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Maggie Pie

Black
Fridays
Matter
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November 13, 2020 8:00am
- peterwn
  
  Which Black Friday – today or the day after Thanksgiving in USA (which has spread to NZ in the last few years).
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:03am
  - Biscuit
    
    Aaaargh, peterwyn.
    
    Dopey Moi left this page ‘open’ on my PC whilst I went and fed the puddytat and my partner espied your comment.
    
    She now wants to go shopping.
    
    Curseth thou!
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:14am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Here’s a tip.
      
      She always wanted to go shopping, she always was going to go shopping.
      
      You, the wallet, left the excuse for all to see .
      
      No sympathy.
      
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      November 13, 2020 8:34am
      - Biscuit
        
        :: Cries ::
        
        :: Crosses Paulus Gnome’s name off his ‘Kiwibloggers To Buy An Early Chrissy Pressy For’ list ::
        
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        November 13, 2020 8:52am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Maaaaaaaaaaaaaate, I’m not even on Santa’s list!
        
        I am on the pork pie and can of lager in front of the Queens speech in underpants and singlet me!
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:08am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  After watching Hipkis on the 2pm Covid briefing, I think we can safely say the Labour party has launched its 2023 election campaign. And, of course it World “Be Kind”, so quite fitting.
  
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  November 13, 2020 2:24pm
Scott

Honestly we are in a mad house. One case of the virus and 100,000 Aucklanders are “asked” to stay home from work today.

We are still pursuing elimination. One case and Auckland gets shut down. Does anyone else think that’s insane?

Does anyone in our government have any sense of proportion? Are you going to lock your citizens down every time someone sneezes?

And what does it mean to “ask” all the CBD workers to stay home? Is that a legally enforceable order? Or just a polite suggestion? Out of that abundance of caution. Some would say massive overreaction.

And finally to the people of NZ. You voted for this. Do you regret it yet?

Because this is what is going to happen for months and months. A continual rolling maul of shutdowns and lock downs because of our elites who are happy to control you.

Has anyone got any courage to face this situation and have any sense of proportion? Surely we are better than this?
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November 13, 2020 8:01am
- SGA
  
  And finally to the people of NZ. You voted for this. Do you regret it yet?
  
  On the basis of Labour’s sweeping win (knowing in advance their approach to Covid), the evidence is that people sort of willingly signed up to it. No?
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:08am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Willingly while uninformed, therefore ignorantly.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s hope these 23,000 folk manage to pick up a decent job before the country goes into Summer hiatus..
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/430505/covid-19-income-relief-payment-comes-to-end-thousands-may-be-left-without-support
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:15am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Did you want me to ring Darryl Kerrigan and see what he thinks?
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:25am
- G152
  
  The ‘pandemic’ has not gone away.
  The faces at the podium looking concerned on TV know that the second third and fourth waves are coming.
  And theres a political party that knows its shiny leader is going to look a mite grubby but they are the government..
  And those who elected them may have second thoughts by the next election
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:22am
  - Frank the tank
    
    No. The majority of the population still believes they are extras in the Lego movie and the government saved 80,000 lives.
    
    This virus will go the way of the common cold -1,000s of mutations each getting progressively weaker as the virus strives to reproduce and not kill its host. FFS it is now transmitted through minks. What are we going to do when it starts transmitting through cats and dogs more readily – kill those too?
    
    The Blairite will not get blamed though – it’s a tricky virus
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:34am
    - sooty
      
      It’s a tricky chinky virus!
      
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      November 13, 2020 10:22am
  - igm
    
    Hopefully, those that voted for them, now realise what a stupid mistake they made.
    These deadbeats will break this country, financially and socially.
    CCP have been successful!
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:32am
  - maggiemay
    
    Has NZ even had a first wave?
    
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    November 13, 2020 11:14am
    - fernglas
      
      No. That will occur next winter. By which time the rest of the world will be over it. Get out while you can
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:31pm
- Simon
  
  ” One case and Auckland gets shut down. Does anyone else think that’s insane? ”
  
  Government badly fucked up the Wuhan sniffles. Cant now admit to making a mistake. The pretense must continue. The lies must continue. Double down.
  
  In Europe it is now all about ” build back better” which is remaking society a new 21st century socialist way using Covid to wreck economies and personal freedoms first. #World Economic Forum
  
  In the US the fake Biden/ his handlers are desperate to collapse the US economy in February for the “build back better” there.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:28am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Yeah right. We need to remove all restrictions so the tourists will flood (?) back again and we will start buying CBD lunches(??).
    
    There will be a bit of an increase (???) in cases, but the deaths will largely be oldies. So we 70+ types can just take one for the team. 🙂
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:12am
    - amospicton
      
      Understand that if you are vulnerable your health is your responsibility. Act accordingly, but don’t expect the rest of the country to shut down. The impact in terms of jobs, stress etc is simply too high. More quality adjusted life years will be lost through these childish attempts to win the World Champs of Virtue than by being sensible.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:19am
      - Ian Boag
        
        if you are vulnerable your health is your responsibility. Act accordingly …
        
        Hmm.
        
        No shopping? Stay off the bus/aeroplane? No eating out? No movies? No sporting events? No direct contact with younger (family) folk? Don’t go to the office? etc etc
        
        That should all work.
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:40am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Good grief. Get a grip.
      
      500+ die of the seasonal fly in NZ every year for years.
      
      This year, Low. Double. Figures. Will be hugely outnumbered by the deaths from unemployment, depression, alcoholism, violence, etc.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:34am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @amos
        
        I’m not advocating anything – just spelling out what it means to throw oldies to the wolves as you seem to be advocating. And that won’t bring back the tourists or CBD eaters …
        
        eg one might wonder about measures like “oldie-only” shopping sessions at the supermarket etc.
        
        Noone seems interested in looking very hard at any of this. eg What lessons could we take from Sweden? They ballsed up a few bits initially, but seem to have improved things ….
        
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        December 13, 2019 10:14am
      - amospicton
        
        And how is all that different to the lock-downs you seem to be advocating for all Ian? The virus is a threat to a minority – those who are elderly or who have other morbidities. It is not a major hazard to the majority of the population. If you are unfortunate enough to be in the vulnerable group you need to accept that and take precautions. That’s unfortunate but it’s the reality.
        
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        November 13, 2020 10:02am
      - SGA
        
        500+ die of the seasonal fly in NZ every year for years.
        
        The seasonal fly has a particularly nasty bite. 🙂
        
        Joking aside, roughly there are 60,000 influenza-related deaths each year in the USA. Currently, there are 240,000+ Covid-related deaths, probably looking at a 275,000 to 300,000 for 12 months ending in March 2021.
        
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        November 13, 2020 10:13am
      - SGA
        
        That’s unfortunate but it’s the reality.
        
        No, it’s not. It is what you think should be the reality (rightly or wrongly). It is a choice with pros and cons on both sides.
        
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        November 13, 2020 10:16am
- Paulus
  
  Remember Cindy’s real requirement – Control !
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:34am
  - SGA
    
    meh – I am in contact with various people outside of NZ. Many are envious of the relative freedom with which people in NZ have managed to live their lives over most of this year.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:24am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      “Relative” freedom.
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:32am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Relative to who?
      Why would compare ourselves to anyone else.
      We are very fortunate, we live on an Island chain in the middle of the Pacific.
      Making it incredibly simple to keep a disease like this out completely….but they didn’t.
      Why?
      Because they were actually late in acting (didn’t shut the border BEFORE it got here) and attacked the economy instead of the disease.
      https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/publications/influenza-pandemic-plan-framework-action-2nd-edn-aug17.pdf
      P72 “keep it out”
      P79 “stamp it out”
      They missed the “keep it out” phase and went straight to the “wack a mole phase” and failed.
      This was not hind sight, this was a MASSIVE failure of this govt to follow well reasoned advice.
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:39am
- burt
  
  Lock down has worked so well we’re about to do it for the third time.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:00am
  - Jimbob
    
    I’m pleased I don’t live in Auckland.
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:34pm
    - lifesgood
      
      ..or Napier.
      
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      November 13, 2020 5:01pm
- freethinker
  
  Scott – Surely we are better than this?
  
  The results of the last 2 elections show a majority of NZers are not, indeed they are like sheep so sheeple is a good description.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:02am
- Sacha
  
  I think that the government needs to keep the population under threat of further lockdown until the ‘vaccine’ arrives. There will be immense pressure on everyone they deem at risk to be vaccinated so that Mr and Mrs Gates are kept on side.
  If the spread of the virus is contained, think of International Kudos that will be heaped on the PM! Think of the favourable publicity for the Gates Image and Empire.
  Are we are in the process of being played?
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:02am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    We’re more in the process for being screwed without foreplay or KY.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:34am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Just think what they are going to do to the economy at this level of competence.
  MP’s are going to have to be certified as fit to govern.
  Voters will require prior commonsense testing certification too.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:16am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sheeple will exactly do what the Leader asks them to do. They voted for her. Let them suffer. WE ARE NOT BETTER THAN THIS.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:33am
  - tf78
    
    I did not and never would vote for Dear Leader, let alone Labour – I am not one of ‘them’.
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:14pm
- Mrs_Right
  
  You’d think the managed isolation facilities would be as far away as possible from the country’s biggest regional economy!
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:51am
  - Ruawai
    
    and far away from the highest population density.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:10am
- Scooter
  
  Come on, get with the programme NZ. Don’t you know you have to fall in line with the rest of the world, time for your next lockdown.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:57am
- Bobba Fret
  
  As it happens to be a Friday, I reckon they will get more people than normal comply with the “work from home” as they will see it as a cruisy day and a longer than normal weekend.
  Government will crow about how pleased they were that so many people took their advice and stayed home.
  Financial cost to NZ? Just put it on our ever increasing tab!
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:58am
- Happy1
  
  The elimination strategy has the support of the vast majority of New Zealanders. It is here to stay and few care what your view is. Obviously the case in Auckland is a problem and it is better to put the effort in against it now than after it has spread. As stated the “work from home” was a request not a legally enforceable law. At 600 a day 1/3 of all deaths in the U.K are covid. Some of us know how lucky we are in this country and some don’t.
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:34am
Tony Stuart

Has a new method of Covid testing been developed, quite literally behind our backs?

https://twitter.com/AliLeonardMC/status/1326957487426203649
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November 13, 2020 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Do you matter in Cindy’s world? I guess not Tony bro.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:33am
artemisia

Is fast food cheaper than shopping and actual cooking? Well, maybe if it’s out of season courgettes, probably not a priority for many households struggling to pay the rent.

