frank the tank
    
    With H2 its testicle collecting – whenever she’s involved there is invariably going to be a smack down of sorts
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:37pm
I remember when

BLM: When did anything that sounded like a departmental abbreviation turn out to be the source of all that is right and good!
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August 21, 2020 8:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  NZLP is an excellent example of failure to the team of 5 million.
  
  Lets keep movin’ our grubby influence on your grandchildren’s futures
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:55am
Simon

Its time for Ardern to get a neck tattoo. A Maori design by preference. That will make things right.
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August 21, 2020 8:32am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A moko! A tribute to Mittens!
  
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  August 21, 2020 8:56am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    More like a tribute to Millie E…
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:26am
Old White Loser

The headline suicide-rates-in-new-zealand-drop-lowest-three-years? is a bit misleading.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/suicide-rates-in-new-zealand-drop-lowest-three-years?fbclid=IwAR1ifb4oUEAOY5jn5UJnlxkjsbk_BuO38Hr1oYhnx9CR3Wi6DWYlFnia_24

Yes numbers are down by 31 for year on year but numbers for under 24 years old are down by 57 so numbers for over 24 years old must be up by 26.

It would be helpful to see the month by month numbers to see if there is a up or down trend? and or a change from pre covid to now?
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August 21, 2020 8:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Anyone got a link to the Chief Coroner’s report for Suicide figures 2019-2020?
  I can’t find anything on The Dept of Justice site.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:45am
  - RightNow
    
    https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/2020-Annual-Provisional-Suicide-Statistics.pdf
    
    The graph on Page 3 shows a roughly 20% increase in suicides under this government. While there may be a slight decrease from last year, it’s still higher than any time during the last National government.
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  Because suicide cases are shrouded in secrecy a district nurse once told me to read between the lines in death notices. Often ‘suddenly’ or ‘as a result of an accident’ can mean suicide, especially with a young person.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:49am
- RightNow
  
  Lowest in 3 years because the last 3 years have been the highest since 2000.
  https://coronialservices.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/2020-Annual-Provisional-Suicide-Statistics.pdf
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:58am
- MCos
  
  Numbers for old people are up.
  Expect a further increase when David Seymour’s end of life Bill is passed.
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:00am
- Classic Liberal
  
  So maybe young people have been at home more during lockdown w more parental supervision and support.
  
  Older people losing businesses and hope?
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:06pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Like all good stats. You can interpret them in so many ways.
  
  One could say since labour/COL have taken over government, suicides up CURRENTLY 8% higher than under the previous government.
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:44pm
I remember when

Newsroom: “How the Government botched border testing”.
Too late chaps. Who reads anything after they have already learned the details days ago.
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August 21, 2020 8:36am
- Albert_Ross
  
  And then we bemoan why nobody is doing proper journalism any more?!
  
  This is why. This was an excellent, carefully researched and analysed piece, greatly resembling proper journalism. This sort of work takes the kind of time, effort and thought that most journalists don’t bother with these days.
  
  If this is the kind of dismissive, careless response we’re going to reward that effort with, what right have we to be surprised and dismayed when journalists decide that they might as well simply copy-paste the Government’s latest press release or an MP’s latest tweet? Requires no thought and no effort, offers no insight and adds no value, but at least it can’t be criticised as something nobody’s going to read because they know it all already.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:15am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    “Batman! The Virtue Signal is lit up in the sky over KB!”
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:27am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      A quip which could, with equal merit and applicability, be put under any post on any blog, any facebook item, any tweet.
      
      Everybody who posts does so with the intention of presenting themselves in their preferred way. Some of us want to represent ourselves as thoughtful, others as witty, others as badass, others as urbane, etc; and we all have the right to form opinions of others based on their self-presentations.
      
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      August 21, 2020 10:28am
- theoldbloke
  
  The downfall of newsroom is getting quotes from Sususi about things she knoows nothing about.
  They are quotting her on Health governance and response to outbreaks.
  AND they want readers to think they are the source of truth and facts.
  
  God give me strength (andI am an an aethiest)!!!
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:57pm
Simon

Comrades the cluster has been contained!

And by “cluster contained” means that everyone in Cabinet has got a special team of trained handlers to watch and vet their every move.

Twyford, Davies, Jackson et al are now contained.
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August 21, 2020 8:44am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  ‘Normalised’ is the cynical term the Communists used when things were brought back under the iron fist:
  
  “The situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia has been normalised”
  
  – Brezhnev, 1968
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:26pm
I remember when

Susan Hassall Hamilton Boys’ High Schools principal.
After there was criticism of 1000 spectators at their game against Tauranga.
“Schools are a bubble so they are exempt from the rules of 100 maximum number. And under the Ministry of Health it says that,” she said.
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August 21, 2020 8:56am
Maggie Pie

A business associate of my partner residing in Nevada tweets ….

“Kamala Harris has come so far in such a short time.
No idea how she has done it.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef1SI0AWAAE_zUg?format=jpg&name=small
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August 21, 2020 9:14am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  That’s gotta burn… and not just via carpet burn…
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And this girl is pure SASS!! 😛
    
    “JOE BLOW 2020”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9jXMJM2Us0
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:51am
    - oldfella
      
      Someone probably told Kamala to BLOW JOE and that’s how she got the job. Wouldn’t be the first time with that woman.
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:03am
- cmm
  
  Stop being so mean.
  
