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Happychappy

Ministry does a u-turn on counting uneaten lunches.
Officials haveu-turned on a multimillion dollar school lunch policy and will now start regular of the numbers of taxpayers funded leftovers.
In Hamilton alone, hundreds of lunches packs were sent untouched to food shelters for the community to pick up everyday.
Opposition MP’s called the lack of rigour in the program “irresponsible “, but Education Minister Chris Hipkins said it would be “nanny statish” to make schools monitor the uneaten lunches.
But now in a about turn schools will now be counting the average dailly number of surplus lunches and reporting that to the Ministry of Education.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/125296004/ministry-does-uturn-on-counting-uneaten-school-lunches
This is the problem with Jacindas pet projects they obviously have not done there homework and have willy nilly set a program in progress without finding out that the responsible parents don’t want their children being told to eat school funded rubbish instead of what they choose for their children to have.
These school lunches were for children who weren’t given food by there parents for lunches but Jacinda Ardern and Labour decided that everyone at school where the program was put in will have a free lunch
So the taxpayer pays again for those that should never be allowed to have children until they realize it comes with responsibility.
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June 7, 2021 8:00am
- RockyJ
  
  I wonder if any stats are being kept on unused Pfizer vaccine doses?
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:26am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    there a wedding to talk about, that’s more important
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:55am
- Paulus
  
  Understand that the teachers get their fair share of the leftovers for their whanau and ensure there are leftovers.
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:09am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Weak honours list at the the higher end. Noticeable how many are ‘promotions’ on previously received honours, without the recipient doing anything more than what they were previously honoured for.
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June 7, 2021 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  They were probably very aware of the real danger of many more folk handing theirs in .
  
  At least that’s what their spin meisters will be telling ’em , and they need so many of em cos they can’t think for themselves.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:29am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’m proud to announce my continuous unbeaten run (now 61 years) of not being mentioned in any honours list is still intact.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:56am
- Bob
  
  There was no way that this shower of incompetence was ever going to recognise, and reward, the motivated working capitalist members of NZ society.
  
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  June 7, 2021 2:02pm
- jon
  
  Seems Winston still has at least another six months wait for his knighthood!!
  
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  June 7, 2021 3:42pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  No mention of Sir Grant Dalton at all…?
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:40pm
Captain Mainwaring

I was trying to get my head around some greenie-inspired David Attenborough programme last evening when they wheeled in that brainwashed Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg.
That was the end of it for me. The girl is mad, just like Chloe Swarbrick.
I’ll give Attenborough the benefit of the doubt. At least he’s had 95 years to think about it.
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June 7, 2021 8:04am
- all true
  
  just watch this one especially from 55min onwards.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otsJno55J0g&t=2350s&ab_channel=CentreforIndependentStudies
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  She is a manufactured celebrity activist.
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:18am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Thanks for the link.
    Greta has no scientific knowledge or understanding. She is so heavily programmed with climate change bitterness towards mankind, she has no mental capacity to be able to think.
    
    Her bitterness and hatred has been nurtured, amplified, and channeled, to become a modern day Clockwork ~~Orange~~ Lemon.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:11am
    - lifesgood
      
      The poor girl is autistic with appalling parents. How grown adults can be taken in by a child riddled with anxiety disorders absolutely beggars belief. The untold harm this is doing to the children of the world is utterly reprehensible. Sensible people ignore the ravings of this deluded child but idiots and children think she knows what she is talking about.
      
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      June 7, 2021 9:31am
      - oldfella
        
        How grown adults can be taken in by a child riddled with anxiety disorders absolutely beggars belief.
        lifesgood, why are you so surprised? Our own equivalent of that child did it to over 50% of the population at the last election.
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:33am
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Unfortunately, while they are not bad people, most people are idiots. They naively accept whatever they are told without any real interrogation of the message. The widespread and unquestioning acceptance of the threat posed by Covid and by climate change are just two contemporary examples. These people get their “science” from Twitter, not from coolly assessing propositions on their merit that is derived from the supporting evidence and the logical relationships between premises and the conclusions reached.
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:14am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Fidel Cashflow @ 11:14AM
        
        Basically, you’re saying people who you don’t agree with, or who don’t agree with you, are idiots.
        
        That’s idiotic.
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:36pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Steve Todd 1:36pm
        
        They are idiots because the naively believe whatever they are told and get their science from Twitter.
        
        Time to learn how to read, Steve. Either that or uninstall your “English” to “Woke Garbage” Translate App.
        
        You appear to have a very confused mind, where even basic data input functions, such as reading and duplication are scrambled like some mad hatter tea party.
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:58pm
      - Fidel Cashflow
        
        Is that what I said is it, Steve? Whenever someone says to me “Basically, you’re saying …” I laugh inwardly, occasionally outwardly.
        
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        June 7, 2021 3:02pm
    - cmm
      
      I feel sorry for the wee girl.
      
      The bastards are exploiting her. When she has no more value to them they’ll spit her out and flush her.
      
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      June 7, 2021 9:39am
      - MCos
        
        I wouldn’t feel too sorry for the ‘wee’ thing.
        She’s much the same age as William Wood, would be Nat MP.
        She’s obviously a lot more driven than young Wood who seems to have faded from the national landscape although he may have turned his attention to local body politics.
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:43am
      - Paulus
        
        Not our Wonderwoman – she can manufacture a crisis and the media will promulgate it for her.
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:11am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @MCos
        
        How much one is driven is not the key factor here. It is what they are driven by.
        
        Being driven by principles and standards (Wood), is far more preferable then being driven by obsession (Greta) who has been cultivated by indoctrination and repetition of bullshit ideas, rather than giving her the help for her Autism she actually needs.
        
        Great is a victim or horrible child abuse, reminiscent of some yesteryear circus where instead of giving the child they help it needs, they place the cretin in a cage and charge circus patrons to watch the child behaving like a chimpanzee.
        
        In a rational society, the parents would be prosecuted and the autsitic child put into care. But its OK, Greta is obsessed with Climate Change.
        
        If however she was obsessed with Climate Change being a giant swindle, I’m sure the parents would be in prison, having been found guilty of “hate speech” and child abuse, and Greta would be in State care. You see, it’s “OK when the left do it”.
        
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        June 7, 2021 2:16pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        She earned in excess of $46m in the last year or so, maybe not so exploited, she’ll never have to work for a crust in her lifetime.
        
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        June 7, 2021 2:28pm
      - MCos
        
        I find that hard to believe.
        
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        June 7, 2021 3:14pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @JibberJabber
        
        A dancing bear in chains may earn a lot of money as well, but does not get the benefit of those earnings.
        
        Unless she or her handlers are funneling all that $46m to genuine Climate Change solutions, she is no better than the dancing bear. And preaching one thing, and living a life that is not in sync with that preaching will be doing her head in. She will be living the high life, not in sync with what she preaches.
        
        Last I checked, she doesn’t travel around the world by clipper ship or horse and carriage. She cannot transport herself from location to location like some ancient wizard.
        
        She is just another dancing bear in chains. The chains are not made with steel or even physical. Her chains are psychological obsessions, cultured by indoctrination, and conditioning. She is just as exploited as a dancing bear, but far more dangerous.
        
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        June 7, 2021 3:15pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Who Greta or Jacinda ?
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of mad , today’s Granny editorial comes out strongly in favour of spending $ 750 mil on a bike bridge , cos climate change .
  
  Where the hell has common sense gone .
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:22am
  - Ruawai
    
    What about the fact it is very hard to get anywhere in a sprawling city like Auckland without using a car, it frequently rains, we often have passengers or children with us as well as gear for work or sport. It is just virtue signaling and Wood said as much when he and Robertson announced the cycle bridge, he said it will be iconic, an excellent experience and will put Auckland on the map (At around 23 mins).
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/climate-change-covid-19-house-values-blamed-for-infrastructure-cost-blowout-some-planned-projects-downgraded.html
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:54am
    - MCos
      
      “the fact it is very hard to get anywhere in a sprawling city like Auckland without using a car”
      
      That’s not a fact at all.
      There are some places it’s difficult to get to in a timely manner, but others it’s quicker to catch a train, bus or a ferry.
      I used to commute on a bike in Wellington. Not as quick as a car, maybe, but I liked to get out in the fresh air at the end of the day and get a bit of exercise.
      
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      June 7, 2021 3:25pm
    - JJ56
      
      By the time the bridge happens all urban cars will be EVs, so no benefit for the climate from riding a bike.
      
