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Happy United Nations Day!
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October 24, 2021 8:00am
- Tomtoddy
  
  There is nothing happy about the United Nations. A scourge on the planet.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Indeed. A club where despots and dictators have their abuses of human rights validated. Not a wonder Ardern aspires to be involved.
    
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    October 24, 2021 8:26am
    - sooty
      
      It spat out Helen Clark. So how is cindy going to last? Helen had H2 covering her arse as well. Cindy has only jethro!
      
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      October 24, 2021 12:37pm
      - Fishing in the dark
        
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        October 24, 2021 1:30pm
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Like any supranational political vehicle, the United Nations exists only to subsume sovereign nations.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:16am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yes but it aspires to subsume working, successful sovereign nations.
    
    If their agenda is so fantastic, why don’t they demonstrate how good it is on some busted-arse nations that NEED rescuing? Why do they have to target the USA and the Anglo first world in particular, for their plans of dominance?
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:57am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      Because working sovereign nations do not require the imposition of an overarching body. They are independent and self-sufficient. That’s why our societies are being subjected to a controlled demolition – economically, socially and demographically – so that we will ask for centralised control from the other side of the planet. The Covid and climate change projects require the setting aside of national differences, distinctions and autonomous responses, because, hey, we are all in this together, right?
      
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      October 24, 2021 10:52am
      - PhilBest
        
        I think we’re in complete agreement!
        
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        October 24, 2021 5:46pm
- dcrane
  
  My tolerance for the United Nations and its influence on the world has come to an end with the pandemic.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    My tollerance for the UN never started! It fell further into disrepute IMO when they annointed Kurt Waldheim as it’s Secretary General when it was known that he was a former Nazi Intelligence Officer as an Oberleutnant in the German Army.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Waldheim#Military_service_in_World_War_II
    My hatred of the UN was further enhanced when they gave that little Terrorist Prick Yassa Arafat a seat in their organisation.
    Helen Clark was another despot they welcomed into their ranks and they will probably also admit our Dictator Princess into their corrupt organisation whenever she runs out of access to her trough here.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:08pm
    - david
      
      The Siege of Jadotville is a movie on Netflix that throws a not-so-favourable light on the UN in its formative years and on its much acclaimed Secretary-General Dag Hammarskjöld.
      A military engagement that rivals Rorke’s Drift.
      A recommended watch.
      
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      October 24, 2021 4:17pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Good Book has it right: “the road to hell is paved with good intentions “.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:28am
  - Paulus
    
    “good intentions and lost opportunities “
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:47am
  - PhilBest
    
    I am thinking through a kind of hypothesis based on that; “institutions based on good intentions are a well paved highway for evil interests to hijack in the service of their own agenda”.
    
    I think it was Robert Conquest who states that every bureaucracy ultimately ends up controlled by a cabal of enemies of the public interest the bureaucracy was allegedly established to serve.
    
    So we get a “World Health” organization that is an implacable enemy of actual health in the world – by way of a recent and prominent example.
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      World Health Organisation… part of the UN.
      
      a big bunch of rapists…
      
      https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2021/10/22/World-Health-Organization-Ebola-sex-abuse-scandal
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:26am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nothing else you would have to say about WHO, Maggy?
        
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        October 24, 2021 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It seems to be in a bit of a muddle about who it serves…
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/apr/10/world-health-organization-who-v-coronavirus-why-it-cant-handle-pandemic
        
        or hadn’t you noticed?
        
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        October 24, 2021 12:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I must admit, Maggy, I don’t read the Guardian as much as Kiwibloggers should. I liked this piece about WHO:
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/11/best-bit-un-world-health-organisation-who
        What do you think?
        
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        October 24, 2021 2:10pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    NeverMindTheBollocks; “‘The Good Book has it right: “the road to hell is paved with good intentions “”
    
    A good saying but I don’t think that’s from the bible. Correct me if I’m wrong.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:38pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Various Hebrew and Greek words used in the testaments do not translate into the concept of ‘hell’ as a place of eternal suffering after death.
      
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      October 24, 2021 2:14pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Depends on how the bible is read. The earliest Jewish concept of the afterlife appears to be “Sheol”, a shadowy silent pit where the dead souls lingered in a listless existence. Later as belief in resurrection gained ground, it seems to have become established that Sheol was a waiting place and included the belief that when resurrected, the righteous would dwell with God and the wicked would be consigned to Gehenna, a cursed place of fire and smoke.
        
        Sort of contemporaneous Greek belief had Hades as a place rather similar to Sheol, with evildoers consigned to a deeper and darker place, Tartarus. No fire and smoke and no resurrection.
        
        The New Testament seems to reflect this belief in a fiery place, in Mark 9:43 “And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched” KJV version. Other versions actually mention the word “Gehenna”.
        
        Just FWIW.
        
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        October 24, 2021 7:35pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      NZer.
      I’m not sure who composed that one, but the 4th.century St. John Chrysostom, who saw corruption amongst the clergy & in the Church even in those early days, said, “The pathway to Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops” . He was a bishop himself – the patriarch of Constantinople.
      He was speaking – amongst other things – of the bishops who had gone along with the heresy of Arianism, that denied the divinity of Jesus Christ as Son of God.
      Your quotation may be a derivative of that.
      
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      October 24, 2021 4:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  They’re a most unhappy mob now in cahoots with the world richest to buyout your future. Ardern is tailing along too.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:47am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I am interested in seeing the evidence that you consider supports this remarkable claim.
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:29am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have a look at Klaus Schwab, the WEF and their relationship with the UN.
      Bill Gates even has personal seat on the WHO.
      Ardern is linked in as Alumni of the WEF School for Leaders and gets briefed accordingly.
      
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      October 24, 2021 12:43pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Try this.
      https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/jacinda-ardern/
      
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      October 24, 2021 12:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Nothing there, or in Kev’s reply above, translates to ‘a mob now in cahoots with the world (sic) richest to buyout (sic) your future’.
        
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        October 24, 2021 2:17pm
    - mawm
      
      Read up on Blackrock (the largest investment firm) and their buying up US housing or Bill Gates and US farms.
      
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      October 24, 2021 2:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You sound like a typical whining socialist, envious of others’ success.
        
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        October 24, 2021 3:35pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yes celebrate their success in protecting innocents in places like Serbia, Yemen and Rwanda. Not to mention putting human rights notaries like China and Saudi Arabia on their human rights council. Wonderful organisation.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    It seems to me that you are pointing to UN failures, rather than to the many successes.
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:58am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      What are the UN’s many successes?
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:33am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I am very surprised you need to ask that, But:
        https://googlethatforyou.com?q=united%20nations%20greatest%20achievements
        
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        October 24, 2021 12:15pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Mikey, I think he simply omitted the /s tag…
      
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      October 24, 2021 8:16pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Way past it’s use by date and rotten to the core.
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:41pm
PhilBest

My curiosity has been piqued by this story of a “severe Covid illness”:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-young-auckland-mums-vaccination-plea-after-life-threatening-battle/QSES33ZNNGVLCAY4RDE6NMK2YQ/

Kiwibloggers may be aware that I have been drawing attention for a long time, to the evidence that severe Covid illnesses relate to exposure to the virus in indoors air; concentration of the virus was high and / or duration spent in that indoors environment was long.

I am becoming more and more infuriated with “expert” officials, not to mention “investigative journalists” who simply do not ask the right questions about cases of severe or deadly Covid. Someone needs to establish in the case of that unfortunate lady, where she picked up that severe infection.

If there is no prima facie evidence that she could ever have been exposed to a severe Covid infection, then there is another piece of information in the article that I will leave it to astute Kiwibloggers to spot, that is highly material.
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October 24, 2021 8:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As fernglass pointed out yesterday she got her first vaccination whilst she was showing obvious covid symptoms
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/general_debate_23_october_2021.html#comment-3048628
  
  Everything I have read (and on our Min of Health site) advises that vaccination should be delayed by 4 weeks if a person is covid positive/symptomatic.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:19am
  - PhilBest
    
    Thanks Maggy and thanks Fernglas – I missed that down the GD thread yesterday.
    
    It seems like good advice (which is too rare anyway) isn’t getting through to the front line doctors etc who are on a crusade to get jabs into arms.
    
    How on earth trained medical doctors rationalize all this is beyond me:
    
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/10/physicians_and_the_vaccine_tyranny_.html
    
    “…Doctors need to be called out. From early in the pandemic, it was like a mass hypnosis or forgetfulness of everything we had learned in medical school. Immune system knowledge was shelved and replaced by government dictates…”
    
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    October 24, 2021 8:25am
  - bronny1
    
    I read it and wondered how this “fit and healthy “ 38 year old had managed to have one child with CF and diabetes and one that died of asthma. Doesn’t sound like good genes or maybe they come from the father?
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:58pm
    - Low Expectations
      
      A bit harsh but I think you might be onto something, carriers of the cystic fibrosis gene (both parents have to be carriers) may have a higher risk for complications of covid.
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33009727/#:~:text=Probably%2C%20there%20is%20a%20correlation,as%20in%20cystic%20fibrosis%20patients.
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:12pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I had a nasty bout of shingles in January. I am unable to have my shingles vaccine now until January 2023.
    
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    October 24, 2021 3:30pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    I think it is established that in the aftermath of the vaccination, one’s immune system is less active. So having a jab while infected could certainly have meant that this person reduced their immune response when it was most needed.
    
    Also, recovered persons don’t need to be vaccinated, though there is some evidence that being both recovered and with at least one jab, one has the highest level of immunity. Not sure if that study has been replicated though.
    
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    October 24, 2021 8:20pm
- Opie
  
  Finally today an article discussing air quality monitoring in schools.
  
  Apparently the ministry of education approached Niwa 2 weeks ago about co2 monitoring in classrooms and establishing levels which show a build up of stale air. They didnt mention it but of course this means build up of virus aerosols should they be present.
  
  A good idea, I want to congratulate them for finally starting to show so semblance of understanding and a way of reducing aerosol build up is 101 for fighting this, but they should have been doing this 18 months ago!
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:19am
  - cmm
    
    There has been an obsession with replacing good, clean air with overheated heated air.
    
    No more open windows – much more heat pumps.
    
    I expect that a large part of the problem is due to people getting softer and softer and everyone thinking we should be wearing T shirts all the time regardless of the seasons.
    
    I suspect that some of this is due to the increasing browning of schools. Polynesians seem to really dislike the cold. Whenever I’ve visited a polynesian household the heatpump seems to be going all the time and keeping the house at 25C – even in summer!
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:24am
    - Jack5
      
      How are the Colombian refugees settled in Southland coping with the weather. The Equator passes through Colombia.
      
      Have they already moved north, or can they hold out in Southland until they get residence and can move to Queensland or the Northern Territory?
      
      On CMM’s point, are Pacific Island immigrants advised on adapting to everyday life in the winter of a country with cool temperate climate, or would that be considered condescending, colonialist, and racist?
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:22am
- dcrane
  
  “She began feeling achy on August 21, four days after the country went into level 4 lockdown, but a Covid test the next day was negative.
  
  Two days later Waalkens, after checking it was okay with vaccination centre staff, received her first Pfizer jab alongside her two sons.”
  
  Getting vaccinated while already infected with covid is a big No-No. It was a risk to go ahead even with the negative test.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:21am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Lots of unasked questions in that story
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:26am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Instead of using emotive propaganda by way of the odd anecdote, I wished they’d instead use the indisputable and objective scientific data to convince us of the need for vaccination. I guess they don’t have any.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:28am
- rouppe
  
  Once I saw she wasn’t vaccinated I stopped reading.
  
  I know a couple of people who have caught covid. Uncomfortable, sure, just like a bout of influenza is uncomfortable, but not the tragedy this story suggests
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:57am
  - PhilBest
    
    Actually the big failure in this story, is to admit that “if you feel unwell”, the vaccination centre staff SHOULD tell you NOT to get jabbed until you have got better again AND confirmed it is NOT Covid.
    
    This young mum certainly would have got only a mild or asymptomatic Covid illness and then not needed the jab at all; it was getting the mRNA jab on top of the real Covid jab that caused all this suffering.
    
