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CJames

See the government is trumpeting planned “safety improvements” on the Napier Taupo highway – emphasis on planned. This includes lowering the speed limit for which consultation submissions have only just closed. As many expected, the decision is pre-ordained. Not being open and transparent but no surprises there.
“The project could include median barriers, side barriers, wide centrelines and intersection improvements, which would complement the current speed proposal and other smaller-scale improvements. “
Nothing about fixing the potholes, straightening the road at Te Haroto or getting rid of the Tarawera hairpin – all major accident causers. Even the Hastings mayor was cynical, which upset the MPs because she wasn’t being a lapdog.
Yet another one of the government’s “all press releases and no real action” jobs. They have the gall to admit they have had no fatalities in recent times without the promised safety improvements which sort of defeats the need for them. But contradictions like that don’t worry a kind and caring Ministry.
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June 25, 2021 8:00am
- CJames
  
  Here is the “news” item.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/445443/long-awaited-improvements-on-way-for-deadly-sh5
  How much of this is news and how much is regurgitated press release from a Beehive minion?
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:01am
- pdm
  
  Those median and side barriers will make the road even more dangerous – they are claustrophobic
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:06am
  - kowtow
    
    What , as opposed to a head on collision.
    
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    June 25, 2021 8:26am
    - CJames
      
      Kowtow
      If you had actually driven the road recently, you would know those side barriers through the bends at Te Haroto are like driving in a trench. What drivers I have followed do is move away from the side walls into the middle of the road, making a head-on more likely. There is not enough room to put median barriers. To fix it, they only have to cut away the northern bank to straighten the road. It would cost a lot less than all the barriers they put through there. But sensible ideas like that never see the light of day at a woke Tranzit.
      
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      June 25, 2021 8:41am
- CaptainCompromise
  
  Consultation is a joke, they do what they want and make justifications. There is zero accountability.
  
  On a major road near where I live a redevelopment took place, a bypass of sorts. All the 70 and 80 signs were replaced on the old road with 60 signs with 70/80 stickers over the top. 5 months later a consultation rolled around. Most were opposed but have a guess what the speed limit went to…..
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have driven that road a few times. Reducing the speed limit to 80 is absurd. Yes in some sections, and in bad weather 80 or lower is the safe speed. Only morons drive at 100 all the time because that is the speed limit. The solution is to aggressively target moronic drivers. But no they will reduce the speed limit on a major highway and set up speed patrols to ticket offenders.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:09am
  - G152
    
    Police do it yourself financing changing speed limits
    
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    June 25, 2021 8:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  At the recent National Party regional conference in Napier, it was suggested that the reduced speed limit on the Napier-Taupo Road had an ulterior motive.
  
  Taupo MP Louise Upston is doing such a fantastic job as buddy MP for the Napier and Tukituki electorates, that Labour had to slow down her trips on the road and limited the time she spent in the Bay!
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:23am
  - Southtop2
    
    I drove the Nelson to Blenheim road (and back) recently. I thought my cruise control was going to go out on strike.
    I have never seen so many speed limit changes – sections of 30, 50, 60, 70, 80 and there was one piece that was 100.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:42am
    - alwyn
      
      “100”.
      Where was that one? A terrible mistake has been made. We will get it reduced immediately.
      Signed. A Green Party MP.
      
      Well, not really but you can expect that something like that from a real one will end up with the Waka Kotahi crew.
      
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      June 25, 2021 12:36pm
- I remember when
  
  Who even remembers the names Titiokura and Turangakumu now.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:29am
  - pdm
    
    The first time I went on that road was on a bus that had to stop and then reverse to get round some of the corners on both hills – January 1963.
    
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    June 25, 2021 8:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      A fun road: as a youngster I hitchiked over it c. 1953 when I was taken from the Taupo entry, to Napier in 1 hr 35min in a Volkswagen Beetle.
      Later had the experience of sleeping out in a milk can pickup platform on the Rangitaiki Plains one night. An exciting place for motoring.
      
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      June 25, 2021 9:35am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        That Beetle must have had some driver!
        I travelled the road often in my younger days. My father was a quick driver but two and a half hours was what it took in the Mk 1 Zephyr in the late fifties.
        In the eighties after all the new deviations were finished I got it down to about an hour 20 but needed to be doing 130-140 on the straight bits to achieve that.
        Are you sure your 1hr 35 in 1953 wasn’t actually 2hrs 35?
        
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        June 25, 2021 10:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Agree Captain
        I recall being in my Fathers Holden Special travelling that road in the late 60’s. It took around 3 hours plus.
        Even normal driving today is probably an hour 20.
        My record is 53 minutes but that involved some speeding…
        Admittedly leaving at 7 am on a Sunday helped.
        
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        June 25, 2021 12:00pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It was the 1:35 I recall. The guy said he had been a racing driver and I was duly road sick. After a brief stop we go there. It was an amazing trip.
        
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        June 25, 2021 12:23pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Kev, a 1953 VW Beetle was all out at about 105k. that time is impossible.
        And All on Red’s memory is playing tricks on him. 93 miles in 53 minutes is just as much of a stretch.
        My best is an hour and 8 minutes in a car that was capable of 265 k and got close to that in a couple of places.
        
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        June 25, 2021 12:53pm
      - CJames
        
        A lot of people who claim the very fast times see the trip as Opepe to the SH2 intersection, disregarding the 15 minutes each end.
        Driving at the current speed limit where I could and not being stuck behind trucks anywhere, I generally do almost exactly 90 minutes central Taupo to CBD edge Napier. There are too many revenue gathers on the road to go faster. Not unusual to see two speed camera vans and two marked cop cars. There will probably be an unmarked one as well.
        
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        June 25, 2021 1:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No Captain, that time is correct
        From the Westshore Pub to Lakefront
        I was in my Porsche C4s
        Over 180- 200 on the straights
        I know that road well having driven it for 40 years, and no cars at 7 am helps
        
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        June 25, 2021 1:09pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        My first car 1954 Volkswagen Beetle, restored by Pharma Stepdad. Not synchro in 1st and top speed of ~80 km/hr. We *did* once get 6 people in it tho’
        
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        June 25, 2021 1:24pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        OK AoR, getting closer but Westshore pub is cheating a bit. I used to time it to Pandora Point (Pettigrew’s Corner). And my time was set in early nineties, road is a bit better now.
        
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        June 25, 2021 2:08pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        I’ve kept that number in my head but it was a very long time ago. We were doing over 80 mph even on tight bends. The car had amazing performance, it was low to the ground and that road was not pleasant occasion. It had to be a racing car driver as he stated from the way it was handled.
        It’s possible I’m wrong about the timing.
        
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        June 25, 2021 7:06pm
      - pdm
        
        When I transferred to Taupo in 1967 I used to allow 3 hours Taupo to Waipukurau in my Hillman Imp. An hour to Tarawera, an hour to Napier and and hour to Waipukurau.
        
        Most trips, on a Friday evening, I beat those times but not by a hell of a lot.
        
        Much the same times gonign the other way as well.
        
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        June 25, 2021 8:11pm
RiP NZ

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1408137828119240706?s=19

Totally normal….for cognitive decline.
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June 25, 2021 8:02am
- amospicton
  
  Frightening…..the question is who’s making the decisions? When does he step aside for health reasons? Or are they now questioning whether Kamala would be any better? Bewildering to me that a country like the US can’t do any better.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:19am
  - curry4me
    
    amospicton: ‘Dr Jill, I guess. Kamala is sooo…. busy with the border crisis. /sarc
    
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    June 25, 2021 8:48pm
Benedict Yu

This is horrible. ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125554339/every-parents-worst-nightmare-unprovoked-attack-causes-serious-brain-injury

Young guy out doing his grocery shopping and gets punched in the head at random.
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June 25, 2021 8:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  I can can see the defense now.
  
  Poor ……… ……….. lived a deprived and unloved childhood coupled with the effects of colonisation on his whanau and mokapuna meant this was an inevitable response.
  
  12 months home detention a likely result……
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:42am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    . . . a good boy really, turning his life around, so out of character . .
    
    Feel free to add to the copy and paste platitudes that will appear in the the defence of this poor misguided yoth who is suffering from PCS (post colonisation syndrome)
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:28am
    - rockape
      
      Well, if colonisation is the cause then that isn’t going away and he will forever be a danger to the public. So lock him up forever o ensure the public are safe.
      
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      June 25, 2021 10:44am
- Inandout
  
  BY, if he had been wearing a mask?
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:09am
- Surely Knott
  
  And another one. 69 year old woman, Getting out of her car at 10:30 at the shopping mall in New Lynn and assaulted by a car jacker. She is hospitalised.
  
  “A member of the public saw what was happening as they drove nearby, disturbing the man, who ran off with the woman’s phone.”
  
  (Ah why didn’t they stop and help even if it was just to yell or honk ) Also the suspect is yet to be identified. Come on New Zealand.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/125545595/woman-hospitalised-after-assault-in-aucklands-new-lynn
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    West Auckland strikes again.
    The published photos of the prick are very clear. Someone will know who he is.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:10am
  - GJM
    
    Why didn’t they stop? Because not only would they have had the bash as well, but the police would prosecute them for committing self defense.
    You can’t blame them really, and the police wonder why the public don’t support them ot help?
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:53pm
- JamesP
  
  Just after 2am on Saturday, there was an altercation between Te Wano and a group in the supermarket carpark, Rata said.
  The supermarket in question closed at 11pm.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:01am
  - sooty
    
    They were still unloading the trolly
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:43am
  - alwyn
    
    And they close the entrances and exits of the carpark half an hour after closing I believe.
    I really doubt the innocence and good behaviour of the victim.
    I still remain horrified that it happened though.
    
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    June 25, 2021 5:24pm
- hookerphil
  
  They more they write the more questions come –
  1. ““What’s really affected and shocked us is that he’s not that kind of person to go out looking for fights at all. He’s such a happy-go-lucky person,” Rata said.
  About a year-and-a-half ago, Te Wano was assaulted while out in Taupō. “From that experience, he suffered very badly … It was an experience he’d never had before,” Rata said.
  Te Whaiti said the incident left him traumatised, and he wouldn’t leave the house unless it was for work.
  2. “Just after 2am on Saturday, there was an altercation between Te Wano and a group in the supermarket carpark, Rata said. However, police said the man who punched Te Wano wasn’t part of the group and that he came out of nowhere when he assaulted her son, she said.”
  
  Why would someone who wouldn’t go out unless it was for work be in a supermarket carpark at 2.00 a.m. Perhaps the reason was ““He’s a magnet, people are always drawn to him,”
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:01am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Glad they have supplied the CCTV footage. Good chance someone knows the person and will recognise from that.
  Unprovoked attacks, especially resulting in traumatic brain injury, are not just assault.
  I would suggest penalties should be in a similar league to sexual assault/rape in terms of the blamelessness of the victim, the brutality of the offender and long term damage that results.
  Hence I was one KB poster here on the divisive idea of a cowards punch needing to be recognised in law; very much Pro.
  Take it out of the hands of the dudges.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:23am
- Groggy
  
  Don’t think Chaffers is open for groceries at 2am. While coward punching anyone is abhorrent, the victim and his friends had just been in an “altercation” with another group…. ie brawling. So the victim is possibly not the angel his parents portray him as.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:39pm
Barbara

The whole of the greater Wellington region is on a heightened state of alert and under increased restrictions after a week-end visitor from Australia tested positive on returning home.
Tested positive according to a process which the Ministry of Health admits can’t show whether you are infectious or not. And which the inventor Kary Mullis insisted shouldn’t be used for diagnosis. https://stovouno.org/2021/06/24/covid-19-panic-in-wellington-the-farce-continues/
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June 25, 2021 8:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is socialist control- because they like the power
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:26am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Like all extermist Governments they know if they keep us in a state of fear and confusion itso much easier to command and control. And thats their agenda.
    
    Sheeple are being led by the nose. As a nation we have lost the will to question. Look at the bought and paid for MSM a bunch of lap dogs and poodles hanging in every word.
    There are only a couple of conservatives in the MSM and they are drowned out and ignored, The PM wont even speak to one of them such is the fragile state of democracy in this country.
    
    When good men and women stay silent evil will thrive.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fear, confusion, AND Welfare Dependent
      
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      June 25, 2021 11:01am
- G152
  
  And the kid and the geek spend a half hour of TV time explaining the latest ‘We’re all gonna die’ when a news bulletin would take at most a minute.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:31am
- Scott
  
  Here in Masterton we also are on level 2. There has not been a single case of Covid in the Wairarapa for about a year! Someone sniffles in Sydney and suddenly they are wearing masks in the Warehouse in Masterton, the café’s are enforcing social distancing, catering businesses are going to lose money this weekend, people are in fear. For what?
  
  In the news media we have panic porn, we are all going to die because of the delta variant.
  
  One thing they did say sensible was that it shows the urgent need to be vaccinated. But our government is the slowest in the OECD for getting us vaccinated.
  
  There seems no urgency on the vaccination. The government appears to like being in control and telling us what to do and keeping us in fear. Am I wrong?
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:39am
  - Batman
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Is it really fear or is that just you?
    
