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Happychappy

Police Minister accused Mongrel Mobs Harry Tam of glamorizing Gang life.
Police Minister Poto Williams has accused the organizer of a controversial drug rehab program of glamorizing gang life.
Just like all Labours problems and idiotic discussion making its every body elses fault never their own but the Police
Minister also defended the Government decision to give him $2.75

million in funding.
When are Labour and their Ministers going to stop defending the indefensible and admit the moment the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern got involved to fund the rehabilitation program Kahukura in Centra Hawkes Bay of $2.75
Million to the Organization running it that hold close links to the Mongrel Mob their was going to be a uproar and anyone with any sense should have known the moment the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern got involved and agreed to fund this program it was wrong and had double standards, but as usual its every body else’s fault and never Jacinda Ardern’s.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-minister-accuses-mongrel-mobs-harry-tam-glamourising-gang-life
If this had been Nationals decision the media would be shouting from the roof tops, but because its Labours our political corrupt media say its race baiting and scare mongering.
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July 19, 2021 8:00am
- Gravelroad
  
  I saw that Harry Tam interview on One news last night. Jeez, what a winner!
  Jack Tame looking solemn and concerned and Harry smirking as though he didn’t have a care in the world.
  Tame and Tamer.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:30am
  - graham
    
    You did better than me, actually watching it – my wife just hit the forward button to skip through.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:44am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @ Graham
      Didn’t see the whole interview which I believe was on earlier in the day.
      I just walked into the room and saw the face of Jack Tame and stopped to look.
      Thought, by his very pained expression, that something really big must have happened like his beloved Jacinda resigning – or something.
      That rascal Harry though – yep I’d be happy to invest a couple of $mil in him all right – no questions asked!
      Bwahahaha.
      
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      July 19, 2021 9:54am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You have to love Tui billboard generators…
    
    https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1416867291099107331
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:02am
Scott

Was the 2020 US presidential election stolen? Here are the findings from the Arizona audit, Maricopa County. Source – OAN network, Instagram account, Friday 16th of July.
– 74,243 more mail ballots received than mailed
– 11,000 voters added to the roles after election day that cast ballot in 2020
– 18,000 voters were dropped from the rolls following the election
– election server was hacked during the election
– remote access was available
– all access logs to the machines were wiped in March 2021
– original and duplicate ballots were not properly marked with serial numbers and cannot be verified. There is no way of knowing how many times a ballot was duplicated.
– the number of votes certified does not match the number of ballots sent to the audit.

Unfortunately it’s hard to find reporting on this because the mainstream media is happy that Trump has gone and Biden is president. But there is a lot of evidence building up that the result of the 2020 election is highly questionable!?
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July 19, 2021 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  batman will be along soon to tell us this is only half true, and the other half is justified because there is no butchering of the democratic process too extreme when the outcome is removal of Trump.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:40am
  - Batman
    
    You’re right about one thing Krazy, I am along shortly(ish).
    
    But sadly for you I’m here to ask why we would believe anything from the people who have no experience in election audits, hired partisans, and couldn’t open the right data files so claimed it had been hacked?
    
    Overall a big F grade for the idiots running this thing.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:21pm
    - theoldbloke
      
      Oh dear.
      There are actually 4 firms involved in the Audit.
      They are tasked with scanning and manually recounting the votes.
      
      So if you havent counted a vote before. Then Batman would say you are not qualified.
      I think most rational thinking people would say bollocks to that.
      How many people hired for election night counting were not “experienced” and partisan.
      
      Loved the throw away line about could not open a file so called it hacked. Got a reference for that then have we?
      
      My logical brain says there will have been some screw ups in 2.1 million votes.
      But all the “”officials”” say there were no irregularities.????
      
      The political division is rife in the world.
      So what ever the truth of electioneering the “wronged” side of the argument will declare it was all dodgy.
      
      Sort of like NZ, when the PM tells porkies, her supporters just dismiss that as a minor media mistake and that she continues to walk on water.
      (in my personal view, the media pendulum, is starting to swing from Jacinda positive to Jacinda negative. Well Labour Government anyway.)
      
      So today when a retired mate of mine was complaining about the price of tomatoes I gently reminded him that he voted for it!
      
      Keep up the trolling Batman, always gives me pause for thort.
      
      Freedom of speech is what its all about!
      
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      July 19, 2021 4:01pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  “74,243 more mail ballots received than mailed”
  
  Isn’t that enough to tell you something’s not right? Whichever side you’re on?
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:47am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Maricopa County voter fraud summary ?
    
    -Yes 70k+ more mail ballots received than
    requested
    
    -10k voters added to the rolls AFTER
    election day that cast a ballot in 2020
    
    -Elections server was hacked during the
    election
    
    -Remote access was available
    
    -All access logs wiped in March 2021
    
    -Original and duplicate ballots were not
    marked and cannot be verified
    
    -The number of votes certified does not
    match the number of ballots sent to the
    audit
    
    Meanwhile Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger is panicking and putting the blame on his election officials after the initial disclosures from Fulton County.
    It’s pretty to watch ??
    And… #thebestisyettocome
    
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    July 19, 2021 4:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Try explaining the cyber enhancements to the ballot process where votes were re-allocated by computers in China and elsewhere from Trump to Biden.
  
  The USA intelligence had used similar practices and being aware set up a trap on election night to record it all. They have the info right down to the computer motherboard ID’s on each end of the transactions.
  Expect more.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:02am
  - artemisia
    
    There was a parallel IT audit done alongside the ballot audit. Actually this was the second IT audit, as Maricopa County also did one.
    
    Results very very different. But at least there are results that can be further examined, possibly in court.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:17pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The cyber interventions can be too with the actual addresses and transactional details (thousands of pages.)
      
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      July 19, 2021 6:05pm
- Rusty
  
  While I agree that Donald Trump was cheated of the elections yet unfortunately nothing is going to change the result. How could 70 million Americans vote for him and still lose?
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:30am
  - doggone7
    
    How could 70 million Americans vote for him and still lose?
    
    Um, because 81 million voted for the others= guy?
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:03pm
- Than
  
  OAN network, LOL. Nothing more need be said.
  
  Just give it up Scott. Your sad Orange Messiah lost, fair and square.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:50am
  - Batman
    
    Honestly, they report “news” from a joke network’s Instagram account, the network that helped pay for the bunk audit and pushed the lies behind it, and expect rational people to believe it?
    
    They are delusional. It would be funny if they weren’t willing helpers for a fascist’s authoritarian movement.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:16pm
- doggone7
  
  You forget the bit:
  – thousands of ballot forms had bamboo fibre in them proving they emanated from China
  – thousands of ballot forms were difficult to check because they were asleep having arrived in the middle of the night
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:02pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And in Georgia citizen review of scanned ballots from the bullshit official ‘risk limiting audit’ performed by apparently compromised election officials has so far found about 4000 votes were ‘erroneously’ added to Biden’s tally. This is from less than 10% of total Georgia votes looked at so far.
  
  And that is without accounting for any of the 10’s of thousands of illegal votes cast (likely to have favoured Biden heavily).
  
  Biden only ‘won’ Georgia by 11700. Seems highly likely that Trump in fact won Georgia.
  
  https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:6d8893ef-e22a-4c84-837f-7e9bf7b1336f#pageNum=1
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:03pm
  - Batman
    
    Citizen review?
    
    Let me take a wild guess that these citizens are red hat wearing Trump fans?
    
    Blow me over with a feather that they have ‘found’ the smoking gun hahaha
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:18pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Swing and a miss. Here’s a short interview with Garland Favorito who’s leading the Georgia effort – they’ve been pushing vote integrity issues against Republicans and Democrats for 20 years – including against the current Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (who selected Dominion voting systems to run their elections, so obvious conflict of interest), and his coverup of the fraud.
      
      https://atlantaciviccircle.org/2021/06/22/what-ive-learned-garland-favorito-election-integrity-activist/
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:36pm
Maggie Pie

CHROMOSOMES.

XX =Female

XY = Male

YYY = Delilah
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July 19, 2021 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  Did you hear the one about the trans Korean weight lifter ……
  
  Won Hung Lo.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:10am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/nz-olympic-team/300360902/tokyo-olympics-nz-set-to-have-a-flag-for-each-flagbearer-in-opening-ceremony-thanks-to-covid
    
    I see due to Covid Social Distancing rules, we may have 2 flags at the opening ceremony to cater for having both a male and a female flag bearer.
    
    I can happily give them a plan B that will only require 1 flag, and fulfill the Male and female requirement!
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:49pm
- SGA
  
  lol, but sadly many more people would probably have got that joke twenty-five years ago.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:17am
  - Harriet
    
    Yep – as it took me a few seconds to think it through and I’m 50.
    
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    July 19, 2021 11:52am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I went to the doctor and told her that two nights ago I dreamed of the green green grass of home. The next night I dreamed of Delilah. I wanted to know what was wrong with me. She said I had Tom Jones Syndrome.
  
  Tom Jones Syndrome? Is that rare?
  
  It’s not unusual.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:46am
Benedict Yu

Seriously this opinion piece sets a new record in absurdity.

“Māori heritage has incredible impact when telling the New Zealand story overseas. Covid-19 has particularly demonstrated the richness and value of te ao Māori, with principles such as kaitiakitanga, which we can apply not just to our businesses here in New Zealand, but also take to the world, demonstrating leadership on an international scale.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/125774425/closed-borders-doesnt-mean-closed-connections-with-the-world

We should ‘take to the world’ “te ao Māori, with principles such as kaitiakitanga”.

New Zealand does not much register in the world. And you won’t find anyone interested in kaitiakitanga. In fact 95 percent of New Zealanders would not know what that term means.

She also says that we should be applying a Maori view of the world to “our businesses”. There is no our businesses. I won’t be applying these Maori principles to my business. Because it would be absurd.

IMO everything in this opinion piece is a fiction. A fantasy divorced from the reality of New Zealand, let alone the world…

And this person shares a platform with the Prime Minister. And apparantly this is an example of the “Treaty driven” Foreign policy that is being promoted by the current Foreign Minister.

Sadly National is missing in action. The Opposition should come out strongly and call this out for the nonsense it is.
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July 19, 2021 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  Stuff make Goebbels look like a rank amateur.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:11am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    Yep, kind of knew it would be a $tuff story before seeing the link. Noble Maori good, white colonial oppressors bad. yadda, yadda, yadda….. Honestly, don’t read it, they are just woke churnalists beholden to their government paymasters. Their editor sits down with the PMs comms team every Monday morning to decide the agenda for the week.
    