At least Alf Filipaina, Auckland councillor for Manukau, in his very strange quote below mentions ‘other issues’ though whether that refers to rents rising or fast food consumption is not clear –

“We’ll end up looking at families choosing between food on the table and paying their rent. And I know at the moment they would end up paying their rent, and looking at fast food because it’s cheap, and then we get into other issues.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/housing-market-bolts-away-auckland-up-163-to-hit-1m-nz-prices-up-198/F5R3TDOLRDZAY6E3D2IZYVZ62M/
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November 13, 2020 8:05am
- Flossie
  
  I know I personally could cook three meals at home for the price of a takeaway meal. I get so annoyed constantly hearing this nonsense that fast food is the go to for poor families as it’s cheaper than making stuff themselves. Perhaps we need to insist beneficiaries must attend some budgeting and/or cooking courses.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Cooked chicken from the supermarket, base for a meal for four is $10/11.00
    
    One big mac as an appetiser for 1 is $16.00 (I don’t really know the price tbh because I never have them)
    
    Difference between the two, effort.
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:40am
    - Catgurl13
      
      An Indian curry with naan bread and a fizzy drink is now $17. I can make very big pot of curry with a tray of chicken breasts, tin tomatos,chick peas, lentils, spuds,onions,spices and coconut cream rice. All for about $$13. It lasts 3 nights for 4 people.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:42am
    - theoldbloke
      
      Have found myself in a situation where I have had to eat out every day. In Tauranga.
      Large Value Pizza – Dominos $5
      Big mac fries & Drink $12
      Fresh caught Snapper & chips Cooked from the Wharf $9.
      
      Just to add some facts to your fakenews 🙂
      $16 Bigmac
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:50am
      - Catgurl13
        
        Yeah but how’s your waist line?
        
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        November 13, 2020 1:10pm
  - oob
    
    We should do that but the solution is to stop giving beneficiaries money and start giving them foodstamps instead, to prevent them from spending money on anything we as a society haven’t pre-approved.
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:45am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Food stamps can be sold. The real solution is personal responsibility and people won’t learn that if their choices are taken away.
      
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      November 13, 2020 8:56am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Food stamps have been replaced in many states by an limited-purchase EFTPOS card. There are of course still shop owners who rort this, but it is harder.
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:08am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Not if they have Photo ID on them, they cannot be sold as easily. There will always be abuse of freebies but we are not even trying to control it.
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:36am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Hump
        
        No – the shop owner sells (eg) cigarettes and rings them up as something else ….
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:51am
    - freethinker
      
      A food only credit card.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:07am
      - Flossie
        
        My partner has been approached at the supermarket by a woman offering him a grocery card in exchange for cash. Obviously the food only EFTPOS card will work with many but not all.
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:22am
      - tf78
        
        freethinker, didn’t Bill English have that system in place for young mums, which resulted in less teen pregnancies. They had also the will to work. But no, Cindy immediately scraped that and doled out an extra $65/week for new babies and the cycle started all over again.
        
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        November 13, 2020 12:22pm
    - artemisia
      
      A restricted card is already in place in the Young Parent Payment programme. Introduced by National under social investment, the programme supports teen parents in a number of ways, including extra payments for undertaking specified responsibilities such as enrolling their child in ECE and GP, attending budgeting and parenting classes.
      
      It would be easy enough, though expensive, to extend the scheme to include households that would benefit.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:16am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Oh Nationa introduced plan? Time to stop it!
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:35am
  - Catgurl13
    
    Agreed. Takeaway night costs about $60 for a family of 4 including two hungry teenage boys in our house. I can make 3 dinners including curry and casseroles that can last 2 nights each meal for that money.
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:48am
  - cas
    
    A pack of 72 Weetbix on special this week for $5.99. That works out at 8 cents a Weetbix. So why do kids need free lunches at achool?
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:19am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      You can’t live on Weetbix alone bro.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:35am
    - alphabeatrium
      
      I agree, although you’re not accounting for milk, which is very expensive. My budget hack is to use the powdered stuff. I use it in porridge, and I can’t tell the difference over normal milk, and it’s a fraction of the price and lasts ages in the cupboard.
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:11am
    - yossarian
      
      There’s more nutrition in the cardboard box wetbix comes in, than the wetbix themselves
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:25am
  - Sacha
    
    @ Flossie: and I can cook a simple meal (meat & 3 veg) in the time it would take me to go to the take-away –
    But once upon a time when people got married they received gifts which contributed to the establishment of their household.
    They would be given everything from dinner services, to pots and pans, and salt and pepper shakers. They would get table cloths and clothes pegs, and sets of cutlery and useful kitchen appliances – as well as bed linen, and a clock for the mantelpiece.
    In short, they would likely have almost everything needed to start married life.
    How many people get married now?
    Who cares if they have a pot to boil the spuds in?
    Anyway, we have fast food outlets so who needs to cook?
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:20am
    - Flossie
      
      Once upon a time those things you refer to cost quite a lot, back when we didn’t have Kmart and Warehouse etc. These people could also check out a garage sale or similar and find the necessary items very cheaply. My suggested budget/cooking courses could make these suggestions to their participants!
      And who needs to cook? Families with limited income certainly do!
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:37am
    - Catgurl13
      
      That’s was when people bothered to get married and stay married. Now they pretend to be single while claiming DPB even though they live together. And these types still have nothing.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:50am
    - tf78
      
      Pots and pans are incredibly cheap and very good quality from the Warehouse. There is no excuse apart from the willingness to do so.
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Is this is a call for rent control or subsidised rent? Either way, it’s probably the Govt’s wish.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:43am
- DeepBlue
  
  I think he is saying once they start eating fast food regularly the other problems begin…. Obesity, teeth decay, family disengagement, loss of skills, disease etc.
  
  These are enough ‘other issues’ to be concerned about when people can’t afford to eat healthful foods.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:21am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    But they can afford to eat healthful foods.
    
    Supermarkets to offer free demonstrations?
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:18am
  - Flossie
    
    If they can afford takeaways they can afford “healthful foods”.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:23am
  - Overworked
    
    “Healthful” foods are way cheaper to buy and cook than fast food. But you can’t rock into the supermarket and buy winter tomatoes or offshore plums just because you’d like them. You need to wait till peak season to do that. It’s not hard.
    A small amount of meat and basic in-season vegetables works just fine.
    
    MSD even has (or had?) a free downloadable cookbook that had good recipes in it, but interest is about zero.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:31am
- Billy Collins
  
  Fish and chips is cheaper.
  
  Everything else isn’t though.
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:58am
peterwn

So a Trump support group is offering a $25,000 bounty for those reporting instances of electoral fraud.
Reminds me of years ago when NZ Government offered a bounty for each rat caught. Kids bred rats to collect the bounties. So creative people will ‘breed’ instances of electoral fraud to collect the $25,000.
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November 13, 2020 8:08am
- MCos
  
  Then there was the Sheep Retention Scheme which was a slightly more sophisticated version of the same sort of thing.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:45am
- C J Southern
  
  True.
  
  Unfortunately for them, whilst it may sound like a good idea (to them) at the time, things change when you’re standing in the dock giving evidence under oath and the potential penalty of perjury.
  
  Court cases to date: 30
  Votes changed in their favour: 0
  Cases closed: 18
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:15am
  - peterwn
    
    Number of lawyers smarting after receiving a drubbing from the judges: 18+
    
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    November 13, 2020 11:08am
    - C J Southern
      
      Lol – yeah – pretty much.
      
      Would be good if people had better access to the unedited proceedings so that they can see reality vs Trump’s nonsense. I suspect that it would quickly burst a few bubbles and serve as a much-needed reality check.
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It too late. The basic exclusion of scrutineers has done them in.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:19am
  - C J Southern
    
    Ah – them being the ones that weren’t actually excluded …
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:57am
KevO'Brien

Chair of the Federal Election Commission Trey Trainor believes voter fraud is taking place in states still counting ballots.
“State law allows those observers to be in there,” he said, adding if the law isn’t being followed then this election is “illegitimate.”
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/trey-trainor-fec-trump-2020-election/2020/11/06/id/995772/
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November 13, 2020 8:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Trumpkin says what?
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:16am
  - Simon
    
    REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.
    
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:31am
    - virtualmark
      
      Trump keeps feeding you shit, and you keep asking for a bigger spoon …
      
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      November 13, 2020 8:57am
      - Catgurl13
        
        There are vids on the net with mathmeticians explaining how the Biden votes don’t match up to the actual party votes in the election stats. There are many cases of dead people having voted for Biden…..amazing!!!
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:21am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        And yet here you are, without even a long handle on your own spoon…
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:37am
      - C J Southern
        
        No Catgurl13 – there are not “many cases of dead people voting for Biden”.
        
        People REALLY need to start fact checking.
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:59am
      - MCos
        
        After 9/11 a run of the mill engineer made megabucks by going on a speaking tour touting a theory that the whole thing was an inside job.
        He produced a plausible video to prove his point, which he probably didn’t believe himself.
        BTW
        Last time I checked that Hannity bloke had an income of around $30p.a.
        
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        November 13, 2020 1:19pm
    - C J Southern
      
      And yet ZERO court cases over this to date. Why would that be?
      
      Total cases so far: 30
      Already concluded: 18
      Votes changed in favour of Trump: 0
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:19am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      A whistle blowing employee of Dominion (voting machines):
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDEUUK6yRBY&feature=emb_logo
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:22am
      - virtualmark
        
        Anyone can lie in a YouTube video. So get an affadivit, take it to Court, put it in front of a Judge.
        
        Or, Trump could just go golfing while he fleeces his sheeply suppporters for one final grift contribution to his “Legal Defence Fund” *cough*.
        
