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Tony Stuart

So, NZ First is going to introduce a Bill dealing with coward punches. That’s great.

But it does cause one to wonder why they voted Matt King’s Coward Punch Causing Death Bill down on 4 June 2020 at the bill’s third reading. Had NZF voted in favour of the bill, or even abstained, King’s bill would now be law.

You don’t suppose it was a stunt to try and deprive Shane Jones’ opponent in the Northland electorate a bit of glory? Surely NZF would be above hypocritical, cynical, venal stuff like that. Or maybe not…
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December 10, 2019 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, hypocritical: Every time Winston opens his mouth a coward punch comes out.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:12am
  - Tarquin North
    
    I don’t think NZF will be introducing any bills any time soon.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:28am
  - rockape
    
    Every time he opens his mouth I want to punch him. It’s ok because I am nearly the same age!
    
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    October 10, 2020 1:32pm
- cmm
  
  Just remember NZF are scum.
  Then everything makes sense.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    NZF don’t appear to have a purpose and just bumble around throwing out money like lollies at a kids picnic in the expectation that this will make them look powerful and relevant – money for votes.
    But are they as dangerous as the Greens?
    At least with NZF (I’m not voting for them) their confused agendas are shouted out for all to see.
    They are not as dishonest and subversive as the Green Party, for whom the principles of conservation and enhancement of the environment are but a distant memory.
    The soulless Green Party is about tax and control – communism.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:55am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes Gravelroad you make a very good point about the Greens…. but even worse than the Greens are the Maori Party. Did you hear that … [del. mod.] Tamihere on the multiparty debate the other night? What an asshole.
      
      I don’t know if it’s just a sign of my age and I’m getting grumpy-old-man syndrome… but it really seems that the social, economic and structural cohesion of New Zealand is coming undone so fast that it’s difficult to keep up with.
      
      If we kiwis don’t come to our senses PDQ we will lose our country to the forces of Marxism, Racism and lunatic Environmentalism.
      
      Ayoteeahrower will be a failed third world state cannibalising the remnants of the kiwis way of life, progress, democracy and success.
      
      I’m seeing it happening now and frankly I fear for my children and grandchildren.
      
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      October 10, 2020 9:35am
      - Dave Mann
        
        More accurately, my children are part of the problem in that they are in varying degrees greenie anti-capitalists who sprinkle their sentences with Maori words and view the world through a TDS filter.
        
        It’s my grandchildren who will suffer most. They will never have the benefits of living in a civilised country. It will be gone.
        
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        October 10, 2020 10:14am
      - Clyde
        
        I watched the minor leader’s “debate” and my view is that Tamihere is a racist. I don’t know why we are all so collectively afraid of calling out ANY behaviour or views that is designed to give advantage of ANY New Zealander over another BASED ON RACE.
        
        As for the others? Frightening in the most part. Particularly afraid of Shaw’s “nice”, clean-cut demeanour appearing to be reasonable while the Greens tuck away the much more rabid face of their co-leader.
        
        But time we all called out endemic racism in New Zealand.
        
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        October 10, 2020 11:00am
      - Bob
        
        Dave, dismantling the cohesive fabric of a democratic society is one of the major steps along the road to Nirvana – COMMUNISIM.
        Adern has been groomed for this task, and is aided and abetted by our MSM.
        
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        October 10, 2020 12:21pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The nature of Maori is in their identity–that makes all of us inherently racist. Culturally Maori have long memories and some still speak of utu to be settled for past “wrongs”. They may take but you, not being part of their tribe, may not. An inch is just a misdescription for a mile; a smile is where the weapons are hid.
        
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        October 10, 2020 5:06pm
    - C J Southern
      
      The Greens ARE all about conservation and enhancement … of the Green Party.
      
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      October 10, 2020 9:55am
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s funny how in three years someone can go from being the favourite uncle, to a sad old one who blurts out unfortunate things and really should be in care.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:13am
    - James Stephenson
      
      The Biden v Trump thread post is next door 😀
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:45pm
- Catgurl13
  
  It also means Jabbacindy knew this was going to happen,she agreed to it.
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Shane Jones and Whinestone Peters had to get the money from somewhere and where did they get it! Cindy and Robba of course!
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:42am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  If that is the case why didn’t the lazy Matt King or even the lazy National party even say a word about it?
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:37am
  - Catgurl13
    
    We all know it was pre programmed long ago by this coalition.Nothing National could have done when the coalition agreement isn’t even published.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:33am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      That lack of transparency is going to bite them on the rear end.
      How do we know they are not complicit with
      NZF in the dubious electoral modifications?
      
      Transparency is not just a view through the keyhole.
      
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      October 10, 2020 5:00pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Mental Health Day!
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October 10, 2020 8:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Thanks mikenmild. As a mental health survivor who still battles from time to time, I appreciate your support!
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:13am
- G152
  
  mikenmildagain so its your favorite day
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:15am
- Dave Mann
  
  Can I just say that I think Mike is okay as a commenter and I’m a bit disappointed by the way he’s automatically downticked for whatever he says. Often (although not this time) he is insulted and vilified for his viewpoint and I think we should be better people than this.
  
  I often disagree with him (almost always actually), but at least he normally presents his arguments well and he doesn’t enter into invective and personal abuse.
  
  Most days Mikey comes up with his Happy x Day and gets a swarm of downticks. Why?
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:04am
  - Spam
    
    Agreed. Reserve the downticks for stupid comments, not for simply participating / contributing.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:01am
    - Don Beckett
      
      When I downtick, its because I disagree with the point being made. If I wish to make a comment about the commenters persona, I do so.
      
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      October 10, 2020 1:45pm
Happychappy

Well isn’t it great that our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern gives Judith Collins a message about disrespect on her apparent snub on a Cafe in Mosgiel

and its cheese rolls. This from a Prime Minister that thinks it is ok to break the law and also promise Sex Assult Victims working in Parliament that she would get Justice for one that was assaulted by a deviate working out of her Prime Minister’s Office, only to throw her and others under the bus to rid herself and the Labour Party of the accusations.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/jacinda-ardern-fiercely-defends-mosgiel-after-judith-collins-cheese-roll-snub.html
So I am sure with many others Jacinda should look up the word “Respect ” in a dictionary and compare her smart vicious remarks then have a good look at herself and some of the practices she uses and does before condemning others.
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October 10, 2020 8:01am
- Catgurl13
  
  Don’t forget Meka Whaitiri who assaulted her staffer.Meka even admitted it but was allowed to keep her job in the end. Disgusting. No wonder victims don’t come forward.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:17am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Did she do it kindly? Barf!!!
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:41am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  That cheese snub by aunty Judith is a stab in the back by her South Island MPs according to toxic you know who. National is in a death spiral.
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:49am
  - oldfella
    
    SCS: stabbed in the back with a cheese roll? The next storyline for CSI?
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:11am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      more like “father brown”
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:54pm
  - Catgurl13
    
    Those cheese rolls were hardly appetising….blerk!!
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:35am
    - mark15
      
      Cheese rolls for Nobel peace prize.
      
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      October 10, 2020 10:49am
      - kowtow
        
        Blessed are the cheese makers ?
        
        I’ll get my coat.
        
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        October 10, 2020 11:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Aren’t you pleased Cindy did not get the peace prize, it would have shown her as without merit and caused much dissension.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:51am
    - Bob
      
      We don’t require the absence of a Nobel prize to know that Adern is ‘without merit’; or ability for that matter.
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:24pm
    - jon
      
      MADE MY DAY TOO,,hence the capital letters.
      
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      October 10, 2020 3:43pm
- C J Southern
  
  In her dictionary the definition of “respect” is “a word of no particular significance that can be deployed as seen fit for strategic gain and political self-interest”.
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:59am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Petty point-scoring abetted and promoted by complicit and compliant media. Ignore, move on.
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

Woke up to very good news.
Cindy didn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize.
Yay!
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October 10, 2020 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Our Prime Minister did not get a Nobel Peace prize!
  
  She was a shoo-in according to our media, a perfect choice that could not be denied!
  
  Oh dear, what a calamity!
  
  Well never mind, there is always next year but what disaster will New Zealand have to endure so she can be propelled to the forefront of the world media?
  
  Worst government ever!
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:04am
  - Ruahine
    
    Arderns only possible claim to getting the lefty prize is that she gleefully managed to shutdown ANZAC day attendances two years running.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:39am
  - Paulus
    
    I thought she was only one applicant of 320 others !
    Typical Labour Party spin bull.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:42am
    - Bob
      
      i understood from our media that she was one of four, and a certainty to win.
      How much of the media political comment is as inaccurate??
      
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      October 10, 2020 4:00pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        None
        
        Ask me another . . .
        
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        October 10, 2020 9:55pm
  - Maxx
    
    I’m sure yet job is still open at the UN. They’ll be looking forward to using her experience in ending child poverty and building affordable housing for all.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:06am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There’s an opening in rural Uganda that will suit.
      
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      October 10, 2020 10:53am
      - sooty
        
        If she took Phill Twyford with her, he could learn how to make mud huts, Kiwi Huts!
        
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        October 10, 2020 1:18pm
      - jon
        
        Kev..you are naughty with that Uganda comment but hey i love it!
        