    Everyone I know is pretty relaxed about being in level 2 and continuing on with life while taking some pretty easy and sensible measures in case it is sneaking about in the general population.
    
    I’m sure you well know that the social and travel link between Wellington and Masterton is both busy and fluid!
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:00am
    - Scott
      
      Obviously easy and sensible and relaxed for you Batman. Here in the real world, one local guy relies on weekend events where he has a catering business. He will get no income this weekend as events are cancelled.
      At sky Stadium there will be no spectators for the Maori all Blacks game. So again all those caterers, who have probably already ordered the food, will get no business and the staff will get no work.
      All churches over 100 people will have to cancel their services or put them online or divide them into groups of less than 100.
      
      All this for one person who tested positive in Sydney after visiting Wellington. Who had one shot of the vaccine. Who to this moment appears not to have infected a single person with the virus!
      
      There is caution and there is obsessive craziness! And at the same time we get all these panic porn headlines about the deadliness of the Delta variant.
      
      I think the government is showing the people who is boss. The spirit of socialist control is alive and well and living in the People’s Republic of Aotearoa.
      
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      June 25, 2021 9:39am
      - rockape
        
        However the timing for Labour was great. The National party SGM this weekend in Wellington to decide the parties new rules has been delayed!
        Funny the same happened for the last party conference.
        
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        June 25, 2021 10:48am
      - Sacha
        
        IMO the PM panicked & bought the COVID KoolAid back in march 2020 when she returned from Australia after her 6 week holiday, and was brought up to date with overseas news.
        The thought of being blamed for the Pandemic reaching these shores threw her into a panic.
        What to do?
        We all now know what she did. The impositions, the rules. But the icing is dripping off the cake, and scepticism is on the rise. Levels are being more honoured in the breach than the rule, and still the population seems to be surviving.
        I think a good number of people may be thinking – hey, all these ‘cases’, and no-one is getting sick? What’s the true story here?
        Cui bono?
        
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        June 25, 2021 10:51am
      - Groggy
        
        @ Rockape, LOL like anyone at MoH cares about the National Party SGM. labour would undoubtedly have preferred that went ahead to see what new bit of backstabbing hit the headlines.
        
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        June 25, 2021 1:44pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The few that I have spoken with are pissed off that the stupidity is still rife and batman’s comment shows that clearly ..”in case it has sneaked out”.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:05am
    - SB2
      
      Tall Man, for you a timely he who is without sin advice.
      
      Wellingtonians I would think go about their usual stuff without a whimper like those here. Many of them think Covid19 is a psy ops or some other crazy conspiracy theory.
      
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      June 25, 2021 11:30am
Maggie Pie

One of the best things about the girls who play Tennis in Remuera, is that you will never have to wonder if they ARE a girl !

Just saying.
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June 25, 2021 8:11am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Where better to enforce elitist cis-genderism…?
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There’ only one form of gender. Either you’ve got it or you haven’t.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:40am
- Frank the tank
  
  Are you sure on that one – plastic surgery can do wonders nowadays
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:19am
  - Jack5
    
    Can it put a womb into a man and other reproductive gear so that person can give birth to a child?
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Your partner is a lucky man Maggie. ?
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Do they carry their bio-assays with them?
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:38am
Happychappy

Minister “dipping into Covid funds”
National claims.
National claim Robertson has run down50 Billion Covid recovery fund spending meaning he will need to borrow more if there is another outbreak.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/
Who would have thought that Labour and the Finance Minister would stop this low after all the politicking they have done on COVID-19 funds
without our media taking them to task.
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June 25, 2021 8:13am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL the feckless ones are too busy trying to find out which National MPs picked their nose in the last caucus meeting
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:21am
- Local Miller
  
  Its a premium article. NZ Herald have an odd system for deciding what should be paywalled. I would have expected such a critical article would be open.
  I wonder if this has anything to do with the $105M bribe.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:07am
  - Happychappy
    
    It’s more than $105 million the media and most other sources of Government news have got rich on the Covid-19 advertising which must be close to a billion dollars by now.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:48am
I remember when

Safety fears in Napier skewed by gangs.
120 People gather in Feilding to protest policing levels in town because of safety fears.
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June 25, 2021 8:16am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The useless Wellington City Council has declared that three quarters of heritage suburbs may now be clear-felled as of right. Don’t they understand that character is part of the city? Overseas, people enjoy London and San Francisco for their built history. Places like central Nottingham or Plymouth, where a combo of the Council & the Luftwaffe see bypasses and high rises, are off the tourist list.

The real solution to increasing population numbers in Wellington, if you believe the predictions, is more housing in the Hutt Valley & up the coast. Not 12 story buildings in Mt Victoria.
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June 25, 2021 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes and there is plenty of land in those areas. But those people will travel and commute in cars. And because they will need a million dollar mortgage they will not be able to afford an EV. So they would be evil.
  
  James Shaw has this line that he repeats. “We need to provide people with better choices. Public transport, cycling and walking”. He could add “and if you continue to make bad choices I am going to force you to make the right choices.”
  
  I can’t stand him.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:46am
  - alwyn
    
    James Shaw is being quite rational. Those pesky private cars on the road get in the way of the Crown Limo that carts him around. Spoils his smooth ride you know.
    I am sure James would like to have the system that I am told they had in Moscow. Special lanes on the roads that were reserved for the Limo’s of the political VIPs. I believe they were known as Zil or Chaika lanes.
    Of course in Wellington they would require the whole of the road but he would be quite happy with that I suppose. Common people shouldn’t have cars.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:08am
- All_on_Red
  
  “more housing’
  
  Aren’t they thinking about turning Kapiti Airport into housing?
  Probably makes sense given that new motorway being built
  Wellington City can only go up
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    There will be plenty of empty houses once we are allowed to travel again as hundreds of thousands choose to emigrate due to Maori Socialist dictators taking over in NZ.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:28am
  - oldfella
    
    Yes, Red, let’s build higher and higher in Wgton, right on top of one the biggest fault lines in the country. Which also runs right up the Hutt Valley. What could possibly go wrong? /s
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:00am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Agree
      Wellington has no real hope of major growth as realistically only low rise will be appropriate.
      Personally I think with low rise you can create a greater sense of community compared to a high rise environment.
      They should start moving some of the Government departments out- Palmerston Nth would be just punishment.
      
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      June 25, 2021 12:15pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Cruel & unusual
        
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        June 25, 2021 3:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    I though that Maori would not allow anything to be done to Kapiti Airport as it is theirs, despite thoughts to the contrary,
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:50pm
- Southtop2
  
  how about less civil servants – fixed a multitude of problems for you!
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:44am
  - Sacha
    
    National Governments always reduce the numbers of civil servants which are bloated by Labour Governments need to give all their mates jobs in Wellington.
    You know what to do.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:57am
    - Southtop2
      
      Not always – one of the criticism of Key was he was too soft on Wellington. Helen employed over 20,000 civil servants and Key hardly made a ripple in them once elected.
      This lot has increased the numbers again https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/do-we-need-so-many-bureaucrats
      When is enough. Compounding this is the diversity component where it appears they are employing the unemployable – a person I know spends a huge amount of time with HR trying to manage hires chosen for their ‘diversity’
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:24pm
- NoFax
  
  Maybe people should be allowed to build on their own land without the sticky beak council getting involved.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:46am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Fell the trees, build more flats etc. Where are they going to put the cars? Are they going to have double-decker highways too?
  
  The City needs a serious look at itself. The roads cannot be further extended. It’s like a dodgem rink, adding another vehicle takes physical space which reduces the freedom of all to move. It’s also seen in computer coding for limited memory as we once had. Modules cannot all be executed at once and buffers are required. Traffic controls don’t do that, they just impede the flow of traffic and allocate space in their controlled stretch of road. To enter or exit requires buffer (holding) space. That got nixed in the inner areas because of the building on the reclaimed land.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:54am
- Barbara
  
  I visit (used to visit …) cities like Prague, or Noto in Sicily, and thank God they’re not run by the Wellington City Council.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:10am
Tony Stuart

Does anyone else find it offensive that the Government can pay half a million dollars for paid PR at NZME, spend upwards of $700 million on a bridge for cyclists and tax the bejesus out of those who dare to buy a new ute, but Starship Hospital has to put out the begging bowl for more beds?

https://starshipicu.org.nz/home#donate
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June 25, 2021 8:19am
- burt
  
  Welcome to Ardern’s New Zealand.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:23am
- Frank the tank
  
  As a parent who has had a child that has had 2 major operations and many minor operations I can safely say that the facilities at Starship are in desperate need of an upgrade.
  
  That said the staff and the foundation do the most incredible job with the resources that they have. There are many an unsung hero in those wards much more deserving or new years honors than the normal political and establishment creatures that do get gongs.
  
  As for your question – kids don’t vote nor do they control the narrative with regards to national discourse.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maybe they need to write more crayon letters.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:48am
  - dave_c_
    
    Well said Frank –
    We have a 4 year old grandson who has had a significant number of major heart operations at Starship. (the first at 4 weeks)
    Who in their right mind would oppose tax payer dollars from being spent on ‘Starship’, or for example ‘Local Fire service’ resourcing.
    
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    June 25, 2021 6:20pm
- pdm
  
  As Vet over at No Minister has been saying for a few months now:
  
  `New Zealand the way you have got it’.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Labour Party Minister who has no idea what his Ministry is doing.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125551395/minister-waited-months-to-reveal-maximum-grant-given-to-amazon
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June 25, 2021 8:19am
- burt
  
  Surely giving tax payers money to one of the richest companies on the planet is an easy and convenient way for MPs to be invited to all the A-List film crew parties. That makes it money well spent – surely?
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:25am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Stuart Nash – say no more. Useless as tits on a bull.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:59am
- Frank the tank
  
  Heck it’s only the wealthiest man in the world we are giving corporate welfare to.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:26am
  - Sacha
    
    Maybe it’s going back into a nice little benevolent fund for those who help Mr Money make more?
    if you get my drift?
    Don’t we all help our friends?
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:30pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Even worse was Dr Ayesha Verrall’s performance at select committee yesterday where she ducked, dived and avoided giving answers to some pretty straight questions from National MP’s Jacqui Dean and Scott Simpson:
  
  https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1407960330383216643
  
  With regard to the final few questions, about Cabinet concerns and the intervention of Finance Minister Grant Robertson, let’s hope that the National MP’s were following the old political maxim of not asking questions they already knew the answers to.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Tony, this is worse
    
    ”
    Nicola Willis
    @NicolaWillisMP
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    Jun 23
    Labour members on the Finance and Expenditure committee just voted against a formal request for a briefing from Treasury on its house price forecast model.
    
    There is significant public interest in this.
    
    Why don’t Labour want us to take a closer look?”
    
    Transparent … my arse.
    
    Surely the people of NZ have a right to hear this information, after all we paid for it!
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:47am
  - oldfella
    
    Tony, isn’t the maxim ‘only asking questions to which you already knew the answer’?
    Or is that only in court?
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:06am
- Nickc2
  
  Stuart Nash eh? Well, who would have guessed? Are he and Phil Twyford related by any chance?
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:09pm
I remember when

“I feel like my life has meaning”, Greta Thunberg.
What are we doing, allowing to be done, to our young people.
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June 25, 2021 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The shit she spouts has no meaning, worse than Jacindaspeak nonsense
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:26am
Ruawai

Ashley Bloomfield on ZB this morning said the genomic testing hasn’t come back from Oz yet because staff at the lab are sick. Surely they have other staff, seems a strange story, wonder if the person didn’t have covid at all??
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June 25, 2021 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe they had the flu, or pneumonia, or bronchitis, or emphysema? Or maybe just a bad cold?
  We are being played by the control freak socialists
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:56am
  - igm
    
    Just like the left blocking media releases on Wuhan Lab reports . . . we are being played for fools by this mob.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  To be fair, there is a fairly low bar for staff illness at testing facilities. As to if the chap in question ‘had covid’, that’s a pretty flexible question. If the Ct value of the test kits was above 16-24 (unsure what is used in Oz. Suspect ~35) then a past inflection or non-Covid coronavirus inflection could return a +ve even if he was totally asymptomatic.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:56am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Here’s the latest on the accuracy of PCR testing.
    
    The issue was raised by Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina and colleagues in the Lancet in February 2021, where they concluded that the cycle thresholds in reported test data were such that only a quarter to a half of positive PCR tests were likely to indicate the presence of infectious COVID-19. The rest, they argued, were detecting post-infectious viral particles, meaning relying on PCR testing was overstating the number of infectious cases of COVID-19 by a factor of between two and four.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:17am
    - Don Beckett
      
      We are all being blindsided. Even the inventor of the PCR test said that it was no appropriate to be used for Covid 19 testing – that was not the purpose for it to be designed.
      There is a better testing system available – the saliva test – why isn’t it being used?
      