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      June 7, 2021 7:19pm
  - sooty
    
    Out the window, along with honest reporting!
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:58am
  - alwyn
    
    I would say they were showing a great deal of common sense.
    If you want to get your hands on some of the taxpayer money that is floating around you publish whet the people dishing out the money want.
    What is irrational about that?
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:22am
  - CherryCat
    
    I’d say they had limited choices, couldn’t find a way to link it to the ‘partnership’, nor covid so climate change is the next best cause.
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:44pm
- ABS4EVA
  
  People are dieing
  
  [Mod – apart from the spelling (it’s “dying”], a much better length comment]
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    People are dieing – cutting out pieces with a die cutter.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:40am
- yossarian
  
  David knows what side his bread is buttered.
  
  He knows he has to toe the line or else he’ll get de-platformed. Some may remember the highly entertaining and knowledgeable botanist, David Bellamy. He was skeptical about CC, and thus got banned by the BBC, and never heard from again.
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:33am
  - rouppe
    
    He died in 2019… That might affect his output
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:19pm
- G152
  
  I give the ‘global warming’ nonsense 50 years to die out.
  Their ‘facts’ are being questioned daily and yet they still trot out ‘scientists’ (in fields other than anything to do with climate) and strange children who repeat anything parents tell them.
  Its going to go all quiet and the next ‘We’re all going to die’ scenario will happen
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:36am
  - Bob
    
    repeat anything parents tell them….
    
    repeat anything ‘ideologically driven TEACHERS’ tell them….
    
    there fixed it for you, more factual now.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:32am
  - RockyJ
    
    Of course it will die out in 50 years. That is because all the alarmist predictions will have not materialised. This will be despite a rise in CO2 because although China is emitting more all the time the atmosphere is pretty much saturated with CO2.
    In 1989 the UN predicted climate disaster by 2000. This year the UN is predicted we have until 2030 before “we will reach the point of no return”. Note, not an actual disaster in 2030, just a tipping point. The goal posts keep being moved, conveniently.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:35am
    - Ruawai
      
      The media need to dig up climate activists/scientists predictions of 20 years ago and show that the sea hasn’t taken over the world.
      
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      June 7, 2021 9:57am
      - Unity
        
        I’ve lived on the coast for all of my long life. I haven’t seen the sea rise one iota. Of course we have storms and king tides but it all returns to normal.
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:44am
      - RockyJ
        
        Well, Unity, it actually is rising. But the rate of rise is not accelerating. Also the sea is rising at a rate of about 1.5mm per year. Which is why my 1970’s marine chart of the Hauraki Gulf is still accurate.
        Moreover, the warming that we have been experiencing since about 1800 is beneficial and driven mainly by natural causes.
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:24am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It seems clear that CO2 does increase the temperature and sea level. However, no one knows by how much. It is silly denying reality. The sea level is rising not about 3 mm a year.
      
      The question is where do we spend the money? Do we spend it ruining the economy or dealing with the sea level rise that we cannot stop?
      
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      June 7, 2021 12:17pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Where is the sea level rising 3 mm a year?
        
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        June 7, 2021 12:22pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        General consencise 3mm a year since 1700’s ? ie pre indusrialisation.
        Its called climate change.
        FWIW Climate is recognised 30+ years.
        If within 30 years then how can it be called climate change?
        Maybe weather watch.
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:08pm
      - RockyJ
        
        NZ Stats Dept says sea level is rising about 1.5mm per year since 1800. Over the last couple of decades NIWA say about 3.4mm pa. However, Anthony Watts says that satellite records in the last two decades have caused this latest measurement error and that is because the earth’s shape has changed by that error amount. Tidal guages around the world still hold to the 1.5mm per year measurement
        By the way Duncan Garner asked James Shaw what was the rate of sea level rise and he didn’t know!
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:18pm
  - cmm
    
    Unfortunately they will just airbrush out the history and change tack slightly.
    
    Remember many of these people were peak-oilists before – predicting doom and gloom and collapse due to an energy-based economy.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:42am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    The climate will not go down hill, because they are wrong and they are lying. However, that is not the point. The point is fundamentally detrimentally altering everyone’s current standard of living and way of life, based only on illogic and unreason.
    
    The climate will not change as the self-interested scaremongers claim, but, after having upended society and politics for the benefit of the hyper-elites, in 5o years a speech will be given to the Peoples of the World (nations will be a relic of a “less enlightened age” of “prejudice and small-mindedness”), basically saying “we have saved you all, but, there is still much more to be done. There is always more to be done. Onward we march to the utopia that is just over the horizon.” Of course, this horizon will be forever just over there, and always out of reach.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:59am
  - yossarian
    
    Not so sure. You have to admit the loonies have done well on calling it ‘Climate Change’, because it’s impossible to argue with.
    
    Was the weather was warmer or colder than yesterday? “Ah well you see, that’s climate change.” Hence why they stopped calling it Global Warming, because with the term ‘climate change’ it doesn’t matter, either way, their prediction was right.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:29am
    - Unity
      
      But the climate has always changed and always will. Before the industrial revolution the climate was at times much much warmer and also much much colder. It is all to do with the solar system which none of us is clever enough to control!!
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:46am
      - CherryCat
        
        Maybe not clever enough to control but I am reliably informed by our PM and her Green mates that if we pay enough extra tax it will resolve itself.
        
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        June 7, 2021 12:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I thought it was women who controlled the climate
        
        https://notrickszone.com/2021/06/04/in-the-1700s-it-was-said-women-cause-unnatural-weather-now-mainstream-science-says-men-do-too/
        
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        June 7, 2021 2:04pm
  - Paulus
    
    There are a lot of people who have and are making fortunes out of the promulgation of Climate Change, so that will never change whatever anybody says or thinks.
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m not so sure. Here’s 50 years of failed predictions. And, of course, it has nothing to do with climate:
    
    But one must say clearly that we (UP-IPCC) redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore — Ottmar Edenhofer – Co-Chair, working group 3, IPCC 2010
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:32am
- JohnStanton
  
  Stick with Biggles, or Roy of the Rovers perhaps.
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  That from our neutral self flagellating BBC–a satellite of the UK Govt.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:23am
- Master Mariner
  
  Same here Capt. Watched a bit as well.
  As Sun Tzu would say, “Know your enemy” and thereby watched it.
  Regarding Attenborough, He lost me by insinuating Walruses were committing suicide due to climate change and in addition best friends with the clown prince.
  Interesting was the fact Ronny and Thatcher were initially onboard.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:34am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    If humans are such scourge on the planet, then perhaps the morally-superior Attenborough and Thunberg could form a pact and together do the right thing by the Earth.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:17am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Greta (and her handlers/promoters/parents) and their unjustified & unsubstantiated claims of “the start a mass extinction” etc, are to blame for the massive increase in mental health issues in teenagers. The message that we are all “doomed” (credit Dads Army) has not been challenged, and frankly disproven. She has been allowed to poison the next generation. Free speech and debate is critical, but in the case of Greta , political leaders and msm have been too scared to point out the flaws in her claims – is it because she is suffering from a mental disease herself and it’s not PC to be mean to her (would like to quote borat about his brother bilo but don’t want to upset mods)
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:44am
- Keith White
  
  Attenborough has flown very many millions of miles to film movies as a background to lecture us about reducing our carbon footprint by us not flying. He can go commit a nuisance somewhere remote. Man’s a carbon-covered hypocrite, just as much as Cringeworthy Chloe and Grating Greta.
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:58pm
hullkiwi

Watching BBC World News yesterday, I caught a very chilling programme about where the world may be heading with the use of AI.

BBC One – Panorama, Are You Scared Yet, Human?

During the course of the programme, the President of Microsoft states in his interview, that “Orwell’s 1984, is likely to be a reality by 2024”.

A very chilling depiction of where the world could be heading in the name of security.

Why is it that humankind seems intent on making science fiction a reality?

Secondly, given the abuse of technology for military/state supremacy that the superpowers are engaging in, should we as New Zealanders be alarmed at the naive basis of the Ardern government to foreign relations with China and our traditional allies?
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June 7, 2021 8:05am
- Master Mariner
  
  Fully agree.
  
  AI is already writing arcticles for news stories.
  Thing of concern to me ( previous stated) is that Microsoft have opened a data base? here.
  
  Also Hendy were using Microsoft programs for Covid modeling deaths ( As previous mentioned).
  
  Things just dont sit right in my mind.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:40am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Well it was actually an Imperial College model
    
    However. Microsoft helped them “clean up” the code because by all accounts it was incredibly badly* written
    
    *So bad that it couldn’t (can’t?) replicate answers from identical data
    
    EDIT: and produced different answers depending upon the cpu in use
    
    https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:55am
Captain Mainwaring

Very sporting declaration by Williamson and true to form the poms shut up shop.
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June 7, 2021 8:05am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Shame wasnt it. But then I think it might also reflect the Poms facing the reality that their batting line up in a tad fragile, particularly in the middle order.
  
  So, Captain, a question. For mine, Id be dropping Taylor and putting Conway in at 2nd drop, trying that for the 2nd Test.
  