        In fact, here it is … https://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund If you believe Trump’s claims you should willingly send the “billionaire” your money. God knows he needs your money more than your children do right?
        
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        November 13, 2020 9:36am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Fake news.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:37am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      More cases filed:
      https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1326976847792508936
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:09am
- peterwn
  
  And it turned out that Pennsylvania (if I remember correctly) observers were allowed to be present, despite what Trumpists were saying.
  An awful lot of lawyers handling Trump electoral fraud claims are looking plain stupid as judges question and rip into them as they try and promote Trump’s stupid claims. They are being reduced to waffling.
  See my comment above about NZ’s rat bounty scheme years ago.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:04am
  - bruceavon
    
    Yes. If you review the Trump court cases so far they have been pitiful. The Pennsylvania case claimed Republican observers weren’t allowed in. What they failed to say is that the room was at maximum capacity for covid and that Republican observers were already in the room at roughly equal or more numbers than Democrat observers. When the judge asked if there were republicans already in the room, Trumps lawyer replied that there were “non-zero persons in the room”
    Which is lawyer BS if I ever heard it.
    So the judge says “what are we here for then?”
    And threw the case out.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There is a video interview. The denial of scrutineers, independently of the SCOTUS warning is given as making the whole election “illegitimate”.
  That is from the Head of the Federal Election Commission whose task is to oversee the election. His opinion counts.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:24am
  - peterwn
    
    He was referring to instances where scrutineers were completely denied access and AFAIK there were NO such cases. He was obviously not referring to instances where a party wanted ridiculously large numbers of scrutineers present. And it seems an electoral ploy is to try and stack a counting centre with so many scrutineers that counting becomes almost impossible.
    
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    November 13, 2020 11:13am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Who of us were there? There is a great fuss about disputed facts to which we are not privy. I am happy to observe the operation of law but keep away from taking sides. We should know the outcome by the middle of December.
      We are powerless to influence the outcome and have to live with whatever comes.
      
      It would be better to concentrate on checking the actions and faults of our new amateur communist govt.
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In one city (not sure which) there were so many vote counters that 4 were in the lunchroom unsupervised.
  Now what is a common thing in a lunchroom? Where does the waste go? Trump votes went to the same place.
  I think it was Detroit but not sure.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:40am
  - C J Southern
    
    Dude, you’ve lost the plot.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:02am
  - MCos
    
    “I think it was Detroit but not sure”
    
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    November 13, 2020 1:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sorry, missing your leftist point buddy
      
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      November 13, 2020 3:28pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Kindness Day!
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November 13, 2020 8:15am
- MCos
  
  Bah humbug
  
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  November 13, 2020 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

My partner wont be heading into the city today. He reckons the CCP are determined to get us one way or the other.
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November 13, 2020 8:21am
- MCos
  
  If they don’t get you Wilson’s Parking will.
  
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  November 13, 2020 1:23pm
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A couple of days ago ‘Kiwi in America’ put up a post about the probably election fraud in the US election. I thought it worthy of sharing to Facebook.
Result: My Facebook account has been permanently disabled for not following Facebooks “community standards”
I queried this and apparently they are “always looking out for the security of people on Facebook” WTF?
Is this possibly worse than the Fascist/Communist propaganda of the 1930’s I wonder.
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November 13, 2020 8:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Some of the social networks are getting more active in preventing the deliberate spread of disinformation.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:33am
  - amospicton
    
    Possibly so MM but why is it only ‘disinformation’ that opposes the woke narrative that gets shut down?
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:22am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    And yet here you still are, Mikey-san.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Deliberate spread of ‘truth’ Get it right Mike. 3 weeks ago I got 7 days in FB jail for sharing the truth. Partly false but they don’t say which part. Control!
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:44am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    They did nothing about the Russia or Ukraine allegations, including current accusations of those things even though they have been investigated and there was no evidence.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:51am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Do you want to live in a non-free world? Tolerance seems to be being denied.
    
    What, say, your opinions are blacklisted would that be “preventing the deliberate spread of disinformation.” It goes in both directions. Some people have even been sent to re-training farms or simply executed to ensure their compliance with State edicts.
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:39pm
- Raphael
  
  It’s one of the reasons why it’s important for Trump to win.
  He will use section 230 to force Facebook, Google and Twitter et al to function as platforms, not publishers.
  
  If Biden wins, Big Tech (who actively follow the Woke religion) will silence all those who they think are heretics and blasphemers.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:46am
- C J Southern
  
  They probably read some of the comments and concluded that it was a site where conspiracy thinkers enjoy a lot of support – and as much as it pains me to say this, they’d be right. And yes, I’m being serious; there appear to be many who need “a checkup from the neck up” about what they consider to be credible information sources. And what you experienced was the real-world consequence of that.
  
  Permanent ban seems harsh; but on the bright side they probably did you a favour. I gave up on FB months ago; too many people hell-bent on documentary their stupidity. I haven’t regretted it (or missed it) for a moment.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:47am
  - C J Southern
    
    Oh gosh – how predictable.
    
    You folks really need to get out of your echo chamber. When group-think here thinks they’re right and most of the world is wrong it’s time to look in the nearest mirror to see the source of the problem.
    
    But will that ever happen? … not a chance – but equally, it won’t change reality either. What is the reality? Let me spell it out to you:
    
    1. Trump is a toxic pig of a human being whilst Biden is a decent human being.
    
    2. The above shouldn’t be construed to imply that I’m saying that none of his policies were any good or that Biden will be any better.
    
    3. Being a toxic pig with little credibility was always going to be a turn-off to many voters; the irony is that he could have enacted the same policy using rational explanation and demonstrating competence and he’d probably have won the election – but that just wouldn’t have been in alignment with Brand Trump.
    
    4. The elections were free and fair – despite what many here appear to believe. To date 30 court cases have not resulted in so much as a single vote being overturned in their favour – and qualified legal professionals have stated that they expect the existing results to stand.
    
    The bottom line is Trump lost. It was close, but he lost – and WILL be out of the Whitehouse come 20 Jan 2020 no matter how many links people here post to uncredible material.
    
    Righto – now that you’ve had reality spelled out … start with the down-ticks.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:44am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Biden IS NOT a decent human being. That simply isn’t true.
      I do agree that Trump is a toxic pig, I just think that they’re both full of unlikeable issues and disagree that Trump’s inability to lie as well as Biden makes him a worse person.
      So it comes down to policy and not how that policy is delivered.
      I also believe people should make their own decisions and take responsibility for them so blaming Trump for people’s decisions is entirely unreasonable (even when Trump is being a moron).
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:56am
      - C J Southern
        
        The reality is that “people’s perception is their reality”; and I (strongly) suspect that many more people see Biden as a decent human being (myself included) than they do Trump.
        
        The bottom line is that most people aren’t going to buy your product if they don’t like you or don’t trust you – no matter how good the product is.
        
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        November 13, 2020 10:07am
      - bruceavon
        
        John Key would disagree with you about Biden. I heard a long interview with him last night where he describes meeting Biden when he came here and how he thought he was genuine and liked him a lot.
        It made me realise how badly the National Party need some one like Key again.
        
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        November 13, 2020 10:22am
    - theoldbloke
      
      I seem to be in a minority.
      But it seems to me that all Americans should support the challenges to the voting situation in the USA.
      
      It would go a long way to sorting out whether the voting system is fair and transparent blah blah.
      
      But of course whatever is done in the name of Trump is to be vehemently apposed.
      
      Sad day for open democracy.
      
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      November 13, 2020 10:00am
      - C J Southern
        
        There is a HUGE difference between asking a court to determine the answer to legitimate questions vs the farcical cases that they’re presenting (the majority of which have already been rejected, dismissed, or otherwise not concluded in their favour).
        
        30 cases to date – 0 votes changed to date.
        
        “Fishing expedition” is a better name for it.
        
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        November 13, 2020 10:46am
    - Mrs_Right
      
      Biden is a corrupt career politician, get your blinkers off.
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:24am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You need to learn a lesson in manners. No one should be called a toxic pig.
      
      Almost all of us here are too remote from the USA to have any knowledge of facts other than the sorry biased summaries generally published. They are inadequate to form any sensible comment on.
      You’re just going to have to wait until Dec 14 when the Electoral College reports. Their decision will be a fact.
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:52pm
      - C J Southern
        
        I hate to burst your bubble, but here’s a couple more facts you won’t like:
        
        1. I started out as a big Trump supporter.
        
        2. I don’t base my opinion on him based on what MSM reports; I based it on what Trump himself says and does.
        
        The defining characteristics of him are:
        
        1. He’s toxic.
        
        2. He talks a load of shit (unless of course the US really is “rounding the corner” with the virus and the ever escalating daily infaction counts that have almost doubled since he first said it are all wrong).
        
        3. He has no credibility.
        
        You’re right; I really shouldn’t call him a pig. In my experience pigs are harmless benign animals.
        
        There have been plenty of facts reported; a handful here just don’t appear to like them and so they reject reality and substitute something more to their liking.
        
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        November 13, 2020 2:28pm
      - C J Southern
        
        PS: Since you’re taking the moral high-ground on manners, you might like to lecture this guy too:
        
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/12/fact-check-trump-comments-women-megyn-kelly/31525419/
        
        “FAT PIGS. CHECK.
        
        Most, but not all, of the invective mentioned by Kelly was directed at comedian/actress Rosie O’Donnell. Trump and O’Donnell got into an extended, very heated and very public war of words in 2006, after O’Donnell, then a cohost and moderator of The View, criticized Trump’s handling of a decision not to dethrone a Miss USA winner caught drinking underage.
        
        Firing back, Trump called O’Donnell “untalented” and of “less than average” intelligence. He referred to O’Donnell as a “big, fat pig.” He also called her a “real loser” and referred to her as “my nice fat little Rosie.” And here’s a video of Trump at the Learning Annex Real Estate and Wealth Expo in 2007 referring to O’Donnell as a “disgusting pig.”
        
        DOGS. CHECK.
        
        In April, Trump took to Twitter to attackHuffington Post Editor Arianna Huffington: “Why is it necessary to comment on [Huffington’s] looks?” Trump asked. “Because she is a dog who wrongfully comments on me.”
        