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    October 24, 2021 5:54pm
- ross.mc
  
  It would be beneficial if somebody do a study on the 368 members of the church group that got infected and release some statistics. How did age, weight (BMI), smoking, fitness, comorbidities, etc effect the outcome of Kiwi’s who got infected.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:29am
  - bronny1
    
    They can’t give out info that might cause us to believe something other than the sole truth narrative!!!
    
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    October 24, 2021 2:00pm
- Anthony Coates
  
  Hi Phil. I happen to know the woman in question’s family, but not her personally. Her two younger brothers are friends of mine and her father is the eminent Harry Waalkens QC. As someone else pointed out below, there is clearly a genetic component in the family, with the tragic passing of her daughter from asthma.
  That all said, the Herald’s reporting of the story under their pink 90% banner is clearly propaganda designed to scare younger people. Even the headline “Young mum” is ridiculous… At 38, with five children, that is stretching the credibility of the paper.
  
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  October 24, 2021 2:51pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Hi Anthony, thanks for the comment; is there any chance of checking whether the circumstances of infection MIGHT have been a hitherto unconsidered period of time in an indoors environment where Covid aerosols were built up in the air? The official experts aren’t asking these questions (or if they are, I’d be glad to be corrected). They are assuming “touching the wrong handrail” or something.
    
    That is interesting about possible genetic vulnerability but I would say that if this illness was not the result of an obvious high dose of virus aerosols, then it is overwhelmingly likely that what is to blame is the mRNA jab itself.
    
    The vaccination centre staff are supposed to tell anyone who is feeling unwell, to NOT get the jab until they are feeling well again AND have confirmed that the unwell feeling was NOT Covid – even if there has been a negative test meanwhile. And the Herald is ill serving the public by not including this in the story. It is all very well to promote a rush to vaccination, but that is in fact what was responsible for this brush with death.
    
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    October 24, 2021 6:00pm
Paulus Gnome

Anyone else up to the back teeth with hearing about maori and pacifica and their needs?

Are they the only group who are having difficulty with aspects of this covid and the way this government is handing the aspects of the endemic or have we broken into two teams here, the brown boys and others?

Whuk Ardern. New Zealands equivalent to ‘lets go Brandon’
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October 24, 2021 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you remember the Lower classes/ the Underclass?
  Brian Easton does…but it seems Our Government has forgotten them:
  
  We don’t have class data – its indicators are rarely collected – but from what we do know, the vaccination rates are low in the underclass
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2021/10/23/vaccinating-the-underclass/
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The lumpenproletariat!
    
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    October 24, 2021 8:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Brian Easton is a national treasure.
    
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    October 24, 2021 8:28am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      He’s as bit too commie for that. He’d be OK for Commissar of the Auckland Islands.
      
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      October 24, 2021 8:54am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In my experience, the underclass is self-oppressing.
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:35am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    As always its about education. On my scale of ethnicities education I place Asian at the top followed by Indians then us Whiteys then PIs and at the bottom Maori.
    Its the same for my “personal responsibility” scale. Some ethnicities have the DNA so dont.
    
    Sad but thats how it is. You cant change the breeding as my late dear old Mum used to say.
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:42am
    - Littletramp
      
      lastmanstanding, just a thought.
      Maori are funneling billions from the NZ taxpayers, are seizing National assets (3 waters, land, naming rights, etc) by stealth and taking veto power over all local bodies through compulsory maori wards, and you put them at the bottom of your educational food chain.
      Strike you as odd that you think you are winning and they are dumb?
      
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      October 24, 2021 9:54am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      I think it’s a bit more nuanced
      
      1. Asians of all generations
      2. Indians recently arrived
      3= 2nd generation Indians
      3= Recently arrived Europeans/white
      5. Recently arrived not of the above
      6. 2nd generation not of any of the above
      7. 2nd generation Europeans/white
      8. Recently arrived PI
      9. 2nd gen PI
      10. Maori
      
      Unfortunately NZ’s indigenous population of all ethnicites except Asian and Indian appears to revel in its anti-intellectualist character
      
      I guess when you’re well-off you don’t bother and when you come from multi-generational apathy you don’t see why you should bother
      
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      October 24, 2021 10:37am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Best way is to ignore race. Treat everyone as an individual.
      
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      October 24, 2021 1:36pm
- RiP NZ
  
  They are treated like children.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:32am
- Stu2
  
  I found the vaccination rates in Counties Manukau DHB staggering yesterday. It has been pandemic central for weeks and yet Maori are only at 69.4% and Pacifica 80.2%
  
  Despite massive efforts to encourage vaccination.
  
  I wouldn’t want to be employed at Middlemore Hospital, you can see what is coming.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:34am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    I assume that you mean “hospitals will be overrun”? What evidence is there from other areas (i.e. instances in the form of quantified data, that are not just claims or speculation appearing in a news article) that this overcapacity will be the case, and, if it is possible, then why would this occurrence not include vaccinated people as well, as has been amply demonstrated in Israel, as just one example of heavy hospitalisation of the vaxxed?
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:39am
    - Fight4NZ
      
      Numerous areas worldwide have or have been overwhelmed. In an area of high numbers per household like Counties Manukau it’s a reasonable assumption case numbers will be high. But those vaccination numbers aren’t too bad either way.
      Israel has of course demonstrated that hospitalisations are far more prevalent and serious in nature of the unvaccinated. These facts are presented with the same level of evidence your daily litany of fallacies are presented.
      
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      October 24, 2021 7:34pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Bit of a blunt interpretation Stu
    
    Maori 50 plus are going great guns as are PI 35 plus
    
    Ignore 2nd doses, 1st doses are where it’s at and there you’ll see PI are at 87% in CM across the board (90% & 93% Akl & Waitamata)
    
    Don’t do what the govt does and lump all brown people together – they are very different in the figures
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:45am
    - Stu2
      
      If you look at the the hospitalisations in the outbreak (they don’t show recent data) close to half are Maori, and many are young (the majority under 40).
      
      And those two factors coincide with lower vaccination levels.
      
      Cases are expected to double every 10-12 days, which suggests a lot more cases coming out of the lesser vaxxed in south auckland. And that suggests growing hospital loads.
      
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      October 24, 2021 4:47pm
      - Stu2
        
        “and many are young” – any ethnicity BTW
        
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        October 24, 2021 6:47pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        I’m not sure what your point is
        
        Yes Maori 12-49 are lagging, we both agree on that.
        
        But I’d suggest that it’s unsurprising that half the hospitalisations are of a demographic that largely socialises within itself
        
        Young Maori by and large socialise with other young Maori (as do other ethnic groups and age ranges) so I wouldn’t expect the outbreak to move quickly beyond that group
        
        Add in communality, exclusivity and resistance to societal norms with low vaccination rates and the results are what you’d expect
        
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        October 24, 2021 10:03pm
  - Ruawai
    
    CM DHB is also a small region so not far to the nearest vaccination centre compared to West Coast, Northland and Gisborne areas.
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:51am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    As an example Maori 65 in Auckland Metro (all 3 DHBs) sit at a rate of 1.00
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data
    
    That means that they are vaccinated at a higher rate than white people because the 1.00 means the same as White plus Asian vaccination rates
    
    In real money, Asian rates are effectively 100% while the white rate is 90%
    
    Not that we ever hear that of course
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Nothing strange. The Pacific communities are culturally much more harmonious and if their leaders tell them to get vaccinated they will.
    
    Maori are not one nation and much more fragmented. I expect if the order has gone in Waikato that their people are to be jabbed those attached to the Pa will have obeyed. Others will have largely ignored it.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:22pm
- Aunty
  
  I agree. It’s reaching the stage where it is becoming insulting to New Zealanders. What are these people? Children who need constant care because they can’t look after themselves?
  
  A case in point. Look at all the New Zealanders who stepped up and got their jabs over the last several months. They got nothing for doing that other than the satisfaction that they have now taken proven, safe and effective steps to protect themselves and those around them from the worst of Covid. But Maori and Pacifica, half of them didn’t show up! They had to be bribed with meat packs and $50 Warehouse gift vouchers, and spot prizes of $1000 to get theirs.
  
  So the reward for New Zealanders doing the right thing? Nothing. The reward for those who didn’t? Meat packs, cash and gift cards!
  
  What message is being sent here?
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    In Aranui, shoes are on offer.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:23pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “ to protect themselves and those around them from the worst of Covid”
    
    No, they can still transmit covid to others. The leaky vaccines might ameliorate their own symptoms, but they can still transmit the virus.
    
    Furthermore Dr Robert Malone and Dr Geert vanden Bossche consider that the overuse of leaky vaccines evolves variants.
    
    This is why vaccines should be a private medical decision and not a mandate. The jabs don’t guarantee antibody else’s safety from infection.
    
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    October 25, 2021 8:00am
- Clyde
  
  I am for one Paulus. There seems to be a constant stream of whinging and moaning about how badly these East Polynesians are being treated. The reality is that every member of this group is able to attend any health provider that anyone not in this group can, but they have multiple other providers as well. All on the Government teat and all “communicating” in this special, unable to be defined, way with this group. A group who statistically will not vaccinate. But its not confined to health of course and the main driving factor is our racist system whereby a maori caucus can define how the Government works. I’ve said it before and will say it again, this Government is inherently racist.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Again with your ‘East Polynesians’ thing.
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:00am
    - Man Among the Ruins
      
      What do you have against East Polynesians? Bigot.
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:35am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Perhaps you could tell me how neo-fascists approach ethnic classifications.
        
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        October 24, 2021 12:17pm
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        I understand that you often have no idea what you are talking about, but, although Evola offered critiques of Fascism, he actually considered himself, if anything, a “superfascist.” He saw Fascism as merely a potential means and a vehicle for implementing the core ideals of Traditionalism (ideals characteristic of what he saw as the more elevated and estimable ancient civilisations, particularly the Romans), by replacing the established and dominant bourgeois world-view. This he characterised as “the civilisation of the domesticated and standardised human animal, which eats and copulates, and the limits of whose horizon is Reader’s Digest, Hollywood and the sports stadiums … a life which knows neither heights or depths, and develops interests, affections, desires and passions which, however important they may be from the merely earthly point of view, become petty and relative from the supra-individual and spiritual point of view, which must always be regarded as proper to any human existence worthy of the name.” He concluded that Fascism had failed to bring this about in practice.
        
        It is possible to entertain and to investigate an idea without committing to it, you understand.
        
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        October 24, 2021 1:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thank you for that. Which qualities of Roman society did Evola most admire: the life or death power exercised by the paterfamilias over his relatives, slavery and the strict hierarchy of classes, infanticide, permanent warfare, or the rapid succession of military dictators?
        
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        October 24, 2021 1:42pm
      - Man Among the Ruins
        
        While you purposely neglect the other aspects of ancient Roman society that most of us – living as we do in a late-stage state of decadent bourgeois society – would typically regard as being positive and virtuous (e.g. civil law, architecture, infrastructure, artistic achievement and the like), Evola would probably regard all of the phenomena you point to above as being mostly admirable, given the Traditionalist views he held, those prizing order, hierarchy, the metaphysical aspects of war (e.g. the self-transcendence and spiritual elevation associated with heroic acts on the battlefield) and the like.
        
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        October 24, 2021 2:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Evola was probably unhappy that his buddy Himmler didn’t survive the war, too. Appealing to ‘traditionalism’ is lazy philosophy – just cherry picking the parts of the past where the neofascist can most readily imagine himself (always a him) as the adored centre of the social order.
        
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        October 24, 2021 3:44pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Maybe ask Jacinda Mikey, or the Democrats in the US, they are, after all, the leaders in the neo fascist movement.
        
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        October 24, 2021 8:36pm
- dime
  
  The silent majority are.
  
  The press live in a bubble. It takes an age for them to pick up on public sentiment.
  
