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wimpston peeeders

so tuesday (usa time) is showdown for the presidential debates.
Nancy pelosi and other dems are calling for them to be canceled, joes taken 4 days off campaigning to prepare(he had a hard day campaigning friday and was exhausted by 9.30am)

so whats the chances joe…
gets covid.
gets lost on the way
demands it not be live broadcast.

add in riots etc that stop it going ahead

what other “random acts” do you think will prevent the debates happening?
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September 27, 2020 8:02am
- frankflintstone
  
  I have a hard time believing that it is going to go ahead as a live debate as planned….but it it I does I wouldn’t miss it for the world…sleepy joe is going to get monstered
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  The Dem machine is discovering that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Putting up a cognitively impaired Manchurian candidate makes for easy manipulation of said candidate, but increases the risk that previously loyal partisans may actually see though the charade.
  
  Like you, I fully expect Biden won’t participate in the debate. There will be some pretext for him not being available.
  
  If by some miracle he does show, the best strategy for Trump would be to ignore him completely, and use the event as a campaign speech. He definitely shouldn’t ridicule Biden’s mental capacity. It will be obvious to all, and any ridicule could result in sympathy support.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:09am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    yup no ridicule would be wise, although trump will troll and set biden up to make a fool of himself, bidens a joke that writes itself.
    
    I rekon there will be corona fear and biden will be in a seperate studio surrounded by handlers and teleprompters, I seriously doubt he will end up debating side x side with trump.
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:23am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Can’t debate? Can’t be President.
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:33am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    In Politics it’s wipe out or be wiped out. Biden should be shown for what he is: pre-nursing care assessment.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:22pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I was interested in who might be desperate enough to put a post up first on the first morning of daylight saving. Just had to a herder, “mad” little Willie fan, talking about Trump.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:37am
- FatTony
  
  Do the Trump fan-boys realise that lowering expectations for Biden before the debates is exactly what he wants you to do?
  
  The smart strategy is to lower expectations for your side, and raise them for your opponent.
  
  But please, keep doing what you’re doing.
  
  Biden has dementia! He can barely speak in full sentences! Nancy Pelosi is replacing him with a body double it’s a conspiracy!!!!! ??
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:43am
  - fernglas
    
    At least with the debates we will see for ourselves if it is true that Biden is incompetent, rather than having to take Trump’s word for it.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:17pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  He may be “dead” for couple of days.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:57am
- tf78
  
  I just saw a clip of Sleepy Joe saying he’s been in the senate for 180 years – no wonder he is tired.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:49pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Biden also stated US service men & women are stupid bastards. That’ll win him a load of votes from the US Military. Keep it up Joe, you’re doing fine!
    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/09/biden-says-us-service-men-women-are-stupid-bastards-dems-accuse-trump-of-doing-what-they-do.html
    Don’t forget, it’s politicians who put servicemen and women in harm’s way.
    
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    September 27, 2020 2:18pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    And I recently saw the one where he called a room full of service people “stupid bastards”………..
    
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    September 27, 2020 4:29pm
    - chiz
      
      Wow. There are some gullible people here. Biden didn’t mean that “you stupid bastards” comment in a literal insulting way.
      
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      September 27, 2020 5:39pm
      - FatTony
        
        I don’t even think it’s that the trump fan-boys are gullible. It’s that they want to be lied to.
        
        All the trump supporters know he’s lying, but he’s angry at the same people they are, so they love it.
        
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        September 27, 2020 9:16pm
igm

This is the result of increased benefit payments . . . certain people are making a financial killing at the expense of poor bloody overburdened taxpayers:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/122859698/smelling-of-booze-passed-out-at-the-school-gates-grim-tales-of-a-liquor-licence-application
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September 27, 2020 8:11am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Susan St. John this morning on newstalk zb telling us we should all pay wealth tax on an assumed 3% income of any asset except a modest home. So that beneficiary families can get the extra money of working for families.
  
  Is newstalk zb going down the red radio path? I’m so sick of hearing this communist shit every day on red radio.
  
  St John: If you think families need more than they are getting, start a foundation and persuade people to donate. Don’t force taxpayers who have bothered to save up for their families and retirement.
  
  St. John and interviewer were implying that ‘wealthy’ people live frivolous lives “you only need so many dresses”, instead of working bloody hard, often in jobs we don’t like and living frugally. And most importantly: not having children we can’t support.
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Susan St. John once paraded as an expert on super.
    She obviously backs the envy brigade and knows nothing of practical economics, super and taxation.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:27pm
  - Unity
    
    With regard to poor families, does nobody ever think that perhaps there should be some way to give a disincentive to having ever more children when they can’t afford them. Perhaps it should be said that having children whilst on a benefit won’t get them any more money. Mistakes happen but too many are using the benefit as a lifestyle choice and having many children to different fathers so they can receive more money. It doesn’t seem to enter their heads that babies cost money. Probably why so many have bad outcomes and babies taken off them because of dodgy parents.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:10pm
  - tf78
    
    She ain’t no Saint.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:51pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  if we all vote yes to weed theyll be all stoned and begging for kiddies lil chip packets and musli bars to cure their munchies.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tell me where the saved daylight is stored
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September 27, 2020 8:17am
- tf78
  
  Steve, you know where.
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:18am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In the place where the sunlight doesn’t shine.
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:13am
  - Nickc2
    
    Is that where Cindy’s sun don’t shine?
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:16pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  In cyberspace until early April.
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:22am
  - Ruahine
    
    I thought it was in the battery in my clock.
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:02am
- RightNow
  
  Pumped solar. It’s being pumped up Cindy’s butt by the media to give the impression that the sun shines out her arse.
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:24am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    comment of the day!!!
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:11am
  - igm
    
    They are all in receipt of taxpayers’ funding . . . must adhere to her communist narrative.
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:24am
  - RF
    
    Where the sun don’t shine !!!!
    
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    September 27, 2020 6:59pm
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Daylight savings I fucking hate it, its made for poofter city folk.
  imo we should just meet in the middle and adjust 30mins and not worry about it.
  
  Loved it in western australia after they canned it.
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:52am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Lol, 30 mins would be much too complicated. Imagine the confusion!
    
    Still laughing at your expression ‘poofter city folk’ – under Cindy something that hilarious could become ‘hate speech’…
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:40am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      well its made and suited for said poofter city folk to enjoy a bbq and expensive craft beer a tad bit longer into the evening.
      
      Anyone with a real world job/life hates it, so why not just meet in the middle and leave it be.
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:50pm
  - Unity
    
    I love daylight saving and just wish they would leave it there for the whole year. Love the lengthy evenings against being woken up at 4 or 5am and it being dark not long after you get home from work if there was no daylight saving.
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:43am
    - tf78
      
      I loved the sleep in this morning.
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:52pm
      - Anthony Coates
        
        Though you might have had a sleep in, it wasn’t because of daylight savings. This time of year, you lose an hour.
        
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        September 29, 2020 9:49am
  - Jules99
    
    I stay on summer time all year around now. I started doing it when I found it hard to train the dog 2x a year to have a new breakfast/dinner time. Since I work from home, I don’t bother changing the clocks any more.
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Puketifinau-me a poofter?
    I find that the daylight saving regime suits me and my family’s natural rising time. (Teenagers excepted.)
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In carpets, curtains, lawns and chooks.
  
  Others worried that putting their clocks forward would make hens stop laying, curtains and carpets fade faster, and lawns go brown.
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/reintroduction-of-summer-time-on-a-trial-basis
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:04am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    You nearly spilled my coffee!!
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:41am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    We are now onto Daylight Saving hours.
    
    Our cat has yet to make the change, and was scratching on the bedroom door and demanding that her servants fix her breakfast at 9:00 a.m. this morning instead of the customary 8:00 a.m.
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:39am
    - cas
      
      You are lucky. Our cat has taken to hitting the door so it hits the wall behind it. We keep him in overnight so it’s been great not being woken at 5.30am this morning with the thump thump thump.
      
