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RRM

School Strike 4 Climate Auckland are disbanding, because they’ve decided they are too white. Only black, Indigenous and persons of Colour should be in charge of “climate justice” activism.

https://www.facebook.com/292824094988658/posts/839239820347080/

This is a fantastic initiative, I hope to see more and more woke lefty causes embrace this.
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June 14, 2021 8:01am
- I remember when
  
  Is that because black, indigenous and persons of colour are more likely to feel the heat.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:47am
- alex Masterley
  
  One of the funniest things I have read in a long time.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:53am
  - RalphT
    
    Poor petals, doesn’t one feel sorry for the wee ones?
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  Started reading this and thought it was a spoof – a piss take. No one could be this stupid for real could they?
  Even in today’s weird world?
  Boring bunch of self obsessed tossers.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:01am
- RockyJ
  
  When you read this you can get a glimpse into the overwhelming self-loathing experienced by young social justice warriors. Pray for them
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:14am
- nathie
  
  So they don’t think that “climate change” is important then, seeing that they now think that “identity politics” is more important?
  
  Or, has the mask slipped, and “climate change” was nothing more than a public front for radicals and subversives pushing “identity politics” down people’s throats?
  
  Looking forward to State radio and TV newsreaders, after they announce this “news”, saying that will also stand-down and leave the industry, due to their “whiteness”!
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:15am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    One thing that struck me watching a school’s climate strike protest down Lambton Quay once, was that every second banner seemed to be a rainbow one…
    
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    June 14, 2021 10:46am
- CaptainCompromise
  
  I’ve often wanted to do a survey amongst people these days asking them “What is a bigger issue in society right now, racism or climate change?”, because I suspect the majority of people have taken so much media medicine on the topic, they believe racism is a bigger issue than the existential threat they believe climate change is.
  
  But this answers it. It’s madness.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  How cool. If we white folk start turning up at every “cause” they’ll cave. I never thought of us as their Kryptonite.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:27am
- Exclamation Mark
  
  I actually LOL’d at this.
  
  A bunch of left wing agitators eating themselves – who could have seen this coming?
  
  Fucking morons.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:34am
- coge
  
  Nobody does precious sanctimony quite like the white middle classes. Although I must say all the climate activism I’ve ever witnessed (mostly small and supervised) have appeared overwhelmingly white bourgeois affairs. If they were pushing any other agenda, they would have been called out long ago. Hopefully they can throw a little class consciousness into the mix as well.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:08am
  - Crisplion
    
    No, they won’t. The left have given up on class, which is odd because it was always their most legitimate argument. But I think the working class turned out to believe a whole lot of things that the left intelligencia don’t approve of, so they had to be cancelled. That’s what’s behind the implosion of the UK Labour Party and, to some extent, Australian Labor party too.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:00am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  The comments alone would make for a fantastic comedy script…
  
  I might apply for some NZ on Air funding, aye
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:09am
  - RoboRob
    
    Read some of the comments. I was stunned at the number of positive comments by those in favour of disbanding. Just crazy.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:21am
- The Feed
  
  I agree – great move, and we can only hope all prog-left organisations embrace this bold move and be deeply ashamed of their previous wrong-think.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:15am
- graham
  
  Some of the comments on the post are fantastic, they’re even funnier than the post itself!
  
  And to think these are the people telling us “oldies” to step aside, our day has gone, it’s THEIR time now and we’re on the wrong side of history … etc. And they expect us to take them seriously?!
  
  Thanks for posting this RRM. Seriously, this has made my day!
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:34am
- David Garrett
  
  Surely this cannot be serious?
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:51am
  - Cobolt24
    
    It’s real. I’ve seen articles also criticising masculinity for climate change.
    Keep in mind this is the average green voter.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:22am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It is serious. And don’t call me Shirley.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:41am
    - sooty
      
      What about Karen!
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:01pm
  - edhunter
    
    Scary DG, Martin Bradbury said the same thing.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:20pm
    - RRM
      
      Bradbury said
      “The identity politics cult would eat their own young if they weren’t all vegan.”
      
      ? I quite like that.
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:49pm
- Cobolt24
  
  I can’t believe this isn’t satire but good, I don’t want
  Where did terms such as ‘BIPOC’ and other similar ones come from anyway? I didn’t hear of them even a few years ago. I suspect too many of them are reading into American social issues and importing this silliness here. After all what percentage of the population is black (ie; of African descent) ? They have to be lumped in with Middle East and South Americans in the census. Accurately representing them there still would be very little in the crowd.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:57am
  - Crisplion
    
    You suspect correctly Cobolt.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Calling Maori black would cause offense too.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:46pm
- oldfella
  
  Yes, I also thought it was a piss-take, but credit where it’s due.
  I think these kids are just ahead of the curve in paying homage to something I learned about from Yvette on yesterday’s GD: ‘TE AO MAORI’.
  The Māori world view (te ao Māori) acknowledges the interconnectedness and interrelationship of all living and non-living things (https://ourlandandwater.nz/about-us/te-ao-maori/ ) which Yvette pointed out also dominates the Climate Change Commission’s Report.
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have read it. I think you will find it is a joke. How can this be serious:
  
  “SS4C AKL has avoided, ignored, and tokenised BIPOC voices and demands, especially those of Pasifika and Māori individuals in the climate activism space. As well as this, the responsibility and urgent need to decolonise the organisation has been put off for far too long.”
  
  They need to “decolonise” their climate change activist group?
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:33am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  Surely this is a pisstake?
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:09pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  “Are you the Judean peoples Front?”
  
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  June 14, 2021 1:02pm
- curry4me
  
  RRM: Yes, best laugh I’ve had for a while.
  
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  June 14, 2021 6:57pm
Happychappy

Heather do Plessis-Allan : Wokesters learning the hard way about coal usage.
Do you know what I am loving today, the wokesters learning the hard way of the meaning of the phrase ‘ unintended consequences ‘.
It turns out we are burning coal at a rate we haven’t seen before for a long time. In just the last 3 months of the year we have burned more coal than the whole of 2016-2017 combined, and by the way
… any of those greenies regret we are not using New Zealand coal at Huntly.
Because we were importing cobalt a rate of 1.1 million tons last year, if we were using a coal … you would only have to get it out of the ground, ship it up the country to Huntly and have a relatively small carbon foot print. Instead we are shipping it from Indonesia which means Hugh emissions even getting it here.
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June 14, 2021 8:06am
- Happychappy
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/video/heather-du-plessis-allan-wokesters-are-learning-the-hard-way-about-coal-usage/
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:35am
  - I remember when
    
    Newshub: Menendez March: ‘We could be sued.’
    “More broadly – what we’re going to be seeing is a higher cost of electricity bills as a result of a changing climate.”
    “The problem we currently have is that some of our electricity generation is because of coal>”
    “I do think the Labour Party does need to do more to ensure electricity is 100% renewable.”
    
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    June 14, 2021 8:53am
    - sooty
      
      I thought in the old days the coalmine was just out the back gate!
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:04pm
    - crikey
      
      The time will come – if NZers truly value environmental ‘cleanliness’ (rivers not dammed, skylines not obtruded by chains of windmills), and if they value energy efficiency – for nuclear power with modern, small-scale reactors sited close to key usage points.
      
      Safety is no longer the issue for nuclear. Labour’s inanity in the 1980s about US nuclear-powered ships, backed up by Lange’s grandstanding at the Oxford Union debate, has much to answer for in shaping an aversion here to nuclear power.
      
      Furthermore, if you want to use the cost of nuclear power to refute the comments above, perhaps you would like to include a beneficial cost of retaining clean rivers and skylines.
      
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      June 14, 2021 4:54pm
- Fletch
  
  As always, liberals don’t think anything through. They put into practice something that sounds good without looking at the entire picture. Everything is based on ideology and common sense is left out.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:12am
- CaptainCompromise
  
  I’m sure the Indonesians are taking every environmental protection possible and would never exploit people of colour in extracting the coal.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:29am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Electric cars are coal-powered cars.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:48am
- The Feed
  
  Noting “unintended” about it. Obvious to everyone who isn’t a woke left halfwit.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:27am
mikenmildagain

Happy World Blood Donor Day!
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June 14, 2021 8:07am
- Exclamation Mark
  
  Give blood every chance you can get people.
  
  Chances are, one day you or someone you love will be in hospital getting a transfusion they need to keep them alive and you will be incredibly thankful for it.
  
  Be a good bastard and donate before you or your loved ones need it.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:17am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Would if they’d let me.
    In the UK in the 80’s
    No cheap jokes about mad cows please.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:46am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Me too.
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:59pm
      - Aliog
        
        Don’t you mean ‘Moo too’?
        
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        June 14, 2021 9:22pm
  - BeeJay
    
    We used to donate regularly, but because we were living in the UK during the 80s the NZ Blood Service will no longer accept blood from us, or from anyone else who lived/worked in the UK during the 80s!
    Why? We might have been exposed to Mad Cow disease!
    (I’ve often said to my wife “they didn’t need to talk about you like that!”)
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:54am
    - Bob
      
      I’ve often said…
      Bejay your wife must have a very understanding sense of humour, since you have been able to survive her wrath and recomment.
      
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      June 14, 2021 11:57am
  - Pharmachick
    
    My mother was a baby donor (O neg, CMV neg) and would often get called by the local hospital if they were running low – she’d occasionally donate 2 units if they were really short. Not anymore – 1980s UK meat eater…
    
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    June 14, 2021 1:00pm
[email protected]

Please share what your favorite news source is.
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June 14, 2021 8:09am
- [email protected]
  
  So no answers yet. What do you think of Aljazeera?
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:32pm
Yabster

From Hobsons Pledge:

Speeding up the coastal give-away
The expected time to transfer the entire coast of New Zealand to small groups of people with Maori ancestry will reduce from 100 years to 30 years after Treaty Negotiations Minister Andrew Little caved in to pressure from the Waitangi Tribunal.

The Tribunal criticised insufficient funding for claimants, lack of policy and strategy by the Government, and lack of progress.

Little intends to create a three-step process of initial engagement; research and evidence gathering; and determination and recognition, which would either be considered by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations or the High Court. See New strategy

Bear in mind there is no funding to represent 85 percent of New Zealanders who must stand by and helplessly watch the massive give-away.

Neither is there funding for an appeal against the error-ridden Churchman judgement that allowed a claim for a strip of Bay of Plenty coast based on legal double-speak that regarded occupation interrupted by land confiscation as “shared exclusivity”.