  Ya got to admit she’s heading for greatness.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:45am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    We see what you did there…
    
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    August 21, 2020 9:54am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      😛
      
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      August 21, 2020 9:59am
Engelbert Humperdink

In other news… GNasher still in Witless Protection…

Let us hope for his sake the rumors are completely untrue, baseless, without foundation, and simply faketitious. Yessireebob, that’s the ticket.
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August 21, 2020 9:19am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  yeah he seems to have dropped off the planet
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:47am
- mark15
  
  Come on don’t leave me hanging…
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:10pm
RJ

Just finished watching eco challenge Fiji. If you are into sports and have access to amazon it is a good show. My god Team New Zealand are amazing
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August 21, 2020 9:25am
Yvette

An iwi-led checkpoint in the Far North will be in place today due to concerns from the community that too many vehicles have been travelling into the region …
An iwi-led checkpoint in the Far North will be in place today due to concerns from the community that too many vehicles have been travelling into the region.
“- if we get this wrong, our old people will die.”
Harawira said police had been notified.
In a statement, police deputy commissioner Wally Haumaha said the expectation was that Covid checkpoints would not operate in areas at alert level 2.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424071/iwi-say-they-will-reopen-northland-checkpoints-near-kawakawa

Is Harawira reflecting a genuine concern, or – since Auckland moved to Alert Level 3 at noon on Wednesday 12 August 2020 – this move, 9 days later, is a little slow coming in fact as Auckland’s Level may be about to change down again.

And is Harawira’s action a little more pointed this time, when it seems his “check-point” may reject or turn back people that the Police have already approved passage?
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August 21, 2020 9:27am
- cmm
  
  Taxpayers Union should also put up a roadblock.
  
  We’re concerned about too much tax dollars heading into the region.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:46am
- Jack5
  
  Brown vigilantes.
  
  What would it have been like if Haumaha had become Police Commissioner, the head honcho?
  
  Get the guns off the gangs, Wally.
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:13am
Dave Mann

Hi guys:
Last night I attended a meeting of the Business Trestle Table’s Covid-19 resource and strategy working committee, held in Merv’s workshop.
The chairman asked me to convey the policy highlights, which can be summarised as:
– don’t give into fear
– grow some balls
– stand up straight
– harden the fuck up and learn to live with it
Cheers
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August 21, 2020 9:29am
- cmm
  
  And…
  
  – Stop being pussies, our grandparents had to put up with the Spanish Flu which killed 300x as many people. They just got on with it.
  
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  August 21, 2020 9:48am
  - MCos
    
    More like 40x for your grandparents.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:01am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      The Nazis killed more of my clan than the flu did.
      
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      August 21, 2020 11:22am
    - cmm
      
      I see what you’re trying to do there – be a knob head about my not having NZ grandparents.
      
      Well if you really must know, 3 were born in South Africa and the fourth in Canada.
      
      The 300x is based on worldwide averages which applies to all of us.
      
      For NZ it is currently at about 2200x (9000 per million for Spanish Flu and 4 per million for CV19). Yes, over 2000 times as bad and still less than 1% of the population died.
      
      South Africa fared much, much worse in the Spanish Flu than NZ did- 60,000 deaths per million. Yes, 6% of the population died. With CV19 they’re currently running at about 200 deaths per million, so 300x for my South African grandparents.
      
      For my Canadian grandparent: Canada also had approx 9000 deaths per million in the Spanish Flu and approx 240 per million for CV19, so approx 37x as bad.
      
      So averaging out that gives approx 234x as bad for my grandparents.
      
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      August 21, 2020 3:16pm
ds

How do we rate New Zealands covid-19 response compared to the rest of the world.
We can’t include China as we don’t believe any of their statistics.

I put us in second place behind Taiwan.
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August 21, 2020 9:50am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Funny man!
  
  I put the NZ Government’s covid-19 response in second last place internationally – although admittedly I can’t name the country that has done worse.
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:10am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    North Korea is the best.
    
    10:00 a case!
    
    10:30 shots ring out
    
    10:35 no cases!
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:23am
- Bobba Fret
  
  We had a huge advantage right from the start. NZ is an island at the bottom of the world. We had time and knew what was coming and still managed to drop the ball. Our success has been due to our isolation as an island and good luck.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:21am
  - Blackface Twin Reverb
    
    And the fact that feck all people actually live here.
    what do you think the outcome would be if St Cindy the Just had to look after a team of 350 million???
    
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    August 21, 2020 2:18pm
- cmm
  
  There are two very different things:
  1) Rating how we hare done.
  2) Rating the response.
  
  How well we have done is not just dependent on the response. A very large part, especially in an island, is based on luck.
  
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  August 21, 2020 3:36pm
niggly

So the National Party released its plans to secure NZ’s borders yesterday.

Listened to Radio NZ Morning Report and not a mention of it!

Ok, perhaps “National’s plan was rather good” and RNZ couldn’t find anyone to criticise it (hence no story)?

Or ok, perhaps it wasn’t really “newsworthy” so RNZ wanted to concentrate on other stories.

But wait what’s this, their leading (hence most important story, after the 7am news) was “Covid-19: Weekly border worker testing would double chances of detecting before community spread”

Wait a minute! That research fits hand-in-glove with National’s policy announcement yesterday … and that research also shows up Labour’s lack of competent governance as they have not wanted to test border workers weekly (heh although expect Jacinda to announce a 180 about turn later today, I suppose).

So why no follow on story about National wanting to better protect border staff and therefore NZer’s (and no criticism of Labour for not even or wanting to do so)?

According to the researchers weekly testing of border workers “would double the chance of Covid-19 being detected before it could spread into the community” (in RNZ’s own words). This is actually very important!

Is this another example of Gerry’s media bias? You know, the one where some of them went feral on him for daring to even suggest it?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018760471/covid-19-weekly-border-worker-testing-would-double-chances-of-detecting-before-community-spread
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August 21, 2020 9:51am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Heck Niggly, you be careful or Albert_Ross will tell you off.
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:12am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I don’t know why you think so. I entirely agree that journalists should seek to present a full picture, by collecting all the relevant information, making connections, identifying where there are disconnects between what our leadership says and what it does, with evidence; and I am dismayed that so few of them make any attempt to do that. I had thought that to be a pretty mainstream view around here.
    