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      September 27, 2020 2:19pm
- Blackbob
  
  It’s in… you know… the thing.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:20am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  In NZ First Foundation.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:57am
- Fletch
  
  Feck, I hate it starting this early. It’s a waste of damn time. The weather doesn’t really fine up until November or December. Should have left it to start after Labour Day like it used to be.
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:53am
hullkiwi

Morning, first day of daylight saving, so happy start to the summer season. However, the bureaucrats to plan it better. Two days of wet weather, not that Auckland and the north dont need it. So, we are a quite happy with that.
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September 27, 2020 8:20am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  its spring and only 1 month into it, summers a ways off yet.
  snow on the forcast and just loaded the fire up with coal yup definatly not summer.
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:05am
Yvette

The Guardian tells the world –
In New Zealand, we saw it in the June quarter unemployment figures. Ninety percent of the 11,000 New Zealanders who had at lost their jobs due to Covid-19 were women.

Now, however, facing the worst global recession since the great depression of the 1920s, the Labour party is returning to being active in the job creation market by borrowing to invest in large-scale private sector infrastructure projects, and promising to create more than 20,000 jobs on “shovel ready” projects.

So how much work in the personal care industries (hairdressers, manicurists, beauticians, domestic cleaners, personal trainers, gymnasiums) – largely done by women convert to “ shovel ready” projects.

In the first major party leaders debate this week, Jacinda Ardern also introduced us to the term “double-duty”, referring to her party’s plans to invest in infrastructure, like the new Dunedin hospital, and in free trades training to create jobs for people to build the hospital. Said Ardern: “We get a double whammy of both building a facility and training our young people.”

Slogans, “shovel ready”, “double duty” are like “go hard and early”, when you did neither (over three weeks to do the first 1,000 tests), or Fyfe, Tyndall and others flew in 7 plane loads of PPE gear to cover shortfalls, or “They are us” when the outcome of the Islamic Women’s Community contribution to the Royal Commission into the Christchurch Mosque Massacres, already available, shows they do not believe that to have been true at all.

So, without being too sexist, explain how does largely “shove ready” employment relieve largely female loss of work?

Jacinda had no Labour policies last Election (hence so many working committees) and now hiding behind Covid-19, she still has no policies, but a trail of utter fuck-ups: kiwibuild, reclassifying povidy, her Maori team destroying more (special schools) than it ever puts in place, Ihuamtao, and counting trees planted but not cut down.

Jacinda. “Skin deep” is an apt slogan
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September 27, 2020 8:21am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  maybe shovel ready will have a few broom/groom jobs for the women?
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:13am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw9mEFn38to
  
  You had better watch out for the ‘skin deep’ 🙂
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:34am
- Blackbob
  
  Because the apparent over representation of Women losing their jobs due to C-19 was false to begin with.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:24am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She just announced she will ban plastic cutlery and save the world. Oh by the way, the stickers on apples will be banned too!
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:59am
  - tf78
    
    Let’s have a movement to bring back “plastic bags”.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:54pm
- giltee
  
  Shovel ready infrastructure jobs has me permanently amused because where’s the skilled labour force to do it? NZ never had enough labour to build 10,000 homes a year, to plant 1 billion trees. With wanting to cut immigrant labour how else was labour going to not only build these houses and plant the trees but how were they going to house the labour force needed? The Transmission Gully job had 100 Australian workers and an Aussie firm managing the job. Ideology doesn’t do the hard graft
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:08am
- Jules99
  
  I don’t know why they don’t train up all those women to code. Probably better paid.
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:32am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Further, Ardern is promising money in the midst of the election campaign. (Once severely frowned on as a class of election treating.)
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:36pm
KevO'Brien

Why don’t the Police do they job they are paid for?
After a flight yesterday the Police spoke to Billy Te Kahika Jr for “incorrectly” wearing a mask. A stewardess had complained about the manner of his wearing it and he may have have been possibly non-compliant under the Civil Aviation Act for not following the orders of the pilot-in-command.*
Police would not initiate proceedings under that Act–this seems like harassment.

Get the crims out of Ihumatao before the people do. Ardern’s R.’s law is not our law and the Police are in severe breach of their duty in not recognising that.
* https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-police-speak-billy-tk-after-mask-incident

☑️☑️Reject the dishonest & incompetent.☑️☑️
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September 27, 2020 8:24am
- MCos
  
  According to the article
  “The Covid-19 legislation does not refer to masks, but the Civil Aviation Act requires passengers comply with orders from the pilot-in-command.”
  There’s been a couple of examples of well know people who have butted heads with the aviation industry without being taken “downtown”. However if Billy TK continues to piss off AirNZ he might be restricted to Intercity buses.
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:48am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  good on billy!! F**k the pigs and stupid mask wearing crap.
  
  im genuinely quite suprised how many are voting for him I know several that are purely for a f**k the govt type vote
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He might well pick up all of the crazy-as-a-loon votes.
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:14am
    - RJ
      
      Na, you just vote for labour
      
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      September 27, 2020 11:50am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      nice to know your voting preferance, I was certain you were a cindy fan for a while there.
      
      more youtube subscribers the labour.
      10-15% Of labours facebook followers.
      
      not bad for a looney party thats only been around a few months. if youre munted enough to believe jacinda youre also munted enough to vote nzpp
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:55pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    im genuinely quite suprised how many are voting for him […]
    
    In 2008, 13,016 people – 0.56% of those who cast a valid vote (13,016 / 2,344,566) – gave their Party vote to The Bill and Ben Party. All they did was waste their vote.
    
    This time around, like it or not, anyone who gives their Party vote for a party other than Labour, National, ACT NZ, or The Green Party, will be wasting their vote, too.
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:23am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      yup I tried to tell a few that but the anti 5g thing has hooked most of the ones I know, as long as it aint a cindy green vote I dnt really care.
      
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      September 27, 2020 10:27am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Todd bro – Any vote for Greens is a waste vote.
      
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      September 27, 2020 11:00am
    - Ruawai
      
      … and giving a percentage of their vote to a party they don’t agree with.
      
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      September 27, 2020 11:01am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Exactly!
        
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        September 27, 2020 12:13pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I genuinely don’t get the downticks. Anyone outside of David Seymour’s electorate who votes for the ACT candidate is merely voting for ardern.
      
      Anyoine who “Party” votes for any party other than ACT or National is voting for ardern.
      
      That’s it in a nutshell for this election.
      
      Like it or lump it and if you don’t vote wisely then you are effectively returning ardern and the stupidity that she brings.
      
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      September 27, 2020 11:24am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        ☑️☑️
        
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        September 27, 2020 12:38pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    I wouldn’t vote for his ‘party’ for a myriad of reasons…. but I admire him for calling out the stupid Covid mind control bullshit. And he squeezed the most publicity out of it too!
    
    G’donyer mate! ???
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:54am
    - Crisplion
      
      The problem is that by promulgating lunatic ideas like the 5G conspiracy theory he gives the media an excuse to portray all critique of the government’s response to COVID as unhinged.
      
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      September 27, 2020 2:34pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes Crisplion I agree.
        
        I went on the first Auckland Freedom March and I was amused and yet disappointed with the anti-1080 types the 5G conspiracy theorists and the other loonies that made up the bulk of the protesters.
        
        It’s rather sad that the only visible kick back against the Marxist cabal seems to be coming from the fringe dwellers of society.
        
        Where are the ordinary rational kiwi citizens? Are they all cucked and hiding on their garden sheds?
        
        What will it take for the silent majority to wake the fuck up?
        
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        September 27, 2020 5:24pm
- doggone7
  
  Every single day police do the job they’d paid for. Are you suggesting in every situation they apply the paint by numbers rule? No discussion, ‘the rule says what it says, you did it, charged.’
  And take idiot wannabe politicians in for not wearing a mask? And people like you and me doing 51kph in the wrong zone?
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:14am
  - MCos
    
    It’s called using their discretion.
    