Our petition which asks Parliament to amend the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011 to restore public ownership of the coastal area, put all claims through the High Court, and repeal customary marine title, while affirming customary rights has picked up more than 35,800 signatures. We need your support. The petition may be signed at https://www.change.org/beaches4all

Coastal fast-track another step for He Puapua?
Treaty Negotiations Minister Andrew Little’s coastal give-away fast-track looks like yet another step in the progress of the He Puapua plan to set up two governments under a tribal monitoring committee. The other steps are:

The abolition of the right of local communities to hold binding referenda on Maori wards.
Forcing Maori language and culture onto government departments and local authorities, while the state-funded media lace news with separatist propaganda.
Replacing English names of places, streets, towns, buildings, and government agencies with Maori names. Even the nation’s name “New Zealand” is being changed by stealth.
Setting up a separate Maori Health Authority with veto rights over the entire health system.
Transferring ownership of the conservation estate to private tribal entities, as recommended by the Options Development Group.
Imposing 50-50 council-tribal control over water through the Three Waters Reform.
Imposing a revised history curriculum that looks more like Maori studies, which intends to indoctrinate our children about the evils of colonisation.
Our petition against the segregated governments plan has picked up more than 7700 signatures. If you have not done so already, click here to sign it Reject co-governance

Fashion, colonization, and hysteria
When National Party MP Paul Goldsmith unfashionably remarked, last Tuesday, that colonisation benefited Maori, the howls of outrage from some Maori MPs were hysterical, and quaint, considering their generous salaries and perks courtesy of the coloniser system are proof of advantage.

Former Labour Cabinet Minister Michael Bassett, a professional historian, did the best smack-down.

After noting that Goldsmith is a first-class honours graduate in history with a number of well researched books to his credit, and after referring to Peeni Henare and Willie Jackson as “two of the weaker minds in our ministry”, he said that a disturbing aspect of the attacks is that far too many of his National colleagues seem to be siding with Henare and Jackson’s twaddle. See Colonisation gave Maori cause for hope?

Conservative commentator Cam Slater joined the debate when he created a fictitious dialogue between a Debbie, a Rawiri, Hone, Ngahiwi, and a Rangi which ended with Debbie being forced to concede that the British brought peace, along with sanitation, medicine, education, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, the Treaty and public health. See What did the British ever do for us?
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June 14, 2021 8:11am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  See Monty Pythons “what did the romans ever do for us?”.
  “The aqueduct?”
  “Sanitation?”
  “Peace?”
  “Medicine?”
  “Education?”
  “Wine?”
  “Public health?”
  “Roads?”
  “Public order?”
  “Irrigation?”
  OK, but apart from those, what else?
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:30am
  - sooty
    
    The Benefit!
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Taxes
    
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    June 14, 2021 4:32pm
Simon

Why are National so useless? So fucking useless. The real opposition can sometimes be found in ACT but rarely National.

Its because National are chasing the sheep vote. The sheep vote that went for Labo in 2020. National want that sheep vote real bad.
But National cant out narrative Labo when it comes to sheep.

National waiting for the interest rates to rise and then the sheep will start bleating. Until then they will remain useless. Forever part of the Neolib Labo/National axis of stupidity.
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June 14, 2021 8:14am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  They are pretty much identical to the useless GOP in the States, which raises the question: who will be the NZ version of Trump that everyone wants? (and if you don’t want or see the need for a “Trump” then you are part of the problem and may as well be a Labour voter). There is a reason they only got 20 odd % last time – themselves and their policies. It’s not “the board” or “the chairman” – it’s basically every last one of them. If they aren’t going to lift a finger, they may as well piss off.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:24am
  - curry4me
    
    Fidel Cashflow: The GOP is turning into the GOPP. Grand Old Patriot Party. RINOs are being primaries, and long held dem seats are falling.
    
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    June 14, 2021 7:02pm
- Bob
  
  Simon, if you really are honestly worried about NZ’s future; join the National Party as an active member. Then you will be informed as to what National is planning and thinking; primarily how are they going to rescue NZ from the plunge down the cliff of economic mediocrity, lifestyles of bare existence.
  You certainly won’t learn anything constructive about National Party plans if you are waiting for enlightenment from any of our MSM.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:56am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Don’t be silly, Bob! Simon is one of those single-issue nutjobs who who only ever posts on one topic – very few variations of “National are useless”.
    
    Clearly he’s uninterested, or incapable, of doing anything about it. Much easier to snipe from the sidelines ad infinitum.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:47am
- Happychappy
  
  Simon you make laugh as you vote against National for your own selfish reasons and continually slag them off on this blog and then expect them to listen to your drivel.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  $105 M bribe gets in the way of truthful communication. Does it also bring out the Ardern apologists?
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:49pm
Luke Piewalker

If the climate emergency is really a matter of ‘life and death’ then as of today the rule should be ALL government paid staff / council staff are not allowed to use their cars to go to work.

You must either go by bus / bike/ walk.

This includes you Cindy / Rod Carr / James Shaw.

If you don’t then you are just a big FAKE.
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June 14, 2021 8:15am
- nathie
  
  True … but apparently a secret memo to Cindy from Jimmy Shaw has been discovered – he is seeking an exemption to allow him to continue to collect more air-mile points when overseas travel resumes. He says he will plant another tree in his friend’s garden (as he lives in an inner city apartment) to off-set the CO2 he is contributing to.
  
  Seriously though, Rodd Carr can go and take a hike!
  
  (And I mean that literally, not figuratively, oh wait is it the other way around)!
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:24am
Simon

Basically Labo/ Greens dont want poor people to drive cars. Its “life & deaf” get onto the trains little sheep “we have got this”

Once this bull shit is in place next will be the middle class.
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June 14, 2021 8:15am
- fisho
  
  Lefty politicians hate cars because:
  Car = personal freedom.
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:48am
igm

Wellington now has a new suburb, “Kandilla”.
This is according to a reader on ZB . . . best he take less time on maori pronunciation and realise there are other more important langauges used in New Zealand!
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June 14, 2021 8:17am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s about time that more new streets and suburbs be given non-English and non-Te Reo names.
  How about some Chinese names for new parks and suburbs to more closely reflect the culture of the local residents?
  Instead of “Green Hills” why not name it “Midori-gaoka” (“Green Hills” in Japanese.)
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:20am
Bloody Dago

Any chance the NZ Communist Party can interpret this:
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Delivers-Crushing-Blow-To-Wind-Solar-Power.html.
Meanwhile, the CCP are building coalfired power stations:
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree
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June 14, 2021 8:17am
RW Capitalist

Am I a bit sick?
An add on TV stated (looking for donations)
“One NZer has a stroke every 45 min.
All I could think was….”poor bastard”.
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June 14, 2021 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Reminds me of a sign I saw once. it read ““Somewhere in the world a woman is having a baby every ten seconds. She must be found and stopped!”
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:57am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Apparently, in the early 20th century an add in a news paper (remember those….do they still have them?)
    “Bath wanted, for baby with a tin bottom.”
    Isn’t English punctuation great.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:44am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  “A stroke every 45 mins”? That sounds like almost any 15 year old male.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:05am
- bennerg
  
  Or when Bono in a concert said “every time I clap my hands a baby dies in the USA” … a concert go’er then piped up “then stop clapping yer evil barstard”.
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:06am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yes agreed. Sounds like the slowest wank ever.
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:48am
- fisho
  
  Must have forearms like Popeye!
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:49am
RW Capitalist

An appropriate response to this film about dear old Jacinda.

A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.

Francois de La Rochefoucauld
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June 14, 2021 8:23am
- Sacha
  
  “dear old Jacinda”
  Hmmm. I don’t think that will go down well, it has a distinct ring of being ‘past it’.
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:57pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Past it???? She couldn’t get along side it.
    OH sorry misspelling…my bad.
    Still applies.
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:53pm
Frank the tank

With the cycle bridge: deliberate congestion strategies by NZ transport (can’t be fucked saying the Maori dribble name); and now subsidization of woketardmobiles in the Wellington beltway and Grey Lynn we can safely say “they are us” has changed to “we are not them”

Moreover I don’t hold my breath that the sheeple realize they are being fucked over with a 12″ dildo and no lube.
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June 14, 2021 8:27am
- MCos
  
  Couldn’t possibly comment, Frank.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:58am
Maggie Pie

My partner is involved in sourcing and importing luxury motor vehicles for a select group of clients. He was saying word round the Viaduct, is that this entire Labor / Greens ‘EV Feebate’, and additional taxes on new petrol & diesel vehicles, is nothing more than a personal vendetta against Mike Hosking.
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June 14, 2021 8:28am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That would be a sound policy.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:31am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    When I lived in Khandallah Mike, I thought it would be a good idea to have the Hutt Valley walled off from the rest of Welly. But my neighbour reckoned he had a better idea, and being a partner in an accounting firm, did the cost benefit analysis (which was overwhelmingly positive to other Wellingtonians). He reckoned that the Hutt Valley should be bulldozed to the ground, made into farmland again so the rest of us could have a pleasant drive out there. The evicted would all be shifted to Wainuiomata, where they would all be more at home.
    
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    June 14, 2021 1:05pm
    - Batman
      
      The worst kind of Khandallah snobs, in other words.
      
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      June 14, 2021 1:22pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Time for a movement?
  “I am Mike Hosking”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCmyiljKo0
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:34am
- MCos
  
  In his dreams.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:34am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the one thing Marxist Greens won’t be able to prevent, and that is the acute electricity shortage that is coming. Indonesia, if they are business savvy, will hike the coal prices that we import from them. Power cuts are a definite way to piss consumers off big time because the whole country is affected, renters included. The next down the list are EV users because their useage is not essential to the ‘necessities of life’. Power companies even now are struggling to supply new build houses and winter in most of the country hasn’t even started.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:49am
nathie

Day 4 of the Ardern Film controversy and despite weasel words each day since from her, she still cannot utter the words “I would prefer for this movie NOT to go ahead, especially if the narrative is based around me”.

Because the film is primarily about her, she can is “allowed” to say that.

From today’s NZHerald: “It’s not for me to tell people what they can and cannot do in the film making community.”

Ardern continues to insult the Muslim community as she doesn’t wish to get off-side with her luuvie supporters in the film and entertainment industry – see how these people, who craft and amplify her public image, are more important to her than the victims of an atrocity.