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      June 25, 2021 11:12am
      - Barbara
        
        Megalomaniacs like the intrusiveness of the pcr test
        
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        June 25, 2021 11:14am
    - Sacha
      
      I watched an interview Dr Sam Bailey did with a German professor – among other gems, he said: ‘if we stopped all the testing, the pandemic would go away’.
      
      Makes sense to me, lol.
      
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      June 25, 2021 2:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Can a vaccine prompt a false positive?
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:42am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The official line is “No, it will not!!!”. The evidence to-date is less emphatic, but still supportive of that assertion.
      
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      June 25, 2021 11:18am
      - Tall Man
        
        Thanks
        
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        June 25, 2021 5:24pm
  - Groggy
    
    @ Krazykiwi, stop using actual facts to disrupt the KB obsession with Communist/Socialist conspiracies being the reason behind everything that happens. It may force them to engage some braincells for a change.
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      At least we have brain cells to engage, notice it is two words, unlike the sycophantic ardernists.
      
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      June 25, 2021 5:29pm
- Simon
  
  “wonder if the person didn’t have covid at all??”
  
  He had the Delta! yeah was thinking that yesterday. MSM is such crap everything needs to be questioned.
  
  Though a much bigger question is Wellington that boring? This guy cafe to restaurant to bar. Spent about 60 mins in the museum of wokeness. Probably at the museum cafe. Thats about it.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:59am
  - Batman
    
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    He went to the surrealist masters of exhibition with 2,500 other people.
    
    Are surrealist masters now woke? Since when?
    
    Why do you insist on framing your comments to make you look like you don’t read any news? It’s very odd.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:03am
    - Frank the tank
      
      I think he was talking about Te Papa as a whole. I agree with the sentiment. Auckland War Memorial has far more memorable and better exhibitions.
      
      I went for the first time 4 years ago and it felt and looked like a little Aotearoa, left wing paradise. I shudder to think what that place is like PA (Post Ardern).
      
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      June 25, 2021 9:14am
  - Inandout
    
    Simon, while the media are in the virus paddock hate speech laws are being organised in the next enclosure. Baaa.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Staff at the lab have to be the right kind of staff to get the desired result – just saying
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:28am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Not in my experience. A mate is a [former] lab technician who was based in Melbourne. A stickler for process and accuracy, he would have made auditors lament their own carelessness.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:24am
    - Barbara
      
      You miss the point. If he had integrity, he wouldn’t get a job now.
      
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      June 25, 2021 10:36am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You got it. There is the desired result to achieve – by any means available
        
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        June 25, 2021 11:04am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Funny how Dilworth is never described as an Anglican school. If it was Catholic, you’d never hear the end of it.
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June 25, 2021 8:25am
- Simon
  
  Teachers from state schools have touched up more kids than religious schools. Never hear that either.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:54am
  - igm
    
    Unionised perverts are safe, not unlike Labour associates.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:08am
- amospicton
  
  And it’s described as NZ’s “richest” school which is disingenuous on two counts. Firstly that it’s not a school for the elite – it’s a school for disadvantaged boys. Secondly the wealth in question is held by a trust which funds the school. The school doesn’t control the wealth. Just another example of media spin, laziness and click-bait sensationalism.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:10am
NeverMindTheBollocks

News from Wellington: no one has yet tested positive for the Indian / Delta variant. Despite its reported efficacy.

More importantly, no media questions on why this might be so. RNZ focus remains on poor use of masks & QR scanning. Talk about missing the point, Trev!
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June 25, 2021 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  Reports in Media Pardy outlets of outbreaks in the UK ( cases up , hospitalisations down) and Israel cases up , no mention of hospitalisations or deaths.
  
  One wonders what the fuss is about …….
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:48am
  - amospicton
    
    This always happens when the govt needs to turn up the fear dial. The media are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Labour party.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  Cycled into Wellington city this morning. Only a fraction of the usual cars/cyclists on the road.
  
  We have very strong winds here today, and I followed (and overtook) a cyclist who had no red tail light (it was dark at 7:05am), but he was wearing a mask!
  
  The idiot clearly has no idea of the reals risks he faces.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:00am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    LOL, so if he got knocked off his bike by a car, would that go down as a Covid death?
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:24am
- Simon
  
  The Delta!! OMG! The Deltaaaaaarrrrr!
  
  Jacinda has got this! Team of cattle.
  
  Its been a good couple of days for Sheep Aotearoa.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:02am
Frank the tank

I see we are now the 4th wealthiest nation per capita in the world according to the PM’s most trusted news source – ZM. At least Dumb and Dumber got schooled by Cam Bagrie on the ZB drive though when they raised the topic.

Does anyone here feel like we are a wealthier country than Norway, Switzerland and Sweden?

Another bit of non-contextual misinformation targeted at over 40s without penises by the feckless………
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June 25, 2021 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fairy tale
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:50am
- Barbara
  
  The way we are borrowing reminds me of Greece before the crash.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:52am
- Tall Man
  
  “without penises” ….
  
  They’re “Dick” heads, doesn’t that count?
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:39am
Yvette

n a Newshub opinion piece, Mahvash Ali explains – I walked out of Christchurch counter-terrorism hui – Wellington hasn’t been paying attention

While Juliet Moses has really copped most of the criticism, I was far more offended by the preceding speaker – Edwina Pio, she has an impressive portfolio and amongst a host of other prestigious roles holds the position of New Zealand’s first and only professor of diversity …

But – She, like many others, chose to use the term “lone” actor terrorist.
It’s well and truly time to call it a day with that phrase.
Far-right extremism is a collective identity.
It is what the Christchurch terrorist subscribed to, as did the man who recently killed a Muslim family in Canada. The terrorist who carried out the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting was a white supremacist just like the 2011 Norway attacker. [1]

So, please tell us about the corollary – why are so many Islamic killers described as mentally unwell “lone” wolves? Although each seems to be an Islamic supremacist?
While Mahvash Ali may wish to combine her enemies under one label. is the media here in describing mental conditions and lone actions, endeavouring to stop New Zealanders from doing the same.
Just wondering.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/opinion-i-walked-out-of-christchurch-counter-terrorism-hui-wellington-hasn-t-been-paying-attention.html
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- Batman
  
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  Those “lone wolves” were described as such because they were all broadly encouraged by ISIS to plan and act on their own.
  
  Far right white supremacist extremists don’t really operate in the same way. They communicate and support each other online through places like 8chan etc.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:57am
  - RiP NZ
    
    Are you seriously stating there is no collaboration between Islamic terrorists.
    So, no mentoring down at the Mosque?
    No funding, no training, no guidance on targets and timing for maximum damage?
    
    You are blinded by your own antagonism – all the while, and more and more regularly accusing others of sht posting.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:17am
  - Local Miller
    
    Semantics Batman. Whether 8chan was encouraging one group to work on their own, or ISIS was encouraging the other group to work on their own, they both either did or didn’t work on their own.
    I would argue that ISIS provided fare more support to their terrorists than any lone white supremist ever received.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Have you been taking “stupidity lessons” from souxie and ardern?
    
    Talk about trying to pile bullshit on the head of a pin….
    
    “all broadly encouraged by ISIS to plan and act on their own”
    
    “They communicate and support each other online”
    
    Think it through then enlighten us all with the difference…….
    
    Talk about candy and kids.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:37am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Plain Out Bollocks.
    Far right terrorists can’t be called Lone Wolves?
    But jihadis can?
    ISIS was well know as very very savvy about social media, magazines, instructors, viral videos. It has been remarked upon how slick their online content was. In the UK, Jihadis were using carefully chosen software to communicate plans directly (luckily some of Anjem Choudry’s followers weren’t as clever as they thought).
    A common vision of a state, and it tangibly existed for a time.
    Can you really say there some pervasive right wing organisational structure existing purely by via internet forums meaning right wing extremists can’t be LONE actors, yet killers driven by a formalised collective ideological and religious belief, who at the end cry ‘I did this for ISIS!’ are not lone wolves (when they operate as cells of 1)?
    
    Weak, so weak.
    Yvette is bang on about the lack of self awareness in a Muslim who insists on terrorist actions reflecting on a larger shared community: accountable therefore & needing to be focused upon.
    
    This Tarrant chap was self funded, and not part of a command structure – unlike some Jihadis in Europe have proven to be.
    While some jihadis are lone actors, but that is also a tactic around being harder to track – ISIS told them to resort to cars and knives, and strike at home rather than overseas. They are still following orders, or at the very least some are pitiful creatures hitching themselves to a band wagon.
    In contrast, Brevik or Tarrant have NEVER been proposed to be part of a conspiracy, there was no membership to anything. or allegiance claimed, nor others being sought in relation to their act.
    A linkage to a large ‘thing’ is so much clear in the case of Islam since there are so many examples to choose from, albeit a spectrum of direct structural interconnectedness or not.
    If right wingers aren’t allowed to be called lone wolves, then no jihadi should ever have an excuse no matter how they operate.
    
    I am stilled annoyed that this arsehole who shot up the mosques came from overseas to do it here – he didnt even have a link to the country beyond seeing us as a target, and yet we are expected to do some searching of our conscience like it has something to do with problems in NZ society.
    …Never let a crisis go to waste, when you are a SJW.
    A shame that demand for Nazis far outstrips the supply.
    “Reds under the bed, snarks and grumpkins in the woodpile, and white supremacists everywhere!”
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:32am
    - Sacha
      
      This corona virus is related to the common cold, not the common ‘flu which takes about a year to develop a new strain. Covid can produce variants quicker than they can be identified, and certainly by the time a new vaccine is developed it is out of date.
      Perhaps we should judge our risk of infection by the number of ‘colds’ we would get in a year.
      
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      June 25, 2021 2:47pm
  - zulumonster
    
    The very fact they were “broadly encouraged by ISIS to plan and act on their own” surely indicates they are not a lone wolf – at least under the definition that Mahvash Ali is using?
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:29pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  New Zealand’s first and only professor of diversity
  One make you unique. Has she got the green luciferian (ex jelly fish) protein and glows in the dark?
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:00am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Green fluorescent protein (GFP) comes from jellyfish, Roger Tsien got the Nobel for functionalizing it. We use it for tagging things so we can see them.
    
    Luciferin/luciferase is from fireflies, it is phosphorescent. Mostly used in functionality assays as a reporter.
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:33pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Thanks for the distinction.
      
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      June 25, 2021 7:09pm
- alloytoo
  
  Tarrant was (according to my sources) a false flag operation.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:13pm
  - SB2
    
    (according to my sources) ?
    
    What sources?
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:44pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I could tell you, but then they would have to kill you. 🙂
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:50pm
      - chukar
        
        Might be worth it!
        
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        June 25, 2021 6:41pm
Maggie Pie

‘Justice for Kiwis’ campaigner Scott Guthrie tells ZB’s Tim Dower…..” the buck stops with Kelvinator when it comes to the Waikeria Prison riot”.

Now he wants approval to spend another $1.5 million of taxpayers money to compensate prisoners who lost their toothbrushes and Vaseline destroyed in the fire!
Then Scott went on to say…”And where was Kelvin while the gangs were burning the place down? Up North. Feasting on Oysters and Crayfish”

God give me strength.
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June 25, 2021 8:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  Special K – capable of making a sack of blunt hammers appear sharp.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Special K is special, stop picking on him//
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:52am
- cmm
  
  As the saying goes, you get what you reward.
  
  $1.5M to 800 prisoners is nearly $2000 each.
  
  So next Christmas we can expect a whole lot more prisons being burned for the $2k koha.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:11am
Mobile Michael

One day on from the Cricket win. Aren’t Australian tears delicious?

Petty, I know – but you fellow cricket tragics are enjoying it, too.
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June 25, 2021 8:48am
- Batman
  
  More schadenfreude than convention of divorce lawyers ??
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

30 days in FB jail for bullying.
I replied to a comment by someone saying ‘defund the police, and disarm the police ‘in the US.
I said ‘when she is confronted by a bad guy with a gun, the first thing she will do is call a good guy with a gun – stupid woman’
That is NOT bullying, it is telling the fucking truth. Facebook don’t like the truth, precious pricks
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June 25, 2021 8:49am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You think you’ve got it bad SteveO?
  I’ve been on Instagram for nearly 5 years. Amassed over 4.3k friends! Just in the past few months though, I’ve noticed there’s a lot more creeps and weirdos starting to follow me now.
  Check this guy out….
  
  https://instagram.com/p/CLKheZuHMLj/
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bet he don’t have a job, and it’s all Trump’s fault
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:04am
  - oldfella
    
    Maggie, going by the facial tatts, is he a member of the Maori Party? Obviously talks with a forked tongue so got to be in politics.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:29am
- softail 1450
  
  Stece Otto, that’s nothing Steve ,We had a few friends and family round last night none of them under 35 years old , somehow the conversation turned to favorite toys we used to enjoy as kids.
  Apparently ” My penis” was enough to get me banned for a month as well,LOL.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:25am
- alloytoo
  
  Facebook is toxic, you’re better off without it.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Facebook is OK. The mods and fact checkers are TOXIC
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:30pm
RockyJ

True to past form NIWA are now warming us about a hot pool in the near ocean that is evidence of our climate crisis. They do this whenever we experience a spell of cold weather to keep the population alarmed and continue the government sponsored lie. Something we cannot experience for ourselves directly and that requires the high priests to warn us about.
Meanwhile in Antarctica temperature hit -87degrees C.
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June 25, 2021 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  I read that article ,the alarmists screech “climate change” when what’s happening is simply a strong polar vortex which is trapping cold air over the Antarctic for the moment.
  