    Reminds me of the time I offered to referee my boy’s rugby game when he was at primary school.
    I used a bit of discretion otherwise the game would never have moved along.
    Unfortunately the Dads on the sideline treated the game as if every missed knock on meant their boy would never play for the ABs.
    The kids didn’t care until Dad put the bug in their head.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:33pm
Nukuleka

I love riling and goading my Jacinda- loving friends by pointing out how well Tonga has done by keeping Covid 19 out of their islands. I know Tonga well, with its poverty, its porous border controls, its 3rd world health system, its rampant corruption and less than law-abiding population. Yet it has managed to do something that we as a first world South Pacific island nation have failed to do.
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September 27, 2020 8:27am
- hullkiwi
  
  Nukuleka, I would like to suggest, you are parading your knowledge and experience of Tonga in a manner that is offensive to all left wingers, and you must stop this. Just as Judith hurt their feelings and showed up their lack of knowledge about Samoans in Auckland, you are showing up their lack of knowledge of Tonga. That is just not fair of you. So, stop and apologise to the leftards.
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:53am
- MCos
  
  ‘my Jacinda- loving friends‘
  
  Sure
  
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  September 27, 2020 2:01pm
Justitia

Coming soon to a place near you: a bought election facilitated by the corrupt media, the destruction of the agriculture sector, financial ruin and widespread shortages of food and fuel and shelter. Let’s keep moving towards the Labour -Greens apocalypse.
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September 27, 2020 8:29am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Next step: communist seizing of assets because Tax is Love.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:02am
godruelf

Maybe the best solution would be for Air NZ not to accept any further business from Billy TK for a year or two. It’s a long drive/Ferry ride back to Wellington.
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September 27, 2020 8:30am
- doggone7
  
  There’ll be some amongst his fruit loop supporters who believe he could fly there without using a plane. Or a ferry over the strait.
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:17am
G152

Getting a bit nit picky if there is a ‘right’ way to wear a mask.
How does one drink (or eat) if there is no way to move the mask?
Air NZ -does- still cater to its captive audience ???
And all the BS about the air circulation in an aircraft cabin seems to have fallen by the way (as most pilots knew would happen)..
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September 27, 2020 8:33am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Phil Goff has demonstrated a pretty useless way: hook it under the nose so your snot can travel far and wide.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:03am
old skool reactionary

The global media now report the number of cases of COVID, no longer focusing on deaths because that number continues to decline. It is minuscule. Hospitalizations are also next to nothing.

AND the definition of “cases” now means any positive test result. A “case” use to mean someone who turned up at the hospital they were so sick and THEN tested positive.

The so called 2nd Wave is just positive test results for SARS-2, a large number of which are false positives (30%?). And they want to use this to do more brutal lock downs around the planet?!!

So everywhere governments went slow and too late including NZ, meaning unnecessary lockdowns. Months later when it is now obvious SARS-2 is not the end of the world, the same muppets want to do more brutal lock downs.

Getting harder and harder not to believe this is a conspiracy hoax to impoverish and strip us of our basic freedoms.
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September 27, 2020 8:43am
- birdhaven
  
  Yes read this article in the NZ Herald on line.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12368235&fbclid=IwAR11KgaO7uqJfDabLi9bf4G_0i9tfuGxb2TSCrcJygaOeQSLq3VP5pY-qUo
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:21am
  - birdhaven
    
    I now see the herald have removed it, maybe the CCP threatened them.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:04pm
- krazykiwi
  
  This is a trail run. Easily misled and subsequently terrified populations are a petrie dish for the growth of a global technocracy.
  
  My Nigerian uncle is more trustworthy than a politician with a scientist standing alongside.
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:34am
  - giltee
    
    And meanwhile the place the virus started is being more aggressive, doing very well financially out of what they started and nearly there with 2 new vaccines.
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:19am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I used to do quite a few trail runs, good to get off-road for a race at times. Not sure the government should be running those sort of events though…
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:59am
- tf78
  
  osr – I think it’s now called a ‘casedemic’.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:28am
- Ruawai
  
  They also report on total cases but this is the total that have ever been tested, not taking off those that have recovered or those that have never been tested and may have it or have had it.
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:04am
hullkiwi

On the subject of weather, rain and water, on Friday, Goofy/Auckland Council and Watercare eased water restrictions for Auckland. This despite the dams being on average 28% below usual seasonal averages and no remedial measures have been put in place for Rodney.

In Rodney, if there is a dry summer, there will be problems. Warkworth relies on a single reservoir feed by an underground water table. The problem is many of us up here know there has been insufficient winter rain to replenish water sources. We know because on our property cracks in the ground 5hat open last summer are still there and ground beneath is none dry. If we are just 1 rural block of land in Rodney, what of the rest of the district?

To add to Warkworth’s water woes, more development on the edge of the town is planned, where will water resources come from for these developments? Where is the strategic thinking and planning of Auckland Council and Watercare?
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September 27, 2020 9:04am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  Jaffaland will be on heavy restrictions by end of january, Goff will get cindy to go heavy handed and thieve more water from the taniwha.
  
  enjoy more mismanagement and wastage 🙂
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Here is an idea – build a couple of dams. How long since the last major urban water supply dam was built in Auckland and Northland?
  
  The same goes for Hawkes Bay. Build a dam that can supply water for irrigation looking ahead 100 years and levy farmers over a long time period to recover the costs.
  
  Why can’t this country join the developed world and build roads, dams and other vital infrastructure? All this could be paid for and more by scrapping absurdly wasteful current and capital expenditure. Northland and Hawkes Bay run dry while we give money to people to “research and write the first draft of a novel about male affection in hypermasculine spaces”. No I did not make that up.
  
  New Zealand deserves better.
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:57am
  - Ed Snack
    
    HB can get enough water from aquifers, but not for widespread agricultural irrigation. Poor management of water by over permitting is most of the problem.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:02pm
    - Sacha
      
      The Greens have got the idea –
      Shut Down the Farming Industry – Save Water for the Cities!
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:32pm
  - fernglas
    
    Think about the snails. How could you put your shower ahead of a mollusc?
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:20pm
- lifesgood
  
  You should be loving today’s rain, then. It’s thundering down in Auckland so must be heading your way. Auckland is an absolute basket case, apart from water restrictions, damaged railway tracks, a broken harbour bridge, stage 2 covid policy, while the rest of the country has stage 1, we have overpaid councillors incapable of putting any decent infrastructure in place despite the hordes moving into the city. It’s about time new immigrants were told they can’t live in Auckers until the city can cope.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:01am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It rained, stopped, rained some more, has stopped again, and is now blue skies with sunshine.
    
    As others have posted, Auckland and Northland need more investment in dams.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:34pm
    - Sacha
      
      Anyone with a back-yard in Auckland should be collecting rain water in their own tank(s), and learning how to use it wisely.
      If they had to pay a premium for water from the ‘grid’. they’d soon get the idea.
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:37pm
Catgurl13

Jack Tame giving Carmel Sepuloni a bollicking on Q&A asking why they waited a year to lift benefit rates……she answered they couldn’t do everything at once…..she is such a thick as trougher…..[Deleted – leave family out of your argument. Mod.],of course Carmel is also herself is another entitled bint. Louise Upston answering well and looking more professional than Carmel.
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September 27, 2020 9:23am
- Megatron
  
  Regardless of what you think of Sepoloni or Upston, they both should have told Jack Tame to STFU with his continual puerile questioning. I would not cross the street to piss in his ear if his brains were on fire.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:23pm
Albert_Ross

Saw a headline in my Google feed – Party vote Green if you want to keep Jacinda as PM, Shaw urges supporters.

Well, I don’t, so I won’t. But hypothetically, suppose I did want to keep Jacinda as PM. Under what circumstance would party-voting Green be a better tactic than party-voting Labour to achieve that objective?
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September 27, 2020 9:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It looks like the Greens are desperate with that slogan.
  
