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Warren

Many have said that Jacinda Ardern is the best Prime Minister New Zealand has had and the Labour Party Machine keep on trying to tell the population just that, but really being kind and caring doesn’t make you invincible and maybe the voter is starting to see that and there is more to being a Leader than that.
Just another example of our Prime Minister’s stupidity of being kind and caring is the millions of taxpayers dollars she gave the Mongrel Mob saying they have changed and they will educate there members of the harmful affects of drugs but does a leopard change its spots I don’t believe so. So the headlines in this morning paper proves my point with “Inside Police Investigation which exposed Mongrel Mob members drug charade.”
Then you have Co Governance , Three Waters, separate Health Ministries and many other policy by stealth that this Government and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern want to pass into law.
Our Prime Minister is a supposed nerd on Shackleton we learned when she set out to Antarctica last week we were told, but you would have to say she is also a big fan on Communism looking at the policy’s she wants to pass without listening to the majority that don’t want a bar of them.
Then comes the news the Prime Minister’s Electoral Office had broken into and damaged which I don’t condone with the statement from the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern that it is happiness frequently in Politics and it needs to stop, but isn’t this the same things that are happing to small business around New Zealand with some being hit several time and our Prime Minister and Police Commissioner use the feeble smack with a wet bus ticketand send them on there way with no consequences Anda invitation to do it again.
So while our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern might be kind and caring she has also brought policy that is dividing New Zealander’s because of her selfishness to be liked.
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October 30, 2022 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern is not and never was “kind and caring.” The title of her book, “Leading with Empathy” is a sick joke. She is a fraud and a fake and that is becoming obvious to more and more people.
  Ardern is a dangerous narcissist and a globalist shill who does not work for the people of NZ.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Just look at her vile attack on the KFC school girl when calling her a liar on the 6 O’Clock news. The MOH stated publicly the girl was correct, but the vulgar pm went there, the PM lost a lot of support over that, I am surprised at how many people have gone off the pm just over the attack on the KFC worker
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Her hideous grin when she stated clearly she was creating 2 classes of people in this interview was astonishing then and still beggars belief.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdMSRolWCyQ
      
      I knew from very early on that she was a fraud as was her “kind and caring” nonsensical persona, but she really let her mask slip in this one. Pure evil.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:42am
      - Jim
        
        The PM’s fake empathy veil certainly slipped at that horrifying moment, unforgivable.
        
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        October 30, 2022 5:30pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Clan: That clip must never be buried. That sums up our Evil Red Queen. Despicable clueless bint.
        
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        October 30, 2022 6:36pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      Best ever example of anti-kindness. Everyone locked up at home and Ardern blames a youth. As if she really believed the rules were clear and there would be 100% compliance.
      
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      October 30, 2022 11:17am
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Ardern is naïve – in fact, extremely so. Her response to every economic and social problem is the same: Spend more money.
    
    However, the last Government under Key and English showed that spending more money is not the right approach.
    
    I recently saw Labour propaganda stating that the Health Budget has been increased 40% in real terms since 2017. Despite all the money there are worse outcomes in healthcare and chronic labour shortages.
    
    A more nuanced approach would reveal that the problems in our Health Sector are not solely related to money, but a lack of leadership and focus on outcomes.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:31am
    - Jim
      
      We’ve all observed those people who set up hobby businesses on daddy’s money that lacked a credible business strategy. This approach usually leads to total loss of daddy’s investment, but only when daddy calls time on the hopeful offspring’s line of credit.
      
      This is Ardern’s approach, keep spending until things improve. Meanwhile Robbo is taxing the hell out of us all just to pay the bills.
      
      Was it the fiscally erudite Maggy T who said: the only problem with socialism, is that eventually you run out of other peoples money.
      
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      October 30, 2022 5:37pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Dead right. “Be kind” was a cruel; media narrative, designed to make the PM look caring and compassionate. However she stood by whilst families were separated, whilst husbands had to watch their wives being buried from across the road, and whilst people lost their jobs, many because they were not prepared to take a vaccination. She hasn’t visited a single dairy or liquor store owner who has been ram-raided or a victim of the drive-by shooting, yet she gave $2.75m to a life member of the Mongrel Mob for a drug rehab programme which has never provided any credible evidence of its success.
    
    I could go on , but it would only get me angry!
    
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    October 30, 2022 1:57pm
  - Jim
    
    Agreed Clan, a very succinct assessment. Judging Ardern by her recent UN speech, she presents as someone who demands control of her chosen narrative, any dissent needs to be erased.
    
    That certainly sounds more like North Korean authoritarianism than empathy to me.
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:41pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Logic impasse there Warren. The comment about the electoral office in no way supports ram raids. So too education on the effects of drugs doesn’t support clandestine drug dealing. You’ll work it out one day but you may need help with your obsession with bad-mouthing the PM. Withdrawing yourself from others with the same disorder might help.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:36am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Brian, does the downtick count give you a clue about how many people think you are on the wrong track with your obsession with our useless PM?
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:02am
    - igm
      
      “Birds of a feather” . . . befits the miscreant’s comment.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Stating that Ardern is an inept, narcissistic fraud isn’t “bad-mouthing”. It’s accurate observation. She’s a complete disaster.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She has failed at every single issue, look at the clean car rebate policy, they were warned this would not be cost neutral, and what happened this week? That’s right, only one third has been raised to cover the cost, so the bloody tax payer has too
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:30am
    - Drone
      
      In your and many others eyes she may be a disaster but as they say SHE IS STILL IN CHARGE..
      
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      October 30, 2022 3:15pm
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Drone she has never been in charge.
        
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        October 30, 2022 7:46pm
  - Jim
    
    Brian, with respect to your world view perhaps you can answer a simple question I posed in a previous post:
    Q. Name one thing in NZ that has measurably improved since Ardern took power in 2017?
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:45pm
    - Jim
      
      Clearly not an easy question to answer.
      
