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Sigmund Freud

I want freedom for Xmas mummy.
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September 7, 2020 8:00am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Melbourne not a chance, NZ luckily you have an election to decide if you want to play lock down for another term.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:30am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Sheeple happily vote for lockdown. Watch out for Labour winning on election night with 62% of the popular vote. All they want is rugby, beer and free money. Nothing else matters.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:38am
    - Sigmund Freud
      
      They are in for a HUGE shock then lol
      
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      September 7, 2020 11:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Who is the “Xmas mummy” you speak of?
  
  How about freedom for all of us 🙂
  
  Provide a venue for people who want complete isolation, Somes Island springs to mind, free home grocery etc delivery for all elderly or at risk citizens (get those nephews off the couch), isolation at cost for visa holders returning and no welfare for them at all, self isolation for citizens monitored electronically and let the rest of us decide what to do about getting on with life.
  
  I for one would get out and about but with some degree of social distancing just to avoid contracting the virus, virtually harmless to me, and passing it on to others not so healthy.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJhxJcSGZA
    When fiction becomes truth?
    Labour have cursed us.
    or at least told our freedoms to fuck off
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:10am
  - pjay
    
    Yes – I’d be on for ANY shop, bar, restaurant, sports arena … to open at Level 0 – declaring their premises to be “at the patron’s care and risk” – you wanna wear masks and wash your hands every few minutes … go somewhere else that caters for your needs.
    
    One day of this and we’d soon see how “concerned” the real population is.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:21am
Maggie Pie

Does anyone in the group belong to Toastmasters?

Asking for a friend 🙁

https://twitter.com/CraigSDouglas1/status/1302431557458649088
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September 7, 2020 8:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I went to one meeting once. It was like a cult with weird rules.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:07am
- alex Masterley
  
  Its one of those reap what ye sow moments..
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, her comment sort of explains from where many Labour votes come from. Most of these franchised beauty parlours have their fair share of latte and fine wine people, botoxed, made up as per the manual, and as far removed from original Labour voters as you can get. Their annual income would probably equal that of 4 factory workers. Cacci may well become our very own Goodyear as far as corporate income goes.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:21am
  - igm
    
    Being in Havelock North, she should have a hard road ahead, it is a very blue ribbon area.
    
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    September 7, 2020 8:29am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The other thing with wealthy urban Green and Labour voters, is that they are frequently voracious real estate capitalists with 2 or more rental properties, charging the maximum rent that the market will deliver. I have met several of them.
    
    Seriously if you look at areas like East Christchurch and Cannons Creek in Wellington, there are seriously poor people with lots of poor children. They will be poor for a variety of reasons, but lets put that aside.
    
    The reality is these families would benefit from ACT’s policies more than most:
    
    https://www.act.org.nz/education-policy
    
    But they are too brainwashed or have not enough information and so keep voting Labour. It would be nice to see ACT target voters in these poor communities.
    
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    September 7, 2020 8:35am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Christchurch East at present has New Conservative posters all over the place.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:36am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Christchurch East is my electorate, Kev, and although I am by instinct a true blue National voter and would have thrown myself off a cliff for Bill English I will not be voting for a party led by someone- no matter how admirable- who supports full term abortion. So it’s a New Conservative vote from me I feel. I feel I have nothing to lose by casting a vote for social conservatism and for life.
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:08am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        We need the two blue ticks this time more than ever. We must stop the unthinkable–at least Party Vote National.
        I am not displeased with the New Conservatives. I’m close to one.
        
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        September 7, 2020 12:38pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Nukuleka, nobody supports full term abortion on some kind of whim. No dr would do it, obviously.
        
        It would only be done for the most pressing medical reasons: to save a woman’s life.
        
        The decriminalisation has been very much misrepresented.
        
        If you don’t want a labour govt, I hope you reconsider, because otherwise your vote is wasted.
        
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        September 7, 2020 5:05pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Heh, to make a comment like that Inandout, you would have to be one of those misogynistic National Party voters who dares name our exalted & wondrous leader ‘Cindy’…
    
    Tsk, tsk
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:05am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I make my comparison with “Barbie”
      Barbie is hollow
      Jacinda is vacuous.
      Barbie is made of plastic
      Jacinda is artificial (fake)
      Barbie is sold on her looks
      So is Jacinda
      Barbie comes in a cellophane and cardboard box, which is useless once you remove the doll.
      The Labour Party
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:49am
- Tony Stuart
  
  More to the point, do any women have their beauty needs met by Caci Clinics in Napier and Havelock North.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:25am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Tony: probably a few less now.
    
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    September 7, 2020 8:30am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Never touch a keyboard to communicate with the world after consuming alcohol.
  If alcohol wasn’t involved takes it go a whole new level.
  This piece of racist trash obviously has many underlying issues, thought COVID would have given the business enough puss and pain, but no.
  I guess the business plan is to attract as many like minded racist bigots to beautify themselves externally, not sure it will remedy inner feelings.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:38am
- Simon
  
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  Very tribal. Labo & Nats virtually the same parties with a few differences on the edges.
  
  Take any Clown show failure and there is National a very close second. Housing, tax, crime, immigration, climate fraud, infrastructure etc etc.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:42am
  - Prince
    
    Rubbish. National build resilience through spending within our means and building surpluses for future crises.
    Labour piss it all up against a wall of crystal-gazing schools, artificial race track, union demands and various other vanity projects, then wonder why they need to borrow astronomical sums when a crisis hits.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:29am
  - IC5000
    
    > Very tribal. Labo & Nats virtually the same parties with a few differences on the edges.
    
    Very true and I think a lot of KBers are too caught up in their own tribalism mindset as an exercise in self definition . The core of the neoliberal project remains intact under Labour and that won’t change upon their re-election. It’s laughable that KBers think that communism will be imposed on NZ. Nothing could be further from the truth
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7NNMKBPsw
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I was a member of Toastmasters for a couple of years around the late 1990’s. For me, it was a means of personal improvement, as I was shit-scared of speaking in public, but had a role which required it.
  
  Unfortunately, every organisation has its bad apples, and it’s probably unfair to judge Toastmasters on a possibly drunken outburst by a member, who is now learning that every action has a consequence.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:14am
  - Sacha
    
    Yes – I went along to keep my teenage daughter company – must have been over 30 years ago. I was a poor public speaker, but my daughter was almost mute in public. We both benefitted and my daughter became a confident speaker, which was a decided advantage in her career. I learnt to keep quiet.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:39am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Does recent addition to the celebrity ranks Rebecca Field realise that she is white herself, when she calls Collins a “white piece of shit”? You would think she does, but I think she’s in denial. Typical AWFL (Affluent White Female Liberal).
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:35am
- infused
  
  Atleast caci responded
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YES, and good on CACI for that! I’ve been going to the same clinic for ages where the owner is a very good friend.
    She will be horrified when i show her tomorrow.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:26am
- RJ
  
  It is always funny when someone uses racism to claim someone is racist, poor lady has shown her true colours and wrecked her businesses in the process
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:23am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The real toastmasters are Cindy and her merry band of clowns. They have toasted the economy big time.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:38am
- DeepBlue
  
  Now I know why a Caci advert was ahead of General Debate. Association by Google advert placement. That has got to hurt.
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:39pm
Benedict Yu

There is a growing trend of Stuff publishing stories by aggrieved people. Today it is about a person who failed her driving test because the driving examiner refused to sit in the passenger seat on health and safety grounds. Looking at the photo, I agree with him. ?

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/y/o/6/l/a/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.710×400.210uxq.png/1599400936571.jpg?format=pjpg&optimize=medium
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September 7, 2020 8:05am
- Gravelroad
  
  What gets me about it, as similar to yesterday’s effort by $tuff, there is a photo and video of Ms Ardern in the middle of the text talking about changes to youth licensing.
  How does this fit in with electioneering regs?
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:32am
- Bigted
  
  I’d be happy betting she cleaned it up for the photo shoot too…
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:35am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  yesterday there was a stupid bitch that removed the lid to her mcdonalds coffee and burnt herself…
  
  think $1 to buy stuffed was extremely over priced.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:51am
- Surely Knott
  
  The article missed the point: why do we have people who have been driving in our country on restricted licenses for 16 years! And presumably transport her 5 kids as that’s why her car is dirty, but not a full license holder. This legislation needs to be sorted.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The last Government partially fixed the problem.
    
    From 2014 you can only have a restricted license for 5 years otherwise you lose it and need to start all over again. There were a very high number of people who never upgraded their licenses. Anyway, the change is not retrospective, so there will be people driving on restricted licenses who have held them for 20 years.
    
    https://www.transport.govt.nz/land/timelicences/
    
    Also, before 2012, the restricted license test was relatively easy, and the full license test difficult. In 2012 that was reversed – the restricted license test is now difficult and the full license test is more about showing that you are aware of your surroundings and can drive defensively etc.
    
    Finally the reason she can drive her kids, is that there is an exemption. Restricted drivers cannot have passengers, EXCEPT for their children, and their partner.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Sorry, I can’t talk, mine is a work vehicle and the floor well and seat, after a long trip, sometimes looks like a dustbin.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes but all she had to do was vacuum the car, replace the disgusting floor mats, and put on a seat cover and she would have been all set. No sympathy for her.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:54am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      My mechanic puts a sheet on my seat before he drives my car….to protect the seat.
      Issue the tester with a sheet to protect his ass from the seat?
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:22am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      That is too much work Yu bro. Will you pay me to do that? If so, I can thinl about cleaning my own car.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:41am
  - Lance
    
    Yes, but I suspect if you were engaging in something ‘official’ like sitting a driving test, that you would have enough brain cells to tidy it up.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:03am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Sorry, he is there to test whether this young lady has the skills to drive well enough so as not to kill me.
      I don’t think I will be killed by flying debris from her passenger foot well.
      This a bit precious
      I would gone back to my office, got a sheet and sat on that.
      Charged her whatever the lowest demerit is and carried on.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:25am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Is there a specific requirement in the testing docs which states that a passenger seat must be clean to a certain standard?
        Was it on the checklist to tick off?
        Passenger seat clean – tick.
        Passenger seat not clean – no tick so license failed.
        I would have asked the tester to show me where it says about clean seats.
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:25am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Is there a specific requirement in the testing docs which states that a passenger seat must be clean to a certain standard?”
        
        Not the issue. It is about manners. You don’t turn up to your driving test – which is a kind of important event – with a filthy car.
        
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        September 7, 2020 12:52pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Our kids were specifically warned to ensure their cars were reasonably clean and tidy, no rubbish etc. Obvious stuff too like windscreen and side mirrors clean.
      
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      September 7, 2020 4:06pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  But all of their stories are by staff who are aggrieved people, reduced to shamelessly begging for dosh.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:38am
- rouppe
  
  I don’t. This failing the first test is a rort to increase the income of the testing agency.
  