  The Greens are economic vandals. Can’t wait to be rid of them.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:34pm
Catgurl13

What’s up with Laila Hare hands shaking so much on Q&A?…..is she really nervous or is it something more?.She was faulting National yet this woman kissed up to a rich trougher Mr Dotty com….she’s an old hasbeen why so they even have her on there?
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September 27, 2020 9:42am
- Unity
  
  I think it is some medical condition she has but not Parkinsons. I have long noticed her shaking hands. Goodness knows why they still have on the Panel.
  
  Jack Tame is very irritating the way he continually interrupts and shouts over those trying to answer.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:21pm
oldpark

Virtually breaking news on Newstalk ZB . 1700 NZs Doctors have signed a petition coming out in opposition to the fancy name “End of Life Euthanasia Legislation”. They are completely opposed to it . They know it is hard to polish a turd . Better known as “Legal Suicide”.
That being the result and opposition by NZs Learned Doctors, who will be available to carry out the “Legal Suicide” of whose wishes . “Look before you Leap” might be the perfect adage for everyone on their choices to live or die should the quietly massaged “Legal Suicide” Referendum beat the “Say No to Dope Referendum” .
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September 27, 2020 9:42am
- fernglas
  
  There are nearly 14,000 doctors in this country. If I can find even one who is prepared to assist me to commit suicide when I choose to I will be delighted
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:23pm
Happychappy

National look backwards say Rod Oram,
and no longer the party of business.
Why is it the Green commenters that think they know what business wants or do has anything to do with National being no longer the party of business and why create a phantasy about in a article that is crap but designed to sway voters towards the Government.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/rod-oram-why-national-is-no-longer-the-party-of-business
The media have to many fuckwits creating their own agenda in columns in NZ and then wonder why people are turned off on their stories and have stopped paying for the crap they write with little truth to back up what they have written.
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September 27, 2020 9:43am
BeeJay

I just can’t understand why Democrats would automatically oppose the appointment of Justice Amy Coney Barrett just for the sake of opposing her because she would be appointed by Trump’s administration. Surely if she’s qualified for the job, and it certainly appears that she is, why oppose it at all? Maybe there’s someone who knows more about SCOTUS appointments than I do, (and that’s probably most FB contributors), could offer an explanation? (I’m not talking about the timing issue pre-election, just the appointment itself?)
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September 27, 2020 9:52am
- fernglas
  
  “(Catholic judges) are obliged by oath, professional commitment, and the demands of citizenship to enforce the death penalty. They are also obliged to adhere to their church’s teaching on moral matters.”
  
  Perhaps that statement by her is a start. In America, where judges are highly politicised, not everyone agrees with her views. That’s called democracy.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This seems to have escaped the main news outlets:
Labour pledges $20M to the 4 Maori Boarding schools

https://www.teaomaori.news/new-20-million-fund-support-maori-boarding-schools-labour-election-promise

At $5M/school, that’s quite a bit less than Taranaki’s Green School is getting.
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September 27, 2020 10:01am
- RJ
  
  Scoop have been running it. I wonder if labours plan to release it just before a major storm to escape the news will fail. Storm gave us 3o minutes of rain a bit of wind now it is nice and sunny.
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:06am
- Ruawai
  
  Don’t these schools already get state funding and probably extra for being low decile??
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    but looks like all of them need some building upgrades.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:59pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Maggy, I don’t know what is happening in your part of the world in your local Maori seat, but up here in the North(Te Tai Tokerau – Kelvin Davis), we may be in for an interesting election result.
  
  Mrs HK overheard 4 Maori women complaining bitterly in the supermarket the other day. Their sentiments were something like this, ” 3 years ago Labour got elected promising us everything. We got nothing for it, and now we are losing our jobs, so stuff them”.
  
  So, Kelvin may have an interesting night, as none of them are on the list, an Te Tai Tokerau is an interesting 3 way race.
  
  Couldn’t happen to a more clueless individual.
  
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  September 27, 2020 3:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Our East Coast electorate is between 3 Maori Women…
    Tania Tapsell (N) – a newbie
    Kiri Allan (L) – a list MP
    and
    Meredith Akuhata-Brown (G).
    Meredith is the only Gisborne local… a Kaiti girl, but she’s been a polarising City Councillor and probably won’t pick up many votes.
    
    For Ikaroa-Rawhiti there is:
    Meka Whaitiri (L) who has a pretty solid base..
    Heather Te Au Skipworth (Maori Party) who seems to be well connected in the Hawkes Bay
    Dr Elizabeth Kerekere (Greens) Lives in Kaiti, but might not be well known beyond the Rainbow community
    
    and a few other folk standing for tiny parties.
    (no-one standing for N)
    
    I’m not sure if Tania Tapsell will hold East Coast for National…. Kiri Allan was gaining on Anne Tolley last election…
    
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    September 27, 2020 5:56pm
Critical Thinker

HUGE! CDC and Fauci’s NIAID Add Non-Pneumonia Deaths to US COVID-19 Totals Unlike Other Countries! — If These Deaths are Removed US Has 86,000 COVID-19 Deaths

For months doctors and investigative journalists have wondered why US coronavirus death counts include motorcycle accidents, homicides, birth defects, gunshot wounds and thousands of intentional injuries and poisonings to the US Coronavirus death totals.

It’s almost as if the medical elites are doing all they can to pad the coronavirus death counts?

If the US followed the same system as much of the world the total number of coronavirus deaths in the US would be 86,000 or something you’d see in a bad flu season.
?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/huge-cdc-faucis-niaid-add-non-pneumonia-deaths-us-covid-19-totals-unlike-countries-deaths-removed-us-86000-covid-19-deaths/
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September 27, 2020 10:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-drives-around-playing-mailbox-baseball-in-new-vote-suppression-scheme/
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September 27, 2020 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/brilliant-trump-puts-himself-on-all-postage-stamps-forcing-democrats-to-abolish-the-usps/
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September 27, 2020 10:16am
- Ed Snack
  
  It was funny to see a Babylon Bee story about NBA players wearing lace collars on their strip to “honour” RBG being taken up and circulated by some MSM outlets.
  
  Obviously it is a problem being a satire outfit these days, every time you think you have a good satirical take real life overtakes you.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:05pm
krazykiwi

President Donald Trump on Saturday selected Judge Amy Coney Barrett to fill the Supreme Court seat left empty by the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg just one week ago
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September 27, 2020 10:17am
- lifesgood
  
  Excellent! Now watch the left lose their minds.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Barrett, age 48, is a Roman Catholic and the mother of seven children, two of them adopted from Haiti. Her youngest child has special needs.”
  
  Using the left’s tactic, anyone opposing her must be a religious bigot who despises people of color and who disrespects those with special needs.
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:21am
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    im awaiting triggered democrat riots…
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    …but oppose her they will, can’t have a right wing reactionary sitting on the US Supreme Court bench.
    
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    September 27, 2020 10:46am
  - oldfella
    
    And, KK, right on cue the unhinged attacks from the left begin, labelling Barrett a white supremacist because she adopted black children…. (you can’t make this stuff up).
    
    Ibram X. Kendi, a top proponent of racist critical race theory and author of the bestselling book “How to Be an Antiracist,” attacked President Donald Trump’s likely Supreme Court nominee, federal Judge Amy Coney Barrett, as a white supremacist on Saturday for adopting two children from Haiti.
    “Some White colonizers ‘adopted’ Black children,” Kendi wrote on Twitter. “They ‘civilized’ these ‘savage’ children in the ‘superior’ ways of White people, while using them as props in their lifelong pictures of denial, while cutting the biological parents of these children out of the picture of humanity.”
    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/26/anticapitalist-sponsored-by-twitter-ceo-accuses-amy-coney-barrett-of-colonialism-for-adopting-from-haiti/
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:59am
  - Komata
    
    KK@1021
    
    And even worse; she might have ‘Stolen’ her adopted children from their Haitian parents…
    
    Although a tweet suggesting that appeared a very, very short time after her nomination was announced, noticeably the tweeter didn’t offer any comment about the mysteriously-disappearing Clinton Foundation funds intended to go to Haiti to help with disaster relief…
    
    Evidently, things are completely different when Saints Hillary and William are is involved.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:03pm
  - RJ
    
    CNN live cross on this announcement
    
    https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1309976651007012864
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:25pm
Catgurl13

On the Marae prog that revolting Meka Whaitiri was on there. How this woman is still in her job after physically attacking her staffer is insane. She should have been booted out straight away. Labour obviously condone violence in the workplace by the perpetrator.
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September 27, 2020 10:23am
- Swifty
  
  Ardern cut Mega Fightery some slack to avoid a rebellion from the Maori caucus.
  
