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December 6, 2020 6:14pm
- Wired-one
  
  Good point
  
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  September 6, 2021 6:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    To be fair, it’s the only point.
    
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    September 6, 2021 7:09pm
krazykiwi

Last night I ‘met’ with a few long-time friends via Zoom. There was some excitement at the prospect of a ‘Level’ change being announced today. The things we will be able to do again were enthused over at length. It was a saddening conversation.

Somehow we have been nudged to accept the notion that fundamental freedoms are an arbitrary dispensation of the state.

Across the world once proud social democracies are descending down the bio-fascism rabbit hole. The ruling elite’s seemingly co-ordinated mantra of ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ has turned into threatened, punctuated or continuous multi-year house arrest for billions of people.

In Israel, Pfizer’s global lab rat, the people are discovering that the promise of double jabs to receive passport-assured freedom was a lie as they must now accept jabs continuously if they ever want to participate in civil society.

Not to be out done, our Aussie neighbours have trainee totalitarian leaders who want a slice of the action. Last week the NSW premier addressed her 8.2 million subjects, most of whom have been confined to their home for 9 weeks. Her message should have been chilling for anyone familiar with the history of oppression and genocide. She announced that once 70% of them had been vaccinated then freedom would be returned to the vaccinated alone.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” — C. S. Lewis

The threat facing society is not a tiny virus, but rather the rapidly metastasizing cancer of bio fascism. Based on our current trajectory, by the time enough people wake up to this illusionist-like performance it will be too late.
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September 6, 2021 8:00am
- Critical Thinker
  
  Here’s just some of the absolute insanity happening to our Ozzie cuzzies across the ditch.
  
  1. The government are building quarantine camps.
  
  2. They deployed the army to patrol the streets to lock people inside their homes.
  
  3. Unarmed civilians are shot with rubber bullets for protesting the insane lockdowns.
  
  4. Children are tear gassed by police for being in the protests.
  
  5. Citizens to be forced to download an app with facial recognition and location tracking. Police will require you to send photos of yourself randomly to prove your whereabouts.
  
  If you don’t reply within 15 minutes, police will knock on your door.
  
  6. A new surveillance law allows police to delete, modify and add files on your device and take over social media accounts without a judges warrant.
  
  7. Mothers were fined $1000 for talking with each other outdoors.
  
  8. A man was jailed for 8 months for organizing a protest against the government. He was arrested and sentenced in only 24 hours.
  
  9. Police have emergency powers to:
  
  – Break into any land, building or vehicle with any force necessary
  
  – Order people undergo medical exams, tests or treatments.
  
  – Prohibit people’s movement.
  
  – Put people in quarantine.
  
  – Force people to give info.
  
  10. Police patrolling children’s playgrounds to make sure kids aren’t playing.
  
  11. Don’t like any of this? Citizens aren’t even allowed to leave the country.
  
  If it can happen there, it can definitely happen here in New Zealand as well. So speak out now while you still can.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:16am
  - ABS4EVA
    
    Irish Republicans did everything they could to legally reform Australia and Found a Stable Democracy but it has reverted back to the British Slave Colony System
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Rebellion
    
    We swear by the Southern Cross to stand truly by each other and fight to defend our rights and liberties.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Marine_Division#/media/File:1st_Marine_Division_insignia.svg
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:47am
    - kowtow
      
      Irish republicans were only ever out to carve out their own fascist space. God help anyone who stood in their way.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:26am
      - ABS4EVA
        
        It might be Time for People like you to leave
        
        The British Empire has Collapsed
        The EU is collapsing
        
        If you or anyone else think the Irish Republic is over or Revolution is over in Ireland
        and the Irish are Finished in Ireland or abroad
        THINK AGAIN
        
        I say to my people’s masters: …
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        Beware of the thing that is coming, beware of the risen people,
        who shall take what ye would not give. Did ye think to conquer the people,
        Or that Law is stronger than life and than men's desire to be free?
        
        THE PATHETIC FREEDOM
        
        NEW ZEALAND once HAD
        
        Was only due to the American Pacific Fleet
        
        FOUNDED AGAIN by THE IRISH
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barry_(naval_officer)
        
        Your Country is a backward British Colonial
        BACK WATER
        
        Where the SHEEP love SHEEP
        more than FREEDOM
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:11pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I haven’t got time to go through each item, but (6) is a load of crap. Police access and monitoring of individual’s communication privacy can only be undertaken if:
    1. it is vital to a criminal investigation and
    2. A warrant has been obtained to do so.
    AFIK, we have the same laws applying to investigation/monitoring of persons deemed to be of criminal interest/intent.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:39am
    - Weetbix3ways
      
      Nope, they changed the law. Just last week was it?
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:03am
      - Aurelia
        
        The laws were also changed in the EU too. I remember last year when it was announced – no warrant required..
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:08pm
    - westernScientest
      
      That used to be their law, it has been changed very recently with the Surveillance Legislation Amendment (Identify and Disrupt) Bill 2020 which gives police the powers to modify, add to, copy, or delete data to “frustrate the commission of serious offenses online.” but does not require the formal charging of a crime to do so. Presumably this could easily be used under future hate speech laws.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:24am
      - SoloView
        
        Re Nickc2 comment (2)
        
        Here’s a link to the relevant legislation
        https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about-us/our-portfolios/national-security/lawful-access-telecommunications/surveillance-legislation-amendment-identify-and-disrupt-bill-2020/data-disruption-warrants
        
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        September 6, 2021 10:48am
      - Nickc2
        
        Data Disruption Warrants are still required.
        https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623
        The Bill has been passed as of 24 Aug by both houses. I particularly mention both houses because the Upper House is festooned with Greens and other Communist sympathizers masquerading as independents. It wouldn’t have got past them if there was any doubt whatsoever (actual or perceived) as to the requirement.
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:14am
      - westernScientest
        
        The data disruption warrant is only one option, the other is the network actvity warrant, which is a broad catch all, it does not apply to an individual, rather a network.
        
        In particular:
        
        Existing warrants, such as computer access warrants in the Surveillance Devices Act, allow the collection of evidence, rather than intelligence. Network activity warrants allow agencies to target criminal networks about which very little is known to discover the scope of the network and its offending. Network activity warrants provide a discovery tool that can be used in conjunction with other investigatory powers to further a single investigation.
        
        They are not warrants the way we would traditionally think of them. They could easily be applied to a Facebook group as a network, say an anti lockdown protest facebook group.
        
        https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6623
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:38am
      - Nickc2
        
        Here we go: Hipkins cant guarantee data harvesting in NZ’s Covid tracking system won’t be used for other putposes.
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/hipkins-backtracks-on-protecting-contact-tracing-data
        Note: Warrants are not required to harvest this data.
        
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        September 6, 2021 2:43pm
    - dcrane
      
      The FISA kangaroo court in America makes such “warrant” protections almost meaningless.
      
      Presumably the Aussies will be even better at kangaroo courts.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:53am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’d much rather face a kangaroo court in Aust than an appearance before Congress as a result of a FISA investigation (multi-US Security Agencies corruption, collaboration and involvement).
        
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        September 6, 2021 4:43pm
  - Bluegrass
    
    Australia is a federation of states over which the Federal govt has no control of these health issues.
    
    From what I read the Feds oppose the Draconian methods used by some of the state Premiers (the equivalent of our Governors here in the US) who seem to be way out of control – way worse than California and Michigan, for example.
    
    However, once 80% vax rate is hit the Feds have apparently threatened to withhold Federal money from those states which continue the pogrom against civil liberty and freedom.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:34am
    - kowtow
      
      Freedom can’t be about percentages .
      
      Surely it’s about principles.
      
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      September 6, 2021 1:35pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    And check this out:
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/breach-of-trust-police-using-qr-check-in-data-to-solve-crimes-20210903-p58om8.html
    
    Police accessing COVID tracer app check in data to track people down. This will have an absolutely chilling effect on people using the COVID app.
    
    Have Police in New Zealand promised not to do this?
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:42pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Have Police in New Zealand promised not to do this?
      
      Would you trust any soothing assertion from the police on this?
      
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      September 6, 2021 1:27pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Just in, a world view of the PM:
    https://www.infowars.com
    
    A scary cartoon by Ben Garrison.
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:29pm
  - Unity
    
    Which State/s are these things happening in Critical Thinker? I’ve just emailed family in Queensland and it isn’t happening there apart from wearing masks when going out to the shops, and the same in WA. I haven’t heard it’s happening in Victoria. Are you sure it isn’t a fairy tale?
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:36pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      NSW has been in hard lock-down for about 6 weeks I think. VIC is in a hard lock-down (including night curfew) and have had this shite for many many months on end. The only reprieve there was summer and autumn basically. WA is a much like NZ, the draw bridges are up in a big way. SA has had a few bouts of brief lock-downs I think. TAS has been quiet and pretty much lock-down free I think (it is a reasonably sparsely populated island after all). It now appears NSW is going to be drip fed small and gradual easings of their lock-downs once 80% double vaccinations have been achieved. VIC has promised some easings once 70% of first vaccinations have been achieved but knowing D Andrews those easings will likely be insignificant and infuriating.
      
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      September 6, 2021 3:45pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “6. A new surveillance law allows police to delete, modify and add files on your device and take over social media accounts without a judges warrant.”
    
    If you still have social media you are a dummy. So many things wrong with it in so many ways. Delete all that sh^& for both your sanity and your privacy. The creeps who run that stuff don’t deserve customers. Please stop supporting dystopian idiocy.
    
    If forced to be tracked on an app, buy a separate phone and ONLY use it for that app. Load it with all the crap/spyware/tracking blocking technology that you can.
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:56pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “1. The government are building quarantine camps.”
    
    I believe they are simply purpose built quarantine facilities. IE better than hotels for keeping the virus contained with infected people.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:20pm
    - Tony Quotes
      
      I have not downloaded the app onto my phone. I can usually walk past the QR codes without checking in — since the staff are usually as disinterested as I am — but if a staff member stops me, I sign in on the paper list with a bogus name and phone number.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:38pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “5. Citizens to be forced to download an app with facial recognition and location tracking. Police will require you to send photos of yourself randomly to prove your whereabouts.”
    
    That would be for where you are told to isolate (say. at home) for 2 weeks because you test positive. Because for so many bozos it’s tempting to “just go for a quick drive up to the bottle-o” and so on and because of the numbers of people involved, this is a solution.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    The madness of Australia’s Covid rules
    
    Australia was the subject of international mirth a couple of weeks back when the premier of my native Victoria, Daniel Andrews, appeared to tell citizens they must leave their mask on even if they are ‘getting on the beers’, as we say in these parts.
    
    Yes, Australia may have made international headlines for its rather tyrannical response to Covid – for firing rubber bullets at protesters, shooting rescue dogs and deploying the bomb squad to deal with teenagers at the beach. But, as Andrews reminds us, this tyranny is often taking an absurd form.
    
    Worth reading in full.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:39pm
  - Aurelia
    
    Quarantine camps, yep the US has been building FEMA camps for the last 10 years. Always wondered why and how they were going to force people into them.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:04pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
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  Seriously? Suggesting the NSW premier can be somehow likened to the perpetrators of genocide?
  
  I get it that you don’t agree with lockdowns, vaccination, etc.
  
  But that kind of outlandish suggestion is hardly conducive to sensible debate on the range of options that democratic governments have.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:17am
  - G152
    
    If it were a democracy as claimed why has there not been an election with the current situation being taken into account ????
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:21am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Good heavens Wayne – you demonstrate that you are a very poor student of history. We have in Australia, and to a lesser extent here, the embryonic repression that started the Russian revolution and the Nazi suppression, just to name 2.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:02am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Suggesting the NSW premier can be somehow likened to the perpetrators of genocide?
        
        They were Fascist totalitarians years before committing genocide. Even had they not done the latter they would still have been Fascist totalitarians.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:28am
    - Brian McDonald
      
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      There was an election last year in New Zealand so why to we need to look at aussie for a mandate?
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:19am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Be careful what you wish for! Do you seriously think an election now would have any other result than a historic landslide for Labour?
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:35am
      - Clownworld
        
        If Labour or National majority parties win or the Greens or Act or NZFirst or Maori party win the only difference will be slightly different colours of branding win. There is no meaningful difference all are globalists puppets.
        
        All want to control NZers, looking for which party says we will repeal all emergency temporary restrictions on your freedoms we have temporairly taken. ….. crickets…. No one.
        
        Which political party stands up and says we should stop the alarmist fear and live with the current situation? None.
        
        Which party promotes healthy living or medicines or other ways to protect people as well as the highly 100% effective vaccines?
        
        Which politican stands up for NZ freedom and rights? ….crickets…
        
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        September 6, 2021 10:11am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Clownworld (it certainly is at present), what is this “100% effective vaccine” of which you speak?
        
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        September 6, 2021 5:06pm
    - Isobar
      
      What would your criteria be for an election to be run?
      
      I am not sure having an election every 5 minutes would be great for democracy or good governance either.
      
      We did also have an election mid covid in 2020, which National actually advocated for delaying, this was in part actioned.
      
      Of course we know how that result went for National.
      
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      September 6, 2021 4:01pm
  - R
    
    Suggesting the NSW premier can be somehow likened to the perpetrators of genocide?
    
    I suggest re-reading the earlier comment because I fail to see what you obviously see. But then I’m not a defunct politician. 🙂
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You’re thinking of genocide while looking back at the aftermath of a past horror. But how did it start? According Gregory H. Stanton, the former Research Professor in Genocide Studies and Prevention at the George Mason University, stage one of all genocides is the Classification stage: “The differences between people are not respected. There is a division of ‘us’ and ‘them’ – German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi.” Or vaccinated and unvaccinated.
    
    Stage two is the Symbolisation stage: “To the classification, names or symbols are used to distinguish between people such as forcing Jewish people to wear the yellow star (and other symbols) under Nazi rule and the blue scarf for people to identify those the Khmer Rouge planned to murder.” Or vaccine passports to participate in normal life.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:26am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Krazy,
      
      No-one (apart from you) is suggesting that we are already on the slippery slope to genocide.
      
      Yes, lockdowns have restrictions, and yes I am getting tired of this one. However, I don’t ascribe to the idea that our governments (whether it would left as in NZ or right as in NSW) are on a slippery slope as you seem to think.
      
      In fact what I see is an understanding that this blanket approach is not sustainable in the long term. Hipkins has noted that, so did Judith on Q & A yesterday.
      
      Given that no likely government in Australia or NZ is just going to take a “let it rip” strategy, they are clearly looking for alternatives when the great bulk of the population is vaccinated. Of course I appreciate you are opposed to the vaccination strategy. Well, that is your right, you don’t have to get one. But most people will, I reckon between 80% and 90% of the eligible population.
      
      The real issue is what happens when most people are vaccinated, especially if there is an outbreak that is a definable cluster? Do you have a limited area (suburb) quarantine with decent monitoring?
      
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      September 6, 2021 8:46am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The real issue is what happens when most people are vaccinated, especially if there is an outbreak that is a definable cluster? Do you have a limited area (suburb) quarantine with decent monitoring?”
        
        All the notable experts in the UK, including the guy that led the Oxford vaccine development are clear that is impossible. The vaccines are very poor at preventing transmission. If New Zealand opens up, it will spread in the community. We will all get COVID. I am not being hyperbolic about that. It is based on looking at the emerging evidence about the virus AND the efficacy of vaccines since Day 1 of the pandemic.
        
        To repeat, Jacinda’s mantra that we will be able to “stamp out” clusters of COVID infection like measles is delusional.
        
        The vaccines are great – they will greatly reduce serious illness and death, but they will NOT stop COVID becoming endemic across the globe. It is that simple.
        
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        September 6, 2021 8:59am
      - westernScientest
        
        Its not that simple Benedict, say we open up in March, with 80% vacced. What happens to those boarder workers etc who were vacced last March? They probably wont have had an opportunity to get a booster, so the vaccines are way less effective in the areas where they are really needed, like the boarder and healthcare. Ok then, roll out the boosters, by the time that is done everyone else will need one and it will be the end of 2022.
        
        It is just a never ending cycle of importance.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:03am
      - Ra Henare
        
        As I am fond of saying.
        In the modern world anything being contemplated in politics has been done before/elsewhere.
        I am thinking Portugal for decriminalizing Drugs.
        
        Portugal also has one of the highest rates of Vaxs in the world over 83% 1 jab over 76% 2 jabbed.
        https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/portugal
        
        Yes they still have daily cases, yes they have deaths.
        But they have opened to vaxed tourists?
        
        Singapore also highly vaxed, Still have cases.
        But they are open to Visitors(Kiwis can pop over any time)
        
        So waiting for the “magic” 80-90% fully vaxed in NZ (hint-it aint gunna happen). To open up the country s we will be safe from covid, is a pipe dream.
        
        The next few months will be interesting for politics and Jacinda/Labour in particular.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The great problem with the Covid Vaccines is that they appear to have very short-term efficacy.
        
        6-9 months on from now, when everyone thinks they are vaccinated and SAFE, we may be in for a very long lockdown as our Government scrabbles around for booster vaccines and attempts another roll-out.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:16am
      - Scott
        
        Wayne – thank you so much for engaging in debate. It is good to hear the perspective of a former member of Parliament. While I don’t agree that we are on the path to genocide, I do think we have witnessed the massive expansion of the state in a way that is reminiscent of George Orwell’s 1984.
        
        Let us look at the objective conditions today and over the last year. Everyone has been confined to their homes. They are under virtual house arrest but have committed no crime. Everyone must account today for where they go and they must sign in. It is a fact that the government wants to know right now where everyone is and where they are shopping and where they are going.
        
        The population has been encouraged to report any of their fellow citizens breaking Covid rules to the police.
        
        The churches are now shut and if Michael Baker has his way will be shut for the indefinite future. The churches were closed last year over Easter, the first time in the history of this nation that Christian believers have not been able to worship together over the most sacred period of the Christian year.
        
        Most people are having their wages paid by the government. Most businesses are being subsidised by the government.
        
        Many other freedoms have been lost including the freedom to go to your own parents funeral.
        
        The Prime Minister appeared on television on a Tuesday and told everyone to go to their homes and stay there. She did not convene Parliament, she did not refer to any act of Parliament, she did it on the authority of herself and the cabinet.
        
        Can you not see that this is a huge expansion of state power? I have never been personally frightened of Covid, a virus from which over 99% of those afflicted recover. I am however deeply concerned about the loss of our liberty. The Prime Minister now believes that freedom is something that she can dispense. In the past we believe that our freedoms came from God. The National party was founded on the basis of freedom. Please remember this as you comment on these issues. Because freedom matters. It matters to those who came before us who built this great country. It matters to us today.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “They probably wont have had an opportunity to get a booster…..”
        
        That is not clear – the jury is still out on whether there will be boosters.
        
        Also so far the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness is holding up…
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:27am
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        This is frustrating.
        
        18 months in and still babbling about a magical strategy of locking down definable clusters, for an endemic virus.
        
        I suppose Cindy sucked you in. Here, everyone knows that your argument is proven nonsense.
        
        No more lockdowns. Let’s shield the old and frail as best we can.
        
        Your plan is impossible.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Scott
        
        Not only did our Dear PM tell us to go to our homes and remain close by… she specifically told us NOT to talk to neighbours
        
        “Stay local, do not congregate. Don’t talk to your neighbours.”
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300385012/covid19-what-a-move-to-alert-level-4-means-for-new-zealand
        
        Now, Hubby and I are law-abiding citizens, but at that point of our Dear PM’s speech, we both realised
        she had completely lost the plot and we would be ignoring her commands.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:46am
      - Ed Snack
        
        It is possible that some of the vaccines under development will prove to be significantly superior in preventing spread. The current mRNA vaccines are, at best, a form of treatment to reduce severity, though, depending on the age group, that possibly isn’t a universal advantage.
        