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      October 31, 2022 4:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ardern will go down as the worst pm in our history by a long way
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:21am
  - igm
    
    And rapidly becoming the most detested as well.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Absolutely. Nobody comes close. She’s the Milli Vanilli of politics. A total fraud.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:43am
- SpencerArnold
  
  Shackelton led by example and kept the malcontents close; I don’t think Jacinda was even in the room when He Pua Pua was formulated. I hate to say it, but this sort of thing would not have happened under Helen.
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, but Jacinda got stuck on the ice, too.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:11pm
  - Bob
    
    not have happened under Helen…..!
    HELEN laid the foundations for these very ‘happenings’; previous Labour leaders began the cultivation of the naive minds which are now allowing these ‘happenings’ to occur.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:53pm
- An Old Kiwi
  
  “Many”??? Really, are there “many” people who still think that she is “kind & caring”???
  This is the women who -smiled- as she publicly confirmed that she was creating two classes of NZers by ostracising those who could not get her jab. (A jab, BTW, which the Pfizer CEO has just publicly admitted was not tested for lower transmission rates – It doesn’t BTW, & there hasn’t been enough time to test long term safety)
  
  Any sign that she might be “kind & caring” (eg after the mosque shootings) – were just for show. Stuff to put on her CV to get a UN job. But since then we’ve seen the real her. It is focused on pure hard ideology & ignores what happens to us
  
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  October 30, 2022 2:11pm
  - Jim
    
    Yep certainly very skilled at short term performative empathy.
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:49pm
O C Smith

All the effort being undertaken to reduce CO2 levels are a complete waste of time unless the increased use of nuclear generation is a major part of the mix. This would give rise to include hydrogen into the mix.
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October 30, 2022 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There’s that word again. “Nuclear”
  50 Green nutters just rang the anxiety helpline.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:25am
  - O C Smith
    
    I will keep repeating it (NUCLEAR) until over 50% of heads are nodding
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:47am
  - Trev
    
    Many European Greens support nuclear power as a green option and advocate for it. Not the case here in NZ but it should be looked at more closely along with GM. Why do NZ Greens give the impression they are more about impeding economic development than furthering improvements to the environment.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:41pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  All the effort being undertaken to reduce CO2 levels are a complete waste of time.
  FIFY.
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:39am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Deliberately holding life essentials (energy, food, liberty) to ransom is 101 Totalitarianism. This, not ‘saving the planet’ is the CO2 reduction end-game although plenty of useful idiots have been enlisted to push the eco-lie.
    
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    October 30, 2022 1:34pm
    - Jim
      
      Yep kk, I’m sure Orwell would consider it a stroke of elite neo liberal genius, a perpetual war on climate control (to maintain economic servitude of the proletariat).
      
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      October 30, 2022 3:56pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A decade of extremely expensive political initiatives and policies sees non-hydro renewables (wind and solar) now up to a few percent of global energy consumption, similar to nuclear that has had almost no western investment for decades. It would take many many decades to replace oil with PV, and we may not have the mineral reserves needed. Nuclear could be scaled much faster and cheaper.
  
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  October 30, 2022 12:54pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I read a story the other day that said we have ‘invested’ around ~$4Tn in ruinables so far, and the share of energy produced by FF has dropped a massive 1%. It may not be as much as that after Europe get around to firing up their coal stations again.
    I would assume that it was the easy 1% we removed, so the cost of going 100% ruinable would be truly magnificent.
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:36pm
Philip Hart

This is why beat police currently hate their bosses

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300724005/a-simple-hello-could-help-tackle-retail-crime-says-new-police-unit
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October 30, 2022 8:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Police on the Beat is a visual deterrent, especially in pairs.
  I see it the same as seeing an Alaskan US Marshal with 3 holstered handguns
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:34am
  - Colville
    
    3 actual pistols on one human?
    Did someone mention they are reloadable?
    I can understand a primary and a ankle gun but 3 is just a case of a bloke with a very small dick!
    
    (edited from ” very small duck “which was kinda funny but missed the point!)
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      3. One on the right, one on the left (handle facing forward) and one at the back.
      If you are in a tight, dangerous situation, I can see the need. One clip is emptied, no time to reload, drop the gun and get another. I have seen the guns, and even talked to the guy in Fairbanks. This is Alaska – The Last Frontier. It is not Hollywood.
      A different World up there, I doubt the Ranger has small dick syndrome.
      Fairbanks – we were in a leathergoods shop, hairpin things, wallets, book covers.
      I spied a holster so I asked the owner how many out in the street would be carrying? She said ‘about 85%. Fuck! But this is Fairbanks, wild place.
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:53pm
    - I remember when
      
      A “very small duck” could certainly be a danger if you were a police officer.
      
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      October 30, 2022 2:17pm
- backster
  
  A simple Hullo Hullo Hullo with a dose of pepper spray or a zap with a tazer might be more effective. He sounds just like Coster.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pepper spray or a tazer will never stop a drunken meth head or crack head
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What ever happened to the boot up the ass by the cops and told to bugger off home
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That was in the 60s and 70s.
      Not allowed now, some snowflakes gave them “rights”
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:55pm
    - I remember when
      
      Laws and Parents!!
      
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      October 30, 2022 2:18pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  So when the masked people rush in en-masse with hammers and tomahawks in their hands, and a door-greeter says ‘Hello’, the thieves might change their plans?
  
  Even the fact it is a group, and not an individual, means they are ignoring the peer-influence part of this. Seems to be equating a tentative solo shop-lifter entering a premises to the Smash and Grab group raids around ’empathy’ having a potential influence on what transpires.
  Also seems a shade of victim blaming, because the shop owners weren’t friendly enough….
  
  The police spokesperson who says this, and apparently believes it, needs a long running kick hard up the arse to jolt his brain.
  Utter clowns. They are part of the problem.
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:45am
- Jim
  
  Yep pure genius isn’t it!
  
  So any Countdown owner just needs to instruct their (impotent) security guard to observe the car park and identify the known (or suspect) thieves, and then say “welcome to Countdown, the store shareholders value your custom – have a nice day”
  
  Then they will either turn tail and go elsewhere, or relent and pay the $1500 for the intended trolley load. Genius, shoplifting fixed right there.
  
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  October 30, 2022 4:04pm
krazykiwi

True. The opposite is false.

Left. The opposite is right.

Up. The opposite is down.

Safe and Effective. The opposite is
Oxford Study Finds Negative Vaccine Effectiveness Against Covid Hospitalisation and Death.

Read it. Really, it is alarming.

They lied. The MSM, the playing God technocrats, the billionaire faux-philanthropists all lied. At best medical professionals cowered in disgraceful silence. At worst they incinerated their hippocratic oath.

If you’ve taken the vaxx, then you were conned, hoodwinked, and psychologically manipulated. Your immune system is now compromised. Yours, and 5 billion more.

Angry yet?

I hope so.

Fixing this and polite nonchalance are mutually exclusive.
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October 30, 2022 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Interesting.
  
  I have only read the abstract of the paper. It states that the negative efficacy applies to the AstraZeneca vaccine. For the Pfizer vaccine the study concludes that the vaccine is effective at preventing hospitalisations and deaths up to the end of the study at day 98.
  