  They are thieves.
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:49pm
igm

I never wish to see any business fail . . . but there are exceptions!
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September 7, 2020 8:07am
G152

Cindy is sure that the child poverdy is solved.
She moved a few numbers about and told a fake news talking head all about it, now it was no longer a problem….
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September 7, 2020 8:12am
- Simon
  
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  Child poverty in NZ is a disgrace.
  
  That anyone from National can point a finger at Ardern because she said would make it a priority when National have been responsible as well makes them ghouls.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:46am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    What a twisted view!!!
    under labour
    We are spending, after just 3 yrs, 6 times as much money on housing support and twice as many people are in emergency housing.
    How do you suppose child poverty increased…couldn’t be the failure of policies like “Kiwi build” etc
    or even the failure to turn any form of workable policy into law?
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      The growth of gangs is directly linked to the increases in welfare allowing more money for drugs which allows more members to prosper.
      
      The increases in student living allowance allowed students to pool and increase the quality of their housing at the cost of families who were unable to match that increase so we created an upward spiral.
      
      Throwing money alone does not work without some form of education.
      
      Many years ago one of my businesses arranged small loans through banks and finance companies for clients for a small fee. We achieved “success” for these clients generally by loan consolidation freeing up income for living and reducing overall loan costs and reducing the length of the loan.
      
      We shut it down because we found that within a short time, often weeks, many clients had used that extra spare income to hook up another HP or small loan elsewhere to fund a meaningless or wasteful purchase thereby putting themselves back into the same precarious position they were in before our intervention.
      
      There is no cure for fiscal stupidity and I doubt there ever will be as it seems to be generational.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:07am
    - Paulus
      
      But why then are we $150 Billion in new debt in three years and don’t say Virus ($perhaps $50 Billion) because we were well in the poo long before that through lovely to have overspending on socialist wants and do give aways.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:46am
  - Lance
    
    Which party was the first in years to increase the benefits in real terms?
    Just talking extremist drivel like “National spent NOTHING on Welfare, National spent NOTHING on Healthcare and National spent NOTHING on Maori” is the sort of shit Willy Jackson spouts forth at every opportunity. Usually unchallenged by the Labour lapdog interviewer.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:08am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Willy Jackson….the new “Comical Ali”?
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:27am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Child poverty in this country is absolutely a disgrace. The problem is that it isn’t actually the Government that’s at fault (or at least National).
    
    The disgrace is on the parents that choose to not act in the best interest of their children. They are given money, education, healthcare etc. There is no reason these kids shouldn’t be succeeding other than their own cjhoices and the choices of their parents.
    
    The reason why we can attack Labour over this is that they politicised it against National and must therefore be held accountable for their lack of positive results.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:30am
    - Flossie
      
      So often when we have families in trouble drawn to our attention they are very large families. If people can’t manage all those kids, don’t have all those kids then expect taxpayers to shell out for everything.
      
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      September 7, 2020 12:18pm
      - suzieq
        
        Totally agree. Welfare should pay for the first two kids only. No employer would accept “I’m having another kid, boss”, as the reason to pay an employee more. Why should the taxpayer?
        
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        September 8, 2020 4:08pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Nine long years of neglect cannot be fixed in 3 years. Repeat this 100 times and Sheeple will start to believe that.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:42am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The biggest driver of hardship for low income families is housing costs. The Government has done nothing to fix that – indeed they have made things worse. That takes some doing.
    
    The only way to fix housing costs is to repeat what the Government did to Christchurch in 2012. Use emergency powers to force Councils to release urban land. And remove consenting from Councils (or intervene and fix things).
    
    It is absurd that New Zealand – the same size as the UK but with 5 million people has such crazy unaffordable housing.
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:27am
Jimmy White

The failing newspapers headline: ‘Heavily armed Trump supporters confront Black Lives Matter protesters in US’
The real headline: ‘ Heavily Armed BLM Militants Fail To Stop The Kentucky Derby’
The Story: The “Not F**king Around Coalition” in full paramilitary garb and armed to the teeth, which openly espouses black supremacism were only kept in check by patriots who were also armed.
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September 7, 2020 8:16am
- Raphael
  
  The failing newspapers have also been rather silent on the Atifa member who hunted down and killed a Trump supporter.
  
  The police warrant includes security camera footage showing how he was following and hunting the Trump supporters.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXnWo0Ddtek
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I understand the alleged killer of the Trump supporter was stopped by Police late last week, and shot after he presented a firearm at the arresting officers.
    
    Interestingly, the BLM and Antifa people “peacefully” protesting in Portland and other places have been silent about this. Why would a supposed “peaceful” protestor be carrying a gun?
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:17am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      There is generally no moral equivalence between the left and right factions in the States. 17 year old kid Kyle Rittenhouse, for instance, was in Kenosha (wisely or unwisely) to clean up graffiti, protect businesses from the the mobs, and in addition to his AR-15, had medical equipment to aid the wounded. He then was forced into a position of self-defence when chased down, shooting dead a convicted pedophile in the head, a spouse beater in the chest, and severely wounding another guy, armed with a pistol and “known” to the police in the arm.
      
      However, this guy in Portland shot his victim several times in cold blood when under no imminent threat, was armed when police confronted him, and was rightly shot dead in a fire fight with the police when resisting arrest on a warrant.
      
      Yet the treatment from most of the media could not be less indicative of this difference.
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:47am
      - Batman
        
        Rittenhouse shot and killed a person and was then chased by others who saw him do it.
        
        Both sides being armed is just as bad as each other. The fascistic tones of the MAGA militias is somewhat more concerning though, co-opting the imagery of the nation for support of an individual.
        
        The whole thing is a shitshow of too many guns and too many people with “I’m more hardcore than you” attitudes.
        
        “Portland suspect shot dead by police during arrest – BBC News” https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-54023227
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:57am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Both incidents were self-defence, and he was being fired upon by his assailants. But don’t take my word for it:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAUZI1I6McY&list=PL35Jwxq_TgDk9F8quwSwW3W9MzjheTWKy&index=37&t=0s
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neUnhYO2Ehc&list=PL35Jwxq_TgDk9F8quwSwW3W9MzjheTWKy&index=35&has_verified=1&bpctr=1599439270
        
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        September 7, 2020 12:11pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Why is a 17 year old kid armed with an assault rifle?
        … 2nd Amendment
        … fear and loathing of things he doesn’t yet understand in the world
        …young and stupid <– weren't we all once (5 minutes ago)
        
        Its terrible that a teenager lost his life over this. And I agree with Batman, too any guns in the hands of ideologues on both sides, too many guns in untrained hands. Also, lack of community spirit and trust in societies that are being torn apart.
        
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        September 7, 2020 2:01pm
    - kowtow
      
      Very little about him in the MSM , likewise very little about the blm/antifa guy who kicked the man in the head from behind as he sat stunned in the road( and he was robbed by the mob too)
      
      Largely peaceful ? Fake news.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:32am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Screen-Shot-2020-08-26-at-11.41.52-PM-998×651.png
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:16am
      - Batman
        
        Kow, you must have missed the “largely” part. Some incidents of idiotic violence fall under that description.
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:59am
- Batman
  
  Jimmy do you have any evidence of actual BLM people organising protests, being heavily armed militants? Or is that just your fevered stereotypes coming through again?
  
  Patriots are not people who support an individual or single political ideology. You’re actually describing a political militia.
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:01pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    There is lots of evidence. BLM, is a front, They are Antifa, they are organised, and they are a terrorist organisation.
    
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    September 7, 2020 1:38pm
  - Jimmy White
    
    BatBoy scroll down to the twitter video. You can’t fake that
    https://trendingpolitics.com/heavily-armed-blm-militants-fail-to-stop-the-kentucky-derby/
    Holy Tintinnabulation! …Boy Wonder
    
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    September 7, 2020 2:26pm
Swifty

A good piece of common sense that should be required reading by every lefty politician in the country:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300100607/heres-what-would-really-control-new-zealand-rents

But it won’t be.
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September 7, 2020 8:20am
- Tall Man
  
  I read it and it said little to me. Basically econo waffle.
  
  Everyone knows more houses are needed yet few have any solutions other than blame Councils and the RMA.
  
  Face the facts, New Zealand’s construction industry is at capacity. Many builders and other tradesmen have migrated to Auckland to fill the massive demand there leaving a construction shortfall elsewhere, including Wellington so naturally house prices and rents rise.
  
  Why not look at how many beneficiaries with no employed in the whole household are living, with rental supplements, in high priced areas. We have empty houses all over NZ and many semi rural towns dieing as a result. Flatten the welfare housing supplement throughout the country and watch people move out of higher rental areas.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:58am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    We need both. It is too expensive to build new houses and there is too much money being poured into the purchase and rental of existing houses. Both of those are due to government policy.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:47am
  - Paulus
    
    And we are told something like 40,000 empty houses in Auckland currently.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:49am
Luke Piewalker

At a friends on the weekend and they had the TV on. First time I had watched TV in 10 plus years.

Wall to wall Covid electioneering.

No wonder Cindy doesn’t want to talk about policy.
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September 7, 2020 8:24am
- Inandout
  
  Luke, less and less viewers tune in to TVNZ since streaming began. Within 5 years our MSM will have morphed into something else, or demised. Paper news will be local, just those free weekly ones.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:47am
  - Flossie
    
    Free to air TV in NZ is just a Labour Party free for all. Disgraceful. Where can we get any NZ news that is not so biased?
    
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    September 7, 2020 8:58am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Australia?
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:29am
      - Inandout
        
        RW, probably Oz Sky.
        
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        September 7, 2020 9:59am
      - Flossie
        
        There’s precious little NZ news on Sky Oz. Didn’t it used to be called Sky News Australia AND New Zealand? And I think it used to show NZ weather forecast too.
        
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        September 7, 2020 10:35am
- RW Capitalist
  
  If Jacinda talks about “policy”, she will have to admit, there was a time BEFORE covid19.
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  Have that record looked in to.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:27am
  - Gravelroad
    
    RW- If Jacinda talks about policy she will have to remember to have that earpiece in………..
    
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    September 7, 2020 12:55pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Are puppet strings wireless these days?
      
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      September 7, 2020 1:15pm
KevO'Brien

COVID-19, 2018 style. A report from World Bank records showing exports:
https://nationalfile.com/world-bank-records-covid-19-test-kits-exported-in-2018/

Have we all been lied to again?
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September 7, 2020 8:30am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  what do you mean again? The lie hasnt stopped
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:56am
- SB2
  
  Lied to again?
  
  Nope!
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:25am
Captain Mainwaring

The week before last some on here reported that Reid/Newshub were polling.
What happened? Didn’t they get the result they were hoping for?
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September 7, 2020 8:33am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  true, my mate got polled but not sure what outfit done it. internal polling maybe?
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:57am
Tony Stuart

Who wrote this?