Not a good look – it can only be deliberate!
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June 14, 2021 8:28am
- nathie
  
  So stand-by for some other random “feel good” govt announcement today … like yesterday’s selective tax on petrol cars in favor of EV’s – again another example of putting her luuvie supporters ahead of normal everyday (low income/tradies/farming) NZ’ers and basically insulting and denigrating them, yet again!
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes agree. The government should not be banning films. But she should say I wish they would not do it and I find it embarrassing and offensive.
  
  TBH I would much rather see an in depth documentary about Brenton Tarrant. I totally disagree with the PM saying we should never speak his name. It is important that we understand how such people are formed so we can watch out for new ones.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:53am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    Why would they want people to understand anything? They don’t want people to know what motivated him, just that he is “evil.”
    
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    June 14, 2021 10:27am
  - Steve Todd
    
    I totally disagree with the PM saying we should never speak his name.
    
    The prime minister has only ever said, back in March 2019, that she will never speak his name.
    
    She has never suggested that the rest of us shouldn’t, either.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:37pm
    - crikey
      
      Don’t be so naive. Ardern would undoubtedly have known, because of her position as prime minister, that others would follow her example. It’s called the power of suggestion.
      
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      June 14, 2021 5:05pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I responded to Benedict’s incorrect statement. The “power of suggestion” has nothing to do with it. How can “I will never speak his name” be interpreted, by anyone, as “And nor should you speak his name, either”?
        
        A question for you, crikey: If Bill English had still been the prime minister in March 2019, and he had said, in parliament, “I am so appalled at what happened last Friday, that I say now, I will never speak the killer’s name, ever!”, would you now be putting forward the notion that the power of his statement would result in the (entire) populace not speaking his name, as well? Of course, you wouldn’t.
        
        You are putting forward your “power of suggestion” proposition, because you oppose this government, and particularly the current prime minister. And, by extension, you are suggesting the people who support the prime minister are simple-minded, and therefore prone to suggestion.
        
        What utter nonsense! Be off with you, you ridiculous creature.
        
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        June 14, 2021 6:50pm
      - doggone7
        
        The application of the power of suggestion is important. Ardern saying whatever she said was an example to be followed.
        
        Saying “hydroxychloroquine” wasn’t an example thing, or not wearing a mask. Nor of course talking about taking a stroll down the road to the Congress on a particular January day
        
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        June 14, 2021 7:41pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It is not unreasonable if someone wishes to make a movie featuring a living person to expect that person to first consent and be on guard against the consequences.
    There isn’t legal freedom of expression in regard to third parties. Cinders lawyers could tell them to “watch it”.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A narcissist would never find it embarrassing or offensive – more a compliment
    
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    June 14, 2021 4:38pm
- Akarak
  
  The best thing to do is to boycott any theatre showing this obscenity.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:26am
  - oldfella
    
    Akarak, can you imagine the protests outside any theatre that tried to show this film?
    Muslims may belong to the so-called Religion of Peace, but so did the gunmen who found Charlie Hebdo unacceptable.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:55am
    - sooty
      
      Maybe the police can stand outside every picture theater, armed with their guns, while the movie is showing!
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Don’t think the Police have guns now, they handed them in to set an example
        
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        June 14, 2021 4:39pm
- Clyde
  
  When you delve into the weasel words that St Jacinda has been uttering round this movie, she has never said categorically that she didn’t know about the plans to make the movie, or was involved in any pre-production discussions. What she said was that she wasn’t involved in the “production” which hasn’t started yet. Methinks she is dancing on the head of a pin.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:08am
  - zulumonster
    
    Now quoted in Stuff as “Ardern said she had not been contacted about the film, *until shortly before* its production plans surfaced.”
    Looks like it is on shaky ground now with the producer pulling the plug on her involvement …
    
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    June 14, 2021 1:03pm
- Local Miller
  
  I can’t believe for a second that Ardern hasn’t been consulted on this film. It is impossible that they didn’t approach her to get approval to represent her in film, and get approval for Rose Byrne to play the part. This is simply not done, and it may in fact be illegal to represent a living person in film without their permission. This is why fiction film has a disclaimer about “not being real people”.
  Since the film makers have expressly said Rose will play Ardern, they must have approval.
  Any legal people who can clarify the legal status of this?
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:02am
  - bennerg
    
    I’m more cynical than you. The film industry is greatly indebted to Labour, and this is a way for a massive political party broadcast, using huge tax payer funds to employ a kiwi but Hollywood based screenwriter, and a high profile actress.
    
    What better way to reward the princess bride (to be).
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:11am
  - Flossie
    
    There are quite a few living persons in The Crown and I’m ready to bet they didn’t give permission to be represented on film!
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      Irrelevant comparison.
      
      This movie would be impossible without ardern’s full support alowing access to diaries and images that are not part of the public domain.
      
      “The Crown” happily acknowledges that they are presenting fiction, in case you missed that bit.
      
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      June 14, 2021 3:50pm
  - Graham Sharpe
    
    Apparently Rose Byrne voiced Jemima Puddleduck in “Peter Rabbit”. Sounds ideal for her to portray our PM.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “Jemima” spoke english, ardern … not so much.
      
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      June 14, 2021 3:50pm
- pussycat
  
  Look, the only way this movie is going to be a success is to turn it into a musical! Say a cross between Mamma Mia and Westside Story. The feelgood factor along with the tragic drama. Lots of singing and dancing etc. what could go wrong?
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:44am
  - oldfella
    
    pussycat, there is this to consider if turning it into a musical…
    ‘While moderate Muslims generally don’t object to music and dancing per se, a large portion of the faithful view sexually suggestive movement, racy lyrics, and unmarried couples dancing together as haram, because they may lead to un-Islamic behavior.’
    Of course musical theatre does have a very high percentage of LGBT performers, but I’m sure that would be overlooked. /s
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:00pm
    - pussycat
      
      well, its not about them (Muslims) its our princess who is front and centre. They could just be in the chorus, though high kicks in a hijab could be a bit tricky?
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:45pm
      - Sacha
        
        How about tap-dancing, to cover the sounds of bullets flying?
        I personally think that such a film would be a fizzer. There is no plot that could be used to create a box-office success.
        The script – well the opening sequence would logically be of the PM and Police discussing, and enacting, the changes in gun legislation which allowed Tarrant to arm himself without proper scrutiny and character references.
        Or, more likely, the opening sequence would be a long slow zoom in to show the PM in her scarf, embracing, with loving sorrow, one or more of the bereaved. At which time I would stop watching because that is the whole story really.
        
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        June 14, 2021 1:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “the PM in her scarf, embracing, with loving sorrow, one or more of the bereaved”
        
        With one eye clearly fixed on the camera …….
        
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        June 14, 2021 3:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You left out “audience vomiting” …….
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:51pm
Simon

Low Ro vaxx participation rates in Japan.

Japan is one of the finest countries in the world for good reason.
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June 14, 2021 8:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ref: https://toyokeizai.net/sp/visual/tko/covid19/en.html
  
  See the chart “Tested Positive By Age” right side, third down. Off the people tested positive, the death rate has been very low for the 50s age groups on down.
  Also bear in mind that the “50s” group includes people aged up to 59. If male, many will be lifelong smokers. A significant number of this group will have comorbidities such as hypertension, pre-diabetes or diabetes, or be on immune-suppressing medication due to other medical complaints.
  In the 40s cohort, of the 109, 862 positive cases, only 95 have died (and we don’t know their pre-existing conditions). That’s a death rate of 95/109,862 which is 0.086%. How is this different from a typical “bad” year of influenza of a couple of years ago?
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:28am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  They are smart enough to know that they don’t need it.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:36am
  - oldfella
    
    Fidel, I disagree with you, I’ve had my first shot without any issues, and am booked for my second. But I found this interesting.
    As the number of people fully immunized against COVID-19 rises into the hundreds of millions, immunologists and infectious disease experts now are pondering a new question in the unfolding pandemic.
    Namely, how long will vaccine immunity last, and will people who’ve gotten the jab need booster shots to maintain their protection?
    It’s an important question, as waning immunity in the face of more powerful COVID-19 variants could cause future infection surges and, in worst-case scenarios, a full-blown return of quarantines and lockdowns, experts say.
    https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/06/12/coronavirus-researchers-unsure-vaccine-boosters/1021623446300/
    No worries, Ayoteearower. Cindy will have this one covered. She’s the Covid Queen after all, and we picked her because she saved 80,000 of us last time.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:04pm
Paulus

You all got it wrong I had this morning from the Minister (ex Unionist) that it is a Fee not a Tax,
How silly for us to think otherwise !
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June 14, 2021 8:31am
- nathie
  
  Perhaps Michael Wood has been receiving advice from his electorate neighbour, Labour “tax expert” Deborah Russell, on how to obfuscate!
  
  (Google taxes versus fees etc … although technically they are distinct, depending on they are used it’s a very thin line to tread)!
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:37am
- burt
  
  Of course it’s a fee not a tax, just like deducting finance costs is a tax loophole.
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:03pm
Bobba Fret

I think Labour just lost one of their voters.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/125398527/coroner-issues-huffing-warning-following-death-of-teen-in-deodorant-fireball
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June 14, 2021 8:31am
- Rich Prick
  
  The obligatory pidgin gibberish is sprinkled through that nonsense. As a result, I’m less inclined to care about kids shooting up deodorant.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:51am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  And the Darwin Award goes to ….
  
  Systemic racism claims another one.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:01am
cmm

“It’s not for me to tell people what they can and cannot do in the film making community.”

Errr, but you do through hand outs to the movie industry.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-attack-movie-jacinda-ardern-says-they-are-us-too-soon-too-raw-for-nz/NV3OMYIREPR2OET6YLYX6N7QL4/
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June 14, 2021 8:32am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A possible reaction
  Get a couple of thousand people to queue up for a ticket, to only turn and walk away.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:36am
  - artemisia
    
    Flash mobs rule Ok.
    
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    June 14, 2021 8:56am
    - sooty
      
      Why, waste buying a ticket! Just don’t go!
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:29pm
      - artemisia
        
        Queue. Reach the front. Do a happy dance. Wave bye bye. No purchase required.
        