    Which is why I am puzzled by the apparent popularity of I remember when’s post above, in which he casually and contemptuously dismisses a detailed and thoughtful report in which Newsroom journalists do precisely what we keep berating the media for not doing; and for pointing out that inconsistency, I am labelled virtue signaller. Why? What nuance, what subtlety in kiwibloggers’ thinking am I missing?
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:28pm
    - gravedodger
      
      @ Albert_Ross, simple question really: last night as an intro to an item on State TV relating to Ms Collins leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition, Her nickname from historical times when as Minister of Transport introducing a National Policy to thwart the socially troubling Boy Racers, “Crusher”, was used.
      Can anyone recall an incident where Ms Ardern was similarly treated, lord knows there are sobriquets aplenty out there with far more current relevance for Dear Leader. eg, perhaps the one who in her sign off speech to Socialist Youth International after her year as president managed around 14 Comrade references in under 15 minutes?
      
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      August 21, 2020 2:16pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Again – I completely agree that our media, for the most part, are not doing their job and are guilty of laziness, unprofessionalism and a wholly shameful level of sycophancy towards the Prime Minister and unwarranted hostility towards the Opposition. I am genuinely puzzled as to how anybody could have got a different impression.
        
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        August 21, 2020 4:36pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I agree about the lack of media criticism (apart maybe from another one of Stuff’s apparent experts saying it wouldn’t do anything).
  
  If it can’t be blatantly criticized just because it’s National’s, then don’t mention it at all…
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:26am
- MCos
  
  Here you go
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/423980/judith-collins-unveils-national-s-border-security-policy
  
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  August 21, 2020 7:14pm
Yvette

Although his opinion is three years old, comedian Frankie Boyle stands to be right, either way, as applied to Trump’s assertion New Zealand had a “big surge” on a day we reported 5 new cases and the US 46,500 cases.

If Trump’s comment is in ignorance or reflects his maths skills, Boyle’s remark would seem apt – “All presidents come into office with something to prove, it’s just rarely their sanity”

And if Trump’s remark is with malice, there’s Boyle’s other observation: “Donald Trump , a man so obnoxious that karma may see him reincarnated as himself”
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August 21, 2020 9:54am
cmm

So let me get this straight.

The restaurants want Cindy to make everything more expensive by increasing tax, then give them $20 per plate to give pretend food to rich people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122507248/restaurants-want-government-to-spend-27m-subsidising-meals
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August 21, 2020 9:58am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  thats the most retarded thing ive ever seen.
  
  20bux will likely only pay for a drink to go with your meal, maybe 2 drinks if your in a shithole.
  
  Socialism for restaurants, maybe cook a decent feed for a realistic price and ppl might eat out more.
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:09am
- dave_c_
  
  Interesting isn’t it – Follow the bloody leader stuff – this is being rolled out already in the UK, where the business sells the product for 50 % of the price, and government top up the other 50 % (albeit that there is a limit in value for this)
  
  Get people parting with their money at any cost !
  
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  August 21, 2020 10:21am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, and other products end up costing twice as much so that the tax can go pay for the subsidies.
    
    You might end up “only” paying $10 for a lamb shank bone, single wilted a silverbeet leaf and tablespoon of pomegranate chutney but you’ll end up paying an extra $20 on your grocery bill to make up the difference.
    
    Subsidies do not make things cheaper. You just pay for them differently (and they go though the overnment inefficiency machine, so you end up spending more).
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:00pm
Inandout

This Dem convention has been canned by most of the media as boring and ponderous, however Kamala has said something:
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f3e9e004dec887547a34e4a
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August 21, 2020 9:59am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  It is the most hollow, fake and boring thing ever broadcast. The “enthusiasm” exhibited is ridiculously astroturfed. Watching this utter car crash of a convention is like being a fly on the wall at any cringe corporate conference that nobody sincerely wants to attend.
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:34pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  [Mod: Congratulations, your offensive sexual comment against a woman earns you a fortnight off]
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:31pm
Inandout

New York is dead and possibly Auckland CBD is heading the same way. Very sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taLpzpWtaJw
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August 21, 2020 10:01am
- lifesgood
  
  It isn’t too long ago that New York was priding itself on how they had cleaned the city up. What a crying shame. It just goes to show how much damage woke lefties can inflict. Be afraid, New Zealand, be very afraid.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:21am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, I read it this morning. NO one is coming back.
  
  https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nyc-dead-forever-heres-why-james-altucher/
  
  Part of the worry for Trump is that liberals are all fleeing liberal cities (Covid, rioting in Dem-led cities etc) and going to Red states. Unfortunately, this will turn Red states purple or blue as those same liberals vote for the Democrat policies that ruined the states they just left.
  
  Soon there won’t be anywhere left to run…
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:38am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Interesting. This paragraph says it all though, James Altuchet is a woke retard who helped make this happen:
    
    “ And then in June, during rioting and looting a second wave of NYC-ers (this time me) left. I have kids. Nothing was wrong with the protests but I was a little nervous when I saw videos of rioters after curfew trying to break into my building. ”
    
    Nothing was wrong with the protests? Ok then, suck it up, rioting, looting ‘protests’ that you support.
    