        Exhibit 2: In 2011, The New York Times Op-Ed columnist Gail Collins wrote that she “referred to [Trump] in print as a ‘financially embattled thousandaire’ and he sent me a copy of the column with my picture circled and ‘The Face of a Dog!’ written over it.”
        
        SLOBS. CHECK.
        
        Back to O’Donnell again. In the 2006 spat, Trump told the Insider, “Rosie O’Donnell’s disgusting both inside and out. You take a look at her, she’s a slob.” He used the same term to describe O’Donnell in that video we mentioned earlier from the 2007 Real Estate and Wealth Expo.
        
        DISGUSTING ANIMAL
        
        Last month, attorney Elizabeth Beck told CNN that during a 2011 deposition, Trump called her “disgusting” when she requested a break to pump breast milk. Trump did not deny calling her disgusting but defended himself by saying she wanted to use her breast pump in front of him.”
        
        Haven’t met the guy personally, but he sounds REALLY “presidential” …
        
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        November 13, 2020 4:22pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who is a conspiracy thinker? Are scientists who question present reality in that category? To advance it’s imperative to put one foot in front of another, sometimes falls will occur. Does that mean risk should never be taken?
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:43pm
- Critical Thinker
  
  That’s absolutely Orwellian of Facebook to PERMANENTLY disable your account flash ?
  
  How can sharing this reasonable and rather benign post from kiwi in america go against the so-called “Security of people on Facebook” terms of service… like WTF?! ?
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/11/is_us_election_fraud_real.html
  
  This truly shows the terrifying dystopian world we are rapidly descending into…
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:24am
  - C J Southern
    
    You lot sound just like I imagine a group of criminals in jail would sound – all moaning about how they’re innocent and how they were unfairly treated by the “evil establishment”.
    
    The irony is that there’s probably a good chance that it was the unsubstantiated rot that YOU (and to be fair, also a handful of others) continue to post about the US election that got his account closed because like it or not YOU (and others) have turned this into a conspiracy site that promotes irrational & misinformation about the election.
    
    Actions have consequences. I would suggest that you pause for a moment and let that sink in but who am I kidding – it’ll slide off like water off a ducks back; you’ll get up-ticked – I’ll get down-ticked – you’ll get the reinforcement that encourages you to continue your position – and the problem self-perpetuates.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:28am
- Fletch
  
  That’s why there has been a huge flood of people to Parler. Even conservative host Mark Levin says he is closing down his Facebook account at the end of the year. Facebook founder Zuckerberg has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to what are essentially Democrat get-out-the-vote organisations.
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/10/18/zuckerberg-drops-additional-100-million-safe-elections-project-looks-like-democrat-gotv-effort/
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:33am
  - C J Southern
    
    Fascinating. Got any credible sources to back any of it up?
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:29am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Wear it as a badge of honour flash
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:51am
- MCos
  
  It must be bad if Zuckerberg thought it was a load of old cobblers.
  
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  November 13, 2020 1:26pm
- C J Southern
  
  Interestingly I found this:
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-facebook/zuckerberg-defends-not-suspending-ex-trump-aide-bannon-from-facebook-recording-idUSKBN27S35P
  
  ““We have specific rules around how many times you need to violate certain policies before we will deactivate your account completely,” Zuckerberg said.”
  
  Leaves me wondering if this wasn’t a first offence for you?
  
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  November 13, 2020 4:45pm
SB2

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Come on former President Trump, GOP and their supporters stop chasing alledged ballot fraud ghosts and support the President-elect in fighting the US’s real enemy, Covid. 19,

The USPS ‘Whistleblower’ Saga Keeps Getting Weirder

https://www.thedailybeast.com/richard-hopkins-usps-staffer-at-center-of-gop-voter-fraud-push-recants-his-allegation
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November 13, 2020 8:27am
- Raphael
  
  He didn’t. There is video of the FBI trying to get him to recant and he doesn’t.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:47am
  - C J Southern
    
    I’d be very surprised if the FBI would release a video of an official interview.
    
    On the other hand it wouldn’t surprise me at all if a “recreation” was made that suited someone’s narrative.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:49am
- Critical Thinker
  
  USPS Whistleblower Richard Hopkins: “I DID NOT RECANT”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibU5KVFCg4Y
  
  RECORDING: Federal agents “coerce” USPS whistleblower Hopkins to water down story
  
  https://youtu.be/Cf9DwmUMxFc?t=38
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:30am
  - SB2
    
    Project Veritas !!
    
    LOL
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:51am
  - C J Southern
    
    Here’s some context to that event;
    
    “Project Veritas, a right-wing activist organization known for using deceptions, released a video where a Pennsylvania postal worker claimed that postal workers were instructed to backdate ballots found on November 4 as being postmarked by November 3.
    
    The claim was “moot”, described FactCheck.Org, because Michigan does not count ballots received after 8 p.m. on November 3, regardless of which date the ballots were postmarked.
    
    On November 10, Democrats on the United States House Committee on Oversight and Reform stated that the postal worker “completely recanted” the claims. The Washington Post, citing three anonymous sources, reported on November 11 that the postal worker, Richard Hopkins, had acknowledged to investigators that the allegations were not true. Hopkins publicly denied that he had recanted his allegations.
    
    Also on November 11, Project Veritas released a two-hour audio recording purportedly of the conversation between Hopkins and the investigators. The Washington Post described it as “not clear” if Project Veritas had edited the audio recording before release. In the recording, Hopkins is heard saying that Project Veritas wrote his affidavit for him.
    
    Additionally, Hopkins recounted that when he was interacting with Project Veritas, he was in “so much shock [he] wasn’t paying that much attention to what they were telling me”.
    
    Hopkins says in the audio that he heard parts of a conversation, with the specific phrases he heard being “ballots on the 4th”, “all for the 3rd”, and “one postmarked on the 4th”. Hopkins acknowledged in the audio that he had not heard the word “backdate”
    
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    November 13, 2020 3:50pm
- alloytoo
  
  Just fact checking your post “Former…”
  
  Conclusion: False.
  
  RBG: “The President is elected for 4 years not 3 years, so the powers that he has in year 3 continue into year 4. Maybe some members of the Senate will wake up & appreciate that that’s how it should be.”
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:42am
I remember when

We don’t seem to have heard to many stories lately with regards to the dangers of the Swedish covid actions.
While the rest of Europe, and parts of the Americas,
see death rates spiking the rise in Sweden seems controlled.
No doubt they have managed to ensure the bulk of the at risk part of the population is isolated.
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November 13, 2020 8:28am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  The latest death stats from Sweden show they had the lowest mortality rate EVER (Caps For Emphasis) in September, since stats were collected in the 1800s. Yeah, some lethal virus all right. Yeah, some Sedish stupidity all right. / sarc.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:39am
- rangitoto
  
  Their second wave peaked at a much higher number than the first wave but the death rate is much lower. Peak death rate in the first wave was high as they let it get into rest homes. This time the peak deaths/detected case is lower by a factor of about 30.
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:07am
- C J Southern
  
  I suspect that “isolating the at-risk portion of society” is unachievable; there are just too many potential failure points; especially around aged care facilities.
  
  Human complacency means that the ball eventually gets dropped by someone somewhere – at which point it all comes tumbling down like a house of cards.
  
  For evidence of that we need only think of what happened at Rosewood rest home – and that was in a country that’s geographically dispersed with a very low population density.
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

This Government is pretty good at throwing money into a bottomless pit..

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govts-big-spend-and-low-return-on-decarbonisation
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November 13, 2020 8:37am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Well I never!
  
  A profligate socialist regime!
  
  Didn’t see that coming . . .
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  And they plan to wast a lot more. With a wage/price spiral afoot how are they going to be able to afford basics like food imports if they waste it all on fallacious CO2 reductions? Borrow and spend has limits too.
  Sorry Poohbah you may need some training in economics if it is possible, but its probably too late.
  Can we get our money back if MMP fails again?
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:32am
  - Ian Boag
    
    @Kev
    
    You need to reinforce that message about how food prices went up 30% last week. The country needs to hear it! 🙂
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:47am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Yeah, my wife paid $483 this week for the shopping expecting only the usual $383.
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:57pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I don’t suppose you could tell us some of the individual items that went up by 30%. If not all of them did, then some must have increased by more than that.
        
        Or did Mrs KOB do a bigger/different shop …. ? 🙂
        
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        November 13, 2020 5:23pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Woods’ office’s point is a fair one – both the costs and benefits should be assessed over the whole lifetime of the project.
  
  What they continue to miss, however, is the opportunity cost – the fact that the same money, more intelligently deployed, could have bought vastly more emissions reduction. Alternatively, the same amount of emissions reduction could have been achieved at vastly less cost elsewhere.
  
  That is the point of emissions trading. Through good old-fashioned market mechanisms it directs money and resource to wherever they will buy the most bang per buck.
  
  Dear God, there must be somebody in the Ministry for the Environment, or the Treasury, or MBIE, who understands this?
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…

Our PM hasn’t got a clue what to do…and now James is upset.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018772622/labour-greens-rift-develops-over-house-prices
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November 13, 2020 8:43am
- C J Southern
  
  So just a normal day in other words 🙂
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:49am
- Catgurl13
  
  Jacinda’s window dressing comments about housing are quite ironic, considering she lives in MT Eden, earns 500k a year + perks for herself and family. She most likely has a cleaner coming in and someone to do her shopping for her or one of those flash meal boxes delivered. A woman who is there by sheer luck and so far removed from reality hasn’t a clue how real people live.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:54am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Got some $$$ to invest. Saw a block of three fairly solid flats here in PN offering a bit over 6% gross yield. Asking price of $700k looked doable, so I called the agent.
    
    “We currently have 16 offers on this property. If you really want it, an offer in the low-to-middle 8’s will have you in the hunt. RV is $430k”
    
    Wow ….
    
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    December 13, 2019 10:05am
    - Ian Boag
      
      And I guess one could expect the rent to get a bit of a bump after the sale …..
      