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        June 14, 2021 1:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The Herald piece sounds very worrying to me.
  With poet Mohamed coming out and accusing the movie industry of erasing the Muslim community from the narrative, maybe they need to think about what happened when Charlie Hebdo courted controversy 🙁
  
  Just saying.
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:49am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    There is no shortage of sympathy for the Muslims, which is why I don’t care if they were to become the focal point: neither Ardern or the Muslims need to be elevated any further in the public consciousness. Muslim terrorist acts are still far and away more prevalent per capita than those perpetrated by White males.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:39am
  - tui47
    
    It is not about Muslims being erased from the narrative. I don’t think any of the Muslim community understand that Jacinda is now only interested in the tragedy to promote herself. Yes, in the beginning she went in with good intentions, but once the international acclaim started she realised what a PR opportunity it was for her. It is about glorifying Jacinda Ardern for her and the NZ producers. The Kiwi producer has just pulled out of the film, Simon Wilson will be so disappointed. All he has to look forward to is continuing to act as mouthpiece in the NZ Herald for Phil Goff and his anti car transportation ideology! Pleasing Goff is not as much fun as pleasing Jacinda!
    
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    June 14, 2021 2:15pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Does the Government pick and choose which films get funding, or does everybody who applies for it get it? What are the criteria?
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Check here:
    https://www.nzfilm.co.nz/funding-and-support/funding-overview/what-we-fund
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:28am
    - Akarak
      
      “We invest in feature films for the big screen that entertain audiences and are recognised and celebrated all over the world. Our investment in film develops careers and attracts international business to help drive our economy.”
      Well this film certainly wouldn’t qualify!
      
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      June 14, 2021 9:34am
      - Tall Man
        
        “help drive our economy”
        
        Oh you silly fellow, of course it will help drive our economy, further down the toilet by enhancing ardern’s false reputation.
        
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        June 14, 2021 3:43pm
- Akarak
  
  Once again she uses the Sergeant Schultz defence.
  “I know nothink!’ Which when you think of it is a truism.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Og course she knows nothing but if you believe her and her media advisors were not the drivers of this whole venture then please see below ……
    
    https://wallsdesk.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Brooklyn-Bridge-Photos.jpg
    
    Please express your interest in the above here, fine bridge almost brand new …..
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:45pm
- MCos
  
  The Film Commission, as I understand, decides who gets what if it’s a local production otherwise there’s a tax incentive of some sort.
  If a government wanted to pick & choose individual political winners and losers they would run into all sorts of strife. Otherwise they could defund the lot and kill it that way.
  The Thai government refused to allow a film version of The King & I to be shot in Thailand in 1999. It was called Anna & the King & had to be shot in Malaysia.
  The point was it was still made.
  If this movie gets the cold shoulder here & the producers think it’s worthwhile it’ll be shot elsewhere.
  Hollywood is not shy when it comes to a little explotation.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:41am
G152

Going to cost liebor and the greens.
Just wait for those queues at ‘recharging stations’ and 5km crawling traffic when some-ones $3000 windfall runs out of charge.
Or supermarkets out of groceries because trucks run out of range or load limits are exceeded.
And remember it was the Liebor / Greens coalition that brought the country to this
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June 14, 2021 8:34am
JibberJabber

Why can’t we have Politicians like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLWVPwi65Cs

Humour and reality and cold hard facts.
Grant Robertson a classic example of the Law of Fatal conceit mentioned.
Vicky thought she was oh so clever and then got reality checked hard, as did the Spanish sheila.?
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June 14, 2021 8:38am
Simon

Inventor of mRNA vaccines and RNA as a drug, Bench to Bedside vaccines and biologics consulting.

What happens to confidence in public health and USG if ivermectin turns out to be safe and effective for COVID, and the genetic vaccines turn out to have signficant safety issues? This looks like a very plausible scenario from where I sit.

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1403836354098872322
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June 14, 2021 8:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

I think Israel Adesanya’s message to Jacinda Ardern will fall on deaf ears:

“If someone walks up to someone who is doing nothing – be it an old man or an old lady or whatever – and blind shots them from the back, give them 20 years, standard.

“Because that’s assault with a deadly weapon,” Adesanya said as he held his fist up.

“I don’t want to get angry, I don’t want to get political but I expect better from the Government of New Zealand.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/combat-sports/125429515/ufc-263-israel-adesanya-issues-challenge-to-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-over-coward-punch-laws
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June 14, 2021 8:40am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I’m not sure why people think there is a need fora specific law to deal with one kind of attack. Depending on the circumstances, isn’t it covered by existing laws on assault, aggravated assault, manslaughter or murder?
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:05am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It may or may not be. But introducing a specific law relating to causing death by a coward punch gives clarity, especially for juries.
    
    How many murderers get away with a manslaughter conviction because their lawyer muddies the waters?
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      What next? Specific laws for causing death by knife, baseball bat, gun, poison, etc, etc?
      
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      June 14, 2021 9:21am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Death penalty for ALL deliberate acts of violence, causing death, that have ABSOLUTE proof of the perpetrator.
      
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      June 14, 2021 9:38am
    - Nickc2
      
      Blind justice and scales of evidence are IMO abstract concepts that were outdated decades ago. Today, justice, or probably more importantly lack thereof is governed by who can afford the better lawyer.
      
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      June 14, 2021 9:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I wonder why some States in Australia deemed it necessary to have a specific law for this cowardly and often lethal behaviour.
    
    https://onepunchlaw.weebly.com/
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:25am
    - Nickc2
      
      It was a public outcry led by a Radio Talkback Host. There was a spate of these ‘king hit’ killings going on at the time and I remember the Shock Jock playing these tragedies for all they were worth. Anything to enhance ratings and thus advertising revenue.
      
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      June 14, 2021 10:01am
  - Fidel Cashflow
    
    mike, you are right. A large problem is the piss weak liberal judiciary.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:30am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because judges and juries have proven incapable of using their judgement to properly punish these killers. Sometimes you have to handhold those people to ensure they give the correct penalties.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:33am
    - Flossie
      
      Do NZ juries have any say in penalties? I would have thought not.
      
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      June 14, 2021 11:06am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        No, but they do have a say on intent etc that does drive down penalties.
        
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        June 14, 2021 11:33am
nathie

So what will be the unintended consequences of Labour’s new Selective Tax they implemented yesterday? By interfering with the “market” will the cost of second hand petrol cars increase in price (eg if people migrate from ute’s back to cars)?

Further causing financial stress and strain on low income households and the poor?

Not saying they should, but notice how Labour isn’t taxing SUV’s (the ones that are used to drop kids off to school in), which probably includes a fair chunk of their middle-class urban supporters?

I hope I’m totally wrong and out of the ball park with these comments … but that’s surely the perception Labour is giving isn’t it?
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June 14, 2021 8:43am
I remember when

Commentators at the Waratahs v Chiefs match when there is a TMO referral before Chief’s player gets a yellow card – ‘you’re having a laugh’.
A head clash – and to be fair a good proportion of HIAs are head clashes.
The question is – why is it always the defensive player who gets the card.
Close observation shows that in most cases it is the attacking player who decides the point of contact.
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June 14, 2021 8:43am
rjay

Hard to accept that Jacindas partner, well known broadcaster , ClarkE, did not chat with Simon Wilson’s wife, well known broadcaster Philippa Campbell who is associate producer of Jacinda:The Movie (They are Us). Reassuring to know there is no pillow talk in Premier House.
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June 14, 2021 8:45am
JibberJabber

Cactus!
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/

Simon Wilson the notorious NZ Herald Cycling Tsar would have known about this forever. If the dim have not worked out by now, those of us on the right who pity Simon Wilson as a leftie lycra cuck now know that his missus Philippa Campbell is a producer on the film. Yes, say the name. The NZ on Air funding claims are SHAMELESS. Of even more humour was that a shocked and horrified leftie informed me!

You know the little kiddie that asked Jacinda, “will I be safe now?””.

Make him the star not the “white woman”. It would end all the controversy. Simple re-write for those skilled enough. Find the boy and do it. Should not be hard for you with a red button to the 9th floor. This is the only way to save the movie.

Because we all know the little boy from Kilbirnie is a work of FICTION.
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June 14, 2021 8:54am
Tony Stuart

Kudos to DPF for asking a very pertinent question:

Dear Jacinda Ardern,

Under the Official Information Act I am requesting details of any communications (phone calls, texts, e-mails, letters or other communications) between any staff members in the Office of the Prime Minister and either Philippa Campbell or Andrew Niccol.

The time period I am seeking information for is from March 2019 to today.

I am not seeking the details of any communications (if they exist), merely the following:

* The number of communications with either Ms Campbell or Mr Niccol (sent or received)
* The dates of any communications
* The medium of any communication – phone, text, e-mail etc

Yours faithfully,

David Farrar

https://fyi.org.nz/request/15777-communications-with-staff#incoming-59161
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June 14, 2021 8:59am
- Yabster
  
  Cindy has bought into her huge PR team spin- “a movie about me? yes Andrew that would be fantastic!”- international fame- UN here i come….
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:17am
  - lifesgood
    
    Last time I looked at change.org the petition against the making of this movie was at more than 57,000 and that is in just a couple of days. Seems quite a few people don’t approve.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:35am
    - sooty
      
      Cindy’s popularity was waning, so they released the bridge!
      Waned even more, so they released the movie!
      Waned even more, so what will they do next!
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Lower the voting age???
        
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        June 14, 2021 4:45pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Apologise for the Dawn Raids?
        
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        June 14, 2021 9:55pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      It’ll be a mix of Muslim people who don’t want their pain revisited (fair enough), and right wing nut jobs who are petrified of the Prime Minister being celebrated in any way.
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:57pm
      - Yabster
        
        muttonturd- how about it just is NZers of all make ups thatt can see its just a dumb unethical idea- surely even you can see that?
        
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        June 14, 2021 1:36pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Right, let’s keep those ‘celebrations’ rolling in then…
        
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        June 14, 2021 1:43pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        I didn’t see many names of definite white supremacy when I signed the petition – then again, maybe they’ve infiltrated us…
        
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        June 14, 2021 4:00pm
    - curry4me
      
      lifesgood: I signed it. Anything to annoy Socialist Cindy.
      
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      June 14, 2021 7:36pm
- Happychappy
  
  This could be a pivotal moment in Jacinda Arderns career she will have to make sure that herself and those that work for her are squeaky clean on any communications that have or were in the pipeline over this as lies will be hard to cover up and with people already upset over the near billion dollar being allocated for a cycling and walking Bridge instead of setting the nurses wage rise she could find herself in deep shit with nowhere to hide.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What next may well be supermarket price inflation. It’s getting worse by the day.
    