    And now watch those woke leftards destroy the cities they have moved to.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:28pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Certainly makes one think why we try and shove more and more apartments into Auckland. Many people might prefer to live in a quiet suburb or other town and work online. Who wants to live in a little hutch in an increasingly dangerous and unpleasant city?
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:44pm
Surely Knott

Dear public spokespeople and journos. Please stop saying “we are the envy of the world.” It’s bloody embarrassing. Where is the humility? It’s a virus not a sports match. We are also running an elimination strategy that leaves us with no immunity – that means at a later date the virus could rip through like wildfire. So please show some humility. Thx
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August 21, 2020 10:01am
- lifesgood
  
  We are no longer (if we ever were and I very much doubt it) the envy of the world. There are plenty of articles in overseas media scoffing at us now. Pride always comes before a fall.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:20am
  - Batman
    
    What articles are those?
    
    Our active cases is around 100.
    
    Total cases just under 1700.
    
    Still 22 deaths total.
    
    Anyone trying to scoff at us should probably be reporting from utopia where there are no recorded cases.
    
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    August 21, 2020 11:27am
    - Surely Knott
      
      While anyone trying to scoff could also report from Western Australia, South Australia or Queensland. Hello Queensland. Population 5mill. 1093 cases. 1083 recovered. 6 dead. So low cases and low death rate per case.
      
      Or Iceland is looking good. 2000 cases. 10 deaths. And their border control is one test on arrival, second test in 4 days. And then you are out on day 5. They are advertising for tourists. So very good medical care. Almost double our cases and half the deaths.
      
      But if you boast you are the best and the envy of the world then you can probably expect some scoffing if it all goes wrong.
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:21pm
Jack5

More PC-ese. Michael Henderson reports in the Telegraph:

This linguistic lunacy has even infected Test Match Special, the radio programme that has been serving cricket-lovers since 1957. Two of the new female commentators, Isa Guha and Ebony Rainford-Brent, both a bit wet behind the ears, refer to batsmen as “batters” (“ba’ers”, actually, because they suffer from chronic glotalitis). The word is non-specific, and therefore won’t put female listeners off.

I presume the terms “groundsman,” and “Jack” for a No. 11, are out.

What are they going to do, though, about “maiden over” and “jock strap”?
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August 21, 2020 10:10am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  There was a mixed cricket match of top players and a female was batting and the slip asked : What is the female version of a cricket box. Answer A Man Hole cover.
  
  Evryone cracked up
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:18am
- Groggy
  
  In cricket it is known as a box
  
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  August 21, 2020 4:00pm
ex-golfer

When is someone going to ask Jaspinder what her policy on Ihumateo is?
In order to make an informed choice at the ballot we need to know what she has agreed will happen on 18 October.
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August 21, 2020 10:19am
niggly

Noticed Newshub promoted a story on the Project last night about Sweden’s efforts to stamp out covid-19. I thought I’d check it out, seeing Sweden has a different covid response to NZ, and thought perhaps the Project lefties were now open to listening to other ideas?

How wrong was I! I was staggered to see host Jesse Mulligan immediately rubbish Sweden’s covid response by (I think) calling it “bollocks” in his intro! How flippin’ unprofessional I thought. But that was nothing, the Project then wheeled out a number of critics (including the well know Auckland microbiologist personality and Jacinda fan club president Ms Siouxie Wiles).

Not one counter viewpoint from eg the “Plan B” scientists or anyone else, just lots and of anti-Sweden viewpoints. No mention either from these people on how NZ is to get out of international isolation if we remain on the track they are advocating.

I thought it was seriously poor form of The Project. It is misleading NZer’s by pushing one view point only and rubbishing/suppressing counter viewpoints (pretty much as “fake news”).

Now I know the Project isn’t “serious hard news” and one should expect soft and lightweight topics on such a show. But hello TV3, this is prime time viewing and it was a story mascarading as “serious news”. Just appalling really.

Now if that wasn’t enough, let’s examine The Project’s subtle messaging. That Project story is in essence, backing 100% Labour’s covid messaging.

I ask myself this – let’s put the shoe on the other foot to see if the “problem is me or is really them”. If a 7pm prime time “news” programme, during National’s term in office eg during the GFC crisis, in which the host said something like “any counter views to the (National) government’s GFC response was “bollocks”, I would actually feel uncomfortable about that blatant partisanship.

For lefties reading this and don’t believe me, imagine if the likes of (their “enemies”) rightie Mike Hosking or centrist Sean Plunket said that! They would go absolutely feral, demanding their resignations because of their “impartiality”!

(Fact is, Mike Hosking’s and Sean Plunket’s professionalism and credibility is such that they would never dare be so openly biased in the first place)!

Anyway back to the Project story last night, is this another example of Gerry’s musing on media bias?

https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/the-project/season-2020%3A-thursday-20-august-2020-/S1173-784/M39871-777
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August 21, 2020 10:21am
- Swifty
  
  Good on you niggly.
  
  I see, read and hear this sort of bias all the time. As a private organisation they’re free to do it of course, but now thanks to the CoL they’re are in receipt of taxpayer money and which has now completely perverted the relationship between the free press and the state.
  
  It’s a damnable development in NZ and there’s been barely a whisper about it.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:14am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I believe Jesse Mulligan is good friends with Clark Gayford. Enough said.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:17am
  - Ruahine
    
    Part of the Lefty Media Clique from way back. Ardern included.
    
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    August 21, 2020 1:32pm
- Old White Loser
  
  We can fix this by boycotting companies that advertise during thsi time slot.
  
  This will either cancel the show or change its content.
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:25pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  I was watching Wyatt Earp clean up Wichita at the time.
  