  I remember reading something at the time from one of the Maori caucus members along the lines of “If the Party comes for Mega then they’re in for a real scrap, because she’s one of us and we’ll back her….”
  
  Just think about that for a minute and reflect on the values that suggests (we don’t care if she bashed her staff member, she’s Maori and she’s not going anywhere) and that they reveal themselves as just a big (taxpayer funded) gang, roaming around in our Parliament.
  
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  September 27, 2020 2:27pm
Tricati

Getting a bit tired of the endless articles having a crack at Nationals budget, yet no scrutiny over labour removing the kiwisaver contributions, which they laid into National for doing after the GFC & Christchurch earthquakes.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/122890171/why-paul-goldsmith-cant-read-numbers-or-the-public-mood
How about these media experts asking Robo how his $11 Billion shortfall was looking just before covid, and the fact he had to borrow around $16 Billion for his recession avoiding stimulus package. It was covid that saved his bacon and he is out criticising Nationals budget when he had spent the surplus, he inherited in less than 3 years.
Time for Judith to up the ante on this topic.
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September 27, 2020 10:35am
wimpston peeeders

Wow labour has announced a massive policy, apple stickers and plastic spoons will be goneburgers.

yes cindy your virtue looks big in anything you wear (hijab is max virtue tho)
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September 27, 2020 10:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Are they promoting those “chook” burgers too? No chicken there. Next, it will be Daisy burgers for fake beef.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh no…
  I’ve only half-filled my apple sticker album…
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2749000/Has-gone-bananas-Former-greengrocer-collected-30-000-stickers-pieces-fruit-wife-complains-spends-time-her.html
  
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  September 27, 2020 3:20pm
Littletramp

Rather than watching Jamie Lee Ross on TV3 this morning, I switched to TV1 and “Marae” where two of the candidates (Labour and Maori party) for one of the Maori seats were being interviewed.
Question was about their thoughts on Maori wards being approved in the New Plymouth District Council, and the fact they were subject to approval by citizen referenda.
Labour’s answer was that when Labour gets to govern alone, they plan to simply will pass legislation to abolish the right to hold citizen referenda as part of the decision process. What?
Yes, he goes on to say they want to “avoid the tyranny of the majority”.
I find this astonishing that he can calmly sit there and state the Labour policy to stomp on a democratic process.
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September 27, 2020 10:44am
- Catgurl13
  
  It’s just a shame both those candidates are all for blame and troughing when they could be encouraging their own people to get up and get something for themselves. Debbie is quite intelligent, she is sadly paddling the wrong canoe backwards.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

So, sounds like OneEwes have decided to make their token Maori intros and goodbyes permanent.
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September 27, 2020 10:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And all over the place the token ‘Aotearoas’ and ‘Tamaki Makauraus’ are becoming the order of the day, not to mention the ridiculous new name for Land Transport NZ.
  Did we vote for this nonsense?
  
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  September 27, 2020 10:59am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes you did on Oct 2020.
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    “What’s in it for wynston” did thank you 😉
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:17am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    How does the increased use of te reo hurt you?
    
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    September 27, 2020 11:41am
    - wimpston peeeders
      
      by forcing racial seperatism.
      its just another us and them thing. Also 95% of nz dosent understand it beyond a few token words.
      
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      September 27, 2020 12:33pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And 95% of NZ includes 66% of Maori.
        
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        September 27, 2020 5:12pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Actual harm is irrelevant, I need a safe space from it.
      
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      September 27, 2020 2:13pm
  - oldfella
    
    CM, I just want the media to be consistent and, from now on, when the media mentions “Oranga Tamariki”, they stop using that shortened form and give it the full and correct name of “Oranga Tamariki – Ministry for Children”.
    Because it’s supposed to be an organisation supporting all NZ’s children, even if most of the abused ones are Maori. /sarc
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:06pm
  - Unity
    
    It’s just so irritating and all it does is completely put me off the Maori language. Actually I’m getting to the stage where anything ‘Maori’ is turning me off big time when in the past I’ve never really thought about it, just thinking we are all New Zealanders. Certain people are definitely trying to Maorify our country right down to changing the name. I’m totally off “aotearoa” too because it’s obvious what they are trying to do by spouting it at every turn.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Extinction Burst – describes the left perfectly.
https://uafreport.com/rich/wanna-know-how-trump-drives-liberals-in-the-media-clinically-insane/?
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September 27, 2020 11:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh look, the downtickers throwing a tantrum. Predictable
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:09pm
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    They have a mental disorder Steve.
    
    It’s beyond me though why the Kiwiblog censorship programme doesn’t remove them.
    
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    September 27, 2020 12:23pm
RJ

Not very nice for someone to call their troops stupid bastards, hmmm real or fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-pgsfHKfWY&feature=youtu.be
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September 27, 2020 11:26am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  ron burgendy moment? He will read ANYTHING on the teleprompter
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:59pm
- RJ
  
  Another view, so looks legit
  
  https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1309604720546373633
  
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  September 27, 2020 5:14pm
Colville

Have a look at the comments section on this if you want to gauge the mood of the nation…and this is on “so left its horizontal” Stuffed…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300117529/election-2020-labour-would-ban-plastic-cutlery-apple-stickers-and-throwaway-coffee-cups-by-2025#comments
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September 27, 2020 11:35am
- wimpston peeeders
  
  how will we know what flavour apple we eat? o yeah just label the big plastic bag theyre in.
  
  theyd make more difference if they banned junk plastic crap imported from china. or even ban excess packaging.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:38pm
Maggie Pie

Finally, able to attend early Mass again this morning.
Sat there thinking to myself how desperate would you need to be to have sex with a Security Guard?
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September 27, 2020 11:36am
- Ruahine
  
  Asking for some friends Maggie.
  Were sex workers classified as ‘essential’ workers during the Level 4 and level 3 Lockdowns respectively?. Some seem to think that it would be all O.K. as long as he had the Condom and she had the Facemask.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:52pm
  - wimpston peeeders
    
    well during level 4lockdown there was at least 1 woman in nz screwing a whole country and wasnt a mask or condom in sight.
    
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    September 27, 2020 2:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Just let your female friends know, if they stand at the sink looking out the window, Facemasks aren’t an issue.
    
    (But i’ll tell you what was spooky Rua – when Father Mulcahy ascended the pulpit this morning, he began with a reading from Gospel of John vs 8:7)
    
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    September 27, 2020 3:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’ll wait for reports of stone-throwing in Remuera.
      
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      September 27, 2020 3:11pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        “Let they who be without sin cast the first stone!”
        A rock flies through the air and hits the woman in the head. Jesus turns around and says, “Sometimes you really piss me off Mother”
        
        😀
        
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        September 27, 2020 3:33pm
Durden

The Green Party — the party that keeps blackmailing to get their own way. And then sends out James Shaw to lie and cover up.

Remember the Wellington Council getting rolled on the new tunnels, Genter is back again, un-equivocally demanding Wealth Tax as a bottom line. In fact it is worse, she says the whole tax system needs to be changed.