The public is already very familiar with the tougher side of ‘Crusher Collins’, who carved out a career based on self-confidence and steely determination. But it’s a one-dimensional caricature, and she is an infinitely more complex person. You never know which Judith Collins is going to show up to an interview: the ball-breaker; the wounded, misunderstood and wronged politician; or the fun, occasionally coquettish and devilish-witted MP.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121863467/the-brutal-business-of-politics-judith-collins-discusses-memoir-john-key-david-bain-and-being-a-survivor

Why, it was Andrea Vance. And in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, it will be the same Andrea Vance who ordered us yesterday to desist from calling the PM “Cindy”. Yet as recently as 28 June 2020, Ms Vance used the other “C” word.

Is it any wonder that the once-proud profession of journalism is trusted by the public to the same degree as politicians, and is even less trusted than used car salespeople?
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September 7, 2020 8:33am
- Swifty
  
  Further evidence why governments must never give public money to news media organisations.
  
  But of course under Labour, our news media were given millions under the ‘local reporting initiative’ and were one of the first industries given public money after the CoL crashed the economy; in that case tens of millions – and while many, many other industries have not received a cent in targeted funding.
  
  Labour are doing their best to buy the election – and the news media are willingly compliant.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:43am
- Gravelroad
  
  The strange thing is that these journalists, editors and advertisers just can’t see the abject hypocrisy on display here – or they choose to ignore it to get the desired result.
  I realise that Ms Vance’s effort for Jacinda yesterday falls into the “just helping out a mate” category of electioneering – so ends justify the means always for the Labour Party.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:45am
- niggly
  
  500 people lost their jobs in the last two weeks of August according to Paul Goldsmith.
  
  That’s 5,000 over two weeks.
  
  That’s 5,000 people (plus their families) in misery, not knowing when they will work again, meanwhile mortgages or rent, the cost of food and the cost clothing for the children are weighing heavily on these people – things will break.
  
  Meanwhile here’s the useless MSM spending their time defending the Prime Minister over a nickname, seriously?
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes, seriously Niggly. When there’s so much bad news on the economic and employment front, the media has a ready supply of squirrels to set loose.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:18am
    - niggly
      
      The only media/broadcaster personality I see trying to counter the govt spin (apart from Hosking and Williams etc) is Pollie Gillespie.
      
      She has been a casualty (lost her job in a restructure) and she is seeing the disconnect between the cheerful “unite against covid-19” govt messaging and reality which is a significant people are hurting. And if these people call out the govt or worse, the Prime Minister, they are piled upon!
      
      It must annoy the heck out of her to see the MSM continuing to deflect away from the government’s poor handling of its covid response and which instead are defending the Prime Minister on really trivial issues. None of that provides jobs and security for people made redundant!
      
      (Oops meant to have said above “500 people lost their jobs each day on average in the last two weeks…” etc)!
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:50am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Just shows how partisan you’ve become Tony. The article was mostly quotes from Judith herself. Can’t see how you can misinterpret that. Very clear that JC doesn’t like Key and others so what?
  To her credit JC didn’t start slagging pollies from other parties she saved that for all those she felt wronged her in National.
  It almost read as if she was considering retirement this year and was setting the record straight about her days in National. I note she didn’t avoid what appears to be the truth about National and bloggers.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The public is already very familiar with the tougher side of ‘Crusher Collins’, who carved out a career based on self-confidence and steely determination. But it’s a one-dimensional caricature, and she is an infinitely more complex person.
    
    Are you suggesting that was a quote “from Judith herself”? Or is it editorialising by Andrea Vance?
    
    I’d suggest it’s the latter, and it’s not the only example in recent months of Vance using the Crusher epithet
    
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    December 7, 2019 10:11am
  - Lance
    
    You would have noted the chapter when she turned from being a lifelong Labour supporter to a National supporter following her and her husbands appalling treatment at the hands of a bunch of Union thugs?
    
    Odd you didn’t mention that?
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:15am
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      I missed that. Wot happened?
      
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      September 8, 2020 4:14pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, Vance and others get it very wrong.
  
  You see their problem is that since the days of Kirk, Rowling and Muldoon we have gradually lost respect for our Prime Ministers and politicians. This was unlike the respect we held for politicians like Marshall, Holyoake or Holland. We no longer held them in reverence, because we worked out they were human like us and tended to behave like the rest of us. Making it in some instances a very low bar.
  
  Then you turn the issue around, ordinarily we should respect the position of Prime Minister, but how can we when:
  
  1. She was selected as PM by “what’s in it for Winstone”;
  2. Her party came second at the last election, and the CoL is a combination of parties to thwart the will of 45% of the electorate;
  3. Her govt has never had a coherent plan for government, instead we witnessed all the Working Groups etc;
  4. In many instances, we witness only a superficial level of understanding of the issues being asked of the Prime Minister, and when she gets questioned further, she resorts to childish responses or sulks.
  
  Given the above, clearly she does not respect the position she holds, so why she we respect her?
  
  Therefore, as far as I’m concerned, she is and will remain Cindy!
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:42am
Swifty

When National governed the media was awash weekly (daily at times) with Labour and the unions wailing , screaming and ranting about Serco-managed prisons. At the time many of us here made mention of it – that it had little to do with prisoner welfare and that it was largely a union-driven beat up designed purely to drive Serco from the market.

A number of times in the last three years there have been Correction run prisons in major difficulty and where are Labour and the unions now?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12362662

Crickets…..
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September 7, 2020 8:35am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Also child poverty. That seems to be fixed if column inches are anything to go by.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:45am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Then it’s just as well that UNICEF did its own research, and didn’t rely on the New Zealand media for accurate child poverty data.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300099165/unicef-report-is-accurate-and-rigorously-checked-coauthor-says
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:31am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  “All that is solid melts into air” – Karl Marx
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:58am
BAM

The advice comes after National under new leader Judith Collins confirmed to the Herald it would tear up new Healthy Homes standards recently brought in by the Labour-led Government.

Is National purposely trying to throw the election? combine that with getting rid of mandatory lunch breaks, you’ve really got to wonder.
Why are they pitching so heavily at what is probably about 10% of the electorate? this is madness.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12361468
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September 7, 2020 8:40am
- Flossie
  
  They might as well as there’s no shifting those with the mindset that Jacinda is our saviour.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:00am
- BAM
  
  Doesn’t National see that the optics are absolutely dreadful, why are playing into the narrative that’s been created by the MSM?
  
  Labour nice and caring, we’ll look after you average New Zealander, we’ll keep you safe.
  
  National only interested in money and business, were here to represent the wealthy, who cares about the little people.
  
  There seems to be a complete disconnect?
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:05am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You complain about “optics” BAM, but day after day, people moan here and all arfound the place that there is no difference between National and Labour.
    
    Judith Collins and other key National spokespeople are rolling out policies almost every day that clearly differentiate National from Labour in particular, and the coalition government in general. The Healthy Homes Standards were largely a Green policy, and have placed such a burden on landlords that many are either quitting their holdings, or considering doing that. The flexibility around lunchbreaks is aimed at the self-employed or small businesses where arbitrary one-size-fits-all rules are completely impractical.
    
    There’s a lot more policy to come, so hang on to your steak ‘n’ cheese 😀
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:27am
    - BAM
      
      Unbelievable.
      
      You’re handing Labour the election on a platter and you don’t even realise it.
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:34am
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        only if you believe msm.
        there is a HUGE silent majority in nz just itching to have their say.
        
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        September 7, 2020 10:37am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Labour have dug their own pit–they’ll be roasted in it. Do you seriously believe that pollies like Willie Jackson are fit to be in Government? At least Judith Collins has a Masters degree in Taxation-a darn complex subject. Ardern was one of Winston’s follies and has done MMP in. Winston is on the SFO chain hooks and will appear dressed in due course.
        
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        September 7, 2020 10:50am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      I think that the complaints reflect that there seems to be plenty of policy difference – National have them and Labour don’t. However, the only policy difference I care about right now is the Covid bullshit.
      
      If National don’t offer a genuine alternative, involving never going about level 2 (preferably level 1) under any circumstances whatsoever, then Labour may as well be in power. People are sick of this shit, and I sense that they couldn’t really care less about abstract policies that have no immediate effect on their lives.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:39am
- Interested Party
  
  You misrepresent the lunch break rule, it allows for circumstances if for example a) A worker wants to only have smoke break so they can leave work 30 minutes to say pick up school kids, or 2) workers are working on a job where say an extra 10 minutes would have it finished so they would have lunch 10 minutes later rather than say a set 12:30 start time
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:12am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Exactly. It makes what many employees already do legal. At the moment a huge number of workplaces technically brake the law.
    Again, the Left ignore the lived experience of real people.
    Giving people choice is generally a good thing.
    
    The optics are only bad because the media are corrupt. I think it’s a worse idea to only promote ideas that the corrupt media agree with.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:38am
- Hollyfield
  
  The stupid law says a heat pump has to be installed in the living area. So my landlord put one into the living area. Into the sunniest, warmest room in the house. Meanwhile, the other end of the house that gets no sun and always feels a little chilly has no heating. (This is not a complaint about my landlord, but about the stupid law that sounds good, but provides no benefit to my house.)
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:17am
  - BAM
    
    Then improve the law, don’t just throw it in the bin.
    It just makes National look heartless and uncaring.
    
    The average person who reads that article, the takeout is that National doesn’t give a damn about peoples health because it gets in the way of landlords making even more money.
    
    At the moment, where many people are paying top dollars to live in really shitty cold run-down houses and Nationals going to dump a law that could make the home they live in better.
    
    Where’s the electoral win in that?
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:31am
    - Tall Man
      
      You may be right but the whole law is a dog so why fix it as it will always be behind the 8 ball.
      
      Throw it out and start again but also introduce a little personal responsibility.
      
      Until you have cleaned up a flat after filthy tenants have departed with windows sealed shut with grime and mould you have no comprehension of just how crappy some tenants are.
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:44am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Dead right Tall Man. In the same way, National has concluded that the Resource Management Act has been tinkered with far too many times.
        
        National’s approach is to scrap the current flawed RMA legislation, and replace it with two seperate laws, a Natural and Built Environments Act (NBEA) and a Strategic Planning Act (SPA).
        
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        September 7, 2020 10:15am
    - chukar
      
      Ever heard of personal responsibility BAM?
      
      People have a right to choose where and how they live. They do not need governments making those decisions for them.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:49am
      - BAM
        
        What’s personal responsibilty got to do with renting a cold damp house because that’s all you can afford for your family?
        
        Do you think people deservse to live in squalid conditions because they’re not wealthy?
        