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        October 10, 2020 3:48pm
  - C J Southern
    
    Agreed, but I think you meant “government” not government; it’s not like they’re an actual real functioning government.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:02am
  - Bob
    
    Tells us a lot about the ‘in depth research’ capabilities of our media journalists!!
    
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    October 10, 2020 12:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Big thumbs up to the farmers of the world.
  
  Govt should make their essential work and way of life easier , not harder and more costly .
  
  Farmers keep us alive , not lock downs.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:05am
  - tf78
    
    Great Muriel Newman newsletter today which will inspire farmers. http://www.nzcpr.com/newsletter
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:18am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Farming needs to be decommissioned Kowtow.
    Get with the programme.
    Most food can now be developed in a test tube and manufactured in an industrial factory. And just about everyone knows that food comes from the supermarket anyway.
    Land and trees, snails and plants are most important.
    People and production – not so much.
    Consult with the Green Party – they will put you onto the correct path. Just don’t stand on anything while you are walking and make sure your boots are not made of real leather. Synthetic OK.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:03am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Farming is only to be decommissioned in places where it is being done in a sustainable manner…
      
      elsewhere, let the fires burn…
      https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/09/a-continent-ablaze-why-fires-are-tearing-across-south-america
      
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      October 10, 2020 9:10am
      - tf78
        
        Maggy it’s from Guardian – the other source of truth.
        
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        October 10, 2020 9:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @tf78
        
        At least they recognise how and why fires are burning across South America.
        
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        October 10, 2020 11:09am
    - C J Southern
      
      I’ve finally discovered the source of the Green’s major malfunction; it’s caused by sleep deprivation from them always being so woke.
      
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      October 10, 2020 10:04am
    - giltee
      
      But synthetics largely are produced from oil
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:16pm
- lifesgood
  
  Ha, ha, ha. As I said yesterday, there were 318 nominations. Why on earth did anyone think Jacinda would get it? Seems the winners are genuinely doing something worthwhile, not pretending to.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:07am
  - artemisia
    
    Why didn’t Jacinda win? Possibly the thought of millions of images beamed to the world of a western democracy leader in a scarf was a step too far, even for the Nobel Committee.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:36am
    - tf78
      
      Or she didn’t actually deserve it.
      
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      October 10, 2020 9:31am
      - Bob
        
        Lucky for you tf78 that Little hasn’t yet got his ‘Hate speech’ law in place.
        
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        October 10, 2020 12:28pm
      - chukar
        
        Who agrees the recipient deserved it?
        
        Trumps credentials looked unassailable.
        
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        October 10, 2020 7:50pm
    - Bob
      
      Or they couldn’t find a building side tall enough to accommodate a picture of our Great Leader’s ego.
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She’s not even “pretending”, merely “aspiring”.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:13am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “Why on earth did anyone think Jacinda would get it? ”
    
    Because her unrelenting followers are caught in the seductive illusion that she really is kind and caring and the best person in the world.
    
    But perhaps she was never really in the top contenders, becasue the Nobel committee saw through her falseness, including the false headscarf charade:
    
    She rejected the Mormon faith because it conflicted with at least two of her core motivations – being told how to live and what to do, and lack of acceptance of LGBTQI tendencies.
    
    Yet there she was opening over the top supporting the Muslin faith, which at its core, is even more entrenched and harsh in its viewpoint towards non believers and LGBTQI than Mormonism.
    
    As with many political maniacs, her political “career” it is all about strategy, not beliefs. One rule for her and one rule for others.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:00am
- krazykiwi
  
  The World Food Program should thank CO2 & GM in their acceptance speech. More of each is helping drive food volumes and supply certainty to record levels.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:10am
  - Catgurl13
    
    They should give out contraceptive pills while they are at it. It always amazes me how in starving nation’s women continue to keep having baby after baby,while the one they have is on the TV ad begging for help.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:14am
    - giltee
      
      It’s a cycle with the starving nations that will never be fixed. Political instability, religion, droughts, culture, no family planning education and lack of education will never stop the famine. African countries have a higher birth rate than any other country. When western countries prop them up with aide they just breed more.
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:25pm
      - theoldbloke
        
        There is an argument that poverty and no social welfare lead to offspring production.
        
        They produce kids to look after them in their old age!
        They have more than one to offset premature deaths.
        
        Sounds harsh. But have just returned from a 3rd world country.
        It was eye opening and nothing like the TV ads trying to get your money to feed their administrators(oops programs)
        
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        October 10, 2020 1:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s a cycle with the starving nations that will never be fixed.
        
        In my grandparents’ time people regularly starved in Europe…
        In my Parents’ time… China and India were the basket-case countries
        
        There’s more than enough food being produced in the World each year to support the World’s population.
        
        The problem is whether it is in the interest of powerful people/countries to reorganise the structures that prevent fellow humans from having an adequate, nutritious diet.
        
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        October 10, 2020 1:35pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    That’s the United Nations World Food Program to you.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:19am
    - mark15
      
      ‘United Nations’
      Thats an oxymoron to you.
      
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      October 10, 2020 9:37am
      - C J Southern
        
        The UN should just change it’s name to “One World Woke/PC Government” to avoid confusion about their intent.
        
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        October 10, 2020 10:08am
      - oldfella
        
        If there’s a Maori term for United Nations they should start using that. Everyone else is doing it.
        
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        October 10, 2020 10:15am
  - Prince
    
    If they really wanted to recognise something that has freed billions from poverty and starvation, the Peace Prize should go to Capitalism.
    As if that would ever happen.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:02am
    - MCos
      
      Capitalism isn’t an individual or organisation.
      How there is a Nobel in Economic Sciences and I’m sure capitalism will feature there.
      
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      October 10, 2020 12:48pm
- alloytoo
  
  Next year Donald Trump. (it should, but it won’t happen)
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:12am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    But Donald Trump did win the 2020 IgNobel Prize:
    MEDICAL EDUCATION PRIZE [BRAZIL, UK, INDIA, MEXICO, BELARUS, USA, TURKEY, RUSSIA, TURKMENISTAN]
    Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, Boris Johnson of the United Kingdom, Narendra Modi of India, Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico, Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus, Donald Trump of the USA, Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, Vladimir Putin of Russia, and Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow of Turkmenistan, for using the Covid-19 viral pandemic to teach the world that politicians can have a more immediate effect on life and death than scientists and doctors can.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:55am
- peterwn
  
  I wondered how this would have affected the election. It could have given Jacinda a final boost, but some of this might have come from otherwise Green voters. So goodness knows.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:17am
  - C J Southern
    
    Just as an unproven charge against a party (think NZF Foundation) will get them less votes, just news of her nomination will push her closer to sainthood in the eyes of some and get her more.
    
    If the press had the slightest understanding of the concept of being fair and balanced instead of always acting in their own commercial self interest then they would have embargoed news of her nomination until after the election.
    
    But no. $50M buys a lot of support and loyalty.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes good news indeed Captain and it is as I wrote yesterday, this year’s competition for the Nobel Peace Prize had the familiar feel of last year’s competition, and that I expected the outcome to be the same.
  
  That is Greta and Jacinda were nominations, that the woke had made them hot favourites, despite there being more obvious potential winners who nobody was talking about.
  
  So, when the result is announced, the woke are left as stunned mullets because neither Greta and Jacinda won.
  
  And, what happened last night…..well blow me over and call me surprised, Jacinda and Greta didn’t win it….instead it was the UN World Food Programme….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/428011/nobel-prize-winner-appeals-to-billionaires-to-aid-world-s-hungry
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:34am
  - coge
    
    Jacinda won’t be getting the Nobel peace prize anytime soon. Or any other Kiwi. NZ isn’t anywhere near politically significant enough for such globalist institutional back patting. They’d well understand there’s nothing in it for them.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:54am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Was she really in the running or just wishful thinking from the biased?
  I hope the election is the same, a most undeserving manufactured candidate.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The World thinks Jaspinda is the greatest, but us real Kiwis know better. We know she cant stop lying
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:14am
  - C J Southern
    
    If was neither; IMO the purpose of the announcement was simply to boost her election chances. That’s what $50M buys.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:17am
- redeye
  
  Only significant persons can nominate someone. I’m only guessing, but this has Helen Clark’s fingerprints all over it. We’ll apparently have to wait 50 years to find out.
  Remember Clark went to The Atlantic for an interview, claimed Ardern was one worlds most effective leaders, and we get the headline that the Atlantic thinks the NZ has one of the most effective leaders in the world.
  This is Ardern’s second nomination, presumably for the same thing (CHCH). It could only be political. If she didn’t win it the first time it was unlikely she was getting it this time.
  But it didn’t stop the headlines, including from this blog.
  Credit where it’s due. They are politically ruthless.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:48am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Actually, any sitting MP could nominate her, except Ardern herself. A person qualified to nominate someone includes
    
    Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states
    
    So any Labour MP could have done it – simply by filling in an online form. on the Norwegian Nobel Committee Website
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:20pm
- EssenX
  
  She was never going to win. Just like Clark was never going to become Secretary General. Putting aside the media’s sycophancy, some people need to accept that their view of New Zealand’s importance in the world is grossly exaggerated. No one gives us a shit about what we do or what we say. We will not solve climate change, the Palestinian question or nuclear proliferation. We need to stop focusing so much on the rest of the world and start dealing with the big issues at home first: raising productivity and growing income to help pay for education, health and infrastructure.
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree..
    Anyone who ventures overseas soon realises that the daily highlights of NZ life are never mentioned in any news report or magazine unless it is a bit of disaster porn.
    