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    July 19, 2021 11:32am
- graham
  
  Who has written this fantasy short story, Benedict?
  
  I won’t be visiting Stuff to find out, because like many Kiwibloggers I point blank refuse to browse to their website these days.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Ziena Jalil
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:24am
    - lifesgood
      
      Ans where does he/she come from?
      
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      July 19, 2021 9:31am
      - Jack5
        
        Ethnically Jalil’s a Fijian Indian.
        
        She’s also a former NZ Trade Commissioner to Singapore.
        
        Jalil would have kept her mouth shut about discrimination against Indians in Singapore.
        This is one of the milder reports of this:
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26832115
        
        She’s a former NZ Trade Commissioner to Singapore.
        
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        July 19, 2021 11:56am
      - Jack5
        
        Edit:
        
        Sorry for that repeated last sentence. Got cut off during editing. I was also going to add:
        
        Academically, Jalil comes from the same bullshit-communications world as Jacindarella.
        
        Jalil has a bachelor’s degree in communication studies from the former polytechnic, AUT, and was an NZ PR Institute “young ~~bullshitter~~ practitioner of the year”.
        
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        July 19, 2021 12:06pm
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    I did so you didn’t have to, so far 5 comments all negative and with double digit respect, has the worm turned?
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:59am
- Simon
  
  “Seriously this opinion piece sets a new record in absurdity.” Comrade check this out,
  
  As New Zealand’s central bank, we – the Reserve Bank- Te Pūtea Matua – are the kaitiaki (guardian) of Aotearoa’s economy and financial system. Through our Te Ao Māori (Māori world) strategy, we are building relationships with tangata whenua to influence the long-term economic well-being of Aotearoa. The strategy is intended as an evolving and transformative journey that will bring together the many threads that already exist within our approach and extend them in new directions.
  
  In 2019, we visited and engaged with 11 Māori organisations during annual business intelligence visits and 20+ (circa) on other issues. Their views and perspectives have helped inform monetary policy decisions, the future of cash and the bank capital review.
  
  https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/about-us/te-ao-maori-strategy
  
  “the kaitiaki” Kaitiaki is Maori for wanker.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:16am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    With so few real words it hard to communicate post 1835 in Maori.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:05am
- Yvette
  
  Kaitiakitanga – to guard
  The word tiaki is the basis of the longer word kaitiakitanga. Tiaki means to guard. It also means to preserve, foster, protect and shelter. So, notions of care and protection are at the heart of kaitiakitanga, and give it its conservation ethic. – Google
  
  conservation – noun [mass noun]
  1 prevention of wasteful use of a resource
  • preservation, protection, or restoration of the natural environment and of wildlife: [with modifier] : nature conservation.
  • preservation and repair of archaeological, historical, and cultural sites and artefacts: the artworks in the collection need indexing and conservation. – also Google
  
  So,where is the fucking mystery?
  – given that Google uses the English “conservation ethic” to describe what kaitiakitanga is.
  
  We should ‘take to the world’ “te ao Māori, with principles such as kaitiakitanga,
  Only if you have a different agenda in mind – like endeavouring to apply ‘kaitiakitanga’ to the Maori language and culture, while pretending it is something else compared to what the world already knows.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Stick to English for modern communication.
    Te Ao Maori has a lot of spiritual matter attached–a no go place.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:08am
    - Jack5
      
      Kevin, but what about the Maori indigenous religion promoted in Government departments and local bodies?
      
      How do staff of some religions feel about this. For example, are Muslims happy performing indigenous incantations?
      
      Here’s an example of it at the Auckland City Council:
      
      https://governance.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/14-ceremonies-and-other-conventions/customary-m%C4%81ori-ceremonies/karakia/
      
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      July 19, 2021 12:19pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Karakia are not innocuous. Calling on any foreign spirit is highly dangerous as you have effectively given it permission to take you over. You don’t have to believe in such either, it’s the participation that counts. They hide behind deceit and can cause severe mental disturbance.
        I won’t go into all the details. I have had to deal with them after getting a little enthusiastic in removing some. I have subsequently been involved in ministry.
        
        There is more unseen in this world than we can imagine. The simple acceptance and worship of our triune creator God as revealed in Jesus Christ is both proper and rewarding.
        
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        July 19, 2021 6:15pm
- John Pakes
  
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  Thanks for providing the link to the Stuff report that you are quoting from.
  It made it very easy for me to see that you have, caused I suspect by your racism towards Maori and Pacifica, as usual quoted but one part of an article that points out how we stand out in and are different from many other nations in the Indo-Pacific.
  I would invite all readers to link to the Stuff report and read the truth, not just your opinion of it.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:21am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Hi John: I read it and Benedict was absolutely correct in the way he has characterised the article. It’s a pity that all you can fall back on is your default position of ‘racism’ when you can’t actually present arguments in support of the article’s views or against Benedict’s opinion. You really will have to do better than that. But C- at least for effort.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:38am
    - John Pakes
      
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      Through what coloured glasses Nukuleka?
      For example, the reference to Maori attitudes occupied only a fraction of the entire article, yet Benedict chooses to focus on only that. Can’t see how that can possibly mean that he gave an accurate account of the article.
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:07am
      - Jack5
        
        Perhaps the bias is yours, John Pakes.
        
        Take the statement by Zalil:
        
        … Covid-19 has particularly demonstrated the richness and value of te ao Maori, with principles such as kaitiakitanga.
        
        In boasting about New Zealand’s performance against Covid-19 and attributing it to Maori culture, she is jumping ahead.
        
        With our internationally low vaccination rate, we are not out of the pandemic woods yet.
        
        Also, I’m not sure you can talk about a policy of caring so confidently when we have race-based vaccination priorities, with Maori and other Polynesians at the front of the queue.
        
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        July 19, 2021 12:32pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And just like a bad smell, here’s Pakes to tell us once again where we’re going wrong with our thinking.
    
    Gee it must be amazing to be you, John, and know everything.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:31am
  - Than
    
    I have read the article. The vast majority of it is just feel-good waffle, using many words to say virtually nothing. To the very limited extent it does try to actually make a point, Benedict Yu’s summation accurately reflects the gist of it.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:05pm
- Frank the tank
  
  “Ziena Jalil is an independent director, strategic consultant, and diversity, equity and inclusion advocate”.
  
  Says it all
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:26am
- Paulus
  
  But calling for it to come out strongly does not fit the subject as the media don’t even know what it means but will be told what to do by Ardern’s office media Monday meeting.
  Only another just over 2 years of this sordid scam.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:28am
- Homas
  
  I wonder if applying the Maori worldview to business means having a client for dinner – Lecter styles?
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Maori worldview to business means going from success to failure, blaming it on another race, and getting subsidised by another race to do it all over again whilst insisting the race subsidising the reset changes its culture, beliefs and attitude toward the race that failed.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:56am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Maori worldview also encompasses a Chief with his mere exacting utu or exercising property rights after battle including removing former occupiers.
      
      There are Maori out there would bring this all back under the heading tikanga (culture).
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:12am
- Swifty
  
  Her whole business (as an inclusion and diversity ‘expert’) relies on her preaching and peddling this guff. This babble.
  
  NZ, and NZers, has had a reputation on the world stage as ‘honest brokers’, and ‘straight shooters’ since before the First World War and particularly since. I don’t believe there was much in evidence of kaitiakitanga nor Te ao Maori in the legion of examples of post war trade rounds and negotiations, UN peace negotiations and settlements, UN Security Council negotiations and resolutions and the like where NZers participated and punched above their weight in.
  
  The author also neglected to mention that no single force in world history has brought more international connectedness and goodwill than has free enterprise and free trade. You’d think we have been living in a hermit kingdom for the last few centuries until Allbirds came along recently.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:34am
  - Homas
    
    To me, it beggars belief that she makes a song and dance about NZ’s standing in the transparency and democracy stakes, and all the while seeks to undermine the sanctity of the rule of law, from which that standing is entirely derived.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:28am
    - Swifty
      
      Indeed.
      
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      July 19, 2021 9:54am
- Prince
  
  Really ? You think there are votes for National by saying ‘No one cares about NZ. We are nothing to the world. There is nothing unique here. And Maori culture is irrelevant.’
  Suggest you set up your own party and see where that takes you.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:42am
  - Jack5
    
    Cultural uniqueness isn’t a magic path to economic success.
    
    The giant statues of Easter Island haven’t done much for modern-day Easter Islanders.
    
    People go into dangerous parts of Africa to get a glimpse of a gorilla in the wild, but who goes to the Congo Republic to look at the culture of the Pygmy peoples.
    
    If they do go to the Congo what they will most likely see are little Pygmy people who are hereditary slaves of Bantu people.
    
    (The world Black Lives Matter movement doesn’t care about little people.)
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Be realistic Benedict,
  
  If Ms Jalil wants her business to stay relevant in Aotearoa, then she has to integrate some Maoritanga into her reports and submissions.
  
  At least Ms Jalil has a wider perspective of NZ’s multicultural background than many opinion piece writers… and she makes a decent argument for ensuring that other voices are heard.
  
  Another asset we shouldn’t overlook is the quarter of our population who weren’t born in New Zealand. Our migrant community provides a wealth of international knowledge and connections, and the ability to amplify New Zealand stories offshore.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:05am
  - Yabster
    
    think the author is being very unrealistic Maggie: Most of world doesn’t know where NZ is let alone a concept from the people who first arrived here…
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I reckon Ms Jalil can handle herself in the wider world… she was our Trade Commissioner to Singapore.
      
      https://www.campaignasia.com/article/women-to-watch-2020-ziena-jalil-senateshj/463026
      
      But she is running a business in NZ and clearly recognizes the realities of dealing with the current zeitgeist.
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:03am
  - Nukuleka
    
    It’s simply meaningless verbiage, Maggy! Typical academic word-soup. String as many hi-falutin’ words together and pretend it all means something.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:41am
    - Swifty
      
      Monorail!
      
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      July 19, 2021 9:55am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Alas yes, Nukuleka. And because we are now Aotearoa rather than some Europeanised colony, throwing in a few obligatory Maori terms instead of using their English equivalents makes our thoughts and actions more profound and twice as unique.
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:32pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    So the people that matter most are, in order of importance:
    
    1. Maori
    2. Maori
    3. Maori
    4. Immigrants
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    12. Pakehas who settled and built this great nation.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:34am
  - Paulus
    
    I am hearing that there appear to be changes afoot whereby some Pacific Islanders are now wanting to include and call themselves Maori as they see it an advantage.
    We will see at the next census, if ever there is another one.
    