        Fuck me, is this who National represents?
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:41am
  - Observer of Life
    
    We built a rental, only a couple of years old, put shower domes in both bathrooms to prevent moisture issues. Didn’t put an extractor in the ensuite (as there is no bath) and with the shower dome no moisture, but lo-and-behold, new law means we have to install an extractor fan or we can be fined. I’ve spoken to them about the situation. They understand there is no moisture issue, BUT we must do it by June (?) 2021. Madness!
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:19pm
- Paulus
  
  And increased rents say $10 per week to pay for the space heaters whereby the tenant cannot pay the electricity bill if installed any way.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:54am
Thought Criminal

A recession is when your neighbour loses his job.
A depression is when you lose your job.
A recovery is when Jacinda loses her job.
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September 7, 2020 8:43am
Maggie Pie

Had my partners dad over for lunch on Fathers Day.
Got a really nice Thai delivered from Wok Express, along with one of those fab Strawberry New York Cheesecakes from The Pie Piper (OMG – to die for!)
We got a real larf when pop playd this little clip thru our telly…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKbQFMOEFTs
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September 7, 2020 8:53am
- Tall Man
  
  Do you cook Maggie?
  
  The level of actual comprehension of the younger New Zealanders seems to be dropping on a daily basis. Kapahaka good, education bad ……
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:16am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://greenschool.nz/programme/
    Even $11.5mill, doesn’t buy you “literacy” till intermediate level and Maths isn’t mentioned anywhere.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:39am
    - Tall Man
      
      Math … pffftttt. cindy shows that math is no use after all, numbers are just things in front of zeros and zeros are nothing.
      
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      September 7, 2020 9:46am
    - SB2
      
      Their school programme does mention with many,many other things this ,
      
      Think critically
      
      Dig deeper, ask why, make connections
      
      Unlike many posters here on KB
      
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      September 7, 2020 11:19am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        “Think critically
        
        Dig deeper, ask why, make connections”
        As regards WHAT????
        Because we need more critically thinking 5 yr olds.
        That can neither read, write of comprehend maths.
        Have no actual knowledge to think critically about…That is not planted there by the Green Party.
        
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        September 7, 2020 11:35am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Dig deeper?????
        
        I thought these Green folks were meant to be teaching the kiddie-winkles sustainable practices.
        Haven’t they become acquainted with no-dig gardening?
        https://deepgreenpermaculture.com/diy-instructions/no-dig-gardening/
        
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        September 7, 2020 1:23pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      I’m more concerned, in the long run; about Kohlberg’s series for moral development and the societal impact of not learning the basics.
      
      According to Kohlberg’s theory (widely accepted), one cannot advance in ones moral, social and societal development, until one has mastered the concrete (of which the three Rs – reading, writing, ‘rithmetic) are central, as well as concepts like “good” and “bad” and their extensions “safe”, “unsafe” etc for self and others. Only then can one move onto the types of complex abstract thinking that underpins law and order, societal norms, governance etc.
      
      If you’re interested here’s a useful over-view, formulated for primary, intermediate and high school teachers :
      
      https://courses.lumenlearning.com/teachereducationx92x1/chapter/kohlbergs-stages-of-moral-development/
      
      The actual psych literature is somewhat more complex – but worth looking up if you’re inclined.
      
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      September 7, 2020 2:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    ?? Of course i cook Tall Man!
    
    But not if we eat out or order takeaways, silly!!
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:08am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      OK….all round to Maggie’s house for dinner….6pm OK?
      
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      September 7, 2020 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is she allowed to vote?
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:18pm
Inandout

Saw a video of a masked Joe Biden speaking to an almost empty venue. He twice made a point by lurching toward a seated attendee and forcefully whispering through his kisser cloth. We weren’t shown a view of the seated one but I imagine that person would be virus-terrified.
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September 7, 2020 8:55am
I remember when

Was Andrea Vance right?
Dictionary:
Doll is slang for “an attractive or helpful person.”
So was Andrea saying “I have read the definition and I’m not sure that is right?”
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September 7, 2020 9:05am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, I wonder if she was called a ‘doll’ by a certain coiffured MP?
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:02am
Hollyfield

My parents had a covid test in the weekend.
Their doctor phoned them and said you’re older, you’re in the more at risk group, you should have a covid test.
So they went to the doctor, had the test.
They had no symptoms, had not been in contact with anyone who has tested positive, had not been to any venues where someone who has tested positive has been, had not been to large gatherings etc.
Predictably, the results were negative.
So why did the doctor call them in for a test?
Statistics?
Or to get the payment from the Government?
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September 7, 2020 9:09am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  question is why did your parents exhibit such sheeple like behaviour.
  id be more concerned that a gp manipulated them so easily for as you suggest most likely financial gain.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:37am
  - Hollyfield
    
    I won’t tell you who they’re going to vote for then. Or how wonderful they think Jacinda is.
    
    For many years I have wondered if I’m a changeling, since I am so far apart from any of my family members.
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:10am
  - Hollyfield
    
    On top of this, my mum complained about the booklet that the Government is distributing through community groups to people who don’t have a smartphone, so they can keep track of where they’ve been.
    I said, yes what a waste of money when any piece of paper a person already has can be used. There is no point to the booklet except to allow the Government to say how wonderful they are caring about people.
    She replied, yes, this booklet should have been delivered to every house so that people don’t have to track one down themselves by contacting Age Concern etc.
    (sigh)
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:17am
    - Paulus
      
      And a pencil to write in it too please !
      
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      September 7, 2020 1:48pm
- RJ
  
  Payment. Where are your parents located? I know my gp’s businesses is being contacted daily by Auckland gp’s seeking investment because they are financially stuffed because of the lockdown
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:59am
- Inandout
  
  Holly, back in the day of ordinary flu which apparently killed hundreds of elderly, they would have been called in for their free shot. Well there is no free lunch, so the doc would have got a fee.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:05am
  - Hollyfield
    
    Yes, they get their “free” flu shot. Plus, as they get older, get referred for more and more “free” specialist appointments at hospital. Then complain that they have to wait 4 weeks between the initial GP’s visit and the specialist appointment.
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:22am
- Joely Doe
  
  According to my source (Practice Manager at local GP clinic) – $48 per Covid test completed.
  GP’s trying to maximise income after taking a hammering during lockdown (just like the rest of us…)
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:24am
wimpston peeeders

every time I say “cindy” it brings me great joy to know it made a lefty cry.
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September 7, 2020 9:10am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Do you seriously think lefties are dismayed by your calling the PM names?
  
  Do you think they would rather (a) talk about Labour’s record of achievement in Government or (b) call out ill-mannered opponents? Which is more likely to get them favourable media coverage?
  
  I’ve no doubt it makes you feel better. But you are really, really not helping.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:34am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    hit a lefty jacinda lover with facts of her govts failings and they shut down and bombard you with abuse and deny deny deny
    
    if you cant win your own way then beat them at their own game.
    
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    September 7, 2020 9:51am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “hit a lefty jacinda lover with facts of her govts failings”
      and you will soon be charged with assault and imprisoned for 10yrs.
      or is that the other way round under Jacinda?
      ie you will be imprisoned for 10 yrs then charged with assault.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:00am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      A person is justified in thinking you rude, ignorant and not worth talking to if all you can do is call people names.
      
      They are not so justified if you do not call names and instead set out well reasoned arguments backed with solid evidence.
      
      Either way, they may bombard you with abuse and denial. But in the first instance they will have some justification and sympathy from neutral onlookers, and in the second case they will not.
      
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      September 7, 2020 10:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I must admit that anonymous folks on KB who called me rude or abusive names failed to convince me of the sincerity of their presence on General Debate.
        
        I notice that they did attract followers, tho’.
        
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        September 7, 2020 1:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        FFS Albert, cindy is not an abusive name. Aunty cindy was used by her nieces and was reported in the media.
        
        It is merely a smokescreen to divert attention away from her gross stupidity and inadequacy as an appointed prime minister. It has worked to a certain degree but every smokescreen does leave a few choking behind it and I think ultimately her inadequacies will be her undoing, not whether she sees “cindy” as an insult.
        
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        September 7, 2020 2:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lefties get ‘offended’ But nothing happens when you are ‘offended’
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:21pm
Surely Knott

Stuff reports on missing French boy Eloi . They mention the other people missing in the Waitakeres where no bodies or evidence has been found. Iraena Asher in 2004, Kim Bambus in 2017 and Cherie Vousden in 2012. (Both missing from Mercer Bay Track Carpark).

But Stuff excluded to mention missing Chinese student Laurence Wu missing June 2019 . Why? Laurence Wu went missing from the Piha Western Carpark. No body found and missing iphone x. His parents posted a huge reward and funded their own helicopter searches with no results. If you’re committing suicide and going for a swim do you take your iphone x? Do you take your shoes off? Does no body or clothing wash back up. What evidence was there. Where is the investigative reporting?

The public deserve more information. Are we really to believe they are all suicides. That the two women fell of Mercer bay cliffs and no bodies or clothing wash up. Cars unlocked – weird. Bob Harvey wrote a good article on why he didn’t think it was suicide. https://www.metromag.co.nz/society/society-crime/the-vanishing-the-three-women-who-disappeared-on-aucklands-west-coast-beaches

Since then we have had two more missing young people.

Where is the investigative journalism and the detailed reporting so we can be assured a full search has happened. Most physical evidence in the Tamihere case came from bushwalking locals but unfortunately the Waitakeres are still mostly closed. Have the police been allowed to do a full search. Have they had dogs through the deepest parts of the forest. What about the cameras they put up to spot people entering the Waitakeres have they been checked?

The Waitakere’s are a convenient black hole where if people go missing we dismiss the outcome. Must be suicide body taken away by a rip?

RIP. Eloi. and Laurence. Cherie. Iraena. Kim.
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September 7, 2020 9:29am
JibberJabber

The Victorian ~~Police~~ People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs in all their glory. Brave lads and lassies.

https://twitter.com/WakeAustralia/status/1302397460279513088

2 elderly ladies sitting in the sun on a park bench confronted by 5 jackbooted state operatives, one of the ladies assaulted.
#NKVD/Stasi
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September 7, 2020 9:30am
- ex-golfer
  
  It will be interesting to see the outcome of the court cases that will arise from yesterdays lockdown protest where approx 300 people attended. 15 arrests and 150 instant fines issued – many will be fighting these in court.
  Whereas a BLM protest with 10,000 people occurs and 1 organizer is fined.
  Melbourne used to be my favourite Australian city – no longer.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:31am
- kowtow
  
  Looks like the big thug who moved in behind grabbed something off one , a phone ? Very concerning behaviour in a so called liberal democracy.
  
  Little old ladies easy pickings , but members of this Farce “took a knee” at BLM illegal protests.
  
  Remember this is the Farce that persecuted Pell in literally a show trial.
  