  Is Mulligan the fat, “sports” bloke?
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:08pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  They had Winston on there the other day and were talking about increasing term length from 3 months to 4. Every single MP they asked were for it. There were 6 or 7 of them. Nick Smith was the only one that wasn’t in Government. What a biased joke.
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jesse Mulligan reckons We’re better than Sweden and we’re officially better than every country on Earth.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/jesse-mulligan-it-s-bollocks-to-say-new-zealand-should-adopt-sweden-s-covid-19-response.html
  
  He seems to be unaware of Taiwan’s record or considered how our economy has been munted.
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:08pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Mulligan is not the brightest light on the street.
    
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    August 21, 2020 2:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Don’t forget, Mulligan’s real job is a comedian. It used to be only sometimes his real job got the better of him but now, it seems to have taken over completely.
      
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      August 21, 2020 2:34pm
  - cmm
    
    His personal economy is doing fine.
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:04pm
mark15

2+2=4.
A spade is a spade.
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August 21, 2020 10:43am
tom hunter

I’m calling it. It’s The Gumby Government (as performed by Monty Python.
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August 21, 2020 10:46am
Maggie Pie

Wonder whats happened to ‘Morrissey’ ?

Asking for a friend.
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August 21, 2020 10:47am
- Gravelroad
  
  Morrissey Breen?
  Not to worry Maggie – I see mikenmild has reappeared and also an incarnation of Stephieboy.
  Can Morrissey be far behind?
  Hopefully all three won’t be able to contain their disdain for commenters here and will shuffle off again – back to some form of Marxist utopia where they are always right………
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thats the one! I always found him quite entertaining.
    He’d often plagiarize my Goat memes.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:27pm
    - BAM
      
      He posts under a new alias.
      Think he goes by the name of Maggie Pie.
      
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      August 21, 2020 8:10pm
SB2

Extradoinary post yesterday in respect of Almond milk trying to say that the Cultivation of Almonds uses up a lot of water. True but much less so than dairying by a big margin

Additionally, there are plant based crops that use even less such as Oats and Soy. The former gaining in popularity in the US and elsewhere

Climate change: Which vegan milk is best?

“..Producing a glass of dairy milk every day for a year requires 650 sq m (7,000 sq ft) of land, the equivalent of two tennis courts and more than 10 times as much as the same amount of oat milk, according to this study.

Almond milk requires more water to produce than soy or oat milk. A single glass requires 74 litres (130 pints of water) – more than a typical shower. Rice milk is also comparatively thirsty, requiring 54 litres of water per glass.

However, it’s worth noting that both almond and rice milk still require less water to produce than the typical glass of dairy milk….”

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042
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August 21, 2020 10:54am
- RightNow
  
  SoyBoy2…
  A glass of water is defined as 200ml.
  Therefore:
  Almond milk – 370 litres water per litre.
  Rice milk – 270 litres water per litre.
  
  From https://sciblogs.co.nz/waiology/2012/05/24/how-much-water-does-it-take-to-produce-one-litre-of-milk/
  
  Dividing the estimated actual water use of all pasture irrigation (which would be a bit more than just dairy irrigation) by this number gives an upper bound of about 160 litres of water per litre of milk for New Zealand as a whole. This is on par with the AgResearch numbers above.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:56am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    Are you talking about total water needed or just irrigation?
    
    Or don’t you know.
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:28pm
    - rangitoto
      
      The almond and rice water use only counts irrigation doesn’t it?
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:59pm
    - RightNow
      
      LMAO. I know.
      You don’t know because?
      
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      August 21, 2020 1:00pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Rice milk, pfft! Until they include the important factors of protein and calcium into their calculations, this is pretty meaningless anyway.
    
    Reminds me of Baldrick and Blackadder in the bunker: just because it’s white and you put it into your tea, doesn’t mean it’s any use to your body.
    
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    August 21, 2020 1:00pm
  - SB2
    
    Right Now, wrong!
    
    Myth: Almond milk is using all the water.
    
    Source:
    
    The very first anti-almond milk article was apparently written by dietician Tamara Duker Freuman, a paid “media spokesman” and consultant with the dairy industry.
    
    Tactic:
    
    Lies of omission, whether intentional or not (omitting altogether the much higher water and ecological footprint of dairy and all animal agriculture)
    
    https://www.truthordrought.com/almond-milk-myths
    
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    August 21, 2020 3:04pm
- cmm
  
  Water is only a tiny part of the story.
  
  Almond cultivation is filthy as hell environmentally.
  
  Insects do not thrive like they do on NZ paddocks.
  
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  August 21, 2020 4:07pm
Maggie Pie

And does anyone else think that Marcus Lush spends 4 hours talking sh*t every night? He seems incapable of holding an intelligent conversation these days.

Just saying.
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August 21, 2020 11:26am
- graham
  
  Yup. Once every three months or so, I work a shift where I am driving home at the time he is on, and he’s almost impossible to listen to.
  
  He seems to do little to no research, and talks about the most inane topics.
  
  If you were kind, you would describe his show as “quirky”. If you were being a little more honest, you would describe it as a bloody shambles.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You are so right graham!
    We get the feeling he doesn’t really want to be there. But its like my partner sez, what else could he do in a Godforsaken hole like Bluff?
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:19pm
- Garbageman
  
  Does he still live down here in Bluff i haven’t had the pleasure of hearing him for years after i gave up listening to talkback for the sake of my sanity, he sure can woffle about irrelevant crap but both TV series he made were top notch imho
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:34pm
- cmm
  
  Marcus Lush spends 4 hours talking sh*t every night?
  
  All I’ve ever hear him say is “click”.
  
  Perhaps I’m doing it wrong.
  