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    October 10, 2020 1:40pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      They love Jacinda overseas – I know because the NZ msm keep telling me
      
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      October 10, 2020 5:23pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  But she was a shoo in just like biden according to this blog.
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:55am
- MCos
  
  We’re all happy for your sake she didn’t win it too.
  You seem barely able to contain yourself at the thought of another term with her as PM. Add to that a Nobel and surely your head and those of a lot of other folks on this forum would explode.
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:56pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Pillock. More groups anyone?
    
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    October 10, 2020 3:17pm
Catgurl13

Phew!!….thank goodness Miss massive ego didn’t get the prize!!!
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October 10, 2020 8:02am
Justitia

Good Morning New Stasiland! Welcome to Ardern’s illegitimate election, carried out before the Electoral Commission advised it could run a proper process or even before political gatherings were possible in our largest city? (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/nz-election-2020-electoral-commission-wanted-november-election-not-october-17.html)

Are we witnessing a rolling putsch against our threadbare constitution? Enjoy the next three years of madcap Marxist madness!
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October 10, 2020 8:06am
- Justitia
  
  Political gatherings banned for much of the campaign and liable to be shut down by the Police? The ruling Party appropriating to itself daily televised updates on a pandemic as a platform for electioneering and for denigrating their opponents? Any observer from an organization such as the UN, the Commonwealth or the OSCE tasked with monitoring the New Zealand election would be forced to conclude that it was not “free and fair”. This government doesn’t even meet Third World standards of political conduct.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:32am
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    An international election observer would also include a paragraph in their report on the fact that the leader of the ruling Party put Auckland into lockdown the day before the official Opposition Party was due to launch its campaign and only lifted it after the Opposition Party had been forced to resort to a virtual launch. This paragraph would be highlighted in red.
    
    An injunction should now be sought to stop the election and reschedule it for a time when adequate arrangements can be made by electoral officials and when all political parties can freely campaign. Failing that, a case should now be prepared for the High Court to set aside the results from the current illegitimate process as invalid.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Also the money being thrown around has not had the scrutiny required of Public Monies. It has to be seen as election treating.
    This election has to be declare for National by default—too much fraud.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:00am
  - Justitia
    
    The international observer team would also record the governing Parties’ $50 million bribe to the media and its affect on the campaign in scrupulous detail: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121178681/coronavirus-50m-government-package-to-help-media-through-crisis.
    
    The suspension of transmission fees for the TV networks until after the election and the vicious, partisan and biased reporting of those networks against the Opposition Party would be flagged as a serious concern.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:10am
  - Bob
    
    This
    Election year has been the most manipulated and corrupt that I have ever know in my late 80’s years of voting.
    
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    October 10, 2020 12:32pm
doggone7

You get that, people who profess that setting out to achieve things is what we need, and achieving is good, sneering when someone doesn’t achieve something.
What’s that about?
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October 10, 2020 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Those that believed Arden’s lies/promises/aspirations in 2017 were fools. Those that believe them second time around are a special kind of stupid.
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:47am
  - fisho
    
    Agreed. I honestly can’t believe the sheer quantity of stupid that exists in this once great land. It sickens me that these woke clowns ride on the coat-tails of people who worked really hard to make a difference and wanted NZ to be great. Nowadays we have a massive collective of ‘useful idiots’ doing the dirty work for the poisonous Marxist arseholes that want to divide and conquer in order to achieve their own fucked up goals.
    
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    October 10, 2020 12:07pm
Yvette

NZ Election 2020: Judith Collins thinks $100m marae PGF spend-up so close to election ‘verges on corruption’

ACT leader David Seymour came out swinging earlier this week when he found out about the funding being announced so close to the election.
“Less than two weeks out from the election, NZ First and Labour are using a slush fund of taxpayers’ money to try to buy votes,” he said on Wednesday.
“Shane Jones is going to announce $100 million of spending, which will include funding for the electorate that he’s standing in. While Mr Jones might think it will buy him votes, New Zealanders can see right through it.”
…

NZ First leader Winston Peters said Collins needs to “catch-up” on the fact that the $100 million was part of $600 million announced as part of a PGF package back in June to support regional economies recover from COVID-19.

“This was announced in May… and she never said a thing. How convenient is this?” Peters said on Friday, when asked to respond to Collins’ criticism. “We’re not going to bow down to that.”
Ardern also said it was reallocated money made available “some time ago” as part of the COVID-19 recovery. [1]

One assumes Winston refers to the announcement 24 May, PGF reset helps regional economies.
Shane Jones today announced the first tranche of new projects to be funded, including up to $100m for waterway fencing, riparian planting and stock water reticulation, $60m for road and rail investments and up to $70m for upgrades of marae, town halls, Pasifika churches and war memorials [2]

Why is Jones to re-announce the allocation again “two weeks from the Election”
Why is the amount now $100 million, when the May announcement Winston refers to was $70 million?

If Collins says such an announcement is “verging on corruption”, if the actual statement was back when Winston claims, is the current attention not simply “coercion”?

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/nz-election-2020-judith-collins-thinks-100m-marae-pgf-spend-up-so-close-to-election-verges-on-corruption.html
[2] https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/pgf-reset-helps-regional-economies
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October 10, 2020 8:08am
- Catgurl13
  
  Well why wasn’t that money used to help people even more now that many have lost their jobs,homes,livelyhoods?. There must be many people out there doing it hard, some lost family members to suicide, some not able to even get a job seeker bene having lost their job / business, employees recently and wondering why they haven’t been helped?. What huge waste of money where Maori have had so much already paid out in settlements,and more than enough people out of work in their tribes that should be doing that building maintenance anyway. Just shows the tail wagging the dog again. Adern knew about this one for sure!!
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:40am
- Ruahine
  
  It is corruption. But then this Gov’t is all about corruption and self interest, keeping their hands on the money supply.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:42am
- Yvette
  
  Further –
  “A total of 351 marae all over the country will receive much-needed upgrades while more than 3100 local jobs will be created through this investment which totals $96.5 million. It is not only the marae that will benefit. It also means close to $100 million will filter into communities, through wages and into local businesses supplying building materials and fittings,” Shane Jones said.
  
  Chart: Grand Total $96,515,895; number of marae, 351; jobs 3128.9
  
  The money for the renovation of marae, town halls and other community facilities, war memorials and Pasifika churches was earmarked in May as part ($70m) of around $600 million PGF funding refocused on projects with immediate jobs and economic benefits as part of the Government’s COVID-19 response.
  
  The funding is in addition to $12.4 million announced last month for upgrades of town halls, war memorials and other community facilities around the country and close to $10 million for upgrades and renovations on Pasifika churches. [1]
  
  So the total now is $118.91 million ($118,915,895) 0f which $70m was announced back in May, and $12.4 million and the $10m both last month.
  
  [1] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2010/S00070/3100-jobs-created-through-marae-upgrades.htm
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:16pm
Catgurl13

That nasty little Tova yesterday said on Newshub that reporters had just found out Nats had changed their 1600 capacity celebratory election party booking venue to 300. She claimed they possibly knew they would be losing the election and that was the reason why it was changed. I’d really like to see her face if they won. Someone should tell her that the glint from her heavily Botoxed forehead blinds us all when she faces us each night.
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October 10, 2020 8:09am
- alloytoo
  
  If they hadn’t changed it the hit job would have been about Covid risks and large event….something about been tone deaf.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:15am
- BAM
  
  Simon Bridges needs to shut his mouth.
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    That comment reveals your stupidity.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:50am
  - Martin Williams
    
    It’s pretty clear Bridges is undermining Collins and trying to position himself for a return to the leadership post election.
    
    A party in complete disarray.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:07am
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      If he is,he’s an idiot. He had his chance and blew it.
      
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      October 10, 2020 11:39am
    - Tall Man
      
      Whereas as labour aren’t even a party anymore. No policies just jacinda jacinda jacinda. How pathetic is that.
      
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      October 10, 2020 11:47am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It’s pretty clear that you are talking through your arsehole…
      
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      October 10, 2020 11:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Martin Williams and BAM seem to be posting agitprop on behalf of Labour.
      
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      October 10, 2020 3:07pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I don’t know much about BAM, but Martin Williams has an unshakeable belief that everything Labour does is good, and everything National does is bad. As for the unsubstantiated allegations against Bridges, I guess Judith Collins must have been really disillusioned with Bridges, to put him at #4 on the front bench, the highest ranked MP after the leader, deputy leader and finance spokesman.
        