  Unlike the racist woke, I’m all about helping those in need, no matter their race
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:52am
  - Man Among the Ruins
    
    There is public opinion, and then there is published opinion. As a current example, “Fuck Joe Biden!” reflects public opinion, whereas “Let’s Go Brandon!” is published opinion.
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:55am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Yes. I am also sick of them blaming everyone but themselves.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:21am
  - Ruawai
    
    They will now blame DHB’s and Maori.
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:56am
- bennerg
  
  [Close, but let’s not go there. General rule here is keep family out of discussion. mod.]
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:43am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Government of kindness strikes again.

“In response to parliamentary questions, the Health Minister has said it is not ‘in the public interest’ to determine how many people on the Faster Cancer Treatment pathway have had their surgical procedures cancelled.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2110/S00240/minister-wont-investigate-cancelled-cancer-procedures.htm

You’ve got to wonder why this item isn’t part of headline news…. maybe the MSM agrees that it is not in the public interest to tell us of “The 85,000 people who have had inpatient procedures cancelled in the past year”.
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October 24, 2021 8:09am
- The Boss
  
  Brilliant video posted late yesterday by geodon:
  “It’s getting heated in the covid response bumker”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTpXUMl7Stw
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:34am
- Bluegrass
  
  Memo to Health Minister: ‘public interest’ goes way beyond issues relating to complying with applicable law (both in letter and spirit).
  
  It is also about process and procedure, governance and ethics, accountability and transparency, acting apolitically in the performance of official functions, carrying out functions fairly and impartially.
  
  Question: in the Covid situation, in what way is the information sought not in the public interest?
  
  [Asked no MSM Kiwi journalist ever].
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:11am
  - Ruawai
    
    Its all good as Andrew Little said on ZB last week that they will catch up with screening as soon as covid is over. He doesn’t realise that people will have diagnosed and untreatable cancer by then, too late.
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:55am
    - cmm
      
      “He doesn’t realise that people will have diagnosed and untreatable cancer by then, too late.”
      
      I am sure he knows that. He also knows that the MSM are not going to call him out on that either.
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:58am
- peterwn
  
  The Common Prayer book formerly used by Anglican parishes has a section for one of the services entitled ‘The Comfortable Words’. What Jacinda spouts are ‘The Comfortable Words’ but that is as far as it goes.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:22am
- Maxx
  
  Everyone misinterpreted what was meant by be kind – it wasn’t meant to be to each other or indeed for what we should expect of the government to us. It was we should be kind to them. Ardern knew from the beginning that they didn’t have the skills for this and didn’t want to face the criticism that would ensue. By having a platform of “be kind”, anyone that didn’t exhibit this was deemed to not having the countries best interests in mind. Similarly the “team of 5 million”; all a way to control and deflect critique.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:41am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Tell you what. If one of the MSM had a rellie who died of cancer becuase they couldnt get treated we would hear all about it.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some of the MSM have recently been treated for cancer.. they seem strangely silent on this matter.
    https://prostate.org.nz/2021/01/simon-wilson-cancer-diary/
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:48am
  - cmm
    
    Naah. There are $55M, or is that now $100M, reasons not to.
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:59am
- Paulus
  
  Shane Reti is getting some of the figures together currently – he has some already.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s not in the public interest for any member of the public to have any knowledge of what the govt is up to. That might disturb MP’s social life or other trains of thought with consequential anxious MP’s.
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:28pm
RockyJ

The buzz weasel word in the New Zealand ethno culture war declared on us in the He Puapua document is “equity”.
Equality is easy to understand. It means everyone has the same size piece of pie. But equity is more subjective. It means fairness which means my slice of pie might be bigger than yours because I am hungrier. You might disagree with this and there’s the rub.
So it was disappointing to see equity being used as criterion for special Maori drug funding allocated by Pharmac. Here is the link. https://pharmac.govt.nz/te-tiriti-o-waitangi/te-whaioranga/te-rautaki-te-whaioranga/priority-equity-for-maori/
I completed their feedback form. I apologise to Pharmac as I lost my cool.
I means that Maori will probably gain funding for drugs not available to the rest of us. Unless Pharmac define equity another way.
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October 24, 2021 8:11am
- cmm
  
  What it means is that the outcomes must be the same even if they make poor choices.
  
  35% of pregnant Maori women are smokers while 4% of Europeans do. Yet their outcomes must be the same.
  
  Maori women do not reduce their smoking rates when they become pregnant. European women do. But due to equity, the health system must deliver just as healthy babies to Maori women as to European women.
  
  No doubt if they don’t care about the health of their unborn children, then the same patterns play out in other areas too – alcohol abuse etc.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:36am
  - Flossie
    
    But you do realize that’s because of colonialism don’t you//
    Never their own fault. Perhaps they can’t read/understand the heaps of publicity around smoking and pregnancy.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:39pm
    - cmm
      
      No they just don’t care enough.
      
      Is it any wonder that the same demographics that smoke while pregnant also are :
      * Less likely to feed their kids before sending them off to school.
      * Less concerned about the kids’ educational outcome.
      * More likely to become obese.
      * More likely to feed their kids crap.
      * More likely to become criminals.
      * More likely to end up in loser situations with boyfriends that beat up their kids.
      * More likely to abuse alcohol and drugs.
      * More likely to blow the grocery money on wasteful stuff (Lotto, booze, smokes, crap they can’t afford).
      * More likely to have armfuls of CV19 comorbidities.
      
      How the hell can society produce equity with such a loaded stack?
      
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      October 24, 2021 2:51pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori equity now should be based on genetic percentages. Show me a Maori and I’ll point you to a mixed race.
  Do Maori even make up 5% of NZ’s genetic pool on a per capita basis?
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:31pm
Pavel

Why is there even a traffic light system? Why not just hit 90% and drop everything and go back to normal? Isn’t that why we got the jab, so we could return to normal. I notice under the traffic light system we will have to sign in everywhere we go. No doubt that info will eventually be shared with ird and police etc. The traffic light system reminds me of a speech Mussolini gave in 1936 where he said “we have finally buried the putrid corpse of liberty”. That there will be a traffic light system, or even any restrictions at 90% jabbed, is outrageous.
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October 24, 2021 8:11am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  The vaccine is a dud.
  
  Could be worse, it may be contributing to the problem making it worse.
  
  Welcome to the new tyranny from the government to keep us all compliant.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Expect legal challenges shortly. Ardern may be attempting to bring in the WEF/UN climate change controls where our lives will be rationed.
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:34pm
Yvette

• Coronavirus: Peeni Henare explains why there’s no vaccine target for Māori, says Cabinet ‘had to draw a line in the sand’

• Associate Health Minister Peeni Henare also announced a further $120 million fund would support Māori communities to fast-track vaccination efforts and prepare for the new framework. A total of $60m would be spent on boosting Māori vaccination rates, and $60m would support Māori and iwi-led initiatives to protect communities against the virus.

If no vaccine target is set for Maori, how will they know if the 90 percent has been reached or not, or whether $120 million is usefully spent or not – or another $120m needs to be thrown at the issue?

But apparently they do know “How each DHB stacks up for the 90% vaccination target” with Flourish data visualizations – bar graphs – showing “Percentage of DHB eligible Māori population fully vaccinated” and “Second vaccine doses needed to reach 90% of the DHB Māori eligible population fully vaccinated”. [1]

Then in other detail the same article explains – Auckland will move into red as soon as the Auckland DHBs hit the 90 percent vaccination target, rather than wait for the rest of the country.
The rest of the country will move all at the same time to “orange” when all DHBs around the country reach the 90 percent target.
… Green is when there are some Covid-19 cases in the community but at low levels. Fully vaccinated people can enjoy all events and hospitality and gatherings by showing a vaccine certificate.

But Bay of Plenty DHB is one of the lowest (62 percent )vaccinated DHB regions, with the lowest number of eligible Maori fully vaccinated (40 percent), but currently without any covid cases, – and with “Green is when there are some Covid-19 cases in the community but at low levels” – BOP DHB should immediately be on pale green.

All this is amazingly complex, especially after Ardern has just got the weakest link to grasp the Levels System.
The only certainty I can glean (Biblical term) from the new Traffic Light System, is that Brian Tamaki will be charged with jay-walking – several times – and breaking presbyterian crossing conditions. [2]

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/454142/how-each-dhb-stacks-up-for-the-90-percent-vaccination-target
[2] James Elliott, lawyer and contributing writer to Newsroom – thank you for the reference to Tamaki
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October 24, 2021 8:12am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  Set an arbitrary target based on nothing whatsoever, and then vilify everyone who chooses not to act towards reaching your arbitrary target. What a horrible woman.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:31am
- jgw739
  
  Of note regarding the BOP DHB area, the Herald has a breakdown of vaccination % numbers by district or city council. When filtered from lowest rate to highest, the Eastern BOP councils take three of the top five spots (Kawerau, Opotiki & Whakatane).
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-three-towns-one-district-surpass-90-per-cent-with-one-dose-of-vaccine/SW6NTTU5TW2GOQL5NVHY364LBI/
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:09am
  - Yvette
    
    Jgw739 – When filtered from lowest rate to highest, the Eastern BOP councils take three of the top five spots (Kawerau, Opotiki & Whakatane).
    
    I may misunderstand your comment or mis-read the chart you link to, but –
    
    Kawerau : 47.1% fully vaccinated : placing 66, last of a list of 66
    Opotiki : 54.2 fully vaccinated : placing 63=
    Whakatane : 54.5 fully vaccinated : placing 62
    
    Tauranga itself : 62.5 fully vaccinated : 41= place
    Dunedin in top place, 1, has 78.8% fully vaccinated
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perhaps the Law Drafting people couldn’t define Maori–highly likely.
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:38pm
Chuck Bird

Sorry premium

Kerre McIvor: I think the PM wanted to bring hope – I came away with anything but

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kerre-mcivor-i-think-the-pm-wanted-to-bring-hope-i-came-away-with-anything-but/J4CPID6SDABWTTLVJF4TAGHB4I/
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October 24, 2021 8:12am
- PhilBest
  
  Liz Gunn speaking out now – totally over Jacinda
  
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/RbitL66oHBYZ/
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:22am
- Fletch
  
  Still, having heard snippets of Kerre on ZB, she is totally pro-vax and has this attitude of ‘shut up and get the vax” for anyone who disagrees with it.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:59am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    As do the Timorons.
    And they also lie about the vaxx
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:58am
  - pdm
    
    On Friday Kerre called the propaganda from the Podium – Flannel in a very sarastic tone.
    
    Never ever had much time for Kerre – thought she was a Labour shrill – but maybe not now.
    
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    October 24, 2021 4:51pm
  - ecco
    
    Kerre is definitely pro vax, as I am. On the whole Kerre is very right leaning and wanting to hold the government to account on her show. I have several underlying conditions and felt that getting vaxxed was better for me. I also think that many in the population who also have those conditions are better off vaxed and that covers a lot of the maori and pacific islanders. I don’t hold it against anyone who decides not to get vaxed.
    
    I’d just like to see a deadline set for lifting lockdowns rather than an unattainable %.
    
    It’s a shame though that this site has descended into a vax/anti vax divide. It’s normally a very cool place to hang out but the aggro shown by a handful of anti vax/hesitant vax/waiting for other vaccines commenters, towards pro vax commenters is kind of off putting. It’s got to the stage where pro vax, right leaning people are probably not even going to bother to comment on kiwiblog due to the vitriol shown by those who are anti vax. What a shame. Whether it be through down voting or downright aggro reply comments.
    
    I’m of the view of Benedict Yu who has stated his position ad infinitum. Good on him. As someone said a couple of weeks ago it might be better for those who are fervently anti vax to start up their own blog and see how many people are actually interested in reading it. That pretty much sums up my view.
    
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    October 24, 2021 5:02pm
Man Among the Ruins

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it is profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.” – Frank Zappa
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October 24, 2021 8:14am
Master Mariner

Energy security poses a far more serious threat to our way of life here and price inflation is heading the wrong way and the future does not look any brighter.

Unfortunately everyone seems asleep at the wheel.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Forget-100-Options-Traders-Now-Betting-On-Oil-Prices-Hitting-200.html

It would be interesting if any high consumers are putting in Forward contracts for 100 $/bbl in pricing.