  I wonder how much effect a Ford Ranger has on polar vortexes ?
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:39am
  - oldfella
    
    kowtow, talking of climate change predictions, we need to remember that science models are are NOT science.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/willcollier/status/1407820027005448197
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:33am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Quote by one of the greatest scientists of all time:
      
      “Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.” – Nikola Tesla
      
      Apparently models were a problem 100 years ago as well.
      
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      June 25, 2021 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Down at the bottom of Lake Taupo (did I pronounce that correctly?) there is a place named little Waihi, around from Turangi and Tokaanu. You can stand in the water with one leg freezing and the other in warm water. Must be global warming – some how. Must ask NIWA their facts on this
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:34pm
doggone7

Todd Muller made a comment to a journalist about Harete Hipango. He’s down the road.

They had a caucus meeting. Trevett in the Herald said one MP described it as a “brutal” caucus meeting in which he was given the ultimatum of either walking or being suspended from caucus.”

So details of the secret caucus meeting made it out.

Today Trevett says: “Barbara Kuriger is understood to be the National MP who dobbed in Todd Muller …”

The next caucus meeting will be exciting.
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June 25, 2021 9:04am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He is a leaker. He should go now. If Barbara Kuriger did not overhear him leak who knows what he would do next. Pressure has to be kept on him to resign now.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:08am
  - doggone7
    
    What exactly did Muller leak? He made a comment about Hipango.
    
    Trevett says, “It seemed a very tough penalty for what amounts to a low-grade offence.
    
    It is not unknown for MPs to brief media, or pass an opinion on someone or something on the quiet. But that falls short of a genuine leak. This was not a leak of information, or of confidential caucus discussions, or even comments critical of the leader.”
    
    The problem is that Muller has been taken out by the crossfire. The random shooting seems to have reached here where Muller is condemned for doing something he isn’t known to have done.
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:32pm
    - Paulus
      
      National MPs should be told to sign a declaration that they must “never” talk to the media as it will be twisted out of all proportion – well done Kuriger, as Muller should have known better.
      However he should not have stood at the last election anyway.
      
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      June 25, 2021 2:02pm
      - Isobar
        
        Wow, for a party that is supposed to champion free speech that would be a terrible idea. It would undermine (again) their credibility at a time they need to be showing their cards on the free speech issue.
        
        It would also do nothing to stop it.
        
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        June 25, 2021 2:48pm
    - peterwn
      
      The penalty could have been tougher – he could have been suspended from Caucus and assigned to a chamber seat in the wop-wops. He could also have been ousted under the Waka hopping law thus losing his three term superannuation.
      
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      June 25, 2021 2:53pm
      - MCos
        
        The three term super was terminated last century.
        
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        June 25, 2021 6:55pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Good. Muller would appear to be either slow or arrogant. Many of the issues National had at the election was due to leaks.
  
  Collins appears to have had enough and has brought out the black stick. Doubly good – there should be consequences for bad behavior.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:40am
- Nickc2
  
  It will be interesting to see if the leaking stops now Muller has been identified as a leaker.
  Well, his BFF is Matthew Hooton so what would you expect?
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:48pm
  - Isobar
    
    Well considering the details of the caucus meeting where he was given a dressing down from Collins leaked pretty much immediately, the answer is no.
    
    The divisions within the party are widening and the gap between the Collins faction and the Anyone but Collins group has likely never been wider.
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

As I get older I realise more and more that there are a lot of people who never snapped out of ‘imagination time’ at kindergarten.
Floating in a bubble in space.
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June 25, 2021 9:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Danyl Mclauchlan confuses a country with its Prime Minister.

He writes: New Zealand often functions as an empty signifier

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/24/jacinda-arderns-global-news-presence-was-a-powerful-weapon-until-it-wasnt

but the entire article is about one person… whose list of achieved projects is empty.
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June 25, 2021 9:07am
- SB2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  One achievement that comes to mind is trouncing National in the last election if you can cast your mind back
  
  Another is keeping the country safe from Covid ( as I repeatedly remind you and others ) like top in the world of nil Covid community cases.
  
  Another relatively low unemployment and high business confidence despite a serious worldwide Pandemic
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:39am
  - alwyn
    
    Can I include another of their greatest hits?
    The have managed, after promising us that they had us at the front of the queue for obtaining vaccines for Covid 19, to being way, way in the rear at actually carrying out any vaccinations.
    Meanwhile of course they lie and lie about how well they are doing.
    
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    June 25, 2021 5:47pm
nathie

Hang on a minute, I thought Labour’s Finance Minister Grant Robertson in particular, and PM Jacinda Ardern occasionally, smile and cheerfully say that the NZ economy is doing well thanks to their stewardship whenever asked by the MSM.

If that’s the case, how come Grant Robertson is asking for options to reduce the Defence Capability Plan ($20b over 10 years)?

According to Defence Minister Peeni Henare: “There are a number of options that have been presented to the minister of finance and … it is now in his hands really and ultimately Cabinet will have to make that decision.”

I’m sure National and ACT could have a field day, quoting Roberston & Ardern repeatedly saying the economy is doing fine – so why the change?

A couple of other things, the Australia to NZ ratio for defence expenditure was roughly 1:5 (to 1:6 etc) in previous times (which more-or-less equates to the population ratio difference), however over the last decade or so the Australians have ramped up their defence expenditure 1:10 seeing NZ lagging behind. The lag is now much greater (over the last few years) …. so how can Peeni Henare say our allies “will understand” when what has been happening is that NZ has been reducing defence expenditure to around 1% of GDP – that’s just enough for basic UN peacekeeping operations?

Meanwhile we have the CCP flexing its muscles in the wider Asia-Pacific region and is attempting to gain footholds in our nearby Pacific neighbourhood. If anything NZ should be increasing defence expenditure to reassure our South Pacific neighbours that we have their backs!

And sure whilst there is no immediate threat, we are witnessing large CCP fishing fleets (200+ boats) accompanied by armed CCP “Coast Guard” vessels plundering fishing stocks in the wider region – how long before they weave their way through the South Pacific?

We also have had CCP long range bomber aircraft flying around Indonesia/Northern Australia on training exercises … hello if this isn’t ringing alarm bells in the Beehive (as logically they could fly over our Pacific neighbours – NZ’s forward front line) then in what cloud cuckoo land are our politicians living in, devoid of any reality?

C’mon National and ACT – call the government out!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/445491/covid-19-forced-govt-to-cut-back-defence-spending-peeni-henare
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June 25, 2021 9:09am
- SB2
  
  There is no serious, credible and imminent threat by an attack by China.
  
  Recalls the hysteria behind the Vietnam war domino theory,
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:43am
krazykiwi

Published in The America Journal Of Therapeutics:

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection.

A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
:::
Therapeutic Advances:
Meta-analysis of 15 trials found that ivermectin reduced risk of death compared with no ivermectin (average risk ratio 0.38, 95% confidence interval 0.19–0.73; n = 2438; I2 = 49%; moderate-certainty evidence). This result was confirmed in a trial sequential analysis using the same DerSimonian–Laird method that underpinned the unadjusted analysis. This was also robust against a trial sequential analysis using the Biggerstaff–Tweedie method. Low-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%–91%). Secondary outcomes provided less certain evidence. Low-certainty evidence suggested that there may be no benefit with ivermectin for “need for mechanical ventilation,” whereas effect estimates for “improvement” and “deterioration” clearly favored ivermectin use. Severe adverse events were rare among treatment trials and evidence of no difference was assessed as low certainty. Evidence on other secondary outcomes was very low certainty.

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

Why do our leaders keep their heads in the sand on this? Why to the media fail our our leaders questions about this?
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June 25, 2021 9:09am
- kowtow
  
  In yesterday’s UK Daily Telegraph was a very small item along the lines of;
  
  “Oxford University scientists looking into……
  Invermectin led to a reduction of virus replication in lab analysis…..
  The Principle study will look at the efficacy of the treatment…..
  Ivermectin has been controversial…..”
  
  Will be very interesting to see the results.One gets the feeling though that the Establishment is putting , deliberately , all its eggs in the vax route .For whatever reason.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:28am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “…the Establishment is putting, deliberately, all its eggs in the vax route…”
    
    Money for drug companies, and control for narcissist governemnts wouldn’t have anything to do with it, now would it?
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:59pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Next tour to India.
  Imnervictin being used over there.
  Not sure how ill get home as most countries still not allow pax to transit from there.
  As Ned Kelly would say. Such is life.
  Keeping supply chains running is not only a moral obligation but a professional obligation.
  Still no access as ” key worker” into MIQ as per international obligations.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:38am
- Fletch
  
  Because they have their politically-approved solution and don’t want to hear about anything else that might suggest that they made the wrong decision.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    A willingness to change one’s mind based in new evidence is one of the hallmarks of leadership integrity. There has been precious little of that from world leaders over the last 18 months. Norway’s PM springs to mind as an exception.
    
    When Keynes asked “When I find new information I change my mind; What do you do?” he was aiming his comment that those who would double-down to avoid having the ‘admit’ a decision that was, with the benefit of hindsight and with new information, no longer optimal.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:36am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s damned weird isn’t it? – I think it is an emergent phenomenon from people too scared of speaking out within the confines of bureaucracies that punish heterodox thought (through limiting advancement or even firing of dissenters). A few life-long bureaucrats and political appointees near the top are owned by their relationships with Big Parma (and beneficial financial links to same) and dictate the acceptable beliefs to all their underlings and by extension the entire govt/media establishment.
  
  These power-brokers venal interests have effectively shut-down the functioning of the scientific method in their world, overriding all evidence pointing to the benefits of these drugs and as a result cost a couple of million extra deaths and possibly a long-extended covid pandemic over the last year.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:04am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s also used in sheep dip. Many long standing remedies have diverse applications. Their long use speaks of relatively safety. Some have been around for 3,000 years. The Muslim world actively use black cumin seed oil which their prophet said cures everything except death. The seeds were found in King Tut’s tomb.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:11am
  - Matt Long
    
    Not dip, drench, oral, injectable or pour on. Controls internal and external parasites including round worm, lung worm, biting and sucking lice. Is not effective again Cooperia, Ticks or Government Bureaucrats.
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:57pm
- SB2
  
  Wise counsel from the US FDA,
  
  FAQ: COVID-19 and Ivermectin Intended for Animals
  
  Q: Should I take ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19?
  
  A: No. While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. You should not take any medicine to treat or prevent COVID-19 unless it has been prescribed to you by your health care provider and acquired from a legitimate source.
  
  A recently released research article
  External Link Disclaimer
  described the effect of ivermectin on SARS-CoV-2 in a laboratory setting. These types of laboratory studies are commonly used at an early stage of drug development. Additional testing is needed to determine whether ivermectin might be appropriate to prevent or treat coronavirus or COVID-19.
  
  https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/product-safety-information/faq-covid-19-and-ivermectin-intended-animals
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:48am
  - alloytoo
    
    how about Ivermectin intended for humans?
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:25pm
    - SB2
      
      “.. ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.”
      
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      June 25, 2021 2:46pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Approval and effectiveness are two different things.
        
        The latter seems to be born out by an ever increasing body of study.
        
        The former seems to be based on an evil desire to punish suffers for something Trump said.
        
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        June 25, 2021 3:54pm
- NoFax
  
  Dr. John Campbell does a good analysis of this research:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:46pm
- JackRabbit
  
  Ivermectin and Doxycycline are well known to the professional medical fraternity here in NZ, as effective weapons against Covid-19. Along with fresh air and sunshine. They are just not allowed to say so.
  
  Meanwhile the internet is awash with replicated articles saying “Vaccination is the only hope of stopping Covid-19.” Despite the fact people are stilling dying that have been vaccinated. The argument that is starting to appear is, that because Covid-19 is exceedingly cunning, for the vaccine to be more effective, people will need to be vaccinated on a regular basis. Say every 90 days.
  
  If you substitute anti-emotion vaccines with the Covid-19 vaccine you’ve pretty much got the script of Equilibrium.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(film)
  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:54pm
  - SB2
    
    Conclusions: Evidence is not sufficiently strong to either promote or refute the efficacy of IVM, DOXY, or their combination in COVID-19 managemen
    
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33864232/
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:50pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      You ‘quote’ one government paper. Here’s 60 studies conducted across more than 40 countries.
      
      Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 60 studies
      Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 76% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.24 [0.14-0.41] and 0.15 [0.09-0.25]), with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis, restriction to peer-reviewed studies, and restriction to Randomized Controlled Trials.
      