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        October 10, 2020 4:40pm
- JackRabbit
  
  It probably wouldn’t occur to Tova that maybe it was being respectful in face of Covid-19!
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:08am
Lee C

https://www.facebook.com/SeanHannity/videos/637962323577199
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October 10, 2020 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  Full declassification. Now watch the corrupt officials refuse to remove redactions
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:31am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I don’t like clicking on links without an idea of what it’s about. Could waste time or support a crappy site (including MSM). Can you give a synopsis?
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    Same here, unless it’s one of Maggie Pies, they are good for a giggle!
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:54am
Inandout

One wonders how this priest ‘altarnated’ the dominatrices?
https://trends.gab.com/trend-feed/5f807af04eb99611d5f07dc5
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October 10, 2020 8:30am
Captain Mainwaring

The serial downticker is busy this morning.
Good morning SB2.
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October 10, 2020 8:32am
Inandout

Well Jacinda and Angry are on target with their socialism push. The Jacinda-swooning matrons of Remuera are so secure in their mansions they can afford to be part of this slow destruction of democracy. Just as the good residents of socialist US cities thought they were safe from BLM when their houses were burnt to the ground; well once lawlessness gets out of hand…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300128542/election-2020-three-strikes-is-out-under-labours-law-and-order-policy
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October 10, 2020 8:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Can’t say that I have seen a decent analysis of Labour’s Law and Order Policy in the MSM…. but if Labour or Labour/Greens get back in, then Andrew Little will have a free rein.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/labour-finally-talks-justice
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:18am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

Fraser House has a full shift at work it seems today. Obviously Princess Cindy Amazeballs is really pissed she didn’t win a gong overnight.

Bwuhahaahhahahaha!

🙂
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October 10, 2020 8:44am
- alex Masterley
  
  Is there a participation prize?
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:58pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Apparently and Jacinda might get it.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:22pm
Ruahine

It is corruption. But then this Gov’t is all about corruption and self interest, keeping their hands on the money supply.
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October 10, 2020 8:44am
Benedict Yu

Andrew Little announces that 3 strikes will be dead.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300128542/election-2020-three-strikes-is-out-under-labours-law-and-order-policy

This is a deeply depressing read. He says the law leads to “absurd results”. How about some examples of these absurd results?

I recall while back DPF ran a series on 3 strike criminals. Results looked fantastic not “absurd”. All the featured offenders were frightening.

Makes me angry really. Folk laugh here that Twyford can’t get things done. That is actually very fortunate. But Little (Justice) and Parker (farmers) can get things done and they are all terrible.
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October 10, 2020 8:51am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  How about 7 years for a kissing someone on the street? Another I can remember is a prisoner touching a guards butt.
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/20-07-2020/seven-years-in-prison-for-a-kiss-our-unjust-three-strikes-law-in-action/
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:10am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Hmm, thanks for confirming your standards level. I believe that pinch on the butt may have had a little bit more force and intent behind it
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:21am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Headlines without context. Recidivists who can’t or won’t control themselves even in the face of severe consequences. And you want to let them out on the street again to destroy the lives of more unsuspecting innocents. There is a huge cost borne by society in letting unhinged recidivists out, mostly in the poorer suburbs where ex-cons end up living, far from the cloistered leafy green suburbs where social justice types live. Little regards it as a win in reduced prison headcount, but that’s because he doesn’t care about the people he is hurting by proxy.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    How about shoving your hands down the pants of underage kids. That’s right, it’s ok when the left or the “special” people do it.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:58am
  - C J Southern
    
    Don’t know about anyone else, but if I’d had a history of bad behaviour and knew that kissing someone on the street against their will would or might land me in jail for 7 years then guess what I wouldn’t do?
    
    You get one guess.
    
    Don’t blame the law. Blame those who knew the consequences of breaking it and choose to break it anyway. Zero sympathy.
    
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    October 10, 2020 2:09pm
  - Michael Duke
    
    So 3rd offence, alcohol and drugs involved and competent to stand trial.
    
    7 Years sounds about right to me.
    
    I would have added chemical castration but that’s me, I like personal accountability and detest the “Ohhh he was so hard done by” bullshit.
    
    He was capable to stand trial, had been warned and allowed himself to use controlled substances that lead to a loss of personal control, he got what he deserved.
    
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    October 10, 2020 4:21pm
- Fletch
  
  Little is pathetic. While doing this he is pushing a ban on gay conversion therapy and pushing for hate speech laws. The guy has his priorities way out of whack.
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:14am
- WaynelSexton
  
  3 strikes doesn’t go far enough, bring back the gallows.
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:01pm
  - C J Southern
    
    Nah – that’s the easy way out. Make them suffer for their antisocial choices.
    
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    October 10, 2020 2:11pm
Paulus

I was disappointed when I saw that the final Leaders Debate next week was to be “controlled” by Jessica Mutch.
After her performance last week I am sure that she will be the winner anyhow, as she does not know how to control the proceedings – only her own voice and views.
Her obvious bias is only that behind Tova O’Brien and Katie Bradford.
I hate to think what will happen when Cindy gets the Queens Crown on Saturday week. These and the other affiliated women in the media will be beside themselves – they have worked hard for the last couple of years behaving abominably in some hidden cases yet to emerge, or not.
Very Sad whatever.
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October 10, 2020 8:51am
- Catgurl13
  
  Yes she was quite rude and sarcastic when David was trying to speak. She let the others rave on far too much and cut David off while he was speaking many times.
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:56am
softail 1450

C M, Are you joking he’s not out of bed yet.
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October 10, 2020 9:06am
Thought Criminal

Look who made it into urban dictionary!

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jacindelivery
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October 10, 2020 9:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’s cool. Now link to the definitions based on ‘Trump’.
  
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  October 10, 2020 9:13am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Why?
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:21am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Coz there are so many, and they’re quite funny.
      
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      October 10, 2020 11:35am
      - Thought Criminal
        
        Typical lefty. Happy to give orders to others to do the work and dance to their ideology but too lazy to get off your arse and do something yourself.
        
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        October 10, 2020 1:57pm
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Crazy talk Trump! . Has his dose of covid and Cloxo neurologically damaged him even further?

Donald Trump seals his fate

Any sliver of hope to avoid a Republican wipeout slipped away from President Trump on Thursday morning thanks to his refusal to attend the next presidential debate in a virtual format (necessitated by his covid-19 diagnosis), his hysterical demand that Hillary Clinton be indicted and his decision to throw insults at Democratic vice-presidential nominee Kamala D. Harris (he called her a “monster,” “totally unlikable” and a “communist”). It is noteworthy that one of Trump’s objections to a virtual debate is that the moderator can cut you off. In other words, deprived of the chance to bully and interrupt, Trump is pitifully weak.

Trump’s latest crazy-talk should suffice to convince all but his sycophantic enablers that he is entirely unable to perform the duties of his office. The difference between the two campaigns — one calm and winning, the other unhinged and losing — is evident. The Post reports:

“I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. That’s not what debating is all about,” [Trump] said in an interview with Maria Bartiromo on the Fox Business Network.

Shortly afterward, Biden spokeswoman Kate Bedingfield said Biden welcomes the chance to participate in a virtual debate.

“Vice President Biden looks forward to speaking directly to the American people and comparing his plan for bringing the country together and building back better with Donald Trump’s failed leadership on the coronavirus that has thrown the strong economy he inherited into the worst downturn since the Great Depression,” she said in a statement.

Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien blasted the commission’s decision in a statement, saying Trump would “do a rally instead” of accepting what he characterized as a “pathetic” decision.

Stepien has tested positive for the coronavirus, so perhaps he is a poor spokesman forfor the position that the campaign intends to disregard health guidelines and put even more Americans at risk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/08/donald-trump-seals-his-fate/

“Stepien has tested positive…”

LOL!
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October 10, 2020 9:09am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Biden is a weak leader for letting coronavirus dominate him. A real man would have a real debate and not hide behind a computer screen.
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:12pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    With prompts.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:39pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Trump (re not doing virtual) is in negotiating mode.
  The TV networks need the money from a debate.
  If Trump says no to virtual, the networks will push for life debates(and revenue)
  
  Think the big picture folks.
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:29pm
I remember when

kowtow 8.05
Isn’t it great the the further the rural population gets from farming the more they know what’s good for them.
The less dirt we get on our shoes the more we know about the damage they are doing to the soil.
Ah! Isn’t ignorance bliss!
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October 10, 2020 9:32am
I remember when

Is a Capital Gains Tax/Inheritance Tax really needed.
Much of the research of people who inherit sums of money show, that most have nothing to show for it within a relatively short time.
If it is captured by a Capital Gains Tax there is probably nothing to show for it after one year. Maybe some residual GST.
They will also spend at least some of it in areas not likely receive money from Government.
A more even spread across commerce?
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October 10, 2020 9:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Why can’t a government restrict themselves to “essential spending” only rather than look for more revenue and drive expenditure to match?
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:08am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Well said tall man.
    
    If government put half the effort into getting value from spending as they do into working out how to tax us more, we’d have the best public services in the world.
    
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    October 10, 2020 10:46am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “ properties that just sit there”
    
    I never get this argument. Here we are, daily being told people desperately need housing and all of us knowing that a roof over the head is absolutely essential, but providing housing is somehow not and important business and landlords are dirty deplorables?
    
    BS. Providing housing and food are essential and honourable trades.
    