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      November 13, 2020 10:19am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Decided we could maybe do this.Looked at flats from outside, then called agent. He told me it has just sold for – something in the low 9’s. Was listed for 10 days …..
        
        Wild ….
        
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        November 13, 2020 5:08pm
    - notreadyet
      
      That would drop the gross to under 5 then
      
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      November 13, 2020 11:38am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Auckland level? Yeah I know – 1$/$1000 per week is 5.2% …
        
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        December 13, 2019 12:38pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She sounds pretty average to me.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:14am
    - Catgurl13
      
      She’s pretty privileged and far removed from the life of an average Kiwi.
      
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      November 13, 2020 9:23am
  - SB2
    
    “..hasn’t a clue how real people live.”
    
    The election result suggests voters think very differntly.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:55am
  - C J Southern
    
    Well paid $500k a year – I wouldn’t say “earned”.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:32am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How do you lasso a rising house price? It’s got to be leg roped before it starts to get away. With wild borrowing to be nice to everyone during the election that bribe money will find its way into asset prices. More is to come as other are printing money for COVID comforts and that sloshes around here as well.
  That’s why we previously had Ministers of Finance not Poohbah of Thorndon who new that money does not grow on trees as in the ’57 Extrav.
  The Chimps have taken over the Zoo.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:41am
  - C J Southern
    
    “How do you lasso a rising house price?”
    
    You increase supply to decrease demand.
    
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    November 13, 2020 2:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      That’s a 10 year lag.
      
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      November 13, 2020 7:25pm
Inandout

I see Chuck Schemer has become a sort of Covid King by ‘imploring’ people to be scared, forgetting of course that the idiot de blasio was joining hundreds on the streets of New York maskless. I can imagine Chuck being on the phone to Jacinda and asking how she did it, how she fooled a whole country?
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November 13, 2020 8:46am
- Sigmund Freud
  
  Cindy and her bestie Bloomfailed have never fooled me.
  
  I have natural immunity to state-sponsored lies.
  
  Unfortunately many others do not!
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:28am
  - Inandout
    
    SF, happened to call into a Carterton cafe on my travels and observed how many mobile QIs were using the app. Well dressed visitors made a display of pointing their phone and snapping and had that benign ‘I conformed’ look on their faces. The locals by contrast, many in farming gear, just bowled on in and ordered their food. Interesting times we live in.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:00am
hullkiwi

Proof people in the system (even if they were not initially involved) are not prepared to be honest in how they perform their duties.

I am referring to the presentation of “new” accusations by the Crown Prosecutor against Peter Ellis, in the case to appeal his convictions.

I kid you not.

On Wednesday, the Crown saw it, as its duty to present new accusations against Peter Ellis. This latest accusation arise from a complaint made by a woman going into a police station in 1993/94 (after the investigation in Peter Ellis was already underway), and accusing him of a similar offence 10 years earlier at a different creche. This accusation was never investigated or put to Ellis to respond to. But after 27 years of investigations and court hearings at various levels, we now witness the Crown say, “ahhh but as proof of Ellis’ track record we know have this instance from 1981 that we know about…”

Even though I am not a criminal trial lawyer, I know that the presenting of such evidence is so far outside the bounds of what is permissible, as to be inadmissible in any NZ/British jurisdiction style court. So, why did the Crown even do it?

It took Justice Winklemann to remind the Crown Solicitor that the presentation of any such evidence was inadmissible and the Court would not consider it.

But you are left wondering, what goes through the minds of solicitors to believe that they must do their utmost to ensure convictions are maintained, even to the extent to try and damage a person’s reputation further by presenting untested, uninvestigated, uncorroberated, evidence that a dead person has never been asked to respond to all in an effort to support unsound convictions that they were possibly never a part of in the first place?

I shake my head in disbelief if people believe that this is justice at work.
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November 13, 2020 8:48am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/430322/getting-away-with-murder-freedom-deal-for-men-in-stone-maney-case
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:31am
- C J Southern
  
  For what it’s worth, he was found to be well and truly NOT guilty in the court of public opinion.
  
  And that’s a rarity.
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:22am
- Jade Warrior
  
  What makes this new allegation all the more puzzling is that, according to Lynley Hood’s research in her book on the Ellis case, Peter Ellis did not start working at the Christchurch Civic Crèche until 1986 and he had not held a job at any other crèche before that time.
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, exactly. So, what is the Crown’s solicitor doing raising an accusation that that claimed he assaulted someone in 1981.
    
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    November 13, 2020 4:33pm
I remember when

Gordon Campbell states “Covid-19 has posed an apolitical threat to the public and National’s ham-fisted attempts at politicising the handling of the pandemic was punished harshly by voters.”
Great to get an honest, unbiased opinion.
However, perhaps he does identify the problem for National, Boris and Don T.
The right wing Governments wanted to treat covid as a health and economic problem.
Their problem is that health is not considered one of the strengths of right-wing parties. Labour make health one of their major policy platforms and this gives them an advantage when persuading the electorate they have their safety in mind.
On the other hand, National and the right, are considered focused on money. It is easy to make this seem heartless and uncaring, only interested helping the rich. Money only matters when you don’t have any and when you don’t think you have enough economic policy is not a priority.
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November 13, 2020 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  irw, I thought that Campbell had retired from left wing reporting?
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:03am
hullkiwi

Proof that we should be grateful that Russell Norman no longer leads the Greens. This morning comes the news that it is already too late to cut Green House emissions. Yes, from the world of science we get reports that it is already too late, and the world should have been cutting carbon emissions 50 years ago.

Oh dear…..

So what do we get from Russell….
“We must decarbonise transport immediately,”

that somehow we’ll have enough “green” electricity to power 4.5mill vehicles, and we’ll ignore that there is more carbon released into the atmosphere by an electric vehicle over its life than an internal combustion engine vehicle over its life.

Then he said
“We must get rid of synthetic nitrogen fertilisers and industrial agriculture…..”

For what it is worth, the only way to reduce global carbon emissions, is to de-populate the world (Logan’s Run anybody?) and that is not on the agenda…..

Oh dear, where has this man been…..?

To say the man spouts rubbish is an understatement
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November 13, 2020 9:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Norman is an ignorant fool. Why does anyone (especially the media) take any notice of him?
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    Clicks.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:12am
  - Sigmund Freud
    
    Another insult: Norman is Australian.
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:47am
  - alloytoo
    
    Norman advocated printing money, why did the Greens need a tax policy then?
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:01pm
- freethinker
  
  Im all for de population as long as I get to choose.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:22am
- Catgurl13
  
  He could decarbonize the atmosphere just by keeping his stupid trap shut lol.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:25am
I remember when

So the Daily Mail is splashing the upcoming wedding of Cindashian and the TV host.
Great to see that the political acumen of New Zealand is earning world attention.
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November 13, 2020 9:02am
- Inandout
  
  irw, getting married will help her being fully accepted by the Muslim community.
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:05am
Maggie Pie

And what about the dopey Auckland City Council’s bet on the financial derivatives market two years ago, that Interest Rates would RISE?
So far they’ve booked $1.4 billion in LOSSES!!

Like my partners broker told him, it’s great to be on the other side of those deals.
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November 13, 2020 9:10am
- Tall Man
  
  You could say he’s getting his “own” back.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:11am
- freethinker
  
  When were councils authorised to indulge in stockmarket betting???????????????????????
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:24am
- amospicton
  
  To be fair that was probably a hedge -a form of insurance against rising rates. The Council has debt and so is exposed to rising rates. When you insure your house and don’t claim on it does that mean the premium was unnecessary or stupid?
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:27am
- rangitoto
  
  Losses are no problem to the council;, just crank up the rates.
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:13am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What are Auckland City Council doing in the derivatives market? This sounds like gambling with public money.
  
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  November 13, 2020 1:04pm
Critical Thinker

BREAKING:
Pennsylvania Court Rules In Favor Of Trump; Says Secretary of State Did NOT Have Authority To Change Deadline

“Moments ago, a Pennsylvania judge gave the Trump campaign a huge victory in their battle to overturn the rampant voter fraud that altered the outcome of the 2020 election.

It rules the PA Secretary of State “lacked statutory authority” to override election law. Critically, the state has a Republican state legislature. SCOTUS may ultimately decide the case now.

This ruling was in line with the Trump campaign’s argument, which was that there was no basis in the state’s law to extend the identification deadline.”
https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-pennsylvania-court-rules-in-favor-of-trump-says-secretary-of-state-did-not-have-authority-to-change-deadline

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November 13, 2020 9:13am
- Fletch
  
  This is good, but according to the linked Fox News report, this could only change the count by 10,000 in favour of Trump which would not be enough to change the result ?
  Still, every bit helps. The thing has to be seen to be above board, and with all the rampant fraud, I don’t suppose we’ll ever know who really won.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:44am
  - SB2
    
    Fletch, you and others are just chasing ghosts.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, the ghosts of dead voters
      
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      November 13, 2020 10:52am
      - C J Southern
        
        https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/thin-allegations-of-dead-people-voting/
        
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        November 13, 2020 11:26am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ C J. “We will see what happens” DJT
        
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        November 13, 2020 3:30pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Today’s PA court ruling is significant not because of the amount of ballots it affects but because it sets the legal precedent that PA’s Secretary of State did not have statutory authority to override election law. Neither did PA Supreme Court. Only legislature.
    ?
    
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    November 13, 2020 11:08am
  - C J Southern
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/12/pennsylvania-judge-rules-in-favor-of-trump-campaign-orders-state-cant-count-some-ballots/?sh=71441c276c12
    
    “A Pennsylvania state judge ruled Thursday in favor of the Trump campaign and ordered the state not to count some mail-in ballots that were missing proof of identification and cured during an extended deadline—but the ruling will not change the vote count as it currently stands and will not impact Joe Biden’s win in the state.”
    