  Am I reading that correctly? Even so, the conclusion that any of the vaccines actually increases the likelihood of hospitalisations and death from Covid is disturbing.
  
  https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ije/dyac199/6770060
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:25am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I have not yet read the full paper, but this analysis caught my eye. Note the observation:
    
    This new peer-reviewed study shows how the first dose of both the Astra Zeneca and Pfizer vaccines initially provides some protection, but after 60-70 days, the risk of serious illness and death is higher than for the unvaccinated. For Astra Zeneca, the second dose further increases this difference, while Pfizer narrows it slightly; the comparison is positive compared to those who received the first dose, but still negative compared to the unvaccinated.
    Those results mark a turning point. It has already been clearly demonstrated how the vaccines increase the risk of infection. However, it is still firmly claimed that they provide safe protection against serious illness and death. But now that last straw is gone: Whichever standard we go by, the vaccines are not only useless; they are worse than nothing.
    
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    October 30, 2022 8:33am
    - Jim
      
      Not exactly worse than nothing, it’s good news if you’re a merciless big pharma share holder.
      
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      October 30, 2022 4:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Paper states that the 2nd shot of the Pfizer Vaccine affords protection against hospitalizations and death for at least 98 days, but there seems to be an upward trend in the graph… hinting that the efficacy is beginning to wane.
    
    What the paper doesn’t disclose is the gap between vax 1 and vax 2 that was employed in this study.
    
    The first Pfizer vax seems to afford protection for 70 days.
    
    NZ varied the recommended time between vax1 and vax2 when they introduced work-place mandates.
    
    I only had a 3 weeks gap between Vax 1 & 2.
    
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    October 30, 2022 8:46am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Thanks for that.
      
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      October 30, 2022 8:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If “any” Vaccine only gives you protection for 70 days, it is “not” a Vaccine.
      It is a socialist control tool medication
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What is clear and obvious is that there are clearly beyond ample alarming warning signs that these things not only don’t work, but they are dangerous. At the very least the jabbing programme should be suspended instantly while serious reviews are undertaken.
    Meanwhile in psycho Brenda’s NZ, they promote these jabs as a Halloween party.
    
    https://t.me/hearourvoicesnz/1508
    
    These people are very, very dangerous.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:19am
- Aunty
  
  Fake interpretation of the science.
  
  Here is what the authors of the paper themselves have to say in the discussion
  
  “We believe that the most likely explanation for negative VE/rVE is that vaccination caused recipients to believe they were protected, leading them to change their behaviour in ways that increase their chance of contracting the infection. These changes in behaviours should initially have been outweighed by the protection offered by the immune response stimulated by the vaccine, but as time progressed the protection is likely to have diminished such that the impact of behavioural changes may have become dominant. ”
  
  Read the actual paper for yourselves. Don’t rely on whack-jobs and nutters to interpret and twist it for you.
  
  https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ije/dyac199/6770060?login=false
  
  By the way, when you read it you should pay particular attention to the section in the discussion from the authors where they discuss the limitations of their study which uses new methodologies. Plenty of room for artefacts in that.
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You lost me at “the most likely explanation”. Stretching for excuses to explain this complete failure apparently has no limits.
    There is more than enough alarming empirical data to have this experiment shut down immediately.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “We believe that the most likely explanation
    
    They can believe what they want… but it’s not science if they can’t produce some evidence for their belief.
    
    They fail to discuss the possibility that the vaccines compromised the health of those who ended up in hospital or died.
    
    Yep, I looked at the limitations of their study…..
    Don’t you think it would have been advisable for the authorities to have told us all about the limitations of the Pfizer vaccine trials?
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:34am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Your last question is spot on. The most generous interpretation is that the vaccine does not work very well. At all. Yet Jacinda told us that it worked so well that anyone who did not take it was a danger to the community.
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:47am
  - alloytoo
    
    So people foolishly believed that the “vaccine” would work, ike the past century of childhood vaccines worked, IE by mostly preventing disease.
    
    They then foolishly returned to life as normal.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:53am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s what Aunty would have you believe. But that entity believes Ardern is “kind and caring” and supports every inane comment she has ever made. There are plenty to choose from in that regard.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:22am
  - glowworm
    
    “Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.”
    
    – Friedrich Nietzsche
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:06am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That sums up so many people I know in this country. They are living in delusional bubble that they won’t let any facts interrupt. Denial is not a good long term strategy for your mental health.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:25am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Read the actual paper for yourselves.”
    
    Agreed. That’s what I recommend.
    
    “Don’t rely on whack-jobs and nutters to interpret and twist it for you.”
    
    Still foaming, Aunty? You remain impervious to facts that challenge your alarmist, curtain-twitching tendencies. Open your eyes.
    
    oh, and this gem
    “Fake interpretation of the science”
    
    Interpretations are something to be agreed with, or disagreed with on some evidential basis. It is axiomatic that no interpretation can be ‘fake’.
    
    I won’t bother fisking your invocation of The Science™. Pearls. Swine.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:24am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “..the discussion from the authors where they discuss the limitations of their study which uses new methodologies.”
    
    Would that the makers of the faux-vaccines had admitted the limitations of their own new methodologies. Desperate governments seeking a way out of a manufactured crisis agreed to look the other way and place their populations at risk in doing so.
    
    Safe and effective? Won’t get sick and die with the jab? Won’t pass it on to others? Do it for others if not yourself, you selfish bastards?
    
    Yeah nah.
    
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    October 30, 2022 11:26am
  - Jim
    
    So that theory of behavioural modifications would displace the efficacy of face masks (aka the science) which were still mandated in public spaces (unless you were sitting down and eating a scotch egg etc lol)
    
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    October 30, 2022 4:13pm
  - Hebe123
    
    Everyone I know who didn’t have the vax made that decision bc they were not scared of catching covid. So they didn’t change their behaviour significantly or start hiding at home. Whereas those that had the vax presumably were concerned.
    
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    October 30, 2022 7:49pm
- wairarapapaul
  
  Is it practicable and possible to take a class action against the government?
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They lied. That means Jaspinda lied to her team of 5 million.
  Jaspinda is back in town after running to Antarctica last week, maybe the NZ media could ask her to comment tomorrow?
  Fat chance. There are many other questions she is avoiding. Parliament is in session next week. Where will Jasinda run to? Oma Rapeti Oma Rapeti
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:59am
- TS Child
  
  I think it will take a while for the dust to settle on the data. But the bottom, inescapable, line is that the mandates were stupid. When people make their own decisions, they cope with poor outcomes better. Noting it is reasonable to expect vaccines will be benign, many of us had no choice if we needed to keep working. The mandates were both spineless and vicious.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:18am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Oh, the irony when one anon quotes another anon. After which it claims everyone was “conned, hoodwinked and psychologically manipulated.”
  From the moment the first “anon” claimed to go to cafes to eavesdrop on conversations and continued to persevere with the claim it was on 3 boards as the reason for having to hide its identity its thin ice of credibility was broken. That person couldn’t speak publicly it needed to hide in order to mock others, it couldn’t front a meeting arguing its case, it couldn’t take a political or public health position to speak out from. All they could do was hide and accuse others of being conned.
  It’s boring as shit really.
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:09am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Morning Brian.
    