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    July 19, 2021 1:57pm
- Ehlana
  
  Meanwhile, back in 2019 anthropologists at Oxford identified seven moral rules found all around the world:
  help your family,
  help your group,
  return favours,
  be brave,
  defer to superiors,
  divide resources fairly, and
  respect others’ property.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:55am
Benedict Yu

I heard a story about Housing New Zealand yesterday. From a guy who I know is reliable and in a position to know these facts first hand.

Apparantly the government has directed Housing New Zealand to not evict tenants under any circumstances. So what are many doing? Stop paying rent. Tenants are tens of thousands of dollars in debt. They can’t be touched.

One story he told was amazing. There is a couple who have not paid rent on their state house for years. They owed tens of thousands of dollars. Tenancy manager goes around and notices a brand new SUV in the driveway. Questions the tenant.

Finally tenant comes clean and explains that they could not pay the rent on their state house because they needed the money for “the new house we are building”.
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July 19, 2021 8:05am
- Ronin
  
  So that’s a house *WE are building
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:13am
- John Pakes
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  As usual, anonymous information from an anonymous writer. Your story can be best described as incredible.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:24am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Believe what you like. My story relates first hand information. Of course I am not going to reveal my source because he would likely lose his job.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:28am
    - John Pakes
      
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      That is what they all say. You can reveal who you are though, no one will cause you any harm
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:08am
      - Swifty
        
        That’s a no no here.
        
        Don’t be a dick.
        
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        July 19, 2021 10:22am
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Bet if I put in an OIA to find out how many housing tenants were in arrears with their rent, my question would awaiting classification in 3 years time.
        The most open government ever.
        
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        July 19, 2021 10:38am
      - Inandout
        
        John, ‘pakes’ in Maori means package. Can we construe you are involved in the courier business?
        
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        July 19, 2021 1:31pm
    - Okahu
      
      Sorry Benedict but your credibility is up for doubt. A few days back you joined the angst welling here by telling the readership a Ford Ranger would attract an $8000 ‘Ute tax’. I thought that was a bit steep so looked it up. $2800. Not nothing, but evidence that you don’t always let facts get in the way of a good story.
      
      So, short of evidence, your anecdote gets an eyebrow lift and a ‘good story bro’.
      
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      July 19, 2021 11:08am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Thanks for the correction re the Ford Ranger surcharge. I am always happy to be corrected. I stand by my argument that the car surcharge is irritating and bad policy. And I do not set out to deceive. The account about the state housing tenant is as told to me by someone I trust. Could he be making it all up? Yes I guess that is possible.
        
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        July 19, 2021 11:59am
      - Dougal10
        
        It very much depends on the engine option in the ranger so you are not correct either.
        
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        July 19, 2021 1:01pm
      - Okahu
        
        Onya Benedict. Your timely admission of error stands you in good light. Might I just observe that your rush to relay this story, while it may have elements of truth, does nobody a service. It’s often the case that a story has two sides and we sure don’t know them from your telling.
        
        What we do know is there are some usual suspects that use tales such as yours as cover for their general observations of others failings based on their race or economic circumstance. ‘They’ are thieves and ‘they’ abuse ‘our’ generosity. Nearly always directed at ‘others’. The undefined they is the mother of bigotry.
        
        True, people can be pretty low, even wicked. Some neglect their partners, or kids or animals and believe themselves good upstanding blokes/gals. Others hide their tax responsibilities or target the state’s welfare system. Each robs us all.
        
        Experience tells us there are no universally good or bad types be they locals or immigrants or Maori or Pakeha, townies or rural folk, rich or poor.
        
        What is all too common is the need to depict others in such a way as to stoke prejudice and feed the ‘they’.
        
        If your story has merit it deserves a mention to someone with the ability to investigate and act. I believe there are numbers you can call, your MP will listen. Of course if you didn’t want to mention it you wouldn’t have.
        
        Oh, and anytime your story involves ‘apparently the government…’ there will be a way to find out. Questions to the relevant department or even in parliament if that’s what it takes. It would save having to use an ‘it could be true, I’ll leave it up to you to decide’ as a pillar of the story. That just invites the reader to fill the blanks with what best confirms their prejudice.
        
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        July 19, 2021 2:00pm
  - Nookin
    
    Presumably, by “incredible” you mean that no credence whatsoever can be put on the report and it should be dismissed out of hand. Is that based on an objective assessment or is that based on your built-in bias which enables you to determine credibility without further thought or information?
    What would you say if I reported that some years ago, a family, long-term beneficiaries, drew $1000 per week in benefits, received additional grants totaling $30,000 and managed to get a grant in order to fence a swimming pool at one of several properties that they owned and to put new tires on a two year old silver Chrysler saloon?
    
    Would you scoff at that and say that it is incredible?
    
    If not, why is Benedict’s example any less credible?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/opinion/3196575/Editorial-Cracking-down-on-the-benefit-bludgers
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:44am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      “Is that based on an objective assessment ”
      
      It’s based on Pakes believing with absolute certainty that he’s right, that he knows everything, and that you are wrong. There’s a name for that…
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:36am
    - LauraNorda
      
      Nookin, my Step Daughter to a tee. Doesn’t work, pulls in over $1,000 per week in benefits, is over $60,000 in debt to WINZ for food grants, and whatever she decides she needs etc, runs around in a late model Range Rover Sport, has WINZ pay for new tyres and flys around the country at will for weekends with friends.
      
      Having worked hard all our lives we find it hard to stomach as she definitely was not bought up to leech on society in such a way. But it is so easy to do with no consequences.
      
      So yes, there is no reason Benedict is not correct.
      
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      July 19, 2021 1:04pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The easiest way to find out if I am correct is to submit oia request for Tennant debt levels to Housing New Zealand each year for last five years.
        
        I appreciate the replies to my comment. In the future I will refrain from posting comments about anecdotes.
        
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        July 19, 2021 2:51pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Ben Yu, why should you be held to a higher standard than journalists I wonder, if it is clear the post is an anecdote it is fully as credible as the spinn from Government sources.
        
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        July 19, 2021 3:43pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        So, are you energised enough to fob her in? Because from the facts presented, it’s hard to believe that your step-daughter is receiving her entitlements and not a penny more.
        
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        July 19, 2021 4:14pm
  - I remember when
    
    Does Tova depend on anonymous information from anonymous writers.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:53am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Nope. And no journalist does
      
      Just because the media doesn’t tell you who their source is doesn’t mean that they don’t know
      
      You might have noticed that journalists have a legal exemption from the requirement to disclose sources to the authorities
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:17am
    - alloytoo
      
      nah, there is a chance, however small, that the anonymous information from anonymous writers could disagree with her.
      
      Far easier to make it up herself.
      
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      July 19, 2021 12:16pm
    - Dougal10
      
      Nah she just makes it up on the fly.
      
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      July 19, 2021 1:03pm
- Yabster
  
  wouldn’t surprise anyone would it- the MSM won’t report it so not a problem…….
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    If it is created through a keyboard the MSM will report it if it has the right colour du jour.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:16am
- Swifty
  
  Doesn’t surprise me in the least.
  
  Two good mates are working there and have similar tales.
  
  We have created a moral hazard for ourselves and which some take great advantage of.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:41am
- artemisia
  
  As at 30 April this year 760 public housing tenants were paying market rent, almost all in state housing and a few in community housing. The household income* was sufficient for no taxpayer subsidy.
  
  National had a policy to formally review tenancies with market renters top of the list. Hundreds were moved on, into private rentals or home ownership.
  
  Labour cancelled the reviews, possibly a few exemptions they could not ignore. Like those moved from public housing into motels (for a while).
  
  * Household income is not always accurately reported. Trust me on this.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:42am
- Bobba Fret
  
  This needs to be backed up with facts and released to the media. If this is true, the whole state housing department needs to be audited / restructured.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:27am
  - artemisia
    
    Official monthly numbers ….
    
    As far as inaccurate household annual reporting to determine taxpayer subsidised rent …. No actual proof but not hard to have extra undisclosed occupants / income. Easy to avoid the data matching.
    
    (Worst I saw when I worked there – 22 people in a 2 bedroom state flat, many children.)
    
    https://www.hud.govt.nz/assets/News-and-Resources/Statistics-and-Research/Public-housing-reports/Monthly-updates/Monthly-update-April-2021.pdf
    
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    July 19, 2021 11:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Since when have the media required facts ?
    
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    July 19, 2021 11:17am
  - Ruawai
    
    If they kick them out of a house they will put them straight into a motel at twice the price, no personal responsibility or consequences for their actions.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:48pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  This doesn’t surprise me at all, and dovetails with a story Chris Lynch, formerly of NZME in Christchurch. reported last week on his website. According to a source from within MSD, staff has been told not to investigate benefit fraud, but to focus on Covid-19 payments instead. This has been confirmed by senior staff at MSD’s Head Office.
  
  This government has promoted a culture where there are no consequences for not complying with the rules, in order to appease unions, the Greens and beneficiary activist groups. Is it any wonder that respect for Police, for nurses, for teachers and for others in positions of authority is at such low levels?
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:33am
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying he’s got another substantial Prov Tax payment to make again at the end of next month, yet he still feels Jacinda doesn’t trust him 🙁
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July 19, 2021 8:12am
- John Pakes
  
  Why should she not trust him when he is paying substantial provisional tax? To my mind, a Prime Minister would love a person who is owning up and paying his taxes!
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    SWOOSSSSH!! 😀
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:13am
- Frank the tank
  
  Well someone has to pay for the mob’s pet projects.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:29am
- MCos
  
  What does your man do for a living?
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I work.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:14am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      In the immortal words of the B-52s:
      
      “Get a job? What for?”
      
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      July 19, 2021 4:17pm
- Jimbob
  
  Join the club, mines a monster.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:53am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You spelled mobster wrong
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:25pm
- pdm
  
  Does he trust Jacinda Maggie?
  