  I have no sympathy for any Victorians who voted Labor .
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:43am
- SB2
  
  WAKE UP AUSTRALIA WAKE UP learn Agenda 21-30 tells us a great deal about their own motives.
  
  But it does seem a bit over the top unlike here.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:06am
Tony Stuart

Breaking news – Mediaworks has sold its television operation and its media division to “the global leader of real-life entertainment Discovery Inc”:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/09/mediaworks-confirms-sale-of-tv-operations-to-discovery-inc.html
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September 7, 2020 9:40am
- RJ
  
  They are going to have 8 free to air channels
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Shame it wasn’t fox news….We may get some real counter point opinion and news then.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:57am
  - SB2
    
    RW Capitalist, no worries your base is more than adequately covered by Fox , Breitbart, OA etc, etc
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:58am
  - Raphael
    
    There would be too much of a mental breakdown of the current staff if they had to actually consider alternate positions
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:08am
Ruahine

It is amazing how Labour can turn people into criminals to cover their own lies and laziness.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300100791/coronavirus-government-orders-regular-covid19-tests-for-border-workers-with-fines-for-refusal
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September 7, 2020 9:57am
- fernglas
  
  Surely it’s an employment issue? Criminalising your own people or altering their contracts of employment. Which is less heavy-handed? Or do they think their union bosses wouldn’t stand for it?
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:11am
I remember when

What farmers/growers will need with new water regulations:
Farm Plan:
Farmers and Growers work with a suitably qualified and certified adviser to gather information and advice to help them decide what practices and changes are required.
Farm Map:
Include a map identifying waterways and risks to water quality, such as sources of contaminants, and areas prone to high erosion.
Risk Assessment:
Assess the risk across specific activities including irrigation, application of nutrients, effluent management, stock exclusion and farm rubbish pits.
Action Plan:
Create, implement and maintain a schedule of actions for managing identified features and address identified risks.
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September 7, 2020 10:05am
- Swifty
  
  If Labour was to be consistent they would require that of every house owner the length of the country and which is to be produced, lodged and then reviewed and updated annually.
  
  Then we might see people understanding the burden Labour places on our food growers.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:21am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    What do you mean “if”, this only the beginning.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So…
  Many farmers will not be able to comply because:
  1; Some pen pusher has changed the definition of a farm.
  2; Will not be able to afford the army of “professional consultants” to keep up the paperwork.
  Result ….food inflation, lowering of supply and less food exports (our largest export)
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:36am
ex-golfer

So the Government admits defeat and have given up trying to find the origin of the community transmission of COVID that has put us into these latest lockdowns.
It would appear to me there is something the family is not telling officials if it can’t be traced.
Will any journalist bother trying to get an answer out of the Minister of Health?
If we were able to easily track down the very first COVID case back in February, why is this one proving to be so hard?
My answer: the family has not been completely open with officials about their movements.
I don’t care if you call me a conspiracy theorist – its simply the only answer at this point.
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September 7, 2020 10:14am
- RJ
  
  No need to blame the family for this they are the innocent victims in this.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:25am
  - ex-golfer
    
    The family has contracted COVID-19 – and that is something we can give them sympathy for.
    The question remains – how did they contract it?
    If our contract and tracing system is so good, the answer should be easily obtained, and yet we are continually told the source cannot be traced.
    And everyone seems to have given up asking why.
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:43am
    - RJ
      
      What we know is this virus came from overseas, that means a failure at the border. The government is to blame for that. And more than likely they came into contact with someone else that passed it on.
      
      Take a look at our isolation hotels, you can be in day 13 ready to leave when new people are let into the hotel, so someone leaving could get the virus from a new arrival. People working the borders and flight staff not tested. Nurses jumping between their normal work and isolation hotels. All it takes is for one person who has no idea they had the virus to get it, pass it on, and you have how they got it without knowing.
      
      Our contact and tracing system is shit. I was at a place a few weeks ago and an elderly man was there, told the owner of the businesses he had just been tested for COVID and got a negative, said it took them over a week to contact him and tell him that when in Queenstown he had been in contact with the South Korean that had it. He was furious, said that in that week he had been in contact with over 500 people he could of given it to
      
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      September 7, 2020 11:10am
  - backster
    
    Overstayer?
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:08am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And if you think Covid-19 is bad, wait till you hear about cancer and car crashes!
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:33am
  - RJ
    
    Paper cuts are the worst
    
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    September 7, 2020 10:34am
- SB2
  
  ex- golfer short of conspiracy theory what is needed is proof and not surmise or speculation.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:55am
- bruceavon
  
  What you still think that conspiracy theory about the gangs was right? No.
  What you might have missed is that the original family were not the first known case in this cluster. It was someone else who worked at the cold store place. but yes very convenient no one was traced to the border.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    very convenient no one was traced to the border.
    convenient for cindy.
    
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    September 7, 2020 8:03pm
- Ruahine
  
  Perhaps they have heard or read the phrase “we are from the government. We are here to help”.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:11am
Rusty

I thought 3News had no more money but TV One news lets go of Wendy Petrie for money reasons and Three News retains two presenters.

Not saying I like either tv news channels — both get there biased/left wing news sources from the same overseas media outlets.
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September 7, 2020 10:19am
- Inandout
  
  Rusty, I guess the appalling ‘7 Days’ will continue.
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:39am
- Fletch
  
  Petrie and Dallow appear to be taking turns at the moment. I still see her on the 6pm news. Maybe they are weaning her off slowly?
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:40am
- SB2
  
  Rusty , take your cue from other KB posters and source your newspeak from fake sources online like Breitbart, Gateway pundit, Fox , OA etc!
  
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  September 7, 2020 10:53am
RW Capitalist

Just lately, we appear to be hearing a lot of pscho babble about stress.
My view (2c)
The only people who have no stress….are dead.
Embrace the stress… if you have it…you’re alive.
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September 7, 2020 10:30am
Fletch

Sharyl Attkisson – the media will be rolling out prepared scandals between now and election day in the U.S

Let me explain.
Scheduled “scandals” will be rolled out regularly between now & Nov. 3.
The media, politicos, propagandists pretend it’s organic & pretend to be aghast.
Most of America understands what’s going on.
After all, it’s not exactly a new approach in politics.

Yeh, no surprise, really. I guess they are aiming at the low-information voter or the people who hate Trump to give them even more reason to hate him. It’s so transparent.
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September 7, 2020 10:38am
- Batman
  
  Maybe, just maybe, it’s that Trump is a shitty person with a history of doing and saying things that align with being a shitty person?
  
  From jokes about groping pageant contestants through to calling religion “bullshit” after accepting prayers from faithful people.
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You have stated many times that Trump’s supporters are stupid, too stupid to make a rational decision so why do you bother posting so much anti Trump stuff?
    
    Are you trying to change someone’s mind or just jumping on the bandwagon?
    
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    September 7, 2020 2:18pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The same tactics are used here.
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:43pm
SB2

What we can glean from the UNICEF child well being health card is that at 35 we are ahead of Trump’s America 36 with Australia only at 32 and Canada 30.

The KB beat up doesn’t tell us how we can catch up with the top five with Netherlands at 1 , Denmark at 2 , Norways at 3 etc. Apart of course Auntie Judith spreading around her fairy dust to make to all better,

https://www.unicef-irc.org/child-well-being-report-card-16

BTW any kind of UNICEF anything ( like the UN )i s most usually anathema to a great many KB posters.

Whats changed?
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September 7, 2020 10:51am
- rangitoto
  
  The main conclusion is that Cindy has failed again.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:15am
  - SB2
    
    rangitoto , then we can say Trump too?
    
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    September 7, 2020 1:09pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Did Trump make it his number one priority to reduce child poverdy?
      
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      September 7, 2020 2:22pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The point, as I made elsewhere is that these issues in first world countries are mainly caused by the families, not the government.
      
      Jacinda has failed, not because it’s her fault that these statistics are bad, but because she made it an election issue and promised to make it better and it’s actually gotten worse despite her throwing millions of dollars at her.
      
      That is an entirely reasonable reason to say she has failed.
      
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      September 7, 2020 3:40pm
Jack5

China’s industrialisation has shaken the world’s trade system. Can we now expect a similar shake-up from an agriculture revolution in China?

Rural Chinese are moving to the cities, and tiny holdings of an acre or two become available for merging into more economic farms.

What does this mean for New Zealand, which survives economically on farm exports, with China a key market?

This is from a Guardian report on what it calls “China’s colossal rural revamp:”

… local authorities often seem to favour bigger, more productive industrialised farms in areas that can support such US-style agriculture.

And:

Some regions are, however, also looking to develop more specialised smaller-scale farming that has high profitability, particularly in areas that don’t have the terrain for large industrial farms: speciality fruits, vegetables, herbs, teas and products that could take advantage of particular geographies and climates.

One of our key exports, kiwifruit, stem from a plant indigenous to China, and which older Kiwis may recall were “Chinese gooseberries” in pre-supermarket green groceries.

For perspective: China’s land area is 36 times that of New Zealand’s. About 55 per cent of China’s land is agricultural, compared with 43.2 per cent in New Zealand,

With NZ also converting farmland to grow Pinus radiata, I find it interesting that China is undertaking a vast forest planting project, the “Great Green Wall”, whose original announced target is 90 million acres (about 36.42 million hectares). It includes sowing seed from aircraft. Whether it’s succeeding or is shaping up to be an enormous failure is being debated.

China’s big rural change:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/06/countryside-fit-for-a-superpower-inside-chinas-colossal-rural-revamp

China’s forestry Great Green Wall:

https://e360.yale.edu/features/chinas_reforestation_programs_big_success_or_just_an_illusion
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September 7, 2020 10:51am
- Jack5
  
  Bugger all ideas are being floated of how to get NZ on its economic feet, but in New South Wales they are talking hydrogen production and export.
  
  According to Wikipedia:
  
  There are four main sources for the commercial production of hydrogen: natural gas, oil, coal, and electrolysis; which account for 48%, 30%, 18% and 4% of the world’s hydrogen production respectively. Fossil fuels are the dominant source of industrial hydrogen.
  
  In New Zealand we’ve got coal, coal-seam gas, and in Southland a huge resource of lignite.
  
  Do the Greens hate hydrogen as well as CO2? Not that they’re alone in ignorance. For example: an international mining entrepreneur’s attempt to get coal-seam gas extraction and sales moving in New Zealand failed. It couldn’t arouse any interest from our financial community.
  
  Hydrogen and Australia:
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/enormous-opportunities-nsw-s-green-economic-recovery-from-covid-19-20200906-p55srz.html
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:17am
  - cmm
    
    And all these methods are massively inefficient ways of providing energy.
    
    The process of conversion into hydrogen wastes a whole lot of energy. Then it is a pig to store because hydrogen molecules are so small and are readily moved as ions.
    