Meanwhile us mere Minions will be unable to drive due to price inflation at the pumps.
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October 24, 2021 8:14am
- Taieri
  
  Clicked “report” by mistake. My apologies.
  
  As you know there’s been very little exploration since the bottom fell out in the offshore sector in 2014/15. Now we are starting to reap the rewards. Increasing prices at the bowser are just a part of the story. Everything else made with petroleum derived materials will become scarce and very expensive. That includes medicines, food, clothing etc.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:32am
  - Nickc2
    
    And we have a lunatic representing us at Glasgow COP 26 (complete with an entourage of so-called 4th Estate maggots and other acolytes) advocating more of the same. Who are the suckers???
    
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    October 24, 2021 3:58pm
- mawm
  
  Not everyone. Watch this short video.
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/7uO5jg4J6XzH/
  
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  October 24, 2021 2:24pm
Kiwi_in_Paris

Don’t you wish you lived in Romania right now? Eastern European countries seem to be the place for sense and freedoms.

https://twitter.com/org_scp/status/1451974996461604866
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October 24, 2021 8:15am
- Sacha
  
  Maybe it’s because they remember what it’s like to lose their freedom. We have taken ours for granted and have yet to learn that others will always be pleased to interfere.
  But some of us are defending our freedom – to not join in the collective rush for protection against an illness which we know will finally defeat itself.
  We are feeling increasingly threatened by the majority. It is not pleasant, but we must hold the line and others will join us.
  The tide will turn.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Being under the boot heel of Soviet Communism for decades does tend to leave a beneficially strong social memory…
  
  It is interesting how people now in the west, who lived under 20th century totalitarianism, are speaking up and telling us to wake up.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The democracy project does not list a single central or eastern European country as a full democracy. Seven are authoritarian, eight are ‘hybrid regimes’, and 13 are ‘flawed democracies’. Romania is listed as a ‘flawed democracy’, which means elections are fair and free and basic civil liberties are honoured but there might be issues such as media freedom, minor suppression of political opposition and critics, etc. Romania ranks 62nd on the index.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:08am
  - mawm
    
    I wonder where NZ sits now that basic civil liberties are being withdrawn and the media is a bought and paid for government mouthpiece. Certainly lower than Romania.
    
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    October 24, 2021 2:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As NZ was 4th on the 2020 index and Romania 62nd, that seems unlikely. First was Norway, 167th (and last) was North Korea. NZ is one of only 23 nations ranked as a ‘full democracy’.
      
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      October 24, 2021 3:51pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Well, I guess we must have slipped more than a few places then. Vaccine passports and neo fascism go pretty well together.
        
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        October 24, 2021 8:50pm
      - mawm
        
        It’s now 2021 and Labour are governing on their own. Things have changed dramatically and we can longer be considered a “full democracy”.
        
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        October 24, 2021 9:15pm
  - PhilBest
    
    And that Index is produced by people who have a serious problem with “populism” and leaders who win elections fair and square on a platform that the sneering globalist elites deplore.
    
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    October 24, 2021 6:18pm
- alloytoo
  
  Western nations were only vaccinated against communism.
  
  Eastern European countries have a naturally acquired immunity.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:20am
- virtualmark
  
  Nope, I have never wished I lived in Romania.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:38am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Eastern European countries seem to be the place for sense and freedoms.
  
  Well….. Lithuania seems to have forgotten what 1991 felt like.
  
  My wife and I have been suspended without pay for 4 weeks. We can’t return to our jobs. Not sure our employers would let us back. Even if they did, our colleagues despise us, wish on social media for our death.
  
  We can’t find new jobs in our professions. My wife and I have very different jobs in very different fields. But all jobs in both our fields now require the Covid Pass. No Pass, no job.
  
  Oh, and as you’ll see at the link the Lithuanian PM, Ingrida Šimonytė, went from promising no mandates to the situation described above in just nine months – just like Adern.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Which is your favourite political regime in eastern Europe, Tom?
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:31pm
I remember when

The Guardian: New trade deal unfair on farmers and won’t help emissions:
And so it begins. The tyranny of distance.
It will be little use producing figures to show that NZ exports are responsible for less CO2 than those of local UK farmers.
Don’t have to read the facts, everyone just knows that produce from one hundred miles away just has to have lower emissions than imports, from the bottom of the world.
A chance to save the world without really having to do anything – a guaranteed winner.
Watch the problems pile up.
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October 24, 2021 8:16am
Tomtoddy

An interview of Ardern by Derek Cheng. Dreadful. She didnt answer questions, rambled incoherently, maintained this patronising “we can”, “we will”, approach. I am so over her.
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October 24, 2021 8:17am
- Frank the tank
  
  Dopey Derek is the next cab in the rank now that people are actively mocking the TovaJessica stitch up. He’s a fanboi like Tame.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:22am
- Ruahine
  
  I am not here to be questioned by you.
  Just shut up and listen. I’m doing the talking.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:46am
- pdm
  
  TT you are dreaming if you expected her to change from her practice since October 2017.
  
  Has she ever given a straight answer to any question. Now Judith Collins and David Seymour are usually totally different.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:55am
- cmm
  
  It’s all Magic Cindyland stuff.
  
  We can save Tinkerbell and the other fairies if enough people just believe.
  
  In Cindyland we just need to believe in Cindy’s awesome inchewishun as much as she does.
  
  This is the Mormon Magic Spectacles world-view that Cindy has. She has the magic specs (her intuition). She can see things that everyone else can’t. For the rest of us, without her intuition , it is our job to believe.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    She also gets briefing papers from the WEF and invites to their powwows.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:44pm
- Alwyn Poole
  
  Do you have a link?
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:24am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/liam-dann-we-are-a-polarised-country-the-qualities-well-need-to-get-through/G46MGNPJF3577NVWRCBQUASAMI/
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:28am
    - Alwyn Poole
      
      Thanks
      
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      October 24, 2021 9:50am
    - Ruawai
      
      I think she has gone mad and lives in a alternate world in her head.
      
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      October 24, 2021 10:53am
      - pdm
        
        Not much in that head Ruawai – or at least I have not seen any indications that there is much between Jacindas ears.
        
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        October 24, 2021 4:55pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      She has forgotten the rule of law. Here she is seen mocking any other rule than hers.
      We need process to impeach such a ruler with extreme penalties as appropriate.
      The Courts might be able to catch her if they reject some of the new rules and make breach orders in respect of their rulings. Proceedings for contempt may be possible.
      
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      October 24, 2021 1:50pm
- Alwyn Poole
  
  Right. She doesn’t seem well – but even in that case to absolutely assert that she is creating two classes of people (medical apartheid) is not something I thought I would ever see from a NZ PM.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:33am
Frank the tank

Won’t be lots of outdoor activities in Auckland this weekend but lots of indoor gatherings. Plenty of super spreader events no doubt.

Will we get our first double century this week or next?

P.S Where is the analysis and critique of the traffic light plan. The feckless are obviously on instructions this weekend.
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October 24, 2021 8:25am
- ecco
  
  Will keep till Tuesday. Newstalk zb will be good to listen to except for the 12-4pm slot. Thank goodness for DPF and kiwiblog. I’m about to make another donation.
  
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  October 24, 2021 4:11pm
I remember when

Northland the land of mystery and the unknown.
Why did cases in Northland always seem to be shrouded with a cloak.
Details are at best hinted at but never officially released.
Are we waiting for the release of the book or perhaps it’s a movie – “My Secret Covid Mission to Northland to save the Nation.”
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October 24, 2021 8:25am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Been hosing down here day and night. But the Herald/Advocate had quite a bit of detail on the Kaikohe family case. They seem to have done everything right and just been very unlucky but also not very likely to have spread it beyond their immediate family. Touch wood.
  
  Nothing much about the Paroa Bay case but it seemed more of a close contact.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:12am
  - Alwyn Poole
    
    C’mon Alan – it has only been raining for 90 hours on end now. The water has turned brackish. The snapper have headed out to sea … but … we did have our first guests at Titore Lodge for the last 3 months. Nearly hugged them and I am not a huggy guy.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:09pm
Frank the tank

How low can Joe go? Underwater approval rating in 41 states. Batty – did Trump ever have approval rates this low?
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October 24, 2021 8:27am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  What a precipitous fall: from most popular president in history, to diabolically low approval ratings in about 9 months. It defies all rational explanation, doesn’t it. Say it ain’t so, Joe!
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:16am
- oldfella
  
  Powerline’s weekly compilation of US political humour.
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/the-week-in-pictures-supply-chain-edition.php
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:18am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Meanwhile…
  Giddyup ?
  https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1451646314157051908?t=k4iVPV9cRvZMeXFV-WBkcg&s=19
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:05pm
Bridgenag

Haven’t you noticed her tracing her finger down the prepared answers at the press junkets with Tova and Jessica. Anything not on the list is ignored.

No other ministers allowed to comment.

Has anyone counted the seconds allocated to National and Act when they give comments on TV compared with random folks off the street with their pearls of wisdom
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October 24, 2021 8:29am
- artemisia
  
  Those vox pops can be extremely weird. Watching those we don’t need to remind ourselves that half the population is average intelligence at most.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:27am
kowtow

Is anyone else even marginally perplexed by how protection of a “vigorous dance” could find its way into a agreement ?

One of many ironies around the whole thing is that at the very moment the globalist elites / far left activists who drive agendas against figures historical , especially if they were perceived to be invaders , slavers , war mongers are seeking to protect the legacy of …….an invading ,genocidal, slaver, war monger.
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October 24, 2021 8:30am
mikenmildagain

Wonderful to see and hear the US national anthem performed by the Washington Gay Men’s Chorus.
Now for the haka and the rugby…
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October 24, 2021 8:33am
- oldfella
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:24am
Alwyn Poole

GREAT to see a huge unmasked crowd at a rugby game!
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October 24, 2021 8:34am
- ecco
  
  Although I noticed that in the US the NBA requires all spectators to be vaccinated. It doesn’t seem to have affected crowd numbers.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:51am
  - emmess
    
    Just dropped the prices
    Supply and demand
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:58am
    - ecco
      
      Doubt nba tix price will drop in price even with the vax ct requirement. Was a full house at the warriors game I just watched.
      
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      October 24, 2021 4:14pm
- Alwyn Poole
  
  The USA half-time chat has been precorded: https://www.marktastic.com/2009/02/will-forte-peyton-manning-dancing-on-snl/
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:11am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Are you holding up the US as an exemplar? With 750,000 dead of covid. One in 400 of the entire population. The rate per million is now well above that of most of Europe.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:46am
  - Alwyn Poole
    
    Where do we get our vaccine from Wayne? They have acknowledged that their stats are co-morbid. They are a huge and internationally exposed country. Yes – in many situations they have done well and have many people standing strong for genuine freedom. My son is a citizen in the USA, works for the worlds leading covid therapeutic producer – and considers our government to be well below moronic.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:03pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Damn straight, Alwyn.
      
      You couldn’t compare two more different scenarios than the US and NZ. There are worse things that can happen to your society than deaths from a virus, and those things are all happening in NZ.
      
      But Mapp’s a National surrogate, which should tell observers what they need to know about the true state of that party, a few twists and turns and fair bit of politicking aside, a party in lockstep with the government over COVID (and much else), so don’t look for sanity or salvation there.
      
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      October 24, 2021 1:25pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Mapp=Nino.
        
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        October 24, 2021 1:54pm
kowtow

Extraordinary how the International Media Pardy ,our own included ,drives certain themes around race and “equity” and yet they are obsessed and fill their pages with stories about missing white women and uber wealthy Hollywood types ( Gabby Petito /Baldwin) while the huge woes of the Plebs in the rest of the world are essentially ignored .
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October 24, 2021 8:34am
Thought Criminal

Is it Jacindelivery or Jacindalivery?
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October 24, 2021 8:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The effectiveness of neologisms depends upon the cleverness and intent of the writer coining the word.
  Jacindalivery sounds like something a fan like you might display, as in “I am proud to wear Jacinda livery”. Jacindelivery sounds like a service you wanted, as in “I ordered through Jacin delivery, and it was great – I would certainly order from Jacin again”.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The latter will be the uniform the unvaxxed are required to don.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:06am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I will not be wearing any non-vaxed regalia without accompanying protest.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:56pm
- nathie
  
  I think it is Jacunderdelivery!
  