  I don’t.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:07am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Does IRD? Their haste to collect taxes not yet due for payment feels like they are going broke.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:18am
  - Ehlana
    
    With this government, we probably are going broke.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:06pm
Happychappy

The Productivity Commission wants to hear from the public about where it should focus inquiry on ensuring everyone gets a fair chance in life.
It’s been tasked by the Government with looking at how to break the cycle of persistent disadvantage and is seeking feedback on its terms of reference. Another Labour party stooge, Productively Commission Chair Gavesh Nana said many people were working hard on finding solutions to disadvantage – both in Government and out in the community- and the Commission wanted to make sure its work added Value.
More Corporate welfare to those on the Commission with this inquiry running through until November 2022.
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July 19, 2021 8:12am
- Happychappy
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/07/productivity-commission-asks-public-where-it-should-focus-inquiry-to-end-long-term-disadvantage.html
  This is the link to the above story.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:25am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol! just read that people can be disadvantaged “because they are born into disadvantaged circumstances”.
    
    Here’s another solution. Don’t have kids when you are disadvantaged and can’t afford them.
    
    I’d suggest that this commission are going to find that people who are not disadvantaged (because they are clever, probably educated, take personal responsibility for themselves, make good decisions etc) have to pay way more to help the disadvantaged be more advantaged.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    Tidy your room.
    Finish school.
    Get Married (before you reproduce).
    
    Two Sowell’s and a Jordan.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:23pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I have the solution already. Be happy with what you have and don’t covet other peoples shit.
  
  There. Sorted. And entirely free.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:13am
  - Happychappy
    
    I thought a quick look at generational welfare and exactly how many families that were using it might have been a great start, find them work and tell them this is the only way they will recieve income if they don’t take a job.
    
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    July 19, 2021 11:17am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Coveting other people’s shit is the primary driver for almost every industrial, commercial and technological advancement made in the history of man.
    
    Whether it’s doing better for your kids than you had it, whether it’s doing better than your old man, your siblings, your mates or your neighbour, the drive to get ahead and succeed is (thank TFSM) an innate component of every sentient being.
    
    Sadly this drive has been dissipated by poor parenting, poverty of ambition, laziness, and dependence on government handouts. While these factors are undoubtedly growing, there are still many of us who know the secret. Long may it continue.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:31pm
- tf78
  
  Happy, I find it advantageous to get out of bed in the morning. They could start there.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:14am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Start with the tough stuff, eh!
    
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    July 19, 2021 4:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  ensuring everyone gets a fair chance in life
  
  Look at the accommodation and treatment of State wards. After 40+ years they are still abusing children.
  
  It’s the attitudes of the prevailing govt that matter. Are they doers or talkers? The talkers allow others to play them while nothing effective happens.
  
  Did Bill English tolerate that? No. National understand that action marches to their drum. This is all being hidden at present while the media bribes are worked out.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:27am
- [email protected]
  
  One good start would be to make sure that kids go to school regularly. There must be a way to force parents to get their kids to stop being truants.
  
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  July 19, 2021 1:02pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    There are perfectly adequate laws to ensure just that. But they are routinely flouted and invariably ignored by this useless feckless spendthrift government.
    
    Just like the laws requiring tenants to pay their rent, and laws requiring those on the “Jobseeker Allowance” to be actually seeking, you know, jobs.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:33pm
  - tf78
    
    info – Boarding schools but not staffed by government appointment.
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:43pm
kevn

@Maggie… She sure needs him though.
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July 19, 2021 8:19am
Simon

Has anyone booked for their 3rd ro vaxx shot yet?
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July 19, 2021 8:19am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No, but #2 goes into my arm at lunchtime today.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:34am
  - Prince
    
    How did you manage that ? My wife and I are Group 3, she has some immunity issues. No invite yet – 9 working days to go until end of July although I’m sure some MoH drone is currently rewording the rollout ‘plan’.
    Do you have the number to ring to get special treatment ?
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:53am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m also Group Three, i.e. over 65 plus some immunity issues. Our business received an e-mail from the local DHB, I replied to the e-mail address given, and was given a date within 48 hours. I had the first jab on 10th June, because I had to wait a few days after my annual flu jab.
      
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      July 19, 2021 10:00am
    - oldfella
      
      Prince, don’t wait to be asked. Find the local number and ring to make an appointment. They can only say no!
      I’m in Tauranga, Group 3, and got both jabs without any problems.
      
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      July 19, 2021 11:04am
    - Flossie
      
      Finally got an invitation by text to phone this number for an appointment to get the jab about two weeks ago, so duly booked a date. A few days later a phone call… would I like to book in for a jab? Already done so, I replied, giving date, location and time. Oh the system isn’t showing that… Never mind we’ll amend that.
      Few days later, another phone call.. would you like to book….etc!
      Shambles
      
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      July 19, 2021 11:16am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Oh, Prince Prince Prince Prince Prince. Did you really fall into the trap of thinking it would be in July 2020?
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:35pm
  - pdm
    
    Wednesday afternoon for mrspdm and I.
    
    Deferred from 29 June due to no vaccine.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:54am
  - [email protected]
    
    Did you get the Phizer jab or the J&J jab?
    Do you get to know which?
    
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    July 19, 2021 1:06pm
    - Batman
      
      It’s only Pfizer at the moment. The J&J hasn’t actually been ordered just reserved.
      
      It also says on your card what you got, as I’m sure the Great Kiwis above who got vaccinated can attest to.
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:31pm
Yvette

Four paragraphs from “3 Waters” …
Partnership
12. DIA [Department of Internal Affairs] heard that it needs to ensure tangata whenua are embedded as Treaty Partners from the very start, including mana whenua representation at every table, on boards and anywhere decisions will be made. It is important DIA alongside iwi, hapū and Māori work through rights, interests and entity ownership and governance, so the Department can identify the roles and responsibilities of all, as Treaty Partners, at these levels.

Protection
20. Iwi also made many calls for protection of their rights, roles and responsibilities as tangata whenua. Iwi, hapū and Māori noted that they don’t want to see Taumata Arowai issuing permits to their wai. They want to see protection around their cultural assets, and how the service delivery arrangements will provide this.

25. An iwi attendee in Palmerston North noted that a rural marae in their rohe needs a waste water plant but has had to close because it can’t afford to invest in this. In support of this, there were calls for equitable registration fees from Taumata Arowai and for marae and papakāinga to have minimal, or preferably nil, fees. The new water services entities must also be designed in a way that enables better access to water services for rural/isolated marae and papakāinga that wish to be connected to these services.

26. In relation to entity design, they do not want to see catchments broken. There was a strong preference to adhere to the ‘ki uta ki tai’ [mountains to the sea] concept and ensure that the entity boundaries take this into account. Additionally, iwi, hapū and Māori do not want their whakapapa/iwi/hapū boundaries to be separated by the new entities.

– Three Waters Reform Programme and Taumata Arowai: Hui-ā-Motu Summary Report
https://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/Files/Three%20Waters%20Hui%20a%20Motu%20-%20Summary%20Report%202021/$file/Three%20Waters%20Hui%20a%20Motu%20-%20Summary%20Report%202021.pdf

Willie Jackson, after six months of consultation on whatever version of He Puapua he is touting to Maori “stakeholders”, will have a “national conversation” with the remainder majority of the country sometime next bloody year, but with “3 Waters” it seems the Hui-ā-Motu (discussion with Maori) has already happened. Next they appear to be bribing 67 different councils, who are supposed to be acting in the interests of the ratepayers they are meant to represent, but the order is: Maori “stakeholders, councils and then ordinary New Zealanders – if they get around to us.

And – With $1.5bn already allocated to the Three Waters Reform program, prime minister Jacinda Ardern said on Thursday that councils would be given $500m to cushion extra costs and another $2bn for future investment. – Guardian

So that is $ 4 billion already, not just the $2.5 billion many media headlines quote.
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July 19, 2021 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  I believe this ownership of resources from the mountains to the sea will cut through existing council resources thus making it impossible for councils to opt-out of the rort before it kicks off.
  It will also make it impossible for any future Govt to rescind the rort.Notice how this has been planned to coincide with
  the introduction of compulsory Maori Wards in local councils.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The promotion on three waters appears seditious. This is the framing for a coup.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:31am
- alloytoo
  
  I sure hope all of that will be translated in English.
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:32pm
Centrist

I see that the great Phillip Sherry has passed away. I was only a young nipper when he read the news, but I remember him from my childhood – a class act. Thoughts and prayers with the family.
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July 19, 2021 8:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed. He was an absolute professional, with immaculate diction, and his bulletins always delivered with authority, and without the need for live crosses to emphasise his words. How he must have despaired at the current crop of news presenters.
  
  My sincere condolences to his family, and his many friends in the industry.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:36am
Yabster

posted yesterday by another Kiwiblogger- worth a read:

https://www.nzcpr.com/apartheid-in-new-zealand/
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July 19, 2021 8:26am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Good on Maori for writing the laws in their favour the first chance they get.
  Western Civilization is dead in New Zealand. Hard luck, you should of had more children.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Is that what you think is happening? That maori are writing the laws? I’d have a closer look, if I were you.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:47pm
Simon

Is Ardern the dimmest PM ever? She is very average in the brains department and a closed adult life. Some people have the academic smarts others are street smart. Think NZ has had a mix of the two over the years. The best combination is brains and street smart. Think John Key, not an academic but he had brains and was street smart.

But Ardern she is just plain dim. Anyone worse?
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July 19, 2021 8:29am
- Nickc2
  
  DANGEROUSLY DIM!!!
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:34am
  - tf78
    
    Nick, “her mind is so open her brains are falling out”. (A quote I borrowed).
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:46pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Tough quesion Simon. Kirk, Rowling, Lange, Palmer, Moore, Clark were bright.
  Goff wasn’t the sharpest. Nope, I’d say that Ardern was the dumbest and the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime to date (Holyoake to Ardern). But never lose sight of the fact that everything is now dumbed down to sound bites and photo shoots. Woman with baby, woman with kindy kids, woman with furry pet, woman with soft toy, woman in designer frock etc. But hey, in due course, the reality of the situation will catch up with those that thought it was a good idea to vote for her, and their misery will be real. And no amount of feeling bad, sad faces or whining will help them. Karma is a bitch.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:23am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘But Ardern she is just plain dim. Anyone worse?’
  