  Thoughts? Anyone? Know its controversial and in all likelihood Taylor, a long time and very good servant to NZ cricket and NZ, will most likely retire after the India match, but surely its about results and fielding our best team?
  
  And its not just about Conways 200, as wonderful a knock as it was. Taylor hasn’t delivered in a long time.
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:18am
- oldgolfer
  
  Yes, got up early expecting good cricket and very disappointed in the England attitude. And they wonder was Test cricket is losing its lustre .
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:06am
- MCos
  
  There’s no way the Gentlemen of England could have chased down that total in 75 overs approx.
  Their batsmen aren’t good enough. Joe Root is the only one with an average better than Colin de Grandhomme.
  Our plucky chaps hit out and got out.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:11am
- Tony
  
  To be fair, we probably would have done the same at three down.
  
  It would have been very hard to get the runs because the fielding captain can adopt all sorts of tactics to slow the run rate down. Bowling outside leg etc for instance.
  
  So, chasing the runs would have heavily favoured the fielding team. With one test still to go, it was probably better to settle for a draw in this one and leave the series open for the decider.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:36am
- yossarian
  
  Did we win on the ‘boundary count back’?
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:31am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  A great part if Kiwiblog is the cricket commentators, many of whom are more knowledgeable than the hacks in the press.
  So your comments on England’s tenth wicket partnership on day two; the NZ bowling attack was shown to be a bit average there.
  If my comment is unfair, please tell me.
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:05am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Concur, they looked tired and didnt seem to be able to pull anything new out of their bag of tricks, which was a shame.
    
    Not having Boult in the side for me is a weakness – think he came home prior to heading to the UK (hes been spotted training at Lords) for family reasons, which is fair enough. Seems hes been penciled for the second test, good.
    
    Sadly that means we played Santner who, frankly, couldn’t turn a fucking door knob.
    
    For me they should have gone with Mitchell instead of Santner. Drop Taylor, Conway 2nd drop and the two Toms to open.
    
    And Im praying Kane’s slump is very short-lived.
    
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    June 7, 2021 4:52pm
hullkiwi

Yesterday, had an interesting situation which got us wondering. We had reason to visit Tindall’s Red Shed at Silverdale and found you could make purchases only if you had cash. At the store their systems were down for electronic payments.
That got us thinking, given our modern dependency on electronic card payment systems, what will happen in the future when NZ starts to have electricity blackouts? This all because NZ has failed to invest in electricity generating plant of significant capacity over the past 30 years.
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June 7, 2021 8:06am
- JackRabbit
  
  Good point. And Cindy’s commitment to 100% renewable energy by 2030 is a crock of shit. The best renewable energy currently, is hydroelectricity. Especially as demand is increasing due to electric cars.
  
  Given the decades of run-up required to put dams in place, 2040 would be difficult, even if there were dam projects in the pipeline.
  
  But here we are in Lala land, where Cindy tells us that all forms of heating, lighting, industrial energy use, and transportation will be renewable and not a drop of petroleum in sight. But no more dams because we have to be kind to the snails.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:37am
  - theoldbloke
    
    Why would you believe anything the current gubbermint says. They have a fantastic record of not actually doing anything.
    
    So 100% renewable by 2030 is going to follow their track record. ie it wont happen.
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:49pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Reason why I have a wetback, Can cook on my fire top and grow vegies, shoot deer and catch fish.
  Off to Chathams for a week next week.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But as my ancestors discovered…
    
    it’s very easy to decree that only special people can:
    own firearms
    shoot deer
    tickle trout.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:43am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Pleased you made it back to NZ at last.
    
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    June 7, 2021 2:25pm
- Nickc2
  
  A good point. I see Aust is seriously considering Nuclear Power in some states and why not? I think the concept of any Nuclear Power in NZ a bit too grown-up for our mob to think about. Having said that, we are fast approaching black-out season and surely, we should be addressing the situation.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:44am
- cmm
  
  If the electricity gets that unreliable, you can bet your last dollar that Red Shed etc will install back up systems to keep their tills running when the power goes out.
  
  Otherwise, it’s back to the 1990s. Remember them? Shops weren’t open 24/7 and people survived.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:45am
  - JackRabbit
    
    The cost of solar keeps dropping. But it will not be the energy savings that motivate large warehouses (in general) to invest in solar. It will be protection of revenue when there is instability in the electricity grid.
    
    With Cindy’s push to electric cars, outlaw oil and clean burning gas, and an increased reliance on imported coal, makes us a third world country in terms of energy.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:05am
    - Paulus
      
      New Mini Nuclear Power Stations now being seriously developed in the UK. Seriously yes.
      Believe something like 24 are being considered the first starting later this years – to power believed something like ?????? houses each.
      
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      June 7, 2021 11:19am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Hell would freeze over before Cindy and the GreenMonks would even read about anything Nuclear.
        
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        June 7, 2021 2:22pm
- [email protected]
  
  Before his death Stephen Hawkin theorized that AI along with gene editing and a large astroid was one of the leading contenders as a reason for the demise of the human race.
  
  Much more likely in the near future is a hacking of the electronic payment system that steals and encrypts the data until a large payment is made to the hackers. Better keep some cash around 🙂
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:59am
- MCos
  
  Electricity generation in NZ has been privatized.
  In the good old days the MOW built the dams. I doubt if any private company would want to build a Benmore let alone a nuclear power station.
  Furthermore.
  Ain’t nobody gonna want a nuclear power station in their part of the shakey isles.
  Manapouri Power Station will become available soon.
  I’m also wondering if the country may become more power efficient with the increased use of led lighting as an example.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:55am
  - alwyn
    
    Back in the late 1960s work was well underway to build a Nuclear Power station in New Zealand. The proposed site was at Oyster Point on the Kaipara Harbour.
    The proposal was scrapped when the Maui gas field was discovered and the only practical use for the gas was to use it in a gas-fired power station.
    You can drive Green Party supporters nuts by pointing out what could have happened if the oil exploration ban had been in place in 1969, and Maui had never been discovered..
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:39am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I suggest that is over pessimistic and in parts wrong. With support from government (needed for environmental approvals etc) one of the generators might well build a large dam if a site was available. But I don’t think any sizeable catchments remain unexploited in an area where such a development would be permitted.
    
    Add to this if you like, but almost every river that has the flow and reliability is in the South Island West coast area down to fiordland. The Buller river springs to mind but I can’t see that being dammed.
    
    Nuclear could easily be placed in a relatively stable location, the site identified 40 or so years ago is probably still the best. That is Kaipara North Head south of Dargaville. It is high enough to be out of reach to any but the most catastrophic tsunamis (up to 250 metres, and if the tsunami goes that far up bye bye Auckland), and that area is as seismically stable as anywhere in NZ, has ready access to cooling water off shore, and is close enough to where the power is needed to make transmission simple.
    
    Manapouri could be available any time, but until we can transmit the power Northwards it is of very limited value. This has been brought up a number of times before, and the projected cost of linking Manapouri to the Benmore main switching centre with a network capable of carrying the full output is in the region of $1.5B. Probably should be done anyway, but not a quick or cheap answer.
    
    And yes, no doubt the widespread use of LED lighting in many areas has had some impact on power usage, but lighting is not a major power use, heating and especially hot water would be the biggest part. Cooking as well. More efficient appliances also probably helps, but as the become more efficient, we use more of them.
    
    Final thought, not so long ago I was shopping and the power went out; and the business had those old zip-zap machines with paper based card transactions that were wheeled out for temporary use. Would of course take time to process those transactions later, and hence be a bit of a cost, but more flexible than just cash.
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:45am
    - CJames
      
      Ed I think you are an order of magnitude too low to get the full 4000GWh pa north. It will take 10 years to get the consents and even thien, they will need Public Works Act. Transpower can’t even move two pylons in Tauranga Harbour without running foul of the law.
      
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      June 7, 2021 12:50pm
      - MCos
        
        Imagine how long it would take to get consent for a nuclear power station.
        There would be huge opposition, reasonable or not.
        Then there’s the cost.
        I wonder if anyone has done an analysis comparing the cost of nuclear, wind, solar for NZ conditions?
        
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        June 7, 2021 3:42pm
      - sooty
        
        Just wait untill we start getting power cuts and it will go into construction real quick to appease the voters, or they are out on their arse!
        
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        June 7, 2021 4:31pm
      - MCos
        
        Let’s wait and see it there’s an electricity shortage.
        Or do we plan for the future?
        
        Don’t put Watercare in charge, I say.
        
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        June 7, 2021 9:57pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “…and the projected cost of linking Manapouri to the Benmore main switching centre with a network capable of carrying the full output is in the region of $1.5B. Probably should be done anyway, but not a quick or cheap answer.”
      