Extreme left wing communists.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/211-heather-du-plessis-allan-24837940/?keyid=Heather%20du%20Plessis-Allan%20Drive&keyid=Barry%20Soper%3A%20Wealth%20tax%20%27a%20bottom%20line%27%20for%20a%20Greens-Labour%20government&sc=podcast_widget
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September 27, 2020 11:36am
- RJ
  
  Black mailing to get their own way? You mean every party involved with mmp? That’s how the minor parties get what they want, and when the major parties need something that they don’t have support for get it as well.
  
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  September 27, 2020 11:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So, do the Greens have a policy on wealth-tax bottom lines or not?
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/greens-james-shaw-says-wealth-tax-priority-but-not-bottom-line-labour-coalition
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/barry-soper-wealth-tax-a-bottom-line-for-a-greens-labour-government/
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:13pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That obnoxious woman Genter left the US because Trump became President. Has she promised to go back if Biden beats him?
  
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  September 27, 2020 5:16pm
  - marcw
    
    Genter has been in NZ for much longer than 4 years Captain.
    
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    September 27, 2020 6:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, it was Yanks voting for George W. Bush that convinced her to not to return to the USA… but she has expressed a view that having Trump was just as bad as having George W. Bush. as Presie.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/JulieAnneGenter/videos/it-looks-like-trump-may-be-president/1352613424750965/
    
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    September 27, 2020 6:19pm
Surely Knott

Couple returning to America to get affordable lung cancer drug that NZ won’t or can’t fund. Hipkins says he doesn’t want to second guess Pharmac.
But what the article doesn’t mention is that the drug is also subsidised in Australia. NZ falling behind first world countries. And the problem isn’t equality the problem is our national income.. https://www.pm.gov.au/media/help-way-lung-cancer-patients
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September 27, 2020 11:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  We’ll never afford those drugs if we keep voting for Labour Governments which destroy the economy because that’s all they know how to do.
  
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  September 27, 2020 5:18pm
Fletch

SO Labour have come out an announced their new policy – on getting rid of single-use plastics by the year 2025. What a waste of damn time. No one cares. And we need single use plastics now, more than ever, what with the virus about, and the unsuitability of reusable bags that carry germs. And those paper bags seem more unsustainable than plastic. Every supermarket dropoff is delivered in them. How much paper is used to make these things? And water?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/slew-single-use-plastics-go-2025-if-labour-elected-govern

Liberal rubbish by a woke govt. Here’s George Carlin on saving the planet (includes occasional f-bomb).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
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September 27, 2020 11:59am
- [email protected]
  
  Darn you. Watching one George Carlin video leads to another, then another and soon you realize that half an hour has passed.
  
  For those of you that might not know, George was originally a stand-up comedian that wore a coat and tie (really)! He got kicked out of Las Vegas after calling the audience a bunch of a-holes ( he was having a bad night).
  
  George, his wife and son moved to Venice Beach California (next door to me) and metamorphosed into the hippy-dippy weatherman.
  
  He grew a beard, smoked a bit of dope and practiced his new routines nightly (for free) at a small coffee house called The Other Side.
  
  I never laughed so much for months.
  
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  September 27, 2020 7:14pm
Steve Todd

Just finished watching my recording of Q+A.

Wow! If National want to lead the government as from Thursday 19 November, they must keep Louise Upston out of the public eye, from today onwards.

That woman is electoral death.
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September 27, 2020 12:09pm
- Durden
  
  Steve, From memory you are the go to person for MMP questions.
  
  Isn’t there a huge difference in the party votes that a party like ACT need to get more seats in the parliament versus National which needs a darn sight more to add an extra seat?
  
  Do you have an estimate of how many votes equal to 1 seat for ACT.
  
  I appreciate it depends on how many electorate seats they win.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:17pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Hi, Durden—
    
    Have a look at this chart: https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2017/statistics/party-quotients.html.
    
    Notice how, in 2017, ACT NZ’s 13,095 Party votes meant it was allocated the 95th seat. Also, note how National was allocated the 120th seat with a quotient of 10,379.054 (1,152,075 / 111). Prima facie (and all else being equal, etc.), that means ACT would have been allocated the 120th seat had it received only 10,379 Party votes.
    
    As you will see in the link, above, and no doubt know anyway, the Sainte-Laguë seat-allocation formula is implemented by dividing the respective party’s Party vote totals, by 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, etc., and allocating the seats to the parties in descending order of the quotients so obtained, until all 120 seats have been allocated.
    
    That means, in 2017, ACT would have needed a minimum of 31,137 Party votes (10,379.054 x 3 = 31,137.162) to be allocated a second seat. In 2017, a total of 2,591,896 valid Party votes were cast. That means, to get a second seat, ACT needed 1.20% of the Party votes, instead of the 0.50% it actually received. And, it would have needed a minimum of 51,895 Party votes (2.00%) to be allocated a third seat (10,379.054 x 5 = 51,895.27).
    
    Given that, hopefully, we are likely to see a greater turnout next month than the 79.75% recorded in 2017, and that there are going to be significantly more valid Party votes cast, ACT will likely need somewhere around 33,000+ votes, to be allocated a second seat (and about 55,000+ votes, to be allocated a third seat).
    
    I hope the foregoing gives you the information you sought.
    
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    September 27, 2020 1:29pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Just to clarify, coming up with figures the way I have is fraught with difficulty. They depend on turnout, the number of parties that cross the threshold, and the percentage of wasted Party votes.
      
      Also, when I referred to ACT being allocated a second, or third, seat, I was referring to such seats being the 120th seat to be allocated. In other words, my estimated numbers of Party votes ACT will need next month, are minimum figures.
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:48pm
      - Durden
        
        Great information as always. Thank you very much. I still have to absorb those links. Still complicated for the common voter to understand. From your posts on STV, that system is even worse for average voter although it might be fair. No 9ne should be asked to vote using a system they don’t understand.
        
        I find that anything that cannot be easily understood and used by a lay person,but requires trust in a specialist, is a bad thing for democracy.
        
        On a slight tangent, I have the same view on anything you are being charged for that you cannot understand the charges and compute them for yourself. A good example is money transfers or mortgage payment calcs. The ultimate is climate change greenhouse gas emission calcs. The company doing the calculation and charging, usually says trust us, it is too complicated for you to understand.
        
        In my experience you definitely must not trust them.
        
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        September 27, 2020 11:57pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Thanks, Durden.
        
        At first sight, these things look hard, but they’re not really. My STV mentor, who, very sadly, is no longer with us, once told me that when Isaac Newton developed calculus in the 17th century, his papers describing this new branch of mathematics were extremely complicated. It took others to simplify the calculations, to the point where, today, anyone can be taught it.
        
        It’s the same with divisor methods of allocating seats to parties (such as the Sainte-Laguë method), or seats to (US) states (such as the Method of Equal Proportions). I’m no mathematician, but I am interested in these things, so, many years ago, I set out to learn and understand how they work.
        
        If you want a better understanding of how NZ STV works, I recommend you read my five explanatory papers, at https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/in-defence-of-stv-2/, particularly the third and fifth papers. The five PDFs are set out at the foot of the article, “In defence of STV”.
        
        As you read through the fifth article, which describes in meticulous detail how the votes in the 2004 Cargill Ward (Dunedin) election were counted, you will see just how logical and straightforward STV is – and that it can easily “be understood by a lay person.” As I say to people who tell me STV is too “complex”, or complicated, if I can understand it, anyone can.
        
        Also, don’t forget, STV has been used in public elections – in Tasmania, Ireland and Malta – for a century or more now. Indeed, the Irish people have twice voted (in 1959 and 1968) to retain STV to elect their parliament. And, it was the alternative method of election (to MMP) considered by The Royal Commission on the Electoral System, in their Report, “Towards a Better Democracy” (December 1986).
        
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        September 28, 2020 10:46am
    - Sacha
      
      And that explanation, in a nutshell, explains why I have no idea what an ‘overhang’ is. 🙂
      
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      September 27, 2020 1:49pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Sacha: Simple explanation. Have a look at this chart: https://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2014/e9/html/e9_part2.html.
        