    The carbon still has to go somewhere. Far better to just burn the coal or gas or use the electricity as electricity.
    
    This is just another “green economy opportunity” aka another massive way to waste energy and money.
    
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    September 7, 2020 12:47pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Biggest issue on my mind is storage and transportation. Currently you can either use Methanol and/or Ammonia.
      Definately would not currently be a good time to do a roadside rescue for the Fire service during a crash, Spill.
      The idea has been floating around for a while and agree NZ best way to produce it via hydro power and Gas. Shame Oil and Gas industry is collapsed by the Government. Bit of own goal there hence Hydrogen is not economically viable however prime opportunity for Tiwai point and Bluff harbour to export from.
      My 2 bobs there.
      http://alsafetydatasheets.com/download/se/Hydrogen_compressed-SE_ENG.pdf
      
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      September 8, 2020 7:54am
  - SB2
    
    Hydrogen can also be produced from , Electrolysis, Bio mass, ethonal and fermintation,
    
    https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_production.html
    
    As to efficiencies,
    
    Electrolysis of water is 70–80% efficient (a 20–30% conversion loss) while steam reforming of natural gas has a thermal efficiency between 70–85%. … This has the potential to reduce the overall cost of the hydrogen produced by reducing the amount of electrical energy required for electrolysis.
    
    Hydrogen production – Wikipedia
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production
    
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    September 7, 2020 1:00pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      it takes approx.10l of water to make 1l of hydrogen
      in my car
      350Km = 55l of petrol
      4.7l of hydrogen = about 56l of petrol
      so approx 4.7l of hydrogen =350km
      the average usage is about 12000Km
      so 30 x 4.7l of hydrogen per year per car
      141l of hydrogen or 1410l of water per car
      5 million cars in NZ
      7mill l of water needed per per year, to run cars
      1/10 of lake taupo.
      Practical???
      
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      September 7, 2020 8:01pm
- Inandout
  
  China has had big rural changes thanks to weeks of flooding and just about every climate disaster known.
  Crossroads with JOSHUA PHILIPP
  He just gives you the facts about China.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:44am
- virtualmark
  
  China can certainly get better at farming and horticulture, and move to higher value products. And they do have a fair bit of land.
  
  But I think the big threat to New Zealand farming is the Netherlands. Truth. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/09/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming/
  
  If (when) Dutch agricultural methods get adopted more widely then many of our productivity (ie low-cost) advantages disappear.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s an excellent article you linked, to Virtualmark. Thank you.
    
    As a layman onlooker, it looks to me that, in New Zealand, rather than push hard into agricultural research, we’ve neglected it by allowing our agricultural universities to be generalised.
    
    Lincoln is a pretty small institution, and Massey appears dominated by crap such as the sociology-multiculturism-politics led by Paul Spoonley.
    
    However, there are slivers of light at Massey, for example. In Kim Hill’s Saturday morning show at Red Radio, there was an intriguing explanation from Massey of research on manipulating plants with ultraviolet light:
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018762730
    
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    September 7, 2020 8:35pm
Captain Mainwaring

Does anyone know why Hipkins and Ardern aren’t on the rack over that disgusting mouldy rotten school in Porirua East when they have all those millions for a rich pricks’ green school in New Plymouth which isn’t even registered as a school?
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September 7, 2020 10:54am
- RJ
  
  Why would they be? Has the media held them accountable for their countless stuff ups. The constant lies and corrupt practise of this government of clowns? Sexual allegations swept under the carpet. Could you imagine the protests from the moronic left if a national youth member had sexually assaulted someone, got off, and permanent name suppression the media would be in court right now to get that name suppression lifted. No these bunch of wankers and their supporters are too moronic to stand up for what is right when their party is as corrupt as we have ever seen.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:05am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    The media are no more corrupt than Meghan Markle and what’s his name.
    
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    September 7, 2020 11:28am
- Ruahine
  
  $50,000,000.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:06am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I am assuming your question is rhetorical.
  But I do remember, after a John Key speech before the 2008 election.
  The Head of Upper Hutt college bemoaning the the leaking roof, dampness, causing mushrooms growing in some hallways of the school.
  After the Clark govt. putting a 5yr moratorium on infrastructure spending on Remutaka schools….
  Didn’t say much about that…did ya Hipkins.
  Not to mention
  Massive hospital waiting list…returning under Ardern
  Cancer patients going to Aus….returning under Ardern.
  Net outward migration…returning under Ardern
  (BTW how are we getting a housing shortage?)
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:07am
- oldfella
  
  CP, I mentioned this yesterday. The headmaster had called out the PM and asked if she would be happy with Neave going to his mouldy and rotten school.
  I guess none of our news media followed up and actually asked Neave’s mother for an answer. Wonder why?
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:08am
- ex-golfer
  
  Their answer – nine long years of neglect has resulted in this problem.
  Its all John Keys fault.
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Alicia’s brother?
    
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    September 7, 2020 2:12pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    or as shaggy would say
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_x6QmuJdms
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:19pm
- JibberJabber
  
  The media aren’t going to kill their Golden Goose by reporting Bad Press .
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Anyone ask why they didn’t get the caretaker to slap a bit of bleach on the mould?
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:14pm
Komata

Captain@1054

Why? Votes old chap, votes.

The ‘Great unwashed’ in Porirua will vote Labour by habit (and probably because their pastor tells them to), the residents of Taranaki; not so likely to, so therefore they (the Taranaki-ites) must be ‘persuaded’ that the great, beneficent CoL has their interests at heart.

What better way than by buying a school ‘cos ‘Think of the jobs that will be created’ etc. etc.

It’s all to do with votes, especially in a region which has ‘Little’ love for Labour or it’s cronies…
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September 7, 2020 11:09am
Loddenthinks

I see the Religion of Peace has been active in Birmingham overnight, with very little coverage in MSM after the initial report. West Midlands Police, one of the more stupid forces in the UK (which is really saying something) have again covered themselves in glory.

Firstly, in what can only be described as brilliant detective work, after several hours they declared they were launching a murder enquiry. This after a “knife-man” stabbed one person to death and injured 6 or 7 others, all captured on CCTV.

Next, they warned members of the public to be vigilant, yet refused to issue any description of the attacker. Literally hundreds of requests were made on their official Twitter account, asking who or what is was they should be vigilant about, and pointing out that Birmingham was one of the more heavily surveiled cities in the world. Eventually, they released a bit of CCTV footage, clearly showing the stabber to be a young, slim man of Middle Eastern appearance.

Finally, in what must be the supreme example of stupidity and desperation, the West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner, David Jamieson, offered this pearl of wisdom”

Jamieson said a rise in violence was “almost inevitable” as a result of the pandemic, with people “not being able to get out, and combine that with people who are now unsure about their future and about their jobs”.

Great Tui ad right there.
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September 7, 2020 11:11am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We first heard about this last night on Aljaz.
  They described the area where the attack took place as “…..the Gay Village”.
  My partner said it didn’t sound like the Birmingham he visited 20 years ago.
  
  Just saying
  
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  September 7, 2020 11:41am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  they gave a very descriptive account of the clothing the attacker wore yet didnt reveal ethnicity/colour yet showed cctv footage that showed his darker complexion.
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:24pm
- SB2
  
  Loddenthinks, you would be wrong about MSM. The BBC for example has given it extensive coverage ,
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-54045143
  
  RNZ too,
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/425378/birmingham-stabbings-police-declare-major-incident-as-several-injured
  
  SO much for your Tui add. BYW What would it say?
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:39pm
- SB2
  
  “Great Tui ad right there”
  
  What did you have in mind?
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:43pm
oldfella

This ‘ban the trans’ rugby story has been around for a few weeks, but now MSN has caught up with it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/world-rugby-criticised-by-dozens-of-academics-for-trans-women-ban/ar-BB18Bjh3
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September 7, 2020 11:16am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah it has been.
  
  But now the woke are hoist by their petard. The laws of physics mean injury and injury means litigation.
  
  Safetyism demands that hulking great men who’ve had their balls chopped off mustn’t play contact sports against real wimmin (albeit pretty big themselves) as the laws off physics follow that the wimmin are going to get badly hurt.
  
  Finally some sort of limit to their loon “equality” and “inclusion” nonsense.
  
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  September 7, 2020 1:16pm
ex-golfer

Stuff has revealed, courtesy of a work colleague, that man who died with conditions related to COVID-19 from the new Auckland cluster had heart problems.
Given COVID attacks the respiratory system, having a heart condition would certainly not be conducive to recovery. Sympathy to his family.
Why, when the death was announced by Ashley Bloomfield last week did he not reveal the pre-existing condition, given he did so with all of the previous deaths?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/122684084/man-who-died-after-contracting-covid19-was-like-family-excolleague-says
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September 7, 2020 11:25am
- fernglas
  
  Because he wanted to scare the shit out of people under 80
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:21pm
Inandout

Lodden, this guy will still ‘Get out’ by entering the mosque through a tunnel, and was probably unemployed anyway.
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September 7, 2020 11:28am
Maggie Pie

Took my toasted pork sammie and the tranny out onto the deck for lunch. It’s obvious Magics Shorn Plunkit never did any research for todays show. He going to spend the next 4 hours talking about….. ‘peoples nicknames’. Fat plonker!
Thank goodness Andrew Dickens is still on ZB every Monday.

Just saying.
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September 7, 2020 12:40pm
- ex-golfer
  
  What was the Tranny having for lunch?
  
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  September 7, 2020 12:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3593/3354808723_9ef724b33b_z.jpg?zz=1
    
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    September 7, 2020 2:03pm
cmm

I listened to a few minutes of RNZ doing a fake news piece this morning.

Suzy Fergusson and one of their journalists did a fake interview with her “asking” questions and him reading scripted responses.

From the sound of it the questions and the answers were not even a single recording but were spliced after the fact to make it sound like an interview.
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September 7, 2020 12:50pm
- SB2
  
  cmm, what was the interview precisely so we can judge for ourselves?
  
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  September 7, 2020 1:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/escaping-cindys-kindy-arnold-difflock
    
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    September 7, 2020 2:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      SB2 wondered/wandered off again – no reply from the troll
      
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      September 7, 2020 5:32pm
- fernglas
  
  Does that surprise you? Have you never wondered how a single camera can capture both the interviewee’s response to a question and the interviewer’s little nod of sympathy? Do you really think that people on the other side of the world get up at 4 in the morning to be interviewed, or even if the person asking the questions is the same one that spoke to the subject?
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:25pm
Paulus

How many of the overseas visitors granted special visas to join the Tarrent sentencing in Christchurch have applied like Gharaman’s Iranian “friend” to stay in New Zealand or is somebody going to lie to me in that they have all gone back to where they come ?
How many today are still in Christchurch ?
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September 7, 2020 1:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Somebody lie to you? Heaven forbid.
  I guess very few will go back to the …….
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:34pm
rockape

Matariki our 12th public holiday. My wife has to work most public holidays. she gets 53$ per hr and gets double time plus a day in lieu for working those days. She is a an ED Nurse practitioner. Thet PH just earned her/cost the tax payer $1400 each year!
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September 7, 2020 2:04pm
DeepBlue

Ardern’s big policy, a new stat holiday from 2022. Matariki will be a Monday or Friday mid winter to boost tourism.