        And note that these vaccines do not prevent serious illness, plenty of people have become seriously ill and even died after being fully vaccinated, but it does appear to reduce one’s probability of developing severe symptoms, especially if over 50 years of age. It may also make it less likely for one to develop any symptoms at all.
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:20am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Regarding ‘boosters’ …
        
        ‘This is life from now on’: Israel’s coronavirus czar warns people to prepare for a ‘fourth injection’ of Covid vaccine
        
        Pfizer may be eyeing up Apple to overtake as the world most valuable company. They will need to be smart about this, securing a steady stream of willing shoulders. That, and not killing too many people too quickly.
        
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        September 6, 2021 3:01pm
  - Nick R
    
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    Sensible debate? On Kiwiblog??
    
    Thank you Wayne. At least I’ll have one good laugh today.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:37am
    - westernScientest
      
      maybe you should head on over to stuff and have a chat with Harri, he made millions in bitcoin dont you know, and thinks there should be a wealth tax on land, but not bitcoin obviously. Very sensible debate over there, give it a try
      
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      September 6, 2021 8:59am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Further, Wayne. Would you care to comment on ‘the range of options that democratic governments have’ in respect of Critical Thinker’s enumeration above?
    
    Would you be happy to see these ‘options’ implemented here? And remember, trying to suggest they’re acceptable because “National Would Do No Different™” is no justification.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:42am
    - lifesgood
      
      Scott. Great comment. I agree.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:38am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’m guessing Wayne doesn’t care to comment.
      
      Okahu, how about you? Noting your protestations of my ‘klaxons to alert us of your tyrannical forebodings’.
      
      Do any of the actions listed by Critical Thinker concern you?
      
      How do you feel about New Zealand mimicking Australia’s state/police/military treatment of its citizens?
      
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      September 6, 2021 3:11pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    On a slightly different tack, but a major contributing factor.
    I refer to the mantra..Follow the science..
    as well as .. listen to the experts.
    
    A distinguished ex Editor of the British Medical Journal(amongst other notables) doesnt believe the science any more after coming across peer reviewed papers where the trials didnt exist!!
    
    ……..extract
    Time to assume that health research is fraudulent until proven otherwise?
    July 5, 2021
    Health research is based on trust. Health professionals and journal editors reading the results of a clinical trial assume that the trial happened and that the results were honestly reported. But about 20% of the time, said Ben Mol, professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at Monash Health, they would be wrong. As I’ve been concerned about research fraud for 40 years, I wasn’t that surprised as many would be by this figure, but it led me to think that the time may have come to stop assuming that research actually happened and is honestly reported, and assume that the research is fraudulent until there is some evidence to support it having happened and been honestly reported. The Cochrane Collaboration, which purveys “trusted information,” has now taken a step in that direction.
    
    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:43am
  - Simon
    
    “Suggesting the NSW premier can be somehow likened to the perpetrators of genocide?”
    
    Genocide starts when the gubermint starts labelling a group of people as objectionable, unclean or harmful to wider society. They start to have lesser rights in society. They have to wear symbols and are excluded from certain services, employment & businesses. They are not sent to any death camps straight away. That comes much later. Genocide is a process that starts with a group of people being classified by the state as undesirable. You can see the hate directed by that NSW piece of shit. Thats where is starts.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:47am
  - doggone7
    
    Get off the grass Wayne. You know the site hardly claims in its reality to be the venue for presenting stuff conducive to sensible debate.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:13am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Shorter Wayne Mapp: if it were me I’d be doing exactly the same things
    
    How many more are there in the National Party who think like Wayne Mapp?
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:21am
    - thirteenstars
      
      No, no, Tom, your phrasing is slightly amiss.
      
      It should be: How many more are there in the National Party who *don’t* think like Wayne Mapp?
      
      Very few. Of course, Wayne has a bit of a head start having originally been a Labour man.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:04am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Most of them I should think.
      
      The Labour and National bands may have different uniforms and play different music, but they’re both marching us towards large state totalitarianism.
      
      Unperturbed by this reality, voters exercise their sacred triannual right to allow the uniform and music to be changed before resuming same march.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:17am
      - Michael Duke
        
        The music is not even all the different, differing arrangements of the same melody and lyrics at best.
        
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        September 6, 2021 10:53am
    - gravedodger
      
      That Tom is the really scary part?
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:19am
    - curry4me
      
      Tom Hunter: Tooo many. Thay’s why they’re called Labour Lite. Meanwhile,patriots in the US are making sure the GOP doesn’t revert to the RINO party any time soon.
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:44am
  - cmm
    
    I would agree that calling what we have genocide is over-egging the pudding… at the moment… and is unlikely to get all the way there.
    
    However it is certainly a few steps down the path:
    * Classification
    * Symbolisation
    * Discrimination
    * Dehumanisation
    * Organisation
    * Polarisation
    * Preperation
    * Persecution
    * Extermination
    
    Denial doesn’t really count as a step because that’s afterwards.
    
    Of those, at least classification, symbolisation, discrimination, organisation and polarisation are happening to an extent or are proposed for NZ.
    
    Persecution is happening to those that speak out – particularly academics.
    
    I’m not seeing any dehumanisation yet. Nor extermination.
    
    http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-stages-of-genocide/
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:24am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The dehumanization is certainly happening in US, and to lesser extent in Oz along tribal lines, deplorable, and rural urban divides
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:42am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I agree.
      
      Past genocides are looked back at with a lense on the horror of the killing.
      
      In truth the damage to a society starts at Step 1, and compounds through the remaining steps.
      
      The question for us is how quickly can the toxic process be arrested?
      
      I for one am looking across the ditch with incredulity as what is happening to a once proud civil democracy, while finding no reason the same process won’t happen here.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:50am
    - westernScientest
      
      dehumanisation is not far away:
      
      Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases.
      
      They are indoctrinated to believe that “We are better off without them.”
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:02am
- westernScientest
  
  Ok KK, genuine question, WTF do we do about it?
  Because it dosent look like any of the well tout options like marching in the streets has worked well for the Aussies, when a few people started to organise here they were visited by the plod to check their thinking before they even did it. No one is listening.
  
  So what do we do?
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:24am
  - Littletramp
    
    What do we do about it? Why not start by getting the politicians off the stage and engaging our finest medical minds and logistics people to guide our way through this crisis?
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:57am
    - westernScientest
      
      Not really the question I was asking. Here we like to talk about what should be done by those with the power to act. We have debates about different strategies etc which could be taken. But usually from the perspective of – if kiwiblog had power, this is the options it would come up with.
      What I am asking is at a personal level what can be done? I have no control to get the politicians off the stage, I am going to has at a guess you dont either, the same as everyone else here.
      Thats done, its outside of our control, what is left?
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:11am
      - miltonF
        
        You can refuse to pay tax or riot. That’s about it.
        
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        September 6, 2021 1:50pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And how exactly do you propose that we get our politicians off the stage?
      
      Then have done that – how, and by whom, are our finest medical minds and logistics people to be identified?
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:16am
    - krazykiwi
      
      If only. Two problems: –
      
      1. Deliberately terrified voters gave the current mob of dangerous charlatans an unconstrained mandate at the last election; and,
      
      2. The laws that allowed this authoritarian disaster to be visited upon us were already on our statute books
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:19am
      - Okahu
        
        What is the point in sounding the klaxons to alert us of your tyrannical forebodings if moments later, when asked how best to defend ourselves, you meekly throw in the towel?
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:24am
    - Paulus
      
      Many of our so called finest medical minds are politically tainted so you could not get a realistic balance anyway.
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:07am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I believe New Zealanders need to loudly reclaim their individual health sovereignty.
    
    The state can provide care when it’s asked for by the individual, but it should be forbidden by law from making care a conditional on compliance with arbitrary diktats.
    
    While New Zealanders fearfully abdicate their primary responsibility for self-care, the state will use this weakness against us.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:27am
    - westernScientest
      
      I agree, and I guess that means just continuing conversations and hoping people realise before its too late, but that door is closing very quickly at the moment.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:58am
      - dave_c_
        
        Indeed, and proudly continuing to ‘talk with your neighours’. Stuff em, they cannot lock us all up !
        
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        September 6, 2021 2:58pm
  - Critical Thinker
    
    Educate yourself; educate others; build or join a social network that understands the value of freedom; exercise your rights of protest and peaceful civil disobedience, and encourage others to join you; and nurture whatever pockets of freedom you can, whether at home, in your workplace, or in any social group that has the courage to stand up for the civil liberties of its members.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80KeI_9UFo4
    
    “In a place that is corrupt, a minority of people who stand forth against the corruption can prevail. By pulling the moral slats from underneath it.” – Jordan Peterson – How one person can save the world
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Pz_2VZlBY
    
    “One Word of Truth Shall Outweigh the Whole World.” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn | Jordan B. Peterson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpU5jWWiPio
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:41am
- Simon
  
  The vaxxs dont really work, after a while, and are likely causing mutations. Ro vaxx the vulnerable – at best put them in isolation and open up. It was the only way out.
  
  Here is what is happening and the turds in Wellington will be watching closely without telling anyone. If the UK will get hit hard by covid over their up coming winter NZ will not open up during 2022,
  
  Watch the UK. If they come through ok then we will open up probably this time next year. Into the summer. But I suspect NZ doesnt open up. Remember comrades the hospital system cant handle it. Watch the UK.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    In the end, we will follow Australia.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:21am
    - SilverSurfer
      
      Exactly Maggy…Monkey see Monkey do….
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:38am
- all true
  
  as long as they and we listen to these “Know it all” Professors and to this half cocked Ashley B. the crazier its gonna get.
  These professors incl. Ashley B they are paid by us regardless if they sent entire country into a long term lockdown and ruin the entire country.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:30am
- Surely Knott
  
  100%. This link is also worth a watch, a very articulate piece on the rise of government control, singular media propaganda as the uk look to vaccinate children against the advice of the JCVI health authority.
  Neil Oliver: I’m convinced I’m living through a waking Covid nightmare that keeps getting worse
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIqOh2XDwXk
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:18am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  “The threat facing society is not a tiny virus, but rather the rapidly metastasizing cancer of bio fascism.”
  You’re so scared of it you beat the same drums day after day despite being proved wrong time and again. You so confused you think being proved wrong indicates that you were in fact right. The idea of you luxuriating in coming out of lock-down is sheer hypocrisy as you have been proved wrong, again. You’re a fantasist living on upticks.
  You began here as an anonymous troll and you’re still one.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:25am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Wrong time and again. ….
    Don’t wear masks, now you must wear masks.
    The Virus came from a market , until it came from the lab.
    It’s racist to stop flights from China, until it’s irresponsible to not close the borders.
    Vaccinate to give the community herd immunity, but the Vaccine doesn’t stop spread .
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:10am
    - kowtow
      
      You’re fully vaxxed with 2 jabs :
      
      until you get a booster ,
      
      and another again.
      
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      September 6, 2021 2:19pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The unwashed are happy to be home bound, bake muffins and banana bread and sing kumbaya. Cindy knows that and make best use of this sheep mentality. When Cindy announces L3 movement from L4, the sheeple rejoice as if they won lottery as they can take away a cup of coffee. With such low IQ, no wonder Cindy is so popular despite delivering next to nothing on her promises.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are correct..
    
    I ask all and sundry how they are getting on in Lockdown here in the wops…and it seems I’m the only one going stir crazy (Hubby went that way at the start of lockdown)…
    
    Some folks seem happy doing bugger-all, all day long.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:15am
    - I remember when
      
      I see in your local Maggie that the police aren’t happy doing nothing all day.
      In fact they are ensuring that Gisborne does not become a ‘covid hot spot.’
      The thick blue line.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:04pm
      - Paulus
        
        Remember Gissie necessary for the Wedding very shortly, or has it been delayed as the overseas media cannot get a quarantine room.
        
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        September 6, 2021 2:03pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      @MW – as long as the money keeps flowing……….
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:18pm
      - kowtow
        
        They’re so stupid they don’t realise that ultimately in one form or another it comes out of their own pockets , either directly or through inflation.
        
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        September 6, 2021 2:21pm
- Rusty
  
  krazy kiwi — while I dont disagree with a lot of things you say perhaps the genocide comment might be a bit extreme. Yet I have family in Melbourne and Queensland and the feedback from them is while the lock downs are frustrating they seem to accept them as being necessary— and they are conservative people.
  It has been suggested me people living in those state are reluctant to tell others by phone or social media their real feelings — I dont know.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:17am
- ecco
  
  The NZ lockdown, in Auckland, that Ardern has imposed is one step out from what the communist regimes of the world are doing to ‘control’ covid. Her muzzling of our media, via the media bribe fund, is on a par with what Xi is doing in communist China.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:47am
- Okahu
  
  Crikey! That changes everything! Now I know tyranny and not a “tiny virus” is the real threat I say LET HER RIP! I demand we OPEN UP NOW!
  
  You sir, have unblinded me! You sir, have thrown off the mind forged manacles that secured me. You sir have shown me the path to the golden uplands of KRAZY FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!
  
  I say our right to flood hospital corridors and carparks with the seriously ill (and our morgues and freezer trucks with the dead) is not just an inalienable right it is our duty! It is a righteous defence of our KRAZY FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!
  
  Now you’re a numbers man. Given our low vaccination rates, high obesity and diabetic levels, and given our hospitals are apparently woefully ill prepared for the deluge of patients LET HER RIP! will create, where should I best invest to take advantage of this new market opportunity?
  
  I’m thinking coffin supply. But also funeral services. Of course you would be mad not to consider grief counselling. That could be the gift that just keeps giving!
  
  With your help Krazy I plan to get as filthy rich as I bet you are. If I do, sorry, when I do, I will tell everybody it’s my KRAZY FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY DEATH DIVIDEND. In your honour, obviously.
  
  Any thoughts? Have I missed something critical? In the back of my mind I’m thinking of whats gonna be your huge battle with the “rapidly metastasizing cancer of bio fascism” got any quick tips on how to monetise that? Thats gonna be bigger than Bitcoin! Or should I stick to my more modest (but inevitably lucrative) KRAZY FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY DEATH DIVIDEND strategy as outlined above?
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:47pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’ll confess to being flattered that I have made such an strong impression on you, Okahu. Have a nice day.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do you want a bed in an enclosed room? or a bed by the window, so you can escape again?
    Don’t worry Mods, I get the same shit from the rabid left
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:32pm
    - Okahu
      
      Christ almighty man. Krazy handled that satire with aplomb. The last thing he needed was the raving loon of the bays to rush in as an unwanted wingman!
      
      And to think you’re worried about me!
      
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      September 6, 2021 6:58pm
- paulscott
  
  Paul Scott NZ Citizen : Exiled in Bangkok. I will be applying for political refugee status in Thailand as soon as I can. I will give reasons here tomorrow, and those reasons will be only those which can be backed by documented evidence. I will set up a site for this documentation, if possible . I invite all Kiwiblog readers to consider the reality of what KrazyKiwi has stated above.
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:01pm
- tf78
  
  I’m awaiting on Mark Levin’s book American Marxism – it explains how the world has arrived at this place.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:28pm
fernglas

If you want to know the real reason you are being so enthusiastically being locked down, it is for these reasons:
1) Your vaccination rate is the lowest in the OECD (except for maybe Mexico)
2) Your ICU capacity is the lowest in the OECD (except for maybe Mexico) https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity
3) Your obesity rates are the 4th highest in the OECD (just behind Mexico) https://www.oecd.org/health/obesity-update.htm
Did your government rush to vaccinate you when the virus arrived? Did it treble the number of ICU beds? Did it tell you to get the kilo’s off? To stop smoking?
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September 6, 2021 8:00am
- R
  
  You do know that nearly five million NZers haven’t caught the virus. And most haven’t been fully vaccinated. It makes you think.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:26am
  - herb1
    
    Clearly not ,in your case ,R
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:16am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  The sheeple here are happy when they are allowed take away KFC and Starbucks coffee. Life is cool here ferny boy. Take that.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:54am
  - SilverSurfer
    
    It’s a sad indictment on some New Zealander’s but oh so true…
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:37am
Chuck Bird

From Letters to the Editor in today’s Herald

No excuses over attack
Much effort has been made by Jacinda Ardern to persuade Kiwis that the proposed law change may not have prevented the New Lynn terror attack. For every day of her nearly four-year tenure, the PM knew this day was potentially coming and that the law was impotent. It seems ‘S’ was unique among terrorists in terms of the exceptional risk he posed, and the immediacy of that risk. It is clear that police needed a law change to have any hope of detaining ‘S’ lawfully and that Ardern knew that, too, for a considerable period.
A change of a few dozen words in our terrorism law would have given police a fighting chance of arresting ‘S’ and having him convicted and imprisoned before attacking seven innocent people. It seems that police and officials did all they could to bring the matter to the attention of this government but government failed to give police the legal tool they needed.
Ardern’s pleas of frustration and claims of being “gutted” at this predictable incident are deflecting from the real issue. Wringing your hands in public now and taking urgent steps to change the law is simply too little too late. The Labour government, with a clear majority in Parliament, has no excuse for failing all New Zealanders, and especially the victims and their families. Let’s hope they all make a full recovery.
Paul Jamieson, Remuera.
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September 6, 2021 8:02am
- Scott
  
  After Joe Biden’s disastrous hopelessly bungled pull-out from Afghanistan, some commentators are saying that the Taliban have changed and we have a more inclusive Taliban. Apparently the United States spent millions of dollars giving Afghan people gender studies. The Afghan people rebelled against gender studies. Who would have thought?
  
  But I digress. Here is today’s headline from the Daily Mail. The Taliban are nothing if not consistent –
  
  “A pregnant policewoman has been shot dead by Taliban militants in front of her husband and children in a door-to-door execution, witnesses have said. Banu Negar was killed at her home in Firozkoh, the capital of central Ghor province, amid increasing violence in Afghanistan under the new regime. The mother, who worked in the local prison, was eight months pregnant at the time of the execution on Saturday.”
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9960173/Taliban-militants-execute-eight-month-pregnant-police-officer-husband-children.html
  
  Enough said.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Leopards do not change their spots, leopards will fucking kill you
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:42am
- Simon
  
  Where is Judith Collins saying if she was PM that piece of shit would have been kicked out long ago.? When is National going to hold Ardern to account over the terrorist attack?
  
  Ardern fought hard to stop Aust removing its NZ pieces of shit from their country. Thats her real position on that scum.
  
  Ardern is responsible for the attack, the covid powers the gubermint has given itself is obvious. Labo & National are just too cosy relationship otherwise Ardern would personally be called out.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:13am
  - Nick R
    
    Judith Collins has been circumspect because she was Minister of Justice and knows exactly how tricky this is. She gave an excellent interview on RNZ on Saturday morning where she explained the position, and offered bipartisan support to the Government in getting the amendments to the terrorism regime passed. An offer the PM appears to have accepted. I have to say I think she (Collins) has handled this extremely well, far better than her performance at the start of he week when Parliament resumed.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:40am
    - Simon
      
      “Judith Collins has been circumspect because she was Minister of Justice and knows exactly how tricky this is.”
      
      Bull shit. Too cosy and the terrorist attempted murder. They can rewrite the law at the drop of a hat. Collins has not been minister for 5 years. She can say right now that if she was PM this attack would not have happened. If she is PM will make sure this doesnt happen again.
      
      Too soft on terrorists. National & Labo too cosy. Its a club.
      
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      September 6, 2021 8:58am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        And do you think it advisable to re-write law at the drop of a hat? Perhaps you can give some examples of laws created in haste that proved effective.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:18am
      - I remember when
        
        No mosque attack when National was in power.
        Let’s be fair – many thought it unlikely (yes possible) that anything like this would happen in New Zealand.
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:11pm
      - Sacha
        
        If you re-write one law, you may well have to amend a dozen others as many laws and acts of Parliament refer to another.
        How many would have to be re-written if it was decided that dis-affected refugees who were deemed to be dangerous to our society could be returned to their country of origin immediately?
        