    And landlords pay plenty of income tax and rates (local tax on house value, so already a wealth tax). Enough already!
    
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    October 10, 2020 4:13pm
  - chukar
    
    What is needed is enhanced respect for people’s private property,
    
    That is their house’s, their bank balances and a myriad of other things they have aspired to ,and achieved in their lifetimes.
    
    Instead of a bunch of vultures surrounding those who have achieved.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:06pm
- AJL
  
  I think the issue with CGT is this: We tax businesses. It’s a thing, we do it, that’s the way the world is.
  We DON’T tax capital gains on houses.
  So like… If you have money where are you going to put it?
  
  If the government wants people to invest in business that actually *do* things rather than properties that just sit there, the CGT seems like a good idea. It’s about saying “We want investors to invest in business that create jobs and create wealth, not just in selling houses”
  
  Hell, if a CGT is working properly, it wouldn’t even end up taking much money- you’d use it to stabilize the property market, and then once the market was stabilized, it wouldn’t be worth anything because house prices wouldn’t be going up.
  
  Heck, you could even make CGT tax neutral by implementing a CGT and then making a proportional drop somewhere else in your tax system. It doesn’t have to be an extra revenue stream, just trying to rebalance investment that currently leans towards property more than it should due to anomalies already created BY THE TAX SYSTEM.
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:39am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Name one Country in the World where a CGT has stopped House prices rising.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    We do tax gains on property if that gain was the purpose of the purchase.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:43am
    - artemisia
      
      Or if it is residential investment property sold within 5 years of purchase (bright line test). Strictly speaking income tax on capital gain.
      
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      October 10, 2020 1:36pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      if that gain was the purpose of the purchase
      That purposefulness turns the gain to income and subject to tax.
      
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      October 10, 2020 2:07pm
  - alloytoo
    
    CGT would also apply to business disposal. By your logic the same disincentive would apply.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:55am
  - artemisia
    
    Net income is taxed, regardless of source, unless that source is illegally outside the tax system. Capital gains are mostly not taxed, regardless of source.
    
    Mostly. But there are some exceptions.
    
    AJL your argument falls over.
    
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    October 10, 2020 1:32pm
    - AJL
      
      Hmmm….okay, based on all the replies, it would appear that I need a more detailed understanding of the tax system. That’s fine.
      
      ….
      I still think that if you have a market that is not going in the direction you want, redistributing *where* you place your taxes (without net increase) can be a way of redirecting it, from say, investment in home ownership to investment in business… this sounds like a good thing? Even if we only usually tax income, and not capital gains?
      
      But I’m also by no means an economist, nor an accountant, and do not claim any such expertise. If people disagree, or if I’m just plain wrong, that’s cool to.
      
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      October 10, 2020 9:01pm
  - tf78
    
    AJL -DO YOU OWN A HOME YET??!! Manipulation never works, like water, markets naturally seek their own level. If you try and manipulate your partner for example you will lose your partner. Natural flow and natural results are the only way humans will ever succeed.
    
    All taxes imposed by Left leaning governments are basically envy taxes because they don’t have the wherewithal or imagination to make money themselves which is why they choose to tax other people’s ideas and accomplishments, they are only jealous because of their own inadequacies. Why do you think James Shaw wants a WEALTH TAX – he doesn’t have the brains to make something from his overblown salary and it’s all our fault.
    
    Shame on all Labour/Green MP’s and their followers who blame and want to tax us for their own closed eye, and visionless lives. Because of their their inadequacies they rely of other’s lives, education, ambition and successes. Get rid of them NOW.
    
    THEY ARE THE LEECHES ON -SOCIETY – not the beneficiaries.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Capital gains taxes are never justified–they are inevitably envy based. Their proper economic use is very rare.
  House prices here cannot be affected by them as they are driven by money supply expansion which is mostly from outside NZ. A tax in such a situation is is not a tax on wealth but apparent wealth.
  
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  October 10, 2020 2:18pm
  - chukar
    
    KOB
    
    Inflation rules
    See used car prices, food prices, house prices ,property prices ,wages including minimum payments.regulatory demands etc,etc,
    The NZD just does not buy what it used to.
    This is getting much worse
    
    So post election expect an “independent “Reserve bank response . Interest rates? Quantitative easing or just printing more of the stuff?
    
    But it won’t be any new Governments responsibility.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:32pm
Critical Thinker

On track for negative excess deaths in the US ?

TOTAL U.S. DEATHS – ALL CAUSES:

2017 Total Deaths US: 2,813,503 (234,000/month)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db328.htm

2018 Total Deaths US: 2,839,205 (237,000/month)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

2019 Total Deaths US: 2,855,000 (238,000/month)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm

2020 Total Deaths US: 2,130,000 (236,000/month)
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-Select-Causes/muzy-jte6

2,130,000 + 236,000/month x 3 = 2,838,000

2017: 2,814,000
2018: 2,839,000
2019: 2,855,000
2020: 2,838,000 ?

Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. ??
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October 10, 2020 9:54am
- SB2
  
  Well it hasnt let dominate Trump’s life with his latest crazy rants.
  
  Has his Covid meds got to him with maybe a dose of Glaxo?
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:06am
- C J Southern
  
  Unfortunately you’re not taking all the variables into consideration; the economic destruction caused by COVID-19 in 2020 will cause many more lives to be lost. They just won’t all die in 2020. It’ll come from those who eventually commit suicide having lost their income, businesses, life savings, and homes. It’ll come from the lower life expectancy of those forced to live in poverty where they can’t afford quality food, heating, or medical treatment. It’ll come from those who couldn’t be diagnosed and treated in a timely manner due to limited hospital resources and lockdowns.
  
  The irony is that if people would stop behaving like neanderthaals and follow just a handful of infection control steps the damn virus would be dead in the water world-wide in about a month – and yet each and every day we’re seeing evidence of 250,000 to 300,000 unnecessary infection control failures.
  
  People don’t need to be “afraid” of it and they don’t need to let it “dominate their lives” – they just need to stop behaving like idiots for a month and knock it on the head. It’s been an eye-opener to observe that when stupid and irrational people are put in to life-altering situation that require the most rational and pragmatic decisions … they continue to make stupid and irrational decisions. Which is why we’re all screwed.
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:37pm
  - tf78
    
    CJ, if your names on the PAGE and your numbers up there’s not a hell of a lot you can do about. Enjoy every day as it comes and you will have many more days than you expected.
    
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    October 10, 2020 9:03pm
I remember when

The headline shouldn’t have been woman caught escaping from isolation premises.
It should have been “If woman hadn’t been caught the authorities wouldn’t even have known she had done so previously.”
There would have been no searching of surveillance cameras. No knowledge of possible contacts. No details of further weaknesses in the isolation control.
Possibly another unknown positive in the community.
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October 10, 2020 10:04am
- SB2
  
  So far so good,
  
  “The woman who absconded was swabbed this morning and tested negative. Her day three test is scheduled for tomorrow.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/427984/woman-uses-fire-exit-to-escape-covid-19-isolation-facility-in-central-auckland
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The woman was caught trying to abscond via the emergency stairs in the early hours of yesterday morning. It soon emerged that she had successfully absconded the night before, wandered around town for a few hours, then returned to the hotel and took the same staircase up to her room.
    
    If you believe that security is good enough in our MIQ facilities, I have a bridge for sale…
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:52am
    - SB2
      
      Tony Stuart, they are not corrections facilities!
      
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      October 10, 2020 2:34pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Actually Stephie, they are secure facilities, from which people are not supposed to escape or abscond. That’s why security is being enforced by the military.
        
        The women in question now has a military guard outside her room, to prevent her leaving. Maybe she’ll knot some sheets together and climb out, as a bloke did from the Sudima Hotel a couple of weeks ago.
        
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        October 10, 2020 4:47pm
    - Couchpotatoe
      
      Hopefully the irresponsible woman will be charged and face a hefty fine after all quarantine measures have ended.
      
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      October 10, 2020 8:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Talking of newspeak , this is the excuse :
  
  “Unfortunately a local decision was taken which meant that those guards were elsewhere on that evening”.
  
  Great , if any poor soldier is ever up on a capital charge before a court martial for goofing off on sentry duty that’ll be a useful defence.
  
  “I made a local decision to be somewhere else”
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:33am
Maggie Pie

Just back from Mangere. Had to drop my partner and a couple of his mates to the airport. They’ve chartered a plane to Wellington to watch a game of rugby. One of the guys was saying “…..how much Richie’s missus regrets he turned down the knighthood. There’s unlikely to be another chance”
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October 10, 2020 10:06am
- MCos
  
  I hope you kept the windows up when you went passed the Jet Park Hotel?
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:31am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Gawd yes! We even drove all the way round Tamaki Drive to avoid the Novotel next to the Greenlane motorway offramp.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:15am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, your partner can catch TWO games:
  
  Wellington play Otago at 4pm today
  New Zealand play those pesky Aussies at 4pm tomorrow
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’re staying 2 nights at some place on Oriental Parade.
    TBH, imagine they’ll be on the piss most of today Bikkie.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:25am
- SB2
  
  “..how much Richie’s missus regrets he turned down the knighthood.”
  