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    November 13, 2020 11:33am
    - bruceavon
      
      Yes. This relates to votes that have not been counted yet. The 10,000 votes relates to the seperate case which is before the Supreme Court.
      Which I don’t think the court will even look at because the reason they my rejected looking at it was that they will look at it if it will fundamentally change the result of the election.
      Which it won’t. Because it only affects 10,000 votes some of which will be Republicans and Biden leads by 50,000 and because Biden will win even if he lost Pennsylvania because he has several other states.
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:02pm
    - Jimbob
      
      The US election result shows Americans have moved to the centre, because the result is so close. This is great news for markets, I expect a global explosion of prosperity as austerity is a thing of the past and easy money will result in boom times. Moderates will prosper. Think local, not global. Everywhere.
      
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      November 13, 2020 12:45pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It can have a simpler but more damaging effect: the State Secretary charged with certifying the vote and reporting accordingly to the Electoral College may not be able to do so.
    The outcome is awaited.
    
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    November 13, 2020 1:08pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The affect may be that the voting cannot be certified and the States votes drop out in their entirety
  
  Yesterday the Head of the Federal Electoral Commission announced on TV that the refusal of scrutineers has rendered the (whole) election “illegitimate”.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:48am
- SB2
  
  Critical Thinker,
  
  AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s vote falsehoods, into day of defeat
  
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  PENNSYLVANIA
  
  TRUMP: “…Pennsylvania, which everyone thought was easily won on Election Night, only to see a massive lead disappear, without anyone being allowed to OBSERVE, for long intervals of time.” — tweet Saturday morning.
  TRUMP: “In Pennsylvania, for example, our legal observers were not permitted meaningful access to watch the counting process. … Only a party engaged in wrongdoing would unlawfully keep observers out of the count room.” — statement Saturday refusing to concede to Biden after his victory.
  
  TRUMP: “Pennsylvania Democrats have gone to the state Supreme Court to try and ban our election observers. … They don’t want anybody in there. They don’t want anybody watching them while they are counting the ballots.” — Thursday night remarks.
  
  THE FACTS: These assertions are false. Trump is wholly misrepresenting a court case in the state and what happened at voting places. No one tried to ban poll watchers representing each side in the election. Democrats did not try to stop Republican representatives from being able to observe the process.
  The main issue in the case was how close observers representing the parties could get to election workers who are processing mail-in ballots in Philadelphia. Trump’s representatives sued to allow the observers to get closer than the guidelines had allowed. A court ruled in favor of that request.
  The counting in Philadelphia was being livestreamed and Trump’s lawyers admitted in court that their campaign had observers in the room — “a none-zero” number of them, as they put it.
  Contrary to Trump’s statement, there was no widespread belief election night that Trump had “easily won” the state. It was well-known that huge numbers of mailed-in ballots as well as in-person ballots were to be counted and that many would be from Democratic-leaning areas. That’s why news organizations did not call Pennsylvania for Trump.
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  TRUMP: “In Pennsylvania, partisan Democrats have allowed ballots in the state to be received three days after the election and we think much more than that and they are counting those without any postmarks or any identification whatsoever.” — Thursday night.
  THE FACTS: “Partisan Democrats” didn’t ordain this. It was the state Supreme Court that ruled ballots mailed before the end of Election Day could be received up to three days later and still be counted. His accusation that mailed ballots without postmarks are being counted is also false. Election officials are weeding out ballots postmarked after Nov. 3.
  The U.S. Supreme Court examined the case and did not stand in the way of the three-day time frame. It may review the matter again later.
  A number of other states have also made accommodations for the crush of mailed ballots.
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  TRUMP: “Tens of thousands of votes were illegally received after 8 P.M. on Tuesday, Election Day, totally and easily changing the results in Pennsylvania and certain other razor thin states.” — tweet Saturday morning.
  THE FACTS: This is groundless. Many states allow votes received in the mail after Election Day to be counted. It’s not illegal. And Trump has presented no evidence that “tens of thousands” came in after poll closings.
  In Pennsylvania, ballots received after 8 p.m. on Election Day were only a fragment of the total vote count. Across the state, counties reported receiving fewer than 8,000 after Tuesday, though some were still assessing how many they had.
  Most of those ballots were sitting segregated waiting to be counted and were not included in vote totals, and officials were weeding out ballots that weren’t postmarked by Nov. 3.
  ___
  
  https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-virus-outbreak-79c34b72633683af195ae945503883fe
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:07am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  The votes concerned have not yet been officially counted, and have no impact on the margin of Biden’s victory in Pennsylvania. Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Less partisan, I would think, than a blog site that heads the story you referenced with “Stop the Steal”.
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:11am
- C J Southern
  
  This trendingpolitics.com page can’t be foundNo webpage was found for the web address: https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-pennsylvania-court-rules-in-favor-of-trump-says-secretary-of-state-did-not-have-authority-to-change-deadline
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  November 13, 2020 11:28am
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Here you go ?
    https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-pennsylvania-court-rules-in-favor-of-trump-says-secretary-of-state-did-not-have-authority-to-change-deadline/
    
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    November 13, 2020 11:39am
    - C J Southern
      
      Yep – already got it and replied to it 8 minutes before you posted this.
      
      It’s a great example of the wilful misinterpretation that the denialists are engaged in;
      
      The assertion: “Moments ago, a Pennsylvania judge gave the Trump campaign a huge victory in their battle to overturn the rampant voter fraud that altered the outcome of the 2020 election.”
      
      The reality: “the ruling will not change the vote count as it currently stands and will not impact Joe Biden’s win in the state.”
      
      It doesn’t affect the vote count – it doesn’t change any result – it doesn’t document any assertion of fraud. And yet the delusionists maintain “it’s a huge victory”.
      
      *** Sigh ***
      
      68 Days – 13Hours – and 27 minutes until Trump is out on his arse.
      
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      November 13, 2020 4:32pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Consider, the Head of the Federal Election Commission spoke yesterday on TV about the election now being “illegitimate”. He is running the election according to law.
    I await the outcome with interest–meanwhile work.
    
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    November 13, 2020 1:13pm
- C J Southern
  
  “A Pennsylvania state judge ruled Thursday in favor of the Trump campaign and ordered the state not to count some mail-in ballots that were missing proof of identification and cured during an extended deadline—but the ruling will not change the vote count as it currently stands and will not impact Joe Biden’s win in the state.”
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/12/pennsylvania-judge-rules-in-favor-of-trump-campaign-orders-state-cant-count-some-ballots/?sh=71441c276c12
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:31am
I remember when

Is it really over three years ago that Phil Twyford knew the answer to the problems and tirelessly questioned Nick Smith in the house.
So how IS the the answer to the rising homelessness and price of housing going.
Must be a comfort to the people of New Zealand to see things so clearly understood.
The media have been very understanding too.
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November 13, 2020 9:17am
Tony Stuart

Julie Anne Genter has helpfully posted a graph of house prices. I say “helpfully”, because it clearly shows the greatest acceleration in house prices was between 1999 and 2008, and since 2017.

Ask yourself; who governed New Zealand during those years when house price inflation was rampant?
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November 13, 2020 9:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Whoops – graph is here:
  
  https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter/status/1326799436014555143
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Woooh hooh…
    
    And we Know that our PM understands the concept of exponential growth because she’s used the term when lecturing us about Covid-19.
    
    How is she going to Lock-down house prices?
    
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    November 13, 2020 2:40pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  I see she also says “there is no shame in a leader taking stock, reevaluating what was previously said in different (pre-Covid) circumstances, and finally doing the right thing”.
  
  Hurray! So the Greens are going to stop opposing reforms to the regulatory regime which currently makes it pretty much impossible to build any new homes at all, and completely illegal to build anything affordable?
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:13am
BeaB

Jacinda says house prices cannot be allowed to keep going up.
So who is going to do something about it? Her?
Don’t make me laugh.
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November 13, 2020 9:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Great Socialist Fix: prices are now controlled. (Grant has spent too much and I don’t know our grandkids are going to be able to pay it back.)
  
  The dollar will fix that, it’s self adjusting. Food amy be a little scarce for while. Norm Kirk also had that problem looming before he died.
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:52am
- Catgurl13
  
  She could always offer to sell her Mt Eden house and move out to South Auckland while donating the difference?
  
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  November 13, 2020 9:57am
Critical Thinker

Here’s the scenario of how a US Civil War could start. Post 2020 election with the Associated Press announcing Biden as the winner yet the official vote count, recounts, and legal challenges are still in process, The wheels could potentially be set in motion for a Civil War if Donald Trump is found to be the legal winner of the election.

Here’s how it could all happen!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6luFJvZt-og
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November 13, 2020 9:50am
- mikenmildagain
  
  There is but one, crucial, flaw in your argument: Trump will not ‘found to be the legal winner’.
  Boo hoo
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:15am
  - Batman
    
    There are less votes left to count than needed to close the gap. Well, that’s for anyone living in the real world anyway.
    
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    November 13, 2020 10:19am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Biden may lose, or already have done so, on a technicality. The Head of the Federal Electoral Commission yesterday described the election as “illegitimate” following the evidence that in many voting place scrutineers were not allowed.
      
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      November 13, 2020 1:20pm
      - C J Southern
        
        https://www.zazzle.co.nz/never_give_up_poster-228543440841515115
        
        I admire your tenacity in the face of such adversity.
        
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        November 13, 2020 4:35pm
- SB2
  
  From Comedian JP Sears?
  
  LOL!
  
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  November 13, 2020 10:15am
Libertarians are right

Democrats: Incorrect numbers given to the media isn’t election fraud because the media numbers are irrelevant, the official numbers are all that matters (totally true).
Also the Democrats: The media says Biden won so Trump should declare.

Anyone see the issue?
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November 13, 2020 10:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Look at what’s heading to Washington DC.
And the other guy got 74M votes? Get outta here.
https://rumble.com/vb286n-look-at-whats-heading-to-washington-dc-to-rally-for-trump-holy-cow.html?
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November 13, 2020 10:18am
Ruawai

Amazing tweet from Goff stirring up hysteria against the A2Z shop owners.
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November 13, 2020 10:20am
Benedict Yu

As I was pulling into Mitre 10 this morning, I heard the covid radio ad saying everyone should scan QR codes tracer app.

The store was busy. So I sat in my car and counted the next 50 people to enter store. Out of the 50, three scanned the QR code.

So the thing is a total failure. Yet the COVID card solution which was brilliant and promoted by Sam Morgan was abandoned (or wrecked) by the Ministry of Health.