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        September 6, 2021 1:35pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      On Saturday sheeple would have been queuing up at the super market to but toilet paper. So I don’t think anybody listened to that interview except you bro.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:56am
    - curry4me
      
      Nick R: Also imagine all the grief she’d get from the snivel liberties crowd, MSM,and the rest of the wokerati. Nationals spine would quickly turn to jelly, and that’d be the end of it.
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    We are not a PM-justice State. The PM is not the Supreme Leader with powers of execution.
    
    The recent offender is awaiting an appellate court judgement as to whether he stays or goes. It would be opening a big can of worms to seize someone and pack them off in the midst of a trial. That may be justified but watch out for unforeseen side affects.
    With an amateur govt changing the foundational laws is very risky.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:53am
    - Simon
      
      “With an amateur govt changing the foundational laws is very risky.”
      
      lol- typing from your level 4 lockup.
      
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      September 6, 2021 8:59am
    - Isobar
      
      I completely agree with you Kev. We cannot (as noted earlier in this comments section) complain about the state taking away fundamental freedoms, then scroll down and advocate for the state to take away fundamental freedoms.
      
      The fundamental freedom here is the right to citizenship and due progress. For the fact that you cannot punish someone for a crime they have not yet committed, there is and should be a a proper process to go through.
      
      Because i am damn sure, once the state has the tools, there is no reason to think they wont over time broaden the scope of those tools and use them in ways that are not flagged or intended today – such as on political groups that the government of the day do not like.
      
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      September 6, 2021 4:14pm
- chukar
  
  There must be a full enquiry into this horrible event before any new legislation is passed.
  The agenda , just for a start should include:
  Research into his mothers claim that this madman was radicalised in NZ.
  The truth about the incident itself ,including whether two people were shot as claimed on RNZ,
  The reason the number of victims changed and the hospital number and choices for them.
  How a known terrorist was allowed to walk NZ streets.
  The efficiency of the surveillance.
  How many other potential terrorists are being treated similarly in NZ?
  Plus many other questions.
  Without a proper enquiry any new legislation is going to be flawed!
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:06am
- Lance
  
  The MSM were making attempts to blame Collins over the weekend. They tried but even they, with their best spin, couldn’t quite make it happen.
  Oh for a righty to pin this on!
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:21am
Yvette

I apologise for a possible inaccuracy in a comment I made yesterday –
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/09/general_debate_05_september_2021.html/comment-page-1#comment-3011410
– in asking “how many times has Samsudeen in fact returned to Sri Lanka”? when subsequent information suggests he arrived in New Zealand in 2011 and has not left the country since. except apparently travelling to Samoa in November 2016 despite being a national security threat on the terror watch list.

A quote in several media articles says –
His mother, Ismail Fareeda, has told a TV channel in Sri Lanka that neighbours from Syria and Iraq radicalised Aathil Samsudeen when he was injured in a fall in 2016.

This seems now to be open to more than one interpretation – her neighbours in Sri Lanka, or neighbours of her son here in New Zealand
Of course. if Samsudeen has not left the country since 2011(except to visit Samoa) this may mean the radicalising neighbours are still here in New Zealand.
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September 6, 2021 8:02am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I believe it happened in NZ.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:25am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree. I’m guilty of the same Yvette.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The original RNZ quote said his 2016 fall was in Sri Lanka.
  
  Some time later RNZ modified the sentence.
  
  Last night the Government released news that Samsudeen travelled out of NZ to Samoa in 2016.
  
  I’m not sure we are being told everything.
  
  Grant Robertson assured us yesterday thay the Government is not looking at anyone else in connection with Samsudeen’s actions, but Colombo police state that they are starting to investigate Samsudeen’s links to folks back in Sri Lanka.
  
  https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/sri-lanka-offers-help-with-new-zealand-knife-attack-probe-2529939
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:36am
  - nathie
    
    Yes you (and others) are correct. 🙂
    
    Here is what the Stuff article (sourced from RNZ) first said, yesterday:
    
    His mother, Ismail Fareeda, has told a TV channel in Sri Lanka that neighbours from Syria and Iraq radicalised Aathil Samsudeen when he was injured in a fall in Sri Lanka in 2016.
    
    Here’s what the same Stuff article said later yesterday:
    
    His mother, Ismail Fareeda, has told a TV channel in Sri Lanka that neighbours from Syria and Iraq radicalised Aathil Samsudeen when he was injured in a fall.
    
    Both articles were timed stamped as 12:03 (pm) yesterday.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300399836/lynnmall-attacker-brainwashed-by-neighbours-mother-says
    But upon re-checking that link today it is now time stamped as 14:20.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:08am
- igm
  
  He attended a mosque, was obviously a muslim . . . let’s start there or has Ardern blocked this, she being an islam sycophant?
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:42am
  - SGA
    
    I don’t think that anyone has “blocked this” information, have they? Not sure what you mean.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:45am
  - bennerg
    
    The problem is that she has classed him as a “lone wolf” from the outset, but now there is evidence from his mother that he was radicalised (in 2016?) by Syrian neighbours.
    
    No mention of any investigation into those Syrian guys.
    
    No mention of a retraction to the “lone wolf” classification.
    
    No mention of this inconsistency in the mainstream media either.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:16am
    - Bluegrass
      
      Please. Enough of this ‘lone wolf’ label.
      
      There has been a consistent pattern of attacks every year for the past many years by individual Islamic fundamentalists, and as such they are not lone wolves at all. They are all programmed.
      
      That weasel term is used as a device to avoid any valid criticism of Islam, and its advocates are being mischievously disingenuous. Because every ‘lone wolf’ is a Mohammedan.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:10pm
      - Batman
        
        You misunderstand what the term refers to.
        
        It refers to an individual who acts by themselves rather than as part of a cell network or coordinated group i.e. 9/11, vehicle bombs, suicide vests etc.
        
        The lone wolf is defined by the number of people involved and the disconnection from distinct organisation structures.
        
        It’s not about hiding the nature of the attack. He has been clearly labelled as ISIS inspired.
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:15pm
      - bennerg
        
        Batman,
        “It refers to an individual who acts by themselves rather than as part of a cell network or coordinated group ”
        
        There is evidence from his mother that he was radicalised (in 2016?) by Syrian neighbours.
        
        So sorry, he was part of a group, and was not acting alone.
        
        So not
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:19pm
      - Batman
        
        That doesn’t make it a group thing. He acted alone, most likely with very little forward planning.
        
        We’re not talking about radicalisation when using these terms, it is about the planning and undertaking of the act of terror.
        
        If there is evidence that these supposed Syrian and Iraqi friends helped him plan and execute this while under Police and STG monitoring, I’m happy to revise to it being a group attack.
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:24pm
      - Sacha
        
        I did a Coursera course on terrorism 10 years ago. Very interesting!
        The term ‘lone wolf’ was used to describe people – mostly young teenage men, introverted and lacking empathy, socially isolated, often insatiable internet users, commonly seeking out weapons, methods of killing, violent films.
        They lived secret lives. They preferred to act alone, rather than with a group – even though they had similar beliefs. They ‘programmed’ themselves, and equipped themselves with weapons – and planned to create fear in other by using them. Groups didn’t want them – they were too inclined to follow their own path and put the rest of the group at risk by exposing their existence.
        Parents were usually completely unaware of their child’s obsessions.
        Yes, other terrorist cells may well know of these people – word gets around, but unless they were prepared to join in the group plans, they were left alone.
        Nobody claimed them, and apparently they were not all Muslem. Some of them outgrew their obsession, and some were discovered and given support where possible.
        So: ‘lone wolf’ has a very specific meaning in the terrorist vocabulary which unfortunately has become dulled by popular usage.
        
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        September 6, 2021 2:12pm
- jon
  
  Those neighbours will be *one of us*.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:01am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The mosque is in an industrial street. The neighbours are a rock climbing wall and a joinery company.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:35am
    - bennerg
      
      Neighbours, as in “neighbourhood” can in reality mean more than even just the street one lives in.
      
      Some of my “neighbours” are more than a kilometer away.
      
      The critical issue here is that the mother’s comments give a clue to both how he was radicalised (not in the classic isolated way, online etc) , but due to the influence of others.
      
      So our concern now is who are those “others”.
      
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      September 7, 2021 9:45am
Artcroft

Hot off the press;
UK train conductor sacked for tweeting; “Thank F*** our pubs open up today. We cannot let our way of life become like some sort of Muslim alcohol-free caliphate just to beat Covid19.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9855799/Atheist-said-didnt-want-live-Muslim-alcohol-free-caliphate-sue-employer.html
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September 6, 2021 8:02am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I lived in the UK for some years in the late 1980s and there were many such events (pre-Twitter, obviously). One I recall is when a train broke down just outside a village and the word was it would be a couple of hours before they would get underway again.
  
  A conductor safely led the 20 or so passengers off the train, down a country lane and to a pub where he bought everyone a drink. He then safely led them back onto the train, turning what would have been a frustrating couple of hours into an enjoyable excursion.
  
  He was sacked under H & S laws.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:45am
Captain Mainwaring

Using the Sally Army drop-offs as a place to get rid of your disgusting garbage is the lowest of the low (TV3, Sept.5).
Let’s make an educated guess that it’s not National/Act voters who are indulging in this lazy, repulsive behaviour.
So who is it?
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September 6, 2021 8:02am
- WaveyDavey
  
  At my nearest Sallies it’s the low-rent demographic of Kelston, New Lynn and a bit of Avondale
  
  Which is nice…
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:06am
- artemisia
  
  Not long ago I was waiting at a bus stop opposite a Salvation Army op shop in the weekend. It was a revelation. In the course of about 25 minutes 2 cars pulled up and added boxes, bags and bits of random stuff to an already large untidy pile.
  
  The reason it was untidy soon became quite clear. A car arrived, 3 large people got out and started rooting through the piles, and not at all tidily. Can’t mention ethnicity. Then a guy on a bike turned up and did similar, not quite so untidily. He was wearing a helmet though. I called the police but my bus arrived before they did..
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:12am
- MCos
  
  There’s a St Vincent de Paul shop in Mangere Bridge that has had that problem on occasion.
  I had a look in a box of books once.
  A signed copy of ‘Pull No Punchs’ (fun read)
  ‘Where It All Went Wrong, Twice’ by Bill English
  ‘The Compleat Bob Jones in 125 Volumes’
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:50am
  - Sacha
    
    I had fun at St Vinnies in PN when I dropped off some bedding. (4 br into 2 doesn’t go).
    They had a rather extensive collection of Ladies purses, which for me, was a trip down memory lane.
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:16pm
rjay

Herald article from 2017 about objectionable refugee in court.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-accused-of-possessing-grotesque-images-of-war-crimes/3HM2XHI2R3HTT3NQJWOCU7V5DI/
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September 6, 2021 8:03am
- Nickc2
  
  Which Govt came to power five days after the court’s determination? The Labour Govt no less. What did they do about it? Squat!!
  Now, according to Comrade Cindy, laws will be modified/drafted in the next couple of weeks. If she had stood Parliament down as she wanted to, she would have had to recall them to debate changes to the law. Wouldn’t that have proven Judith Collins right?
  Oh what a tangled web she weaves each time she sets out to deceive.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:55am
- nathie
  
  Well, well, well, according to the article, another softc*ck judge at the time was also involved:
  
  However, Justice Timothy Brewer asked the Crown whether the case was opening up a “big Bill of Rights and freedom of expression” debate.
  
  Then to cap it all off, the Crown would be prosecuting “Samsudeen under the Films, Videos and Publications Classification Act”.
  
  Seems like anti-terrorism laws weren’t particularly strong if the Crown had to use other avenues to have Samsudeen prosecuted – was Jacinda Ardern aware of this (now that the Labour Party narrative for the media to promote is that “Jacinda Ardern was trying her best to get rid of Samsudeen all this time”?
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

Wouldn’t it be easier to just be chipped?

From 11:59pm on Tuesday September 7, every person in Aotearoa New Zealand over the age of 12 will be required to keep a record of their whereabouts, either by scanning QR codes or signing paper registers many businesses and event organisers will have to provide.

https://theconversation.com/nz-is-introducing-mandatory-record-keeping-to-help-contact-tracers-but-is-the-data-protected-enough-167177
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September 6, 2021 8:04am
- Tricati
  
  Maggy, would it be easier if the much heralded ‘Gold Standard’ tracing system worked, of if the magic ‘blue tooth’ system was turned on rather than having a ‘probe inserted’ – as they a say!!
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:18am
- hullkiwi
  
  Maggy, given my recent experience with Warkworth, places of interest, and the reason we are meant to scan, I would expect:
  1. Failure to protect data; and
  2. Failure to be able to process data quick enough to be of any use to anyone.
  
  So, why worry it will be another massive Failure by a government renowned for failing to deliver.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:37am
  - Surely Knott
    
    For those worried about rising government control one of our greatest safety nets is their inability to deliver.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:37am
- westernScientest
  
  even they know KiwiChip would be a failure. Think of it positively, they are finally engaging the private sector to do something.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Is that an actual official announcement or just a teaser?
  It feels like it goes too far. How could it be enforced?
  Extraordinary measures require extraordinary proof.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:58am
  - westernScientest
    
    cindy made captains call from the podium of truth sometime a week or two ago. It didnt really make sense, but she said that businesses (except supermarkets I think) would be legally responsible to ensure everyone that entered had signed in, either with the app or the paper record.
    
    https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/latest-updates/record-keeping-to-become-mandatory-for-most-events-and-businesses/
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    not a teaser…
    From the Podium
    
    https://covid19.govt.nz/business-and-money/businesses/record-keeping-and-contact-tracing/
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:29am
- arkhad
  
  Based on today’s Level update it seems that the places that more people go to more often will not be required to scan. I.e. supermarkets Why? Why exempt them? Why no media asking why?
  
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  September 6, 2021 4:53pm
Vory v zakone

Meanwhile how about those ignorant morons who fell for the HORSESH*T
Rolling Stone ‘Horse Dewormer’ Hit-Piece…

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
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September 6, 2021 8:06am
New Zealander

I continue to hear all this discussion about Immigration and Terrorism laws needing to be changed. These changes may well be required, yet the general discussion in the media still ignores the major point as to how a terrorist attack was allowed to happen.

The man should never have been released from prison.

https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/about-the-judiciary/how-decisions-are-made/bail/

The above link is for the bail laws in New Zealand. They clearly state that anyone charged with serious violent offending does not need to be bailed. It also states that with any special circumstances an accused offender does not need to be bailed.

To attack and break a Corrections Officer’s jaw is a serious violent offending. This was not a potential act with which the judiciary needed to consider, it’s an act which the man had already been charged with. The laws are black and white. It is a monumental judicial failure.
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September 6, 2021 8:09am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  You should have used a bold typeface for your last sentence.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:50am
  - New Zealander
    
    Wouldn’t know how to.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:25am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      See if this helps…
      https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp
      
      use b enclosed in angle brackets at start of text to be placed in bold and use /b enclosed in angle brackets at end of the bolded text.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:35am
      - New Zealander
        
        Oh, I learned that stuff about 20 years ago. Forgot it still worked lol
        
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        September 6, 2021 10:59am
    - Fletch
      
      Ages ago I wrote a little program with AutoHotKey that allows you to add formatting tags to a post. You can download it from here –
      
      https://www22.zippyshare.com/v/fLJFfX3Q/file.html
      
      It doesn’t need installing. You just run it. Basically, you highlight text in the textbox where you type and press ‘B’ for bold, ‘I’ for Italic, ‘S’ for strikethrough and ‘Blockquote’ for blockquote.
      
      This little video shows it in action –
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaqK98JdKR4
      
      And the results like this
      
      Italic
      Bold
      ~~Strikethrough~~
      
      Blockquote
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:09am
      - oldfella
        
        It works! Well done, Fletch. Cheers. 🙂
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:55am
      - Fletch
        
        You’re welcome!
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:08pm
      - Joely Doe
        
        Oh that is fcuking fantastic!
        I have searched for a widget like this previously, as HTML links are a PITA.
        Thank you
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:16pm
      - Fletch
        
        I tried to add a thing for turning text into an HTML URL link but I kind of failed at the time. So it was never implemented, unfortunately. Was my first time trying to program in the stuff…
        
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        September 6, 2021 4:48pm
- MCos
  
  My understanding is he was was charged with crime(s) that have finite prison terms. Ten years or whatever.
  So he could be kept in prison for that length of time and let out without restrictions.
  Then what.
  The bloke was a ticking time bomb.
  Laws could be changed to deal with his particular case, but of course they could be used elsewhere to detain people whose jib society doesn’t like the cut of.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:08am
  - New Zealander
    
    I dare say that given he was on the front page of the New Zealand Herald on 16 August and the Government were already working to have him deported, he would have been gone by the end of his 10 years. He showed no remorse and refused to engage with rehabilitative services, so he likely would never have stepped foot in NZ as a free man again.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:27am
    - riffer
      
      You’re not wrong. Three weeks ago.
      
      https://web.archive.org/web/20210816034121mp_/https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-isis-supporter-who-allegedly-planned-lone-wolf-attack-in-auckland-could-not-be-charged-as-a-terrorist/63KJAAJO6O3EHUHDHJILE2C3TI/
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Simon Bridges writes a good review on life-long crim Arthur Taylor’s autobiography:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/book-of-the-week-simon-bridges-on-arthur-taylor
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September 6, 2021 8:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  Publishing this profile-boosting material and continuous hit-jobs on Collins are two side of the same coin.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:17am
  - Souvlaki
    
    It was a well written review.
    Are you seriously suggesting he should not have penned it?
    I at least, am unaware of ‘ hit jobs’ on Collins instigated by Bridges. The press , certainly however are another story. Do you think Bridges is in collusion with Claire Trevett?
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:25am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Not at all. I’m suggesting that the reason for it being published is because giving Bridges profile supports the orchestrated destabilisation of Collins.
      
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      September 6, 2021 8:30am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I think it’s more likely that Bridges, having referred to Taylor is his own book, is looking to boost his sales profile!
        
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        September 6, 2021 8:47am
      - virtualmark
        
        Neither Bridges or Collins has the charisma or broad appeal to carry the swing voters in an election against Ardern. So taking part in any in-fighting between the two of them is like the proverbial two bald men arguing about a comb.
        
        National is reaping the pain from 5-10 years of poor candidate recruitment. That is what needs to be reversed (although likely won’t be given Peter Goodfellow is still there leading the selecting). You’d think they would have learned from watching Labour wander aimlessly through the desert after Helen Clark left … but no.
        
        A smart organised party would have recruited and brought through a charismatic candidate in the 2014 or 2017 elections. But look at the talent puddle we got instead.
        
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        September 6, 2021 8:54am
      - virtualmark
        
        To clarify my earlier comment … National tends to be able to recruit lots of solid reliable managerial types (think Bill Birch, Bill English, other people not called Bill etc) who make excellent *Cabinet ministers*. National nearly always has a better Cabinet line-up than Labour can manage.
        