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    June 14, 2021 1:05pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  TRENDING…
  
  The film is likely to spark considerable interest at the ‘Cannes Market’ later THIS month……
  
  https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/rose-byrne-jacinda-ardern-andrew-niccol-cannes-they-are-us-new-zealand-mosque-shooting-1234965908/
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:31am
- Muttonbird
  
  You’ll be relieved it’s been ‘cancelled’.
  
  What happened to free speech? Only when it suits you, eh?
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:54pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Hmmm, not sure if shameless deification counts as free speech…
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:56pm
- Cactus Kate
  
  David however is too kind to include Simon Wilson in that OIA.
  
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  June 16, 2021 1:30am
SB2

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Surely “ They are us” is an immortal phrase in the same tradition as General MacArthur ” I shall return” and the mighty Julius Caesar’s “ I came.I saw , I conquered “ Surelyhis is what the real hysterics are about over the proposed movie.
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June 14, 2021 9:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No,
  it is a nasty example of identifying one group of people as different from the rest of the population.
  
  It is offensive.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/08/us-vs-them-the-sinister-techniques-of-othering-and-how-to-avoid-them
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Who was being ‘othered’ by the phrase ‘they are us’?
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:40am
  - nathie
    
    Heh, you carefully and concisely pointed this out to SB2 yesterday!
    
    Oh well, another day, rinse and repeat, sigh! 🙁
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:50am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I don’t buy in to “they are us” and “team of five million” propaganda- because it implies lack of personal choice.
    I want to retain the opportunity for myself to decide whether I want to be collectivised into a particular ethnic or religious group because the government says so.
    There has been a lot of anxiety about NZ born criminals being forced to return here – with some carrying on with law breaking and anti-social behaviour.
    By Ms Ardern’s emotional slogan logic they must be “us” too.
    But not my “us”.
    
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    June 14, 2021 10:03am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I don’t fit into “us” when it comes to identifying with Muslims.
      I acknowledge I live among them and their lawful right to be here but I wish no part to do with them except out of necessity or in opposition to their world wide anti-Christian message of violence.
      
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      June 14, 2021 1:10pm
  - SB2
    
    “It is offensive.”
    
    Why?
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:36am
    - lifesgood
      
      For a start, I wouldn’t want to be on your team SB2.
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:32pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Because Brenton Tarrant treated a Group of our fellow NZers as being different from the OTHER NZers. (ie. us) ..and Jacinda Ardern has reinforced his message.
      
      The silly woman should have said “This is not us” / or Tarrant’s actions and beliefs are not ours.
      
      He said the right phrase would be, “‘This is not us’ – because it rejects violent extremism, it rejects racism, it rejects Islamophobia and all of that.”
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/they-us-well-intentioned-but-feeds-othering-says-muslim-community-leader
      
      Ardern viewed citizens as them and us.
      
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      June 14, 2021 3:49pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Or, we could go for the common sense understanding. From your link, even:
        
        Altamash Askari of the Islamic Ahlul Bayt Foundation said the prime minister was trying to point out that the fallen in the attack “were no different, they were just normal Kiwis, normal New Zealanders going about their daily routine”.
        
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        June 14, 2021 4:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        common sense understanding
        
        From someone standing on the majority side, that might be the “common sense” understanding, but it’s not the interpretation some folks from a minority grouping feel.
        
        I know my father-in-law thought he was an ordinary German when he was a boy, but when he was 16, the authorities knew he was one of “them” and not part of the Volk.
        
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        June 14, 2021 4:27pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Have you read this Mikenmildagain?
        
        They are (using) us:
        
        However, no one wants to know us on our terms. “They are us” plays nicely in a soft liberal speech, works well as a caption. What does it mean, in practical terms, if we can’t even be seen as the heroes of our own stories.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/444567/they-are-using-us-how-is-it-okay-for-others-to-profit-off-our-pain
        
        and if you still don’t get it, then I s’pose you never will.
        
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        June 14, 2021 7:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    According to Powell in the Guardian, as per Maggy’s link …
    
    So Jacindarella “othered” the Islamic community with her “they are us”?
    
    She “them-ed” them and “we-ed” us.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:41pm
    - Hollyfield
      
      I cringe every time I see the phrase “they are us” – we were supposed to be drawing together, not splitting into “they” and “us”. Has to be the WORST slogan of all time, in that it says the exact opposite of what the speaker was supposed to be saying. Luckily for the PM education in NZ has such low standards that many people don’t understand that “they” and “us” are two separate groups of people.
      Although, as a country we are splitting more and more into “they” and “us” every day. When we should be building “we”.
      
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      June 14, 2021 1:18pm
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  Those were great men who achieved great things. That is the difference.
  
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  June 14, 2021 9:32am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The problem is that this is election propaganda that will come out right before the next election and provide Jacinda with Covid levels of free advertising for her and Labour.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:35am
cas

On a brighter note I have belatedly been watching 8 Days a Week, a film about the Beatles and marvelling at how they could do concerts with only 2 mikes for the singing (plus one on Ringo’s drums) and only 3 guitars and drums. And they still sounded great. Compare that to all the staging and lighting groups need today.
Eeh it were all simpler back then.
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June 14, 2021 9:47am
- Gravelroad
  
  Aahh The Beatles.
  They came to our small town when I was about 16.
  They made a public appearance on the balcony of the hotel they were staying in – wearing suits, white shirts and string ties.
  My mother didn’t approve of their haircuts – or lack there of.
  They waved. We screamed.
  No microphones on either side necessary.
  Fab!
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:59pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    They waved. We screamed.
    
    Wot? No way! I always thought you were a bloke.
    
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    June 14, 2021 6:04pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      All I can say Steve is that the teenage boys around me were screaming at the Beatles same as me!
      
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      June 15, 2021 9:16am
MCos

Too bad if you were an English cricket supporter & turned your tv on last night at ten to watch a stirling rearguard partnership from the final plucky pair.
Out first ball at one minute to ten!
Game over an hour later.
I see England are #4 in the test rankings.
They didn’t look it.
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June 14, 2021 9:49am
- James Stephenson
  
  Yeah, not chuffed with that performance, but to be expected when a team playing a last “dead rubber” in the season is up against blokes who are trying to nail down spots in the team for the final. Pride in the shirt will only take you so far.
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:28pm
nathie

Ardern: “It’s not for me to tell people what they can and cannot do in the film making community.”

However any other time or any other issue, for Ardern and Labour, it is:

“It’s ~~not~~ for me to tell people what they can and cannot do in the farming community”!

“It’s ~~not~~ for me to tell people what they can and cannot do in the oil and gas exploration industry”!

“It’s ~~not~~ for me to tell people what they can and cannot do in the petrol car industry”!

Etc. And all of these include putting people out of work. That’s ok, it seems.

BUT when it comes to the one industry that is used to publicise Ardern (and to international acclaim), it’s “oh no I can’t do that”!

Let’s give Ardern a round of applause … hyp, hyp, hypocrisy!
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June 14, 2021 10:12am
- Yabster
  
  lol thats Gold!
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:16am
graham

I have just visited the NZ Herald website, which often has a red banner running across the top to advise of breaking news or major announcements.

This banner, as at 10:15 am, is carrying the following major breaking news announcement:

Watch: PM cracks up watching broadcaster Mark Richardson’s infamous cricket cramp squeal

Seriously, NZ Herald? 150-plus years of journalism, reduced to this rubbish?
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June 14, 2021 10:19am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

What will happen with compact Diesel-powered Generators that provide the electricity required onboard luxury Launches?

Asking for a friend.
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June 14, 2021 10:19am
- Nickc2
  
  What will happen to diesel engines on all boats, including mine?
  I’m picking diesel and petrol will be around for decades to come. It will take someone more powerful than our mentally deranged PM to rid the planet of its use of fossil fuels.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:28am
- graham
  
  Probably the same as will happen to the generators that many businesses, retailers, wineries, construction sites, telcos, cellphone towers, emergency services, electricity companies (yes, really), funfairs, A&P shows, rural households and farmers use for when the power goes out.
  
  Never fear, I’m sure Labour has thought this through … (/sarc)
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:43am
- SB2
  
  Joe and Jane Public couldn’t care a stuff!
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s only because they don’t need one in a Dinghy!
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:03pm
    - sooty
      
      Oars, for you!
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:45pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Oarsome!
        
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        June 14, 2021 8:22pm
  - Yabster
    
    as if you of all people know Joe and Jane publics mind- don’t you mean left socialist dheads don’t care a stuff? I would have thought farmers, and businesses that use generators as back up do give a stuff and contary to your deluded tiny mind they are part of the public of NZ.
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wtf do they think powers the wheat harvesters which is where your weetbix comes from?
      Joe and Jane Public have the brains of a dead kumara – and vote Labour
      
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      June 14, 2021 4:55pm
Than

Stuff has an article discussing whether using the word “female” is sexist language.

Seriously?

This is the absolute definition of a first world problem. Are we really so pampered and provided for that this sort of meaningless ephemera is what we use to occupy our time?
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June 14, 2021 10:22am
RW Capitalist

Even in 3rd world countries, this is know as Corruption.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300332264/labour-party-sells-tickets-to-business-conference-featuring-jacinda-ardern-and-grant-robertson-for-1795
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June 14, 2021 10:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Featuring that wizard of the Uni cafe finances, the assistant book keeper, now promoted to the Bull who charged the Reserve Bank and opened the vaults to inflation. Accompanied by that smiley pain the Prime Morningstar* , the ever happy, in the absence of Judith, one-eyed socialist and impractical Cinders, freshly covered in ashes from falling out of her fireplace.
  
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  June 14, 2021 1:21pm
Jack5

Veteran funds manager Sam Stubbs gives his dream view of how rich New Zealand would be if Muldoon hadn’t cancelled the compulsory New Zealand Superannuation Scheme in 1975.

Sam seems to think we’d have built up at least half a trillion dollars worth of capital by now.

It’s an interesting “what if ” topic, and Sam, being a funds manager, would think you just build the savings and we would, with half a trillion stashed away (his guess) be as rich the Scandinavians and have a technology industry to match Israel’s.

But then, Sam, there are other important factors. Norway with its vast super scheme had and has a big oil and gas industry. It has squirrelled away the profits rather than splashing out like the Gulf tycoons. Norwegians didn’t have a Green socialist Utopian like Jacindarella to kill off the oil bonanza.