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  August 21, 2020 4:09pm
cmm

Hell Pizza wants to starve plants to death

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12358061
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August 21, 2020 11:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  They sent us a Condom in the mail once.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:35am
  - mark15
    
    Beats sending it in a pizza!
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:13pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Especially if someone has 😛
      
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      August 21, 2020 12:32pm
- RightNow
  
  Wouldn’t want to be a franchise holder these days, their pizzas are over priced pretentious crap.
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:41am
Ian Boag

From this week’s Economist

Jamaica. Something like 10% of GDP from tourism. Bit like us. Closed borders etc. Same sorts of economic beating from covid …

On June 15th the government reopened airports, but that has not tempted tourists back. The tourism ministry reports 90,000 arrivals over the past two months, about 20% of normal. Many may be Jamaicans living abroad. The us State Department continues to advise Americans contemplating a trip to Jamaica to “reconsider”.

A lot of the smaller places (Anguilla, Grenada etc) are a bit like the Pacific island nations – little or no covid, little or no tourism, economically smashed.

Go figure.
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August 21, 2020 11:39am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  China lied, people died.
  
  The CCP encouraged international flights hard and early.
  
  The CCP forbade domestic travel from Wuhan and enforced it with armed enforcers and physical roadblocks.
  
  Wuhan’s ‘Ambassadors of Death’ will have killed millions by the time this settles. Directly and indirectly by crushing debts and absence of services and supplies in all fields of human endeavor.
  
  https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pandemic-death-wuhan-lab/2020/04/19/id/963586/
  
  https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6181529370001
  
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  August 21, 2020 11:58am
Fletch

Had to laugh last night while watching the news story on Judith announcing National’s policy about Kiwi’s getting tested overseas before they come back into the country. A reporter asks, what if they can’t afford a test (or get a test?) and Judith deadpans into the camera, “they can’t come back”.

Snapcut to Golriz in a mask saying how unfair that is, etc, etc,,,

About time someone had the guts to take a position like that.
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August 21, 2020 11:45am
I remember when

On “The Project” Jessie Mulligan also seemed to suggest that bars are closed.
I have not been able to find anything that confirms that is the case. They are/were restricted to 50 people and required to avoid queues when collecting or ordering drinks.
Their approach has been to try to maintain economic activity while controlling transmission.
The Government, and elimination supporters, seem to be becoming increasingly worried about Sweden again.
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August 21, 2020 12:03pm
Lee C

All these MSM articles and ‘opinion pieces’ by people who are clearly enthralled by or owe allegiance to Labour and Ardern miss a singular point. (as do many of their ilk who visit here).

Outside of the media-luvvie echo-chamber, Ardern is quietly despised, and Labour will lose the election.

Sir Cullen’s Sidekick will be along soon with a concern-troll, but Bro, it will make no difference.

They are going down.

And not in a good way.
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August 21, 2020 12:16pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I think you miss the point of
  Sir Cullen’s Sidekick
  is sarcasm and warning against complacency.
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:26pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    RWC: I agree but we need to remain vigilant! SCS occasionally drifts close to Stockholm Syndrome 🙂 an occupational hazard for he/she/xe…
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:35pm
RW Capitalist

Had to go to Napier for a job
Left 2am Wed,
arrived 5-30am
worked till 8pm
2nd day
5-30am till 6pm
3rd day drove home (today)
point one, this is the advantage of working for yourself….you choose how you do the job and get the work over locals.
Story 2
I drove around last night and decided Hell Pizza was dinner.
Stopped and went up to the door, they said because of covid19 level 2, I had to order on line and pick up and even though I was at the door talking to him, he would not take my order.
I went to Burger fuel…..they served me but I could not eat it there.
I took my food back to the motel, next door was a Thai restaurant, FULL with seated customers having a great time.
But implied by the govt. their is no confusion as to what level 2 means.
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August 21, 2020 12:23pm
- Batman
  
  Restaurants are seated with one server per table. Tables distanced 2m to reduce contact between customers.
  
  Takeaway places are too transient for that. People walk in and out every minute or so and deal with multiple staff.
  
  You can phone order too, if you really don’t like Hell’s online ordering ?
  
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  August 21, 2020 12:27pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    don’t like Hell’s online ordering
    don’t like Hell’s attitude……
    
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    August 21, 2020 12:37pm
    - Batman
      
      that’s fine. Take your business elsewhere.
      
      Less wait time for me 🙂
      
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      August 21, 2020 1:02pm
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Sounds like a social distancing win-win there.
        
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        August 21, 2020 1:29pm
      - Batman
        
        Precisely!
        
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        August 21, 2020 1:37pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        I did.
        
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        August 21, 2020 1:34pm
  - cmm
    
    But they also tell us you need to be within 2m of someone for 15 minutes to pick up enough of a dose.
    
    Nipping in to the take away to place an order then go back and pick up takes 1 or 2 minutes tops.
    
    It’s all just theatre.
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:14pm
RW Capitalist

I see they are arresting Bannon and one other for fraud,
Because they said 100% of money raised for a “wall charity” would be spent on the wall.
They took a few hundred thousand for themselves.
Out of $26 million.(say a total of $1mill 4%)
How much does the Salvation army take for “running costs”?( and other charities)
While technically they are correct, maybe they want to look and see how much money the Clinton Foundation actually spent on Haiti?
and by comparison how much it spent on the various Clinton political campaigns and Chelsea’s wedding?
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August 21, 2020 12:34pm
- Batman
  
  It’s fraud, you nonce.
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/steve-bannon-trump-adviser-arrested-fraud-200820134920664.html
  
  Bannon received more than $1m from the scheme through a non-profit organisation he controls, and used it “to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars” in personal expenses, the indictment alleges. Kolfage “covertly took for his personal use more than $350,000 in funds”.
  
  As for your classic conspiracy about the wedding, it’s a nice little fantasy tale:
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-foundation-paid-for-chelseas-wedding/
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:43pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    The rumor that the charitable foundation paid for Chelsea Clinton’s 2010 wedding at Haiti’s expense appears to be without merit.
    and the key word….”appears”…to who a blind monkey?
    And of the Clintons election campaigns???
    How much money actually went to Haiti of the BILLIONS in the fund.
    