        But National seems to struggle to find charismatic leaders who can energise the 20% of the electorate who span the centre. Key did it. Perhaps Muldoon had that cross-appeal, but in a different era and time that’s gone now. But Bolger, Shipley, English, Bridges, Collins … they’re not leaders that evoke a strong positive emotional response. They’re slow bowlers you’d bring on at first change, not natural right-hand quicks for the new ball. (Not intended as a criticism … I’m well aware I wouldn’t be any good at that either).
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:38pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Govt by media (The 4th Estate) eh?
      NO FUCKIN THANKS!
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:47am
  - Adroit
    
    Are you saying that the media is seeking to help Simon Bridges regain the leadership?
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:25am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    What hit jobs?
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:35am
    - Lance
      
      The terrorist attack was all Collins fault don’t you know…
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    For clarity, I am suggestion that all and any hit jobs are those that the MSM have been running continuously against Collins. It was the same strategy they used to get rid of Bridges – hit-pieces against him, and oxygen (aka poisoned bait) for anyone keen to have a crack at him. Muller took that bait. Bridges is too smart to.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Today’s ODT cartoon is yet another hit job on Collins , unbelievable.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:34am
Tricati

Since last Friday’s heinous attack on innocent folk going about their shopping, the MSM has been fill of what Ardern was personally doing in order to prevent this attack. If you read all the BS the media are pumping out you would think Ardern is our government and only she does anything.
Then I thought, where is the Minister of Immigration, were is the Minister of Police and where is the Minister of Justice – All missing from interviews, yet their portfolios are all heavily implicated in this attack.
Given the amount of cock-ups over the last few weeks in regard to Covid, and now this attack, it is obvious Ardern has been put into ‘protection’ as Robertson with all his bluff and bullshit is fronting the interviews and spinning like a top.
A very dear friend in Toronto contacted me over the weekend after hearing of the attack in Auckland and made a very insightful comment about our PM, that was ‘she is a left-wing piece of work, a master wordsmith & a practiced deflector’; which I thought summed Ardern up perfectly.
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September 6, 2021 8:14am
- WaveyDavey
  
  The “smart” people that currently really run this Labour government are smart enough to recognise that they are unelectably ugly (personality rather than looks) and so they have very attractive window dressing. In fact it’s all they have so they daren’t lose her
  
  But they do need some malleable cannon fodder to fill ministerial roles. However those appointees must not be allowed to tarnish the project so are rarely allowed out in daylight: see Peeni Henare or Kelvs whenever they open their mouths
  
  TL:DR – Protect the Queen at all costs
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Great analysis.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:05am
Critical Thinker

Lockdowns Kill ?

Deaths in Scotland have been above average for months despite the decline in Covid-19 as more people die at home of heart attacks, strokes and substance abuse.

The hidden cost of the pandemic and the collateral damage of lockdown is becoming clear in the official statistics.

Deaths from all causes have been above the five-year average for 12 successive weeks but coronavirus accounts for a declining proportion of the fatalities as the weeks go on.
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September 6, 2021 8:14am
Nickc2

My bitch for the day.

Howcome a Judge can sentence people to home detention as a punishment for breaking the law, and Jacinda Ardern can sentence the whole population to home detention as a punishment for obeying the law?
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September 6, 2021 8:18am
- tf78
  
  Nick – it just puts us in credit doesn’t it.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    I like your style.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:54am
JibberJabber

The “fear” of being persecuted/imprisoned/ murdered if being returned to their country of origin is always the first excuse touted by lawyers, usually sans evidence but always accepted by the bleeding hearts and gullible Judges.
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2021/09/refugee-in-fear-of-life-returns-to.html#comment-form

Coming to New Zealand as a student on some worthless education course, quitting as soon as you get there then applying for refugee status because it is too dangerous to return home. Only to then …..go home!

Where have we heard that before? Sroubek, anyone?
Has Danny Butler been assassinated by the IRA yet, does the IRA even know who he is? Even tho’ he made headlines when he returned
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-deported-after-nz-siege-arrives-in-dublin-1.125530
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September 6, 2021 8:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Honours for sale?
Pays to know a good mate of Prince Charles

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/04/prince-charless-former-aide-steps-down-as-charity-boss-amid-conduct-inquiry

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58451647
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September 6, 2021 8:21am
Yvette

Blow “3 Waters” outa the water …
A July 15 Newsroom item was headed –
$2.5b in infrastructure spending to win over worried mayors to water reforms
The Prime Minister has spoken to the country’s mayors in an attempt to broker peace, as her officials retract an ‘ill-informed’ TV ad campaign raising public fears of water contamination

– now, September 3, Newsroom reports –
Dissident council says Govt has offered it $90m to participate in water reforms
… Whangārei and the Far North have both now voted to walk away from the Government’s big Three Waters reforms, and neighbouring Kaipara District Council last week passed a strongly-worded motion criticising the water plans.

This morning, Whangārei mayor Sheryl Mai has provided Newsroom a report her council commissioned from global economic consultants Castalia. She says it debunks Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta’s claims that amalgamating the water services into four big regional authorities would save money.

The findings are of national significance, she argues. “The report shows the so-called savings promoted by Government are unlikely to occur, which means the reforms are likely to produce poorer outcomes for most New Zealanders.”

In what could drive a big wedge between the country’s 67 local councils and the Government, if confirmed, Mai says the Government has offered Whangārei – the loudest critic of the reforms – an extra $90m financial sustainability payment to sign up. [1]

While the Ardern Labour Government struggle to define “hate speech”, and now “terrorism, faith, culture, religion and individual”, perhaps they should look at exactly what “bribery” and “corruption” mean as well.

Most “honest” and “integrous” Government yet – foutaise!
And “transparent”? – well, perhaps, Yes … you can see right through them

[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govts-90m-offer-to-dissident-council
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September 6, 2021 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Bribery by the govt over a matter of policy yet to be determined?
  Treason anyone?
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:01am
- artemisia
  
  What happens if some councils walk away from 3 waters? Especially if they insist on running referenda to get public OK or not. Would that crash the scheme or will some councils be ringfenced and look after their own.
  
  Seems like many councils want to test the local waters, so to speak, and in order to go out to their residents they will need a lot more information on costs and benefits. Forcing 3 Waters through could easily end up with efficient councils subsidising the inefficient – never an attractive proposition for the former but different situation completely for the latter.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:03am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Efficient Councils, because of their population rating pool, subsidizing smaller ones is the whole premise. Take away 3 waters, then you can take away Councils. Centralisation is always the solution. //s
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:21am
- Clyde
  
  The 3 waters will be going ahead. Even if all the country’s councils either ask for a “slow-down” or tell Mahuta they don’t want a bar of it, she will mandate the change. She has been given the chance on many occassions to deny she will, and has avoided answering every time. The reason for the change is to vest control of the nation’s water into a “co-governance” model of 50/50 maori control.
  
  There is no financial advantage of these reforms, there will be no change in the water quality, and there are no forecasts for the costs to the consumer of the changes. NONE. But the changes will still go ahead as will the changes to Local Government. Standby for forced amalgamations of Councils, mandatory maori “co-governance” of same, and most people will stand by and accept it all.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:32am
  - jon
    
    I note the three Waters Plan is drawn up along Iwi borders with Iwi having veto power over decisions.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:09am
  - JerJer
    
    Auckland, along with Christchurch and most of the South Island are opting out.
    
    Noticed that the adds are not running on the telly any more.
    
    Looks like it’s a dead duck.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:52am
    - Clyde
      
      Not so JerJer re the ads. Local Government NZ protested about the ads early on, but they continued and I saw one just before the TV news at 6pm a couple of days ago. The issue ain’t a dead duck – it will be mandated. The South Island view is one of “slow down”, but this Govt knows there are some basic things it wants to change before being tossed out. 3 waters and Local Govt reform, both entailing maori co-governance, are two of them.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:18pm
      - JerJer
        
        these guys promised 100000 houses, and managed 400. They aren’t going to be able to organize 67 district councils to agree to or accept anything.
        
        this is major reform, they cannot even manage minor things.
        
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        September 6, 2021 1:52pm
    - Yvette
      
      Jerjer – Noticed that the ads are not running on the telly any more.
      Actually the ads are still running, but some in Maori with English subtitles, which may show two things –
      
      1 – a change in tact on the “3 Waters” deal, and
      2 – how it is near impossible, in respect to learning Maori or probably any other language, to split your focus to relate the spoken word to the subtitles or vice versa when a moving picture fills the screen anyway.
      
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      September 6, 2021 3:45pm
  - zulumonster
    
    I’m conflicted about the 3 waters reform. As a ratepayer in Wellington I can’t work out who would be the least incompetent to run the water infratsructure in this coolest little decaying capital in the world. I’m leaning towards the City Council – but in no way should that be seen as an endorsement of their capability.
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:41pm
    - artemisia
      
      Can’t argue with that. Except that we Wellington ratepayers keep electing a rabble of the incompetent and dysfunctional, heavily invested in identity politics.
      
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      September 6, 2021 1:04pm
- I remember when
  
  When are the media, and other sources, going to stop referring to the Havelock North contamination as a reason for Water Reform.
  Havelock North was an engineering error resulting in ‘dirty’ paddock water entering the artesian system.
  The fault (engineering) should have be recognised and corrected.
  Also identified slack water testing procedure management errors.
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:51pm
  - Clyde
    
    It is not only the media that refers to the Havelock North. The DIA and LGNZ as well as the Government all say that the Havelock North failure was the reason that these reforms are under way. The failure was one of the regulator – the Public Health Authority that last took any action regarding water quality in 1956. Does anyone believe any regulator – whether it has a maori name or not – will do any better than any of the other raft of regulators who have failed in their jobs. No need to look further than the Electricity Authority for the answer to that.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Baaaaahhhh! Take that Democrats. Her diner closed, but only because she ran out of food LOL.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/florida-diner-that-told-biden-supporters-to-eat-somewhere-else-sells-out-of-food-temporarily-closes/?
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September 6, 2021 8:30am
- curry4me
  
  SteveOtto(North Shore) : Yes, I saw that on Lucianne.com, or somewhere.
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:07pm
Vory v zakone

More details on Ivermectin
“AN ORAL AGENT EFFECTIVE IN ALL PHASES OF COVID-19 HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED.”

Why wont they let you use Ivermectin?

1. Large, statistically significant, reduction in mortality.
2. Large, statistically significant, time to clinical recovery.
3. Large, statistically significant, time to viral clearance.
4. Reduced risk of contracting covid 19 with regular use of ivermectin.
5. Wide use leads to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality.

source:
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx
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September 6, 2021 8:31am
- Ian Boag
  
  It’s a pity that there are some less than kosher “studies” out there … clouds the picture somewhat
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:12am
  - westernScientest
    
    hmm, journal of american therapeutics, or the guardian….. I know which one I would pick to confirm my pre existing biases.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:24am
    - Ian Boag
      
      The Guardian is merely reporting that a big study has been “withdrawn” because of shonky not very well fabricated data and summaries pasted/altered from press releases. I’m not sure if this study was part of the Therapeutics meta-analysis.
      
      It really isn’t one study versus another.
      
      I have a better-than-amateur statistical background. I read the Therapeutics paper. They used stats I have never heard of and backed them up with plots I have never seen before. I’m sure they are valid, but it’s a bit strange when this is what it takes.
      
      There is a basic principle in looking at the results of trials. If the effect is large there is pretty much always a simple plot/table that clearly shows it. If you have to tease the effect out with fancy stats this may not be so.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        What, the Guardian misleading? I thought that was their stock-in-trade.
        
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        September 6, 2021 9:51am
      - westernScientest
        
        The comment was clearly for a bit of a chuckle, obviously they are not the same thing. I read the paper, what are the statistics you have never herd of used? all bar one, which was a direct report out of a different study, looked fairly normal to me. Maybe I can help point you to some explanations of them.
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:04am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @western
        
        What is an I-squared?
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:23am
      - westernScientest
        
        I have to admit, i didnt notice an I squared in there, and it is pretty reasonable not to know what one is. I have come across them in meta-analysis before, but did have to go an look up how they are calculated.
        
        In short they are a normalised measure of how different studies are.
        
        https://www.statsdirect.com/help/meta_analysis/heterogeneity.htm
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:40pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      That was fraud, but there have also been ‘hit-job’ fraudulent papers against eg hydroxychloroquine in Lancet since retracted (obviously paid for by Big Pharma aligned interests). And other “trials’ of therapeutics that were clearly designed with treatment protocols intended to produce null results (to manufacture FUD antitherapeutic headlines). A lot of Big Pharma sponsored misinformation and lies being promulgated by gatekeepers, and ‘owned’ institutions
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:49am
  - SilverSurfer
    
    Its a pity you are not more objective in your outlook Ian.
    Like i told Battie the other day nobody is forcing Ivermectin down your throat and nobody is going to so why do you care so much.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:43am
    - Ian Boag
      
      So I should ignore reports that question the “ivermectin-as-miracle-cure” notion? That would apparently make me “more objective”.
      
      Why is this personal anyway? The KB way … ?
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:07am
      - SilverSurfer
        
        Nothing personal about it Ian was just an observation…
        
        “Objective” (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
        
        While Ivermectin may not be a miracle cure there is enough evidence out there to say it may have some therapeutic benefits which in my humble opinion is a fairly “objective” way to look at it.
        
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        September 6, 2021 11:51am
  - Sacha
    
    Try these:
    https://www.australiannationalreview.com/health/dr-ryan-cole-blows-the-whole-cov-19-propaganda-away/
    (scroll doen to video)
    or:
    JRE #1671 Joe Rogan talks with Drs Bret Weinstein & Pierre Cory (podcast – long)
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:47pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Unfortunately, the usual suspects here are determined to not understand that the Ivermectin prescribed by Doctors for the treatment of the *gasp*?Covid is not the same as the one used by vets.
  To acknowledge that means they have to question their political affiliation if not their entire existence on this planet.(a little sarcasm for the perpetually obtuse?)
  The simple fact that there are treatments and potential remedies that have been banned should be enough to alert a functioning adults bullshit detector.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:09am
  - Sacha
    
    New Zealand is firmly in the grip of the vaccine manufacturers. It’s all about the money, not the long term health of you and me.
    Why did Bill Gates fly in to Queenstown for a quick meeting with the PM last year? It was a long way to fly for lunch – maybe he had a business proposition for her?
    And why is the MOH completely ignoring the current protocols for preventative treatment of mildly symptomatic patients? Is it because allowing the use of Ivermectin would decrease th demand for vaccines?
    No, surely not. Me and my conspiracy theories, lol.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Where are the Woman’s Rights activists? Their silence is deafening.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/pregnant-american-woman-stranded-in-afghanistan-who-was-targeted-by-taliban-speaks-out-in-powerful-interview/?
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September 6, 2021 8:38am
- ABS4EVA
  
  Woman’s rights activists are Communists who support the Taliban
  
  Do you not know about the Connection
  
  DO WE HAVE TO PUT YOU IN A
  RE EDUCATION CAMP
  
  COMRADE
  
  Lenin declared;
  
  Muslims of Russia…all you whose mosques and prayer houses have been destroyed, whose beliefs and customs have been trampled upon by the tsars and oppressors of Russia: your beliefs and practices, your national and cultural institutions are forever free and inviolate. Know that your rights, like those of all the peoples of Russia, are under the mighty protection of the revolution.[5]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_Soviet_Union
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:53am
  - MCos
    
    Seems Uncle Joe changed all that
    “Stalin’s cult of personality left little room for the practice of Islam”
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:07am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not all over Russia..
      Stalin encouraged the formation of a powerful muslim Muftiate in Central Asia
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_Administration_of_the_Muslims_of_Central_Asia_and_Kazakhstan
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:20pm
Critical Thinker

India Confirms Ivermectin for COVID-19 in National List of Essential Medicines

After beating their COVID-19 crisis with Ivermectin, the Indian Council of Medical Research, the apex research body in India has just included Ivermectin as an ESSENTIAL medicine in combating COVID-19.

India’s miraculous recovery from COVID-19 by using the incredibly effective Ivermectin treatment has brought their deaths per million down to almost the same level as the fascist police state of Australia.

While sadly 63% fully Pfizer “vaccinated” Israel’s deaths continue to soar well past the deaths per million that India was experiencing back in May of this year ?
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September 6, 2021 9:00am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  You are not a horse.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:14am
  - Don Beckett
    
    But you are a muttonturd.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:24am
    - curry4me
      
      Don Beckett: One is definitely not a horse. However, most leftist ideas are horse s***.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:11pm
  - westernScientest
    
    well I guess. Your not a bird either…. I could be one of the millions of Africans which used to have river blindness though, and dont any more thanks to taking a drug with multiple uses.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:30am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Stick to the lie Mutt, it’s all you lot have got.
    Whatever you do, don’t dare to think for yourself.??
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Perhaps not horses but we are Pfizer’s guinea pigs.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:07am
  - NoFax
    
    Didn’t you see that the whole “people taking horse medicine” was BS. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:13am
  - MrTips
    
    And with that sentence MB you encapsulate western scientific racism, which has got worse under the left wing govts.
    
    I mean, how could it EVER be possible that those silly Indians could EVER come up with something that works right?
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    People should not take a blood thinner such as warfarin because it is rat poison, and people are not rats?
    Your horse comment is childish and stupid Muttonhead
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:29am
    - riffer
      
      No I disagree Steve Otto. Muttonbird is correct when he suggests that using unproven animal remedies is not recommended practice. True, he didn’t articulate it hugely well. The point does remain that no scientific or medical studies whatsoever exist that prove any kind of efficacy. And when you consider that many people are citing the lack of long term medical studies as good reasons to avoid the vaccines, one does wonder why the same people seem to so quickly jump on Ivermectin as a potential game changer.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes Professor
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:37pm
  - I remember when
    
    Neigh!
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:57pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Horses drink water. Horses breathe air. You are not a horse. So stop drinking water and stop breathing air.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:35pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Meanwhile that Horsesh*t Rolling Stone ‘Horse Dewormer’ Hit-Piece has been debunked…
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/rolling-stone-horse-dewormer-hit-piece-debunked-after-hospital-says-no-ivermectin
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:14am
- Ian Boag
  
  It’s a shame about the big dodgy Indian study. As I understand it, ivermectin has been sprayed all over Brazil from the early days of the pandemic and they still have a pretty spectacular thing going on ….
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:15am
  - rangitoto
    
    Their case numbers are steadily heading down over the last two months.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:28am
  - Sacha
    
    From emerging reports (not newspaper reporting) it seems that in early on cases Ivermectin dosages in SA were not quite right – there is continued discussion (but not disagreement) about how much per kg of body weight, how many doses and at what intervals they should be given.
    The ‘big dodgy’ Indian study was dramatically successful. Do you remember how one week the skies were clouded by the smoke from funeral pyres, and the next, nothing? One of the states took matters in hand, packaged up individual treatment packages of Ivermectin pills, and handed them out to everyone in the state – millions of them (the Indian pharmaceutical industry is very efficient, and cheap) – and suddenly no news, and death rates plummeted
    It seems that physicians are now prescribing Ivermectin for mildly symptomatic patients and getting excellent results within a day or two – even those who require hospitalisation are benefitting.
    Of course, if your immune system is up and running (Vit D3/C/Zinc) you probably won’t get any symptoms at all – and if you don’t have any symptoms, why would you get ‘tested’, and risk getting a false positive result?
    Eh?
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:31pm
- JohnRidd
  
  Can someone please tell me, is this true or misinformation?
  
  The government of Uttar Pradesh are saying that their success with controlling the covid-19 virus is largely because they have been using ivermectin as both a prophylactic and a treatment.
  
  “A year after the country’s first Covid-19 cluster, with 5 cases, was reported in Agra district, the Uttar Pradesh government has claimed that it was the first state to have introduced a large-scale “prophylactic and therapeutic” use of Ivermectin and added that the drug helped the state to maintain a lower fatality and positivity rate as compared to other states.
  
  Citing the results from Agra in the month of May and June last year, following which the use of Ivermectin, a medicine to treat parasitic ailments, along with Doxycycline was introduced as a protocol across the state for both prophylactic as well as treatment purposes, the state Health Department said it would conduct a controlled study once the second wave of the pandemic subsides.
  
  The state Health Department introduced Ivermectin as prophylaxis for close contacts of Covid patients, health workers as well as for the treatment of the patients themselves through a government order on August 6, 2020, after a committee headed by the Director General, Medical and Health Services, gave it the go ahead.”
  
  from
  https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:23am
  - I remember when
    
    The Indian Express: circulation 495,618.
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:01pm
- Okahu
  
  Thinker. There was a leap there where perhaps you needed to explain. So India is clever because they endorse Ivermectin. Israel is highly vaccinated but still has much death. And? Are we to assume you are telling us something about Israel and Ivermectin? If so, what?
  
  Assuming you are saying Israel is not clever, and has not used Ivermectin, why do you imagine that country has been so recklessly indifferent to the suffering and death of its citizens?
  