    You still remind me of that dog.
    
    Have a nice day 🙂
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:31am
    - glowworm
      
      [Read the rules – unhelpful abusive comments not welcome here thanks. mod.]
      
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      October 30, 2022 11:00am
      - glowworm
        
        Apologies. But I find Brian’s post offensive refering to another poster as “it”. Which is why I reported his post.
        
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        October 30, 2022 11:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Why do you imagine, even for a moment, that a comment under your own name is in any way more legitimate or worthy than one posted anonymously?
    
    I admit, if I was a double killer with an extensive criminal history and a reputation so low it would be difficult to imagine it going any lower, I’d probably be less concerned about posting under my own name too. I’d literally have nothing to lose.
    
    Thankfully, that’s not the situation for me or (I assume) the vast majority of Kiwibloggers, but there are very good reasons why we may wish to keep our identity hidden from people with a track record of murder and nothing left to lose. I’m sure you understand.
    
    It doesn’t make anyone’s comments less valid.
    
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    October 30, 2022 11:34am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Exactly, Lodden. I put up with all sorts arriving at our apartment door, but the prospect of Brian appearing brandishing weapons and an evidently foul temper makes me grateful for my anonymity.
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:26pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I read the article the Pfiza vaccine comes out harmless but useless so long as the second dose is taken but the AstraZeneca vaccine is net harmful.
  
  The argument that vaxed people took more risks would surely be testable by comparing the rates of hospitalisation or death per infection.
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:16am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Here is plenty of evidence that the COVID vaccines are not “safe and effective.” Not even close. They are the most deadly vaccines we’ve ever produced.
    
    Here’s a high level collection of some of the most compelling pieces of evidence I’ve seen to date. This is not an exhaustive list, but just the key pieces of data that are impossible to explain if the vaccines are safe and effective.
    
    I’ve divided the collection into sections and I’ve tried to limit each section to the most compelling data points. So don’t be disappointed if your favorite item isn’t mentioned in this article; I wanted to keep it short enough to be read..
    
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-evidence
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There is a lot going on there. Seems nobody wants to see those graphs, and nobody wants to talk about them.
      
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      October 30, 2022 11:45am
  - Colville
    
    AW.
    I believe that the extra risk taking (or less care) hypothesis is well proven.
    I know as a back country hunter there are many people doing things now they would have never dreamed of 20 years ago but now they have electronics to hopefully get them out of the shit if it goes badly.
    I am going on a week’s walk in December where I will hopefully not see a single person but I will be carrying a PLB and a sat phone as arse cover 😎
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:12pm
    - Swifty
      
      Good man Colville.
      
      Have a great trip.
      
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      October 30, 2022 12:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How are you swifty?
        Up & about?
        
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        October 30, 2022 3:27pm
      - Swifty
        
        Slowly getting there thanks Maggy.
        
        Surgery was now 10 days ago and I’m much more mobile now but pain remains a constant presence. This is being actively managed.
        
        Another week or two should see me back to my old self, with luck.
        
        Many thanks again for the enquiry.
        
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        October 30, 2022 7:21pm
Yvette

Unhinged – the “sword” attack on Ardern’s Auckland office
■ On Thursday, Labour Minister Willie Jackson condemned the attack online, saying there has been a “violent change of political debate” in New Zealand from “normal and vigorous disagreement” to “unhinged conspiracy theories”.
He urged Kiwis to reach out to family and friends who may have convinced themselves of some “crazy secret conspiracy”.

■ Jacinda Ardern has condemned the sword attack on her office this week but said such incidents are not uncommon and have been “fairly consistent” over the past couple of years.

Does Jacinda’s ’fairly consistent’ over the past couple of years make Willie Jackson’s ’violent change of political debate’ in New Zealand from ‘normal and vigorous disagreement’ to ‘unhinged conspiracy theories’ sound a little bit like an agenda, if not even yet an ‘unhinged conspiracy theory’?

■ Labour leader Jacinda Ardern is claiming her party has been an “underdog” in the Hamilton West seat in “recent times” and expects the upcoming by-election to be “tough”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/jacinda-ardern-claims-labour-s-been-the-underdog-in-hamilton-west-by-election-will-be-tough.html

Indian mystic / teacher Sadhguru has said –
When unpleasant things happen in our lives, we can become either wise or wounded – that is our choice
– which echoes Victor Frankle, Austrian psychiatrist and Holocaust survivor, author of “Man’s Search For Meaning”, who has said –
“Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way”

Jacinda has already laid the circumstances of Labour’s wounded defeat in the Hamilton West seat.

And, is Willie Jackson’s agenda to lay the circumstances for his He Puapua consultation and “co-governance” report-back to Cabinet, or laying some of the circumstances (simple bloody excuse) why Jacinda may drop the whole “co-governance” thing and kick it out of the ballpark (cot) like she did with Capital Gains Tax – “not in my lunchtime”

Is Willie Jackson setting up a “wounded” scenario – like his leader?
Or is this just an “unhinged conspiracy theory” about some “crazy secret conspiracy”?
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October 30, 2022 8:09am
- alloytoo
  
  The more Labour bleats about being victims, the more I think these bizarre instances (sword) are false flag operations.
  
  If these bizarre instances are genuine, then they unfortunately reflect of the desperation people are feeling and the failure of this government to tackle genuine mental health issues.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:18am
- graham
  
  As I have previously posted here and here, this is not a “change”, it is not something new. It’s not even something that has been happening for just “the past couple of years”.
  