  According to the dictionary: To deliver less, or at an inferior level, than promised or expected.
  
  Hmmm sounds 100% spot-on!
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:34am
Stu2

I haven’t seen comment on changing levels once in the traffic light system.

Quoting from https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-levels-and-updates/covid-19-protection/

“Green is when there are some COVID-19 cases in the community, and sporadic imported cases. Community transmission will be limited and COVID-19 hospitalisations will be at a manageable level…”

“At Orange, there will be increasing community transmission that is putting pressure on our health system ….”

“At Red, action will be needed to be taken to protect both at-risk people and protect our health system from an unsustainable number of hospitalisations”

Pretty vague. Anyone confident they know exactly what would trigger a light change?

And whether Auckland at red say, could preclude the south island going to green?
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October 24, 2021 8:47am
- Taieri
  
  Anyone confident they know exactly what would trigger a light change?
  —————–
  
  Yep. The PM’s whim. Or the latest poll results.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:35am
Truman lodge

Unmasked at the rugby is fantastic!

Going forward however we will have vaxxed customers at your favourite restaurant in ponsonby with all the staff wearing masks. I can’t think of anything more dehumanising than trendy urbanites enjoying a night out while staff are all masked to the gills.
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October 24, 2021 8:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I can actually think of quite a few things more dehumanising than restaurant staff wearing face masks.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:37am
KevO'Brien

Coming to us too, “Climate Lockdowns”?
This is agin them. The first 25 mins give an excellent presentation:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/23/watch-moranos-full-25-min-speech-on-climate-lockdowns-at-heartland-skeptic-conference-in-las-vegas/
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October 24, 2021 8:57am
- Man Among the Ruins
  
  And don’t forget that your electric vehicle will be remotely disabled, as well as your digital ID access suspended if centralised records show that you’ve exceeded your monthly allocation of carbon emissions.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:24am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    EV’s won’t do carbon emissions. Future EV’s won’t even have batteries as a power source. The tech’s here now so the race is on to get it to market.
    
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    October 24, 2021 2:02pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I hope so, cause right now EV’s are burning coal with a very long exhaust.
      
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      October 24, 2021 8:25pm
All_on_Red

For those interested in the Alec Baldwin shooting here is a take from an Attorney who specialises in the Law of Self Defense.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/10/legal-analysis-does-alec-baldwin-have-criminal-exposure-after-shooting-woman-dead-in-apparent-mistake/

And an update .
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/10/alec-baldwins-accident.php
Good actor, shit person but this is pretty tragic
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October 24, 2021 8:59am
- cmm
  
  He broke Gun Rule 1 & 2:
  * Every gun is loaded.
  * Every time someone hands you a gun, check it.
  
  and the prop person broke Gun Rule 3:
  * Every time you hand someone a gun, check it.
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:12am
  - Caleb
    
    New gun rules:
    
    1, Only deactivated firearms on movie sets.
    2, Gun free films only, for anti gun activists.
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:37am
    - bennerg
      
      Baldwin is a hypocrite – an anti-gun activist, who is filming a movie using guns!
      
      He’s done Ads against the NRA, yet here he is playing with a gun outside of actual filming.
      
      Doesn’t understand the rules of handling a gun? Never, ever point a gun at something you don’t intend to kill. On film sets they have prop guns that are plugged (cannot shoot anything) for shots where a gun is held against a person’s head. All the rest is done in post production. Even actors want to feel safe.
      
      Baldwin will be done for manslaughter – but at some lower level. Unless there is something we don’t know yet.
      
      However the gun wrangler is gonna go down for having live ammunition on a film set, let alone not having controls in place to manage weapons.
      
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      October 24, 2021 11:58am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Didn’t they have trouble with labour on the set? A replacement lot…..good for a movie
        
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        October 24, 2021 12:56pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A gun (especially a hand gun) is an instrument of death and must be respected as such.
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:42am
    - cmm
      
      A gun is a lump of metal.
      
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      October 24, 2021 10:58am
      - Lance
        
        Technically speaking, so it a nuclear weapon.
        A fission bomb’s core is a metal ball of plutonium, that when triggered is squeezed really hard, and it goes off. It is designed to be a weapon.
        A shot-put is also a metal ball, but is considerably less lethal. It is not designed to be a weapon (these days anyway).
        Not sure what your point is?
        
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        October 24, 2021 12:19pm
      - cmm
        
        My point is that none of these things are dangerous unless poorly handled.
        
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        October 24, 2021 2:54pm
  - mawm
    
    3 Never point a gun at a person …… and never pull the trigger!
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:13am
    - Lance
      
      You do know this was a movie set right?
      
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      October 24, 2021 12:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Some people have no idea how many people have been accidentally killed on movie sets. Hint: a lot.
        
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        October 24, 2021 12:33pm
      - mawm
        
        Yes I do, and that the gun (real) was being used as a movie prop, but he shot the person behind the camera and a second person. He did not follow rule 1 – always check for yourself that the gun is safe.
        
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        October 24, 2021 2:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Anti gun idiots should not even be given a gun, prop or not
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:28am
- dime
  
  The memes are hilarious though
  
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  October 24, 2021 9:21am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I see ‘Lesko Brandon’ is now getting paged at Airports and Stadiums.
    
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    October 24, 2021 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Guns don’t kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:29am
artemisia

Kiwiblog posters and readers are not your average voters, to be sure. If only because they have a more than average interest in politics.

But an increasing level of civil disobedience is making itself noticed here. And is not because we are angry we can’t have picnics more than 10 people. The recurring themes are – personal responsibility, lack of logic, vilifying alternative facts, racial division, everyone’s out of step except our Johnny.

And all those billions hogtying current and future taxpayers.
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October 24, 2021 9:03am
- emmess
  
  Have a quick chat or signal your approval (e.g. thumbs up) to people you see disobeying to let them know that they are not alone.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:01am
Yvette

Let’s screw the messengers – the DHBs.
Little is going to demolish them anyway – so this suits his narrative.

… on Wednesday Newsroom revealed how “incredulous” Health Minister Andrew Little was about Taranaki DHB’s performance. He went even further, saying both Taranaki and Tairāwhiti DHBs had failed Māori on vaccination.
Within hours, Ngarewa-Packer, who is working directly with Ngāti Ruanui and Ngāruahine iwi in Taranaki to provide health services, received a call from the DHB to say the mobile vaccination clinic they’d long been asking for had been accepted.
Shortly after, Doctor Ashley Bloomfield was on the phone to the DHB’s chief executive asking what more it needed to get Māori vaccination rates up, including an offer to personally visit and help with the cause.
He then called Tairāwhiti DHB’s chief executive and offered the same thing.
Covid hasn’t treated Māori well. – Newsroom [1]

So Taranaki and Tairāwhiti DHBs are “in the gun”
But not apparently Bay of Plenty DHB, one of the lowest (62 percent )vaccinated DHB regions, and the lowest number of eligible Maori fully vaccinated (40 percent) [2]

(Or do different DHBs – like the “3 Waters” proposed 4 entities [3] – have unbalanced numbers of Maori in their particular regions – so DHBs are in unequal “competition”?)

So is attacking Taranaki and Tairāwhiti DHBs is a Little like President George W. Bush standing atop a pile of rubble at Ground Zero and saying that “the terrorists responsible for the September 11 attacks will hear from America soon” – then finds 15 of the 19 plane hijackers were Saudi Arabia nationals, so, obsessed with dictator Saddam Hussein, Bush attacks Iraq?

This why I have asked several times now (sorry, for the repetition) if there is valid Te Ao Maori values underlying the Maori Health Authority – currently being established by legislation introduced to Parliament last Wednesday – why are those principles not applied to boost Maori vaccination now?

Is Andrew Bush caught with his panzers down and the Maori Health Authority has no real weapons of mass instruction?

What a fucking farce – non-delivery before the Authority even exists – true Jacindelivery defined: empty theory but diarrheal verbosity .

[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/times-up-for-dhbs-failing-maori
[2] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/454142/how-each-dhb-stacks-up-for-the-90-percent-vaccination-target
[3] which should trigger the Ngai Tahu “top-up”clause in their Treaty Settlement
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October 24, 2021 9:06am
- cmm
  
  They want to do away with DHBs. This is some of the “evidence” showing DHBs are failing and need to be replaced by a Cindy System.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori who are not strongly attached to a tribe are likely to refuse to have anything to do with a Maori Vaccination Program.
  Maori are NOT one nation. They are separate tribal groups.
  
  Is Mahuta stirring up trouble again?
  
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  October 24, 2021 2:09pm
ABS4EVA

I can neither confirm nor deny my location

But after the end of the Longest Lock down in the world

Took my dog for a walk at a large NICE Bush park

There was a group enjoying a …….
wait for it ………..
BARBECUE

Peaceful family and friends
pretty low key relaxed did not look
like they were over any density limits to me

Do my walk

Come back

The Police are booking them

Freedom Freedom Friday or Fryday
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP

Labour Party Black Uniformed GESTAPO
Checking their Papers or Digital records
Papers Papers where is you VAC certificate

They did not appear like a threat to the community to me and I get it after what they have endured

BUT RULES ARE RULES ARE RULES ARE RULES and then there are going to be
MORE Rules entwined with other RULES

and if any of you THINK for one MINUTE you
are going to GET YOUR FREEDOM back

THINK AGAIN

All people are trading is one set of
Draconian rules

for another set of Draconian Rules
ENFORCED by a PETTY
POLITICAL POLICE FORCE
that are a WING of the LABOUR PARTY

who I AVOID like THE PLAGUE
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October 24, 2021 9:18am
- cmm
  
  Look at it from plod’s point of view:
  It is way easier to go harass a bunch of people having a bbq than it is to go take down a gang pad.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:45am
  - emmess
    
    Well they shouldn’t comply because the government will eventually come for their jobs
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:03am
  - Bridgenag
    
    https://youtu.be/9H8RwA_Y7VI
    [Video is not available. mod.]
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:59pm
Cassandra

The All Blacks are playing the USA’s Eagles now. A search of the New York Times shows – nothing. Entering Rugby in its Search comes up with an article in August. I guess it gives the players an opportunity to go to the Smithsonian.
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October 24, 2021 9:20am
- MCos
  
  What’s your point?
  Rugby is the definition of a minor sport in America and their national team, as far as I recall, doesn’t feature in the men’s RWC.
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:40pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The USA men’s team has been to all of the RWCs so far, except 1995. They have just lost to Uruguay in qualifying for 2023. They need to beat Chile (who eliminated Canada) for the right to reach the final qualification tournament next year, where they would face Tonga, Asia 1, Africa 2 and Europe 3 for the last two spots.
    
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    October 24, 2021 1:36pm
- rouppe
  
  But a cracking good sign
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-miq-sucks-banner-pops-up-at-all-blacks-game/QX2BJ4NM6VKLRKSF4HOSJYESDY/
  
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  October 24, 2021 3:11pm
bythesea

For those of you that follow Dr John Campbell (UK) youtube channel (very pro vax to say upfront, but open to looking at data results from all over), he has an interview with a vax injured pro MTBer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7inaTiDKaU

A study on myocarditis is the reason that Nordic countries are now advising against Moderna for younger men (<30).

Results from this CA paper – scroll down to A3 (p25) to see young male risk of myocarditis
https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-aefi-report.pdf?la=en
– gender ratio is about 6:1 !!
– risk for young men is something like 1:6000
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October 24, 2021 9:22am
ABS4EVA

Why would you NOT make more than one
Vaccine available in NZ?

Seriously even though they define these as
Non experimental to allow their legal distribution
this is New Technology.

The (Potential) Long Term Side affects if any are not going to be known for years or Decades so why put all your eggs in one (potential) Basket Case?