  I understand they have a better than most health care system, well resourced and fully capable of affording off patent medications. Is there any possible reason they could get it so wrong you can help us with?
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:23pm
Yvette

“To all those who were impacted on by the events on Friday – we’re with you. To the seven victims, the people who were there and tried to care for them, the police and first responders.
“It was a horrific thing that happened, a violent senseless attack. But I can only repeat what I said on the day – this was an attack by an individual, not a culture, not a religion or an ethnicity, but an individual who was gripped by an ideology that is not supported by anyone here.”
– Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

… who could seem to have not learnt a few things –

1 – “We’re with you” : slogans don’t really mean much, especially if one sounds pretty much like a variation on another, like”They are us”

2 – “Not a culture, not a religion” :
Mustenser Qamar told Q+A “It’s a double whammy kind of thing because firstly it’s a horrendous attack, any innocent person is being attacked is horrendous to hear about it, and then on top of that someone who’s done it in the name of our faith makes it more difficult to digest. It’s almost like saying well out faith teaches this whereas we know, and I’ve studied this in a lot of detail, Islam does not permit this at all.”

The perpetrator was an extremist inspired by the Islamic state group, and had been living at the Glen Eden mosque under court-ordered supervision – Republic World, India
If it did not involve faith or religion, why the court-ordered supervision in a mosque?

3 – “This was an attack by an individual”
Analysis: As Friday’s attack by an Isis sympathiser in a New Zealand supermarket has shown, Isis’s extreme ideology still holds strong appeal for some disaffected Muslims living in the west. Isis ideology did not die in Syria and Iraq with the defeat of Isil and its plans to establish a caliphate.
The Sri Lankan-born national responsible for Friday’s terrorist attack had previously been found to possess Isis content on his personal computing devices and been banned from accessing social media sites for this very reason.
That’s why we should be wary of describing him as a “lone wolf”. He may have acted alone, with no direct assistance from a terrorist group. But his ideology and process of radicalisation are connected to global groups deliberately seeking to promote their vicious world view and attract new adherents to their cause.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/450806/lynnmall-attack-why-isis-is-harder-to-defeat-online-than-on-the-battlefield

Lone actor terrorists are ideologically driven, with political or religious motives, and are intended to create fear and influence public opinion. Lone wolf terrorists may sympathize with and consider themselves part of larger groups, but they are usually not active participants. The links between lone wolves and actual terrorist groups tend to be informal and conducted online.These individuals tend to become radicalized online and through media outlets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_attacks

4 – “an ideology that is not supported by anyone here” –
“Ismail Fareeda [Aathil Samsudeen mother] has told a TV channel in Sri Lanka that neighbours from Syria and Iraq radicalised Aathil Samsudeen when he was injured in a fall in 2016”
• Are these neighbours, who must support ISIS, still living in New Zealand?
• Ardern would not be aware of these neighbours at the time, but knew of Aathil Samsudeen when she said “They are us”?
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September 6, 2021 9:02am
- MCos
  
  “Are these neighbours, who must support ISIS, still living in New Zealand?”
  As his mother stated those particular neighbours were in Sri Lanka after he hurt himself in a fall in 2016.
  As you are probably aware his status as a refugee was in the process of being revoked. Traveling back to Sri Lankan around that time probably didn’t help his cause.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It looks like that information about being hurt in a fall back in Sri Lanka has been corrected…
    I heard on Nat Radio yesterday that the fall was in Auckland.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:41am
Tony Stuart

An interesting tweet popped up on my timeline on Saturday night:

https://twitter.com/EricABlair1948/status/1434063351806451713

Apparently, Speaker Trevor Mallard sent a message, via Twitter, to Radio NZ CEO and editor-in-chief Paul Thomson. Mallard’s tweet asked Thompson to review the story in the link below, in which Dr John Battersby, described by RNZ as “a specialist on terrorism and counter-terrorism at Massey University” said New Zealand’s terrorist laws were “outdated and deficient basically since they were passed.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/news-special/audio/2018811010/laws-outdated-and-deficient-dr-john-battersby

Mallard’s beef was that it was a “bad call” to describe Dr Battersby as an expert, as he didn’t have “expertise”. Mallard then added that RNZ’s reputation depended on it. Thompson replied to Mallard that “We will have a look at this”, and the story is still free to view on the RNZ website, without amendment.

So is it acceptable for the Speaker of the House of Representatives to be acting in this way, alerting to CEO of the state-funded media organisation that a story needs to be reviewed? Was the reference to RNZ’s reputation a coded shot across RNZ’s bows? Given that Mallard’s Twitter handle is @SpeakerTrevor, clearly associating with the office he holds in Parliament, should Mallard be more judicious in his social media use?

So many questions…
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September 6, 2021 9:02am
- burt
  
  Pravda
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:04am
- cmm
  
  He doesn’t seem to care about the experts when they support his cause.
  
  What is an expert in terrorism anyway? Someone who is a Che fan? Someone who’s a Mandela fan? Someone that’s been in a terrorist situation, hearing terrorist gunfire or bombs going off?
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:12am
- nathie
  
  TS: Perhaps Counter-terrorism expert Dr John Battersby could be given a right of reply (by RNZ and other media), now that Speaker bully Trevor Mallard has yet again denigrated a person’s reputation?
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:36am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I’m sure Dr Battersby would welcome the opportunity to further school Trevor Mallard 😀
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:54am
- nathie
  
  And as for RNZ CEO Paul Thompson … since when is RNZ answerable to Parliament’s Speaker?
  
  Does the RNZ Board not have a say anymore?
  
  Paul Thompson is a disgrace, he should resign over this (for not upholding process, for chucking his story reporter under a bus, and for being disloyal to RNZ by taking orders from, in essence, a politician)! The optics of this is corruption!
  
  As for Speaker Mallard too, he should resign for interfering with the operations of a company.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:44am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    On the contrary nathie; Thompson doesn’t appear to have acted on Mallard’s request; he merely said he’d take a look. Dr Battersby is still described as a counter-terrorism specialist. It’s Mallard who is made to look foolish.
    
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    September 6, 2021 9:52am
    - nathie
      
      Fair enough, but Thompson should have ignored Mallard’s tweet (it was a tweet for crying out loud!), rather than replying, giving it some gravitas and appearing to be obedient!
      
      (It makes one wonder if this was simply standard operating procedure – Labour Party/lackeys complain to media management and editors to have stories changed? Has Mallard inadvertently exposed how Labour operates)?
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:11am
- crikey
  
  TS: If only the same scrutiny was applied to “experts” relied upon by the government.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:56am
- Nickc2
  
  Didn’t Cindy state from the Podium of Lies that an urgent phone call had been made? Perhaps that was Mallard’s call to RNZ?
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:58am
- alex Masterley
  
  The Speaker should keep his gob shut. Story, end of.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:02am
- kowtow
  
  His master’s voice.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:05am
- curry4me
  
  Tony Stuart: I can think of 125 million reasons why RNZ would “look into it”. Let’s face it they’s shill for free.
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:15pm
- I remember when
  
  @ Tony Stuart;
  Trevor is going to be a very busy boy.
  1 NEWS Facebook: Counter-terrorism expert Dr John Battersby.
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:11pm
- Prince
  
  In any other Government this would be a scandal.
  In Ardern’s regime, it’s just another incident to be swept under the carpet. Don’t expect to see any of this on our Govt-funded news outlets this week.
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:29pm
burt

The details of who is vaccinated and who is not are a bit blurry in this story, does anyone know the facts?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300400249/covid19-middlemore-patient-tests-positive-staff-and-patients-in-selfisolation
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September 6, 2021 9:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  See my 10.32am post below. It’s been reported that two of the three men in the room had been vaccinated, including the 91-year-old. It’s the kind of cock-up that does nothing to inspire confidence in the health system.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:56am
  - burt
    
    Yes I did read that, I can’t see anywhere the vaccination status of the person who had covid, maybe I missed it. I was wondering if the reason they didn’t test him was because he was vaccinated and they are still brainwashed into thinking that means he won’t have it?
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:17pm
cmm

More fear porn from the modellers…

You’d think that after all their cockups their self-confidence would take a hit. But no, now they’re “predicting”.

“Later, Te Pūnaha Matatini experts turned to a more sophisticated form of model, called a stochastic branching process.”

Oooh! Lots of buzzwords that most people don’t understand. Must be very awesome!

“Still used because they were lightweight and fast-to-run, these models rendered a more accurate picture, and included the ability to include random effects, so that not every infectious case would be assumed to infect the same number of people.”

No they don’t render more accurate models. They are still entirely susceptible to garbage in garbage out.

“They’ve also been used to run counter-factual scenarios: and recently calculated how delaying last year’s level 4 lockdown by even another three weeks may have resulted in 200 deaths and 12,000 infections, while pushing the prospects of elimination down to just 7 per cent.”

A calculation by scientists… very compelling…
Tweak the numbers slightly and that 200 could go anywhere from 2 to 20,000.

And if that was good, now they have an even better model. A network contagion model that is “smarter still”.

Nope sorry, not really smarter. It’s just a dumb box of numbers. A nw contageon model allows the modelling of various individuals on an individual risk basis.

A nw gantagion model – like all models – is still succeptable to garbage in/garbage out because the controls need to be set for each individual.

No doubt this is a very important breakthrough because it is more “equitable”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-predicting-deltas-spread-with-nzs-super-model/SBRTFFIIOSVXT4SGLZLI647MFE/
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September 6, 2021 9:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  Depressing, isn’t it?
  
  As I’ve said before, the average clairvoyant is right more often than are these modelers.
  
  Yet people lap it up unthinkingly.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I went to see a Clairvoyant once.
    Knocked on her door and she called out…. “Who is it?”
    So I left.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Notice on clairvoyants door….
      
      Cancelled . Due to unforeseen circumstances.
      
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      September 6, 2021 10:03am
- westernScientest
  
  Oh no, they have discovered Bayesian priors, we are in big sh*t, its not just garbage in garbage out its:
  manipulation + garbage in, propoganda + garbage out.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:41am
- alex Masterley
  
  There are models and then there is reality.
  A bit like weather forcasts. Look at them and then look at the Barometer and finaly look out the window.
  More often than not the forecast bears no resemblance to what actually happens.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:04am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    All models are wrong, but some models are useful. (Including those employed for propagandizing)
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:01am
- cmm
  
  And our Christchurch modellers are no better:
  
  “New Zealand’s Delta outbreak could total fewer than 900 cases, new modelling indicates, with lockdown squeezing the coronavirus down to levels potentially lower than seen in April last year.”
  
  Those numbers have been all over the place and now we’re on a glide slope they make a more reasonable number.
  
  “But the University of Canterbury mathematician who’s run the latest numbers warns these predictions still rely on Kiwis sticking to their bubble, wearing masks and curbing spread as much as possible.”
  
  So if she’s wrong it’s our fault! The model’s right, reality is broken!
  
  We should be wearing masks which she should know does almost nothing.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-could-total-fewer-than-900-cases-model/M4R3Q7BIJ5PNVEFIQIWFTTGF7U/
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:19pm
I remember when

Peru: Covid deaths per million 5922.
The world leader.Peru imposed one of the earliest and strictest lockdowns in Latin America.
From 16th March until end of June, 2020.
But more than two months later the country is one of the regions worst-hit and hasn’t been able to flatten the curve.
The Guardian: Peru’s coronavirus response was ‘right on time’ – so why isn’t it working.
The usual answers were given – disobeying the rules, etc.
Is the problem one that is also highlighted by the Italians and Pacific Island communities.
While you may reduce the spread outside of the home with lockdown – in high density household situations is it almost guaranteed.
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September 6, 2021 9:11am
hullkiwi

We all thought Jacinda could butcher the English language, we were wrong.

Move over Jacinda, make way for Pene Henare. Over the weekend, he got the interviews on Newshub Nation & Q&A with Jack Lame.

Both shows asked Henare about the poor uptake of vaccine by Maori.

In answer to questions Henare sprinkled liberally the word “equity” (not “equality”). Was this deliberate or merely a nalapropism of an illiterate?

He claimed they gave equity to Maori by moving them to the front of the queue, but he lamented that take up was not good.

By the end of his interviews the viewer was non the wiser.

First we need to know what was he saying, in that:

Equity = an ownership stake in a venture or process; or did he mean

Equality = which means equal access, treatment and outcome.

If he meant the former, he was in effect saying “we gave Maori ownership of the process, and ownership of being first in line, but they dropped the ball”. All of which says the new Maori Health Authority will be a failure too.

As for equality, well as many of us have highlighted, do Maori really want that, or do they just want, free money without restrictions? So much for equity or equality.
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September 6, 2021 9:12am
- Tom Hunter
  
  In answer to questions Henare sprinkled liberally the word “equity” (not “equality”). Was this deliberate or merely a nalapropism of an illiterate?
  
  It’s deliberate; part of the modern Far Left’s vocabulary in “challenging power structures” to achieve equality of outcome, the old communist nirvana. Too embarrassing to use such terminology and phrasing any more so new propaganda words and phrases are needed.
  
  You see it used by Antifa and BLM all the time. I doubt Hanare’s there yet but because of the circles in which he moves he’s imbibed the propaganda terminology.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:55am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Yes, EQUITY these days mean manufacturing equal outcomes.
    
    The identity politics and SJWs dont want equality of opportunity: they don’t believe in it.
    The believe in white privilege, racist health systems and therefore manufacturing equal outcomes.
    
    This is the context in which you hear equity these days – it is in our institutions and even being adopted by corporations.
    
    Think of it as ‘positive discrimination’ , which is a delightfully 1984-flavoured concept.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:24pm
tf78

Peter Williams has retired very suddenly and won’t be back. I wonder if management didn’t like his right leaning views along with him not wanting to be vaccinated. We really are doomed this time.
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September 6, 2021 9:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  There was no indication when he signed off on Friday that he wouldn’t be back. Leah Panapa said that he had mentioned retirement, but it’s certainly happened with a hiss and a roar.
  
  At the same time, Ryan Bridge has been appointed to replace Duncan Garner on the AM Show. That’s great for his career, but it leaves two gaping holes for Magic Talk to fill.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    He did not retire. He was pushed out. He would have told listeners on Friday if he was retiring.
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:22pm
- Tricati
  
  Add Peter’s loss to that of Sean Plunket and to a minor degree, Duncan Garner there is something very smelly about all of this.
  Asking real, well researched questions seem to be to hard for the current government to handle, so in true communist form, shut down the dissenting voices.
  What a bunch of arseholes and expect Hosking is likely next.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:18am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    No way Hosking will get the boot.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:40pm
- Biscuit
  
  I’m pretty sure Peter has annoyed a few – if not all – of the wokist leftist pieces of excrement that make up the majority of the New Zealand mee-jya…
  
  Why, just look at Stuff’s report of his retirement.
  
  Not a word about him being ‘much-loved’, the mee-jya’s go-to term for one of their lot moves on…
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:31am
- Justitia
  
  This is sad news indeed. I listened to Peter on Friday and he gave no hint he would not be back on Monday, which can only suggest he has been pushed out. Has Magic Radio received or applied for money from Jacinda’s Public Interest Journalism Fund? This doesn’t add up.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I used to listen to him if I was in the car. Didn’t always agree with him but he was interesting.
  
  Also used to listen to Sean Plunkett in the car – for the same reason. Then they replaced him with a clown show duo.
  
  I will go back to listening to Concert FM 🙂
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:21pm
  - pussycat
    
    Good luck with that. Concert has now been infected with announcers who want to show off their virtue signalling te reo at every opportunity.
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:32pm
Master Mariner

Does any one still remember the Somali “Refugee” that attacked crew on Air NZ flight from Blenheim a few years back.
Also are people getting sick of the Fluff stories about Afghan Refugees from the Norwegian vessel Tampa in Australia?
These so called “success” stories attacked and assaulted the Master and crew after being rescued as per International Obligations. It is because of there actions in assaulting Ships crew that “unofficially” all shipping companies “steer clear” of rescuing any refugees .

The point I’m making is that they are from being innocent .

The next thing in my mind is Who has been “rescued ” from the Taliban and evacuated. Already Germany has 10 on the Terror list for returnees.

So that leaves NZ, What guarantees does NZ have that we will bring in Genuine personnel that have assisted NZDF?

Too be honest I’m not holding my breath.

Do we want to end up like London or other European Countries and turn a “Blind” eye.?
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September 6, 2021 9:14am
- westernScientest
  
  Yep they were a smarty pants. Wanted the pilot to fly a small domestic prop plane, doing a small domestic flight to Australia…
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:34am
Paulus Gnome

Peter Williams gone from Magic Talk.

That just about leaves the Hosk.

Tick tick tick
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September 6, 2021 9:14am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hoskings is moving to Australia after the 2023 election.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:42am
  - rockape
    
    Nah you got that wrong. It’s Arden moving to the US and the UN.
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:27pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Is this some weird New Zealand passive aggressive thing that communists do – you don’t like someone so you deliberately misspell their name?
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:35pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      Sorry, Hoskins.
      
      Happy now?
      
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      September 6, 2021 3:22pm
- hullkiwi
  
  It seems that if you are not complimentary about the government, and you are employed for an on-air programme by Mediaworks, then your days are numbered.
  The list so far:
  John Banks;
  Sean Plunkett;
  Duncan Garner; and now
  Peter Williams.
  
  If ever NZ needed a right of centre media outlet it is now.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:52am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    There’s a difference between Newshub, the TV/internet arm which is owned by Discovery Channel, and Mediaworks, which runs the radio stations.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:11am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Tony, they were all Mediaworks employees. Newshub is Mefiaworks news subsidiary.
      
      Magic radio is a subsidiary of Mediaworks.
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:19am
    - curry4me
      
      Tony Stuart: Yes, there is a difference in ownership. Both outfits still shill for Labour though.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:22pm
  - nathie
    
    “If ever NZ needed a right of centre media outlet it is now.”
    
    Check out Sean Plunket’s twitter.
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:51pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Plunkett tweeted something like “watch this space for a new media outlet”. All these very experienced and competent broadcasters may be heading that way. I hope so.
      
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      September 6, 2021 4:16pm
Yvette

Covid test numbers – Was the Guardian (yesterday) wrong?
Since recording 83 cases a week ago, daily case numbers have been 53, 49, 75, 49, 28 and now 20, two days in a row. All of the 20 cases reported on Sunday were in Auckland.

In the past 24 hours, 9,238 people were tested for the virus, a drop of nearly 2000 people from the day prior. A decrease in testing numbers is common during weekends. Analysis shows over 20% of Auckland’s population has been tested for the virus.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/05/new-zealand-reports-20-new-covid-cases-as-spread-of-delta-slows

In fact official records [1] show
05 September 2021 (Sunday) Number of tests total (last 24 hours): 9,238
Tests in Auckland (last 24 hours): 2,592

04 September 2021 (Saturday) There are 20 new community cases of COVID-19 to report today, all in Auckland.
Number of tests total (last 24 hours): 11,037
Tests in Auckland (last 24 hours): 5,322

So of “20 cases, two days in a row” all in Auckland, the quote “9,238 people were tested for the virus, a drop of nearly 2000 people from the day prior” is wrong and the official figures for Auckland were 2,592 against 5,322 the day before, or 48.7% of the day before, less than half, while the cases, 20 each day were the same.

Statistical naïvety would suggest 20 cases yesterday may have been greater if the same number of tests were done as the day before – but there are “lies, damned lies and statistics”, as Mark Twain has said, obviously not about covid, but something else that bugged him.

And this morning on Newshub from RNZ –
Delta outbreak: Officials concerned about sharp drop in COVID-19 testing numbers.
Auckland has been put on notice – get testing if you want to get out of level 4.
But COVID-19 swabbing numbers have been falling so fast in the city, some centres closed early at the weekend.
There were just 2592 tests in Auckland on Saturday, a tenth of the number some days early in the lockdown.
Ministry of Health said it wanted to see about 7000 tests a day to keep an eye out for any undetected COVID-19 cases that could cause the outbreak to keep going.
So far in Auckland that’s not happening.