  Political violence has been happening in New Zealand society for many years, it has been directed against politicians on all sides of the political spectrum, and for Mr Jackson to suggest that this is some sort of new and frightening era of political violence spurred on by whacko conspiracy theories is just utter nonsense. 10 minutes on Google would show him that.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:23am
  - Spoff
    
    The only new thing is the blatant abnegation of basic Human rights by Government and for Government.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:14am
- RockyJ
  
  The attack on her office or something similar will probably be her Reichstag fire opportunity
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You lost me at “the most likely explanation”. Stretching for excuses to explain this complete failure apparently has no limits.
  There is more than enough alarming empirical data to have this experiment shut down immediately.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As per usual, he doesn’t specify what the “conspiracy theories” are. It’s the same when they bleat about “misinformation”. It’s pure gaslighting.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I bet Jackson would not have opened his mouth if the crazed woman was a Māori, to me this attack was a set up while Ardern was away, garnering sympathy before Ham West, it might sound stupid, but a sword lying on the ground, and a suggestion of a bomb when no bomb was set off is very suspicious, why would a woman carry a samuri sword and then just leave on the ground, especially when everyone knew as usual the PM was absent from the country
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:40am
RockyJ

Shout out to all Kiwibloggers to get stuck into the plan to destroy democracy in local government by submitting on the Review into the Future for Local Government. https://submissions.futureforlocalgovernment.govt.nz/have-your-say/submissions-to-the-review-into-the-future-for/

I did. Be warned. It is about 15 pages of questions with about ten thousand words of explanation per page. Phrases like “inclusive, collaborative, social cohesion” and sentences in Te Reo make it circular and repetitive. It’s a wet day, have some fun.

Far be it for me to tell you how to respond but here are some guidelines;
1. I self identified as Maori. Better chance for my submission to be noticed.
2. I ticked every box “strongly oppose”
3. Phrases like “this is apartheid, I don’t understand what you mean, why would a pagan religion be relevant and bullshit” may be helpful.
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October 30, 2022 8:12am
- pdm
  
  I did it a couple of weeks ago. I was other ethnic grouop followed by New Zealander!!.
  
  Did not quite go s far as you Rocky but either strongly opposed or opposed any lefty rubbish.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:28am
- Random T Person
  
  LOL Rocky sorry bro but your submissions will go straight into the bin. Remember the submissions on 3 waters I think, from Taxpayers Union, were openly disregarded. Yours might be ‘acknowledged’ before being binned, but it will be binned. The agenda is set by those setting the agenda, not by rivers of filth.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:34am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Aren’t all religions a form of “paganism”?It is not as if any religion can actually prove the existence of God. As all of them state, they are based on belief.
  We are of the view that monotheistic religions are superior, but why? Presumably on the basis that they require individual reflection of one’s own ethics.
  We generally regard the Greeks and Roman’s as quite sophisticated, but their religions were based on the belief of a pantheon of gods who could have children with human beings.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:38am
  - RockyJ
    
    Fair point. Better comment would be “why would religion be relevant?”
    It always amuses me when woke progressives, who profess to be atheist or agnostic, bow down in reverence when a karakia is performed
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:52am
  - Yvette
    
    Wayne Mapp, with respect, it is not a question of one religion versus any other, but rather that no religion be a consideration of either general government or local government.
    It also includes the nonsense that one ethnic group has a greater “attachment to the land” or is more profoundly possessed of spirituality than others.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:54am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Fair point about the role of religion. My comment was really directed at the use of the word “paganism” which was clearly used in a denigrating way.
      
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      October 30, 2022 11:19am
      - Don Beckett
        
        It may be of interest to you that the Greek Philosophers under Aristotle proved the existence philosophically of the existence of ONE supreme God.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:50pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Don Beckett, respectfully, bollocks.
        
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        October 30, 2022 1:09pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        @ Nothing Left.
        Try this then.
        https://heptapolis.com/aristotles-concept-god
        
        Just one example – many more.
        
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        October 30, 2022 4:29pm
      - Dave
        
        Don @ 4.29, I followed your link and read in the second paragraph this sentence, This argument is not taken seriously today since most of its premises have been rejected by modern science, which leads me to think that your ‘proved the existence philosophically’ is the same as my ‘made stuff up without evidence’.
        
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        October 30, 2022 5:29pm
    - Jack5
      
      Wayne Mapp’s … their religions were based on the belief of a pantheon of gods who could have children with human beings …
      
      With animals, too, or have sex as animals.
      
      Zeus turning into a swan to rape Leda.
      
      Pan, who was half-goat, raped every sort of thing.
      
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      October 30, 2022 12:22pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘secular
    adjective
    UK /ˈsek.jə.lər/ US /ˈsek.jə.lɚ/
    
    not having any connection with religion’
    
    This is how we are supposed to be. Not weaving religious nonsense into our Democratic system.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:02am
  - RockyJ
    
    Also interesting point about Greek gods. My theory is that the ancient Greeks had a strong belief in the value of the individual and the ability of the individual to act on the world. This is why they invented democracy.
    
    This would also have been associated with their view of their gods as flawed. More submissive, collective societies view their gods as all powerful.
    
    That is just my own thesis.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:13am
    - rangitoto
      
      The Greeks did challenge their societies ideas about gods. Epicurus: “God, he says, either wishes to take away evils, and is unable; or He is able, and is unwilling; or He is neither willing nor able, or He is both willing and able. If He is willing and is unable, He is feeble, which is not in accordance with the character of God; if He is able and unwilling, He is envious, which is equally at variance with God; if He is neither willing nor able, He is both envious and feeble, and therefore not God; if He is both willing and able, which alone is suitable to God, from what source then are evils? Or why does He not remove them? “
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:43pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
    
    So there is Jesus or there is paganism.
    
    All religions require faith ie belief in the unseen. That is why the theory of evolution is a religious belief not science.
    
    As such, you would be correct if you said all religions except Christianity are a form of paganism.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:15am
    - Swifty
      
      Sorry, you’ve lost me.
      
      Why is the theory of evolution a religious belief exactly?
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:51am
      - Clownworld
        
        Evolution requires belief in a hypothesis and a theory which advocates that something came out of nothing. That the universe didn’t exist then did somehow. That life came out of non-life.
        
        It is a theory, science is simply testing things that can be observed and repeated to test a hypothesis. Evolution ( in particular Macro evolution) is not repeatable so is difficult to prove or disprove. It then becomes a matter of believing it or not. If you believe evolution you can become religious about it, to the point of discrediting all other possibilities including supernatural. This is then a humanistic religion.
        
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        October 30, 2022 10:16pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Jesus reportedly making a claim doesn’t address the question at all. BTW Evolution is a scientific theory because it supported by a vast amount of empirical evidence and is testable.
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:46pm
      - An Old Kiwi
        
        Nope it isn’t.
        1. What we observe is that mutations die etc, not lead to better things. (eg they result in miscarriages & Downs Syndrome, not in a new super species.)
        2. The fossil record does not back up evolution. Evolution is basically a lot of trial & error resulting in eventually a “good” result. If you’ve ever watched a cook trying to come up with a new recipe you’ll notice that there are lots of wrong dishes produced, until the right one is found. If evolution is true, we should see lots of “wrong” (& intermediate) creatures – but we don’t. Instead, we see only fully functioning animals (eg eyes which work & birds with complete egg laying physiology).
        