Deckchairs on the Titanic. How out of touch with business and economy can she be.

Hey, only 2500 people had to sign this petition.
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September 7, 2020 2:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is that the first Policy announce to day? Waiting for the “TAX” policy
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:37pm
Durden

The police response to the Birmingham stabbing was weird to say the least.

“Officers were there straight away and he must have been 50ft away. But they tended to the girl.”

“he” was the knifer. Should the police have stopped the man to remove danger to themselves and the public or do what they did–ignored the knifer and just tended to the wounded ?.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12599179/birmingham-knifeman-confronted-man-girl-murder-stab/
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September 7, 2020 2:11pm
Catgurl13

With the promise today of a Matariki public holiday by Labour if the are voted in again……Kanoa will be having an orgasm on the Project tonight as she announces her wish will come true!!!!
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September 7, 2020 2:14pm
Tony Stuart

A major policy announcement from the PM this afternoon; from 2022, Matariki will become the 12th public holiday on the calendar.

Thanks for nothing PM. Sure workers will appreciate another holiday, but do you realise that those of us foolish enough to employ staff will actually have to pay them, even though they’re not working. That’s another day’s productivity lost, and employees come back to work the next day and are chasing their tails to get their work done by the end of the week.

Virtue signalling is fine, but with it come a cost, and it’s small businesses right around the country who will bear that cost. So once again, thanks for bloody nothing PM.
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September 7, 2020 2:15pm
- RJ
  
  What, no new holiday to celebrate corrupt leaders COVID battle. Perhaps a COVID Remembrance Day where she can dress up in all the religious costumes she wants.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:19pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Labour – proudly spending others peoples money since forever!
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:20pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  if you dont vote for cindy you aint maori…
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:23pm
- DeepBlue
  
  And The Herald had her image surrounded by Matariki stars…. She has become god like. Unbelievable.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:51pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It’s a vote-catcher because there are more employees than employers.
  Worst Government ever.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:56pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The irony is that a large proportion of Labour voters don’t bloody well work, so another public holiday won’t make a blind bit of difference!
    
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    September 7, 2020 3:44pm
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      tommorows policy… time and a half and day in leiu to all beneficiaries
      
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      September 7, 2020 5:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t even know what it is.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:56pm
- graham
  
  Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has kicked off her party’s election campaign by announcing that if elected, Labour would make Matariki a public holiday.
  
  To which my reply would be:
  
  “If elected.”
  
  Slightly more seriously, Kelvin Davis said:
  
  … the new public holiday would be a good way to give Māori a chance to share their traditions, history and stories, Davis said.
  
  “None of our current public holidays recognise Māori culture and tradition.”
  
  Huh? Has he not heard of Waitangi Day?
  
  But also, do we actually NEED a public holiday to “give Maori a chance to share their traditions, history and stories?” Every year when Matariki rolls around, there are numerous Matariki festivals and celebrations that take place throughout the country.
  
  Last year there was a Matariki Dawn Karakia at Pukekawa in the Auckland Domain on June 22; then from June 25-30, the team from something called the Maori Kitchen apparently dug up the lawn at Britomart’s Takutai Square to lay down a hangi; the Auckland Harbour Bridge was lit up Matariki every Friday and Saturday night between 6pm and midnight; there were celebrations at Silo Park on the first weekend of July with entertainment, art and food; Auckland Zoo did their bit, running two night sessions in the Domes in July; there was an urban street party held on Federal St in the CBD. And that’s just Auckland.
  
  Television celebrates it, many big companies recognise it and put on events. I swear that there is no way you can possibly live in New Zealand and be unaware that Matariki is going on.
  
  And it not’s like Matariki is the ONLY time that gives “Maori a chance to share their traditions, history and stories.”
  
  As excuses go, this one’s pretty weak Kelvin.
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:03pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I saw the papers saying the PM was going to give us a major policy announcement.
  Instead we get Matariki.
  Bit of a let down. I thought we would be getting something interesting like Tax Policy or even Covid Recovery policy.
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:13pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Costing business’ / employers more money….
    PSST Jacinda…here how you spell
    U N E M P L O Y M E N T.
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:17pm
- Boxing junkie
  
  National will get behind this. It’s just a smart move for many reasons.
  1) Obviously most people like a holiday
  2) We don’t yet have a holiday on our calendar that comes from Tikanga Maori (Waitangi Day is not a Maori holiday)
  3) Public holidays actually produce an increase in domestic spending, particularly for tourism and retail, the economic benefits for the country far outweigh any lost production.
  4) Voting against a public holiday just makes you look like a killjoy to everyone except kiwiblog.
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:48pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You think?
    
    “The issue that it is another public holiday that businesses have to pay for,” Collins said.
    
    “We are seeing big businesses having to shed many staff. We are going to have a lot of holidays for people that they weren’t looking for.”
    
    And ACT leader David Seymour accused Ardern of being in “la la land”.
    
    “Does she know there’s an economic crisis going on?” he questioned in a statement following Labour’s announcement.
    
    “New Zealanders don’t need a day off, they need Jacinda Ardern to take three years off.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/backlash-to-labour-s-promise-of-matariki-holiday-from-2022.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
    
    I think the PM might just have got this one wrong. She has, as they said about Todd Muller a couple of times, misread the room.
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:01pm
    - Boxing junkie
      
      Wait and see. National will get behind this.
      
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      September 7, 2020 5:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I will look forward to reading / viewing items of Jacinda Ardern attending pre-dawn Matariki celebrations each year in the years to come.
  
  I, dear reader, intend staying tucked up in a toasty, warm bed.
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:53pm
- Jack5
  
  Kelvin Davis, Labour’s usually silent deputy leader, says:
  
  “We will work with Matariki experts to design and determine the appropriate dates for the public holiday, but we expect it will always fall on a Monday or a Friday,” Davis said.
  
  Stuff Maori reporter Carmen Parahi says there’s no consensus among Maori about when to observe the (Maori) new year.
  
  “Many use Matariki but iwi in some parts of the north and along the west coast of the country mark Puanga, also known as Rigel, for the new year.”
  
  Puanga is Maori for Rigel, the top star in Orion.
  
  Matariki is the Pleiades, which, Wikipedia explains thus:
  
  The Pleiades, also known as the Seven Sisters and Messier 45, are an open star cluster containing middle-aged, hot B-type stars in the north-west of the constellation Taurus. It is among the star clusters nearest to Earth, it is the nearest messier object to Earth, and is the cluster most obvious to the naked eye in the night sky.
  
  (Messier objects are 110 astronomical objects catalogued by Charles Messier in 1771.)
  
  Orion has been depicted in human objects that date back more than 30,000 years, and the Pleiades and Orion are mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Job.
  
  A term we’re going to hear in determining the date of Matariki, or the rise of Orion, is heliacal rising. This is a star’s first annual rising above the rising just before dawn.
  
  At the Waikato University web site describes Professor Rangi Matamua as one of the world’s foremost indigenous astronomers and scholars leading the revitalisation, protection and dissemination of Maori astronomy and Maori knowledge.
  
  Parahi says Matamua doesn’t think a statutory holiday should be called Matariki. He would prefer to use te matahi o te tau, the new year.
  
  So the rest of us would likely call the holiday Maori New Year.
  
  A relevant site:
  
  https://milky-way.kiwi/stargazing/melotte-22-messier-45-pleiades-subaru-chicken-and-hen-matariki-and-the-seven-sisters/
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:55pm
  - Inandout
    
    Jack5, why didn’t they concentrate on inventing a bloody wheel instead of gazing upward? Such a cossetted race.
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      Note in Waikato University’s notes about Matamua: “One of the world’s foremost indigenous astronomers and scholars leading the revitalisation, protection and dissemination of Maori astronomy.”
      
      Will Maori seek indigenous-copyright protection of “Matariki”?
      
      Koha – utu takoha?
      
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      September 7, 2020 4:34pm
      - SB2
        
        Jack5 , I doubt it . Nobody has sought to copyright e.g the Southern Cross, Orion ,the big Dipper etc
        
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        September 7, 2020 6:42pm
    - SB2
      
      [Deleted – for an obnoxious comment you can have a week off, and to reflect on whether you are really suited to comment at all on here with your constant ability to show zero insight into what is appropriate to write while attacking other posters. Mod.]
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
      
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      September 7, 2020 6:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Edit: This is a star’s first annual rising above the ~~rising~~ horizon just before dawn.
    
    Sorry!
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:26pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Rigel makes more sense as it is bright and has a more southern declination.
    
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    September 7, 2020 5:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Western tribes and South Island Maori were more likely to refer to Puanga (Rigel) than the barely visible Matariki cluster.
      
      https://www.tepapa.govt.nz/discover-collections/read-watch-play/maori/matariki-maori-new-year/what-matariki/difference-between-matariki-puanga
      
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      September 7, 2020 6:43pm
  - SB2
    
    For those like Judy and her followers who quibble about another public holiday, Matarkik could easily replace the entirely irrelevant and meaningless Queen’s birthday.
    
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    September 7, 2020 6:36pm
    - sooty
      
      Why?
      [SB2 is on a weeks break. Mod.]
      
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      September 7, 2020 7:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The date? Oh. Jaspinda wants it to her Birthday?
  Careful here, we have retrospective ledgistration
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:41pm
fightingtemeraire

Comment by the Principal “Would Jacinda send Neve to his school?” the answer will never be known.

By the time she goes to school Jacinda will be in the UN and Neve will go either to an UN school or a private school in the US.
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September 7, 2020 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

Home again after a bit of retail therapy @Westfield and thort i’d share this little tip with the group.
If you’re wearing one of those ‘designer’ face-masks, (mine is bright red), best to make sure you haven’t got a wet nose.

Just saying.
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September 7, 2020 2:27pm
- RJ
  
  Red face mask?
  
  Hmmmm
  
  Maggie’s face mask?
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jaspinda got away with it again this morning. On Red Radio, Commie Dan asked her about Labour’s Tax Policy. She said she was releasing 5 policies this week. The work “Tax” just disappeared.
Be interesting to see if there is a Tax Policy released this week – otherwise, yet another lie
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September 7, 2020 2:30pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  same reply alround this morning.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:44pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Today’s “policy” is a new public holiday.
  One that will have huge popularity, unless you are a business owner having to pay for the “policy”.
  One down, four to go.
  