Also over seas people are already mixing a cocktail of Vaccines to gain potentially higher efficacy

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01359-3

So you can have some people take one Vaccine
Some another and others a combination

Eventually we will all be taking a
NOVAVAX style top up
that can be stored at lower temperatures
and has a longer shelf life and can be
Bundled with an Annual Flu Jab to address
latest strains of Flu and COVID at the same time?

or is it safe to say the people rabidly pushing a
ONE VAX mandate have NOT thought that
far ahead.
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October 24, 2021 9:34am
- Fletch
  
  Someone said on this blog the other day (who claims to be knowledgeable) that rumor going around Wellington is that the govt made an exclusive deal with Pfizer in order to get the vaccine here earlier. So, no other competitors. If this is so, it’s yet another monumental stuff-up by this govt.
  
  Someone else mentioned that they thought this was so, but that the arrangement runs out on November the 3rd, along with the provisional approval by Medsafe.
  
  Not sure how true that is.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:51am
  - virtualmark
    
    Not true at all.
    
    It’s well established public record that we have contracts with AstraZeneca, J&J/Janssen, Novavax and Pfizer. That is still the case.
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:41am
    - Fletch
      
      It’s true this is what it says on the govt websites, but why have none of these other vaccines ever materialized? Most of this information is from December last year that they have just left up on the site. Someone posted a link to a freedom of information request to ask about the arrival of Novavax but that it hadn’t been answered since Sept.
      
      https://fyi.org.nz/request/16673-official-information-request-novavax-and-valneva
      
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      October 24, 2021 1:06pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Back in January the Ministry of Health decided to only deploy the Pfizer vaccine. I understand they did that because they wanted just the one set of protocols and processes for the workforce who are giving the vaccines.
        
        I believe we are donating our AstraZeneca and J&J/Janssen vaccines to Covax, for use in the third world. They would be delivered direct to other countries and never land here.
        
        Novavax still haven’t got an approved vaccine, or demonstrated they can manufacture it in bulk. So we won’t have taken any deliveries from them yet. It’s possible that contract might lapse due to their inability to deliver within agreed timeframes.
        
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        October 24, 2021 1:48pm
Yvette

A billionaire New Zealand entrepreneur says the government is painting a “false picture” about how strong our economy is.

ZURU Toys co-founder Nick Mowbray says the government “keeps bragging about our GDP growth numbers” and says it’s not looking at the world through a real lens.

“New Zealand has accumulated as much national debt in the last 18 months as it has added in total over our entire country’s history,” he claimed in a lengthy LinkedIn post.

Speaking to Magic Talk’s Lloyd Burr Live, Mowbray said the government has doubled New Zealand’s national debt in just 18 short months.

“We’ve pumped about $60-odd billion into the economy which is roughly 20 percent of our GDP,” he said.

Mowbray says the government has painted a false picture about the health of our economy and he has a problem with that.

“When you pump $60 billion of QE – or basically printed money – into an economy, what you get is this artificial GDP growth and you create this huge surge in demand,” he told Magic Talk.
https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/10/-false-picture—kiwi-businessman-slams-govt-for-lying-about–st.html

It’s that time of year again! If you’d like to help design the Prime Minister’s official Christmas card, here’s how to take part: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/feature/prime-ministers-christmas-card-competition
– has an accompanying vomitable video in which the audio of Jacinda clapping her hands seems to be about five frames out of sync with the image (but Yes, you can use crayons!)
Anyhow, ZURU Toys co-founder Nick Mowbray is almost certainly off Jacinda and Grant’s Christmas Card List.
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October 24, 2021 9:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Yesterday the Government’s Chief Science Advisor released a 5-page letter to Jacinda Ardern outlining concerns about the traffic-light system for covid management and the evolving Covid-19 strategy.

https://cpb-ap-se2.wpmucdn.com/blogs.auckland.ac.nz/dist/f/688/files/2021/10/Summary-of-expert-workshop.pdf

In brief… It’s a thumbs-down.

The media has only mentioned a couple of matters raised in this letter – pertaining to Maori/Pacifica peoples.

But there’s loads more that should be revealed to Joe Public:

*The recognition that Lockdowns 3 & 4 are just too challenging (impossible) for some groups of people.

*there are already workforce issues and capacity constraints affecting the ability to manage the current outbreak (and that was written a couple of weeks ago

* Its fairly obvious that the expert group wants tight constraints on the population for as long as possible
There was a clear consensus that we should slow the spread of the virus as much as possible until we have banked the immunity from the rapidly accelerating vaccination drive.

* The message is being lost in a fog of unclear objectives
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October 24, 2021 9:49am
- artemisia
  
  A scientist point of view with an emphasis on equity and Maori. Fair enough for that group of experts. But it is not the only point of view, not that there is much said about other impacts apart from platitudes and here is more money.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:17am
- Taieri
  
  Wonder if these “experts” would change their tune if they were to leave their ivory towers and had to function in the real world ?
  
  Some of their pronouncements are strange indeed. Like the one below, positively Greta Thunbergish:
  
  “(…)He said the government also needed to make it clear that there was “no jab, no job, no fun”.
  
  Jackson said he’s woken up every morning at 3.30am for the past few weeks “freaking out about what’s going to happen in New Zealand”.
  
  “I used to be a clinical doctor, but I’m now a population health doctor which means that each New Zealander is one of my patients, every New Zealander.”(…)”
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:42am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Tai: And what a knob that man is.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:13pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  It is indeed a thumbs-down, but not for reasons most Kiwibloggers would agree with. These people still seem to think that minimizing or even eliminating covid transmission is the overarching objective to which all other social, health, environmental and economic objectives must be sacrificed.
  
  They have every right to advise on what should be done as if that were the sole objective, but Ministers’ job is to balance that against other objectives.
  
  Our critique here, for the most part, isn’t that the Government is not doing enough to please this group. Just because somebody criticizes the Government doesn’t mean opponents of the government agree with them. That’s why it can be difficult for opposition parties to get clear messages across
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:44am
Greg Ettridge

Be interested in any comments on this.
I have been trying get one of my sons an exception in QLD. Very difficult for any doctor to even talk about it. I came across this yesterday on the Australian government vaccination certificate site.
https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/services/medicare/australian-immunisation-register/what-register/immunisation-medical-exemptions
there are four lots of exemptions listed including these.
1)had anaphylaxis after a previous dose of a vaccine
2)had anaphylaxis after a dose of any component of a vaccine
3) are significantly immunocompromised—for live vaccines only
4)have natural immunity—for hepatitis B, measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox only.
I have had the jackpot all in number 4 is except Hep B, my three sons all had measles in NZ.
I am intrigued these obviously give you some sort of immunity.
Anyone my age (70) will have had some of these ailments, vaccines were not around in the fifties, only polio I think.
I had to laugh, my sister remembered the Chicken Pox, because we knew the local picture man he came to the house and showed her her favorite Elvis movie.
Do these give you immunity to Covid 19?
If not, why are you exempt?
Love some answers
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October 24, 2021 9:49am
- mawm
  
  4) I’m sure they are referring to vaccines for those specific items listed. There is no cross immunity from any of those illnesses with the covid virus.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:22am
- bc4
  
  There is growing evidence worldwide that the MMR vaccine provides some protection against COVID 19. I can remember reading a news article the middle of last year of this may be being a possibility. The interest at the time there was a higher risk of severe illness occurring in under 1 year olds. Also why the risk dramatically increased persons older than 55-65 year old. Both higher risk weren’t exposed to MMR.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:30am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I don’t read that as saying that you are exempt from having to get the covid vaccine if you’ve had measles, chickenpox etc. It seems to me that it’s saying you don’t have to get the measles vaccine if you’ve had measles, you don’t have to get the chickenpox vaccine if you’ve had chickenpox etc.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:44am
- cmm
  
  This site seems to be about vaccinations in general – not specifically about the CV19 vaccine.
  
  In other words (4) means if you have natural immunity to MMR then there is no need for the MMR vaccine.
  
  I don’t think this means that natural MMR immunity should be considered natural immunity to CV19.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:51am
MCos

President Erdogan of Turkey is threatened to throw 10 ambassadors, including our’s, out of the country after they wrote a letter calling for the release of a political prisoner.
Signatories besides us included seven European countries, America, Canada, but not the other five eyes partners UK & Oz.
Boot the buggers out of the five eyes I say. I thought it was one for all & all for one?
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October 24, 2021 9:51am
Loddenthinks

Has anyone else noticed the differences between how the media portrayed the cries of “F*ck Joe Biden” and the ones whipped up by the fat German overstayer at a student event where he supplied all the beer “F*ck John Key”?

On the one hand, they gleefully posted video of the drunk students who, let’s face it will do anything for a free beer, while in the case of Sleepy Joe they change the narrative and the words.

Still, it’s probably just a reflection of different journalistic practices between the US and NZ, and I’m quite sure that if the crowd had been shouting “F*ck Donald Trump!” the US media would’ve portrayed it as a supportive crowd chanting “Let’s get pumped!”
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October 24, 2021 9:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I thought it was “Let’s go, Brandon”.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:12am
  - emmess
    
    Enjoy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr_F_XQrukM
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:07am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  My favorite is Granny getting her T Shirt
  https://www.tiktok.com/@quickclips_news/video/7021236544254102789?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id7020593654150596098
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:34am
- artemisia
  
  46 getting the same treatment as 45. Difference is that one is coming from angry people.
  
  Not to worry, President Biden has the border crisis under control, since he had a quick glance at it in 2008 and understands it perfectly.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:04am
  - kowtow
    
    He said he hadn’t time to go down there , too busy pushing up the price of “gas” .
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:57am
    - Ed Snack
      
      No no no, back in 2008, he flew into El Paso airport and did a day trip to the North (away from the Border) so the press takes it approved that Joe has in fact “visited” the border.
      
      Walls are useless, so Joe just had a special one put in around his Delaware beach house, and is dismantling the Southern border wall partially completed under Trump.
      
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      October 24, 2021 9:17pm
Russ the Muss

The climate hysteria has real consequences for us down the track potentially. As a trading nation we will struggle to export outside of the Asia Pacific region due to climate or distance taxes. Imports will be tough as well. Makes you realize how important Australia will always be to us eh!
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October 24, 2021 9:55am
Paulus

Was talking to my son (45 years) this morning in Parnell and was surprised to hear that within the CBD that they consider that the rest of New Zealand is so behind in vaccinations that they are holding Auckland back from entering the Traffic Lights situation.
And I paid big money for his education and Uni.
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October 24, 2021 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You failed to school him in propaganda spiel.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:58am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see Q + A with bio ethicist Angela Ballantyne? If so what did you think?
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October 24, 2021 10:15am
- Flossie
  
  Excellent!
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:51pm
krazykiwi

Time to include a new phrase in our Covid vernacular: original antigenic sin. This relates to the suppression of the natural immune system following vaccination.

The unvaxxed become essential contributors to understanding of this*

You’re welcome 😉

*Assuming understanding is sought rather than refused.
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October 24, 2021 10:16am
- Fletch
  
  I saw this yesterday and was going to post about it but didn’t.
  
  What are N antibodies? They are antibodies that recognise a molecule inside the virus called the nucleocapsid (N). These are only produced if you have caught COVID-19 previously, and show natural immunity.
  
  Everything I read about this vaccine makes it sound more worse.
  
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  October 24, 2021 10:36am
- dcrane
  
  Might as well copy in the explanation of this amusingly named phenomenon:
  
  “Original antigenic sin, also known as antigenic imprinting or the Hoskins effect,[1] refers to the propensity of the body’s immune system to preferentially utilize immunological memory based on a previous infection when a second slightly different version of that foreign pathogen (e.g. a virus or bacterium) is encountered. This leaves the immune system “trapped” by the first response it has made to each antigen, and unable to mount potentially more effective responses during subsequent infections. Antibodies or T-cells induced during infections with the first variant of the pathogen are subject to a form of original antigenic sin, termed repertoire freeze.
  