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    August 21, 2020 1:50pm
    - Batman
      
      You clearly didn’t read down to the part where the foundation’s accounts are audited yearly etc.
      
      But no amount of fact will ever disprove your fevered desire for the Clinton foundation to be like the Trump Foundation and business.
      
      Go and look it up if you want to prove that there’s a fraud.
      
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      August 21, 2020 2:50pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        So, how much of foundations money went to Haiti?
        
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        August 21, 2020 4:19pm
    - cmm
      
      RW While the money might now have gone straight back to the Clintons themselves, they did do a lot of subcontracting to Hilary’s brother to provide services.
      
      I wonder if they asked for quotes and took the cheapest?
      
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      August 21, 2020 4:17pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        Haiti is still a pile of rubble, with foundation funding it could have been a luxury Island in the Caribbean.
        
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        August 21, 2020 4:21pm
- old skool reactionary
  
  Globalist elite are zeroing in all Trump supporters and shutting them down before the elections. If Trump loses expect him and all who supported them to be destroyed/imprisoned on trumped up charges and show trials.
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:47pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Bannon says it’s all a set up to prevent the wall being further developed. I guess peoples minds are made up already as to guilt depending on which side of politics they find themselves on. However, he has pled not guilty.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8648803/Steve-Bannon-appears-court-HANDCUFFS-pleads-not-guilty-25-million-wall-scam.html
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:06pm
    - MCos
      
      Bannon would say that, wouldn’t he, the thieving bastard.
      
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      August 21, 2020 7:26pm
      - Nickc2
        
        How can you say that, he hasn’t been tried yet? On your reckoning, Peters should be in jail, not electioneering.
        
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        August 21, 2020 8:09pm
Fletch

NZ Churches band together from wherever they are in lockdown to sing The Blessing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQPifs2kjo
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August 21, 2020 1:05pm
- Centrist
  
  Great song. It is also on YouTube from lots of other countries and in a variety of languages.
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:14pm
alex Masterley

Watching the 1pm Briefing with the PM and the DG of Health:
Some idle impressions.
What a scrofulous*, self important bunch the media who attend these breifing are.
I was expecting them to all stand for some reason when the PM and the DG wandered in (late).
(* great word that)
The PM sounds like a head girl addressing the prefects.
What is the plan we keep hearing about.
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August 21, 2020 1:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is ‘thanking’ Auckland. That makes me feel much better //
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:13pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Unhappily, those who have lost their jobs or livelyhoods cannot eat thanks. Or unicorns and pixy dust for that matter.
    
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    August 21, 2020 1:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Pixy dust is all gone, it is now Iron Pyrites (fool’s gold)
      
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      August 21, 2020 1:20pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    That makes me feel much better //
    than a slap…up the side of the head.
    
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    August 21, 2020 1:44pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The tone reminded me of a teacher talking to year 1’s.
  Then the lie about
  testing front line staff.
  Went early went hard
  quite apart from the inference that they actually know what they are doing.
  Q: Since it has been shown they can’t contain this in a hotel quarantine format, why do they continue to “try” this?
  May be they should have built specific quarantine locations, away from population centres?Like air bases, army bases?
  
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  August 21, 2020 1:42pm
- alloytoo
  
  Why did we waste all that money on testing the Americold facility after the company told them that there had been nothing shipped between the two facilities.
  
  Were they hoping to discover a teleporting variety of the virus?
  
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  August 21, 2020 3:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Goodyear just did a U turn. Amazing what a threat of blacklisting does.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/goodyear-caves-president-trump-reverses-ban-blue-lives-matter-workplace/?fbclid=IwAR3OlUDkmsRkW7mYygAHep1peRrK_MtA1mgiI82UYh9cn7iV8CkXjavfpys
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August 21, 2020 1:29pm
- old skool reactionary
  
  Yes all the empty virtue signalling by Globalist corporations as they push homosexuality, feminism and 3rd world immigration on the West while opening up shop in places like Saudi Arabia without so much as a peep about Human-Rights-Democracy Inclusiveness*TM
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:43pm
I remember when

Just some phrases for those wanting to know whether they have heard them repeatedly.
You are sure to hear them again!
“Testing was taking place”
“Do not have a known link to an isolation facility”
“This virus is tricky”
“This virus is tricky and insidious”
“Wild assertions not based on fact”
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August 21, 2020 1:30pm
- greybeard
  
  “I reject that ! “
  
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  August 21, 2020 4:47pm
Prince

It’s appalling when people deliberately spread misinformation.
Things like…

Kiwibuild will solve the housing crisis.
Tax Working Group will reset the future of Tax in NZ.
This is the “most open and transparent government’ in NZ history.
We will plant one hundred million trees a year
There was shit running down walls of Middlemore Hospital
David Clark is an effective Minister of Health working out of Dunedin.
The Wellbeing Budget will revolutionise NZ Government fiscal planning.

Time to dig out these liars and send them packing.
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August 21, 2020 1:30pm
- RJ
  
  Don’t be silly, that would mean having an open, fair, unbiased media that holds the government to account. Not sure where you are going to find them.
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:30pm
- Nickc2
  
  I wish!!!
  