      •81% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.19 [0.07-0.54] and 0.04 [0.00-0.58]). Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, ventilation, hospitalization, cases, and viral clearance. 28 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation.
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:57pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      “~~Conclusions~~ SB2’s opinion: Evidence is not sufficiently strong to either promote or refute the efficacy of IVM, DOXY, or their combination in COVID-19 managemen”
      
      I guess all those thousands of people who had Covid and have been saved by Ivermectin and Doxycycline, can put it all down to ‘spontaneous remissions’.
      
      Military personnel and Doctors from around the world take Doxycycline on a daily basis while in underdeveloped countries, and have done for decades. Likewise saved from parasites, Malaria, Ebola and other parasitical “viruses” in similar ‘spontaneous remissions’. The Covid-19 virus behaves like a parasite which is why these and other drugs work so well.
      
      Doxycycline: Creating spontaneous remission from viruses (parasitical infections) since 1965.
      
      Ivermectin: Creating spontaneous remission from viruses (parasitical infections) since 1975.
      
      I’ll take a spontaneous remission over a dodgy vaccine created by the same industry pundits that accidentally released the virus in the first place. Any day of the week.
      
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      June 25, 2021 5:02pm
Capricardo

Getting sick of listening to Grant Robertson at Parliament Question Time, in answer to patsy questions, of how well the economy is performing under his stewardship.

What a load of bollocks!

Maybe someone should remind him that it is the many thousands of New Zealand businesses, big and small, which keep the country going and this in spite of the worst Government our country New Zealand, has ever seen.

It is these companies who employ the people and who generate the taxes which this Government is hell bent on spending on projects many of which any successful company would laugh at!

Many of these companies have been innovative in overcoming obstacles caused by the epidemic entirely by their own innovations.

So to Mr Robertson, next time you stand up at Question Time, please tell the world that you and your Government have done nothing to support theses companies but instead to sincerely thank them for making life so easy for you!
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June 25, 2021 9:12am
- Tall Man
  
  “Borrowed money” can make a failing economy look way better than it is.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:29am
  - JackRabbit
    
    “~~Borrowed~~ Printed money” can make a failing economy look way better than it is.
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:02pm
I remember when

‘Researchers say despite the publicity ‘garbage patches’ receive, floating plastic trash is only 1% of the material polluting the ocean.’
If you search ‘the main sources of ocean pollution’ you find that the results are a ‘who’s who’ of the save the world fundraisers.
Not saying this makes research very narrow but..
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June 25, 2021 9:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Plastic in oceans is a problem that isn’t. It’s not like it just keeps on accumulating endlessly on the ocean surface, it quickly starts to grow barnacles that increase density to point that it sinks to sea floor. where it will get covered over by other organic detritus over coming decades and milenia.
  The sea floor is utterly incredibly vast and mostly entirely featureless with little life – surviving on food that falls from above.
  
  The problem is people thinking emotively on the subject and not grasping the scale of the planet or how vanishingly insignificant the purported problem really is. Personally I think we should generally try to not dump too much shit in the ocean if we like clean coastlines, but not go too nuts about it – keeping some balance and recognising that almost all of the real issues spring from a few 3rd world rivers and almost all the downside is localised to the shores of those same countries.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hate speech is on the way, folks
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/125557541/hate-speech-to-become-crimes-act-offence-with-harsher-penalities-under-government-proposal
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June 25, 2021 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  They took killing babies out of the Crimes Act but now being rude is to be put into said act.
  
  Welcome to Aotearoa .
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:55am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggy maybe I have broken the law below, is discussing a woman having testicles hate speech?
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m sure if you were discussing female testicles with kindness, all would be forgiven.
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:02pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Well we already have a lady in court for saying, “She’ll be going back to her country soon. Where are you from.” So I guess that is hate speech.
    
    But Rawiri Waititi is not charged for his attacks on white NZers.
    The caucasity of caucasians….their archaic species is becoming more extinct….Tangata Whenua + Pakeha = Old Zealand.
    
    Why is the first person being charged for offensive speech but the second one not.
    
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    June 25, 2021 5:23pm
- Yvette
  
  Maggi, as your link says –
  ACT leader David Seymour has said the Government wanted to pass a law “where insulting someone could land you in jail for longer than assaulting them”.
  “Protecting our right to freedom of expression while balancing that right with protections against ‘hate speech’ is something that requires careful consideration and a wide range of input,” Faafoi said, in the statement.
  The Ministry of Justice would receive public submissions on the law change, up until August 6.
  Alongside this, the Government would also seek public submissions on what changes people could be made to make New Zealand more socially cohesive.
  
  Is this another “national conversation” that will falter – like that on Capital Gains Tax – because Government lacks the confidence to propose some clear changes for people to actually discuss.
  
  May we only hope that, just as she flung Capital Gains Tax completely out of the cot as –Ardern said the Government simply didn’t have the mandate to implement such a tax, as so many Kiwis were against one.
  I look forward to her saying “Under my leadership, we will no longer campaign for, or implement ~~a capital gains tax~~ hate laws – not because I don’t believe in it, but because I don’t believe New Zealand does.”
  It could perhaps be the only Government non-delivery the country can welcome.
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:57am
- graham
  
  Hmm .. does this mean it will be illegal for LGBT-etc to use that hateful description TERF? As in when Labour MP Louisa Wall said, “My whole thing is I don’t want any f***ing TERFs at the Pride Parade.”
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:13am
  - oldfella
    
    graham, it’s different when the left do it. Sadly.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:47am
  - david
    
    Perhaps someone more literary and research minded could compile a collection of such quotes from Labour, Green, Maori Party and NZ First parties and MPs that would be in contravention to said proposed laws. “Chinky-sounding names” rings a bell, as does “my daughter will never date a pakeha”. “Racist speech at Orewa” when there was a call for absolute equality. and so on
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:32pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Or the term CIS?
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:27pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The first victims should be those in in Govt promoting Maori above Pakeha and trying to force a change of lingo on the population. Maori hate and opportunism. It’s leading to a likely uncivil war.
  From the USA where opinion has limitations:
  https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/23/deprogramming-of-january-6-defendants-is-underway/
  
  https://www.wnd.com/2021/06/carol-swain-critical-race-theory-violates-1964-civil-rights-act/
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:18am
- alwyn
  
  I wonder if I will be accused of hate speech if I complain abot the way that the vaccine distribution seems to be limited to providing doses to people based on their racial profile?
  No more for Karori. It is needed for out Treaty partners apparently.
  Just when we were starting to get access to the vaccine for old buggers like me the treatment is being taken away. The Karori Medical Centre is having its supply reallocated.
  
  “We have had to pause our vaccine centre in Karori because the numbers [of vials] are so low. We have redistributed what we have left to other primary health organisations”
  
  “Kōkiri Marae is vaccinating its Māori community in Lower Hutt, administering up to 360 doses a day, but wasn’t running low on vaccine. “Our supplies are fine,” said general manager Theresea Olsen”.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125553280/covid19-nz-wellingtons-vaccines-redistributed-across-region-as-one-centre-runs-out-of-doses
  
  What is going on?
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:23am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I don’t know. We’re in Lower Hutt, in our early seventies, no underlying conditions and we’re not ‘special people’.
    Got our first dose on Tuesday, booked for the second one July 13.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not brown enough.
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:26pm
- greybeard
  
  Will this new law override the freedom of speech currently enjoyed by MPs in our Parliament – Parliamentary Privilege?
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:27am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, to merely discuss hate speech is actually hate speech. Kiwis being such a docile lot will happily obey, especially if Jacinda keeps us all safe from the virus. The one time we do get upset though if our toys and utes are taken away.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:31am
Master Mariner

https://gcaptain.com/subsea-mining-startups-spac-soac/

Can any one see the Irony in this.
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June 25, 2021 9:32am
Greg Ettridge

JP sums up weightlifting in a brilliant way as usual.
I cracked up when we got to a woman having a testicle injury.
Welcome to our new world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GZbdSiGdBc
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June 25, 2021 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It came from The Babylon Bee, a satire site.
  https://babylonbee.com/news/female-weightlifter-suffers-tragic-testicle-injury-just-weeks-before-tokyo-olympics
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:13am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    I guess the point is she had testicles for at least the first 35 years of his life, it gave him/her an absolute massive advantage being a man for 35 years.
    JP did say it was satire, the actual time spent with testicles is beyond satire, it is a biological fact she has had a massive advantage over her competitors.
    This stupidity will end womens sport, maybe not end it but elite women will just give up trying to compete.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:18am
    - oldfella
      
      Greg, and your comments will soon be reclassified as “hate speech”, and you’ll vanish off this blog without trace. Never to be seen or heard from again. As will most of us.
      Will the last KBer please turn out the lights?
      
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      June 25, 2021 11:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Woman’s sport is doomed unless this shit is stopped
      
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      June 25, 2021 12:17pm
    - david
      
      “She” has still got them apparently Greg. It was recently reported that Hubbard has NOT had any gender reassignment surgery.
      How do you like THEM bananas?
      
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      June 25, 2021 12:42pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Grapes, banana is the other bit
        
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        June 25, 2021 2:32pm
      - Jack5
        
        Allison Pearson, a columnist on the Telegraph, puts the boot into the selection of transgender Laurel Hubbard, in the New Zealand Olympics team.
        
        “Before you know it, every Tom, Dick and Harriet will be entering female events and women’s sport will be killed stone dead,” says Pearson.
        
        Pearson praises the organisation over the Tasman, Save Women Sports Australia. Pearson says “it went straight for the place where the balls generally hang out,” accusing the International Olympic Committee (IOC) of betraying their sex.
        
        She recalls the shameful period when the IOC and other sporting bodies turned a blind eye to “women built like Russian tanks causing tidal waves as they pummelled through the pool, or hurled the shot into a neighbouring county.”
        
        Fair-minded people won’t cheer for Hubbard in Tokyo, says Pearson.
        
        She has a crack at NZ’s political leaders:
        
        Talking about Hubbard’s selection, Jacinda Ardern, New Zealand’s prime minister, said disingenuously: “All parties here have simply followed the rules.”
        
        Even worse, Judith Collins, Conservative opposition leader, who should know better, added: “She is who she is, and she’s trying to do her very best. I’d hate to see any bullying or any horrible comments about Laurel because she’s doing what she wants to do.”
        
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        June 25, 2021 4:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,

Aussie forgot it was doing research with the Wuhan Lab

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/06/csiro-australian-unis-in-with-wuhan-lab-too-and-forgot-to-mention-it-for-18-months/
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June 25, 2021 9:36am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Sharri Markson is a gem.
  Has a new book being released in September
  “What really happened in Wuhan”
  Sure to be an interesting read.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My previous FB jail was for this. All I did was gave a link to a report in an Australian news site – Bang, 30 days.
    Anyone want to tell me Trump was wrong??
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Researching increased use of weapon functioning of virii should be a crime against humanity.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:22am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    and?
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:46am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It may merit removal from duties.
      
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      June 25, 2021 12:38pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Technically it is. Multiple treaties ban the use, development, manufacture or stockpiling of biological and chemical weapons. Most countries kept at it anyway…
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You need to have a chat with Fauci. He is donkey deep in this ‘gain of function’ stuff, even involved in diverting US funding.
    Forget asking for a link, Google is your friend – maybe a corrupt friend though
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:42pm
    - MCos
      
      So you’re making these allegations against Doc Fauci, which you won’t back up and if you can’t find the incriminating evidence yourself on Google it’s because they are in cahoots with the old bugger.
      
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      June 25, 2021 7:05pm
- SB2
  
  MW, I dont think anyone can take Jonnneova really seriously much like Tony Heller and Anthony Watts
  
  The Australian or ABC for example ar far more credible and reliable sources
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Did you read the article, SB2?
    
    Because if you had just given it the slightest look-over you’d have discovered it is about an investigation published in “The Australian”
    
    Sharri Markson and Liam Mendes, The Australian
    
    The CSIRO has been forced to correct evidence it gave at a Senate estimates hearing after initially denying its researchers had undertaken work on live bats with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the lab at the centre of growing international concern it was the source of Covid-19. CSIRO chief operating officer Judi Zielke admitted the organisation had “undertaken research on bats previously”.
    
    “Australian Centre for Disease Preparedness did undertake research on bats in collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2016-17,” Ms Zielke said.
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:50pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      @Maggy
      You’re an intelligent woman. Why do you respond to the witterings of Kiwiblog’s Dumbest Commentator?
      
      For that matter, why do people even downtick the moron? Addictive behaviour?
      
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      June 25, 2021 7:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read “The Australian” editorial of today, SB2
    
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/editorials/gainoffunction-research-risks/news-story/4b4300cf9603d5a35666695d00e2da87
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:55pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    I don’t think anyone can take SB2 really seriously, much like most of the Labour Party and all of the Green Party.
    
    Under 4’s at a rural on-farm “Kindergarten” for example are far more credible and reliable sources.
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:10pm
    - Barbara
      
      Sorry, down vote to wrong person, and can’t change it seems.
      
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      June 25, 2021 4:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Diversion warning – diversion warning
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:43pm
    - Barbara
      
      “I don’t think anyone can take [any sceptics of corporate narratives] seriously.”
      Have to admit, far too many take seriously the opinion pieces published in the DomPost. I had to stop telling people I tried to have an orange or similar every day after the DP ran an article (a few days before the lockdown …) dissing vitamin C.
      