  The phenomenon of original antigenic sin has been described in relation to influenza virus, dengue fever, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) [2] and to several other viruses.[3]
  
  This phenomenon was first described in 1960 by Thomas Francis Jr. in the article “On the Doctrine of Original Antigenic Sin”.[4][5] It is named by analogy to the theological concept of original sin. According to Francis as cited by Richard Krause:[5]”
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:05am
  - Fletch
    
    Good stuff. Thanks for the info.
    
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    October 24, 2021 11:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Goodness,
    I can think of someone who is trapped in repertoire freeze….
    and I suspect we have a very icy winter ahead of us…
    
    Much of NZ’s vaxxed immunity gain will be reaching its used-by-date by Easter 2022.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But you will be able to plan your holidays though, won’t you?
      
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      October 24, 2021 12:24pm
Stellaboxer

It’s amazing that the government releases their ridiculous traffic light shambles on the Friday before a bank holiday and the media compliantly doesn’t call them out. Emigration is calling
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October 24, 2021 10:18am
- MCos
  
  Public holidays are not called ‘bank holidays’ in NZ. That’s a UK term.
  It’s a misnomer anyway. Some banks are open on public holidays.
  Monday is Labour Day.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, tomorrow is all about the eight-hour day, and encouraging residents here who do not appreciate our holidays to consider emigrating.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:20pm
- alloytoo
  
  They also failed to give the schools any sort of warning.
  
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  October 24, 2021 8:36pm
Scooter

The downside to releasing Cindy’s latest great idea for beating covid last thing on Friday and a long weekend is that many friends and family will be discussing and fuming about it. It’s not as if releasing it earlier would have media questioning them over it. Own goal Jacinda.
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October 24, 2021 10:44am
103PapPap

If this government is bringing in apartheid by stealth (Maori Health, Three Waters et cetera), why haven’t they introduced Maori traffic lights for Maori, and ordinary traffic lights for the rest of us. That should see us free of masks pretty quickly.
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October 24, 2021 10:53am
- Yvette
  
  103PapPap – If this government is bringing in apartheid by stealth …
  
  They have bought in apartheid by stealth – already …
  
  Coronavirus: Peeni Henare explains why there’s no vaccine target for Māori, says Cabinet ‘had to draw a line in the sand’
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/10/coronavirus-peeni-henare-explains-why-there-s-no-vaccine-target-for-m-ori-says-cabinet-had-to-draw-a-line-in-the-sand.html
  
  “On every single Covid indicator, Māori are significantly behind every other ethnicity,” co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said.
  “On every single indicator, Māori are likely to take the biggest hits from a Delta outbreak; vaccinated or not.
  “The fact that the Government has been absolutely resistant to setting Māori targets right from the outset is a problem. The fact they have ignored all Māori health expert advice right from the outset is a problem.”
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/10/23/experts-urged-govt-to-be-explicit-in-goal-to-save-maori-lives-in-new-covid-framework/
  
  A dichotomy is that Labour can laud: values like whanaungatanga, kaitiakitanga and manaakitanga – the power of being connected to each other, having an ethic of care, respect in the way we progress, and taking care of things for ourselves and our mokopuna [Climate Change Commission Report, 2021 praising Te Ao Maori – the Maori world and their science] – and, at the same time, proclaim : Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated [Kelvin Davis, 2017] and now … the least vaccinated.
  
  • Now, without Maori supposedly having a target, how can any DHB know if it has reached 90 percent?
  • And isn’t even setting the DHBs a national target, over-riding DHBs jurisdictions without first getting rid of them – all 20 – as is Andrew Little’s intent?
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:47am
- septic skeptic
  
  Hone Harawira has suggested something, but maybe not quite what you are thinking..
  Level 5 for Auckland – I guess that means no leaving your house under any circumstances and hopefully the state will deliver food before you starve.
  In the mean time Maori up north get to take their time and decide whether to get a vax, wait for new vaxes or just close off their territory.
  Whatever way the government goes now they will be lucky if 20% of the population agrees that is the right thing to do. With any luck the next few months could see Labour back polling where they were under Little.
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:29pm
- Paulus
  
  Not stealth but blatant and open apartheid.
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:55pm
- Scooter
  
  They’re bringing in apartheid, communism, poverty except for those that already have assets, all wrapped up in a pretence of a so called health emergency.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:07pm
Alan Wilkinson

Australia still has journalists. A pity we don’t:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/wuhan-clan-price-paid-lab-leak-expose/
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October 24, 2021 10:55am
ABS4EVA

Firearms safety 101

TREAT every Firearm as if it is loaded

If you are in an acting situation
check the mag the breach what ever

is the ROUND a blank or not?

All you have to do is colour code the rounds?

Hollywood

Guns don’t kill

IDIOTs do whatever they have

Guns knives cars

Welcome to the World of the Plastic Spoons

Hollywood is a toxic mix of violence and psychosis
and they are high on their own supply.

They Promote violence on the streets and the Community.

Inspire Gangs and these MORONs
can not even use fire arms safely.
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October 24, 2021 10:57am
WaveyDavey

Fri 10am: Podium of Truth” Auckland needs to hit 90% before… blah, blah, blah…

Fri 4pm: Covid Response Minister Chris Hipkins told Andrew Dickens that doesn’t mean Auckland’s restrictions will remain as they are until then

Clear as mud
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October 24, 2021 10:58am
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/iUuvqg10pnU/

Let’s go Brandon.
This is where the MSM simulacrum fell apart for Americans. [4:15]
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October 24, 2021 10:58am
curry4me

https://trendingpolitics.com/articles-of-impeachment-accusing-president-biden-of-treason-have-been-introduced-in-the-house-of-representatives-knab/

Articles of Impeachment Accusing President Biden of ‘Treason’ Have Been Introduced in the House of Representatives.

President Biden has been hit with formal impeachment charges and has been accused of “treason.” The Articles of Impeachment have been filed in the House of Representatives. The impeachment charges were announced by Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) on Friday. [This won’t go anywhere, but it’s an important gesture.]
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October 24, 2021 10:59am
- MCos
  
  From anything I read about Mrs Greene she’s as thick as pigshit and a downright embarrassment.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    She is also a CrossFit enthusiast, usually a sure sign of serious derangement.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:06pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Twice as bright as either Biden or AoC, so maybe a useful legislator.
    
    Biden would be open to impeachment for failing to fulfil his presidential oath to enforce the laws for the USA, with respect to the southern border.
    
    Funny, all the left lids kept complaining about a grump not respecting the constitution (and couldn‘t vote any actual offences) but epremain so very silent about this current administrations regular unconstitutional behaviour. Just as an example, the eviction moratorium, and the vaccine enforcement through departments rather than as would be constitutional, via laws passed by Congress.
    
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    October 24, 2021 9:23pm
Paulus

Just had a laugh – its Sunday
Ardern has announced that she has concluded a Trade Deal with the UK – it has actually taken 12 years.
Now, within that deal there us a condition that the UK will not mock the All Blacks Kamate Haka.
The Telegraph has suggested that the UK Teams get themselves ready to reply – England will do Maypole Dance at the same time as the Haka.
I assume that Scotland will do a Highland Dance.
What the F…has the Haka got to do with a Trade Deal ?
Doubt will even get Maori votes.
Sad and Pathetic, but par for the course,
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October 24, 2021 11:08am
- virtualmark
  
  A key part of all trade deals is synchronising intellectual property treatments. In New Zealand’s case that includes indigenous intellectual property, such as Ka Mate.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:44am
- cmm
  
  They have to treat the little stamping war dance as “intellectual property”.
  
  Maori science, Maori inventions, Maori intellectual property.
  
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  October 24, 2021 11:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It is okay to admit you are afraid of a physical challenge, even when presented ceremonially. Personally, I always find it confronting to see a guard of honour ready to shoot – could so easily become a firing squad.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:03pm
    - SilverSurfer
      
      Be careful what you wish for.
      
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      October 24, 2021 1:24pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I wish people would stop dissing the haka as if they imagined warlike customs were somehow out of place in the modern world.
        
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        October 24, 2021 3:56pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milky, if you are frightened by a guard of honour, you could ask the guard commander for a blindfold.
      
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      October 24, 2021 8:00pm
ABS4EVA

BLACK DOG

Music to Exercise to in LOCK DOWN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceIt-dOA7Pg

THIS IS THE BEST COVER I have HEARD

PLAY LOUD
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October 24, 2021 11:30am
cmm

Are these more “Dawn Raids” that someone will be apologising for in 2075?

“Tumahai suggested more community outreach was needed, which could include having advocates go door-to-door and sit down with people in their homes to discuss vaccination.”

Surely there is a problem with advocates, non-medically trained people, giving medical advice to people?

Anyway, nobody is coming into my house to tell me what to do.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126762503/covid19-bit-of-a-push-needed-to-reach-90-per-cent-vaccination-rate
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October 24, 2021 11:46am
Stu2

Looking at some comments here perhaps some have not figured out what was done on Friday.

The govt did not formalise a 90% vax target for Maori. They realise that would be extremely difficult to achieve. And it would leave them open to endless questions about how and when it would be reached. And the answer might be never.

But they were cunning. The three DHBs with the highest concentration of vaccine eligible Maori are Northland, Lakes and Tarawhiti. And they are the lowest ranked DHBs on first doses.

So setting a 90% target for DHBs essentially sets a target for Maori in those three DHBs seeing they make up so much of the eligible population. They will have to get close to 90% to get the DHB to 90%, assuming it can be done.

Some of the other DHBs (Whanganui and Hawkes Bay are the obvious two) will need highish Maori rates to cross the line.

Wonder who came up with this scheme.
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October 24, 2021 11:57am
less than wise

I’m not that smart!!!
But I find it fascinating that the world and its leaders are willing to mandate a novel vaccine, to save the world (nz now included) with no clear safety data for any future unintended consequences??? Which in my mind seems slightly insane!!!
Then punished those who don’t go along with reduced freedoms???
Is this a health issue???? Or is there a more sinister plan going forward???

Life is pretty simple in my eyes, if its all about health, then the answer is plain to see. Build a strong health care system while you have the time!!!!
Ask your citizens to proactively prepare, look at your diet, get a little exercise, losses a bit of weight, eat better if you can, all things that a good kind and caring government should do????

Otherwise what the “@#$%” is it really about?????
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October 24, 2021 12:10pm
John Pakes

I am not sure if any one else has commented yet on the interview that Jack Tame had with Dr Shane Reti on Q + A this morning.
He spoke clearly and to the point and avoided any political posturing.
He could be quite a leader.
Stand aside Judith.
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October 24, 2021 12:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  He is very good. Probably should be deputy leader when Simon Bridges is back as leader.
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You are correct that Dr Reti has outstanding leadership qualities…and he is quietly working and advocating for the health of each and every one of us here in NZ.
  
  But as you can see… Dr Reti can display his abilities brilliantly as a deputy leader also.
  
  The question you really need to ask yourself, is why haven’t you noticed this gentleman before?
  
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  October 24, 2021 12:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I do find a little bit odd when he is constantly afforded the honorific ‘Dr Reti’ or ‘Dr Shane Reti’, when it is so often omitted when people talk or write about so many other medical doctors and holders of doctoral degrees.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:39pm
    - Taieri
      
      when it is so often omitted when people talk or write about so many other medical doctors and holders of doctoral degrees.
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      Not at all. Doctor Bloomfield is always Doctor Bloomfield. Same for Doctor Clark or Doctor Woods. Only Professor Baker is addressed as Professor Baker. Possibly because his doctorate is of a very recent vintage.
      
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      October 24, 2021 3:17pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s how I should be, but I have noticed a certain trend to emphasise the medical honorific for Shane Reti, but not for other prominent doctors.
        
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        October 24, 2021 4:01pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Isn’t it normal protocol to use “Doctor” for a medical practitioner but not usually for the holder of a doctorate degree ?
        
        For academics one can use the professional title “professor” if held.
        