Norwegians were invaded in World War 2, and it took a long time to recover. They’ve a near-Arctic border with Russia, probably still the Soviet Union when they started saving. It’s cold, and always having a bitter winter ahead discourages profligacy.

We’d have Israeli-scale technology?

Israelis are smarter than us and better educated (count the Nobel Prizes – 12 since 1966, more per capita than the United States or Germany).

Surrounded by states it sees as hostile and with funding help from America, with demand for military high tech materiel, Israelis have created a leading technology industry across fields wider than military products.

Would Xero and Rocketlab have remained based in New Zealand if we’d had the mountain of capital? There’s still our isolation to contend with.

But it’s hard not to agree with Sam that we would have been a helluva lot better off if Muldoon hadn’t killed the superannuation scheme.

We’d probably have had a bigger population, too. Bigger families would still have been an affordable choice. That also would have fed economic growth.

What a strange mixture Muldoon was. He led the Centre-Right party, and on one hand killed the superannuation scheme as socialist, but on the other at one stage imposed price controls.

Sam Stubbs’s “what it would have been like”:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300327451/the-worst-decision-by-a-new-zealand-politician-ever
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June 14, 2021 10:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Another diversion.
  NZ probably wouldn’t have survived the wage price spiral if we hadn’t cancelled the compulsory super.
  The NZ dollar was floating and we had no spare foreign exchange to park the savings or to cover the demand on the balance of payments from their investment locally. We came perilously close to not being able to import food.
  
  The preceding Labour Govt had petted the unions and the Arbitration Court granted compulsory wage orders which put immense pressure on financing the import demand that flowed from the spending so generated. Externally we had foreign speculators taking positions against the NZ dollar. The oils shocks when the Arabs catastrophically upped their prices also had to be absorbed among that mix. Hence carless days to keep import demand down. Our exports were mainly meat and wool and the UK and Europe were not the most friendly.
  
  I believe Muldoon’s first concern was to keep the country surviving while the wage/price spiral was brought under control. His second was the provision of a reliable source of overseas funds for the future. If we could make we didn’t have to buy it from overseas. It is easy for money managers to want to have a piece of the action but that wasn’t their season.
  
  Such a fund as was closed may have fitted NZ better later. The Kiwisaver is not far different and the managers are free to invest externally. If the Govt had better quality Finance Ministers I mighty agree to the funds being used to develop NZ infrastructure. A Do-Nothing govt of the present achievement level could not develop a plant package in brown paper bag. The funds are probably safer outside the govt’s direct control. Trusting long term investment in NZ requires a budgeted payment for the use of those funds which may not otherwise be income producing. Those who can’t provide houses can’t provide savings.
  My family in Aus are better off staying there.
  
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  June 14, 2021 1:53pm
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Muldoon called a snap election on July 14 1984. On 26th July 1984 the Fourth Labour Govt was in power. On 4th March 1985 the NZ dollar was floated under the Lange Labour Govt.
    
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    June 14, 2021 10:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  3 Labour Governments since then and they all did the same thing.
  You know what it is ….
  
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  June 14, 2021 5:03pm
- doggone7
  
  Stubbs called it ‘The worst decision by a New Zealand politician, ever.”
  
  The decision was made possible by the dumb bastards who voted for his party. They were allowed to vote for him, allowed to be dumb and allowed to be scared of Reds under their beds.
  
  What gets me is how many of them think that striking that trifecta gives them the right to complain about the economic base of the country and bitch about the fiddling of ministers of finance of other governments who in comparison are doing fiddling around the edges sorts of things compared to the Big Blunder.
  
  They shat in our nest yet have the gall to pontificate left, right and centre?
  
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  June 14, 2021 7:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  He means, biggest loss to his industry (& the fees it would suck out).
  
  The fact is, all those compulsory savings would have had an opportunity cost. Money not spent into the economy, not invested into private business …
  
  There’s no guarantee that the outcome would have been any better for New Zealanders
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:30pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve never ever said a bad word about Killary. Promise!!

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1403945815924686848
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June 14, 2021 11:00am
- SB2
  
  Another nonsense addition to the Clinton body bag count?
  
  Why do people like you believe in such weird stuff?
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did you not hear about Jeffery Epstein?
    
    You are so stupid!
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:05pm
    - Keith White
      
      Epstein won’t be handing in his homework, but he didn’t kill himself.
      – Epstein’s mom’s note to teacher.
      
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      June 14, 2021 2:31pm
  - Inandout
    
    SB2, you probably dismissed Fauci’s earlier statements which were questioned; weird, conspiracy, looney to even question his covid findings. I am amused how even CNN has had to admit they were wrong.
    
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    June 14, 2021 1:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Send your real name to her and tell her you have dirt on her and will expose it. What’s that? You don’t have a real name?
    
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    June 14, 2021 5:00pm
Tony Stuart

Remember when Labour and the Greens used to scream blue murder about National running Cabinet Clubs, alleging that it was “cash for access”?

I guess it really IS different when the Left does it!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300332264/labour-party-sells-tickets-to-business-conference-featuring-jacinda-ardern-and-grant-robertson-for-1795
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June 14, 2021 11:04am
- Gravelroad
  
  They would have to pay me to go – and pay big.
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:01pm
  - Yabster
    
    be fun to get Cindy princess, Robbo to define a fee versus a tax- thats just question 1…..
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:36pm
    - kowtow
      
      When is a minister not a minister ?
      When he’s fund raising.
      
      ‘These high-powered ministers are all listed as the Labour Party spokespeople for these roles, rather than as ministers. This keeps the invite and the event within the rules set out in the Cabinet manual for such party fundraisers.’
      
      Definitions are for us peasants , not the ruling cliques.
      
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      June 14, 2021 1:16pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        But can they be trusted?
        
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        June 14, 2021 1:56pm
    - namron
      
      From my 2 dictionaries.
      fee
      1] a charge or payment, eg for a professional service.
      2] a charge paid to be allowed to do something.
      payment for professional services.
      tax
      1] a compulsory payment by a govt. on income,
      property etc to raise revenue
      2] a sum of money claimed by a govt. for its
      support and paid by citizens on income and
      property [direct tax] or on purchases [indirect
      tax]
      Do you see any real difference in the meanings?
      
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      June 14, 2021 3:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Then there is ‘levy’ Must be a fee or tax for having a fee or tax??
        
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        June 14, 2021 5:08pm
Fisiani2

The Billion Dollar Cycling bridge (does anyone seriously believe it will cost $789M) for a few lycra wearers means no money for nurses or teachers. What is more useful?
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June 14, 2021 11:04am
Local Miller

I came across an interesting expression this weekend:
Immigration without integration is invasion.
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June 14, 2021 11:17am
- Jack5
  
  I don’t agree with that statement, Local Miller.
  
  However, there are two main policies connected to immigration: assimilation and multiculturism.
  
  I think the traditional American approach of assimilation, with a drive to integrate everyone, is preferable, though it could seem almost corny to a foreign visitor to America. School kids saluting the flag, pledging allegiance to America in class, and national flags everywhere, patriotic songs.
  
  Yet it seemed to work.
  
  Multiculturism is not just tolerance, which nearly everyone agrees is good.
  
  Multiculturism’s an ideology that includes strands from Marxism, Hegel, and Freud. A witch’s brew.
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:36am
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    “Multiculturism’s an ideology that includes strands from Marxism, Hegel, and Freud. A witches brew”
    
    In other words, you’d rather ethnics like Middle Easterns and Africans weren’t here?
    
    Apart from a token concession to some Yazidis and Mid Eastern Christians.
    
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    June 14, 2021 11:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Marx, Hegel, Freud, from Africa or the Middle East?
      
      On-duty ?Stephieboy, you are a shame on the Old Country.
      
      Trolls should be witty, but that comment suggests a mind as thick as a brick, or, as they say in Stephiestan, as thick as piss-ants.
      
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      June 14, 2021 12:20pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Immigrants are assumed to integrate. Colonists do not.
  
  An immigrant comes to your country with the dream of becoming like you.
  A colonist comes to your country with the dream of you becoming like him.
  
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  June 14, 2021 11:44am
Maggie Pie

A gal from tennis txts…..

‘Other than what other people tell her to do, do you honestly believe Jacinda would have any idea what actually needs to be done?’
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June 14, 2021 11:31am
I remember when

Meeting with officials in Canterbury about the current position with regards to employees (possible employees) on worker visas.
It was emphasised that they can not be replaced by New Zealanders with the skills.
I’m told by someone at the meeting that they have never seen so many farmers upset and angry about the current situation. In their words, “people were in tears and many stories showed the complete lack of understanding of farming (and the workers) needs by the authorities.”
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June 14, 2021 11:52am
- Jack5
  
  What was their solution for shutting us off from the pandemic?
  
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  June 14, 2021 1:10pm
Maggie Pie

And looks like my earlier post @8:49 this morning referencing Charlie Hebdo may have struck a nerve.

I see Philippa Campbell has decided to pull the plug.
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June 14, 2021 12:17pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I wonder if that had anything to do with mentions of her husband, and his professional “relationship”with the Labour Party and the PM?
  
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  June 14, 2021 12:39pm
  - sooty
    
    Are the luuvies bailing out?
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You make it sound a lot more ‘incestuous’ than I did Tony 😛
    
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    June 14, 2021 12:51pm
  - herb1
    
    Tony
    No way that a woman who lives in the same town as a woman she’s making a film about , would speak to her or her advisors about.
    No way would the husband, Simon Wilson ,who’s well connected with the PM , know anything about what his wife was up to , and mention it it to that other woman.
    Your joining to many dots Tony.
    Just accept Ardern is in a world of her own and knows nothing of what’s going on around her and isn’t aware of interviews for books will actually result in a book
    
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    June 14, 2021 6:31pm
    - sooty
      
      Yep she’s isolated up in the ninth floor coluring the cartoons!
      
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      June 14, 2021 10:27pm
curry4me

Ummmm I’m not sure how to tell you this but the Woke just cancelled themselves?? School Strike 4 Climate Auckland Organization disbands because it’s too racist??? | The Daily Blog

Woke School Kids Cancel Themselves.