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      June 25, 2021 4:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Jo Nova
    https://joannenova.com.au
    
    She is a very good researcher and presenter. What journo’s ought to be.
    
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    June 25, 2021 7:17pm
CAKE FACE1

I wonder if the Greens MPs such as Golriz and Mexican guy will be prosecuted for hate speech for their anti-Semitic comments recently?
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June 25, 2021 9:39am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  No. We are all equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Golriz was a UN defence lawyer who defended those committing the genocide in Rwanda. She don’t tell you that bit, just the bit about being a UN defence lawyer. Sly one that
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:37pm
Gravelroad

Sheesh – just heard Matthew Hooton on newstalkzb with Kerre Woodham really put the boot in on the National Party.
I hope the Nats havn’t invested too much coin on getting advice from him in the lead up.
Don’t think I have ever heard such a hit job done on a political party.
Bitter.
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June 25, 2021 9:57am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They deserve it and I used to be an enthusiastic supporter.
  Go David Seymour.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:05am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Seymour is allowed a platform to split the vote. Has anyone heard anything from any other Act Party member? List members are typically inexperienced political hangers on. To be a practical Govt they have to show executive skill–rare in a list member. Even rarer in Labour and the Greens.
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:27am
- kowtow
  
  That’ll be on foot of his hit job in today’s Ferald , which also has a hit job from Clair Trevett on the “brutal national Mps” turning on poor dear Toddy .
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:13am
- Barbara
  
  Depends what he said. If he condemned National for its total failure to hold the government to account for:
  – All the measures to undermine property rights and turn us into a nation of rental apartment dwellers.
  – Signing the UN’s Compact on Regular Migration in order to facilitate the above
  – All the measure to convert pasture to pine, including selling off swathes of farmland overseas provided it’s converted to forestry, inevitably monoculture pine
  – All the child abusive education programmes.
  And for only making an issue about anything important (no, whinging about the borders doesn’t count), in order to steal ACT’s thunder …
  Well, National is fair game.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:20am
  - david
    
    Who is paying Hooton this time. He is a proven “gun for hire”
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:44pm
  - Paulus
    
    When will the ACT leader get into long trousers.
    He only spouts on selective anything to please the media and has no leadership skills, as he doesn’t need any.
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:11pm
- nathie
  
  Is Hooten upset because his mate Muller was called out by Judith Collins the other night?
  
  Does Hooten think it’s ok to have his mate Muller leak to the MSM, dissing the incoming Harete Hipango? Making National look like a bunch of leaking/disloyal clowns? Allowing the MSM to have field day writing stories after stories about them (and not in a good way)?
  
  Well good job Judith! Let’s also see the next leaker get the chop too!
  
  I would go further and have Muller leave National a lot sooner (than the 2023 election). Yes there will be a by-election, but as long as National selects a respected and well known candidate then what’s the harm?
  
  Muller’s thoughtless has caused National so much damage and dissing Harete Hipango was totally uncalled for. Why? Why did Muller think that’s a good thing to do?
  
  Muller is also tone deaf. When he did his coup last year the MSM gleefully noted the lack of Maori in his shadow cabinet (Bennett gone, only Bridges there) and rightly or wrongly he was portrayed as “stale, pale, male”. It’s identity politics nonsense of course, but the MSM’s headlines were on these sorts of issues – not National’s messaging! And Muller showed he could not stand up to it – just hopeless!
  
  With Muller leaking against Harete Hipango (again, why, is he a bully?), again he comes across being not very supportive of Maori. Yes identity/ethnic politics shouldn’t be prominent, but it is, unfortunately when it comes to MSM/messaging. It hurts National more than it helps them. It also shows Muller is a fool. So good riddance!
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:38am
- Isobar
  
  For whatever people may think of Hooton, one point he made really does ring true. In a week where the nats were given a raft of issues they could work with to get stuck into the government on, they couldnt even mount any sort of credible opposition as they were (again) too focused on themselves.
  
  They need to seriously heal their divisions and fast. Otherwise the next election will be here before they know it. I’m not sure Collins consolidating her power by forcing Smith and Muller out is going to bring the two sides together (Even though i am not a fan of either of them).
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:25pm
Captain Mainwaring

Another net gain for the gene pool.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300341841/man-in-dargaville-fatal-collision-walked-into-oncoming-traffic-on-unlit-road
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June 25, 2021 10:04am
- Happy1
  
  Captain, this was basically a bridge jumper situation. It simply isn’t right to make light of this young mans suicide. Show some humanity.
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:39pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Plus also, think of the driver… not their fault in the slightest and yet they’ll have to relive this vision in their memories forever. Sad all round.
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:00pm
CAKE FACE1

I just read the Cactus Kate column:

https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/06/pistols-need-to-be-fired-at-dawn-in.html

It’s hard to disagree with…

National are shameful…
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June 25, 2021 10:12am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Have National told their MP’s that journalists don’t have their interests at heart? Don’t ever expect, unless you own the presses, you can can have them present your opinion–they have their own. They may invent it as they will.
  Sometimes you may be fortunate to have a controlled message slip out via them but it’s a risky tactic. No MP should try it.
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.” – Thomas Sowell.
Seems to be working just fine in NZ
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June 25, 2021 10:15am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  “The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work.” Can you clarify please ? Is it the ideas that dont work, or the politcal left dont work? To me it appears that nether work. I’ll keep saying this, the fundmental problem in NZ is that those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A few key words. Poverdy, houses, trees, cycle bridge, masks, flu vacs.
    Got the idea?
    
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    June 25, 2021 10:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think the wording is confusing. Sowell was not saying the left do not work, he is saying the leftist ideology does not work
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:40pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

two interesting observations today:
1) New location of interest in Wellington is the mens public toilet at Wellingotn Airport regarding the Covid scare (lucky to have this government to save us – sarc). Peter Davis was seen at the Wellignton airport during the time in question – just saying.
2) Has anyone in media noticed or been able to figure out that the Government has spent more on feel good storys/paid advertorials about housing, than acute mental health care beds. Is that newsworthy?
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June 25, 2021 10:36am
Maggie Pie

Why is it, that certain members of the Green Party HATE this country sooo much?

What have we ever done to them….they weren’t even born here!
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June 25, 2021 10:38am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Part of a copycat attempt – they want to be like Ihan Omar and AOC in the US. And by “like” I mean dispised and reviled by those who want the best for NZ. They are doing well in achieving that goal.
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:49am
- nathie
  
  Exactly! The Green Party really picked a “winner” by having a foreign born person (GG), born in Iran (who are anti-West) as their foreign affairs and defence spokesperson.
  
  How can anyone take her seriously when she herself, and her country’s rulers, attack traditional Western values?
  
  It’s kind of like having someone born in North Korea as being their spokesperson – it would be a joke!
  
  Or were you talking about the privileged Mexican, of the invading Spanish colonialist’s decent (the ones that decimated the native indigenous populations), coming here to lecture us on race relations and racism?
  
  Or do were you talking about the American transport planner, who seems hell bent on wrecking NZ’s roading infrastructure, which is so critical in a country with hills and mountains and rivers emanating from them?
  
  Sheesh, it’s almost like they “hate” the Kiwi way of life, that they want to change it to what they want. How arrogant and rude! And just nuts!
  
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  June 25, 2021 10:53am
  - I remember when
    
    Oh Lord it’s hard to be positively humble when you’re negative in every way.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:43am
BAM

My prediction

Expect Todd Muller to become a bigger headache for National than Jamie Lee Ross.

Muller is out, but on his way out on his terms, he will not leave until the next election and will spend his time undermining the National party. He believes National is not going in the correct direction(climate change, Maori sovereignty), he will make it his political legacy to do his best to try and correct that.
If that means destroying the party so be it.

Egotistical narcissists like Muller cannot be reasoned with, the only option will be to waka jump the man and force a by-election.
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June 25, 2021 10:42am
- MCos
  
  I would guess that Todd Muller has a lot more support within the the National caucus than Ross, who had none.
  All we knew was that he’d resigned effect two years hence. (Nick Smith was gone by lunchtime)
  Now the circumstances that led up to his resignation are gradually being leaked & it’s not pretty with a certain amount of arse covering going on.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:22am
  - BAM
    
    I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to split the party.
    Which might actually be a good thing.
    In an MMP environment, the wets don’t have to be buddy-buddy with the conservatives, they can have their own party.
    
    Everyone having their own chamber is what it’s all about these days, fuck that sharing, considering other points of view lark.
    
    Just have to look at Reddit, 138,000 echo chambers about single topics, that’s how people think and interact these days it’s all very binary.
    
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    June 25, 2021 11:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Muller may well be right about National not being as expressive as he would like. I know of no previous Opposition being so hemmed in by media bribery.
  
  Judith has plenty of skill and nous. I suspect she is riding the waves at present as the govt is self destructing. Hiding major policy action which requires the prior consent of the nation is subversive. Eventually Labour will offend Maori too. Who gets the spoils from the proposed handover has yet to be decided. With 7 tribes some are going to seek more. Mere mere was a former way of settlement.
  Labour are so out of their depth they don’t know where the life boats are.
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:48pm
- Paulus
  
  In principle Muller is young enough to find another job, albeit he may be just thick.
  Whereas JLR may well find to be more untouchable when he appears in Court shortly.
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:16pm
Fletch

LOL, NFL ball player the very first to come out as gay to great applause, only for the libs to find out he voted for Trump is is a registered Republican… ?

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/jay-maxson/2021/06/24/hold-applause-nfls-gop-gay-hero-downgraded-zero

Funny to see them twist themselves into contortions.
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June 25, 2021 10:52am
- Batman
  
  Well getting hit in the head repeatedly has often been thought to cause damage to one’s brain capacity eh fletch ?
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:30pm
Maggie Pie

CCP TRENDING….

Wonder how many of our ‘Political Elite’ will attend this shindig?

Be interesting to see the photos when they hit the Social Pages.

https://twitter.com/C_M_Churchman/status/1408186601788755968
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June 25, 2021 11:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/nation-starts-stocking-up-on-f-15s-after-biden-says-youll-need-them-to-overthrow-the-government
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June 25, 2021 11:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not enough? You can also get an M1 Abrams Tank
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:24am
- Fidel Cashflow
  
  While the article is satire, like all satire it is based in truth. Biden actually said this. Why are his actions and his words so incongruous to the claim that he gained more votes than any other candidate in history?
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Dems are that stupid they believe anything Biden says, even if the are incapable of understanding it
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:44pm
slightlyrighty

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/06/they-say-we-want-revolution-but-do-we.html

Chris Trotter, on point…
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June 25, 2021 11:27am
- oldfella
  
  SR, Trotter suggests Cindy and co have misread the room. I agree.
  Hopefully, this blinkered arrogance will trigger enough pushback to drive them into the wilderness.
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:22pm
I remember when

CDC safety group say there’s a likely link between rare heart inflammation in young people after Covid shot.
. Roughly 300 million shots have been administered as at 11 June, the agency said.
. There have been more than 1200 cases of a myocarditis or pericarditis mostly in people 30 or under who have received Pfizer or Moderna Covid-19 vaccine, according to CDC data.
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June 25, 2021 11:36am
Steve Todd

Regular Kiwibloggers will recall that yesterday, I posted an article titled “America’s Red-Blue Vaccine Divide”, which showed that vaccination rates in Red states were well below that of Blue states, and which suggested reasons for that.

Well, folks, here’s proof of one of those reasons, “that Trump lied and downplayed COVID because he feared it would foil his reelection […].”
It’s all laid out in this article: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300341821/covid19-inside-the-extraordinary-effort-to-save-donald-trump-from-virus.

Trump’s disgraceful behaviour early last October when he had “the virus” is a contributing reason as to why Red-state voters are noticeably less inclined to be vaccinated than Blue-state voters.

Like it or not, the mid- to long-term consequences of Trump’s behaviour may well play out over the next few years.
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June 25, 2021 11:38am
- burt
  
  That crazy Trump eh, remember when he was so crazy he said the virus escaped from a lab… good times laughing at his crazy conspiracy theories.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:40am
- Tall Man
  
  Let it go man, you’re making yourself look a tad silly.
  
  “Supposition” is not fact and “stuff” wouldn’t know the truth is it bit them on the arse.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:48am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Not nearly as silly as you made yourself look yesterday.
    
    Fancy taking as a personal insult, my opinion that Red-state voters were idiots for not vaccinating because Biden is the president.
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:58pm
    - Batman
      
      While Steve O and TM seek to put their fingers in their ears, the data doesn’t lie!
      