  ???
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Bet you’d feel the same way if your partner did, SB???
    
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    October 10, 2020 12:01pm
Catgurl13

Paul Goldsmith did very well this morning on The Nation this morning. He sounded great. Grant was his usual rude overbearing self trying to talk over Paul.
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October 10, 2020 10:08am
- Bob
  
  Has been my observation over the years that they who are telling porkies, or are just driveling will always try and shout down those who actually understand the topic; Comrade Clarke was very good at it… ignorance.
  
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  October 10, 2020 2:16pm
JibberJabber

Roll up, roll up, time to shoot the messenger,
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1314539674170515457

So much of the most impactful Trump-era “reporting” has been proven fraudulent — Cambridge Analytica, Alfa Bank & the Steele Dossier are just the latest
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October 10, 2020 10:23am
- SB2
  
  “So much of the most impactful Trump-era “reporting” has been proven fraudulent”
  
  Examples?
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:14am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Ummm, all of it ?…
    
    That the FBI fraudulently obtained warrants to spy on a US citizen is a far bigger scandal than anything Russiagate revealed. But media outlets are uninterested in abuse of power by FBI/DOJ & CIA because they were the key partners to these agencies in spreading disinformation.
    Even the Russiagate-friendly NY Times now essentially acknowledges, buried deep in articles, that the Steele Dossier was a fraud. But it goes far beyond that: there was massive abuse of power & disinformation from FBI & CIA as part of the 2016 Russiagate investigation & few care.
    
    You could just follow the link but I know you simpletons don’t want your bubbles burst, double digit IQs can’t handle anything other than “OMB”.
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:37am
Fletch

People just don’t realize the significance of this election in America. If the Democrats win, they will gut the Constitution to the point that the GOP may never win another election. The Dems want to pack the Supreme Court with their own nominees. When questioned, neither Joe Biden nor Kamila Harris will answer (you’ll find out after the election, says Joe).

They would expand the number of judges on that court to favour themselves. They would also ditch the filibuster, giving them carte blanche to push through whatever they want.

They would also get rid of the Electoral College which would favour big liberal cities in elections.

In short, the fix is in. And they intend to change constitutional laws to suit themselves. Nancy Pelosi did it with the impeachment when she took it upon herself unilaterally to start the impeachment process when it was supposed to be voted on and instigated by the House – ALL of the House, not just Nancy and the Democrats without taking a vote. No Republicans supported it.

Totally lawless.
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October 10, 2020 10:23am
- MCos
  
  We ditched their our equivalent of the Electoral College more than twenty years ago and few people want it reinstated.
  Basically it’s the tyranny of the minority.
  Similarly the filibuster is an absurdity.
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:38am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Except, of course, when the Democrats win it( like Obama did twice) then it’s the bees knees of electoral systems.
    If all the Lefties could grow up, that would be nice…
    
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    October 10, 2020 11:31am
    - MCos
      
      It wasn’t an issue in the two elections Obama won. He was well ahead in both the popular vote & electoral vote.
      GWB lost the popular vote to Al Gore, which means of the last three presidential elections Republicans have won they were behind on the popular vote.
      
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      October 10, 2020 2:07pm
AJL

Hey, so not really related to anything (this is the general debate after all)…
Was recently reading Stuff article about cost of election: ( https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123026286/election-2020-this-could-be-our-most-expensive-general-election-as-costs-approach-100m )
And something that stuck out was that the election cost $100mil, (usually closer to $50mil, but covid etc.), while political campaigns cost $3-4 mill for big parties and one mill for little ones. About $10mil total. Do these numbers seem right?

There’s been a lot of talk about sketchy sources of party funding over the past few years… would we be better off just giving parties their campaign budgets, and avoiding all that altogether?

It comes to about a dollar per year per person, which seems like a damn good deal, and afterwards we would (hopefully) be able to turn around and say “All political donations are illegal” and avoid all these weird donation scandles.

What do people see as the advantages? What do people see as the disadvantages? HOW would the Electoral office decide how to allocate this money? It’d need to be a super transparent process, and also one that allowed both new parties to enter and more serious parties to campaign.
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October 10, 2020 10:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  One of the reasons for the cost blowout this year is the number of advance voting places, and the duration they are open and staffed. The wages bill alone must be horrific, let alone rentals for two weeks.
  
  From memory, last election there was one advance voting place in Whanganui, then the customary number of polling places on Election Day. This year there are 17 polling places open seven days a week for two weeks, along with an additional 13 booths open on 17th October only. Each of those places has multiple staff, all of whom have to be paid.
  
  But hey, the Labour government’s attitude to money is such that what the heck? If the money runs out, they’ll just print more!
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:53pm
Catgurl13

That Shamubeel Equab on The Nation prog, was harping we shouldn’t be getting a tax cut. Well I wonder if he will decline his when he gets it?……my guess is he won’t……he’s a giant hypocrite.
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October 10, 2020 10:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Economists are chosen by their politics.
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:45pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Since Equab predicted that Whanganui was going to become a “zombie town”, the population has risen every year, after a number of years of stagnation. I would take any forecasts he makes with several kilograms of salt.
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:55pm
Happychappy

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/10/nz-election-2020-greens-use-outdated-emissions-figures-to-make-construction-industry-sound-worse.html
Surely James Shaw would not lie after calling out other leaders for the same practice and why aren’t other media websites calling out the Green Leader like they continually do to National.
It seems Labour and the Greens get special privileges from fact checkers.
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October 10, 2020 10:39am
Biscuit

I see on a separate thread that our de-appendixed patron is going to begin a post on ‘Ten Things I Like About Trump’.

I’ll throw in my Ten, David, to get you in the right frame of mind:

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His gaudy golden tower on Fifth Ave makes it quite easy to find the much more classy ‘Tiffany & Co’ flagship store next door

2
He has done wonders for the bottom lines of companies that make ties. L-o-n-g ties, particularly.

3
Ditto the manufacturers of fake tanning products.

4
He is easily the best President who has ever had the Christian name Donald.

5
He has beautiful hands, just tremendous hands, some of the best hands anyone has ever grown…

6
Peddling/Paddling..

7
Like..

8
A…

9
Duck…

10
Now…
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October 10, 2020 10:41am
- Inandout
  
  Anything to add above kindergarten level?
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Says more about you than Trump.
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:39am
tranquil

N*O*B*E*L
P*E*A*C*E
P*R*I*Z*E
U*N*W*F*P
D*O*P*E*Y
S*M*I*L*E
L*O*S*E*R
P*R*I*Z*E
C*I*N*D*Y
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October 10, 2020 10:47am
- RW Capitalist
  
  So…again…not a prize for peace.
  Just a prize (this time) for mitigating ONE of symptoms of war.
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:01pm
Cobolt24

The gene pool enhancers are at it again:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/one-dead-after-northland-police-pursuit/ar-BB19Sqlm?li=BBqdg4K
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October 10, 2020 10:56am
- Inandout
  
  Cobo, the road was opened quite soon after; good overall result and no innocent family wiped out. Hospital bill for the offenders: $250,000?
  
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  October 10, 2020 11:17am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Evolution in action but the gene pool remains contaminated by the driver.
    
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    October 10, 2020 1:34pm
Tasman Terror

In the words of the late great John Clark “we don’t know how lucky we are.”
For example there is a naive wee girl who regularly has bad hair days, wears tea towels for a living and to cover the said bad hair days, is a failed house and road builder, and is hated by 40 per cent of New Zealanders.
On the other hand that same wee girl is the highest paid beneficiary in Owe te a roa.
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October 10, 2020 11:03am
Catgurl13

[Deleted – do not discuss family or partners of Mp’s here. Further similar posts will result in a ban. Mod.]
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October 10, 2020 11:08am
oldfella

The SMH piece today on Cindy is interesting. Okay, yes, it’s a bit sycophantic, but there are some interesting insights into her Mormon upbringing, something never discussed locally.
So, read it or not, but maybe keep a barf-bucket handy, just in case. 😉
https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/the-leader-s-not-for-turning-is-jacinda-ardern-really-the-future-of-liberal-democracy-20200907-p55t86.html
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October 10, 2020 11:21am
- oob
  
  God that was nauseating.
  
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  October 10, 2020 12:14pm
Catgurl13

Debbie Ngarewa- Packer from Maori party was on The Hui this morning saying they support Cannibis legalisation. Doesn’t she realise that legalisation will only increase the amount of Maori with addiction problems and unemployment, specially in impoverished areas?. Amazing Maori party cannot see this would be a tragic decision for their people if they so want to help them.Debbie is well spoken and educated,but she is on another planet sadly.
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October 10, 2020 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Covid-19 might be just the thing to introduce into our introduced mustelid populations.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/09/us/mink-covid-outbreak-trnd/index.html
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October 10, 2020 11:39am
- oob
  
  Spotted a couple of stoats down near our place and immediately switched the NZ-made A-24 lure from rat to stoat.
  
  That was a year ago and neither of the little buggers have gone near it. The A-24 gets through the rats like a Labour party member gets through teenagers at an indoctrination camp but stoats, not so much.
  
  Why are stoats so difficult to trap?
  