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  September 7, 2020 2:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  *”WORD” ffs
  
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  September 7, 2020 3:39pm
gorse

Yet another voter bribe, another day off per year, Maori new year to be another public holiday, if Labour is elected. Poor employers, another days pay to fund out of diminishing returns. Don’t politicise it they said, too late, Labour already has.
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September 7, 2020 3:11pm
info@cruzpro.com

Just put the New Zealand Covid19 tracer app on the wife’s phone at her request.

Only 500000 downloads, so about 10% of the population have bothered. Wonder how many of those 10% actually bother to use it?

I have to say it was a PITA to register with verification emails, etc.
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September 7, 2020 3:16pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is more than 10% of adults – let’s say about 20%. About 4 weeks ago each user had used it twice. That is increasing but it is still pitifully low. In other words it is totally useless.
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:34pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    But since a number of places require you to either use the app or physically sign in, the wife thinks it easier to wave her cellphone at the Covid19 sign. Also safer since she won’t have to touch the sign-in materials.
    
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    September 7, 2020 6:55pm
ex-golfer

13 leading doctors and surgeons pen a letter to Victoria’s Dictator Dan about the negative effects of continued lockdowns.
In the letter they point out the inconvenient truth about the number of deaths by comparison to annual death numbers for cancer and heart disease. They also point out that, on average 114 Victorians die every day and so far and on average 3 of those daily deaths have been in some way related to COVID. No one mentions the other 111.
Every day the State is further in lockdown, the less prognosis is completed on other serious and treatable diseases as Victorians have been scared so much they are not going to see their GPs or specialists.
Does anyone think Dictator Dan took any notice?

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/victorian-doctors-pen-desperate-letter-to-dan-andrews-about-controversial-state-of-emergency-bill/news-story/477352005ec852b6dd4b0e8f31f97441
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September 7, 2020 3:16pm
TWEEDSE

Newstalkzb just announced Cindy is making Matariki as a new public holidays holiday.

The article says “This is Labours second major policy of the election campaign”.

Major policy, oh FFS.
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September 7, 2020 3:28pm
- igm
  
  This is irresponsible and totally kicking business in the guts . . . wake up kiwis, we are being ruined!
  
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  September 7, 2020 4:09pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Gotta admit its a winner though. Vote Cindy and get another paid day off.
    
    Thanks Cindy, this one’s on you!
    
    All you businesses, and people who have to pay the wages, all you customers who have to pay increased prices, well you can just fuck off and feel the kindness!
    
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    September 7, 2020 4:51pm
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Some will get more than a day off.
      Some will get 365 each and every year.
      
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      September 7, 2020 7:35pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        And the Unions wonder why more and more employers are looking at:
        1. Automated workplace solutions
        2. Replacing humans with machines (eg, self service kiosks)
        3. Online
        4, AI
        
        If you make it less economic to employ someone, the end result is unemployment for the ones that lack productivity or can easily be replaced with a cheaper alternative.
        
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        September 7, 2020 10:44pm
- greybeard
  
  1. A play for the maori vote.
  2. A distraction from the real problems we face.
  3. An assumption that Labour will be part of a government in 2022.
  
  Stuff is already awash with articles promoting this sideshow.
  
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  September 7, 2020 4:47pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  You just don’t want the citizens of aotearoa to unite…
  
  The economy has no relevance to people’s happiness and should really be discarded.
  
  I’m going to text Lisa Owen on RNZ this evening and proudly claim that the National Party has just lost my vote! (At least I know she’ll read that one out).
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:01pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Such a wise observer of humanity and economy.
    “Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six , result happiness.
    Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery”
    
    ― Charles Dickens, David Copperfield
    
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    September 7, 2020 7:34pm
- alloytoo
  
  That’s one whole man/woman working year for every 260 workers in the country.
  
  How is this going to improve the economy having people work less?
  
  Robbeenomics in action
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:14pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Wages are low in New Zealand because of low productivity. This extra Holliday will help keep wages lower than they could be but it is a hidden “tax” on workers and consumers who will be paying higher prices.
  
  Exporters will be hit harder because they compete globally and will not be able to raise prices like local businesses that do not export. Net result again is a lower standard of living for all Kiwis.
  
  Unfortunately many people don’t realize this and will vote Labour just to get the extra Holliday despite that they won’t actually get any financial benefit from it.
  
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  September 7, 2020 6:06pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Economic literacy is not high in the average NZ voter.
    
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    September 7, 2020 6:45pm
    - riffer
      
      Neither is the ability to actually use fact. Productivity has been on the increase for quite some time, in fact, it has well eclipsed wage rises. You could argue that if we were to match productivity increases with holidays we would need at least three.
      
      https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/productivity
      
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      September 7, 2020 8:37pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I looked up “policy” in my thesaurus….
  There is no mention of “bribe” being an equivalent word…anywhere.
  
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  September 7, 2020 7:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s located under C…
    
    corruption
    
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    September 7, 2020 7:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Attacks on Trump never stop.
https://babylonbee.com/news/anonymous-white-house-source-claims-trump-punched-a-baby/?
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September 7, 2020 3:40pm
Maggie Pie

Listening to HDPA on ‘ZB Drive.’
Sounds like Chris and Khyber are back living on Waiheke ?
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September 7, 2020 4:15pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Carter is still telling porkies too; he said Labour hasn’t sold any state houses, but he’s fibbing:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122149832/government-sells-30m-worth-of-state-houses-after-labour-promised-to-stop-sales
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:53pm
  - RJ
    
    Carter was an absolute dick on the show. Just doing more Cindy bullshit spin
    
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    September 7, 2020 5:57pm
    - sooty
      
      Of course Chris Carter is singing from labours song book.
      They saved his arse when it was hanging out in the breeze and they sent it to Afghanistan for target practice!
      
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      September 7, 2020 7:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Holiday?

Winston says NO
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6188344023001
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September 7, 2020 4:19pm
- riffer
  
  That would be the same Winston that everybody on here said they couldn’t care less hearing from?
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:39pm
ex-golfer

7 Sept 2020 – Leadership:

Scott Morrison (Australia): Announces securing a deal for a COVID vaccine for Australia that could be rolled out to vulnerable Australians as early as January 2021 (subject to ongoing testing)

Jacinda Ardern (New Zealand): Announces a new public holiday to take effect in 2022.

Which do you think will get the most MSM attention?
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September 7, 2020 4:19pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Well blow me down with a feather – Granny Herald has picked up the story:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12362726
  
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  September 7, 2020 4:25pm
- RJ
  
  Been reported before that he was negotiating for New Zealand, Australia and the pacific island, so New Zealand will be part of this deal because on him watch Cindy take credit.
  
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  September 7, 2020 5:41pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Lets hope Morrison has forgotten how undiplomatic Cindy was on his front lawn.
    Labour – piggybacking on the efforts of others since forever.
    
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    September 7, 2020 6:40pm
Jack5

Student-visa rorts continue.

Radio NZ tonight broadcast a report about a university move to set up separate isolation facilities in Auckland to allow foreign students to resume study in the city.

An interesting comment was made by a Chinese student representative. She said that many (did she say thousands?) of Chinese students wanted to return now and continue their studies so they wouldn ‘t lose their rights to NZ work visas. These of course lead to citizenship.

The universities, the polytechnics, and the many foreign owned student colleges in NZ, sold this country out by providing a path to citizenship as the lure to study here.

Time to stop this rort, which is the main cause of the population blow-out (we are at the top of population growth in developed countries).
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September 7, 2020 5:35pm
mikenmildagain

Oh dear…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300100646/several-boats-sink-during-parade-for-donald-trump-in-texas
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September 7, 2020 5:59pm
- RJ
  
  Well we know you find people’s boats sinking and lives at risk funny. We know you think sexual assault is a minor offence. I wonder what dick comment you will make tomorrow
  
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  September 7, 2020 6:11pm
  - Batman
    
    Nobody was in danger, it was self-inflicted which is perhaps the kicker here.
    
    The Travis sheriff’s office released more information about the boat parade:
    – 5 boats sank, 2 towed, 3 still submerged.
    – Most boats that took on water were towed before sinking.
    – Weather was calm. Large boats generated waves.
    – No evidence of foul play.
    
    And please enjoy this lovely photo:
    https://twitter.com/theCanadaParty/status/1302722658933469184?s=09
    
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    September 7, 2020 6:15pm
    - RJ
      
      please enjoy a photo of someone’s sunken boat? Another dick comment. Let’s enjoy the destruction of someone’s hard work to purchase a boat, let’s laugh because it has a trump flag on it. Let us know please when you have an accident or your property is destroyed so we can laugh at you.
      
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      September 7, 2020 6:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Destroyed by the incompetence and carelessness of their fellow Trumpanzees…
        
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        September 7, 2020 6:49pm
      - RJ
        
        Well mike according to you someone that sexually assaults kids on a youth camp has committed a minor offence. You also seems like other labour trolls to defend the sexual abuse that are committed by labour people. You find the destruction of peoples property to be entertaining. Psychopathic comes to mind.
        
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        September 7, 2020 7:42pm
      - wimpston peeeders
        
        batboy and mike are just jealous they dont have boats and a great leader of their country.
        
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        September 7, 2020 8:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Perfect metaphor for Trumpism: in fine weather, rich guys’ boats sink the middle class through incompetence.
      But perhaps I should not rush to judgement: it could have been Antifa saboteurs at work.
      
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      September 7, 2020 6:24pm
Swifty

Very recent Douglas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t97HfUZMEQA

[Mod. Suggestion – you will get more clicks on your link if you give us some context in future.]
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September 7, 2020 7:17pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks, but I am most sure the people I want to see this know who I am referring to.
  
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  September 7, 2020 8:17pm
RW Capitalist

I see the MSM is saying
“both major party’s ” have brought out significant policies today.
Labour…..a new and additional public holiday which is a blatant bribe to unions and Maori organizations.
Which can only hurt the economy they damaged with their ridiculous policies so far.
National bring out a policy to attack our rampant drug problem…the policy of a real govt.
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September 7, 2020 7:29pm
- RJ
  
  Well it is significant to a party that has bugger all policies to release. Plus the Cindy has a reputation for announcing policies but she never delivers. in fact she manages to do the complete opposite if she announces it as a holiday
  
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  September 7, 2020 7:45pm
- niggly
  
  Silly Labour dunderheads, since when has announcing a public holiday become policy?
  
  Somewhat surprised to hear negative comments from some Labour supporters including Maori on talkback radio today, guess when that happens Labour have blown their credibility with their own supporters – oh dear, so more please!
  
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  September 7, 2020 7:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Significant policy” ….. aspiration young man, merely an aspiration.
  
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  September 7, 2020 9:27pm
Master Mariner

https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/crew-change-crisis-global-perspective

Just to put out there.
with 3 ships on our coat on our arms i think highly relevent.
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