  The National Party Caucus?
  To be fair, Labour’s is so stupid they don’t even reach Level required to be called Dim.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:34am
I remember when

Monday is “Freedom Day” in the UK.
Dr Helen Petousis-Harris says it grants a term of short-term freedom there, but is likely to extend the long-term sentence for the rest of the world.
The UK is pushing ahead despite loud and informed opposition from scientific and medical experts.
So what is the point in vaccination and why do the entire population of the world need to receive it?
What new and innovative ideas do the scientific and medical experts have?
When are they going to advise the rest of us about what they are and when they will happen?
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July 19, 2021 8:31am
- Frank the tank
  
  LOL. US and now the UK have done a middle finger salute to the covid cult. Europe will follow suit unless something drastic occurs.
  
  Hopefully in 2 months we can look back and the UK opening up is the equivalent of D-Day and the covid control gnomes like Petousis-Harris are forced back into their caves and troll bridges.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:08am
  - Batman
    
    The thousands dying per day in those counties be damned huh?
    
    I mean, they’re only unvaccinated Trump and Conservative voters. They won’t be needed come next election surely?
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:33pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Which counties would those be, BatBoy? Maricopa County?
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:48pm
  - MCos
    
    The UK hasn’t got much right so far since the start of this wretched pandemic.
    Even now only 54% of the population is fully vaccinated.
    
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    July 19, 2021 5:14pm
    - fernglas
      
      That’s because a large number are under age, and I’m not sure of the ethics of vaccinating a population whose risk from the vaccine is at least as high as from the virus, and because many others have refused, for religious, cultural or political reasons. Every adult Brit has been offered a vaccination. What more can you do? Sit around and wait for something that will never happen, or get on with life? I’ll be fucked if I am giving up my freedom to preserve some anti-vaxxer from the consequences of their decision, nor would I expect them to ask me to do so.
      
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      July 19, 2021 6:10pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I have to chuckle about the following information, especially in light of the latest news that LA is masking up again with increased Covid cases:
  
  “The most recent Kaiser poll helps illustrate that the vaccine hesitant group doesn’t really lean Republican. Just 20% of the group called themselves Republican with an additional 19% being independents who leaned Republican. The clear majority (61%) were not Republicans (41% said they were Democrats or Democratic leaning independents and 20% were either pure independents or undesignated).
  
  As one smartass pointed out:
  
  “Unless millions of toothless Republican rubes from the icky flyover hinterlands moved to Los Angeles in the last month, it would appear that a whole bunch of libs aren’t getting their vaccines either.”
  
  Not surprising from the crystal-worshipping neo-hippies of California.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:54pm
- tf78
  
  Irw – 47% of vaccinated people in the UK are testing positive for Covid.
  
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  July 19, 2021 3:47pm
  - Batman
    
    And? That means the virus doesn’t have many unvaccinated targets to choose from.
    
    The severity and rate of hospitalisation amongst vaccinated people is dramatically lower than those who haven’t got it.
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:58pm
  - fernglas
    
    Go back to school, tf78. 47% of positive cases have been vaccinated. That’s because the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting the virus, but is very successful at stopping yo getting sick and dying, and when most of the population is vaccinated, then of course there will be positives among the vaccinated
    
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    July 19, 2021 6:16pm
G152

Phillip Sherry died.
Last of the newsmen and (almost) unreported
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July 19, 2021 8:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  He was pre-keyboard interviewing.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:33am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Phillip Sherry, Dougal Stevenson and Bill Toft. NZBC. Magnificent news readers and all could speak properly. You didn’t get a job on TV if you said “gunna” or “poverdy” or “yous” or “cops” or didn’t round your vowels. RIP Phillip.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:32am
  - MCos
    
    I’ve never heard any newsreaders use those words, except Billy T James & he doesn’t count.
    
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    July 19, 2021 5:20pm
  - Scooter
    
    Or bin instead of been, courtesy of a comms graduate.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Isn’t Dougal still alive?
  
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  July 19, 2021 4:23pm
I remember when

It’s sure to work now that Labour is doing it:
NZ Farmers Weekly Letters:
“Dairy appeal sorely lacking:
The writer taught dairy trainees (15-16 year-olds who left school early) at the Waikato Polytech, before it was killed by NZQA units and bureaucracy.
Even then, decades ago, only 2 out of one class of 19 (who’s parents spent $600 on six month course) where still farming two years later.
Also interesting article in ‘North & South’ latest issue discussing reasons for farmworker ‘depression”.
What was the question – why do we need migrant workers.
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July 19, 2021 8:41am
- MCos
  
  I don’t know about elsewhere in NZ, but the diary farmers around Mid/South Canterbury use a lot of expat Filipino workers.
  From what I’ve been told some of the accommodation is not too flash and the money is marginal.
  Of course it depends a lot on the farmer.
  
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  July 19, 2021 5:41pm
I remember when

“Biden: Social media are “killing people” by failing to police ‘information on their platforms.’
Once again it’s someone else’s fault.
It’s a world-wide pandemic.
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July 19, 2021 8:45am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Of stupidity, I take it.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Did our Climate Commission exaggerate the risks of Climate Change to NZ?

A Tailrisk Economics review of the National Climate Change Risk Assessment (NCCRA) found that it grossly overstated climate change risks and that the assessments were based on poor quality evidence and analysis.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/the-national-climate-change-risk-assessment-a-case-of-science-denial?postId=120793e5-ec2c-483a-a25b-368371e3fb76
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July 19, 2021 8:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. But even if it had not exaggerated the risk, the economic analysis and the policy ideas are rubbish and ruinous.
  
  No doubt the government will listen to these criticisms, scrap the commission, and come up with an alternative plan.
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Commissions mis-statements are just what the govt wanted. They comply with the Great Reset.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:18am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy Wassilieff please see –
  Overseas expert hits Climate Commission’s accounting.
  The news comes as a non-profit coalition of more than 300 lawyers filed proceedings in the High Court against the commission and Climate Change Minister James Shaw.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/07/general_debate_06_july_2021.html#comment-2969929
  
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  July 19, 2021 8:57am
- OTGO
  
  On a trip to various parts of Europe in 2015 and spending a fair bit of time in bars and restaurants mingling with the locals, it became apparent that Europeans have been fed a lot of “climate change” and “welcome refugees” propaganda by the EU. I heard on the TV a mayor of some town in Germany and one of his constituents saying to the media that the recent flooding was caused by “man made climate change”.
  We are being lied to so often that the lies are now taken as truth.
  Shameful.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:07am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep OTGO, it’s like the ToW being a partnership. Repeat the lie often enough and it becomes gospel. That includes teaching the concept to our kids.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:49am
- Doc Holliday
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/the-national-climate-change-risk-assessment-a-case-of-science-denial?postId=120793e5-ec2c-483a-a25b-368371e3fb76
  
  Ian Harrison writes: “NIWA recently did a flooding risk study that showed flooding risk would actually fall as the climate got warmer.”
  
  How reassuring for those people in Germany, Westland, Marlborough…
  
  Clueless Klutz Clan!
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Still denying the Science eh ‘Doc’.
    So funny.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:32pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    But Doc how can we tax those Milankovich Cycles?
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:47pm
Rusty

Phillip Sherry has passed away aged 87. That so old school English voice of his when reading the news on tv divided some Kiwis on whether broadcasters should stop sounding like BBC clones and instead speak in their own lingo.

I like him but he wouldn’t get a job today on our tv news sounding like that.
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July 19, 2021 8:47am
- lifesgood
  
  It’s such a shame that the English language in NZ has become so bastardised. Oh for the days when newsreaders spoke beautifully and clearly. Simon Dallow speaks well but is so stupidly woke I refuse to watch him. Moron is the word that fits. Anyone who calls an Australian by the name of Andrew, Anaru, is beyond the pale.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:38am
  - graham
    
    I suspect Simon Dallow has been given little choice in the matter.
    
    The Crown’s Maori Language Strategy has set some pretty optimistic goals, such as having one million Kiwis speaking Maori by 2040. The proponents of the strategy have a vision where the Maori language has been normalised, is valued by all New Zealanders and considered a vital part of our culture. In their dreams, they see a future where Maori is spoken by children as they play, by you and I as we work, in the sporting arenas and shopping malls, where you will be able to sit down at any restaurant in New Zealand and order a meal in te reo Māori, or rock up to Bunnings and happily chat away to the staff in Maori as you discuss the merits of the various hammer drills on offer.
    
    Or, as the Crown’s Strategy for Māori Language Revitalisation, 2019–2023, puts it:
    
    Te reo Māori is an inherent part of New Zealand’s national identity, to be valued and used by wider Aotearoa New Zealand. Kia māhorahora te reo is the Crown’s vision, which expresses its role to ensure that New Zealanders use, learn and value te reo Māori. When this vision is achieved we expect that te reo Māori is a normal part of daily life for wider Aotearoa New Zealand where te reo is used by everyone, every day, every way and everywhere.
    
    And they are prepared to weigh in with some pretty serious resources and weight in order to achieve these lofty goals. They have made it very clear that broadcasters are expected to promote the Maori Language, and that the public sector is ‘expected’ (read ‘required – you WILL do this’) to actively increase the number of te reo Māori speakers in the public sector.
    
    As a state-owned broadcaster, you can bet that TVNZ will have been directed to substantially increase their use of Maori in their programming, and this will have been passed down to the presenters. They will have been told that they will be looked upon so much more favourably in reviews if they make a habit of using Maori in their reporting – in other words, your days are numbered if you don’t.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:58am
    - jon
      
      If only the Nats had the guts to SELL off TVNZ once they are back in Govt. Throw in the sale of Radio NZ as well.
      
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      July 19, 2021 11:36am
      - Jack5
        
        National also slept while, during its government, Wily Willie Jackson staged his coup merging Radio NZ with the 21-station, State-funded tribal radio network.
        
        This Maorified Radio NZ and moved it substantially to the left.
        
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        July 19, 2021 12:59pm
      - curry4me
        
        jon: I’d like to see them sell TVNZ to Fox, and cann all RNZ ‘news and commentary’.
        
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        July 19, 2021 2:04pm
      - Batman
        
        Just get all TVNZ staff hooked on meth then they would report the same bonkers stuff as Fox, job done!
        
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        July 19, 2021 2:10pm
  - Flossie
    
    I agree wholeheartedly lifesgood! Every time I hear that “anaru” I wonder “what’s Maori for Simon”. And I also wonder if Andrew minds…. I would most loudly object to having my name maorified.
    To be a little bit fair, how much is it Simon being woke, and how much is it his employers’ directives?
    
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    July 19, 2021 11:04am
    - graham
      
      As I wrote above, Flossie, I think you can count on Mr Dallow’s employers having made their expectations very clear … and they themselves will have had the ‘vision for the future’ explained to them by the minister.
      