Te Whānau o Waipareira chief executive John Tamihere said one of its west Auckland centres closed at 1pm yesterday because there was no one to test.
Some days in this outbreak they had been open till 9pm to get the job done.
South Seas Healthcare chief executive Lemalu Silao Vaisola-Sefo said they have gone from about 1400 swabs a day to fewer than 200.

The country could not afford to be complacent about its falling case numbers – 20 for two days in a row – and needed only to look to Victoria who were on the road to beating COVID-19 when cases numbers rose again. [2]

[1] https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-news-and-media-updates
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/delta-outbreak-officials-concerned-about-sharp-drop-in-covid-19-testing-numbers.html
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September 6, 2021 9:21am
- I remember when
  
  So “Auckland has been put on notice – get testing if you want to get out of level 4.”
  Sounds like Auckland are the problem.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:48am
  - kevn
    
    @I rem… jabs, testing… anything else?
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yvette, well sleuthed again.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:00am
- westernScientest
  
  maybe there are just nearly no people left who have been to a place of interest or have symptoms, and have not yet been tested.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maybe everyone has bruised nasal cavities
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:27pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I wonder about that too. We’ve been at home for weeks now, so probably anyone who had cold or flu symptoms is over whatever they had by now. Maybe there’s just no-one left who feels they need testing.
    
    It’s almost like the MoH is threatening people – if you don’t test, we won’t let you out of lockdown. But if I feel well, why would I go in for testing?
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:57pm
    - westernScientest
      
      Not only that, their advice is that you should either have symptoms, or have been at a place of interest, otherwise you shouldn’t get tested
      
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      September 6, 2021 2:08pm
jon

Hear Peter Williams has departed suddenly from Magic 9am talkback. Shouldnt be surprised as this station completes the transition to full WOKENESS. Imagine the advertisers have got to the wimp radio station management. No spine!
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September 6, 2021 9:24am
- I remember when
  
  Forgetting, of course, that if there is anyone who can go faster than staff it is advertisers.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:50am
  - kowtow
    
    One of their biggest “advertisers” is you and me ,taxpayers via the gubbermint .
    
    Diddle diddle dum , ki ora , wear a mask , be obedient.
    
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    September 6, 2021 10:58am
- kowtow
  
  Plunkett was first to be axed , then Banksy .
  
  I wondered how long Williams would last as the Regime had already unpersoned him ( Robertson and the Great Reset)
  
  There’s no way it was a “retirement” .
  
  I’ll bet they gave him the DCM.
  
  The slow death of true democracy.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:01am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  The total cleansing of the MSM is on target.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:08am
- burt
  
  “It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.”
  
  ― Voltaire
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:08am
- igm
  
  Do not buy anything off those that advertise on Magic . . . that is our only way. Advertisers should realise those of the right are the ones with buying power, not the taxpayer-funded leeching left.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:25am
  - rockape
    
    I agree, I will make a list of all who advertise and non will get my custom. There are. Always alternatives and they are easily found.
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:23pm
    - jon
      
      After many years of listening to Magic Talk i will no longer be tuning in. If someone could come up with a list of their advertisers i imagine many on here would be interested given most KB readers believe in FREE SPEECH.
      
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      September 6, 2021 1:44pm
- nathie
  
  That’s a real shame. I really liked Peter’s daily opening statements, he clearly spent time thinking about an issue and crafting his message. As usual they were informative and on target. I always looked forward to them. His professionalism and integrity was second to none.
  
  So MagicTalk has lost another star (following Sean Plunket in February and Tony Amos in July). Another star Ryan Bridge looks likely to go to tv’s AM Show. Only Leah Panapa remains with star appeal on the radio station.
  
  Although Danny Watson and Graham Hill are “entertaining” in their own ways, the rest of the revolving “fill-ins” are boring!
  
  Oh wait, except for Hayden Rickard – that guy needs his own show back again!
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Ryan Bridge has been confirmed this morning as Garner’s fulltime replacement. And it looks like Leah Panapa will take over from Williams in a solo spot. I can tolerate Leah on her own, but the Panapa/Watson programme is unbearable. And Graham Hill; no thank you!
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:03am
    - kowtow
      
      I refuse to listen to Wokism.
      
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      September 6, 2021 11:55am
      - nathie
        
        Think the woke lefties are pressuring the company and its sponsors in particular – so don’t let the wokie leftie b’stards win (by not listening when you can)!
        
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        September 6, 2021 12:44pm
KevO'Brien

A little off topic but a possible opportunity to share with KB’s.
I about to retire from my herbalist role and the RubItOn business as a whole is being made available on very favourable terms to a suitable person.

The products are too successful to drop and I’m too old to continue.
All of them were based on current scientific papers. The upshot was ancient oils were selected. They enabled me to walk, fixed someone’s diabetic ulcer, psoriasis is controlled, get up and go with back pain, osteoarthritis tamed, wounds grow new skin, mood uplift, mouth care, suitable for baby care upwards…

Truly I got much more than I hoped for than basic family care. This I have to find a home for as my family cannot take it on. If of interest or you would like further info please use the contact form on rubiton.co.nz (That site is about to be refreshed, to keep me out of mischief during the lock down, and will be included in the package.)

I’m not specially ailing but constantly reminded I’m not immortal either.
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September 6, 2021 9:24am
bythesea

The Sex Self-Identification (BDMRR) Bill is open for consultation until 14 September.
The bill makes it even easier to change sex recorded on the birth certificate.

https://speakupforwomen.nz/ site has a very helpful page for crafting a submission, using a template with various sections you can add based on your personal views about the matter.

I hope our host Mr Farrar, might consider adding an article for it to encourage its consideration by the readers.
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September 6, 2021 9:28am
- thirteenstars
  
  I think you’ll find he’s in favour of that bill, and hardly likely to promote an organisation that is so un-woke it still thinks sex is a fact and not simply some malleable social construct.
  
  I for one say all power to them.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:13am
- cmm
  
  It is really stupid allowing people to change birth certificates.
  
  A birth certificate records the facts of a birth. If a person changes gender (or race, or name, or where they live) the facts of the birth do not change.
  
  If the attribute of birth gender can be edited, then what about other attributes?
  
  I am not to pleased that my birth certificate records that I was born in South Africa to an alcoholic and a mental patient. I would rather I had been born elsewhere, to different parents who are more consistent with my personality.
  
  Can I please get myself a new birth certificate saying I was born in NZ as a love child of computer greats Grace Hopper and John von Neumann?
  
  If we’re going to make the facts of a birth editable, perhaps we should rather ask what is the point of a birth certificate anyway. Perhaps we should just scrap them.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:29am
  - Taieri
    
    It is really stupid allowing people to change birth certificates.
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    Altering documents post factum used to be called forgery. So, it’s not just “stupid”, it’s a fraud. And fraud is (or used to be) a criminal offence.
    
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    September 6, 2021 11:33am
    - Nickc2
      
      Has there ever been a Govt so hell-bent on destroying the country it governs than this one?
      My wish is that true NZers wake up real soon and get rid of this mob.
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:36pm
  - Ehlana
    
    It’s positively Orwellian. Sex, as determined by visible sex organs, is, well, visible at birth. It is the lived identity of the child for however many years it takes to reach the point of deciding to change their name and gender presentation.
    This is what actually happened. If someone can’t handle the reality of their own first years of life, are they really in a position to make such huge choices as taking drugs to alter their bodily appearance?
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:04pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Having done a lot of work on family history I must be strongly opposed. The record of origin ties in family connection over the centuries. That implicitly carries basic genetic info which may be relevant to the present. It’s important a clear lineage is established for those to follow.
    
    Birth records are not available to outsiders for 60 years or so thus they are not very consequential to the parties involved however they may feel about it.
    A later addendum allowing recording of the persons preferred gender would not be unreasonable but should be seen as an extension not a substitution.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:54pm
    - cmm
      
      “That implicitly carries basic genetic info which may be relevant to the present. It’s important a clear lineage is established for those to follow. ”
      
      Sounds a bit like eugenics to me? Aryan lineage? Perfect breeding?
      
      I don’t really care much for lineage even though it connects me to Scots Lairds with castles and a great great grandfather who was a Canadian PM.
      
      It also connects me to the fore-mentioned alcoholic father and mental patient mother.
      
      I care more about what a person can do themselves rather than by relying on the crutch of lineage for their supposed value to society.
      
      I’d rather be judged by how I stand on my own two feet than on whether my grandfather was famous or my father was an alcoholic.
      
      A note attached to a person’s record is one thing, but that is not what is being debated. When they say they want to “correct” birth certificates they mean reissuing the birth certificate to record the chosen gender. I believe in some places such “corrections” are also applied for adoptions.
      
      Making these arbitrary just makes the whole concept of birth certificates rather pointless.
      
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      September 6, 2021 5:55pm
    - Taieri
      
      A later addendum allowing recording of the persons preferred gender would not be unreasonable but should be seen as an extension not a substitution
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      “Preferred gender” is subjective and can’t be verified. Therefore, there’s no need for documents recording it.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:20pm
- curry4me
  
  bythesea: Thanks, I’ll put the link on my FB page.
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:26pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Didn’t take the time to read the comments re Seymour’s tweet, but I hope someone has told him there’s no evidence a vaccinated person cannot pass on Covid 19.
But what do you expect of something that didn’t know he owned 3 houses?
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September 6, 2021 9:28am
- westernScientest
  
  They are all pretty useless, ACT just have slightly less of a desire to force it on everyone in their daily lives.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:32am
- I remember when
  
  Sorry didn’t mean to report just reply.
  Does owned mean you own.
  Like they are yours to sell if you want to do so.
  I think you will find he will never by able to do this – certainly not on his own.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:40am
I remember when

Ida Brings Deadly Climate Warning:
This was no ordinary storm.
Officials warned that extreme weather events may well become commonplace with the warming climate.
Is now the time to emphasize that this would be the case whether man-made or not.
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September 6, 2021 9:35am
- kowtow
  
  In a post truth world even the weather is political.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:57am
igm

So the Ardern bribe has taken yet another scalp.
Peter Williams has gone from Magic, without warning.
Seems we are definitely under the thumb of a power crazed communist harridan using our taxes to buy media support for her vile ideology.
He ran a sound programme but did not adhere to her narrative . . . cut taxpayer funding or get rid him!
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September 6, 2021 9:53am
Maggie Pie

Wonder if Mark Richardson regrets ‘outing’ Ryan Bridge live on air?
Bet he didn’t think Ryan would ever be running the show one day! 😛
Amanda will be safe…thank goodness.
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September 6, 2021 10:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I think Bridge now, with a bit of time having elapsed, believes that Richardson did him a favour, and that no one really cares what his sexual orientation is. There’s definitely a chemistry between Richardson and Bridge from the odd snippets I hear on the radio, and I see no reason why they can’t work together.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:07am
  - Muttonbird
    
    They are both hard right wing so I’m not surprised their chemistry is fine.
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:53pm
    - Yabster
      
      Hard right wing? -hardly- although they do ask tricky question I suppose in your eyes that makes them hard right wing…. your village is missing you Mutton..
      
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      September 6, 2021 1:50pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So anyone to the right of Jeremy Corbyn is ‘hard right wing’ then?
      (In Muttonbrain’s crazy world.)
      
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      September 6, 2021 2:13pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Hard right wing? Do you even know what that means?
      
      I can’t think if any hard right wing people in politics or media here, although there are some unashamedly open & conventional Marxists on the other political sphere.
      
      Even ‘right of centre’ in NZ is basically left, compared to overseas – we take a welfare state for granted, and some form of large government.
      
      Do you even think before you post, or are you the mental equivalent of a weak sphincter?
      
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      September 6, 2021 3:37pm
    - Joely Doe
      
      The left on Stuff really do operate in their own world…
      
      kmg31
      So I guess you’ve never watched Three, where their journalists and newshub worship at the feet of the right and in particular the AM show? Ryan Bridge is further right than Genghis Khan – more so than Duncan was if possible.
      
      ZifnabYes, because there aren’t vast numbers of right wing media personalities in NZ. Hoskings and duPleissis Allen are figments of our imagination…
      
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      September 6, 2021 6:50pm
- jon
  
  Richardson is ACE. Am sure Ryan is happy in his own skin and has a great future. Amanda well too woke for me.
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:53pm
CAKE FACE1

It’s about fighting the machine in small ways.

I have never even downloaded the app. Bluetooth is off.

It is now mandatory to sign in. I walk past it. So do most other people.

If contact tracers come to me, I will give them a blank piece of paper.

What does it all mean?

Maybe rethink your approach from scratch, you fascists.
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September 6, 2021 10:26am
- MCos
  
  Suit yourself, Cake Face.
  It’s a free world. Don’t carry on as if a you can’t wait to be dragged kicking and screaming to some black hole for systematic torture just so you can say
  ‘ I told you this would happen’
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:59am
Gosman

Typical victim blaming from Donna Miles in today’s Dominion Post.

https://fairfaxmedia.pressreader.com/the-dominion-post/20210906/281852941679689

I especially find this bit appalling:

“Terrorism prevention requires a holistic approach. From examining our foreign policy to societal inequalities, we need to ask ourselves some hard questions like:

Did we really need to go to Afghanistan? How does institutionalised racism affect our various communities? How can state policies, even those meant to protect us, produce violence, And should we better regulate hate propaganda?”

There has been a concerted effort not to link Muslims as a community with the attack in New Lynn which is to be commended. However this idea that the attack is somehow a result of some flaws in our society is just as bad if not worse.
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September 6, 2021 10:32am
- nathie
  
  Frankly when I see Donna Mile’s sulky face and accompanying woke/racist headline … I just think “what a woke/racist ahole” and never click on her links. Honestly who cares what she thinks, as she dumps upon her (kiwi) hosts and wider society?
  
  Thankfully Jack5 usually gives us an entertaining summation of her crazy thoughts every now and then! Nice to see your review too.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:46am
- Nickc2
  
  Donna Miles: This scribbler is a mate of Goly G. Take a skim over this and you will see where she’s coming from in her scribblings.
  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/blogs/post/finding-a-place-word-christchurch-spring-festival-2020/
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:47am
  - Jack5
    
    [deleted for a number of personal attacks and reputational claims that are unjustified – Mod]
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      [one of our primary functions is to protect DPF from defamation claims. You made a number of claims regarding the personal life, ethics, physical attributes, and motivations of the person concerned. All of which are against the commenting guidelines of the blog and potentially place legal risk on DPF. If you wish to engage further you can email DPF to complain. – Mod]
      
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      September 6, 2021 12:27pm
Tony Stuart

A very concerning case at Middlemore Hospital last night; TVNZ reports:

A man who shared a room with three others in a surgical ward at Middlemore Hospital in Auckland has tested positive for Covid-19.

An employee at the hospital confirmed the case to 1 NEWS on Sunday evening.

Three men are in the room at the Edmund Hillary Block ward, one of them is a 91-year-old who told 1 NEWS a fourth man was admitted around 7am on Sunday.

The elderly man, who does not want to be named, said the person was “sneezing and coughing and made us all worried”.

He explained that at about 10:30am on Sunday “a few doctors came in to check him out”.

Having overheard the conversation with the doctors, he says it became clear to everyone else in the room that the new arrival had Covid symptoms.

“They checked if he had a cough, he had a fever, could not smell or taste and quite frankly – his symptoms were very unpleasant,” the elderly patient told 1 NEWS.

“The three of us in the room were horrified,” he said.

“They gave him a test, we knew he’d been tested because we heard the conversation.

“He stayed in his bed and slept a lot.”

The elderly patient said around 3:30pm two nurses in full PPE arrived and took the man away.

“At 5pm a nurse came in and said the room is going to be locked down. The ward seemed to empty out at about 3pm. Even though there were no visitors, everything went quiet on the ward.”

The three patients remaining in the room expect to be tested in the next several days and say they’ve “been locked in”.

“I’m 91 – I’m an ill man and seriously at risk. It was so damned obvious when we saw him in the room.

“I feel it’s negligence,” he said.

“How did he get admitted into the Edmund Hillary block with three others let alone the fourth floor?”

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/major-stuff-up-patient-in-middlemore-surgical-ward-tests-positive-covid-19

For months, we’ve heard how transmissible the Delta variant of Covid is. So here we have a man, ill enough to need admission to hospital, with Covid symptoms, placed in a general ward whilst his Covid test is processed. Only after the positive test came back, did the PPE come out.

And now three men, including a 91-year-old, are effectively locked down in a hospital ward because someone made the decision to park the fourth man up in their room. Surely, this bloke should have been isolated until such time as his test came back.

The only possible excuse is that Middlemore is under so much pressure that someone made an error of judgment. That won’t be much comfort though for the three blokes who now face an extended stay in hospital. Fortunately, two of the three men, including the 91-year-old, are vaccinated.

It’s interesting too that a staff member alerted TVNZ. With our honest and transparent government, would we ever have found out about this otherwise?
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September 6, 2021 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  Hard and early
  Gold standard .
  
  The fact is that the world over tens of thousands of sick people were exposed to wuflu within the “health” system and died because they weren’t properly cared for in hospital , at the hands of the gubbermint .
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:39am
- WaynelSexton
  
  [an abhorrent insinuation of motivation by medical staff. Close to getting a clip over the head and a week off, cool it please – Mod]
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:21am
Happychappy

Grant Robertson seems pretty relaxed over it Tony , I wonder where Jacinda Ardern is .
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/covid-19-case-middlemore-ward-disturbing-robertson
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September 6, 2021 10:36am
Ehlana

It probably won’t change anyone’s mind, so politicised has this topic now become, but the Economist reports the outcome on actual effort to find out what difference wearing masks makes in the real world. It involved 350,000 in 600 villages in Bangladesh at a time Covid was circulating widely. They tested three options – do nothing, cloth masks and surgical masks.
One finding was that when masks and training in wearing them was provided, 42% of people wore them correctly, as opposed to 13% elsewhere.
Their key finding was that, after 8 weeeks, prevalence of Covid-19 was 8% lower in villages provided with cloth masks and 14% lower in villages using surgical masks. Surgical masks were associated with a 35% reduction in confirmed symptomatic cases among those 60 and older.

So perhaps a sensible approach is to allow and encourage mask wearing, especially among those who are elderly (and probably the medically vulnerable als0). But not to worry too much about mandating it, especially among the younger and healthier.
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September 6, 2021 10:37am
- krazykiwi
  
  That mask study has been comprehensively fisked here: bangladesh mask study: do not believe the hype
  
  people tend to call economics “the dismal science” because it’s so difficult to do controlled experiments. you cannot simply run the economy once with interest rates at 4% then again at 6% and compare. it’s inherently limiting to the discipline.
  
  but this bangladesh study, originally published by “the national bureau of economic research” is so bad that i fear this is way past that. (newer version HERE but this the same study with new data cuts added.) even those legends of non-replication and bias injection in sociology and psychology would not accept a study like this. i have no idea how NBER fell for it.
  
  this one would get you laughed out of a 7th grade science fair.
  
  it violates pretty much every single tenet of setting up and running a randomized controlled experiment. its output is not even sound enough to be wrong. it’s complete gibberish.
  
  truly, a dismal day for the dismal science and those pushing it into public health.
  
  and yet the twitterati (and there are MANY) are treating this like some sort of gold standard study.
  
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  September 6, 2021 10:46am
  - JohnRidd
    
    Bangladesh are using ivermectin.
    
    “In Bangladesh, most cases of Covid-19 are being
    detected early with the majority of patients recovering without hospitalisation or critical care. According to a leaked inter-agency UN memo dated March 26, 2020 it was predicted that based on the extraordinary human densities in Bangladesh (ranking number 8th in the list of countries by population and comprising 2.11 percent of the entire world population), the impact of Covid-19 without interventions can result in up to 2 million deaths during the epidemic wave. Despite the odds, as of today, only about 8,000 deaths have been reported in Bangladesh. With Ivermectin being taken in nearly every household across the country, the drug is supposedly one of the contributors to the low death rate, early recovery and declining numbers of affected cases reported in Bangladesh.
    