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        October 31, 2022 1:01pm
  - Flossie
    
    Wasn’t JC himself a result of a god having a child with a human (Mary)?
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:58am
    - NothingLeft
      
      By today’s standards: Deity rape of a (barely) teenage girl
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:15pm
    - Spoff
      
      In the King James version, JC declared categorically (to Pilate) that he was the “Son of Man.
      The Schofield Bible differs. Interesting to trace the origins of the Schofield Bible.
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:47pm
    - rangitoto
      
      It is said the H in Jesus H Christ stands for Haploid :).
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:48pm
  - Sol Invictus
    
    But there was only one supreme god in the later empire – Sol Invictus, the Unconquered Sun. How much better the world would be if so many had not strayed from the one, true path!
    
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    October 30, 2022 7:10pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Well, I did it.
  Took awhile but I encourage others to do it.
  Its quite scary what they are proposing.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:59am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Whew, was a bit of a marathon but done. There were actually a few sensible suggestions in there, to my surprise.
  
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  October 30, 2022 12:46pm
- Mike H S
  
  I have completed the Questionnaire/survey. I didn’t reply Strongly disagree to all but certainly most.
  
  The part that really made me sit up was the final bit you had to “understand”.
  
  “By ticking this box, I understand that my submission will be moderated by the Review into the Future for Local Government and information that does not meet the moderation requirements will be redacted.”
  
  In other words, if we don’t like what you say we will bin it and take no notice.
  
  Standard for this government, sadly.
  
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  October 30, 2022 2:17pm
  - Drone
    
    I started to read it and struggled with the endless plain English language in a foreign language, where I had to regularly refer to google for a translation.. If the week is quiet I will try to get back to it. It seems to me that it is simply a justification of maorification on a grand scale under the guise of a report written by maori and consulted with no one.
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:42pm
- Dave
  
  Thanks, RockyJ, for drawing our attention to this assault on efficient, representative, accountable local government. All KBers should read it and weep, then respond, though you’ll need to set aside some time.
  
  My final, rather restrained comment in my submission on the draft report was, “This report is an anti-democratic, unhistorical, racist self-aggrandising abomination!”
  
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  October 30, 2022 4:13pm
- Sol Invictus
  
  Thanks for posting this. I waded through and was appalled by the almost complete focus on imposing ever-greater Maori influence. My final comments were:
  “The race-based and undemocratic nature of many of these questions and commentary are unacceptable to those amongst us who genuinely believe in democracy, fundamentally a western philospohy and tradition. For me not an issue, as I’ve already decided to move to Austalia to escape the dreadful changes imposed on New Zealand by this government and its fellow travellers – but for those who have little choice but to remain I can foresee severe problems ahead unless New Zealand changes course.”
  
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  October 30, 2022 7:07pm
kevn

@kk… ‘They’ are trying to clean out GB News now by stifling corporate advertising.
What is the motivation? Virtual self harming actions.
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October 30, 2022 8:12am
- Philview
  
  TVNZ News reported last night about advertisers walking away from Twitter. I like most of the TVNZ reporters but they are politically controlled in all they report. One day I hope one of them does an expose book of what happened during the Ardern years.
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:34am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    The Lefts heads have exploded now Musk owns Twitter. They are going to have face Free Speech a concept they despise. They are going to have to face debate and questioning rather than shutting down anyone who disagreed with them.
    Our PM and her regime dont agree with Free Speech. We know that. Anyone who disgrees us accused of misinfromation or disinformation. The Ardern regime are Orwellian morons.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:30am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Wow the left might have to debate some of their ides with actual evidence.
      
      Should be interesting.
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:47am
    - glowworm
      
      Related tweet
      
      https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1586458203851608065
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:29am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I heard the pathetic man child Tame say Musk will lose advertising because certain people might get their accounts back, it’s sicken that turd says that, because Twitter lost lots of advertising spend because they banned people over free speech
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:47am
  - Random T Person
    
    Do they not ever consider that other advertisers might step in and take their place?
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:34am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They lost advertising because the hit on fee speech
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    On the phone, “Hello, this is Elon Musk”
    “I have been waiting for your call” The Don.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The Don has his own platform, he has stated he would never return, truth social is his platform
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I know about Truth Social, but it is USA atm. I would join if I could.
        Trump said he will not return to Twitter. But post that he has said Twitter is now in sane hands.
        I am banking he will return, he has a lot of followers and there is an Election in 2024.
        His fans want him back.
        
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        October 30, 2022 11:53am
  - Ra Henare
    
    one swallow doesn’t make a summer.
    
    The only official comment I have seen was General Motors? suspending their account.
    
    Like many advertisers it would be prudent to stand back and let the smoke clear before resuming advertising.
    
    They(advertisers) are aware of news cycles and will wait for this hilarity to pass, then they will resume.
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Motivation ?
  
  To create a single source of truth .
  
  ” Jessica , then Tova”
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:14am
Mike H S

Top headline in the Telegraph today. “The Disastrous Legacy Left by the Pandemic as Excess Deaths Overtake Covid Deaths.”

At last, the world is starting to wake up to the fact that a total focus on Covid to the detriment of all other diseases, would eventually lead to excess deaths from the likes of cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc as these diseases were not treated during Covid.

It is sad to see that our MSM is of such poor quality (or just bought off) that it is unable to understand what should be pointed out to the NZ population.
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October 30, 2022 8:23am
- Mike H S
  
  PS The most telling comment in the article is this. “Prof Banerjee fears that the indirect effects of the pandemic will turn out to be greater than the harm from Covid itself, and that it is vital for future preparedness planning to take into account long-term outcomes.”
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    We used to have pandemic preparedness plans. We had them for decades as did most countries. They were updated in NZ in 2017. They were unceremoniously dumped by Ardern with zero explanation why.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:51am
    - Master Mariner
      
      That is the only question I really want explained.
      All will be revealed if done so.
      I think we already know the answer on that.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:08am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MM – have a read through this post, you might find there are numerous other questions that really do demand answers. There are numerous hyperlinks taking you to supporting information.
        
        Why did the media and government relentlessly stoke public fear and anxiety?
        
        Why were millions spent on behavioral management teams?
        
        How did the phrase “the new normal” emerge within the first weeks of the pandemic?
        
        Was sustained psychological manipulation utilized to create fear and coerce the public?
        
        Were Covid symptoms genuinely unique or were we being conditioned to believe there was a new disease?
        
        Were statistics about Covid deathsbeing manipulated to create the perception of a crisis?
        
        Were lockdowns about protection or social control?
        
        Did lockdowns reduce deaths or cause increased mortality?
        