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  October 10, 2020 2:20pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

is it bad to hope the all blacks lose tomorrow in hope the labour poll numbers will take a beating as well? asking for a friend.
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October 10, 2020 11:44am
Swifty

Pre-war cars at Goodwood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7nI2EGulQ
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October 10, 2020 11:44am
oldfella

I think we should instantly ban all rugby in this country till the world body reverses its shameful ban on biological males playing the women’s game.
I’m sure the All Blacks would be prepared to put their principles ahead of their pockets in joining in the ban, starting with the series against Aussie…
And I’m also sure Cindy would be prepared to drape her head with a rugby jersey and lead the protests. /sarc
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/123047298/world-rugby-slammed-for-banning-transgender-women-from-playing-elite-womens-rugby
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October 10, 2020 11:45am
Littletramp

Headline on Newshub site (along with a photo of Chloe Swarbrick). Greens commit to new Mental Health Minister if elected. If the Greens are elected, I suggest this would quickly become the country’s biggest and busiest portfolio.
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October 10, 2020 11:46am
- Catgurl13
  
  If we got rid of the Greens it would save a lot of madness in this country. Instantly a big saving.
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:39pm
greenfinger

Wow! Cindy did not win. What tragedy, what do you have the bomb maker peace prize? Oh well, at least she can claim to be a nominee on her CV? Will that count at the UN job interview?
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October 10, 2020 11:49am
- sooty
  
  Again!
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:33pm
- Flossie
  
  I understood the nominees cannot be known for fifty years. How do we know JA was even nominated?
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:04pm
- cmm
  
  It’s not what you achieve.
  It’s not even how hard you try.
  It’s what you say you want to achieve.
  
  Losing the NPP to a bunch of farmers makes her even more likeable.
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:38pm
Lee C

One for Andrew Little: https://youtu.be/BiqDZlAZygU
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October 10, 2020 11:57am
cmm

Dalziel thinks people will want to move from Auckland into the Chch CBD.

Sorry sweetie. CBDs are 1900s technology. They are dead.

If people move to Chch from Auckland they will end up living and working in satellite suburbs and towns.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/123034596/christchurch-mayor-suggests-attracting-auckland-businesses-could-boost-cbd-population
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October 10, 2020 12:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Where would they put an Auckland invasion? Christchurch is full up.
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:23pm
  - cmm
    
    No, not really:
    The CBD is rather empty because nobody want to be there. Like all CBDs it is stagnating and has been for over a decade before the EQ.
    
    Unlike AKL, Chch is surrounded by the Canterbury Plains and can easily grow into a 50 x 50 km mega city.
    I’m not saying that I would want that, but it could.
    
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    October 10, 2020 2:36pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The CBD is full of empty lots and is dismal. Life has gone to the suburbs. Housing is scarce too.
      
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      October 10, 2020 4:57pm
- Isobar
  
  Its the only way Aucklanders will ever hold the super rugby title again… By becoming part of the Crusaders ?
  
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  October 10, 2020 3:19pm
- greybeard
  
  If they got rid of Labour leftovers like Dalziel and had a decent centre-right mayor then maybe normal people would in fact move there.
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:01pm
cmm

Press says Chch is going to spend almost $200M on refreshing the museum.

Wow.

Of course these budgets always blow out fantastically. That $200M will become $500M.

With about 160k ratepayers in Chch that’s about $3k each – for just this one vanity project. There are of course many such projects going on.

Is this REALLY the best thing to be doing in a time of financial hardship?
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October 10, 2020 12:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the Museum has to ditch those depictions of the first Polynesians into the Canterbury region…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/123034456/canterbury-museum-reveals-dramatic-195m-revamp-designs#comments
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:51pm
alex Masterley

Voted.
Mt Albert – 4 ticks blue and no to canabis and euthenasia.
My democratic duty is done.
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October 10, 2020 12:56pm
- lifesgood
  
  Same votes but in Tamaki.
  
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  October 10, 2020 1:35pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Same, in Tauranga.
    Alex, I assume you are including your wife in those 4 ticks. 🙂
    
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    October 10, 2020 2:22pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Naturally. At the next election my oldest will be voting. I suspect from the way he talks the Masterley household will be 6 ticks blue. The one after will be 8 ticks blue when the youngest is able to vote.
      
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      October 10, 2020 2:39pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Well, my two sons and daughter all vote blue. In fact my second son is a close friend of Simon Bridges, and being a builder, does all Simon’s maintenance – mainly when Natalie asks for it. 😉
        And this year, 3 of my grandchildren are voting – the oldest who lives in Wellington has caught the socialist contagian and votes Green (or she did last election, despite assuring my son & me that she was voting blue – peer pressure – don’t know this year). My other 2 that are voting are solid blue. Next lection, the 4 remaining grandies will be voting, and they are blue (indoctrinated 😉 )
        
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        October 10, 2020 4:42pm
RF

From this family –

4 ticks Blue

2 ticks no to cannabis

1 tick prolife

1 tick euthanasia.

May the force be with you.
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October 10, 2020 1:25pm
- Flossie
  
  Snap!
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:06pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Why do police spokespeople say things like this

“Our officers come to work every day to keep people safe and prevent harm.”

No, they do not. They come to work every day to enforce only the laws that the PC Police Managers of the Day instruct them to enforce. And they clean up messes and paint outlines around corpses consequent from all too many lethal political decisions.
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October 10, 2020 1:38pm
Catgurl13

My 20 year old son (first time voter)and I both voted yesterday….4 ticks yellow. Hubby voted today 2 ticks blue today.
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October 10, 2020 1:43pm
I remember when

Good Lawd! How silly!
I thought it was a ‘Piece Prize’!
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October 10, 2020 1:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hubby was rung earlier today by someone identifying herself as being involved with Kiri Allan’s campaign. She asked if he had voted yet…
Hubby said he had.
She then asked if he would mind telling who he had voted for…
Which he honestly did…. (i.e. Not Kiri Allan).

I told him he needn’t expect a call-up to some Government advisory committee now.
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October 10, 2020 2:00pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….
I was just thinking how lucky we are.
In the decade or so we’ve been going to Tindalls, never once have I ever seen a shark in the bay, let alone heard of anybody being taken by one. Yet here we go again in WA……., another surfer killed off Esperance.
No wonder whenever my partner catches one off his boat he always fins the nasty things and watches them sink.

https://twitter.com/newsroomauHQ/status/1314717280559935488
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October 10, 2020 2:03pm
- oob
  
  Despicable.
  
  Anyone who mistreats an animal like that is subhuman.
  
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  October 10, 2020 2:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Don’t be a silly! Sharks are not ‘animals’…..they’re FISH.
    You sound like the type that thinks women don’t have the right to choose either 🙁
    
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    October 10, 2020 5:33pm
- cmm
  
  Freaking out about sharks is what stupid people do.
  
  In South Africa, it is still common for tens of thousands of people to flock to the beaches from Johannesburg etc every Christmas.
  Typically a hundred of them die on the roads to get there.
  They all have a wonderful time until the first shark attack, then they flee the coastal towns in a mad lemming run home and another hundred more die.
  
  But somehow “shark attack” is more frightening for people who do not even go into the water than hundreds of people dying on the roads.
  
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  October 10, 2020 2:42pm
- GoVege
  
  You’re kidding, ain’t you Maggie?
  
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  October 10, 2020 3:27pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2020/10/nz-election-2020-government-no-longer-placing-figure-on-housing-shortage.html

And some people think these morons deserve a second term…
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October 10, 2020 2:10pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Why would they? People are leaving NZ in their thousands.
  Labour fixed the shortage by destroying the economy.
  
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  October 10, 2020 5:12pm
Critical Thinker

?BREAKING?
Mike Pompeo Says He Has Hillary Clinton’s Deleted Emails and Will Begin Releasing Them Before Election Day

“We’ll get all of this information out so the American people can see them. There will be more to see before the election.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-mike-pompeo-says-hillary-clintons-deleted-emails-will-begin-releasing-election-day-video/

Judgement is coming.

https://youtu.be/DjwRHcRvBPg
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October 10, 2020 3:01pm
- cha
  
  Judgement is coming.
  
  Hilary’s going to lose?
  
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  October 10, 2020 7:04pm
Maggie Pie

Wouldn’t say i ‘freak out’ about them. A couple of years ago when we were in Hawaii, I bought one of those special zebra pattern bilinis that actually repels sharks. Certainly does the trick it seems.
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October 10, 2020 3:10pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Are you sure it was the bikini? 😉
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😛
    
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    October 10, 2020 5:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mike Pence is the first man in history to win an argument with a Woman …
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October 10, 2020 3:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh wait,
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFGiZT-MnI4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Rl_VSxXHKmbN4MrpZ3gaZXZXbBnastYTCbnH24nsisYcY9EVJW6D-maE
  
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  October 10, 2020 3:13pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Steve – wasn’t the first one, Jesus with Mary Magdalene?
  
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  October 10, 2020 3:40pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Adam with Eve ?
    
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    October 10, 2020 4:48pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Check the paintings of Adam and Eve. They have belly buttons. Think about that.
      