    Needless to say, the use of masks and precautionary measures are of utmost importance regardless of one’s vaccination status. However, along with a well-organised nationwide vaccination programme, Bangladesh can strengthen its guard against Covid-19 by continuing the use of the widely available, safe and cheap drug, Ivermectin 12mg to 18mg tablet once every 2 weeks. With the exclusion of pregnant and lactating mothers, this is applicable for those who have not received the vaccine yet and are awaiting their turn; a temporary yet effective shield.”
    
    https://www.thedailystar.net/opinion/news/shield-those-waiting-covishield-2052277
    
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    September 6, 2021 4:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What needs to be clarified about our Islamist terrorist is his relationship to events and people back in Sri Lanka…. specifically around Kattakundy.

The town he came from suffered a terrible Muslim massacre in 1990.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kattankudy_mosque_massacre

It is also the town where the alleged perpetrator of the 2019 Easter bombings came from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivbBgDIrxJc
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September 6, 2021 10:51am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Thanks Maggie. I can’t say I’ve seen this reference to the 1990 massacre from the MSM. Excuses nothing, of course, but provides some insight as to why he was a disturbed fellow.
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:15pm
Mrs_Right

By watching TVNZ’s Home Learning TV you’d think our country’s population is mostly Maori and 90% of us speak the langue.

If people wan to learn the language and learn about the culture they will!
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September 6, 2021 10:58am
Ehlana

krazykiwi, you make my point about the politicisation of this issue. Your rebuttal, it should be noted, comes from someone called el gato malo (https://boriquagato.substack.com/people/32715357-el-gato-malo).

I fear the long-term damage of our increasing polarisation may be greater than that of a new virus or changing climates.
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September 6, 2021 11:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, I had a QED moment as I posted that. And I agree re increasing polarisation.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:18am
Critical Thinker

Pfizer Releases Brand New, Never-Before-Seen Drug ‘Pfivermectin’

“It’s important to understand that this drug is nothing like Ivermectin, even though Pfivermectin rhymes with Ivermectin and it pretty much does the exact same thing,” said Pfizer CEO Hans Pfizer. “Everyone knows Ivermectin is a widely discredited horse drug, and ours is not. Very important distinction there.”
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin
?
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September 6, 2021 11:12am
- cmm
  
  We’re supposed to believe this is basically Ivermectin done right, by the people who made a “vaccine” needs 1 jab, no make that 2, no 3, oh bugger it just pit in a drip!
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:53pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Satire is difficult.
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:15pm
bennerg

With respect to knives been withdrawn from sale, I would prefer to see an emergency regulation (aka captains call) issued to immediately have all similarly classified individuals placed into “monitored care”.

We have an MIQ system for those who “may be” infectious, so why on earth is there not a place for those who may be a credible risk to the rest of us due to their mental / ideological state.
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September 6, 2021 11:13am
- MCos
  
  Who’s going to be the adjudicator?
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:41am
- marcw
  
  Just one question – what if the greens were in Government, with Prime Minister Marama Davidson? I think you see the flaw.
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:43pm
Rusty

krazy kiwi — while I dont disagree with a lot of things you say perhaps the genocide comment might be a bit extreme. Yet I have family in Melbourne and Queensland and the feedback from them is while the lock downs are frustrating they seem to accept them as being necessary— and they are conservative people.
It has been suggested to me people living in those states are reluctant to tell others by phone or social media their real feelings —maybe I dont know.
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September 6, 2021 11:21am
- Inandout
  
  Rusty, snail mail does still exist I believe.
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:47am
- kowtow
  
  And yet it is perfectly acceptable for lefties , academics and Little New Zealanders to uncritically state there was and is a genocide against Aboriginals over there .
  
  And First nations in Canada . ( it’s OK to bag the Taigs)
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:50am
Fletch

Australia to lock people out of their health system who are not vaccinated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPamOnjMcM

See how he lies about “unvaccinated people spreading the virus around” when we all know damn well that even the vaccinated and catch and spread the virus.
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September 6, 2021 11:33am
- Fletch
  
  ps, this is Dan Andrews talking about Victoria…
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:42am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Excellent news for those who have long advocated private healthcare systems rather than Public.
  
  This is an additional argument and a powerful one: a Public healthcare system will let you suffer and die because you made the wrong decision – the wrong politically correct decision that is (in the best old Soviet definition of the term).
  
  Approved decisions like drug use and such will still be okay and you’ll get healthcare. But smoking and now refusing to get vaccinated? No!
  
  Wonder what’s next?
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Waiting on the science that proves you can pass on a disease that you don’t have, to someone who is immune to it….
Don’t mind me-
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September 6, 2021 11:33am
- MCos
  
  Cabin fever getting to you
  
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  September 6, 2021 11:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Getting to everyone LOL. All sort sof weird memes on my FB LOL
    
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    September 6, 2021 12:39pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0FyVfNDyho

Trump’s deal with Thailand has just come to the fore.

Trump’s past initiatives in Thailand and the rising chances of his return as the US President in 2024 have compelled Xi to appoint an Ambassador to Thailand.
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September 6, 2021 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My Thai friend (sort of stepdaughter of 17 years) now in Alaska will be so happy she left Thailand
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:16pm
curry4me

https://nypost.com/2021/09/04/what-its-really-like-to-be-a-cancel-culture-victim/

What it’s really like to be cancelled — and how I overcame it.

Kevin Hart, Megyn Kelly, Joe Rogan, Kanye West and other celebrities have all faced cancel culture — a merciless, social media backlash targeting their comments and beliefs, which seeks to remove them from society.
But this social firing squad isn’t just for the elite. In fact, most cancel culture victims are young, voiceless, financially vulnerable or don’t have a major platform on which to defend themselves.
Last year, I became one of those victims.
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September 6, 2021 11:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good essay..
  
  Some of the trolls on this blog should read it.
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:35pm
  - curry4me
    
    Maggy Wasssilieff: Thanks. They won’t though.
    
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    September 6, 2021 6:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Rav Arora is only 20 – he is going places
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:21pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT1yPMYtQJQ

Tehreek-E-Taliban Pakistan claims attack in Quetta.

A suicide bomb blast has rocked Quetta. Tehreek-E-Taliban Pakistan has claimed responsibility for the suicide attack. At least four people are claimed to have been killed in the attack and 15 others are left injured. [2:05. Maybe this is the nut bar equivalent of the Judean Peoples Front?]
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September 6, 2021 11:36am
JibberJabber

Bidens Philadelphia, what Ardern wants for New Zealand…
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1434518004876857347

We are 1/2 way there already…
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September 6, 2021 11:37am
- dcrane
  
  And Newsom’s LA:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOj8CBnchI0
  
  A few interesting characters in that video
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:49pm
Critical Thinker

The great philosopher George Carlin knew ?

“What we have now are a completely neurotic population obsessed with security and safety. Where did this sudden fear of germs come from in this country? Have you noticed this? The media, constantly running stories about all the latest infections.

Besides, what do you think you have an immune system for? It’s for killing germs! But it needs practice… it needs germs to practice on.

So listen! If you kill all the germs around you, and live a completely sterile life, then when germs do come along, you’re not gonna be prepared. And never mind ordinary germs, what are you gonna do when some super-virus comes along that turns your vital organs into liquid?

I’ll tell you what you’re gonna do… you’re gonna get sick, you’re gonna die, and you’re gonna deserve it cause you’re weak and you got a weak immune system!”

https://twitter.com/MichaelLBelcher/status/1434234824852754432
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September 6, 2021 11:47am
ecco

I see that Ryan Bridge is taking over from Duncan Garner. (He is ok-ish but I don’t think I’ll be watching that show as regularly as when Garner was hosting it).

In Bridge’s place is the woke Lloyd Burr, whom I will not be listening to whatsoever.

What is happening at mediaworks since Wallace arrived? I also see Peter Williams stepping down. Did Garner and Williams step down willingly or were they pushed by Wallace? It appears to be the latter.

Running a media company is very different to being the communications person at an airline. Just saying.
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September 6, 2021 11:50am
- kowtow
  
  Bridge is woke .
  
  Months ago on the radio he was having great fun playing the English nurses doing the haka.
  
  What sounded like an elderly maori woman phned in and tore strips off him and demanding very stridently that he never play the clip again.
  
  He promised not to and the fear in his voice was palpable.
  
  And wot’s happening at magic can be described in one word ” purge”
  
  last week Williams had a great cross section of topics , from the human rights lawyer on the judges interference to 3 waters .
  
  Not to mention allowing phone in on topics “dear to the govts” heart.
  
  No wonder he was binned.
  
  Be very afraid.
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:24pm
- ecco
  
  Wonder how much Wallace is getting paid to do this hatchet job on Mediaworks.
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:43pm
- jon
  
  One can only hope that we see in the not too distant future, the DCM given to this spineless Cam Wallace. Hopefully too, he isnt allowed to make a graceful exit.
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:22pm
Jack5

Cancel-culture zealots are picking on the computer industry. It’s typical of mob crazes, widening as the hysteria intensifies.

For quite a while, Woke Woofters have been trying to get new names for master-slave ranking of hard disks when one (or more) is subsidiary to a master disc. Master is the “boss” disc.

Now the crazies are after the use of “Bob and Alice” in cryptography. This has been the typical way of talking of a corresponding pair when you are talking about messages. “Bob” transmits to “Alice,” etc.

Computer science lecturers at Edinburgh University have been told to “avoid using predominantly Western names such as Alice/Bob, as is common in the computer security literature.”

The Telegraph reports the university’s senior managers are carrying out an “inclusivity impact assessment” of any new courses before they can be approved to ensure “every new course will have to explicitly consider decolonisation.”

The university was founded in 1582. Recently it changed the name of a tower that had celebrated David Hume, one of the world’s greatest philosophers. Hume began studies at Edinburgh University from the age of 12. That was 298 years ago.

The move followed an online petition with only about 1,700 signatures that claimed Hume “wrote racist epithets” and called for the building to be renamed.
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September 6, 2021 12:25pm
- surfing
  
  People making these claims are boring and pathetic individuals with nothing better to do than annoy people with actual talent.
  
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  September 6, 2021 12:46pm
  - dcrane
    
    And American universities are rapidly becoming populated mainly by compliance cultists who are willing to tolerate such nonsense.
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:25pm
- cmm
  
  Computing was once a meritocracy. Now it is getting more and more woke every day.
  
  We’re seeing “researchers” being awarded PhDs in feminist computing – alleging that computers are inherently sexist because the CPUs are predominantly designed by men and thus programs written by women don’t work as well. A bit of a slap in the face for the mowne who have made it.
  
  We’re seeing the same for black vs white too (forgetting that Asians and Jews play a massive role in computer design).
  
  Standard practices like code reviews (ie. having other people check code to make sure it is high quality) are getting shelved because they are stressful and judgemental.
  
  As we get more powerful computers we can replace efficient code with less efficient code which compensates for some of the resulting crapness in code construction. However the result is that we don’t get the performance we should, computers are more expensive than they need to be and use more power than they should (ie. burn more coal etc).
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:05pm
kowtow

They’re running the illegal , police approved ,contrary to L3 regulations , roadblocks and are even contemplating mobile vigilantyism .

Unbelievable . The rule of law no longer applies.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126293678/covid19-iwi-say-checkpoints-with-police-are-reducing-nonessential-traffic
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September 6, 2021 1:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  This is not only illegal, it’s outrageous. Here we have the Govt telling us all to stay at home and prosecutions will follow if we don’t. BUT, BUT, BUT, it doesn’t apply to self-appointed Maori who man illegal roadblocks. How does that work?
  I sure as hell didn’t read anything about this in the He Puapua report/plan but it now seems Maori are above the law and they are being assisted in this by none other than the fucking Police of all things.
  FGS, someone in the Govt put a stop to this shit!
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:03pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Police should be arrested.
    They’re beyond sloppy. When out law enforcers actively bypass the law why should anyone else obey?
    
    Who was responsible for the recent terrorist being held for three years in prison on remand? Was that another Police crime? Being on remand I expect he would have been on a “call over” list for a Court re-appearance in the short term. Those can be renewed. I am suspicious that he was dropped from such a procedure. I cannot imagine this occurred over the whole three years.
    As these frequently involve the Court Registrars was there a quiet hint to them to ignore him? I doubt if a Judge was involved.
    I am not excusing the terrorist by any means but we do not punish before the crime. The right to liberty except by lawful trial is enshrined in a thousand years of law. It is to stop tyranny. Do we now how have Nu Tirani?
    
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    September 6, 2021 4:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Been operating up here around East Cape
    
    https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20210831/community-checkpoint-shut-down/
    
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    September 6, 2021 4:31pm
- Inandout
  
  kow, I presume all those ‘special constables’ have been checked for past convictions.
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:33pm
- Ehlana
  
  It never made sense. If you’re worried about Covid spreading in your community, the last thing you want to do is block the road, force cars to stop and wind down their windows so they can spread any illnesses they have to you.
  And you can take them home to your community.
  How does that keep you all safer?
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:08pm
Nickc2

Some trivia for our times:
The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That’s an exceedingly odd number.
Why was that gauge used?
Well, because that’s the way they built them in England, and English engineers designed the first US railroads.
Why did the English build them like that?
Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the wagon tramways, and that’s the gauge they used.
So, why did ‘they’ use that gauge then?
Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that same wheel spacing.
Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?
Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break more often on some of the old, long distance roads in England . You see, that’s the spacing of the wheel ruts.
So who built those old rutted roads?
Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England ) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since.
And what about the ruts in the roads?
Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match or run the risk of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome , they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Therefore the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. Bureaucracies live forever.
So the next time you are handed a specification/procedure/process and wonder ‘What horse’s ass came up with this?’, you may be exactly right. Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses. (Two horses’ asses.)
Now, the twist to the story:
When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah . The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains, and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses’ behinds.
So, a major Space Shuttle design feature, of what is arguably the world’s most advanced transportation system, was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse’s ass. And you thought being a horse’s ass wasn’t important? Ancient horse’s asses control almost everything……
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September 6, 2021 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Modern horse’s arses also control a lot, but they do not know what they are doing
  
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  September 6, 2021 1:50pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Touchet!
    
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    September 6, 2021 1:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, most missed that Nick2
      
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      September 6, 2021 3:26pm
  - Peter S
    
    Just wondering, how wide is the podium of truth?
    
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    September 6, 2021 6:05pm
    - Nickc2
      
      At least two horse’s arses.
      
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      September 6, 2021 6:27pm
- Papalazarou
  
  Brilliant!!
  
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  September 7, 2021 10:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fill your boots lefties. Judge Jeanine: Joe Biden has given a terrorist organization their own nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6eE2gLFGn8
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September 6, 2021 1:47pm
rouppe

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mall-terrorist-attack-discussions-underway-with-family-about-burial-of-offender/QN3FD2WUWBA7F3MV2MRPV3ESLA/

I see “discussions are ongoing” about the terrorists burial, taking into account his Muslim religious requirements.

Well I thought that he wasn’t representative of Islam. So burn the bugger and throw his remains into an offal pit. That shows the same respect her showed us
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September 6, 2021 1:47pm
- mandk
  
  They should bury him with a pig to make sure he won’t get his 72 virgins.
  
  On second thoughts, that would be cruel to the pig.
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Virgin male pigs
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:28pm
CAKE FACE1

Prediction – L2 outside Auckland from Thursday.

Why not immediately effective?

Power and control.
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September 6, 2021 2:10pm
- westernScientest
  
  na L3 for another few days, then another announcement. Any L2, will be in name only, look at the pushing of L2 plus by the ‘experts’. It will take them time to work out how to spin it
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:26pm
kowtow

stuff have comments on William’s departure.

Running very heavily against him and saying he was a dangerous ant vaxxer , spreader of misinformation.

Clearly part of the operation against the free media .
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September 6, 2021 2:17pm
Ian Hawthorn

The headline states “David Seymour faces backlash over post suggesting use of Maori code to get covid19 vaccine”.

Not false – some people didn’t like it. But others thought he made a good point. The headline “David Seymour praised for post suggesting use of Maori code to get covid19 vaccine” would be equally true, so why not use that. Better yet what about the headline “David Seymour post suggests people use Maori code to get covid19 vaccine” which would leave it up to the reader to decide if he deserved backlash or praise.

But no, we can’t have people making up their own minds about things can we. They might reach the wrong conclusion!

reference = https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/act-leader-david-seymour-faces-backlash-over-post-suggesting-use-of-m-ori-code-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-without-booking.html
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September 6, 2021 2:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And only 7% Maori in the current outbreak
  73% PI
  
  https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics#aug-2021
  
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  September 6, 2021 4:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wow… Act and Greens join forces against Labour Government’s collection of data on citizens’ movements.

“I don’t think it’s outside of the realm of possibility that this data will be misused by the government and by private entities

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/hipkins-backtracks-on-protecting-contact-tracing-data
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September 6, 2021 2:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “But when questioned about the letter on Thursday, Hipkins said his word should be good enough.”
  
  Yeah, right. If the devil bred with a used car saleswoman, the progeny would be more trustworthy than any of Ardern’s mob.
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Savage, and deserved
    
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    September 6, 2021 2:49pm
- Nickc2
  
  Interesting. Any reason why Food-Banks and Petrol Stations are exempt from contact tracing compliance?
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:58pm
  - peterwn
    
    Are they? The local Z station has QR code signs.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:11pm
    - Nickc2
      
      See link and explanation.
      https://theconversation.com/nz-is-introducing-mandatory-record-keeping-to-help-contact-tracers-but-is-the-data-protected-enough-167177
      The onus to scan in won’t be on customers but on business owners. Supermarkets, dairies, hardware stores, food banks and petrol stations are exempt, but the new rules allow people to keep a record in their own diary, so they don’t have to use QR codes or any pen-and-paper option provided by a business.
      
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      September 6, 2021 6:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    Tell ya what , I wonder what records the Northland maori roadblocks are keeping .
    
    If not why not and it they are , why how and where’s kept.
    
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    September 6, 2021 3:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I expect folks might discover I lead a very boring little life…

https://sciblogs.co.nz/covid-19/2021/09/06/nz-is-introducing-mandatory-record-keeping-to-help-contact-tracers-but-is-the-data-protected-enough/
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September 6, 2021 2:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not doing it. I do not have the QR app. When asked to sign in I write ‘Donald Duck, Hollywood’ Where the phone number goes I write ‘Ducks don’t have phones.
  Thing is, I have seen people taking photos of sign in books – usually low life real estate agents. The even have the gall to turn the pages back for more photos
  
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  September 6, 2021 2:55pm
  - [email protected]
    
    That’s fine for you to accept that you will not get notified if the place you visited ends up being a Covid19 infected place of interest. But what if you were the person that brought the virus to this place? Will you be able to remember all the places you visited and the time you spent at each of those places so others who dutifully signed in can get notified that they need to get tested?
    
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    September 6, 2021 7:40pm
- graham
  
  Same here Maggy. My wife and I joke that if ever anybody in officialdom decides to track our social media accounts, our emails, our browsing history, we feel really sorry for them – they’ll likely be reprimanded for falling asleep on the job.
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:28pm
- lifesgood
  
  Aww, Maggy, you’re never boring to us.
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Me too. When they come to write the history of this period, people like us will simply vanish from the official record.
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:24pm
dcrane

A rare and limited win for truth, at the BBC no less:

“BBC admits Syria gas attack report had serious flaws in ‘victory for truth’ after complaint by Peter Hitchens”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9958679/BBC-admits-Syria-gas-attack-report-flaws-complaint-Peter-Hitchens.html
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September 6, 2021 2:29pm
Wired-one

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-acts-david-seymour-under-fire-over-maori-vaccination-comments/OJVPU6X2YCITK37L26YQ3WEKII/

Either we are all in this together or we aren’t. Which is it? I completely agree with David and I’m Maori.
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September 6, 2021 2:58pm
- Ehlana
  
  I don’t understand the constant claims we are hearing that Maori have been left out and discriminated against.
  Group 1 covered port, airport & MIQ workers and their households. I’d think there would be a fair few Maori in those groups.
  Group 2 specifically included older Maori being cared for by whanau and those who live with them or care for them. Those living or working in long-term residential care are also in this group, along with anyone in the Counties Manukau DHB with an underlying health condition, disability or pregnancy and people in custody.
  I wonder how many Maori in Counties Manukau area weren’t covered under one of those criteria?
  