      The Government believes it has a responsibility to ensure that New Zealanders use, learn and value te reo Māori, and furthermore expects that te reo Māori will become a normal part of daily life for the country where:
      
      te reo is used by everyone, every day, every way and everywhere.
      
      And one of the most important tools in any Government’s arsenal in imposing their vision on the citizens is state broadcasting.
      
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      July 19, 2021 11:43am
      - Flossie
        
        Thank you Graham. I had written my post before yours was put up.
        
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        July 19, 2021 12:12pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      what’s Maori for Simon”.
      Haimona
      
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      July 19, 2021 12:07pm
- Jack5
  
  I liked Phillip Sherry’s objectivity, his attempt at neutrality. On radio then on TV he appeared to be impartial.
  
  Later news readers often by smirks or tones added their own views.
  
  Sherry’s Received Pronunciation British English was very clear, but a little clipped. From this, one satiric columnist referred to him as Pip Sherry.
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:54pm
JibberJabber

https://www.facebook.com/rwatchman

The Right Watchman

The Government has issued the initial $9.6 million portion of its $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund – Māori projects at the forefront of the package, with major media players announced to receive the bulk of funding.
It was in February that Broadcasting Minister Kris Faafoi announced the three-year fund to ‘support democracy and ensure New Zealanders had access to trusted information’, sparking fears of political bias and the potential erasure of independent journalism.
NZME, Māori Television, Newshub and Pacific Media Network are expected to receive $2.4 million solely for the employment and training of ‘diverse’ journalists, with NZ on Air stating that 40% of funding would be allocated to Māori.
Newsroom, a source which has historically boasted independence, in addition to Stuff, with both receive approximately half-a-million for a podcast series.
Two podcast series will also receive funding in their telling of stories of ‘radical’ and ‘anarchic’ feminists, in addition to discussing the importance of ‘social change’ in New Zealand.

The next round of funding will be to specific roles within the sector, with applications due to close Thursday.

~~Public Interest Journalism Fund~~ Pravda Press Propaganda fund.

“support democracy” ?
Pravda is a Russian broadsheet newspaper, formerly the official newspaper of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
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July 19, 2021 8:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

For the last few years folks in in Westport have been warned of the flood danger from an overgrown and poorly maintained overflow channel and a gravel-filled river bed and lack of decent stop banks.

Council chief executive Mike Meehan said the working group had not yet decided on “the nitty gritty” solutions to the threat of the Buller River, but had discussed building more stopbanks or digging out more gravel.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/120221889/westports-sleeping-giant–a-town-with-a-century-to-move-away-from-the-buller-river
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July 19, 2021 8:55am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I see the predictable response today that the flood is caused by climate change. I think the Buller River has been flooding like that for at least 5,000 years.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And if anyone wants to spare the time, they can read 69 pages of West Coast Flood History from 1846-1989
    
    https://www.wcrc.govt.nz/repository/libraries/id:2459ikxj617q9ser65rr/hierarchy/Documents/Publications/Natural%20Hazard%20Reports/West%20Coast/West%20Coast%20River%20Flood%20History%201846%20-%201989%20J%20Benn%201990.pdf
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:09am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      As a born-and-bred Coaster, I take issue with the snide comments that imply things are a tad, shall we say, damp down that way.
      
      Why, I was in Greymouth quite recently for a week and it only rained twice – once for three days, and once for four days.
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:57pm
      - Jade Warrior
        
        Lodden – from one born-and-bred Coaster to another … I remember growing up in Hokitika and I recall one winter (think it was 1988) where it didn’t stop raining for six weeks – everything from drizzle to torrential rain – the wet stuff just kept coming!
        
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        July 19, 2021 4:56pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s where their alluvial gold comes from.
    
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    July 19, 2021 9:21am
  - Jade Warrior
    
    If you live on the West Coast of the South Island and there’s a river nearby, you have to accept that the river will periodically burst its banks. That’s what happens to rivers in an area of high rainfall.
    
    As for Westport, not only is the Buller River’s watershed extensive by New Zealand’s standards, a massive amount of water falls into its catchment area. Given the fact that Westport is a low-lying town about 4 metres above sea level clinging to the right bank of the Buller, I am surprised the town has not flooded more often than it has!
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:12am
Tall Man

This is a blog site well worth a look.

http://www.100days.co.nz/
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July 19, 2021 8:57am
- Yabster
  
  all hat and no cattle…
  
  https://www.facebook.com/583983198/videos/alan-jones-reports-on-nz/985565848650753/
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    There may be no cattle but there’s plenty of bullshit coming from them …
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:18pm
kowtow

Straight from the front lines of the struggle of the Cultural Revolution we have a report in the Ferald , behind a pay wall, that Maori in Counties Manukau are way below target for childhood measles vaccinations due to barrier to immunisation was an “inherently racist,failing and culturally incompetent ” health system.

Health workers are to be trained to counter “cultural microaggressions ,white privelige ,stereotyping and prejudice”.

Plunkett were the provider , it’s been taken from them till by year end “all Plunkett staff are expected to have completed ‘being a better Treaty partner’, the training to cover the impacts of colonisation , implicit bias ,racism and privelige’.

Plunkett says ” we are absolutely committed to addressing unconscious attitudes and uninformed beliefs among our staff. We are changing how we work with whanau Maori to acknowledge the inequities , bias and racism Maori have experienced right across the health system. Like most organisations we know we still have a lot to do”.

One hopes that Stalinist style self criticism will help keep them out of a prolonged stay at the gulag.

The other interesting thing is the graph that accompanies the story .

100 % “Asian” compliance .

Big drop in vaxxes mainly since Covid : amazing how all this racism , privelige , colonisation etc only kicked in a few months ago.
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July 19, 2021 8:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori are being deluded by their own activists. At least Pakeha children in the past were well cared for by Plunket. The notion that all mothers were expected to be part of the go-out-to-work group has put wrongful pressure on many.
  
  Maori have the ability to create their own child care groups but the govt no longer approves of any but what the Ministry promotes. As they are all hui and no doi we will wait for ever while they spend their pay credits.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:31am
  - Flossie
    
    A friend used to be a Plunket nurse. She visited many Maori families.
    
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    July 19, 2021 12:14pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They sure did.
      
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      July 19, 2021 6:18pm
Maggie Pie

Listening to Mike Yardley earlier filling in on ZB.
He had some crazy on the show saying….. “That Plunket founder Truby King, was nothing more than a harmful eugenicist white supremacist” 🙁

Couldn’t help but think to myself what a load of bollocks!!
I was a Plunket baby.
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July 19, 2021 9:01am
- tf78
  
  Plunket were life savers for me and my boys. Always gave good, practical advice.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:20am
- Okahu
  
  It certainly wouldn’t be fair to suggest that he was “nothing more than a harmful eugenicist white supremacist”. But the fact he was apparently ahead of his time in matters of infant welfare doesn’t mean he might not have harboured some other deeply unpleasant traits. I imagine the person making the claim has information about Truby King that makes their position seem fair to them.
  
  In a similar vein, there are many in the south of the US who revere General Lee and Stonewall Jackson. It matters only to them that they were, for a time, successful in military operations against the armies of the United States. These people choose to ignore that those generals took up arms in defence of the southern states ‘right’ to maintain their slave based economy. In doing so they became both traitors to their nation and warriors for the most despicable of causes. People are complex.
  
  I wonder what your correspondents reasons to throw such accusations at Truby King were?
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    ” People are complex”
    
    They are yet you choose to adopt an overly simplistic view of history, not neccessarily correct either.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    Okahu, the Woke are out to re-m0uld Western society, and part of that entails re-writing history, as is occurring in New Zealand right now, and attacking historic figures.
    
    Stonewall Jackson was a very good soldier, Napoleon was a tactical master, and Genghis Khan and Julius Caesar were awesome leaders. Nelson, Jellicoe and Korea’s Yi Sun-sin were brilliant naval leaders.
    
    The personal views of these men on non-tactical matters, the modes of behaviour and prejudices in their times, are now largely irrelevant.
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:54pm
- lifesgood
  
  I heard that and was absolutely disgusted. Maori are just plain too lazy to vaccinate their kids, there is no other explanation. I was brought up being told that Maori loved their families, I think I was lied to.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:41am
  - MCos
    
    That’s a bit nasty.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:27am
    - lifesgood
      
      If they loved their children they would vaccinate them.
      
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      July 19, 2021 2:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I was once an auditor of a local Plunket Society branch. They filled a very useful role. The Plunket Nurses were a mine of knowledge and gave practical care and re-assurance to many mothers both new and old. The Nurses themselves were widely experienced and a range of ages.
  
  They also brought the mothers together too and those groups were a highlight of my late wife’s life. Mental health for mothers is most important and Plunket filled that enormous hole. It was cheap at any cost. I’m sure other ethnic communities could have modified such a model for their own use. It was only basically care and love being worked out.
  
  The beliefs of Truby King are irrelevant. He brought practical medicines to those in need. Plunket remedies were excellent.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:41am
- MCos
  
  From Plunket’s own web site
  “ Sir Truby King played an important role in the founding of Plunket, however, he also held a number of views on eugenics, race, and women’s roles, which Whānau Āwhina Plunket fully rejects. We acknowledge that our own whakapapa includes a legacy which has caused harm to whānau Māori and apologise for their influence on some early Plunket policies and processes, and any harm these caused.”
  
  Times have changed since his day.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:51am
  - Ruawai
    
    George Floyd had several skeletons in his closet but he is revered as a god while King had a few ideas they don’t fit today’s world but he had a lot of good in him.
    
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    July 19, 2021 1:00pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    It was about 1974 and Plunket were fundraising for an extra room at Matamata. My father who had fathered eight children stepped up with $12,000 and said; Plunket have done great work.
    That was 47 years ago and I wonder whether he would have been so generous with an outfit named Whanau Awhina Plunket?
    $12,000 was decent dough in 1974.
    
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    July 19, 2021 10:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That is probably a fair assessment of Truby King (my very old high school history teacher made similar comments many decades ago)
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  All my children have been.
  