Ummmm I’m not sure how to tell you this but the Woke just cancelled themselves?? School Strike 4 Climate Auckland Organization disbands because it’s too racist. [I almost broke a couple of ribs rolling on the floor laughing.]
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June 14, 2021 12:24pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANRs4DojOek

Bats in Wuhan Lab.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology kept live bats in cages, new footage from inside the facility has revealed, disproving denials from World Health Organisation investigators who claimed the suggestion was a “conspiracy”. An official Chinese Academy of Sciences video to mark the launch of the new biosafety level 4 laboratory in May 2017 speaks about the security precautions that are in place if “an accident” occurs and reveals there had been “intense clashes” with the French Government during the construction of the laboratory.
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June 14, 2021 12:25pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, and Fauci was donkey deep involved in it.
  
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  June 14, 2021 1:35pm
  - SB2
    
    “..deeply involved ”
    
    Rubbish from Trump and his followers crap machine!
    
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    June 14, 2021 1:50pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      When I see a picture of a lab worker cuddling a bat and the world wide rage against Fauci–“deeply involved” may be an understatement.
      
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      June 14, 2021 1:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Where the fuck did Trump get mentioned you stupid boy?
      
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      June 14, 2021 5:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just an ad for Sharri Markson
        
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        June 14, 2021 5:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It has some opinions, but in reality it is an advertisement for Sharri Markson’s book
  
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  June 14, 2021 5:22pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NInicWQkZDs
Leaders Pressed on CCP Virus Origins.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and US President Joe Biden have all been asked about the possibility COVID-19 leaked from a lab in China during various press conferences connected to the G7 summit.
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June 14, 2021 12:25pm
ABS4EVA

Are ASIO invited to the HUI in CHCH?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/20/australias-spy-chief-vows-to-call-out-rightwing-terrorism-when-theres-a-specific-threat

Are we allowed to ask? and if not why not?
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June 14, 2021 1:01pm
Jack5

When schools tell our children and grandchildren how bad colonisation was, get the kids to ask the teachers:

“Why did Mozambique and Rwanda join the British Commonwealth a group of former colonies when those two countries were never colonised by the British?
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June 14, 2021 1:08pm
- hilaryt
  
  Made the mistake of listening to the Panel on Jim Mora’s RNZ slot yesterday…to find Richard Harman & Lavina Good both siding with those who sneered at Goldsmith over his ‘on balance’ remarks. Both mentioned the stats…how the ‘stats show the picture of Maori deprivation since colonisation’…sort of thing. If either had given a moment’s thought to the stats they would quickly realise what rubbish they were speaking. Do they seriously think pre-colonisation Maori lived long & happy lives, instead of the reality of nasty, brutish & short? (Wasn’t much longer for the average settler as it happens.) Didn’t expect much from Good but surprised at RH. As Reddell has said, no party is prepared to engage with those stats.
  
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  June 14, 2021 1:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    State Radio, State TV, and the subsidised print media push forward the Labour Lite tail of National.
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:06pm
  - MCos
    
    My great grandfather left Ireland for a better life in NZ around 1880.
    Life expectancy in Ireland, which was part of the British Isles, got as low as twenty due to famine.
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:15pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Only just read that Cossie….what an amazing coincidence!
      I’m just been preparing creamy Potato Gratin for dinner.
      
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      June 14, 2021 4:56pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, well, my partner makes my lunch every day.
        Tomorrow is fried streaky bacon on pancakes, with Canadian maple syrup and fresh whipped cream. Then those mini chocolate eclair things.
        Disgusting
        
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        June 14, 2021 5:29pm
Paulus

Jim Mora and his selected left wing guests are part of the anti National $105,000,000 media fund.
If on in our house I turn it off – dreadful man too !
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June 14, 2021 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Prezzies Xi & Putin said to be…. ‘quaking in their boots’

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1404124753636515856

LOL!!
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June 14, 2021 2:40pm
Monique Watson

It’s not the right wingers or the left wingers who are infighting that are to blame. It’s that 50,000 and rising Muslim voices via the petition and Twitter :#Theyareusshutdown pointed out that the Movie is about the story of how a white woman became a great leader on the back of the Christchurch massacre. The film makers discounted the pressure the worldwide Muslim community might apply.
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June 14, 2021 2:58pm
Bluegrass

Re the various posts above on multiculturalism – let’s cut to the chase.

Multiculturalism was designed to promote division. Its architect was Pierre Trudeau, who sought to preserve French-speaking Quebec from the rest of Anglo-Canada. Not to integrate, but to divide. To be culturally separate.

The multiculti Trojan Horse was subsequently saddled up by the cultural Marxists as another tool to culturally and politically disenfranchise the West and its Caucasian inhabitants from their Christian and Greco/Roman underpinnings and institutions.

One definition of owning your own country and retaining your culture is not having to explain things to those from different cultures, and being free to comment without fear of being labelled racist (and the rest of the weasel snowflake labels).

You think you still own your country?

That ship has sailed.
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June 14, 2021 3:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ‘waka’ has sailed
  
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  June 14, 2021 5:31pm
nathie

Breaking news! Here’s Labour’s deflection from the Jacinda film bad news controversy ….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300332568/watch-live-jacinda-ardern-expected-to-announce-official-apology-for-the-dawn-raids-of-the-70s

So it’s an announcement for crying out loud! You couldn’t make this up! How scripted! Kind of like a film actually … hmm.

Perfect (says Labour) as bound to be lots of sorrow, tilted heads, frowny faces but followed up by hugz and feelz and back-pats all round!

But best of all … an empathetic media … telling and showing everyone how wonderful and compassionate our dear leader is!

What will they announce tomorrow then?
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June 14, 2021 3:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  I had a small part in those raids and I am disgusted that the idiot feels a need to apologise for a lawful action undertaken by a government against people who knowlingly and deliberately broke the law.
  
  Most of those “rounded up” didn’t even face court time as the employers of the time pleaded for them to be left here to continue to do the work the many lazy pricks that we seem to still have today elected to sit on their fat lazy arses and allow those of us working to support them.
  
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  June 14, 2021 3:32pm
  - Jack5
    
    Apology, sorry, forgive us for breathing …
    
    Jacindarella continues the apology tradition of Helen Clark.
    
    Remember when Clark went down on her knees and all but did the kow-tow in the home of a Polynesian family. A member had died following a power cut-off over a bill problem. Nothing to do with the Government.
    
    As for the dawn raids, when would you interview suspected illegal immigrants who had jobs except early in the morning before they went to work, or at night?
    
    Either way upsets the Woke and provides emotional headlines for the Auckland newspapers: dawn raids, night raids …
    
    Let’s have an apology for all the apologies our Leftist female politicians make. Just encourages demands for more.
    
    Consider a phantom meeting of Leftist Female Prime Ministers Anonymous:
    
    On behalf of the country, I’m sorry for X ..
    And on behalf of the country, I’m sorry for Y …
    Me, too, I apologise on behalf of the Government …
    And from that, I apologise on behalf of the country …
    I apologise for having to apologise …
    
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    June 14, 2021 3:58pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Jack, the majority that were sought through the “dawn raids” had been identified by others or through previous addresses supplied when a “temporary visitors permit” had been gained or at the previous address supplied as part of a “continuing residency permit” when some of the conditions of the permit were not being met.
      
      The “raids” were performed by both immigration staff and the police to ensure the safety of all affected and that the law was being followed correctly.
      
      As I said, all turned to nothing really as the Employers Federation made appeals to the government which eventually turned the tide and the whole thing dissipated.
      
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      June 14, 2021 5:10pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        At the time the overstayers were supposedly about 50% brown (pasifika) and white (poms and yanks). Apparently the latter group did not need to be woken up early to be deported … if indeed they were.
        
        KGB and Gestapo had already shown that dawn visits were pretty effective. We can learn ….
        
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        June 14, 2021 7:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        The Boag solution? Interview the suspected illegal immigrants at work?
        
        That would still make the media and the rest of the Woke angry. “They tried to get overstayers sacked” etc.
        
        You don’t seem to have had a brush with Immigration with a capital “I” in another country. Lots of us NZ’ers have. You accept it as their country, their rules, their right, take it on the chin, and if necessary move on.
        
        Apologies for a country imposing its own rules are ridiculous.
        
        You imply the British were better treated than Samoan immigrants.
        
        We were subsidising Brits (and Dutch) to come to New Zealand for some years. Assisted immigration for them didn’t end until 1976. Immigration permits weren’t required of the British until 1974. Bit unfair, but it was quid pro quo. Plenty of us wanted to work in Britain for a year or two, and bugger all wanted to work in Samoa.
        
        Policing of illegal immigration from Samoa began seriously in 1972. However, by 1976 a register had been opened to allow illegal migrants to register and obtain legal status.
        
        By the time of the big Samoan influx, unskilled wages were too low for the British, so most of the Brits here by then were skilled. The ship-jumpers had long since married into local communities.
        
        As for your mention of Americans. I don’t recall any wanting to come to work in low-wage NZ in the 1970s, but there were plenty of Americans in Christchurch. They were based at, or were passing through, the US Navy (now US Air Force) Antarctic support base.
        
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        June 15, 2021 2:30am
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    But according to the news the raids were racist.
    
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    June 14, 2021 7:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I was just speaking with my partner’s mum about this.
  She was saying she well remembers the ‘Dawn Raids’. Happened under the much respected PM Rob Muldoon.
  
  Reckoned that for quite some time afterwards, it had never been safer in Auckland and Wellington for a young woman to walk the streets at night.
  
  Compare that to what we have today 🙁
  
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  June 14, 2021 4:27pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The dawn raids actually started under Rowling’s watch.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:11pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Correct, although they weren’t particularly effective, like most things on Rowling’s watch.
      
      Of course Muldoon ramped up the rhetoric in National’s 1975 campaign advertisements, but this was a Labour initiative first and foremost. People have forgotten that, the same as they think National was in power when the Urewera raids took place, when they actually happened on Helen Clark’s watch.
      
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      June 14, 2021 10:02pm
ABS4EVA

The Asians of Australia are wanting an apology
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June 14, 2021 4:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  Hell, I’m waiting for an apology from this government for having to endure 4 years of crass stupidity from ardern and the numpties.
  
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  June 14, 2021 5:11pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t hold your breath Tall Man!
    
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    June 14, 2021 10:03pm
Loddenthinks

Trying very hard not to sound smug, but just how good are these Black Caps? The pride I take is not just from the thoroughly professional, quite clinical dismantling of an English side that hadn’t lost a home test series since 2014, and had not lost a series to NZ since 1999.

It’s also for the fact we’re now ranked No 1 in the world in test cricket, no 1 in the world in ODI cricket, and no 3 in the world for T20s. We have the smallest cricketing pool to choose from of any of the test-playing nations, yet we’ve won 7 of our last 8 series, not all of which were at home.