  So what is the problem exactly?
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:19pm
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    The problem is that Seymour has chosen to undermine a targeted health initiative by recommending to his followers that they should lie when presenting for a vaccination.
    This is despicable behaviour from a member of parliament and for that he should be held accountable before the privileges committee or resign.
    Through his own actions Seymour has demonstrated contempt for health providers working hard to provide vaccination facilities for all New Zealanders, particularly those groups that may harbour vaccination hesistancy.
    
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    September 6, 2021 7:30pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      You have pitched four balls and not the batter, but the pitcher, should take a walk.
      
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      September 6, 2021 8:46pm
Prince

The level of NZ Journalism today.
Tova O’Brien tweets
‘a five word opinion piece: David Seymour is a cockwomble’.
Anyone think she may be counselled by someone at Newshub about professionalism ? No, thought not.
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September 6, 2021 3:09pm
- Wired-one
  
  That’s in regards to my link above for those wondering. Tova is a partisan hack. It’s disgraceful language from a senior journalist and just goes to show why this incompetent government is getting such a free ride. We all deserve better.
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:13pm
  - doggone7
    
    We get what we deserve People tell it like it is. In the media. Like this media.
    
    Got me checking anyway: Cockwomble, A foolish or obnoxious person.
    
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    September 6, 2021 5:10pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Offensive to Great Uncle Bulgaria?
      
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      September 6, 2021 7:26pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      It clearly has origins as an anti-gay slur – wombles collect rubbish on english commons. a cock womble implying one who collects cocks on commons – ie dogging/cottaging (english slang for casual sex with partners in public places). Of course everyone is trying to pretend it is kosher nowadays, but it is an obvious gotcha for some offience archeologists to mine someday.
      
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      September 6, 2021 9:26pm
- kowtow
  
  Turn the tables and a bloke reporter would be fired for that lack of professionalism .
  
  But this is alas and alack a very good illustration of the level that so called journalism has come to here.
  
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  September 6, 2021 3:38pm
- fernglas
  
  I have to say I had trouble working out what the email code was supposed to accomplish. It didn’t seem to give any priority for Maori; it was more akin to some ruse to get Maori out to a drive-in vaccination clinic that they might not otherwise have attended. Can Tova please explain?
  
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  September 6, 2021 6:55pm
- Fletch
  
  Have you seen the Newshub Facebook feeds? I don’t know who is in charge over there, but the stories are rabidly left. Painfully so. Partisan hacks…
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:03pm
westernScientest

Kind of have to wonder what is in the communications that they wouldnt release them:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126247858/ardern-refuses-to-release-information-about-groundswell-nz

The tone is a little snarky for a stuff reporter talking about the government
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September 6, 2021 3:49pm
Yvette

Diminishing testing
In the past three days (including today) the number of new covid cases have each day been 20, all in Auckland.
But in the past three days, those tests in Auckland assumed to relate to these three consistent results have been Saturday 5,322, Sunday 2,592, and today 2,088.
So Sunday was 48.7% of Saturday’s related tests, and today’s 80.5% of yesterday or 39.2% of Saturday’s total.

So to a statistics simpleton (c’est moi) does finding the same number of cases for a lesser and lesser number of tests not mean the infection rate, although seeming the same, is in fact rising?

Or, are only sicker feeling people bothering to get tested, or– besides Aucklanders seeming less willing, or considering a lesser need for testing – is something else happening?
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September 6, 2021 3:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  For a stats simpleton, you’re on to it.
  
  All valid, unanswered questions.
  
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  September 6, 2021 4:46pm
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… Your posts are always ‘auto uptick’ from me. Thank you.
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:09pm
- Bob
  
  Yvette…Perhaps the answer is simply that we re moving out of the historical annual period of sniffles, coughs and colds. It is now September, but don’t tell Hendy or Baker; you will upset them.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  everyone who has been nursing minor sniffles or had near misses with places that infected have been rushed out to get tested, but now they have been sitting in isolation for several weeks, with colds etc clearing up, and not seeing any point in being tested again.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:28pm
WaveyDavey

I wonder if we’ll see a “was Seymour right?” type poll on Newshub

Probably not as they’d be too scared of the answer they’d get
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September 6, 2021 4:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

4:16pm to get to the guts of the matter..

Why did she have to repeat the points Bloomfield had made?

Now we have the new rules…..Level2+

Oh…now we learn Delta travels differently (thro’ the air) from the previous versions of the virus!
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September 6, 2021 4:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  I would say all variants travel in exactly the same way. They are practically identical from a physical point of view.
  
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  September 6, 2021 4:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course they do…
    It’s a respiratory virus…and all the droplet/rubbish=bin lid/frozen meat/ 1m distancing nonsense from last year was some silly political crap related to whether the Western World should mask up.
    
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    September 6, 2021 4:49pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think the virus takes the bus.
    
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    September 6, 2021 7:28pm
- Stu2
  
  Health site still seems to have the old level 2 details
  Should be live by now
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe different air – air affected by climate change.
  My sleep is affected effected by climate change, I get woken up for a dawnbreaker at some weird hour.
  Fuck it, I am going to the backyard caravan for some rest
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:28pm
- Bob
  
  Delta travels differently (thro’ the air) f…..
  this is quite logical assumption really. All the different manufacturers aircraft travel through the air by different laws of aerodynamics.
  Silly you, you thought that the science of aerodynamics was settled!… didn’t you.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:05pm
Wired-one

So we need to wear a mask at all times at level 2, why? What is the justification for this considering the South Island has not had a positive case of Covid-19 in the community for over a year and all testing, including waste water testing has come back negative?. No covid for months and months and still masks and restrictions… ridiculous!
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September 6, 2021 4:21pm
- kowtow
  
  No virus in the sewerage , no virus in SI .
  
  The reason is to push the theme that delta is different , so the farcical theatre of the macabre props must be entrenched.
  
  You will obey. You will conform.
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Your daily propaganda at 4pm. Scripted questions and answers. Now I just heard a media person ask a question (missed the question) but the answer from Jaspinda was ‘I will come back to you shortly because we do not have that question on our list’
May not be exactly what she said, but Jaspinda threw it in the air and went to another scripted question. I am sure all of the media have a pingpong bat with a number on it to have their turn.
Tell me I am wrong ….
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September 6, 2021 4:43pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  Why do you watch it ?
  
  If people stopped tuning into this nonsense they’ll stop doing it.
  
  While they have a captive audience sitting in front of their TVs/computers of course they’re going to use it for political purposes ..they’re politicians.
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Doctor, we do it for political things too – so do YOU DOCTOR
    
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    September 6, 2021 5:22pm
  - lifesgood
    
    My son and daughter in law, who both vote right, watch it religiously. I have told them they are mad but they have really drunk the coolaid on all this nonsense and are terrified out of their wits all the while saying how much they can’t stand Jacinda. Weird.
    
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    September 6, 2021 5:50pm
    - Northshoredoc
      
      Unfortunately there’s a whole generations of NZers that have been infantilised.
      
      it will be interesting to see how the government will break the news that we’ll be likely see numerous COVID deaths next year without all the poor dears having a nervous breakdown.
      
      The subject was broached in this thoughtful article from the SMH.
      
      https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-need-to-talk-about-death-so-we-can-live-with-covid-19-20210830-p58n4b.html
      
      ‘In our society we do not talk about every death as a tragedy. Our politicians do not talk about the 25-year-old who died from a ruptured aneurysm two weeks ago under my care. I am not suggesting they should, but equally we must stop talking about every death from COVID-19. I call on our political and health leaders to start talking rationally about how we can survive with COVID-19 rather than trying to eliminate a disease which cannot be eliminated.’
      
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      September 6, 2021 6:43pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        In New Zealand we are, “surviving with Covid-19”. All of us, not just the wealthy.
        
        I’m not quite sure why you want to bring death to these shores and let it loose.
        
        Covid-19 deaths/million
        
        USA – 1999
        UK – 1950
        
        NZ – 5
        
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        September 6, 2021 7:19pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Quite. The recent Covid-19 attributed death of a woman in her 90s, having comorbidities that prevented ventilation was a reminder of how politicised these deaths have become.
        
        Of the ~92 people who die in NZ each day, 20 of these are women who are 85+ years of age. There’s no press conference to mourfully declare their passing. It’s all show, and manipulation.
        
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        September 6, 2021 7:32pm
      - Bob
        
        a nervous breakdown….
        Wait until next year, when someone lets the cat out of the bag, that the country is bankrupt and that there will be no further WFF’s, salary and wage top-ups from government, and benefits will be halved.
        MP’s in government will take a 100% salary cut, in acknowledgment of their part in administering the countries economics to this situation. AFter all they are open and honest.
        
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        September 6, 2021 8:01pm
      - Northshoredoc
        
        You really are a bit dense Martin.
        
        There is no choice but to ease restrictions next year the obvious consequence is some deaths from COVID 19 despite widespread vaccination.
        
        The only alternative to this is to keep the country closed.
        
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        September 6, 2021 8:51pm
- Spam
  
  So if that is true, then why it makes even more of a mockery of her stance on daily press conferences vs parliament. If she is only answering scripted questions, why can’t she do the entire thing via zoom? Hell, why do you even need that, why doesn’t she just get questions emailed to her, and email the answers. What does the theatrics at the theatrette achieve?
  
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  September 6, 2021 5:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Questions emailed to Jaspinda will be deleted.
    Btw do you know Hillary Quinton?
    
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    September 6, 2021 5:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Why don’t we get a talking horse to answer the questions? It’s not like any intelligence is on show.
    
    Vote for Mr Ed!
    
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    September 6, 2021 7:30pm
  - Bob
    
    What does the theatrics….
    Propaganda/Labour Party electioneering at the Taxpayer’s expense. This approach is much cheaper. as Labour Partee does not have the deep pockets of the National Party.
    BUT… being the most honest, open and transparent government, all this electioneering expense will have been declared by Labour as a ‘donation in kind’ in their annual Donations Return to the Electoral Commission.
    
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    September 6, 2021 7:57pm
- Peter Lane
  
  I totally refuse to watch it. It’s propaganda at its worst.
  
  But the sheep seem to love it.
  
  Fustraded as hell tonight. We live 5km from the northern border of Auckland and are stuck in prison with no cases in this area.
  
  Fuckwits.
  
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  September 6, 2021 6:14pm
MrTips

Monumentally convincing and excoriating thread on Twitter from Drew Holden evidencing the lies, bed wetting and sheer deceit on the part of media around the world on the hospital ivermectin/gun shot story in Rolling Stone.
https://twitter.com/drewholden360/status/1434591443855753220?s=21

Concerns over ivermectin’s efficacy is one thing, but having to invent lies like this does not help your stance one bit.
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September 6, 2021 5:18pm
ecco

Ardern obviously realising she’s going down the gurgler in their internal polling, so had better do something quick smart to arrest the slide. Everyone but Auckland down to level 2. Doesn’t realise, due to her lack of economic prowess, that taking out auckland = you are taking out the whole of nz.

Time to lockdown the suburbs in Auckland exhibiting COVID in their waste water testing and open up the other suburbs that are free of COVID. This sledgehammer approach to the Auckland lockdown is not going to end well for NZ.

Only good outcome could be that some of the Auckland electorates swing right at the next election.
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September 6, 2021 5:36pm
- Bob
  
  The only ‘good outcome’ for NZ will be if most of the Electorates in NZ swing towards National; and admit that they, the electors, were scammed by Adern and the NZ media.
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:45pm
- Stu2
  
  NSW tried to be clever like that – different lockdowns over different parts of the city to start with. Didn’t turn out well
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:26pm
Peter Lane

I think if I owned a bar or restaurant I’d be saying ‘Fuck it, this just isn’t worth it anymore’
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September 6, 2021 6:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  In the UK Almost 50 shops a day disappear from High Streets. Most of these will be ordinary people, losing their shirts as best, their life savings and retirement planning as worst.
  
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  September 6, 2021 6:23pm
  - kevn
    
    @kk… Along with the major anxiety/health issues created as a result. Crushing for them.
    
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    September 6, 2021 6:31pm
Maggie Pie

Just waiting for the Peking Duck to come out of the oven. Even whipped up a batch of homemade pancakes for the first time.
Although they look a bit thick TBH 🙁

Just heard HDPA saying that in 2016, Winston P. was adamant the nasty Sri Lankan prick should be put on the next plane out of the country….but was OVER-RULED by Angry!

Egg on face – or blood on hands?

Hmmm…..
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September 6, 2021 6:19pm
- Muttonbird
  
  How do Peters and Little get to make these decisions in 2016?
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Spelling mistake silly! It should have been a ‘7’.
    
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    September 6, 2021 8:44pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, looks as though Winnie is angling for another go as an MP. He is probably keeping his powder dry to use in election year. And that matter of the ‘coalition agreement’, a signed copy of which will be smouldering in the cupboard. What a pity that Little can’t be sued by the stabbing victims.
  
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  September 6, 2021 7:23pm
CAKE FACE1

“It (Hayek’s book) is an extraordinary example of how, starting with a mistake, a remorseless logician can end up in bedlam.” (Keynes)

I thought this quote was relevant to the government Covid response.

The government started from the fundamental error that instead of risk managing those at risk over 70, they would simply lock down everyone.

Then came the remorseless logicians. We now have bedlam. Changing course would lose too much face.

There is a lot of blame to share around. For example, Mr Farrar, who owns this site, thinks that the strategy is good!

God help us.
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September 6, 2021 6:44pm
paulscott

Paul Scott NZ Citizen : Exiled in Bangkok. I will be applying for political refugee status in Thailand as soon as I can. My first attempt will be through the NZ Embassy Bangkok. I will give reasons here tomorrow, and those reasons will be only those which can be backed by documented evidence. I will set up a site for this documentation, if possible. I invite all Kiwiblog readers to consider the reality of what KrazyKiwi has stated above, at the first reply. We have lost our fundamental rights as citizens .
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September 6, 2021 7:07pm
blue collar

THERE IS A WAY OUT OF THIS
Talking to my mate in the uk , I said good on Boris for having the balls to open up .
He said …. it wasn’t Boris
He says the people of the uk gave up on following the rules , started doing what they want , in droves , ignored the govt , n Boris realised he had lost the people … and Boris had a choice ….. give the people what they want and stay in power ( timed it for the Euro footy finals which England were in , big political capital there ) or …. ignore them and carry on and get voted out next election .
That’s the answer .
He said you won’t read this in the msm , like us they control the narrative . But he was there and saw it happen and it’s the truth.

REMEMBER . Power is given . We can’t be forced to do anything . It starts with one , then a few , then some blog sites , then larger networks …. it is up to us to give the fingers to the govt next lockdown and carry on . They can’t arrest us all , if enough people do this we will be free of this tyranny .
Cindy Will do anything to stay in power as she has proved , even a Boris
And that’s the crux for us . The momentum is building , kiwis are quite reserved by nature , if we see enough people doing it we will join in . Personally the only thing stopping me surfing and whitebaiting last lockdown ( I’m in the naki ) was my harridan of a wife . I’m not scared of the cops , or fellow citizens with different views.
To be fair , the uk was in lockdown a lot longer than us , we are heading there tho , this isn’t going away n good luck Auckland . Give this lockdown 6 months and things will turn
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September 6, 2021 8:28pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Tongaporutu or Mokau whitebait are nowhere near as good as Taramakau.
  
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  September 6, 2021 8:51pm
  - paulscott
    
    Tuahei, I wish I could say I could tell the difference myself.
    
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    September 7, 2021 4:36am
- Stu2
  
  Surfing or whitebating in the Naki won’t do any harm (unless you need a clump of people to rescue you)
  
  But how about a large illegal maskless church gathering in south auckland?
  
  The ambition of the current effort should be to protect the health system while our vaccination levels are fixed. 500 more hospitalised covid cases and 50 more ICU patients in Auckland off the back of something that stupid would be universally damned.
  
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  September 6, 2021 9:34pm
- paulscott
  
  blue collar[8.28] Let me assure you, once you reach the front line and look around you will get one hell of a fright. It will change your mind about New Zealanders forever.
  
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  September 7, 2021 4:38am
Russ the Muss

Well, if you contrast Aucklands data to Melbourne, it’s very similar in trend, especially when sized for the different populations, I think we are done with zero. The assumption that somehow we are better than the Aussies dosnt wash. We need an Incredible amount of luck, again to get to zero. The middlemore case is horrific, I expect that to be a new cluster. How ma y people and his 9 home members have mixed with others, Inlcluding staff Consuming ventilation in the non Infections zone. This has the potential to blow up big time:(
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September 6, 2021 9:58pm
blue collar

Hah ! Maybe not tauhei but like the residents …. they are more handsome
I don’t mean to depress Aucklanders but here is some reality
Right now there are heaps of people driving around visiting drug dealers picking up weed n crack etc .
Right now there are a lot of pent up citizens visiting women and men for sex
Right now a lot of people with a sniffle won’t test for fear of being locked up in MIQ. Would you rather be home or there ?
Right now there are many folk who just won’t test for many reasons
Right now there are thousands of aucklanders living on septic tanks in rural areas . Wastewater testing town mains , obviously, can’t pick these up
It hasn’t gone anywhere and never will . It will get worse .
Right now dozens of people are sharing the same air in a supermarket , masks don’t stop air escaping .
I believe it is outside Auckland undetected
When I’m working in a sewer manhole I wear a double filtered mask with organic filters not the cheap crap we all hv for covid . Even then gas will get me n thus a gas detector is required .
If you can smell a fart it’s useless . Only stops droplets . Not virus filled air .
Get ready for the long haul psychologically, seriously , look after yours and others mental health up there .
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September 6, 2021 10:13pm
paulscott

Paul Scott BVSc [email protected] [ address here] / Paul Scott NZ Citizen. Passport Number […] birthdate [… ]
Date 06 September
I, Paul Scott have been an exile in Bangkok, disallowed return to New Zealand since October 2020. The New Zealand Quarantine system is subject to a corrupted political State which picks and chooses who may enter New Zealand
on discriminatory and ideological grounds .
I wish to apply for political refuge in Thailand from the New Zealand Socialist State.
I request help in the first instance to the NZ Embassy on how to accomplish this.
Please guide me to the correct forms and method for application
The grounds for refuge are
1. Refusal of the NZ State to allow my return for absolutely necessary medical treatment.
2. Refusal of the NZ State to allow my return for legal reasons of overstay, and inability to fulfill Thai Immigration regulations
3. The New Zealand State is now a Socialist and Fascist State dangerous and active against all who oppose it.
4. I have never threatened the NZ State or any person within that corrupt State with activity that is illegal or violent.
5. I am aware there are no New Zealanders at our Bangkok Embassy
Please therefor guide me on the steps I should take to achieve refugee status, recognising that my physical health is impaired.
I am always good to Thailand , and have spent much time here since 2011 to the benefit of all who are associated with me .
I have an abundance of evidence for my application, and for my allegations against the State of New Zealand
That evidence will take time to prepare
I am in no position to pay fines a fees associated with anything the New Zealand Embassy will or will not do on my behalf.
Failing help from my own country I now have to seek assistance here in Thailand or elsewhere .

Sincerely Paul Scott

 This is no stunt, I backed my application up with laboratory details, and matter of fact overstay Visa records
 Replies are pro forma > do you really think we care type notices <, unsigned
 Most people get the idea that out applications are not even read
 Moderator I would like to post this again tomorrow 07 Sept
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