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  August 21, 2020 3:49pm
Max Howler

Nice article/promo from Simon Angelo this morning (not), on the KiwiBungle, and suggesting the govt build soviet style apartment blocks.
How could this possibly help the kiwi dream (

“We need a Vonovia-style solution in this country. Where we can run quality rental property with proper scale and management. Receive reasonable returns. And provide affordable housing. Ideally listed on the NZX.
Now, this would be a better solution than KiwiBuild. A horse that was broken before it even ran.”

https://www.wealthmorning.com/2020/08/21/633503/this-property-investment-could-have-made-you-50-since-covid/
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August 21, 2020 1:53pm
- Ruahine
  
  There was a time in NZ when the only people who owned rental properties were “rich” people. it was really only after the Great Roger Douglas freed up the banking system that the so-called ‘Mum and Dads’ could aspire to owning a rental property to assist with saving for their retirement with to capital gain from the said property. Not from the rental monies. As the article points out the government is at war with todays rental owners.
  I see in the future only rich people, really types of accommodation Companys owning rental properties.
  
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  August 21, 2020 5:05pm
Ruahine

Ardern finding new class enemies at todays 1 pm election meeting.
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August 21, 2020 1:55pm
- RJ
  
  I only watch when no politician is there
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:55pm
I remember when

At what stage does the covid 1pm television update become a news media question and answer?
Why is it still on National Television once it gets to that stage?
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August 21, 2020 1:57pm
- RJ
  
  Because it is and always been a political campaign time for the head girl and the rest to dish out policy and bribes, the only time it is not is when Bloomfield is there by himself
  
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  August 21, 2020 2:56pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Exactly, it’s electioneering thinly disguised as news. Labour don’t even have to pay for it. I’m surprised the opposition haven’t jumped up and down about this blatant rort by now.
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:30pm
RJ

So wait a minute, knowing who your husband was, I don’t believe for one minute that you didn’t know what to do about Epstein.

Cindy McCain admits ‘we all knew’ about Epstein
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August 21, 2020 2:40pm
Frank the tank

Bhahahahaha. They have no idea and now it is in the South Auckland churches. They would have known about these cases yesterday when squealer was hinting we might move our of lock down early.

The mood is changing and the longer the dribble of cases drags on the worse it will be for this government. By going to level 3 (instead of level 2 like their retarded charts indicate we should have) immediately there is no way we can go back to L1 or even L2 until there is no cases over a sustained period.

This could be a TeamNZ in San Fran strategic mistake to push back the election.
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August 21, 2020 2:43pm
- RJ
  
  It’s in the churches? Damn that could be a hell of a firecracker
  
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  August 21, 2020 3:20pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Right – so to be saved, you MUST vote Labour…?
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:34pm
  - kowtow
    
    Could be a cracker of damn hell fire
    
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    August 21, 2020 4:50pm
  - eview
    
    Five churches, apparently. So I think the firecrackers have already gone off… I reckon it’s highly unlikely that this outbreak will be contained or controlled without the severe restrictions of L4 for several weeks and the high rates of compliance that were present in March (none of which will be achievable this time round). The government really only had one shot at this, and they wasted it by screwing it up massively.
    
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    August 21, 2020 7:07pm
- oob
  
  Frank I presume squealer is a reference to the manipulative orator in Orwell’s Animal Farm, but can you clarify who you’re referencing? Hipkins? Bloomfield? ..?
  
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  August 21, 2020 4:06pm
- cmm
  
  That coupled with their draconian detention policies.
  
  The most vulnerable (read South Auckland) people are the least likely to want to be taken away from their families for 2 weeks of isolation. Of course they will hide and keep a low profile rather than seek out testing and treatment.
  
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  August 21, 2020 4:22pm
RW Capitalist

1pm briefing did Jacinda just lie again?
Claimed the USA had 1600 deaths per mill
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
actual is 536
Is she looking to buy a fight with Donald?
She doesn’t have the ammunition or intellect.
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August 21, 2020 4:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Numbers are not great for the left. The difference between a billion and a trillion is only 3 zeros – so no extra cost.
  Fuck it, they will never get past primary school math
  
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  August 21, 2020 5:53pm
- MCos
  
  She didn’t say that, of course.
  She said the United States has 16,563 cases per million people. We have 269 cases per million people.
  Cases not deaths.
  Different source than Worldometer, it seems.
  
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  August 21, 2020 7:37pm
- Steve Todd
  
  No, RW, she did not lie.
  
  She said the US had 16 thousand and something cases – I forget her exact figure – per million, whereas New Zealand had 269 cases per million.
  
  As at right now, the US has 5,746,534 cases and a population of 331.272237 million, which gives 17,347 cases per million.
  
  New Zealand has 1,665 cases (1,315 confirmed and 350 probable) and an estimated population (as at 7.30 p.m.) of 5.029169 million, which gives 331 cases per million.
  
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  August 21, 2020 7:45pm
RJ

Thank goodness, it is alright people, labour are not using their bribe fund for this lockdown, it’s safe, they still have their election bribe fund

New lockdown costs won’t require the Government to draw on the $14 billion it had set aside for further outbreaks of Covid-19, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says.
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August 21, 2020 6:28pm
RJ

Ah, so this is how the govt will get control so they can move the ports

A written proposal from the chair of Auckland Council’s planning committee for the Government to buy a 50 per cent stake in the Ports of Auckland has been released to the Herald today.

The four-page draft proposal from Auckland Councillor Chris Darby outlines that “time is of the essence” as the city loses $65 million a day in lockdown two, and selling an interest in the ports is the most logical way to save council’s finances.

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August 21, 2020 7:38pm
I remember when

Is now the time to ask political candidates what their party’s policy is in regard of infectious diseases.
When they have answered, telling the audience about testing, isolation facilities and their infectious diseases’ policy.
Ask them what they are doing to greatly reduce the impact, number of deaths and restrictions on movement that the diseases cause.
The answer should be the reduction, control
and financial assistance for research of the causes of co-morbidity.
What would our position be now if we had spent $60 billion in this area?
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