The thing is that the government does not get is that it does not matter WHY people are not using the app. They just aren’t. And no amount of bobbling heads, waving arms, or frowny faces is going to change that.
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November 13, 2020 10:36am
- Stu2
  
  A manual application was always stupid
  
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  November 13, 2020 11:25am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Getting Socialists to run the response was always stupid.
    The fundamental failure of Socialism is in not accounting for human nature. They assume things will be as they will it. The reality is obviously very different and that is why they fail in almost everything they try (they do somehow win elections despite being serial failures).
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:42pm
  - greybeard
    
    Same as voluntary isolation/quarantine.
    
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    November 13, 2020 12:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I saw the local library had some Covid-Tracer booklets available.
  
  Should I get one, I thought?
  
  I opened it up…and decided that I couldn’t be fagged filling in little bloxs of where I’d been each day…
  
  https://covid19.govt.nz/updates-and-resources/latest-updates/get-your-nz-covid-tracer-booklet/
  
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  November 13, 2020 2:47pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Just make sure you buy something at every shop you go to and pay by EftPOS.
    
    Your bank will complete your Covid Tracing automatically.
    
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    November 13, 2020 3:47pm
    - lifesgood
      
      It is nobody’s business where I’ve been. I have not downloaded the ap and refuse to. Bloody police state, if you ask me.
      Saw a great tweet today ” I have just spent 5 minutes yelling at my grandma for voting for Biden. Then I calmed down and left the cemetery”
      
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      November 13, 2020 5:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      my social secretary is onto it.
      
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      November 13, 2020 5:41pm
Batman

Reporting from the court house in Arizona:

https://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1326992844066840581?s=19

“One of the Trump campaign’s witnesses who is claiming that her Sharpie vote for the president wasn’t counted just testified that she came to that conclusion after she cast her vote from her talking to her family, other voters, some attorneys and from her “research online.”

“Ok, so now the Trump campaign put a poll watcher on the stand hoping he would allege Sharpie improprieties.

And yet…he said that he didn’t notice anything wrong on Election Day and would have said something if he did.
“At the time,” he said, “everything looked normal.”

“A 2nd poll watcher testifies that several times she saw a poll worker hitting either a RED or GREEN button on voting machine for voters w/o 1st getting permission. (Which seems like pro-Trump evidence.)
But under cross she admits she didn’t know what those buttons actually did.”

And from earlier in the hearing:

“Kory Langhofer, a lawyer for the Trump campaign, just said: “This is not a fraud case. We are not alleging fraud. We are not saying anyone is trying to steal the election.”
Rather, he’s saying there were “good faith errors” in the count.”

“Scott Jarrett, a Maricopa County election official, is saying that a) Sharpie ink can in fact bleed on ballots but b) an “overvote” (or tainted ballot) occurs only if a second oval is filled in 35% or more.

We are, at present, literally discussing ink drying.”

“Jarrett just testified that out of more than 165,000 votes cast in Maricopa County for president this year, 191 were potentially tainted “overvotes.”

We are talking about 191 votes here.”
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November 13, 2020 11:03am
Stu2

The problem in the US is that as Trump fantasises overturning large majorities, the covid cases are zooming.

144,000 in the latest day, double the July surge. That will feed into the hospitals in a few weeks and ICU space is already very limited in the mid-west.

No effective central action, no central leadership, looking bad. Biden will inherit a mess
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November 13, 2020 11:24am
- Inandout
  
  Stu, Biden won’t inherit anything but memory medication.
  
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  November 13, 2020 12:01pm
- Surely Knott
  
  The covid cases are zooming and California is the second state to reach 1 million cases. I thought that as a liberal state that has been leading the advocacy on wearing masks and with California making masks mandatory in public, that they should have significantly less than other states.
  
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  November 13, 2020 3:02pm
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s also a state full of people who don’t believe that the rules should apply to them personally.
    
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    November 13, 2020 3:48pm
Fletch

And people really want this senile guy for president?

https://www.facebook.com/braydon.sanders.3/videos/3520544554656619/
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November 13, 2020 11:31am
- Inandout
  
  Fletch, 47 years of doing absolutely nothing. What else but dementia can you expect?
  
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  November 13, 2020 12:02pm
Jack5

The row about whether the Covid-19 positive case entailed a sick person allegedly returning to work at the insistence of employers.

The Herald reports the employer denied insisting the sick employee to come to work.

Their shop was A-Z Collections on Auckland’s High Street. The Companies Office records show this is owned by Bing Wang and Mei Chen.
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November 13, 2020 11:31am
- fernglas
  
  Your point is?
  
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  November 13, 2020 12:35pm
- alex Masterley
  
  ?. Why do we need to know this?
  
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  November 13, 2020 1:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    It’s relevant that the Herald report withheld the names. Why was that?
    
    If someone is alleged to have ordered a sick worker to work during pandemic it’s relevant.
    
    Alex: Why do you think the employer’s names are not relevant?
    
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    November 13, 2020 1:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Herald web site is now carrying this:
      
      In a statement issued by her employer’s lawyer, the woman said: “On the 11th (November) my sore throat had gone and I did not feel any discomfort, so I went to work. I wore a mask just to be safe … I did not think there was any chance that I had coronavirus.
      
      “I did not tell my boss or manager of the above and did not request leave at any time. I did not think it was a big deal.”
      
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      November 13, 2020 3:57pm
      - MCos
        
        “Statement issued by her employer’s lawyer”
        
        I’d give her statement a little more credence if it was issued by her own lawyer, but one suspects her resources probably don’t extend to paying for legal representation.
        
        Who knows what’s going on in that little world?
        
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        November 13, 2020 5:57pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      It looks like the sick worker did not return to work at the insistence of the employers. Yet public figures piled in with no information to blame the boss. All it said was she called her boss and returned to work. Turns out the student felt fine and her sore throat had gone and she did NOT tell her boss she was sick nor requested leave.”
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-infected-student-says-health-officials-made-mistakes-with-her-movements/NAX4JHP2OPBR2WQBGRSTSFGPPI/
      
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      November 13, 2020 4:15pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Well Jack, I am not into witch hunts as you seem to be rather I am interested in people being given the opportunity to fairly deal with matters.
      Accepting we have to rely on the Herald and Stuff, the MOH seem to have made a complete mess of dealing with these people. What was first reported may not in fact be the case.
      
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      November 13, 2020 4:34pm
Fisiani2

Scotland reach Euro 2020. Ya beauty!!!
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November 13, 2020 11:42am
Swifty

1962 Monaco GP – Bruce McLaren’s victory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGmoy1rXWKI
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November 13, 2020 12:27pm
- Swifty
  
  Some additional footage:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCv-dIFGcd0
  
  High quality.
  
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  November 13, 2020 12:34pm
Bobba Fret

Good news yesterday that the latest covid case, the AUT student has not been on campus for a long time.
Breaking news today, Yes she did go to campus Tuesday this week!
FFS!
Can you please get the reporting correct.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/covid-case-visited-aut-campus-in-central-auckland-this-week/ar-BB1aXPwE?ocid=msedgntp
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123377167/covid19-all-the-locations-linked-to-aucklands-newest-community-case
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November 13, 2020 12:47pm
TWEEDSE

For the safety of all Aucklanders can I suggest that since Phil Goff was in the Auckland CBD yesterday, he self isolates for two years.
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November 13, 2020 12:48pm
Maggie Pie

My partner stayed home today so he decided to head over to The Warehouse and get himself some of those ‘Tradie Briefs’ he saw advertised on Telly

He just txt to say that “…..entering the store was like walking into a big box of Chinese dogshit”.

LOL!!
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November 13, 2020 1:10pm
- MCos
  
  Going by your previous voluminous, and not to mention tedious, minute by minute commentary of your ‘partner’s’ activities he wouldn’t go anywhere near a $2 Shop, sorry Warehouse.
  
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  November 13, 2020 3:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why don’t you just downtick and move on like you usually do you nasty little lefty teat.
    
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    November 13, 2020 5:40pm
    - RJ
      
      Just think, if he thinks that bad of what you write and still reads them it says more about him
      
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      November 13, 2020 5:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    woopsie!! no offence MCoss – was ment to say ‘twat’
    
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    November 13, 2020 6:14pm
Jack5

Fishing company that imports Russian crews criticised for advertisements that allegedly tried to put off New Zealand applicants – and the critics are NZ ships’ officers:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/430515/sealord-faces-criticism-over-hiring-process-for-staff-on-trawlers
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November 13, 2020 1:20pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Have any of you spent 6 months at sea??? Dont think so.
  
  I was Ch Officer in Shipping Corp and spent 6 months away, not all at sea, and at the end of that you are tired.
  
  30 days NZ to UK and passing through either of the canals I was doing the 4-8 watch and 4 hrs estra a day as well.
  
  I would think 6 months on a fishing boat would be very hard yakka and very demanding physically and mentally.
  
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  November 13, 2020 4:14pm
  - C J Southern
    
    Nailed it. Having had much contact with some of the recruiters for a major fishing company I’m told that the biggest probelms are finding people who are both fit & able and who can pass a drugs test. They also need people who get along with other people. You’d think that would be easy — but no.
    
    I was told that they often have to adjust crew lists for up-coming trips after reading court reports.
    
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    November 13, 2020 4:51pm
Surely Knott

Cuban American describes why Latin community increased their vote for republicans.
“To be blunt, Miamians have heard this populist socialist rhetoric before: university-educated radicals rallying the working classes against the oligarchic upper classes, in the name of lofty and vague ideals that require a political revolution to implement, while accepting some urban violence as the cost of doing business. It’s the rhetoric of the Latin American Left—and many of the Hispanic voters of Miami wanted nothing to do with it.”

https://www.thepullrequest.com/p/latinx-plaining-the-election?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoxODQ2Nzc1LCJwb3N0X2lkIjoxODA3NTU1NiwiXyI6IkZBdWF4IiwiaWF0IjoxNjA1MjE3Mzg4LCJleHAiOjE2MDUyMjA5ODgsImlzcyI6InB1Yi00NzE4Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.b29M68sYTiK5CrfsV7eIO1746UB_lvI5hV9QAr3rf24
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November 13, 2020 1:40pm
HeatherW

South Taranaki District Council has just voted for introduction of Maori wards for 2021 elections.
Debbie Ngarewa-Packer (new MP for the Maori Party) has been asked to help get the Local Electoral Act changed so a citizens initiated referendum cannot change the wards.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/300157256/unanimous-south-taranaki-district-council-vote-for-mori-wards-is-welcomed
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November 13, 2020 1:47pm
Surely Knott

What is the cost to NZ of so many press conferences. It’s a massive distraction. Just tweet out how many cases.
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November 13, 2020 2:24pm
- MCos
  
  Probably a lot less than a by-election in, I don’t know, say Papakura.
  