      The majority of cases are in Trump voting counties with lower vaccination rates. In a few weeks this will lead to more deaths in those counties.
      
      https://twitter.com/charles_gaba/status/1408225530671890440?s=19
      
      ? NEW: With Missouri apparently being the first state to see a major #DeltaVariant surge, I decided to run a SECOND county-level scatter plot to compare vaccination levels (left) versus new cases per 1,000 residents (since June 1st). Yowza. https://t.co/mD856nNsdT
      
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      June 25, 2021 1:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Be good if there were more results other than just Missouri. There are 50 States in the US in case you did not know.
        Very selective, Batman
        
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        June 25, 2021 2:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Take Alaska (the biggest State – Pop, 731,000. Covid cases 70,000. So 10% ove the people are infected with Covid? Pull the other one
        
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        June 25, 2021 2:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems Stuff repeated that from the Washington Post- a truly reliable source ….
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:08pm
  - doggone7
    
    I read in the Washington Post that Kevin Durant is in the U.S. men’s basketball team headed to the Tokyo Olympics.
    
    Since that source is not reliable where can I find who is in the team?
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

Has SB2 been deplatformed?
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June 25, 2021 11:39am
- burt
  
  Probably cancelled themselves for breaking the leftie code by having an unapproved opinion on something.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Nope.
  
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  June 25, 2021 11:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh sorry, just found him. Must have missed him before because he wasn’t saying anything important.
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never does
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:09pm
    - Jack5
      
      SB2 deplatformed?
      
      Sometimes I feel Stephie should be defenestrated.
      But no, he’s not even been deplatformed.
      
      He’s here and barking.
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:13pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        He’s here and barking mad.
        
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        June 25, 2021 5:29pm
bythesea

Newspaper audits for circulation came out.
The Press and Dom Post both down 15%.
ODT was -6%
NZ Herald did not return an audit ?!

http://newspaper.abc.org.nz//audit.html?org=npa&publicationid=%&mode=embargo&npa_admin=1&publicationtype=19&memberid=%&type=%
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June 25, 2021 11:42am
- Jack5
  
  Other falls in the Stuff stable: Southland Times down 20 per cent, Waikato Times down 19 per cent, Timaru Herald down 16 per cent.
  
  They’ll now increase Maori and Woke content because they obviously think that’s what subscribers want.
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:04pm
- curry4me
  
  bythesea: Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people. I wonder if they’ll take the hint and learn how to install solar panels?
  
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  June 25, 2021 9:44pm
I remember when

Wellington on Level 2 because of one covid case.
As Hitler said (was reputed to have said) about Stanley Graham, a case in the South Island now could close the whole country down.
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June 25, 2021 11:48am
- gravedodger
  
  That Community legend had a cable from Herr Hitler giving support to Stan Graham ” hold the South Island, invasion of the North underway”?
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:11pm
SmokerGuy

This PM is something else, absent on most issues but always willing to get the limelight for fluffy stories like this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300341835/live-prime-minister-delivers-soft-toys-from-neve-to-auckland-tornado-victims

FFS how about you actually DO YOUR JOB including controlling your useless, lazy and corrupt government MPs.

So frustrating the media keep publishing this shit yet fail so miserably to hold her to account over her governments many failures.
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June 25, 2021 11:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very silly of our PM to muddle up her role as a PM with her role as a mummy.
  
  I’m happy for the PM that she has a kind, thoughtful little daughter, but it’s not great to use your child for political capital.
  Her daughter deserves better than to be used as a pawn in big peoples’ games.
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:42pm
redflagged

Just reading up on the Government wants to make major changes to the laws governing hate speech in their announcement today

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/hate-speech-explainer-the-six-key-proposed-changes-government-wants-public-s-feedback-on.html

As I identify (and are) as a white colour skinned heterosexual male, under these proposed changes, people spouting the idea of “white privilege” should be charged under the changes to the law Labour are proposing. The changes add ‘stirring up’ as inciting racial disharmony along with its “attempts to normalise hatred” of specific groups of people.

So Stuff.co.nz business model is in trouble if these changes go through.

It would/should also be illegal to discriminate against people that don’t have certain group characteristics when it comes to job hiring such as government agencies recruiting for certain diversity quote reasons such as specifically employing/appointing women, maori or pacific island rather than the best person for the job which is real equality regardless of meeting a group discrimination identity/flavor.

Looking forward to it being tested to show that hate speech is just speech that the left don’t agree with.
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June 25, 2021 11:51am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I like the “incitement to discriminate” rule.
  Anyone claiming special treatment for Maori etc would fall foul of the law and go to jail.
  Yeah, right.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:07pm
  - burt
    
    Equally anyone using phrases like ‘white privilege’ or ‘pale stale male’ should also be in the clang.
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:24pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Terf, Cis, Pākehā
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:38pm
  - rockape
    
    How would seeking out Chinese names to blame for the housing crisis fit into this hate speech legislation?
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:47pm
- Yvette
  
  Hate speech: Govt plans new law, tougher penalties
  Associate Minister for Social Development and Employment Priyanca Radhakrishnan, who is leading the social cohesion programme, told a media conference this morning government wanted to build from existing Māori-Crown values.
  
  “We are not starting from scratch,” she said. “We are generally regarded as a country with a high level of social cohesion and we’ve seen that as our team of 5 million has largely come together to rally around both in the aftermath of March 15 and also during the Covid-19 lockdown.”
  
  However, she said there were underlying vulnerabilities that New Zealand needed to address as the country grew in diversity and that this effort would be grounded in the values of the Treaty of Waitangi and the Māori-Crown relationship. [1]
  
  I call “bullshit” on the term “team of 5 million” – immediately following the March 15 attacks most New Zealanders were shocked and showed sympathy and sorrow for those involved, but all doing this at the same time wasn’t anything really to do with teamship. And responding to covid, it appears the majority of people complied with requests because they were reasonable and logical steps to preserve our safety. “Team of 5 million” will surely only apply to “hate speech” if there is reasonable and logical arguments to support any laws.
  
  But an impertinent question – If “hate laws” relate to treatment of individual groups, why are Maori values being so lauded, as above, and will any voiced objection to this actually offend against the proposed laws?
  
  Making clearer what behaviour the law prohibits and increasing the consequences for breaking the law
  I would think a very precise definition of unlawful behaviour is required because – This proposal would increase the maximum penalty for the new criminal offence to three years imprisonment, or a fine of up to $50,000.
  So I challenge Jacinda Ardern to define “hate speech”, as her last attempt – when she identified the “threshold” between reasonable criticism and hate speech as: “When you see it you know it.” [2]
  and does the last phrase not mean “When I see it I know it.”
  
  [1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/445495/hate-speech-govt-plans-new-law-tougher-penalties
  [2] https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2101/S00098/graham-adams-will-ardern-back-away-from-new-hate-speech-laws.htm
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

I see where Jacinda has been back out visiting storm ravaged South Auckland residents who lost their homes in last weeks tornado, and handing out some of baby Neves old soft toys.
According to the report, Neve herself had requested her mum do it.
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June 25, 2021 12:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Careful Mags, you’re not supposed to bring family into it.
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, no family, even when you are taking the piss. The left never get humour
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  No wurries Cap…..whole story just popped up on twitter 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1408211877683896324
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:29pm
  - sooty
    
    Toys from the baby, mellowpuffs from the mum, whatmore do they need?
    
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    June 25, 2021 12:32pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  What a fantastic coincidence that there was “paid for” media there to report…….never let a good photo op go to waste. Lets ask Neve for advice about how to treat the family of the man who died at the container yard, and their need to be able to stay in NZ as part of their resident conditions was that their father has a job given they are migrant workers ? What say you Neve? More likely to get soem sense from her that either parent….
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pass the bucket. Oh no, maybe not. Everyone else is using it
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Didn’t she take along some crayfish too?
  
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  June 25, 2021 12:39pm
  - burt
    
    Mow their laws, do their dishes and hang out their washing?
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A PM’s work is never done ….
      
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      June 25, 2021 2:57pm
- Gravelroad
  
  No, don’t believe this.
  I have a 3.5 year old grandson.
  He has plenty of toys.
  Don’t suppose he would miss some if they disappeared.
  He’s bright enough but there is no way he would think he might give toys away to other children for some reason like a tornado.
  Three year olds just don’t think like this unless carefully coached and even then – doubtful that the concept would be understood and a credible choice made.
  Why can’t they let this child be a three-year-old rather than a social justice recruit?
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:49pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    ^^^This. Utter bullshit that a 3 year old would be thinking about anyone other than themselves. Ministry of truth at play.
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:01pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Smells like lies.
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:01pm
- lilman
  
  FFS, handing out toys,what a stupid person.
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:11pm
oldfella

Seems that Newshub had to do some tactful filming of the School Strike 4 Climate protests in 2019 when their main male news anchor, Mike McRoberts, abruptly – and against work policy – hopped into the front line with his then-teenage daughter, who was one of the co-organisers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/125078983/mike-mcroberts-on-going-vegan-and-following-his-daughter-to-the-protest-front-lines
So next time you see Mike McRoberts read a story on climate change, just remember he’s a ‘true believer’ so take the information with a grain of salt.
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June 25, 2021 12:29pm
CAKE FACE1

The Plan b proposal, of learning living with the Rona, is now completely unspeakable in NZ. You will be censored for suggesting it. It’s disgraceful.

The idea is so unspeakable, it has become the worst hate speech possible. Plan b is whispered as being the worst conspiracy theory in the world!

And yet – there are still many hospitalisations and deaths in the UK, with people who have had the vaccine. Rona is not going away.

The only politically correct opinion to hold on the Rona in NZ is that we should hide under our beds – forever.

NZ is a giant open air prison. Most want to keep it that way. CAKE respectfully objects!!!
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June 25, 2021 12:43pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I only partially agree with you. Yes covid will become endemic in New Zealand. But the vaccine will drastically reduce serious illness and deaths. I don’t think the PM understands that we cannot “eliminate” the virus.
  
  However you are wrong about the effectiveness of the vaccine in the UK. Since February, hospitalisations and deaths have plummeted.
  
  https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-admissions
  
  90 percent of hospitalisations were people who had not been vaccinated. I can only find 12 cases of fully vaccinated people dying of covid in the UK in the 5 months February to June. And this is from about 30 million people who have been fully vaccinated.
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:55pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    I suspect that it depends on how you count the deaths.
    
    Do people predominantly die WITH Rona, or do people die FROM Rona? My suspicion is its mainly the former.
    
    Vaccinated people still catch Rona, and vaccinated people still die (from their average three co-morbidities).
    
    The bottom line is – people will still die after vaccination, and their deaths could be attributed to Rona.
    
    I want the government to commit to opening the borders by the end of the year (when everyone who wants to be vaccinated has been).
    
    Obviously, I’d prefer vaccination was quicker, and open borders could come sooner, but the government is dragging things out, possibly on purpose…
    
    I suspect Ms Ardern is going to keep the borders shut, even after mass vaccination.
    
    This upsets me a great deal.
    
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    June 25, 2021 5:45pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “The bottom line is – people will still die after vaccination”
      
      Yes about 1 in 500 000. If you have better data let me know.
      
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      June 25, 2021 8:40pm
- MCos
  
  Do you want to live with covid-19 in exchange for the chance to go to some other country with open borders (can’t think of any offhand)?
  
  You can say what you like, of course. Down the years plenty of people have put forward unpopular opinions that have failed to hit the mark and thus far Plan B is another of those.
  
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  June 25, 2021 5:21pm
oldfella

Marie Dyhrberg over at the Daily Blog has an excellent article on false sexual accusations, and how things could get a lot worse for Kiwi blokes. #metoo anyone?
The Sexual Violence Bill now before Parliament is a travesty that strengthens the already strong arm of the state and subverts a central tenet of our legal system – the presumption of innocence. The bill’s aims are political: to appease rape activists by softening the trial process for complainants and to send more “perpetrators” to prison by making cases harder to defend.
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/06/25/guest-blog-marie-dyhrberg-qc-false-sexual-accusers-face-little-risk/
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June 25, 2021 12:47pm
oldfella

The way Chris Trotter is getting stuck into the left at the moment, I expect him to come out any day and tell us he’s transitioning to the political right. Not sure it would be National, but he might be a could pick-up for ACT. 😉
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2021/06/25/democratic-socialism-from-the-ground-up-not-in-neales-backyard/
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June 25, 2021 1:02pm
- hilaryt
  
  Neale with an ‘e’ should come with a health warning…
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:50pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…(Watch full screen / sound up)

For those who have been following Britney’s court battle with her dad over the conservatorship of her money, and whether or not she should be allowed to have her IUD removed……. bit of a ‘strange coincidence’ that this 3-year-old video has suddenly re-emerged wouldn’t you say?

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1408220898029719553
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June 25, 2021 1:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thankyou for that, but I have seen better at the Pink Pussycat
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:00pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNBww1RsPBc

Huge Losing Streak For Democrats!! Arizona Senate Passes “Signature Verification” Into Election Law!

Well, no legit signature, no vote. I guess you have to be alive too. Isn’t that ‘raycis’? [10:59]
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June 25, 2021 1:09pm
- Fletch
  
  Really, this is a no-brainer. How they could allow anyone to vote without checking signatures, or allow a vote where the signature doesn’t match the one on file is beyond me. It just shows how far common sense has given way to partisan rhetoric that it’s somehow cheating or racist not to allow every single vote to be counted.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:57pm
  - doggone7
    
    You reckon we should have signature checks, passport checks here?
    