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  July 19, 2021 6:18pm
Inandout

Also on Mike Yardley, a man in Britain was convicted of ‘hate speech’ for whistling ‘Bob The Builder’. Has the UK gone completely mad, and is this what Jacinda has in store for us?
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July 19, 2021 9:22am
Local Miller

Did anyone see the puke inducing patsy interview Jack Tame had with Harry Tam? Really, the government friendly media earning their $105 million and helping Harry Tam and the gangs look like nice people.
Apparently gangs don’t sell drugs, it’s only individuals. The gangs don’t make money from drugs, they go to work, and it’s all because the gang members don’t trust others.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/q-and-a/clips/jacinda-trusts-me-why-don-t-you-gang-rehab-programme-director-asks
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July 19, 2021 9:23am
- graham
  
  Nope. When it popped up on the news last night we just skipped through it to the next story.
  
  Neither my wife nor I particularly enjoy watching criminals putting on an act when we know full well that behind closed doors they’re laughing at whitey’s gullibility.
  
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  July 19, 2021 9:53am
I remember when

SurveyMonkey Poll – 21/4/21-4/5/21:
“Covid-19 and Return to campus for college students:
* 9 in 10 of those already vaccinated feel safe attending in-person classes.
* 38% say they will feel “very safe”.
* 30% of already vaccinated students’ biggest worry about returning to class is contracting Covid-19.
Perhaps these figures give us an overview of public
perceptions.
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July 19, 2021 9:39am
- Tall Man
  
  And the worst thing is they are our future ….
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:44pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Its almost like the media has receved some more funding from Jacinda…. This needs an editorial warning lable https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/125688787/five-things-classless-cars

UTES are now classless according to the media…what a conincidence that the paymaster wants these UTES off the road.

I also note Stuff now references world leaders by political potiion. The Brazilian President is now referrred to as Right Wing, and no mention of the prior president communist who went to jail?

Can the media get any more shite in NZ ?
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July 19, 2021 9:51am
- Paulus
  
  Listen ye’all.
  Jacinda is just wonnefull and the saviour of our country – after all she is paying the media, – particularly the overseas ones, for it and our best needs.
  What are we going to do when she departs overseas for good hopefully.
  She is head and shoulders above the head’s of the world’s most famous leaders in recent centuries.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:28am
- Tall Man
  
  “Can the media get any more shite in NZ ?”
  
  Yep.
  
  Patience grasshopper ….
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:43pm
- MCos
  
  Even Bolsonaro would refer to himself as right wing.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:48pm
laika57

Did anyone listen to this Raewyn Rasch interview?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018804286/new-journalism-fund-s-first-projects-unveiled
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July 19, 2021 9:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No,
  but I’ve read the info on the RNZ website…and note that $300M has been spent on the Media this year
  
  and there’s another $20M in the pipeline;
  
  It is the biggest single public investment in journalism for decades and takes the total annual spend on media to over $300m. (There’s another $20m up his sleeve if Cabinet thinks the media need that too.)
  
  The trouble with RNZ is that it holds little attraction for the under 40 year olds….that’s half the population of NZ… and it’s very doubtful that there’s anything on offer to attract this cohort over to its airwaves.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018804286/new-journalism-fund-s-first-projects-unveiled
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:35am
- BeaB
  
  Utterly ridiculous to hear a public servant saying she ‘takes offence’ when any mere citizen has the temerity to disagree with her views on the Treaty etc.
  
  We just have to stop offending her and hurting the feelings of that nice human rights commissioner.
  
  Just shut up all of us and do as we are told.
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Nope … thank god.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:41pm
MCos

Katie Hopkins to be deported from Oz after being sacked by Channel 7 for flouting MIQ regulations and making smart arse comments about it on Instagram.

What a shame!

She certainly knows how to create publicity for herself, but she’s just too clever.
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July 19, 2021 10:13am
- kevn
  
  @MCos… Yep, she over-egged it on this occasion.
  
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  July 19, 2021 11:05am
Okahu

I’m starting to get on board with this demand for debate the National Party is running.

How about abortion? Has anybody noticed this government shows no inclination to have an extensive nationwide debate on that?! With pictures! I just know we have fury and righteousness on our side so that should be a winner!

And while we’re at it how about swimmable rivers? When did we all decide we wanted to swim where we never did before? Most of them a full of that ghastly rock snot anyway! And we all know all that shit has got to go somewhere! So let’s put that lefty greeny nonsense up for debate. A back of the envelope sort of figure reckons Palmy could give a years supply of coke to every kid if it didn’t bother trying to clean up the river. Every year! And the farmers! They could afford their new utes despite the hoax tax!

And guns! This bunch of fascists seems to think having a semi is unsafe when lots around here know if you aim properly, even full auto is bloody harmless and bloody fun!. How about we demand debate on that tyranny?

When you think of it, there’s so much fascinating ground Judith could make hay on!

I’m sure others will be keen to add to this list as I feel certain Judith or one of her minions keeps an eye on this right thinking blog!

And when we show the nation where we stand by winning those debates, power will be ours! Soon. Ish.
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July 19, 2021 10:28am
- Yabster
  
  I am fairly sure you wouldn’t have handled a semi ever Okie wokie……..
  
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  July 19, 2021 1:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  Grow up may be some good advice but then those that choose to be blind will never see.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:40pm
Ruawai

Have a look at this Herald article about low Maori measles vaccination rates. It states “a review concluded the barrier to immunisation is an “inherently racist, failing and culturally incompetent” health system.” and conclude the solution is to “recommended health workers get training to counter “cultural microaggressions, white privilege, stereotyping and prejudice”.
Amazing and no talk of personal responsibility for their children. There is also a graph showing high Asion rates of vaccinating and Maori vaccination rates dropping during covid, so not a racist problem and also fairly recent that Maori vax rates have dropped.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/exclusive-measles-warning-as-nappies-for-jabs-immunisation-scheme-fails/TS3D46KDVVNIGQOYQRSTHJYJSI/

[Paywalled. Mod.]
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July 19, 2021 10:35am
thirteenstars

The excuse being used by the Biden Administration colluding in censorship with Big Tech is that they don’t want Generation Z to be influenced by misinformation around COVID.

That’s a sickening sign of the times. Gen Z, dumbed down by getting its news and information via social media, now needs the protective hand of Big Government to weed out harmful thoughts.

Sounds like our own coming hate speech laws.
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July 19, 2021 10:47am
- Batman
  
  Unfortunately, antivax groups on Facebook existed long before covid, mostly natural organic mums and hippy loons, along with the truly paranoid.
  
  Thanks to covid and rampant disinformation from delusions like QAnon, Facebook boomers drove a massive increase in covid and vaccine conspiracy.
  
  Just look at the people who burnt down 5G towers (even when they weren’t 5G) because they read and believed that radio waves were spreading a virus.
  
  They’re now a real problem and yet Marky Mark does nothing about it because he’s all about the targeted adverts and keeping user numbers high.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:40pm
Maggie Pie

It’s all go in the Wild West again by the sound of it. LOL!!
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July 19, 2021 10:51am
Maggie Pie

And my partner has just re-tweeted…..

‘Look at this clown! We’re paying him 4Gs a week and he can’t even tie his own f**ing shoe laces’

https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1415868812960829441

😀 😀 😀
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July 19, 2021 11:13am
- Swifty
  
  Daljit Singh in yellow sweater?
  
  Sickening.
  
  If the MP for Tijuana had any sense he would not have involved himself in that photograph.
  
  As for Matt Robson – FFS. That’s about the tenth photo I’ve seen of them together.
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:31pm
- zulumonster
  
  Is there any conflict of interest for him with this part of what he is working on … “Amnesty for overstayers” ? Or is it just forward planning?
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:37pm
- Scooter
  
  As Mae West would say “is that a phone in your pocket or are you just happy to see me”
  
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  July 19, 2021 10:23pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/111355/new-zealand-owes-newly-formed-free-speech-union-debt-gratitude-commissioning-curia

FSU (Christ Trotter) on Curia’s poll. Will be interested in DF’s interpretation.
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July 19, 2021 11:37am
- Tall Man
  
  What these lefty fools don’t understand that at some stage there will be a change of government and all this stupidity can be easily turned back onto them.
  
  The thing is, those on the rights are far too busy making a living for themselves and the lazy ledt to be be overly concerned on what the other side is actually waffling about.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:37pm
  - Okahu
    
    Shorty, that was two paragraphs of surprising opinion. Ask around here the history of National lead governments turning back the progressive efforts of Labour. I’ll predict now it won’t be happy reading for you.
    
    But the real doozy was your second paragraph. You do realise you are participating in a forum almost exclusively “waffling” about the failings of “the other side”. As indeed are you.
    
    I like you! You funny!
    
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    July 19, 2021 5:33pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV_fsTf0Gl8
The great Russia-China decoupling has been set in motion by Putin.

Putin is putting China on the back burner. Russia is seeking friends elsewhere.
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July 19, 2021 11:53am
curry4me

Biggest Onshoring in US History Will Rebuild America’s Chip Industry: Fmr Under Sec. of State Krach. [17:45]

In 2020, the world’s largest and most advanced chip maker, #Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), announced a plan to build a 12 billion dollar plant in #Arizona. Where they will produce 3 nanometer #chips. This is the largest onshoring in #U.S. history. What is the full strategic meaning of this #onshoring for #America? The biggest onshoring in US history: #TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) will set off the rebuilding of America’s Chip industry, said former under secretary of State Keith Krach.
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July 19, 2021 11:53am
- Batman
  
  Rebuilding? It was never in decline to begin with, only gone up since the small scales of the 70s and 80s
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:42pm
  - Jack5
    
    From a McKinsey report in April:
    
    The United States is a world leader in chip design but has fallen behind on producing the next generation of seven- and five-nanometer chips; its share of global production capacity has fallen from 37 percent in 1990 to 10 percent today.
    
    You’ll find that in here:
    
    https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/americas/building-a-more-competitive-us-manufacturing-sector#
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:46pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrtZ0ZRI2Pg

Will DIDI Set Off US China Capital Market Decoupling? The Story Behind Didi’s Disastrous IPO.

China’s ride-sharing giant DIDI had a disastrous #IPO in the U.S.. Two days after #DIDI was listed on the New York Stock Exchange, the Cyberspace Administration of China (CAC) announced that Didi would be placed under cybersecurity review. During that review, new users would be banned from accessing the app. On Sunday, the CAC announced that the DIDI app would be removed from all #Chinese app stores. [10;06]
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July 19, 2021 11:54am
MCos

20% of Americans think the covid-19 vaccine is probably being used to implant a microchip.
https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1416882483224846337?s=21
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July 19, 2021 12:12pm
- alloytoo
  
  That’s ridiculous, MMR would be a far better delivery platform.
  