        Notice, how, in 2014, United Future received 5,286 Party votes, but that the 120th highest quotient (National) was 9,508.412. That means United Future did not receive a sufficient number of Party votes to be allocated even one of the 120 seats in Parliament that election.
        
        Therefore, during the 2014–2017 term, Parliament comprised 121 seats.
        
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        September 27, 2020 2:22pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Steve Todd. Thank you. I learn a helluva lot more reading Kiwiblog than I ever learn from reading newspapers.
        
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        September 27, 2020 3:22pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @ Tauhei Notts @ 3:22PM:
        
        Thank you so much. I receive many downticks – all of which I lap up – so, to receive a genuine expression of appreciation is very happily acknowledged.
        
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        September 27, 2020 6:47pm
- BAM
  
  Why do National Mps go on that show?
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:22pm
- Unity
  
  Steve, may I ask, as a matter of interest, what was wrong with Louise Upston? I actually thought she was okay so interested to know what the problem is.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:33pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Ah, well. There you go, Unity – I’m centre-left; you’re not just centre-right, but right-wing (in my view).
    
    Therefore, to me, Louise came across as she always does, as a hard, uncaring, let-em-eat-grass, cow. To you, she no doubt sounded like a beautiful song bird.
    
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    September 27, 2020 2:01pm
    - Swifty
      
      I have just watched the Q&A with Upston and Sepuloni.
      
      I suspect that if you found Upston “as a hard, uncaring, let-em-eat-grass, cow” then you are far-left and not at all in the centre.
      
      I also suspect that you believe there are few or no societal issues that cannot be solved by the establishment of a government department, assignment of a minister, hundreds of millions or billions of taxpayer dollars thrown that it and when years down the track when the evidence shows the problems remain (and are usually worse) you screech and howl “that the market has failed!!” and call more more taxation and spending.
      
      It also says a lot about you that instead of debating the issues your initial and primary response to hearing Louise Upston talk about National’s policies and positions is to call her names and label her as nasty and uncaring.
      
      “Those mean and nasty Nats!” “Waaaaaaaah!!”
      
      Pathetic.
      
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      September 27, 2020 3:13pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh, no, Swifty!! Wow! I’m devastated.
        
        We are so in sinc when it comes to religion (ugh!) – a few months ago, you actually gave me videos to watch – but we fall out elsewhere!
        
        Isn’t this a classic example of how Kiwibloggers can agree on one issue, but disagree on another?
        
        I just love Kiwiblog!
        
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        September 27, 2020 5:48pm
      - Swifty
        
        I’m heartbroken at the thought I may have ruined you day.
        
        Back to the topic though Steve, would you care to share your thoughts on exactly what is wrong with Upston’s/National’s welfare intentions and policy prescriptions?
        
        I see Labour’s stance as purely ambulance at the bottom of the cliff stuff, whereas National’s being much more fence at the top – a much more moral position.
        
        What’s more I see Labour’s policies encouraging more people to jump off the cliff.
        
        I’d happily hear your position.
        
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        September 27, 2020 6:21pm
Jack5

Perhaps one of the legal types who follow Kiwiblog can explain for us the implications of the case that threatens to bankrupt Invercargill Mayor Tim Shadbolt.

As I read it, a councillor sued him, appealed and so on, incurring quite large legal bills. The councillor lost and was saddled with costs for both of them.

The councillor then became bankrupt.

Shadbolt has been left with large legal bills for both parties, and this threatens to bankrupt him.

Don’t lawyers have to carry any of the financial risk if their client can’t pay in such an action?
Can they just load their bill on to the opposition party, even if that is the party that “won” the action?

Does this case imply that kamikaze defamation actions could be brought by anyone prepared to go bankrupt themselves?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12368092
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September 27, 2020 12:23pm
- fernglas
  
  I don’t see why he should be liable to pay the other guys legal bills, but he is responsible for his own. The other guy’s lawyers are no doubt in the queue with their hands out unless they had the good sense to get the money up front or agreed to do it on a “no win, no fee” basis. Shame it’s behind a paywall, or I might be able to be of more help.
  
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  September 27, 2020 12:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Sorry, Fernglas. Below are links to two reports of the background.
    
    I note that one says the councillor who went into bankruptcy says she did offer a scheme of payment to Shadbolt and Stuff (the other party sued), but this was rejected.
    
    Still, you have to wonder about kamikaze, “I’ll go into bankruptcy” defamation attacks are feasible.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102296668/defamation-proceedings-against-invercargill-mayor-tim-shadbolt-and-stuff-fail
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/108795458/invercargill-city-councillor-karen-arnold-fights-bankruptcy
    
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    September 27, 2020 2:12pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    […], but he is responsible for his own.
    
    Why? He was awarded costs.
    
    In my non-legal opinion, if Mayor Tim’s lawyers want to be paid for their services, they have to sue the bankrupt councillor – and good luck with that.
    
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    September 27, 2020 2:32pm
    - fernglas
      
      The other party owes the money to Tim. Tim owes the money to his lawyers.
      
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      September 27, 2020 3:17pm
fernglas

“The reason I am open about my values is so that people understand the lens through which I evaluate evidence. Because if a scientist has told you they are completely objective they are deluding themselves.”

Dr Siouxsie Wiles on Twitter explains why she should be treated with great scepticism
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September 27, 2020 12:44pm
wimpston peeeders

can anyone make sense of yesterdays “historic” covid case?
Tested negative twice in isolation but is now a historic case because he was tested again due to being on same flight as the other dude that went through isolation????
How can the test now show he had it long ago but the 2 in isolation didnt? Something stinks
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September 27, 2020 1:00pm
- sooty
  
  Who did he spread it too!
  
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  September 27, 2020 4:23pm
Fletch

So, in the last day the powers-that-be have made new reincarnations of Batwoman, Hawkman, and Tinkerbell all black. *sigh* ?
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September 27, 2020 1:03pm
- oldfella
  
  Fletch, I seem to recall that the old 60s Batman TV series (with Adam West) had a black Batwoman – Eartha Kitt (she of the sultry voice).
  
  But as for a black Tinkerbell? Tinkerbell???
  Beam me up, Scotty.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:59pm
  - Fletch
    
    That was Catwoman, but yeh.
    I wonder what liberals would do if it was announced that the next person to play Black Panther was Asian? Or even white? LOL. If we are supposed to be in the era of colorblind casting then it shouldn’t matter, right? ?
    
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    September 27, 2020 6:03pm
rangitoto

So did this Amy Coney Barrett drink beer at college? The dims must have a pre-prepared list of crimes to chose from.
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September 27, 2020 1:05pm
RJ

Another labour failure

Jacinda Ardern’s Government pledged to make family violence a top priority. Three years on, those promises have led to little but disappointment. Kirsty Johnston reports.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300116850/strategy-to-transform-family-violence-written-off-as-too-mori

Interesting link, stuff can’t spell maori
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September 27, 2020 1:16pm
- Swifty
  
  I am told it’s not that RJ, they leave it out because hyperlinks reject macrons in this case the ‘a’.
  
  It’s what I’ve heard anyway.
  
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  September 27, 2020 1:57pm
- Nickc2
  
  Why hasn’t she addressed it in the last three years? Oh, that’s right, it wasn’t important then but it is now because there’s an election coming up. Lying deceitful bastards.
  How many kids died because Labour failed to address the problem? How many wives and girlfriends etc were hospitalised or worse because Labour failed to address a problem they were well aware of?
  
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  September 27, 2020 2:32pm
Fletch

The libs are afraid of James O’Keefe and Project Veritas exposing their election fraud – and they are right to be. O’Keefe says he has more undercover videos on the way. ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbXBG86rMG4
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September 27, 2020 2:03pm
- Mike
  
  O’Keefe is a genuine example of fake news.
  