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        October 24, 2021 9:27pm
  - Nookin
    
    Reti is a guy who gets things done. It may be his natural reserve, his leader’s wishes or the $50m set aside for a sycophantic media that minimises recognition.
    He can put the government on the spot, also. An example is his questioning of Little that prompted Little to say that it was not in the public interest to reveal how many cancer operations had been deferred. MSM were not interested.
    Importantly, he has no baggage, doesn’t engage in political posturing and is as close to the statesman that National needs as is available.
    The Nats had to give Judith a chance but she has made no inroads. That is not necessarily her fault. Malpas and Tova et al have been diligent in their denigration of Nat’s leadership.
    I have seen no sign that Reti is interested but he would make a difference.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:45pm
  - John Pakes
    
    Golly, put the claws away!
    I have watched him and been aware of him for a long time. This just happens to be the first time that I have commented about him on this platform.
    What makes you think that I had not noticed him before?
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:46pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      John, you should not use misandrist expressions such as ‘put the claws away’ when replying to Dr Maggy Wassilieff.
      
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      October 24, 2021 1:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What makes you think that I had not noticed him before?
      
      I didn’t really think that… I was referring to ”you”… meaning the KB reader, in general.
      
      p.s.
      No need to worry about mma’s advice.
      I don’t think he’s quite got his head around the fact that once upon a time our governments used to PAY the daughters of dunny cleaners to spend 7 years at university.
      
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      October 24, 2021 2:14pm
  - MCos
    
    I agree that Dr Reti is impressive when talking about health issues, which with covid-19 dominating the news means he should have plenty of opportunities to make his presence felt.
    However.
    He’s not a particularly charismatic sort of guy like some of the other more populist leaders, such as David Seymour and Chris Bishop who know how to come up with a quick slogan.
    
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    October 24, 2021 12:56pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Yes, maybe, but Jacinda doesn’t come up with a slogan either. She has hordes of over paid media advisers to do that for her. Even her answers to any question are prepared for her to read out. Ask her a curly one and she doesn’t answer because no one gave her the answer. She can’t even speak English “I refute that” doesn’t mean what she thinks it does. Refute means to lay out an appropriate, opposing argument to a point to prove your view is right.
      
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      October 24, 2021 3:09pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        In historical terms, it is certain that that the vast majority of political leaders could not speak English properly.
        
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        October 24, 2021 4:03pm
- Bridgenag
  
  He made alot of good sense when I heard him on the radio last week
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:13pm
  - tf78
    
    People forget the Nats work as a Team – that is their strength.
    
    Labour just shout at and ridicule people, instead of having sensible solutions to, as it seems lately, easy problems. Logics aren’t their strong point.
    
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    October 24, 2021 5:02pm
cmm

“An Auckland punter was left facing the prospect of a Labour Weekend with no money after a payment glitch when buying an online Lotto ticket.”

Huh??? The guy, who has limited means, pisses away all his money on Lotto tickets and now he has no money for the week end because of the “glitch”.

Lotto is a tax on the stupid and the vulnerable. As much as we can say that it pays for various social programmes etc there are a lot of people who really should not be doing this.

The wowsers are fast to decry problem gambling, but Lotto’s “just a bit of fun”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300437150/lotto-payment-glitch-25000-customers-affected-man-left-with-no-money-for-weekend
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October 24, 2021 12:31pm
- MCos
  
  Thanks for the sermon, Reverend
  Is it ok if I have a shandy with my Sunday dinner?
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Lotto (and pokies and the TAB) is indeed a tax on the stupid and vulnerable. I don’t know about it funding ‘social programmes’. Lotto and the charitable trusts seem to provide a lot of money for sports clubs, etc which used to do their own fundraising. So perhaps think of it as taxing the poor and vulnerable to subsidise middle-class leisure pursuits.
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:21pm
Truman lodge

Seriously what are the chances of Auckland still trapped at Xmas? I’d say better than Average.

It’s a really horrible time in Auckland and combined with having to show your papers once the lollipop system arrives.
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October 24, 2021 12:48pm
- SilverSurfer
  
  Well apparently there is still 16,000 eligible people in auckland to still get the jibby jab to make 90% first dose and seems Jacinda is talking 90% fully vaccinated before the stupid traffic light system then there is the 6 to 8 weeks between doses, then not been recognised fully vaxed until 2 weeks after that(according to phzizzer). So inconclusion Santa is going to be well and truely back in the north pole preparing for next christmas which if we are good little children in Nz we might get to parcipitate in.
  
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  October 24, 2021 1:44pm
  - Truman lodge
    
    I feel like Vaxinda has sent all Aucklanders to their rooms for being naughty. We are grounded with no pocket money. Where are the so called advocates for Auckland like fill goof with business on its knees.
    
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    October 24, 2021 2:33pm
    - marcw
      
      You won’t get fair representation and advocacy for your city when you elect partisan politicians as leaders. Goff is as red as you can get, so the Labour policy is front and center.
      
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      October 24, 2021 2:48pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Goff like Cindy and the rest of the Communist Cabal that comprises Central Govt and Mahuta’s Local Govt don’t give a shit about business. In their Communist Utopia, there is no such thing as private property or privately owned business.
        As someone else quipped in a round about sort of way on KB, you will be told what to do, when to do it and how to do it and you will be happy and caring about it.
        Most of our instructions will be passed down from the POT in Mumbo Jumbo (Te Reo) language, but that’s all part of NZ’s Great Reset.
        Get used to it Comrades, Cindy has spoken.
        
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        October 24, 2021 3:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the virus will have leaked well beyond Auckland by Christmas….
  
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  October 24, 2021 2:17pm
- tf78
  
  Judging by what Australia are doing to open up right now, Jacinda, rather than being a world wide laughing stock will cave in and let us free on (as Judith Collins suggested) 1 December 2021.
  
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  October 24, 2021 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Candace Owens. The Guardian pulled a bloody dirty trick on her and she fights back. She is suing them.
The scum media feast on fear. Candace said the US should invade Australia and said it was in jest. Dam good rant!
Just remember this shit is happening in NZ with our scum paid off media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL1JWgpyL9E
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October 24, 2021 2:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh lookie, some downticks. Must be some NZ media wanks in this blog
  
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  October 24, 2021 2:49pm
  - ABS4EVA
    
    There would be a lot of NZ media Wank Wanks
    
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    October 25, 2021 12:53am
- ABS4EVA
  
  America would be doing Australians a Favour if
  it invaded Australia
  
  THE COMMUNIST CHINESE TAKE OVER IS
  WELL UNDER WAY
  
  And Jacinda Adherns best friend
  DAN the COMMO MAN
  
  is helping to facilitate that as fast
  as possible with his own PERSONAL
  POLITICAL POLICE FORCE
  
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  October 25, 2021 12:55am
Don Beckett

If this is true, it’s very scary stuff, relating to the mRNA jabs that we are using to combat Covid 19.
https://rumble.com/vnzy9f-shocking-dr.-carrie-madej-releases-first-look-at-pfizer-vial-contents.html
Interesting about the Hydra Vulgaris, a tiny organism that is apparently in the “vaccine”, plus graphine oxide – a poison – & other stuff.(18mins)
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October 24, 2021 2:51pm
- Fletch
  
  I heard about the graphene, too.
  
  A former Pfizer employee turned whistleblower Karen Kingston [r]eveals during an interview with podcast host Stew Peters that the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccine does contain graphene oxide. “One hundred percent it is, and it’s irrefutable,” Kingston tells Peters.
  
  https://principia-scientific.com/former-pfizer-employee-confirms-poison-graphene-oxide-in-vaccine/
  
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  October 24, 2021 3:15pm
lifesgood

Long weekend, relentless drizzle in Auckland, nowhere to go, sadness and despair everywhere. When will this madness end?
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October 24, 2021 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  13th Jan 2024, instead of Nov 2023. They will push it out to the max
  
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  October 24, 2021 3:19pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That seems unduly pessimistic, Steve.
    
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    October 24, 2021 4:04pm
bythesea

Some MEPs (members of Euro parliament) gave a press conference about the illegal use of the green pass as a vaccine mandate enforcement within countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAJy9ySToPU&t=278s

Nice to hear someone from the ruling class describe clearly why it is
a) pointless – due to infectiousness of the vaccinated
b) illegal against UN and Euro human rights of persons

In fact if we were to have a two tier society, it would be recent natural immunity and everyone else.
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October 24, 2021 4:18pm
Truman lodge

I wonder if we had 100 percent vaccine uptake would that mean no vaccine certificate to go to places? I doubt it. We are entering an unknown era now. NZ has always been a test ground and I bet the UK and Denmark eventually go back into lockdown and adopt vaccine certs.
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October 24, 2021 5:01pm
Suze Wainwright

So interesting watching so many of ‘Jacinda’s people’ on 1News at 6pm, bemoaning everything they have to put up with under various iterations of lockdown. Something must be about to give…
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October 24, 2021 6:40pm
cmm

Anti-vaxxers being portrayed as insects….

This reminds me of the Tutsis being refered to as cockroaches in Rwanda.

Of course it’s fine. Nothing to worry about here.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rod-emmersons-cartoons-week-of-october-18-24/IN7CUCKUE2UGOOHI6H7DYKGDII/
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October 24, 2021 7:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And it reminds me of Jews being depicted as vermin or parasites and carriers of disease.
  
  How quickly folks forget history.
  
  the Nazis reinforced their policy of confining Jews to ghettos by portraying them as a health threat requiring quarantine, while creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by severely limiting access to food, water, and medicine to those imprisoned there.
  
  Nazi propagandists branded Jews as a biological threat to Germany. Government-sponsored racist propaganda was widely distributed denouncing Jews as “alien,” and “parasitic,” and responsible for Germany’s cultural, political, and economic “degeneration.” These words had an enormous effect, creating an environment in which persecution and violence were acceptable.
  
  https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/what-is-antisemitism/origins-of-neo-nazi-and-white-supremacist-terms-and-symbols
  
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  October 24, 2021 7:27pm
  - fernglas
    
    Maggy, when the Maori Party and other Maori health professionals are allowed to use terms such as “genocide”, or to compare the covid action plan to the Squid Games, then we are well down the road of cultural separatism. I, for one, find it incredibly offensive to be accused of complicity in genocide. I have yet to hear an actual explanation of why young Maori who have been offered the opportunity to be vaccinated (as they have if they live anywhere in the Counties Manukau DHB) have refused to do so. If it is a matter of freedom of choice, then it is not my fault; that is their right and they are entitled to exercise it. If the information on which they have based the choice is not that which health professionals would have them use, then it smacks of paternalism and condescension to somehow blame colonialism and white privilege for their choice, rather than accepting that it an outcome of their exercise of their own free will. If they choose not to be vaccinated because they are unlikely to suffer any serious illness, being young, fit and healthy, or in their child-bearing years, that is their choice, and blaming me for them exercising that freedom of choice is an exercise in scapegoating that avoids the reality, and that is that many young Maori have simply chosen not be vaccinated despite the opportunity having been given to them. Both Kelvin Davis and Peeni Henare have acknowledged as much.
    To attempt to lay responsibility for those decisions at the feet of those of a different racial grouping is dangerously irresponsible, inaccurate and racist. The risk of labelling the vaccination uptake by Maori as an outcome of a racist health policy is that those accused of racism may feel there is little to lose by becoming a racist.
    Years ago I represented a young bank robber who told the Probation Officer that every time he came home at night, his father had given him a hiding in case he had done something wrong, so he decided he may as well begin committing crimes because it would be no different. That is the risk of what may happen when you accuse people of racism. They may feel that they have been given the freedom to fulfil the expectation. It is a dangerous and dark path to travel, and I am simply appalled to see Maori leaders who should be fighting racism instead give it their implicit permission to arise.
    
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    October 24, 2021 8:06pm
fernglas

If businesses will not be allowed to access Covid support payments if they don’t have a vaccine mandate, will workers who lose their jobs because they refuse to be vaccinated be unable to access benefits? Will anybody who is in receipt of taxpayer funding be obliged to be vaccinated or lose access to that funding?
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October 24, 2021 8:17pm
ABS4EVA

You think when you are double vaxxed
it is going to normal and it is over
HAHA HAHA

This is the beginning

CINDIES Friend OPENS up and

GOES FOR POWER
MORE POWER
MORE CONTROL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Ez07gL-nE

“One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.”

In the land of Mordor where the shadows lie
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