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  July 19, 2021 12:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  In 2020 53% if New Zealand voters though ardern was saving them … Now that’s stupid.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:32pm
Than

OK, this is Cancel Culture taken to a vindictive extreme; a push to cancel a person’s residency just because they disagree with his views.

The TL;DR version;

Mr Williams is a YouTuber who publishes content the woke describe as “far-right”. (Not having seen any of his videos I can’t comment on whether I’d agree with that description.)

Not content with having already had him fired from his job at Synlait via a petition, these truly nasty individuals are now pushing to further ruin his life by trying to get his residency cancelled.

These people are just utterly vile excuses for human beings.
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July 19, 2021 12:40pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Honest questions:
  How is saying that they’re trying to frame the He Puapua debate solely on the Maori view racist?
  How is calling Tukaki a trougher racist?
  How is calling someone who advocates The Maori Way and special treatment for Maori a Maori Supremacist racist?
  How is pointing out that that supremacist is more non-Maori than Maori racist?
  
  On the other hand, I’m pretty sure telling someone to F off back to their own country is considered quite racist.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:31pm
- Batman
  
  So you’ve not heard the evidence but decided he’s innocent?
  
  That’s not how any of this works mate.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:43pm
  - Than
    
    I’ve decided that holding a viewpoint and expressing it doesn’t merit being fired, and doesn’t merit being kicked out of the country.
    
    But sadly that doesn’t matter to the woke lynch-mobs with their digital pitchforks and torches.
    
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    July 19, 2021 6:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see American fat-activist Massey academic with the made-up name Cat Pause (to think she chose that herself) is moaning about super fat people such herself getting short changed by the health system due to regular needles not being long enough to penetrate her fat layer.

I wonder how she ever got residency, given the all-but-certain strain she will cause the public health budget. Starting with extra long needles.
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July 19, 2021 12:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  I think AEG have something that will work …..
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:30pm
Harriet

They just fired this from the army base in Shoal harbour QLD —- from the base’s golf course! 😎

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/us-patriot-missile-fires-for-first-time-in-australia/ar-AAMhoWg?ocid=msedgntp
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July 19, 2021 12:53pm
Jack5

It’s 1pm and General Debate has reached 180 posts.

Jacindarella has juiced up Kiwiblog. ?
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July 19, 2021 1:02pm
- doggone7
  
  One glorious thing about it is the usual contributions about “Stuff is crap, NZME is crap, all MSM is crap, never believe anything you read” abound. As do comments relying on something someone’s read in the media.
  
  The profound belief that “74,243 more mail ballots received than mailed” is true in it’s baldest sense, there’s no back story and the implications are as big as you want them to be. e.g. Trump got 74,243 more votes in that particular place.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Your post says more about you than you think.
    
    However, bringing you back to earth …. “Time for the lying to stop” …
    
    https://spectator.com.au/2021/06/time-for-the-lying-to-stop/
    
    Wouldn’t that be nice?
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:27pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That would be an interesting turn around, when in practically all cases uncovered to date the ‘errors’ and ‘mistakes’ favour Biden.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:39pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Forget imprisonment, SURELY it’s time again for capital punishment?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1416914331061690371
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July 19, 2021 1:19pm
- MrTips
  
  Agree 100% Maggie
  
  Did you know there are 32 statutes in Singapore that permit application of capital punishment? In fact, there are 4 statutes that leave judges with no OTHER option.
  
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  July 19, 2021 1:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, and i bet being a ‘cop killer’ is top of the list MrT.
    
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    July 19, 2021 2:19pm
Greg Ettridge

The staggering figures are 49% won’t have vaccine and 30% undecided.
So 79% don’t want or know they want to be vaccinated.
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July 19, 2021 1:28pm
- Ehlana
  
  Where are those figures from Greg?
  
  The current NZ figures seem to be from May, when 67% were definitely going to get it and 16% unsure but leaning toward. Which together is probably over 75% of the population, so comparable with child vaccination rates.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:21pm
MrTips

SotroviMab.

I doubt our MoH has even heard of it.

It’s a monoclonal antibody therapy that has recently received EUA clearance from the FDA as a treatment in mild to moderate COVID in high risk adults and pediatric patients.

Its a rather cool antibody therapy in that it derives from sophisticated deep mutational scanning of antibody binding sites that could be effective across the multiple variant mutations that coronaviruses undergo. In essence, they mapped where most of the mutations that escape antibody binding occur (and thus allow the virus to keep reproducing) and went searching for existing antibodies that resist this viral escape.

They found one, S2E12, that neutralises multiple SARS-COV-2 variants (including DELTA) and formed the basis for their PhIII COMET-ICE trial.

Very cool stuff and cause for optimism, if only we had an MoH that could read.
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July 19, 2021 1:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  Oh they can read, but only te reo stuuf as that is now the world’s authority on anything medical ….
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s something the group might find interesting…

A girl from tennis works for as a freelancer for a number of Ad Agencies. She was saying she did research over a three month period which showed that 84% of people who ask questions on ‘Trade Me’ listings… never place a bid!

In other words, the vast majority are just pains in the arse.
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July 19, 2021 1:46pm
- OTGO
  
  That has been my experience too MP. Some dickheads ask the most obvious of questions, sometimes when you’ve put the answer in the details. I treat them like lonely souls who just want to talk to someone. Anyone.
  I just recently sold a vehicle on TM and the buyer didn’t bother with asking questions on TM he instead rang me and after our chat he paid me online and drove 250k with his wife to come pick it up.
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly right OTGO!
    My partner sells a number of luxury vehicles on TM and has a policy of never answering a question if they haven’t already placed a bid.
    He reckons you can pretty much judge from the tone of the question, their location, and what they’ve bought previously, whether they are just time-wasting plebs.
    The silly thing is though, TM have the annoying policy of displaying ALL the questions whether you answer them or not….which can be a bit upsetting!
    Although often he goes in and asks some ridiculous questions if he sees someone else listing a similar vehicle to his. LOL!!
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:03pm
  - kevn
    
    @OTGO… Similar story. Car listed with plenty of decent photos on TradeMe/ phone call/ money transferred, sold for good money (full price). I was in mid North Island, buyer was from deep South island. Purchasers rellie turned up a week later and drove the car back. About a 1400 kms one way trip.
    Maybe my 100% positive feedback on 1500+ trades helped?
    
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    July 19, 2021 3:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Yet, Maggy, the questions sometimes throw up interesting points.
  
  The advertiser’s tone in answering is also relevant.
  
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  July 19, 2021 3:56pm
H. Upmann

Alternatively, the listing is poorly written and a question needs to be asked for clarity. I rarely go there but frequently when doing so, find information missing to fully describe the product including the obvious such as the model of the item.
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July 19, 2021 2:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Living up to your name then 😛
  
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  July 19, 2021 2:35pm
Paul Marsden

I could have told you that for nothing.
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July 19, 2021 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

The fab Katie Hopkins discovers new Covid variant while in MIQ….

https://instagram.com/p/CRdLgwkngZc/

You sooo gotta love this woman – even @jack couldn’t handle it 😛
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July 19, 2021 2:31pm
Swifty

CRT cartoon for kids:

https://leakedreality.com/video/17327/crt-cartoon-for-kids

And lefties complain about dancing cossacks.
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July 19, 2021 4:03pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Those dancing cossack advts worked. They were a reminder of creeping communism.
  Is there a similarity between 1972 and now?
  
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  July 19, 2021 6:22pm
Jack5

Watch out Jacindarella!

Scott Morrison’s approval ratings as Prime Minister have fallen because of Australian’s low Covid-19 vaccination rate.

According to a web tracker (second link below), New Zealand is at 11.6 per cent of the population fully vaccinated, and Australia is at 11 per cent.

Barely ahead of Australia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australian-pm-morrisons-approval-rating-slumps-slow-vaccine-rollout-2021-07-18/

Vaccination rates:

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/covid-19-vaccination-tracker/
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July 19, 2021 4:22pm
Maggie Pie

World population now exceeds 7.5 Billion….
just in case someone’s acting irreplaceable.
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July 19, 2021 5:32pm
- Jack5
  
  That’s a lot of carbon dioxide breathed into the atmosphere, Maggie Pie.
  
  Next, the Greens and the mad Swedish girl will be calling for nuclear war to save the planet.
  
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  July 20, 2021 12:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Did anyone stop and think about the Dems spending more time, media deflection and money on blocking audits than they did on the Biden Election Campaign?
Just saying
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July 19, 2021 5:49pm
- MCos
  
  No
  
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  July 19, 2021 6:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bit bigger than the NZ Tractor thing, you know, the thing…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnnC7Te9C7Y
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July 19, 2021 6:20pm
[email protected]

“Tax on all housing needed to fix ‘distortion of social fabric’ “.

Two university “experts” say that $1 billion could be raised by taxing the value of homes at the rate of term deposits in a bank. The first $1 million dollars of value would be exempt for your own home.

So this tax would be annually and in addition to your rates bill.

Does anyone think that there might be a few problems with this idea?

a) Rents will go up hugely.

b) Retired people with only super as an income will have serious financial problems.

c) The bank of Mom and Dad are going to have problems helping their kids get into a home,

d) How will this actually help those wanting to buy a house?

e) What happens to the incentive to work hard and get ahead financially?

This is a stupid idea in my opinion.
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July 19, 2021 6:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  e) keeps you in Government. Tax keeps the goose egg smaller and the …..
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  July 19, 2021 6:49pm
- PeeJay
  
  I must confess to having a bit of a raised eyebrow when I read the story. What i thought was interesting was the PWC partner offering CGT as an alternative – almost like a least worst option. Wonder if this has already got some buy in and it’s being tested? Can see the attraction for labour – lose complete control of the housing market and tax the rampant inflation caused. What could possibly go wrong? Dress the tax up as a levy, and redistribution from wealthy speculators? Could be an easy sell with MSM support.
  
  Worrying thing is this ‘no regard for consequences’ policy is exactly how they went about their last change to the market – and although relatively early days, that didn’t really work out as intended!
  
  Doubt they’d be that stupid to do this but they do seem to like testing themselves as to how stupid they can actually be – the ultimate ‘hold my beer’ challenge I guess!
  
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  July 19, 2021 7:39pm
  - fernglas
    
    What about a 10% sales tax on each housing purchase? It may not slow down price increases, but it will raise a shitload of money
    
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    July 19, 2021 8:16pm

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