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    June 25, 2021 2:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Those who are ‘bought’ will allow anything for a Dem win – and that is what happened.
    Batman in 3 2 1
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:02pm
  - MCos
    
    “How they could allow anyone to vote without checking signatures, or allow a vote where the signature doesn’t match the one on file is beyond me”
    
    What is it about NZ that this has never, and I mean NEVER, been an issue here.
    
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    June 25, 2021 4:57pm
  - curry4me
    
    Fletch: Yes, I agree. One needs ID for a lot of things in the USA, but not voting.
    
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    June 25, 2021 9:49pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y3CEdIbPnHE/

Parents 1 School Board 0.

Patriot Parents in Loudoun County are RISING as their cultural Marxist school board hides in retreat! In this video, we’re going to look at the amazing Loudoun County parents who are rising against their tyrannical school board, how the members of the school board retreated in absolute cowardice, and how the rise of patriot parents across the nation is guaranteeing that a renewed commitment to faith, family, and freedom is ultimately unstoppable! [10:51]
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June 25, 2021 1:10pm
- Batman
  
  ahhh yes, astroturfed talking points from the Heritage foundation and Tucker Carlson.
  
  Interesting that the disgruntled activists linking up with donors and friendly media never confess to being activists and party members.
  
  About as credible as if Lynn Prentice (off the top of my head) showed up on RNZ as a ‘concerned parent’ talking about how terrible National Standards were.
  
  This is nothing more than a moral panic using a few cherry picked examples which are hyped up into fear porn.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:48pm
- Fletch
  
  I think parents know that this is their last chance. This is endgame. If they don’t speak up and act now then it’s all over. Schools will be overrun with liberal politically correct nonsense to indoctrinate kids – cancel culture, woke ideology, climate change, critical race theory, and on and on.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well Fletch, some of those parents were indoctrinated 20 years ago – and know no better
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:05pm
Fletch

FDA in the U.S to add new warnings to its fact sheets for the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines over heart conditions myocarditis and pericarditis in vaccine recipients.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/23/fda-warning-moderna-pfizer-495717
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June 25, 2021 1:15pm
- burt
  
  I’m actually surprised that hadn’t already been picked up during the extensive clinical trials.
  
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  June 25, 2021 1:27pm
  - kevn
    
    @burt…. Of course the Pfizer jab is still having on-going clinical trials. There is another version out soon and an actual true vaccine in the pipeline from some other supplier.
    
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    June 25, 2021 1:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trials? You mean experiments?
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:05pm
- SB2
  
  This provides more accuracy and perspective,
  
  “FDA to add warning about rare heart inflammation to Pfizer, Moderna vaccines”
  
  June 23 (Reuters) – The U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Wednesday it plans to move quickly to add a warning about rare cases of heart inflammation in adolescents and young adults to fact sheets for the Pfizer/BioNTech (PFE.N), and Moderna (MRNA.O) COVID-19 vaccines.
  
  U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) advisory groups, meeting to discuss reported cases of the heart condition after vaccination, found the inflammation in adolescents and young adults is likely linked to the vaccines, but that the benefits of the shots appeared to clearly outweigh the risk…”
  
  https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-panel-review-heart-inflammation-cases-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-2021-06-23/
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:57pm
Fletch

Watch it before it gets banned (already been taken off Spotify and Soundcloud). A big dose of truth in a rap song…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ua1__XjxlE
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June 25, 2021 1:44pm
CAKE FACE1

I’ve believed for awhile that Ms Ardern is a fake, a phoney and a fraud. Of late, I’m beginning to believe that she is also a compulsive liar.

Here’s the latest news:

“She [Ms Ardern] has given some of the victims soft toys passed on by her daughter Neve, 3. She said Neve had heard about the tornado and wanted to give something to the affected families.”

I’m sorry, I don’t believe that this happened…

Btw, Ms Ardern bringing her 3 year old into the public arena for political gain is vomit inducing…
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June 25, 2021 2:39pm
- SB2
  
  Source, please?
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    Bit confused today, Stephie?
    
    “Sauce please” is what you and your mates usually say. It’s code for “please pass the khat”.
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:08pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300341835/auckland-tornado-prime-minister-delivers-soft-toys-to-victims-from-daughter-neve
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:14pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It really is best if politicians leave their families out of politics.
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You should refrain from responding to a troll A. But I know, sometimes you just have to point out stupidity!
      I think he was in the food hall at St Lukes Mall and wanted sauce.
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:58pm
- Nickc2
  
  Whilst Cindy thinks like a 3yo, her daughter doesn’t think like a PM looking for votes.
  
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  June 25, 2021 8:00pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

What sort of f,,,w.. government bans plastic straws, but sets up a New Zealand-wide ‘Needle Exchange Programme’ funded by The Ministry of Health?
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June 25, 2021 2:53pm
- SB2
  
  Comparing apples and orangesHer’s why,
  
  https://www.nznep.org.nz/about-us
  
  The needle exchange program was created to stop the spread of HIV/ AIDS HEP c et
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:01pm
- Tall Man
  
  As I said, false crap about mental health then promoting drug use.
  
  AFAIK you use it, you risk losing it.
  
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  June 25, 2021 6:40pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter’s in form on the revolution he sees Labour imposing on the country.

A taste:

Labour’s people are not only supremely confident that they are right, but also that they possess more than enough in the way of persuasive power to “sell” their revolution to their admittedly more hesitant compatriots. They will simply not be told that phasing out New Zealanders’ beloved utes and SUVs, and changing the country’s name to Aotearoa without bothering to hold a referendum (which John Key was careful enough to do in relation to the New Zealand flag) is not quite the same as “going hard and going early” on Covid-19. Kiwis rewarded Jacinda for keeping them safe. They may not be quite so inclined to vote for a party that makes them feel “deplorable” or, even worse, cancelled.

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/06/they-say-we-want-revolution-but-do-we.html
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June 25, 2021 2:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Radio NZ Charter up for review

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2106/S00206/have-your-say-on-an-inquiry-into-the-radio-new-zealand-charter.htm

2.1. Does RNZ currently provide reliable, independent, and freely accessible information?

2.2. Does RNZ programming effectively reflect New Zealand’s ethnic, cultural and artistic diversity?
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June 25, 2021 2:56pm
- SB2
  
  As to 2.1 and 2.2 we confidently say it does!
  
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  June 25, 2021 2:58pm
  - Jack5
    
    The “royal ‘we;” from the duty Stephieboy.
    
    Bat crazy!
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:06pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Jack5-
      So are you saying that the “we” is SB2 and Batman?
      Think carefully before answering!
      
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      June 25, 2021 3:51pm
  - gravedodger
    
    For thee maybe so and entirely acceptable, for moi however much of the discourse is far more closely aligned to socialism and marxism and not so favourable to capitalism and the inherent power of the market.
    
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    June 25, 2021 3:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They provide fake biased info, that’s a start
  
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  June 25, 2021 3:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Curb your patriarchy

India’s opinionated feminist and her viral wedding ad
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57563720
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June 25, 2021 3:17pm
Maggie Pie

Don’t know if Cindy watches CNN…but they just showed a promo for ‘Inside Africa’

Showed thousands of poor little black kids in the Congo, being beaten with sticks, made to use their bear hands to scrape minute quantities of COBALT from the ground …. for use in the manufacture of EV batteries!

Where’s Andrew Becroft when you need him?
Probably out swanning around in a ‘Model S’ 🙁
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June 25, 2021 3:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda watches CNN repeats on play school TV1. Then she asks about any other ‘news’ that does not involve NZ, other than puff bits about her in the World Media.
  Takes up most of her day you know. PM’s work is never done
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner reckons she should pack up the rest of Neve’s soft-toys and send them to the Congo.
    They’d be as much use to those kids over there as the ones she dropped off to South Auckland earlier today.
    
    SHEESH!!
    
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    June 25, 2021 4:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      She should send herself there, one way of course.
      
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      June 25, 2021 6:09pm
- cmm
  
  Friggin kids must harden up. We need our feebates!
  
  An EV needs about 10kg of cobalt. From what I read, cobalt or with a cobalt level of 0.6% is considered awesome, so let’s say the stuff the kids are pulling out is 0.5%. ie. 200kg of ore for 1kg or cobalt.
  
  That means the kids must pull out 2 tonnes of ore to make one EV. That will take them couple of weeks and perhaps earn them $10.
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    How many batteries does ardern’s Audi have? What’s the death rate per tonne collected? What’s the life expectancy of the kids that work there. Should be able to work out how many kids ardern has saved from African poverdy by killing them shouldn’t it.
    
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    June 25, 2021 6:13pm
Jack5

Police chief Andrew Coster wants fewer people charged with drug offences.

Coster may be the most Woke police boss in the developed world.

Or perhaps he’s trying to divert attention from Labour Government and police gutlessness against rising gang violence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/police-commissioner-andrew-coster-on-why-he-wants-fewer-people-charged-for-drug-use/I2S5X52RBA3YVUSJ5N6Q5ULALI/
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June 25, 2021 4:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Or perhaps” is correct.
  Waiting for the usual Friday 4.30 bullshit when all of the state sector employees have gone
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:11pm
- cmm
  
  Friggin cops need to learn their place in the “system”.
  
  Parliament: Make the laws. Decide what is an offence and what is not.
  Cops: Enforce the laws as they are decided in parliament. Grab the people who are breaking the laws and put them in front of the beak.
  Judges: Apply the laws and oversee finding people guilty (or not) and choosing a suitable corrective action (if required).
  
  We have a 3-tier system so that one part of the system can’t take over and determine the way people are handled. This only works when the people involved stay in their lanes. This is a fundamental part of democratic oversight (yeah, a fuddy-duddy Western construct).
  
  It is not for cops to decide what the laws should be or how they should be applied. They should stay in their bloody lane.
  
  It is not up to cops to decide whether or not drug taking should be legal or not. Under our laws, taking drugs is illegal and thus, your job is to nab them. If you don’t want to do your job then step aside and let someone else do it.
  
  Now of course Mr Coster is entitled to his own private opinions about drug use, but he is not entitled to decide whether or not to stop doing his duty.
  
  Mr Coster, I humbly submit that if you want to be part of the system then abide by the rules of the system. If you don’t like the system then go find another line of work. As they say, FIFO!
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:39pm
- Nickc2
  
  Coster is playing with himself. His job is to enforce the law, not make it or be part of it. It’s time to change hands Mr. Plod.
  
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  June 25, 2021 7:29pm
skyblue

My wife helping out Wellington re contract tracing. Apparently there are rona cases.
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June 25, 2021 4:26pm
- Barbara
  
  How many people sick? (“Testing positive” according an invalid process doesn’t count.)
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:42pm
  - skyblue
    
    She is working late phoning people.
    
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    June 25, 2021 5:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And there it is. Not from you skyblue, but the truth is dumped at (just before) 4.30 on Friday as usual.
  Why do I read that with a quiet voice? There is shit going down, just need to get this shit together and slam NZ.
  We can do this
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:49pm
krazykiwi

Horrible, and knowingly invoked: Number of children taking antidepressants hits all-time peak during pandemic

More than 27,000 children were prescribed antidepressants last year, the figures show, with numbers peaking during the first lockdown, and two thirds of cases involving girls.

Overall, the figure was 40 per cent higher than five years ago, when 19,739 children were prescribed such drugs.

Experts said growing numbers of children were being medicated, because waiting lists for help from psychologists and psychiatrists were too long.

Earlier this week, The Telegraph revealed waits of up to four years in some parts of the country, amid warnings that 1.5 million children will need mental health treatment as a direct result of the pandemic.
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June 25, 2021 4:26pm
- cmm
  
  I think we’ve only seen the thin end of the wedge so far.
  
  Just the social isolation & break down of wearing masks is huge – let alone anything else.
  
  We humans are naturally sociable and our lizard brain depends on seeing faces to determine trust and be empathetic to people. Masks take that all away.
  
  Then of course schooling, sports etc have been trashed and for many people those provide a sense of belonging/purpose/self-worth.
  
  It is no wonder that the USA is descending into anarchy.
  
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  June 25, 2021 4:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t believe it Krazy, my own GP tells me he has never had as many mental health patients in his years of practice, down to kids under 12.
  
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  June 25, 2021 5:35pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I am seeing much more fragile young people. There is a residual tension which makes decision making difficult.
    That shows in my clients. This must affect economic output.
    
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    June 25, 2021 7:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wellington Shitty again
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/125567666/raw-sewage-spills-onto-lambton-quay-covering-footpath
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June 25, 2021 5:05pm
- cmm
  
  But they had an awesome poi ceremony the other day and their Cycle Vision 2025 looks pretty cool on PowerPoint.
  
  Perhaps it is time to bring in a the same rules for councils as for kids:
  Kids, you only get to go play with your computer games once you’ve done your homework.
  Councils, you only get to play with cycle paths and cool stuff after you’ve delivered basic services.
  
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  June 25, 2021 5:12pm

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