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      October 10, 2020 6:02pm
RJ

Huge turn out for Biden rally

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1314639304078094346
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October 10, 2020 3:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now – if only he had a BOAT and had it wrapped with ‘Biden 2020’
  Not happening is it?
  
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  October 10, 2020 6:05pm
RJ

Strong speech from someone never elected

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1313497393053212672
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October 10, 2020 3:18pm
GoVege

Nice to see a nice Maori lady as deputy children’s commissioner.
Like the way she brought attention to the fact so many Maori kids suffer loneliness and disconnection from their families.
Let’s hope the 100 million being given to do up maraes up and down the nation will be spent on training young Maori and helping heal some of that loneliness and disconnection.
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October 10, 2020 3:31pm
GoVege

Just read that the Van Halen brothers’ mother was Indonesian.
That explains those stunning good looks… 🙂 🙂
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October 10, 2020 3:43pm
jon

Election Night TV.. what a choice we have..Campbell on ONE will no doubt be endlessly thanking people whilst over on THREE that Tova Obrien will irritate viewers with that high pitch voice and wont be able to help herself by putting the boot into the Nats as well..what a shame we dont have a political commentator such as the likes of the very talented and excellent Peta Credlin on Sky News.
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October 10, 2020 4:29pm
- lifesgood
  
  I don’t want to watch either of them OR listen to red radio. What to do? Any ideas, people?
  
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  October 10, 2020 4:59pm
  - Wired-one
    
    Get out there with everyone you can muster and vote National and Act. Trump, Boris and Scomo were all meant to lose. Let’s make our own shock result and wipe the grin off all the woke lefts faces, starting with Tova and Campbell.
    
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    October 10, 2020 6:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It will be a Saturday night…
    
    You could paint your nails…
    You could play Patience with yourself…
    You could sort out your unlabeled photos…
    You could do the week’s ironing…
    
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    October 10, 2020 6:30pm
    - sooty
      
      Me, I am washing my hair!
      
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      October 10, 2020 10:26pm
- tf78
  
  jon, did you see Peta on Friday night telling Dan Andrews she was not going to rest until his lies have been exposed – go Peta!
  
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  October 11, 2020 6:08am
greybeard

Fullback Beauden Barrett ruled out with “injury” and replaced by Damian McKenzie.

In other words: the selectors realized that they had put BB in the wrong position, and rather than move him to the bench and move the real fullback ( Jordie Barrett ) from wing to his natural position they found a late injury.
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October 10, 2020 5:08pm
- oob
  
  No, it’s merely a continuation of the AB policy to run two playmakers, one from flyhalf and the other from fullback.
  
  The takeaway is the selectors see Jordie as a traditional fullback/wing and at a pinch inside-centre, but not a flyhalf.
  
  And I’m not an advocate of the dual-playmaker strategy, I like my fullbacks to be fullbacks. I’m also not in love with McKenzie at 15: brave lad, sparkling talent but (a) he’s a bit too helter-skelter in open play and (a very big B) I’m sick of seeing him get ragdolled when he’s the last line of defence. (Not his fault, purely stature.)
  
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  October 10, 2020 6:28pm
- Nookin
  
  Just curious, greybeard, but what sort of quantities of tinfoil do you have on hand at any one time? Do you need 24 hour protection?
  
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  October 10, 2020 6:28pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300129505/election-2020-jacinda-ardern-looks-to-seal-the-deal-as-she-asks-crowds-to-vote-right-away

Articles like this one on Stuff should surely be costed as part of the Labour Party’s election expenses.

What blatant Jacinda-support from Stuff.

Come on National supporters, get out there and let’s get rid of this pestilence !
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October 10, 2020 5:15pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Excuse my ignorance, but I was always under the impression that on Election Day all campaign billboards and activities have stopped so no influence is put on voters. So considering we’ve got two weeks of early voting how is that there are electioneering posters and party parasites on every corner?Isnt this a breach?
  
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  October 10, 2020 5:49pm
Critical Thinker

Good to see the World Food Programme win the 2020 Noble Peace Prize ?

It would have been sickening to see the Socialists Ardern or Greta win it.

Republican & former Governor David Beasley is the Chief of the WFP & is a staunch Trump supporter. & was appointed by President Trump. With Ivanka Trump helping to make the US the largest donor to the WFP.
https://www.devex.com/news/un-selects-david-beasley-trump-supporter-and-former-us-politician-to-lead-wfp-89950

Also President Trumps 3 Noble Peace Prize nominations are for 2021. Which he has a very good chance to win. Especially if he does indeed end up bringing peace to the Middle East & the Korean peninsula. Which is looking more & more likely ?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-president-donald-j-trumps-nomination-2021-nobel-peace-prize
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October 10, 2020 5:50pm
Critical Thinker

BREAKING: Presidential Debate moderator Steve Scully has deleted his account after getting caught conspiring against Trump by posting a tweet meant as a DM to Anthony Scaramucci, and then claiming he was “hacked.” ?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/steve-scully-twitter-account-deleted
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October 10, 2020 5:54pm
Critical Thinker

Donald Trump Says He Is ‘Medication Free’ After Coronavirus Treatments

The president said he currently felt “really good” and “really, really strong” after fighting the virus for over a week.

Trump again praised the antibody cocktail transfusion developed by Regeneron as helping him improve rapidly at the hospital.

“I just felt very good,” he said.

He said that he wanted the government to get the same treatment sent out to everybody and free of cost.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/09/donald-trump-says-he-is-medication-free-after-coronavirus-treatments
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October 10, 2020 6:25pm
RJ

Gee, I wonder why this failure, corrupt, incompetent government would stop this

New Zealand’s housing crisis was a centre point of Labour’s election campaign in 2017. As it formed the coalition government it pointed to a 71,000 shortfall nationwide.

But as Newshub Nation discovered when it tried to get updated figures, the Government is no longer taking stock.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2020/10/nz-election-2020-government-no-longer-placing-figure-on-housing-shortage.html
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October 10, 2020 6:28pm
- sooty
  
  They are failing bigly, that’s why!
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:23pm
lifesgood

Just got rung by Reid research. First time ever but, alas, they only wanted to talk to someone between the ages of 35 and 44 so that counted me out. I wonder why so age specific?
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October 10, 2020 6:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There is no obligation on any of us to be honest when cold-called by Polling companies.
  
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  October 10, 2020 7:12pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    JuCo today tried to claim the ‘shy Tory’ effect was a thing. Good luck with that!
    
    I don’t understand this. If you are called by a polling company you’d either say who you were voting for, or you’d decline to say (be undecided). Why on earth would you deliberately say you’d vote for the other side?
    
    To claim this effect happens en masse is delusional.
    
    But if not, why are Tories so shy? Why are they embarrassed about their values? So many questions.
    
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    October 10, 2020 8:38pm
    - Martin Williams
      
      The other scenario is that some of these polling companies exclude undecideds. This would cause problems if all or nearly all undecideds voted conservative.
      
      Still doesn’t answer the question about why they are shy. Why are they shy? Are they conflicted?
      
      I was called by Curia once. I said my piece with bells on.
      
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      October 10, 2020 8:47pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Maybe because they don’t want to get by people like you Martin.
      
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      October 11, 2020 7:39am
Maggie Pie

Just saw the PM on OneEwew’s preaching to the converted out at South Auckland somewhere.
Hope she took the opportunity to remind them all that their WOF’s are due tomorrow when the Covid amnesty runs out.
Over 200,000 now more than six months out of date according to Waka Kotahi NZTA. There wouldn’t be one from the Epsom electorate i bet.
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October 10, 2020 6:55pm
- Martin Williams
  
  Like John Banks once protested, ‘we don’t want them coming up from South Auckland climbing through our windows’, you don’t want them driving on Remuera roads…
  
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  October 10, 2020 8:33pm
Flossie

Just been reading Sam Neill is urging a Yes vote to cannabis. Why is his opinion worth anything? If he was some kind of medical professional maybe I’d be slightly interested in what he’s got to say.
Same goes for all other “celebs”.
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October 10, 2020 7:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Look Flossie,
  if you are not a celeb or an expert or a journalist, then your opinion counts for nought.
  
  The above folks are our betters and they know what is right for us.
  
  Don’t spend another minute worrying about matters that have already been decided.
  
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  October 10, 2020 7:16pm
  - Flossie
    
    Thanks for putting me straight about things Maggy!
    
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    October 10, 2020 7:36pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Did our brains evolve to foolishly follow celebrities?
      https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23046602
      
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      October 10, 2020 8:07pm
Flossie

And while I’m having a grump, I want to know why the Maori Party seems to be getting privileges (being in the TV debate etc) not afforded to other minor parties. Tamahere and his racist wants can just get lost.
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October 10, 2020 7:06pm
Maggie Pie

Having a quiet night in by myself tonite. Snuck out earlier and got a family pack of KFC – extra potato & gravy, a bean salad, and a diet coke.
I hope they replay that ad soon, the one where Jacinda remind us….. “Wash your hands”
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October 10, 2020 7:30pm
- sooty
  
  Why so you can throw the potato and gravy and bean salad at tv?
  
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  October 10, 2020 10:20pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Looks as if the WHO and Big Pharma tried all this in 2009:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhpw0gTbSow&feature=youtu.be
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