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  September 27, 2020 6:59pm
  - Fletch
    
    In what way? He uses genuine undercover video. You think he makes it up? The subjects of his stings sure don’t think it’s fake.
    
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    September 27, 2020 8:21pm
  - RJ
    
    How bizarre, factual undercover footage is fake. Weird.
    
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    September 27, 2020 9:02pm
Rusty

The only accomplishment Labour has done in its 3 years of office is to ban plastic bags from supermarkets.

I can’t think of anything else.

*Kiwbuild has been a failure.

*Child poverty has been a failure.

*Child and family abuse has been a failure.

*Getting tough on the gangs has been a failure.

* Auckland infrastructure has been a failure.
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September 27, 2020 2:15pm
- sooty
  
  Plastic shopping bags were multi purpose,
  From lining the bin to put your lunch in.
  Now we have to go out and buy bin liners!
  
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  September 27, 2020 9:01pm
Fletch

A liberal who worked with Trump’s pick for the Supreme Court says Barrett is a good choice, although he doesn’t agree with all of her philosophy.

I disagree with much of her judicial philosophy and expect to disagree with many, maybe even most of her future votes and opinions. Yet despite this disagreement, I know her to be a brilliant and conscientious lawyer who will analyze and decide cases in good faith, applying the jurisprudential principles to which she is committed. Those are the basic criteria for being a good justice. Barrett meets and exceeds them.

I got to know Barrett more than 20 years ago when we clerked at the Supreme Court during the 1998-99 term. Of the thirty-some clerks that year, all of whom had graduated at the top of their law school classes and done prestigious appellate clerkships before coming to work at the court, Barrett stood out. Measured subjectively and unscientifically by pure legal acumen, she was one of the two strongest lawyers. […]

To add to her merits, Barrett is a sincere, lovely person. I never heard her utter a word that wasn’t thoughtful and kind — including in the heat of real disagreement about important subjects. She will be an ideal colleague. I don’t really believe in “judicial temperament,” because some of the greatest justices were irascible, difficult and mercurial. But if you do believe in an ideal judicial temperament of calm and decorum, rest assured that Barrett has it. […]

We have a Supreme Court nominee who is a brilliant lawyer, a genuine and good person — and someone who holds views about how to interpret the law that I think are wrong and, in certain respects, misguided. I hope the senators at her hearing treat her with respect.

And when she is confirmed, I am going to accept it as the consequence of the constitutional rules we have and the choices we collectively and individually have made. And I’m going to be confident that Barrett is going to be a good justice, maybe even a great one — even if I disagree with her all the way.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-09-26/amy-coney-barrett-deserves-to-be-on-the-supreme-court
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September 27, 2020 2:18pm
krazykiwi

From The Telegraph (paywalled)

There is one chemical that is known to be safe, known to be needed by many people anyway, known to have a clinically proven track record of helping people fight off respiratory diseases, and is so cheap no big firm is pushing it: vitamin D. It is not a silver bullet, but growing evidence suggests that it might help prevent Covid turning serious in some people.
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The gold standard of medical research is the randomised controlled trial. The gold standard of medical research is the randomised controlled trial. Back in May, we had no such test for vitamin D and Covid-19. Now we do. The world’s first randomised control trial on vitamin D and Covid has just been published. The results are clear-cut. The trial, which took place in Spain at the Reina Sofía University Hospital, involved 76 patients suffering from Covid-19. Fifty of those patients were given vitamin D. The remaining 26 were not. Half of those not given Vitamin D became so sick that they needed to be put on intensive care. By comparison, only one person who was given Vitamin D requiring ICU admission.

Put another way, the use of Vitamin D reduced a patient’s risk of needing intensive care 25-fold. Two patients who did not receive Vitamin D died. And while the sample is too small to conclude that Vitamin D abolishes the risk of death in Covid patients, it is nonetheless an astonishing result, and corresponds with Prof Backman’s assertion that correcting vitamin deficiency might cut mortality by half.

The Government should now act on this latest evidence.

Halving Covid-19 IFR would render its lethality to ~0.14%, ie less than a regular influenza season.

There are two problems with this solution:
1. No $$$ for vaccine big-pharma
2. No fearful population to manipulate.
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September 27, 2020 2:22pm
- chiz
  
  The IFR for covid19 is around 1%.
  
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  September 27, 2020 5:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Hey you lefties with TDS. Tell me again that Trump will not win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?
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September 27, 2020 2:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Delete is not working. Here is the link.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q0jgGgTag8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1JZ0_9GxqM9lFHDFZFtNcqNfQc97bTJDJ9ezGJ-CK7fZVal-2hgb9QkSI
  
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  September 27, 2020 2:57pm
Wired-one

Tova again having an [del. OTT, mod.] over Newshub poll results tonight. So much for fair and impartial media eh.
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September 27, 2020 6:08pm
- Wired-one
  
  [Take a holiday for a week – while you have time on your hands perhaps you could set up your own blog in your real name (it’s not that hard) and invite other anonymous posters to abuse public figures without restriction. Maybe you will end up like Sir Tim Shadbolt, claiming a moral victory but bankrupted after someone takes you to court. Mod.]
  
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  September 27, 2020 7:02pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300117886/election-2020-national-below-30-per-cent-in-new-poll-labour-could-govern-alone
I simply do not believe that this “poll” represents what people are currently thinking about our government and our opposition.
It has no relationship at all with what I hear out there in the ordinary world: what I am hearing is that this lot has absolutely no idea what they are doing and what they have to do to get us out of this mess.
What I hear is that apart from Winston ( who has his own set of problems ) is that there is nobody who knows what they are doing as far as the economy is concerned.
Just who are these people who are “polled ” ?
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September 27, 2020 6:48pm
- Mike
  
  “La la la – I can’t hear you”
  
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  September 27, 2020 7:02pm
- fernglas
  
  What you hear is people telling you what they think you want to hear.
  
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  September 27, 2020 7:16pm
gorse

I was born in the fifties, raised in the sixties. I am glad my parents have passed away. I cannot believe this country, lead by a communist, is where it is. My parents, who had to deal with losses in WW2, would be horrified. Glad they don’t have to see it. So here we are, on the cusp of being a socialist state. Words fail me.
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September 27, 2020 7:10pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  What will be the first steps a National/ACT government would take to revert the country to its glorious, pre-communist past?
  
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  September 27, 2020 7:33pm
- doggone7
  
  My grandfather as a boy on the Somme in WW1 had it easy. My parents, grandparents and other family members had it easy in WW2.
  
  The traumatic, devastating, horrifying, difficult circumstances of the past 6 months have been unbelievable. And to mount horror on horror “we are on the cusp of being a socialist state.”
  
  Words don’t fail me: get a bloody life.
  
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  September 27, 2020 8:48pm
gump

The latest Reid Research polling gives some interesting insight into the movement between parties:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/newshub-reid-research-poll-for-the-first-time-exclusive-polling-shows-how-voting-habits-changed-since-last-election.html
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  gump: Very interesting reading. Thanks for posting it. the ones moving from NZ Worst to NC include several of my rellies.
  
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  September 28, 2020 7:32pm
Durden

Sounds like Mikenmild’s second avatar on KB?
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September 28, 2020 12:05am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odm0ng9VVIQ

RW Takeover of UK Media.

Mr Dacre and Mr Moore are being tipped to head the BBC, and
OFCOM. Neither are luvvies. The ever lovin- ever lying left
are outraged. Bojo, and No10 are serious about reforming broadcasting
in the UK. An alternative to the TV license is being sought. Decriminal-
ization of not paying the licence is likely.
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September 28, 2020 2:39pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03sus3cpvP8

Chinas Potential Space Woes.

The Quad can make life hard for Chinas space
program. They want a space station by 2022.
The ISS is set to be decommissioned. NASA
thinks a new one is crucial. It can’t be a Chinese one.
Trump wants to oppose China on all fronts. There can
be a public/private partnership. The Quad might be in a
position to achieve this.
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