But mostly it’s for the way these Black Caps have gone about their business. They play the game hard but fair, they clearly have a no-dickhead policy, they understand the traditions of this sport and of sport itself, and they seem to be completely without arrogance at a personal level.

I can’t resist a dig at the Ugly Australians, who used to win most things but were almost universally disliked by neutrals. This Black Caps team is getting all the plaudits and congratulations they so richly deserve, not just from within our country but throughout the cricketing world. Doing things the right way, growing better men, no surprise that they’re achieving all they have.

Come on the WTC Final starting later on Friday, and go the mighty Black Caps!
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June 14, 2021 4:22pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  +1
  
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  June 14, 2021 4:32pm
- greybeard
  
  I agree with most of your comments but have the following reservations:
  Kane Williamson is a bit fragile and may very well collapse.
  Ross Taylor should be demoted to 7 or 8 as he has passed his best.
  
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  June 14, 2021 5:36pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It gets better when you consider that 6 of the team were replacements, the poms won the toss and batted first, and we cleaned them up in 3 days and one hour.
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:15pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Perhaps I should have mentioned that Kane Williamson is also the No 1 Test Batsman in the rankings.
    
    Yes he has a problem with his elbow, and wisely sat out the second test, but “fragile” is not a word I’d use to describe the skipper. Taylor made 80 at a good clip in his only innings, and deserves his place. I can’t imagine what you;re thinking if you suggest he should be at 7 or 8 in the order – which out of an all-rounder, the wicketkeeper or one of our world-class bowlers would you leave out?
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:54pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Taylor’s 80 in the first innings at Edgbaston will have done his confidence no harm at all. He is still a class player, and the commentators on Spark Sport did quite a bit of analysis on the changes he had made to his stance since the Lord’s test. His temperament is ideal for test cricket, he’s still a quality fieldsman at first slip, and his experience will be invaluable in the WTC final.
    
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    June 14, 2021 10:09pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Excellent post. I might even ask DPF if a guest post could be arranged later in the week.
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:04pm
ABS4EVA

Lange was the First Labour Politician to miss handle Terrorism Adhern is the second

He opened a Mongrel mob meeting at Ambury Park who soon after Pack Raped a local white woman.

The Mongrel mob are domestic terrorists

Then he let the French off the hook

The Proper thing to do would have been to execute the French agent and send him back to France in a body bag in hindsight it would have done Aus and France a Favour might have upset a few people but
Foreign agents should be executed.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/07/14/peter-cosgrove-condemns-cruel-bastille-day-attack-from-paris_a_21432458/

Australian Governor-General Peter Cosgrove and French President Francois Hollande at the Bastille Day march hours before an attack took place in Nice.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/6881742/Francois-Hollandes-family-ties-to-bombing

France’s new socialist President Francois Hollande has a family connection to the sinking of the Greenpeace flagship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland Harbour in 1985.

It has been claimed Hollande’s former brother-in-law Gerard Royal was the man who planted the limpet mines on the hull of the ship at Marsden Wharf which killed Dutch photographer Fernando Pereira.

<
What goes around comes around and you do
eventually reap what you sow.

Karma is a big bummer

NZ had a small window of opportunity to nip it in the bud and set a clear precedent

on Gang Crime and Terrorism

It has done and continues to do neither.

Not involving Australia in the Hui is an insult to the victims families and the many professional people who have done great work to keep the region safe.

Australia's recent success in shutting down organised crime disrupts the funding of Terror
through drug sales.

The Mongrel Mob and Black Power

NEED TO BE DISMANTLED like

ANY other similar TERROR NETWORK
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June 14, 2021 4:36pm
Gravelroad

I see there is footage of a zoom meeting doing the rounds which shows Mr James Shaw voicing claims that “Pakeha farmers from down south” are not cooperating over the SNA land grab.
That is racist profiling.
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June 14, 2021 4:44pm
- chukar
  
  Absolutely Gravel,
  Racism is no problem if there is a white target
  And I suggest that the Southern Iwi farmers will not be co operating either.
  I am sick of this government trying to divide this country for their own agendas.
  
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  June 14, 2021 6:12pm
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern I was clearly misled over Biography.
Is their anything this woman won’t blame others for and this is only a day after another story of a film that taxpayers maybe will have to foot some of the bill for was announced. I don’t trust our Prime Minister with anything she says as to many lies have been told already for these to be the fault of others.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics
Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister must think all New Zealander’s are stupid as It takes two to agree for the interview and people are talking more about the lies she tells so she need to concentrate on her job of Prime Minister instead of her need to be a celebrity.
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June 14, 2021 5:39pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Was misled that their was a book about her? She didn’t know her image would be on the cover? Nor that the book was about her? Yeah ok. And at the same time the announcement of the “They are us” movie which also focuses on Ardern and her empathetic leadership. She didn’t know about that either? Interesting. It looks like a PR push but apparently it’s not. She didn’t know. Just people from Hollywood (movie) and Australia and New York (books) writing about her. Do these have political promoter statements?
  
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  June 14, 2021 6:26pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    In Indian Express. In November 2020.
    The headline was, “HarperCollins to publish New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s biography ”
    
    “HarperCollins Publishers India has announced the acquisition of book, which will be authored by Supriya Vani and Carl A Harte. ”
    
    So obviously back in November, India new the book was a biography about her alone, yet the Prime Minister didn’t?
    https://indianexpress.com/article/books-and-literature/harpercollins-to-publish-new-zealand-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-biography-697939/
    
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    June 14, 2021 6:35pm
    - sooty
      
      Yer, no one talked to her at all.
      Or was she out lawnmowing at the time?
      
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      June 14, 2021 10:17pm
ABS4EVA

So Aus Security are pretty good as good as you can get so if……

Name who can not be mentioned handlers were OZ

they would have been exposed by now?
kind of well and truly
and no one that way inclined can break wind
without them knowing so

Assuming he had handlers
and that is a reasonably safe assumption

Who were they?
and what country countries were they from?

Are we allowed to ask?
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June 14, 2021 5:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Grief!
Does our PM have a clue about what is going around her?

She didn’t know about a film being made about her…
Now she tells us that she didn’t know a biography about her was being produced.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125439001/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-she-was-clearly-misled-about-interview-for-book-published-as-a-biography
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June 14, 2021 5:44pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maybe Labour’s internal polling is feeding back that deification and cult of personality is no longer required.
  
  It appears the producers of these cultural artifacts of Jacinda are mortified at the rejection…
  
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  June 14, 2021 6:03pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, it is difficult now to believe anything this woman says.
  She reportedly has a small army of PR consultants,
  secretaries and media advisors yet none of them ever tell her anything.
  If I were her, I’d be having a real clean out of these propaganda spinners and start again with advisors who tell her the truth rather than just what she wants to hear.
  
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  June 14, 2021 6:18pm
  - greybeard
    
    No no no !
    Let them continue with their spin !
    All will be revealed.
    
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    June 14, 2021 7:58pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s like I posted earlier Maggs….
  she wouldn’t know a good meal if it sat on her face.
  
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  June 14, 2021 6:54pm
ABS4EVA

Coronavirus Death Toll
3,819,658 deaths

Released from a left wing Communist Country
who will not tell anyone how or why
and are threatening anyone who asks

It is in their interest as well to find solutions

But the real problem in the World is the
White Patriarchy

Socialists Communists Labour

Murdered millions of people way more than Adolph responsible for millions upon millions
of death and torture and misery and it is

Every one else who is “The Problem”

Pack of loonies all of them.

I consider Socialism to me a “Mental Illness”

You only have to listen to them?

Jesus what a pack of Lunatics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47eOnyDPmc0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9] And at least 106,300 Russian clergymen were executed during the Great Purge.[

At least 20 million christians in Russia

And while
THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT THE CHINESE

They support the same regime that took out
at least

45+ million Chinese
some say 55 million?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

But both Hitler and Stalin were outdone by Mao Zedong. From 1958 to 1962, his Great Leap Forward policy led to the deaths of up to 45 million people – easily making it the biggest episode of mass murder ever recorded.

But on China’s National Day, in October 1957, he wore on his shoulders a luxurious feather cloak checkered with burnt ombre, white and black.

The cloak, a gift from a Maori king, had come to Beijing from New Zealand, along with a small delegation of foreigners—some of the few allowed in China in this first decade of Mao’s rule.

New Zealand Socialists
Complicit with the GREATEST MASS MURDER
THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN

They are without exception
A SICK and PATHETIC JOKE

Truly Pathetic
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June 14, 2021 6:02pm
RW Capitalist

Apology for “Dawn raids”
Where the govt. of the day, made it legal for police to enter peoples homes without a warrant. Due to overstaying visas
Will she give the rest of us an apology for:
Where the govt. of the day, made it legal for police to enter peoples homes without a warrant.
Due to covid19 lock downs and restrictions?
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June 14, 2021 6:11pm
Happychappy

Why is the Ministry of Health refusing to give the NZ Herald the information on the Covid-19 vaccine rollout as people are becoming worried about being able to get the vaccine.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/analysis-the-burning-covid-vaccine-rollout-questions-the-ministry-of-health-isnt-answering/ZZJQTIF22CSEQB3PLRD73AVRYY/
This Government is trying to hide something concerning the vaccine that could soon develop into panic for older people if they don’t give out more details.
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June 14, 2021 7:00pm
- sooty
  
  This goblement doesn’t collect numbers and colate them. It’s all feels and lawnmower!
  
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  June 14, 2021 10:13pm
Happychappy

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/clean-car-package-toyota-new-zealand-shuts-down-jacinda-ardern-s-claim-company-is-talking-about-bringing-in-ev-utes.htm
More lies from a Prime Minister that will say anything to sell her dream to only have electric vehicles on our roads.
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June 14, 2021 7:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear,
  she’s not having a good day, is she?
  
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  June 14, 2021 8:09pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well, there seems to be plenty of material for the Spin-off and that Have you been paying attention ‘comedy’ on tv to talk about this week
    
    Heh
    
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    June 14, 2021 9:19pm
ABS4EVA

Here is Labour’s Australia’s Super Compuda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47pfv-dtoQI
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June 14, 2021 10:06pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDQ_zp30GD8

Bye Priti Patel.

There’s a re-shuffle coming up. BoJo is ticked off that she hasn’t stopped
The migrant boats. So, she could be out of a job.
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