      Just use Grant Robertson’s $926,000,000 Implementation Fund, and the $685,000,000 Auckland Lycra Bridge Fund, and you have the $1.5 Billion plus a surplus. So no cost at all. 🙂
      
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      June 7, 2021 3:26pm
    - doggone7
      
      I didn’t know the reasons why nuclear is frowned upon. Googled it. First article:
      “To recap, new nuclear power costs about 5 times more than onshore wind power per kWh (between 2.3 to 7.4 times depending upon location and integration issues). Nuclear takes 5 to 17 years longer between planning and operation and produces on average 23 times the emissions per unit electricity generated (between 9 to 37 times depending upon plant size and construction schedule). In addition, it creates risk and cost associated with weapons proliferation, meltdown, mining lung cancer, and waste risks. Clean, renewables avoid all such risks.”
      
      https://www.leonardodicaprio.org/the-7-reasons-why-nuclear-energy-is-not-the-answer-to-solve-climate-change/
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:17pm
- rjay
  
  Apparently the govt has formed a working party on this very topic
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/124830983/leading-scientists-call-for-public-report-of-risks-facing-nz
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:44pm
- rouppe
  
  Diesel backup generators… Or small petrol ones for one’s home to power essentials like the beer fridge
  
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  June 7, 2021 1:28pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Dont get excited. Small standby generations will burn some fossil fuel to keep the electronics working.
  
  Just like many other countries with intermittent power.
  Its no big deal
  
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  June 7, 2021 1:47pm
- jgw739
  
  In related news, the medium sized nationwide business I work for has made the decision to no longer accept cash or cheques as of 1st July. I questioned the legality of this and was told that we only need to accept cash for overdue account payments. I wonder how many other businesses are quietly changing to cashless?
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:02pm
Benedict Yu

I would be interested in views on this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/125346162/irresponsible-rape-survivors-advocates-louise-nicholas-and-help-slam-tvnzs-craig-mclachlan-interview

So this guy was charged with sex offences. He was found not guilty. And this TV interview is about the whole affair.

Now a bunch of women go nuts.

“But when we have stories like this where it’s all about the [alleged] offender and ‘Oh, poor me’, it definitely has an impact on those who will come forward, and I don’t think it’s responsible of TV to do that.”

Note carefully that the journalist inserted “alleged” in square brackets. This campaigner is still calling him an “offender”.

Let’s switch things around. A scenario where a woman is being seriously assaulted by a man. She grabs a knife and kills him. Police charge her with manslaughter. Jury says ‘You must be kidding.’ She is found not guilty. The media would be all over it. Would the media run a story by men’s advocates who call her a killer and demand that she be silenced?

I have zero interest in watching this show. But I think that it is a legitimate subject for a journalist.
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June 7, 2021 8:07am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Led by the well-known fantasist Louise Nicholas, natch
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:50am
- oldfella
  
  BY, I’m always surprised by people who suggest that programmes like this will retraumatise women and men who have suffered harm.
  Surely the answer is to simply not watch the programme.
  As with any form of speech you find objectionable, ignore the speaker.
  But maybe that’s too much like common sense.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:45am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s the problem with common sense these days. It’s not very common at all.
    
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    June 7, 2021 5:40pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Where were the people complaining about the pile of steaming dung broadcast on free-to-air in the last week?
  
  The hagiography and martyrdom of George Floyd had everything – shmaltzy music, tear-jerking and heart-warming stories about what a great dad he was, what a worthwhile and loving human being he’d become, how he was innocently popping down to the convenience store for no particular reason at all, and how the entire human race had been cruelly robbed of the chance to simply exist on the same planet as this paragon of virtue.
  
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  June 7, 2021 5:43pm
Mobile Michael

Congratulations to Michael Holdsworth on being made a Member of the New Zealand Order of Merit for his leadership in the Intellectual Disability community. He’s a true leader and an example of having the right attitude to life.
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June 7, 2021 8:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

Prof Siouxie Wiles is spot on asking questions about scientific publishing.

I firmly believe that anyone anywhere in the world should be able to read the results of studies coming out of my lab. My research is publicly funded after all. But it’s also a question of equity. Why should findings only be available to those who can afford journal subscriptions or one-off fees?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/300325106/academic-publishing-is-a-broken-mess
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June 7, 2021 8:22am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  If you are reading what the pink haired one says, you must have lots of free time to kill….Just sayin….
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:30am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    TBF she does good science in her field of expertise
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She presents a pretty clear picture of the problem.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:19am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      What problem?
      
      That if you want to use a service there’s payment involved?
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:37am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Because publishers should provide their time, effort and platforms for free?
  
  What a bizarre idea
  
  Look, there’s precisely nothing stopping the Pink Haired Fraggle from self-publishing and making any of her work freely available
  
  Her argument is similar to let’s say an Airbnb host who gets the reach of that international platform (and the business) but doesn’t think that they should pay for it
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:31am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Both her parents were card carrying communist I believe so I guess some of it must of rubbed off.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m not sure the commercial model is the primary failing. For me that failing is the peer review process which has become a fetid swap of tribalism. A close second would be the weaponizing of ‘the science’ by political leaders in support of their delicately cultivated fascist aspirations.
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They are all clearly linked nowadays.
    
    But even within NZ’s research Journals, there is no need for journal papers to be embargoed for 3 years before the public can read research they have publicly funded.
    
    US$53 to read a paper on North Island Glaciation
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00288306.2020.1811354
    
    or Maori Journeys to Antarctica
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03036758.2021.1917633?src=
    
    etc
    
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    June 7, 2021 8:47am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Well maybe they could put them on google docs, y’know just a thought…
      
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      June 7, 2021 9:51am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        That is a great idea, they will peer review them and decide if it is safe enough for you to be exposed to them.
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:36am
      - oldfella
        
        Davey, post them on Facebook. They’re great at sorting out what’s true and what’s not. /s
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:49am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        @oldfella
        
        Has the lab leak stopped being a conspiracy theory then 😉
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:04am
      - Ed Snack
        
        There are actual online forums for this sort of thing. Arxiv is one such where a a lot of speculative physics stuff gets published.
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:50am
    - rangitoto
      
      There are already free access pre-print archives like:
      
      https://arxiv.org/
      
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      June 7, 2021 11:11am
    - SB2
      
      There is plenty of more general information available online eg,
      
      “The forgotten glaciers of Te Ika-a-Maui”
      
      “Glaciers are iconic symbols of New Zealand’s landscape. While the glaciers of the Southern Alps are the most numerous and famous, several glaciers remain in the North Island and are no less affected by our changing climate.”
      
      A new review in the New Zealand Journal of Geology and Geophysics outlines recent advances in our understanding of past and present glacier change in Te Ika-a-Maui/North Island.
      
      https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/research/the-forgotten-glaciers-of-te-ika-a-maui/
      
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      June 7, 2021 11:24am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    I guess you got another paper rejected.
    “delicately cultivated fascist aspirations” “fetid swamp of tribalism” with sentences like that no wonder you think peer review is tribal.
    Peer review is ultimately judged by the work’s citations.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Peer Review is often Pal Review.
      
      Many scientists prefer putting a pre-publication version of their paper on one of the Open Source Science archives…. they get a better quality of feedback that helps to shape up an improved paper.
      
      https://static.arxiv.org/static/arxiv.marxdown/0.1/about/reports/2020_arXiv_annual_report.pdf
      
      https://www.enago.com/academy/biorxiv-a-pre-print-repository-for-life-sciences/
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:28am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        So there are Open Source alternatives?
        
        Again what’s the problem?
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:38am
      - oldfella
        
        Be interested to hear Pharmachick on this subject.
        
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        June 7, 2021 10:50am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Very much so.
        
        But I thought this par was interesting:
        
        “…how many other researchers in New Zealand publish this way? After all, it’s not required and supported by our government or funders, like it is in countries like the UK”
        
        So from what she says, she doesn’t have to publish her work in this way. Rather she chooses to do so
        
        I really don’t see what her beef is. Unless she wants the credibility and visibility that this method of publishing bring. And horror of horrors organisations with costs and reputations want to be paid for their costs and use of their reputation
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:12am
    - Unity
      
      Brian, why are you always so negative? It would be good to hear something positive from you for a change. It’s almost as though you live to find fault.
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:50am
- MrTips
  
  Most of the answer lies in >98% of academics being naive and frankly, stupid, when it comes to the real world.
  
  For example, an academic complains when they have to pay a plumber $30 for a call out fee/travel time……. when those very same academics spend 4-5 hours reviewing articles for journals FOR FREE.
  
  Academics need to wake up and start charging journals for their reviewing time. Why not? They have a skill set and ability. It is the only language the large publishers like Elsevier will understand. The journals may then put their prices up but then no-one will buy the journals.
  