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  November 13, 2020 3:43pm
I remember when

What’s to dislike about Trump – probably a lot.
What’s to like is that regardless of whether it’s a lie or not, most of it happens where it can be seen.
Who thinks the Biden Presidency will have less secret machinations than the Trump Presidency has had.
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November 13, 2020 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are too kind with your explanation of Democrat corruption
  
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  November 13, 2020 3:34pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm89lUB9luo

Trumps Road To Victory.

No right to a recount in AZ. There is in other doubtful
States though. Penn has a Republican legislature.
AZ do a sample recount looking for a pattern of fraud,
or other problems. The Georgia recount should go
in Trumps favour. The Penn legislature could ask
for an audit. That’s a recount under another name.
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November 13, 2020 3:08pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg3EMko1lTs

Vaccine News.

University of Queensland have had promising
results with their vaccine. I hope it doesn’t
need lots of complex infrastructure to be
widely distributed.
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November 13, 2020 3:09pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g45mMtxpjDI

Faux ‘News’ Problems.

Fox have thrown their viewers under the bus. And dumped
conservative shows. People
are severing their cable contracts. Fox have hired a PR
firm to solve the problem. It’s too late. Now they’re only
as credible as TV news in the PRC.
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November 13, 2020 3:09pm
- Batman
  
  They’ve fashioned a noose for their own necks by promoting conservative fear porn for years and now have to reckon with the factual reality that none of it was true and the world hasn’t ended in forced gay sharia marriage with a ban on Christmas.
  
  Their duped viewers into believing they should be told what they wanted to hear, not what was actually happening.
  
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  November 13, 2020 3:44pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Nah it’s just that the right have discovered cancel culture.
    
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    November 13, 2020 3:53pm
  - oob
    
    Ha! Well said!
    
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    November 13, 2020 4:20pm
surfing

Labour are absolute shit…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/tahatai-coast-school-leaky-building-project-way-too-slow-principal/7K6FQD7CRELASJUKGKLQPBZBCA/

But, this is also a symptom of population growth not contributing enough extra tax to cover it’s own cost.
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November 13, 2020 3:33pm
Jack5

More on the State library’s huge book purge…

New Zealand writer Philip Temple has a letter in the Otago Daily Times today saying that non-Maori, non-Polynesan books also have a right to be protected in the National Library’s 600,000 book cull of non-New Zealand material.

The State library says it wants their storage space for more New Zealand material.

Temple reports Anahare Morehu, president of the Library and Information Associaton of New Zealand, as saying about the books being culled: “None of this stuff has anything to do with Aotearoa.”

“As a Former National Library Fellow, I find this appalling,” Temple says in his letter to the newspaper.

Temple says he respects Morehu’s concern for proper collection of Maori and Pacific kaupapa.

“But there is another kaupapa that is of equal importance to a majority of New Zealanders: that of their Pakeha ancestors, their whakapapa.

“The countless books printed over many hundreds of years are the repositories of Pakeha history, science, philosopohy, religion, politics, art and creative endeavour.”

Translation into English by online Maori Dictionary:

kaupapa Maori:Maori approach, Maori topic, Maori customary practice, Maori institution, Maori agenda, Maori principles, Maori ideology – a philosophical doctrine, incorporating the knowledge, skills, attitudes and values of Maori society.
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November 13, 2020 3:47pm
- Jack5
  
  Here’s Morehu championing the knowledge of indigenous peoples:
  
  https://ikblc.ubc.ca/morehu/
  
  And in this second link below Morehu is praising the librarians of Otago-Southland for changing their association’s name to LIANZA Murihiku from LIANZA Otago-Southland.
  
  LIANZA stands for the Library and Information Association of New Zealand Aotearoa Te Rau Herenga o Aotearoa.
  
  Our public librarians couldn’t be more Woke if their local body employers gave them meth for morning tea.
  
  Watch these Woke folk kill the ratepayer and taxpayer funded Western institutions of public libraries. The call will go up: defund them!
  
  https://www.librariesaotearoa.org.nz/korero-blog/a-new-name-for-lianza-otago-southland
  
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  November 14, 2020 7:21am
70andstilllearning

Yet again – Hippy – we thought it was happening last night – but now we are going to make sure it does. Will they ever learn? Think not.
First time – mistake
Second time – slow learners
Third time – ???? – take your pick.

Just asking.
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November 13, 2020 3:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Labour couldn’t deliver a pizza, let alone the world’s smartest Covid response.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2011/S00043/this-government-runs-on-smiles-and-slogans.htm
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November 13, 2020 4:12pm
- RJ
  
  In all fairness I wouldn’t even comprehend labour delivering my pizza. I’d worry for the safety of the youth they hire to deliver it, especially if there are other labour youth around,
  
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  November 13, 2020 5:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300158205/covid19-shop-employee-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-says-she-never-called-in-sick
After reading several articles about this incident today it becomes clearer what the problem may be.
Recent arrivals to NZ, really bad language barriers, a difference in ethics/standards/expectations/culture.
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November 13, 2020 4:52pm
- RJ
  
  Let’s see
  
  Employer says they were never told she was sick
  Employee says she never informed them she was sick
  
  And your take on it is to attack them for being recent arrivals instead of think that perhaps the ministry mislead in their statement
  
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  November 13, 2020 5:12pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Yes, for sure, Blame The Victim! You have a great career ahead in health care and / or the Labour Party, but wait – you are probably already there.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why the hell had Corrections placed a young man in the same cell as a convicted violent rapist?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/430546/inmate-found-guilty-of-sexually-assaulting-younger-cellmate

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8653057/Men-jailed-for-rape-of-Hamilton-girl-15
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November 13, 2020 4:54pm
- sooty
  
  Was his name Bubba?
  
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  November 13, 2020 5:29pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  And the Govt are going to remove 3x legislation (works for perps & them(see above).
  
  O “your deity of choice” forbid – does that mean they’ll be in for 3 terms?
  
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  November 13, 2020 5:42pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  Fringe Benefits. So the screws won’t get beaten up by the Tough Inmate.
  
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  November 13, 2020 8:34pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300158286/all-blacks-vs-argentina-sam-cane-on-clinical-week–weve-got-an-edge-about-us
We also have a mediocre captain, an arrogant coach/selector, and several players in the wrong positions.
Again.,
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November 13, 2020 5:09pm
Fletch

Biden transition team is reportedly considering Hillary Clinton as his administration’s ambassador to the United Nations.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-hillary-clinton-for-u-n-ambassador

Watch the money come rolling in again for Bill’s speeches. Can’t get rid of these people FFS.
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November 13, 2020 5:26pm
- Batman
  
  Fox News baited the hook and caught you like a gullible fish.
  
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  November 13, 2020 5:34pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Batman. You are so on the nail, you’re so smart. Please set up Your Own Batblog so we all can subscribe to Your Daily Wisdom. Thank you in advance.
    
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    November 13, 2020 8:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Got you too, batman!
    
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    November 13, 2020 9:03pm
lifesgood

I wonder if, in a few years time, the young student/shop assistant with covid will be bleating that she can’t afford a house. Maybe cutting back on her endless take away meals would be a good start towards saving.
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November 13, 2020 5:29pm
Fletch

According to Gateway Pundit, Trump is currently winning –

President Trump is currently winning the 2020 election with most states won and he holds the lead in the Electoral College (EC) voting.

The President now holds 232 EC votes to Biden’s 226. The President has won 25 states to Biden’s 19. There are 6 states still in question.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/current-election-update-trump-ahead-states-ec-votes-legitimate-votes-history-biden-committing-greatest-fraud-ever/
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November 13, 2020 5:37pm
Inandout

Throw away the masks if you are immune from C19.
https://trends.gab.com/item/5fae159f5ca43345214d3e33
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November 13, 2020 6:17pm
Engelbert Humperdink

Pagin’ Ian Boag who 24 hours ago apparently believed the Auckland City Council could not save millions of dollars.

Ian, you’re 100% correct. They cannot save any worthwhile amount of ratepayer dollars. They can only urinate it away without any accountability.

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“Auckland Council has booked $1.4 billion in balance sheet losses on interest rate derivatives in the past two years after its strategy of fixing interest costs long-term backfired when interest rates cratered.

“The pain, or rather the lack of immediate relief from the cost of borrowing, comes as local government finances come under considerable strain as the pandemic bites. This week the council forecast by 2024 there would be a $1b Covid-19-shaped hole in its budgets, and signalled years of emergency belt-tightening.

“But at the end of last month when the council’s annual report was released, notes to the accounts also flagged a $665m loss in the value of its interest rate derivatives during the year, on top of a similar $719m loss the year prior.

“An audit note provided by the Auditor-General said of the $1.4b in losses: “This is primarily the result of the Auckland Council and Group using derivates to fix the interest rates paid on borrowings at rates higher than current marker interest rates.”

“These rates are above those paid by even consumer borrowers for residential mortgages today, and are far higher than the sub-1 per cent yield the council’s bonds are attracting on the NZX secondary market.

Mayor Phil Goff declined repeated requests from the Herald this week to discuss or justify the hedging losses and whether ratepayers were locked into now-overpriced loans, with a statement from his office saying he had “nothing further to add” to statements by his council’s treasurer John Bishop.

Mayor Phil Goff meets the stars of Mary Poppins in September. He refused to comment this week on $1.4b of council losses on interest rate derivatives.

Goff? consider seppuku. You. Effing. Clown.
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