        Was there ever any evidence for ”asymptomatic spread” or was this overstated to frighten the public?
        
        How did we go from “two weeks to flatten the curve” to permanent emergency “laws?
        
        https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/28/covid-19-a-universe-of-questions-in-a-time-of-universal-deceit/
        
        If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized. If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance — you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.
        Ian Watson
        
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        October 30, 2022 11:13am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “dumped by Ardern with zero explanation why”
      
      Not so. She told us why. She received a panicky phone call from a mysterious overseas “friend”. Because, the science. Or something.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:41am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        If her “friend” was an “expert” then that’s perfectly fine……//
        
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        October 30, 2022 10:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Two flaky lefties that she worked with in London I recall.
        ‘You must shut NZ down, it is the only way’ or something.
        The only way for what?
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:05pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Jaxxie’s friends were certainly experts in Covid, in that they were as expert in Covid as any of the other Covid experts that she relied upon across the pandemic.
        
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        October 30, 2022 2:44pm
    - mawm
      
      Clan – all the liberal Western democracies ditched their pandemic plans and adopted all the unproven non-pharmaceutical measures (and language used). Some of those measures were known beforehand to either not work or to be counterproductive. The WHO guides countries as to what to include in pandemic plans and as such they are all very similar.
      
      I wonder if Jacinda’s friend was Billy Goats? There was a story about him flying in to Wellington at about the start of the pandemic. I have not been able to get any confirmation.
      
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      October 30, 2022 3:47pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Sorry down ticked by mistake. I need a new phone. 🙁
  
  In the UK excess deaths are running at 1700 per WEEK. Most of the mainstream media is silent.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    On a per population measure I believe NZ will be exceeding that.
    They recently stated that we had lower deaths than most counties over the 3 years this clown show has been going on. That is the worst form of lying by omission.
    The lockdowns and border closures in the first 18 months meant we did have lower death rates, obviously. Redo the numbers since the start of the jab rollout. They are frightening.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The headline isn’t accurate. It should read “The Disastrous Legacy Left by the ludicrous overreaction to the Pandemic as Excess Deaths Overtake Covid Deaths.”
  There was no true pandemic by any measure you want to use.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:48am
- David George
  
  Is that the UK Daily Telegraph? I couldn’t find it but found this wee gem of a headline:
  “Joe Biden races to Pennsylvania as Trump endorsed Dr Oz surges in US midterm polls”
  
  Brandon to the rescue! Problem solved.
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:07am
  - cjn
    
    He showed his P sox. The crowd went wild!
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:31pm
  - Mike H S
    
    Yes it is the UK Telegraph. I read it this morning. I see the article you are referring to re Biden so we do have the same newspaper.
    I can’t find it now.
    
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    October 30, 2022 2:28pm
Scooter

I think the increasing articles about the PM stepping down before the election is just media being told to put feelers out as to how people feel. I think Jacinda really doesn’t want to continue, but does not have the spine to stand up to Labour or Mahuta & Co who absolutely depend on her to push through their policies before the election.
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October 30, 2022 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I really can’t see Our Dear PM turning up for Waitangi celebrations in 2023.
  
  (Though I’ve been wrong on this prediction before)
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She will be on an extended holiday to keep her away from Waitangi, note she went to Antartica, now we have a recess for another week, 2 weeks ago they said there was only 42 sitting days left before the election, so to take off for yet another week was pathetic, oh and now Shackleton was her childhood hero ffs, why does this woman make it about her self every bloody time
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      why does this woman make it about her self every bloody time
      
      I thought the point of her visit was something to do with the 65th Year of Scott Base.
      
      Did the MSM give us any information about some of the folk who established/worked at Scott Base or NZ’s intentions for Scott base for the next 65 years?
      
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      October 30, 2022 1:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    No she is only on for the King’s Coronation in May.
    
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    October 30, 2022 1:17pm
Benedict Yu

I see Stuff is promoting this dystopian review of local government. Please Chris Luxon, come out strongly and say that if ANY of these recommendations are enacted, they will immediately be repealed by a National Government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130311908/local-government-review-calls-for-te-tiriti-reform–what-would-that-look-like
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October 30, 2022 8:31am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Benedict,
  Luxon, or his team, were writing their letter to members as the report came out. At the bottom of the letter was this postscript:
  
  “PS Today, a report called “Future for Local Government” was released by a group commissioned by the Government. In almost 300 pages of mostly ideological waffle, there are proposals for mana whenua appointments to councils and a shift away from one person, one vote. National rejects these co-governance proposals, and any co-governance of public services. National is also committed to equal voting rights which are a fundamental tenet of democracy.”
  
  This is his and National’s opening statement on this affair. It will not be the last and will probably be added to next week. I hope that answer’s your question.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:05am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Good Thanks 🙂
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Aotearoa faces a “once-in-a-generation opportunity” to reform local government”
  A chance for New Zealand to sell it’s arse to the Moari Elite for a total takeover. Once this is done it will never be reversed. The Coup is getting closer.
  Julian Batchelor. https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes local government needs “reform” for sure. However it is something quite different to what these lunatics are advocating.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:17am
    - Paulus
      
      Votes for 16 year olds is OK when we can see that they have paid Local Government rates, because that is what this voting is all about isn’t it ?
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        They want to capture the Vote of all the young Climate activists (girls with personality disorders and Beta boys)
        
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        October 30, 2022 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The ‘Moari Elite’ Julian Batchelor speaks of know exactly what they are doing
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:06am
- Drone
  
  BY this is already happening by stealth. Every project, policy or action taken by central /local government agencies has to be consulted directly with iwi/hapu. Apparently for non iwi/hapu people the core public servants/council staff can make decisions for us based on best practice and government policy (agree or disagree with the policy). I am waiting for the map of New Zealand to be published showing iwi/hapu tribal boundaries in which each iwi/hapu has overall governing rights.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are onto it. Keep at it.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:08am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Marlborough will be ripped in two. Seddon will be long forgotten by whatever council they are next clipped on to.
    
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    October 30, 2022 11:31am
- MCōs
  
  “Please Chris Luxon, come out strongly and say that if ANY of these recommendations are enacted, they will immediately be repealed by a National Government.”
  The Nats already have a dozen or so laws lined up to repeal.
  
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  October 30, 2022 3:45pm
pdm

Foster continues to manfully drag the All Blacks down to his level of coaching and selecting. Some questions:

the margin was a converted try from an obvious forward pass.
where was Sam Cane for 80 minutes.
apart from setting up Reece’s try Tuivaka-Sheck looked like a league player trying to play rugby. He is no SBW.
without Retallick (if he is suspended) how will we beat Wales, England or maybe even Scotland.