  Wiles also over-estimates how many people are actually interested in her work. For those that are, she should download the PDFs of her work into her website or ResearchGate where anyone can see them. Isn’t she a communicator after all?
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:03am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Ideas are just ideas. So many academics publish things that are their ideas or research. But ideas are all they are, even if they are accurate. But as you say >98% of academics are naive and stupid. If they are naive and stupid, chances are their ideas as well.
    
    Results however, have a way of informing the world. If something has validity, it has to be taken to the next level, and applied to make some difference to the world, make a product, a service, a cure, a solution to a problem, etc.
    
    Results, not ideas, are what make the world a better place. People will pay money for results, ideas not so much unless they actually work. You can get big money for ideas that work, but to prove it works, you have to take it one level further and demonstrate it.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:50am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Over 98% of the statistics in the above comment were made up.
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:46am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Over 98% of the statistics in the above comment were made up. is made up.
        
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        June 7, 2021 2:19pm
- CJames
  
  The other major issue is the publishers are deliberately looking for sensationalism – gets the clicks. That means they choose articles that are often very poorly written, have dodgy data or reasoning but they have a clickbait abstract, even if the conclusions don’t support it. Think climate science.
  The underlying problem is there are too many academics, often secondrate for the best are making money in private industry, under publish or perish, Universities are now mainly just degree mills under a pretense of intellectual superiority. There is also grade inflation which is a whole separate problem.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:15am
- Albert_Ross
  
  She might equally ask – and socialists often do – why should “insert anything here” only be available to those who can afford to pay for it?
  
  Because it won’t be available at all unless somebody puts time, expense and effort into making it available, and most people can’t do that without being paid for it, is why.
  
  Generosity with other people’s money is easy, and may even make you feel good if you don’t think too carefully about it. Sooner or later, though, you run out.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:17am
- Master Mariner
  
  An interesting article on pricing.
  https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16985666/alexandra-elbakyan-sci-hub-open-access-science-papers-lawsuit
  If my memorary serves me right there is a big push to make all studies open sourced. How much traction is anyones guess.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:30am
- cmm
  
  It’s a nice wee trough of exclusivity – just like academia.
  
  From my limited understanding Prof Wiles is prevented by the university from publishing her material on a public platform and may only publish it via these gate-keepers of “truth”.
  
  It’s a bit like joining industry bodies such as IEEE where if you don’t join you’re cut off from a huge industrial knowledgebase. It has improved a bit, but not all the way there yet.
  
  Join IEEE and two or three of the other publishers and you’ve spend $400 per year.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:56am
- GJM
  
  One good thing about the US. If it is funded by the taxpayer, it is released free. This includes research, world leading software (e.g. Fire Dynamics Simulator) from the likes of NIST.
  The US taxpayer acutally gets a lot of benefit from it, as the research and software is picked up and extended by others.
  We shoudl do the same. It always annoys me that NZ Standards are developed and written by unpaid volunteers , yet cost a fortune to buy.
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:59pm
harvey wilson

It was interesting reading the responses to Andrea Vances column yesterday.
As we saw here with Muttonbirds flailing attempts at deflection none of Labours online shills seemed to be able to actually critique the content so they attacked Vance instead often in language they would deride others for using as being sexist.
Likewise since Mike King stopped supping the Koolaid the best they can do is “Mike King isn’t a mental health professional”
Oh please.

Thats very telling , if National stop being such a shambles theres plenty of scope for pointing out just how badly Labour are performing, Kiwibuild, Kiwitest, Kiwivax, Kiwiquarentine etc etc. The list just goes on and on.

I’m actually astounded more hasn’t been made about how Ardern almost failed to isolate the most isolated nation on earth and it took an online petition from Simon Bridges during lockdown before they properly shut the borders down .https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/04/coronavirus-national-s-petition-for-mandatory-quarantining-received-unprecedented-response-simon-bridges.html
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June 7, 2021 8:23am
hullkiwi

What a farce the announced agreement over international corporation taxation arrangements is.
Claims that it will stop the race to the bottom with countries creating tax havens for corporates with ever lower corporate tax rates, are just that claims that are baseless.
With many Non G7 countries having corporation tax regimes with tax rates below 15%, how do the G7 expect things to change. Then there is the clause that it will only apply to nominated profits in the specific trading country where the profits are above 10%.

How will either of the above key clauses stop the extensive “Corporate Intercompany Transfer Charging Regimes” that see a companies profits moved from one tax jurisdiction to another without any impediment and only limited tax being paid? Agreements such as the one announced this weekend, is nothing but window dressing to the problem of corporations that operate in multi-national jurisdictions and do not pay appropriate levels of corporation tax.
Until countries impose turnover taxes on the sales/revenue received from sales in a specific country, multi-national corporations will continue to invest in “Transfer payment regimes” to launder profits from jurisdictions of high corporate tax rates to tax havens, and will continue to make the politicians who talk of significant changes as this announcement look as clueless (or inept) as they really are.
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June 7, 2021 8:30am
- Ed Snack
  
  Nope, sales taxes are a lousy way to raise tax, different industries have hugely different margins.
  
  NZ already has a transfers regime and a thin capitalisation prevention one as well. As long as one applies fair rules to transfers, why should organisations not be able to set up their affairs to (legally) minimise their taxation imposition.
  
  Remember, ultimately companies don’t pay taxes, only people pay taxes. Company tax is in some measure ultimately paid by owners, employees, and customers in various shares.
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:02pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Ed, the corporations make a mockery of the rules. For example Starbucks UK does not make taxable profits, this is because of the “cost” of the coffee beans used, “imported” from the Caribbean via the Netherlands.
    
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    June 7, 2021 2:10pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Taxation is a national sovereign issue. Have the global megacorps now decided they are the masters of the world and what their position will be?
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:26pm
JibberJabber

The inimitable Baroness,

And what a prize we have to fight for: no less than the chance to banish from our land the dark divisive clouds of Marxist socialism.
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June 7, 2021 8:36am
burt

So what’s the most distressing think about the Fauci emails – that he bold faced lied or that Trump was right?
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June 7, 2021 8:37am
- tf78
  
  burt, Trump was generally right on most things.
  
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  June 7, 2021 8:54am
- MCos
  
  The only interesting thing about that run of the mill attack on Fauci is whether the term ‘bold faced’ is correct, or should it be ‘bare faced’ or ‘bald faced’.
  Once that is established who is actually fermenting the lies? Trump or someone whispering in his ear?
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Surely fomenting , as in happy mischief.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      MCos – another victim of Muphry’s Law:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law
      
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      June 7, 2021 10:48am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Downtick for not knowing the word foment and instead using a malapropism
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:00am
    - MCos
      
      Suit yourself
      
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      June 7, 2021 12:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A boldfaced lie is a perfectly good idiom.
    
    boldface means impudent, audacious, flagrant
    
    bold face, of course, is the name for this type face…. and would seem to work just as well in idiomatic use – bold face lie… meaning an obvious lie
    
    barefaced and bald-faced are also correctly applied in the idiom.
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:50pm
- SB2
  
  burt, what did Fauci lie about exactly?
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:29am
JibberJabber

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5QwKEwo4Bc

Clarke and Dawe – ~~European~~ New Zealand Debt Crisis
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June 7, 2021 8:40am
- Ruawai
  
  Very true.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:08am
- [email protected]
  
  Worth a watch – thanks!
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I was wondering who’s economic blueprint Grant was using…now I know…thank you.
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:58am
- freemark
  
  A great Aussie series on Netflix could be Grunter’s blueprint. Utopia, scary and hilarious
  
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  June 7, 2021 6:49pm
ABS4EVA

[Mod – repetitive and boring]
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June 7, 2021 8:44am
- krazykiwi
  
  Repetitive and boring … and probably not in breech of the commenting policies. We’ll never know, of course, because the Mod (bless him/her for their voluntary work) decided that we shouldn’t decide.
  
  [Mod. Note: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
  
  “Who has the right to post comments on this blog?
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:47am
- ISeeRed
  
  I just wanna know how to get abs forever.
  
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  June 7, 2021 2:32pm
RockyJ

A laugh for the morning at our fellow kiwis.
I was looking through the government’s petitions to parliament website. Here are some of the issues of concern:
• Ban the use and sale of glitter in NZ.
• Implement a one child policy in NZ to combat climate change.
• Stop killer robots.
•.Remove all erect phalluses from public Maori statues.
•. Allow for 12 to 14 year olds to vote on issues to be prioritised
• Designers of public infrastructure be required to meet equine needs
•. Fair road levies, more biofuel and remuneration for tree owners.
It was reassuring to see that these petitions had gained few signatures. Eg, the one child policy only had one, probably the starter’s obnoxious brother.
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June 7, 2021 8:47am
- artemisia
  
  I have a parliamentary petition with nearly 2000 sigs glacially winding its way through Select Committee. Been with the SC for a year now. Hoping for a hearing before the 2023 election but not holding my breath.
  
  Not sure I will bother again.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:06am
  - MCos
    
    Is that the ban glitter one?
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:15pm
    - RockyJ
      
      Yes it is a current petition. Wait until the 12 to 18 year olds get to vote on that!
      
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      June 7, 2021 1:22pm
Tasman Terror

Jacinda wept.
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June 7, 2021 9:08am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

has anyone heard or seen an update on the India covid disaster? a few weeks ago it was Wall to Wall coverage, and a reminder of what a great Job Cindy has done. whats the story now?
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June 7, 2021 9:21am
- Dougal10
  
  The real facts didn’t align with the ones released by cindys spin doctor team so tv 1 and 3 quietly moved on.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:39am
- kowtow
  
  Gaza gazumpted the Ganges.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:40am
- burt
  
  They started using Ivermectin and their numbers have plummeted, much like Mexico.
  
  It’s not in the interests of vaccine makers to have them in the media now.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Covid-19 seems to have peaked in Early May in India and is on a downward trajectory at the moment..
  
  Afghanistan kept a pretty open border with India and is now heading for Covid disaster
  http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/asiapacific/2021-06/06/c_139992185.htm
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What the media don’t say is before Covid the death rate was 25K to 39K per day anyway
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Typo. Should be 25 to 30 thousand
      
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      June 7, 2021 2:16pm
- MCos
  
  I wondered about that myself.
  The worlds media has moved on to other things, for example Trump’s announcement he’ll be back in the White House by August.
  Here’s some info on the Indian situation.
  https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/coronavirus-in-india-covid-cases-vaccine-news-live-updates-5-june-2021/liveblog/83251079.cms
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:55am
- cmm
  
  What CV19 disaster in India? Their per-million death rate is around 200. That is better than any country in Europe or North America.
  
  The only things that made the numbers look big are:
  1) India is a logistics disaster zone anyway and the slightest change throws the place into disarray making everything seem worse.
  2) Their huge numbers make big numbers for small %.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:05am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    All informed commentators have said India’s real rate is at least three or four times the published figures. They simply don’t have the testing capability to determine the true level of infection. Hardly surprising given that much of India is third world.
    So probably India has been affected as much as the lower rate European countries.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:23am
    - kowtow
      
      They’re way more advanced than we are.
      
      They’ve got billions of $ for a space program , that can’t be third world ……..
      
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      June 7, 2021 12:16pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        kowtow,
        
        That is why I said much of India is third world, as opposed to it all being Third world. Anyone who has been there will know just what an extraordinary level of inequality there is in India.
        
        Hundreds of millions without electricity but also maybe a hundred million or more with First World lifestyles.
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:01pm
      - kowtow
        
        I realise that , but by the same token one could say the same thing about areas of New Zealand……
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:38pm
      - MCos
        
        Which areas of NZ lack electricity.
        For that matter half of Indian homes don’t have a toilet.
        
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        June 7, 2021 9:52pm
    - freemark
      
      Exactly. A virus so deadly that the vast majority of people don’t know that have it unless “shown” by a test deemed unsuitable for this purpose by the inventor, and easily susceptible to gross manipulation of results.
      
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      June 7, 2021 6:53pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Read this about the introduction of Ivermectin in India.
  
  Just three weeks after adding Ivermectin, Delhi now leads India out of the deadly second surge of the COVID pandemic. Cases that had peaked at 28,395 on April 20 plummeted nearly 80% to just 6,430 on May 15. Deaths peaked May 4, and now they are also down 25%.
  :::
  Meanwhile, three other Indian states have followed Goa’s lead in adding Ivermectin: Uttarkhand, Karnataka, and Uttar Pradesh. And, as expected, they have seen a drop in new daily cases as well, with Uttar Pradesh down nearly 75% from a peak of 37,944 just four days after they began following the April 20 AIIMS guidance to just 10,505 on May 16.
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  The tragic story in all this is that the Indian state of Tamil Nadu installed a new leader on May 7, 2021. He suddenly reversed their state’s decision to adopt Ivermectin. Readers of my book all know about Peruvian President Sagasti’s fateful decision to outlaw Ivermectin. Before taking power, the COVID deaths had dropped 14 fold to almost nothing with Ivermectin use. However after Sagasti was elected, Ivermectin was stopped, and deaths roared back at 13 fold.
  
  The global experimental vaccination campaign is not well served by treatment success stories, hence the deliberately reduced media coverage.
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:00pm
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Not surprisingly Quackwatch have a slightly different view on the efficacy of ivermectin
    
    https://quackwatch.org/ncahf/digest21/21-10/
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:22pm
  - MCos
    
    Interesting article on ivermectin
    https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/ivermectin-covid-19-antiparasitic-political/
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:39pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      A leading member of Covid fascism fan club says there’s nothing to see with this close-to-zero cost remedy. Who would have thought.
      
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      June 7, 2021 4:50pm
Maggie Pie

Just been arranging with a few of the other girls from work to meet up for lunch on Wednesday.
We haven’t had a chance to all get together for ages.
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June 7, 2021 9:22am
- MCos
  
  That’s nice, dear.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s perfect timing, you must admit.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You have a good life Maggie. On Wednesday I’ll have a 20 minute break with chicken and noodles for lunch ?
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yu is a Chinese sounding name though isn’t it?
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:40am
    - oldfella
      
      Maggie, yes, Yu is definitely a Chinese sounding name. Hmm…
      I wonder if Benedict is one of those people Phil Twatford accused of buying up all our houses a few years back? 😉 🙂
      
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      June 7, 2021 11:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Heck,
  You should have organised a girls’ week away to Raro or something…
  
  A 1 day strike will blow over in no time… Hippy and Ash and Our Dear PM won’t even blink.
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not even a day Maggs! It’s only the equivalent of a single shift.
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:30pm
KevO'Brien

Problems of affirming childrens’ gender dysphoria:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/525705-dysphoric-gender-children-trans/
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June 7, 2021 9:29am
Maggie Pie

Lilibet Diana Mountbatten Windsor – Markle.

The Queen and the rest of the Royal Family, are reportedly ‘overjoyed’ with the birth of the 8th in line to the throne.

Do they have those ‘TUI’ billboards in the UK?
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June 7, 2021 9:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  The tone deaf entitlement of these two knows no bounds.
  There was always going to be a ticket clip on Diana, but Lilibet?
  Crass Harry has no respect for his Grandmother on any level.
  
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  June 7, 2021 9:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One of my twitter besties is a Royal Watcher in the UK.
    She tweeted Phillips other fave nickname for the Queen was…CABBAGE.
    
    Would have been far more appropriate. LOL!!!
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:02am
  - MCos
    
    There’s a sense of entitlement with the entire Royal Family and there’s no better example than Harry’s Uncle Andy.
    It’s just amazing they can act as if nothing ever happened sometimes.
    ‘Shame about Hong Kong. More tea vicar?’
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:05am
  - rouppe
    
    Nor for his daughter.
    
    Lilibet? Good grief. Karen would have been better
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:40pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… I can see Prince Philip turning over in his grave. That was his pet name for the Queen/wife.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:06am
  - Flossie
    
    Maybe Philip did call the queen Lilibet, but she’d been known as that as a child years before (I think) by her father.
    
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    June 7, 2021 10:31am
    - lifesgood
      
      The name Lilibet came from the queen herself who couldn’t pronounce Elizabeth as a wee child.
      
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      June 7, 2021 11:42am
      - lifesgood
        
        It’s a bit of a joke calling the baby Lilibet to try and curry favour. I’m afraid they’ve burnt too many bridges. I wonder what will happen re the christening?
        
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        June 7, 2021 11:45am
- Nickc2
  
  Did Major Hewett send his congratulations?
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:12am
Kiwi_in_Paris

One of the honest, and courageous doctors in the UK:

https://twitter.com/drsamuelwhite_/status/1400902881696489478
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June 7, 2021 9:33am
- cha
  
  Dude’s a fucking quack.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_medicine
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:31am
I remember when

“White men don’t want to give away their power.”
On the other hand, if it is taken away by people with greater ability, skills – that is fine.
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June 7, 2021 9:39am
- RockyJ
  
  When you are with people with greater skills and ability you freely give them power, they dont have to take it
  
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  June 7, 2021 12:17pm
kowtow

‘Diversity is an incredibly important model for sport in NZ, so we need to make sure we are creating an environment for all young people regardless, so they feel safe and welcome,” chief executive Raelene Castle tells Newshub. ‘

The irony is the trannies make it unsafe for girls and will drive them out of sports.

Can someone remind me about what a great job Castle did for Footie across the ditch.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/06/former-olympians-challenge-sport-nz-draft-guidelines-on-transgender-athletes-want-more-consultation.html
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June 7, 2021 9:45am
- oldfella
  
  kowtow, TV3 news last night made this their second story. TV1 ignored it. Not sure if stuffed or horrid will cover it in any depth as they might see it as unkind to the trans community.
  Bugger the feelings, and safety, of real women!
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:15am
I remember when

Joe racks up another 151 covid deaths.
Apparently it is because such a large part of the population are not prepared to get immunised.
When Trump was in power they all caught covid because of his ‘misinformation.’
I wonder where those making up their own minds about immunisation now were then.
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June 7, 2021 10:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dr. Fauci was behind the Pandemic!!! How could he predict in 2017 pandemic if he was not involved!! Why would he give the China Lab 3.7 million US dollars?? “Dr. Fauci in 2017: ‘There Will Be a Surprise Outbreak’ During the Next Administration” which he was talking about Trump’s Admin. Surprisely this didn’t happen until Trump’s last year of his term after the Democrat’s lost the two impeachments to get him out of office!!! Dr. Fauci had them release this pandemic hoping this would cause the American people to hate Trump and not vote him into office a second time!! Dr. Fauci and Democrat’s involved in this are traitors to our country and the American People!! He did not do this all by his self!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO9w1qeIoxk
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June 7, 2021 10:09am
- oldfella
  
  Covid 19 coronavirus: Wuhan lab leak story looks set to change the world
  Covid is fast becoming a lightning rod for one of those decisive moments in history, a great shifting of the tectonic plates which sees nearly 50 years of deepening economic integration between East and West go powerfully into reverse.
  Release of a mammoth cache of emails to and from Dr Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to the White House, has brought China’s culpability in the origins of the disease firmly back into the public eye.
  It turns out that Fauci was alerted to the possibility that the virus could have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory as early as January 2020, or well before the disease began to take hold in the West.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-leak-story-looks-set-to-change-the-world/ZOWVMSNQMCLP4TJ5RFHMJZDRK4/
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:55am
- Northshoredoc
  
  That YouTube video doesn’t say what you think it does Steve.
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe you should go see a Doc
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:52pm
- SB2
  
  A Fauci cheap far right crank attack!
  
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  June 7, 2021 1:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is a fucking rabid leftie – like you
    
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    June 7, 2021 2:17pm
kiwikidsnz

Chris Trotter

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/110731/given-events-week-just-past-national%E2%80%99s-paul-goldsmith%E2%80%99s-unfortunate-remarks
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June 7, 2021 10:10am
- Philview
  
  I am finding Chris’s observations to be all over the place at the moment depending on which publication/forum he is writing in.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:43am
Maggie Pie

It doesn’t actually say which Mitre 10 store this guy works at.

I wonder if it’s the same one my partner buys those ‘Z’ Nails?
😀

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1401660953226141700
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June 7, 2021 10:16am
ABS4EVA

The Tree Labour Planted

Has anyone see it?
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June 7, 2021 10:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s developed canker.
  Not much hope left for it, I’m afraid.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:54am
RockyJ

Ollie Robinson suspended from English cricket team for racist and sexist tweets he made in 2013.
He was 19 at the time. FFS!
If Twitter was around when I was 19 I would probably still be in prison.
Cricket is the loser.
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June 7, 2021 10:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And all the poor guy ever said was….
  “My muslim girlfriend turned out to a real a bomb”
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:46am
  - RockyJ
    
    Maggie, that is quite funny. Unfortunately in a war the first casualty is not truth but humour
    
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    June 7, 2021 12:19pm
  - Keith White
    
    “They blow up so quickly.”
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:00pm
    - oldfella
      
      “Got a short fuse.”
      
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      June 7, 2021 5:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Rodney Hide on:
an old white Male Stuff journalist

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/racist-dinosaurs-call-for-one-person-one-vote-stuff?postId=013370eb-9e00-4e62-a2b9-bebf9b5875e5
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June 7, 2021 10:50am
- Unity
  
  Why don’t Maori join the rest of us? Why do they have to have race-based divisions? Surely we can all just be New Zealanders and stop this nonsense. ‘White privilege’ is a ridiculous appendage. After all there are more ‘white’ people than there are ‘Maori’ so there’s often going to be more ‘white’ people sitting at the table. Those who identify as ‘Maori’ should get off their butts and get themselves elected like everyone else has to. I totally disagree with the term ‘white privilege’. The way it seems to be today it would be more appropriate to use the term ‘Maori privilege’ because we are hearing about them day in and day out hour by hour. It’s nauseating. They have been given so much assistance from the year dot so if they aren’t succeeding today, then they should look in the mirror. There are plenty of decent hardworking ‘Maori’ who get on with their lives like the rest of us proving that their ‘Maori’ side doesn’t hold them back. There are no ‘Maori’ today – only people of mixed heritage. We MUST stop these racist divisions and just all be New Zealanders. Special places ‘at the table’ need to be earned, not gifted.
  
  Another great annoyance is giving our country a new name. It is New Zealand full stop.
  
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  June 7, 2021 11:00am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    Maori definitely exist. They have a culture, a language and DNA to prove it.
    There’s more of an argument that New Zealanders don’t exist.
    Go on define a New Zealander?
    
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    June 7, 2021 11:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      define a New Zealander
      
      Any person born in New Zealand or who has been granted New Zealand citizenship.
      
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      June 7, 2021 1:27pm
      - SB2
        
        You’re ignoring the DNA and culturural facets as what it takes to be an Aotearoan New Zealander
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:49pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        There is also the New Zealander born overseas to at least one New Zealand parent (NZ citizenship by descent).
        
        Note that is an inferior grade of citizenship because it cannot be passed on to one’s children. It would have to be “upgraded” to Citizenship by Decree.
        
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        June 7, 2021 1:51pm
      - WaynelSexton
        
        So language, culture, history don’t matter, just geography?
        Aotearoa it is then, as language doesn’t matter.
        
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        June 7, 2021 2:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Wayne Sexton says:“Maori definitely exist. They have a culture, a language and DNA to prove it.”
        
        DNA does not establish countries. Look at Britain, India, Russia, the United States, even Han-dominant China – and you find communities with different DNA.
        
        DNA of Maori shows they are East Polynesians. It shows their ancient origins can be traced back to the tiny hill tribes of Taiwan, and these ancestors receive far less consideration as minorities than Maori do in New Zealand.
        
        It’s disappointing that Polynesian culture in New Zealand gave us warlike hakas and poi dancing, while in another part of East Polynesia it gave the world this:
        
        https://youtu.be/pGi9gLxRRJ8
        
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        June 7, 2021 3:08pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So language, culture, history don’t matter, just geography?
        
        I haven’t said anything about those matters..
        I just gave you information that defines a New Zealander.
        
        @Odakyu-san….correct
        
        New Zealand citizenship
        
        *Citizenship by birth
        *Citizenship by descent
        *Citizenship by grant
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1977/0061/latest/whole.html
        
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        June 7, 2021 3:20pm
    - Unity
      
      All Maori today have other heritage, making them only part Maori. There are no full blooded Maori.
      They should elevate their ‘other’ side and let the World be their oyster. Better still, forget their genetic make-up and just get on with life as a proud New Zealander. They will be so much better for it!!
      
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      June 7, 2021 4:02pm
      - MCos
        
        When I was young a lot of people I knew, who had never been near Ireland, celebrated their Irish roots. Every year down at the church hall there was a St Patrick’s Day concert. My father was president of the Hibernians and they played darts with the Orange Lodge people.
        Then there were the Dalmatian clubs. Down the road from me in Mangere Bridge is a Chinese Activity Centre and there are Indian, Muslim & Thai centres all over the place where people meet.
        Maori marae abound.
        All these people, and many others, retain an identity that goes back to some culture from a country they may only have a tenuous dna connection to.
        
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        June 7, 2021 6:02pm
  - Keith White
    
    Some Maori don’t want to join the rest of us and want to ever-expand race-based divisions because greed, money, power, utu, all of the above.
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:01pm
    - MCos
      
      “don’t want to join the rest of us”
      
      Who exactly are the rest of us and what makes us superior?
      
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      June 7, 2021 6:14pm
  - Bob
    
    The ‘disadvantaged Maori’ are only so because of the poor leadership by some elements of the Maori leadership; mainly lack of leadership and encouragement.
    Maori have had access to all the same schooling as we stale pale white people, difference in achievement is due to our parenting.
    Most modern MAori are doing very well, successful in employment and successful at parenting.
    
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    June 7, 2021 2:15pm
Tony Stuart

Very proud for a member of our Rotary Club this morning. His wife received an ONZM a few years ago, and this morning, Graeme received the Queen’s Service Medal for the hours of voluntary work he has done over many years for the Cancer Society, Master Electricians and Rotary.

We’re only a small club, around fifteen members, but in our ranks we have a Knight, ONZM and QSM; all people who just want to make a difference, and who, in the best traditions of Rotary, put Service Above Self.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/whanganui-chronicle/news/queens-birthday-honours-graeme-baker-loves-giving-back-to-the-community/EMVFL72MGZSWGMNVDFG5S46URU/
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June 7, 2021 11:16am
Maggie Pie

And I can tell you something else…..
you shouldn’t take advice from a clairvoyant who’s never won Lotto.
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June 7, 2021 11:36am
RW Capitalist

Put this on GD this morning 06
https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/076/041/265/original/66acac18ab5f6677.mp4

I see Democrats :
1: Who claimed last year, that DJT never sent them.
2: Never thought that India might have been a better place to send them.
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June 7, 2021 11:42am
Surely Knott

The article in the Herald that Matthew Tukaki was randomly called a racial slur on a wellington street is shocking, and unacceptable.

It lead me to his twitter account and some questions about race, and mixed race families.
He says, ” But The fact we need to spell it out for
@PaulGoldsmithMP and @NZNationalParty
tells me they have learnt nothing. #colonisation was never good for anyone of colour #fullstop.”

His Wikipedia page says, “He is the Great Grandson on his mother’s side of Sir Charles St Julian ” St Julian is french or english originally Charles Trout. He is a person of many colours it seems like many of us. How can he say his European fore fathers made no contribution to this country and it’s development. Wasn’t his own grandfather an advocate for colonisation of a type.

St Julians lead an interesting life in relation to colonisation: “From 1848, when he opened a correspondence with Hawaii, until his death in Fiji twenty-six years later, St Julian pursued a vision of European expansion in the Pacific which he associated with the political emergence of indigenous nations in the islands, modelled on the Polynesian Kingdom of Hawaii. St Julian sought to influence developments in the Pacific, on the one hand through his public writings, on the other by proferring advice privately to those in positions of authority, both in the islands and elsewhere.”
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June 7, 2021 12:15pm
- Keith White
  
  I grew up in rural NZ in a place where Maori families outnumbered European families. I was 5 before I traveled by bus to the ‘big smoke’ and saw more white (no pun intended) than brown people. If I had a dollar for every time I copped a racial slur during my preschool years my school years, my service years and my being out and about in NZ and overseas for decades, I do believe I could buy Parliament another slide. Almost 🙂
  
  But we let these things go in the past (unless it should be best used as a reason for the fight now if the other party was trying to push for one at their choice of time… learned that in the service).
  
  My mother taught me and I see no reason to think otherwise: “Sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you.”
  
  Mr Tutaki, why are you so broken up about getting called a name? Drink a cup of concrete and harden up.
  
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  June 7, 2021 1:25pm
  - MCos
    
    You might be ok with being humiliated in the street by strangers; others have more dignity.
    
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    June 7, 2021 9:41pm
- James Stephenson
  
  It takes some mental gymnastics or self-loathing for someone, who literally wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for colonisation, to say that there were no positives from it.
  
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  June 7, 2021 2:19pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I heard Peter Williams interview Paul Goldsmith during the week. Interestingly, Goldsmith’s first job after graduating from university with an MA in History was with the Waitangi Tribunal. His knowledge and understanding of New Zealand history is, I should imagine, better than most!
  
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  June 7, 2021 4:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    His knowledge and understanding of New Zealand history is, I should imagine, better than most!
    
    Probably the reason some folks want to close him down.
    
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    June 7, 2021 5:14pm
oldfella

Today in the US it’s June 6th – the 77th anniversary of D-Day. Lest we forget.
https://www.voanews.com/europe/sunday-marks-77th-anniversary-d-day
‘Saving Private Ryan'(Netflix) is currently on Netflix and well worth a look if you haven’t seen it. The D-Day scenes are stunning.
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June 7, 2021 12:25pm
oldfella

A Politico senior writer gets stuck into Facebook over its continued banning of Donald Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/04/on-trump-facebook-kicks-the-canagain-491933
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June 7, 2021 12:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No ban, Trump just can not comment.
  Stuff does the same, I can’t remember … oh yeah, that cancel anti narrative shit
  
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  June 7, 2021 4:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some comments from Candace Owens. Smart cookie, I do hope she runs for office one day.
First Black, Woman POTUS?
Anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycLOVgzRg0Y
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June 7, 2021 12:54pm
- SB2
  
  Her Trump associations and his legacy will stop that!
  
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  June 7, 2021 3:29pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Why Stephie? Joe Biden’s association with Bill and Hilary Clinton and their respective legacies doesn’t seem to have stopped him!
    
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    June 7, 2021 4:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The very pretty Candace (Married to a Brit) is living in your head now.
    Still on the ‘plantation’ ?????
    
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    June 7, 2021 4:21pm
Rusty

I also think it is 80 years ago June 1941 that 3 million Germans soldiers plus its allies lined up on the western Russian border to invade that country called “operation Barbarossa”

What would the world be like today had Hitler succeeded in conquering Russia — western Europe living under a totalitarian regime — Britain a military fortress under US influence to stop the Nazi threat ?

Its a lot of what ifs..
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June 7, 2021 12:55pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “— western Europe living under a totalitarian regime —”
  
  Give it time…
  
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  June 7, 2021 1:13pm
  - SB2
    
    And what makes you think that? A Putin Kremlin-based invasion and occupation?
    
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    June 7, 2021 1:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not very bright are you? We all know what Odakyu-sen means
      
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      June 7, 2021 2:18pm
oldfella

Just spotted Stuff’s comments rules. Not exactly a bastion of robust debate or differing opinions.

Our comment section is a safe, constructive place for you to discuss stories and issues that matter to you. To participate, we ask users not to:
– post offensive, abusive or inappropriate content
– share misinformation
– attack, bully, troll or insult others
– breach any of our other terms and conditions.
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June 7, 2021 1:03pm
- Keith White
  
  Well, their Journalistas routinely share misinformation and attack, bully, troll and insult others whose opinions they disagree with, so maybe they better clean up in-house first.
  
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  June 7, 2021 1:26pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  They lost me at “safe”
  
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  June 7, 2021 7:47pm
MCos

Interesting ad
https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1401558459955388419?s=21
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June 7, 2021 1:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Didn’t we just has a post this week condemning NZ media for refusing to publish political ads?
  
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  June 7, 2021 3:33pm
igm

Do Maori/PI qualify for disabled parking without displaying permits, or do they just take them and tell everyone to fuck off. Took a client to Porirua and he had a permit; we went to Pak’nSave, all taken, same at Warehouse, where I was abused. Ignored this rough looking thug, but took his number and when I rego checked, saw there was a security over the vehicle, and it was to us; also WoF was out of date as was insurance. Security at risk and he will be walking . . . tough!
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June 7, 2021 2:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  igm obviously disagrees with Unity’s comment above:
  
  we MUST stop these racist divisions and just all be New Zealanders.
  
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  June 7, 2021 3:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump giving Fauci the borax. The left just hate it when Trump is winning.
https://rumble.com/vi50p7-trump-fauci-has-been-wrong-on-almost-every-issue.html?
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June 7, 2021 2:45pm
- cha
  
  He’s certainly got his nappies in a knot about something.
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Kk51tX0AAgS6U?format=jpg&name=large
  
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  June 7, 2021 2:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pants on backwards – you are a stupid prick that does not see a photoshopping.
    But then, you are funny, you like this, share it with stupid boy
    
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    June 7, 2021 4:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Did you mean to write ‘Trump is whining’?
  
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  June 7, 2021 3:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bad day for understanding for you Mike.
    Try harder tomorrow please – all at KB will benefit if you try not to be a constant jerk
    
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    June 7, 2021 4:27pm
- MCos
  
  “The left just hate it when Trump is winning.”
  
  The left, plus most of the rest of us, haven’t got that concern anymore.
  Why don’t you apply yourself to something useful instead of spending the day reading dodgy websites that you reference.
  BTW
  Nobody believes your hero is stupid enough to put his strides on backwards. They’re just taking the piss.
  Everyone’s laughing up their sleeve watching the reaction.
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:10pm
ABS4EVA

Where is the Tree Labour Planted?
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June 7, 2021 8:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just over the road and up the hill a bit.
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/frontpage-featured/20201008/green-fingers/
  
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  June 7, 2021 10:22pm
ABS4EVA

Just Because the philippine Army out shoots
the Australian and is now rushing to Army itself
to the Teeth for the upcoming Pacific War

Does not mean they will be on our side

I think they might look after themselves

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/philippines-outlines-defence-budget-increase-for-2021
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