BTW apart from the try from the forward pass I thought the referee had a very good game.

Finally well played Japan you played some otstanding rugby and tackled exceptionally well.
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October 30, 2022 8:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wonder if Hillary was involved in the planning? I did read something – no idea where.
The drugged up nutcase was ‘groomed’ to break in and trash the Pelosi house/mansion. So screwed up and it got out of hand. The assault was not planned. This ‘grooming’ was nothing more than a sympathy grabbing stunt to grab Dem supporters attention. Sympathy to grab votes in the mid-term Election.
This may of course be all bullshit. I just can’t remember where I read it, but is plausible when I think of all the other Democrat dirty tricks between 2016 and 2020.
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October 30, 2022 8:52am
- Nickc2
  
  What you are referring to is my post from yesterday.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Could be, I will go check.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You replying to Nukuleka. That was part of it, but I did read something else somewhere. It was not on this Blog.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:01am
- Its only I
  
  Is there a single capital letter Q on the top of any sites you read?
  
  Over the many years I have worn adult gumboots and meeting thousands of people from around the world doing this accomodation on a farm host gig, I can confidently say that if you only look at the democrats shyt and what they get up to you will only see half of the shyt they all do. It’s a political sport and just as confusing as their national game.
  After talking to a few different US guests I think two good(?) things happen when the US drops a MOAB onto another country.
  1 They all cheer as one in a weird national pride way.
  2 The population increases 9 months later with a higher chance of cross pollination across the political divide.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Qs” are everywhere. I just ignore them now//
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:41am
    - Its only I
      
      Is your down ticker against you seeing Q everywhere?
      Is your down ticker against you ignoring Q?
      …or mentioning Q publicly?
      
      Is seeding an idea then hoping followers run away with it how the whole Q thing works?
      
      Shit, your down ticker is Te Q!
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Pity I can’t downtick my own comment. I would do it on every comment first just to piss the wank off that he was not first.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:23pm
DimChappie

I note this site uses `Kia Ora’ as a welcome when one logs on. Julian Batchelor believes we should reject all Maorification in the fight against co-governance. This blog is his best yet:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-truth-about-the-tauranga-cyclist-who-was-sworn-at-when-he-said-kia-ora/
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October 30, 2022 8:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You have beaten me to it. I have not yet seen my daily email from Julian Batchelor. Good job you did.
  “Kumara sprouting from his ears” Meng Foon. Hilarious!
  Yes, the plans for a Coup are well underway. Most New Zealanders don’t know, or just dismiss it as junk.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:49am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I am so old fashioned that Kia Ora reminds to check that I have enough tomato sauce.
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Not only Kia Ora sauce, but a swag of products in Australia using “Kia Ora”.
    
    Coca-Cola sold the Australian-origin Kia-Ora fruit drinks in the UK, and they may still be on the market in Ireland.
    
    Kia Ora Gold Corporation was a prominent (now gone) Australian miner, and Kia Ora Stud, in NSW’s Hunter region, is one of the country’s top thoroughbred breeders.
    
    The 1982 edition of Australia’s “Concise Macquarie Dictionary” acknowledges kia-ora as an (NZ )interjection.
    
    Aussie kia-ora brands:
    
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Australian brands Kia Ora&t=chromentp&atb=v328-1&iax=images&ia=images
    
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    October 30, 2022 1:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      Whoops! Some sort of Duckduckgo quirk in that link.
      
      However, it works if you copy the whole link, from https to … images, and paste it in command line of Duckduckgo, and, if you’re not using Duckduckgo … sorry.
      
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      October 30, 2022 3:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now I got flashbacks to when I was 8.
    https://archive.org/details/1950-advertisement-for-kia-ora-tomato-sauce
    
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    October 30, 2022 2:02pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Dim Chappie – thanks for sharing this interesting perspective.
  
  I am against the UN/WEF globalist sponsored dividing of nations. There is no room for tolerating the Maori elite coup. But wars are won in hearts and minds. Going around saying F off to someone greeting you with Kia Ora is really dumb. The average kiwi isn’t going to support this.
  
  By all means abstain from the use of Maori greetings – refuse to participate with Karakia based on Maori pantheism – resist and oppose the Maori elite coup – but telling random strangers to F off is only escalating the divide and playing into the globalists hands.
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:04am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes, I’ll just respond with an English greeting
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think the “Kia Ora” is just a small dig.
  
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  October 30, 2022 12:27pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  How do we know the guy was European? By the colour of his skin? There are some pretty white non-white people around nowadays.
  I’m not entirely convinced this even happened, or if it did, that we’re getting the whole story.
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:02pm
- Ra Henare
  
  I sometimes wonder what commenters on this blog eat for breakfast. Fresh lemons or Garlic.
  
  Certainly dont start the day with a positive outlook on life.
  
  One might say miserable bastards. But of course I wouldnt stoop so low.
  
  Kia Ora is NOT A BIG DEAL!! Its been used by kiwis of all shades and beliefs for decades.
  
  But I guess the commenters here are latching on to any excuse to have ago at the current co-governance BS.
  
  Get a life chaps and chapetts. Concentrate on real problems.
  
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  October 30, 2022 3:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

So it looks like we’re heading for the worst road toll in five years. What a coincidence, we’ve had Labour for five years, and it’s happening in spite of Labour dumbing us down with draconian speed limits.
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October 30, 2022 8:56am
- wairarapapaul
  
  Set a realistic target and people aim for it, set an impossible target (zero) and people ignore it and don’t try at all.
  
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  October 30, 2022 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The ‘target setters’ are just not as smart as the people who ignore the target.
    Logic – thankyou Mr Spock
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Add.
      “I see no logic in wanting to worship a deity who demands you live in perpetual fear.”
      Mr S’chn T’Gain Spock.
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  They would like to reduce all open road speed limits to 80. Only thing stopping them is fear of the reaction.
  
  The way to reduce the road toll is to get lunatics off the road. That is not someone driving at 120 on a motorway in fine conditions.
  
  I saw an idiot yesterday. Went through a roundabout at speed. Three car occupants. All young males with hoods. Shit box car with “Ready for Death” stencilled on the rear window.
  
  Get these idiots off the road. All of them. Build better roads. The road toll will go down.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:13am
  - TS Child
    
    I think the way to achieve this will be publishing morbidity as well as mortality. Newer cars protect against death, but mean that people end up surviving with horrific injuries – months in hospital, lives changed forever. If we added that human cost into the mix, the picture would be a lot more difficult to ignore.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nothing wrong with some older cars.
      My 2001 Landcruiser has a 4 star rating. 3 vehicles have hit me. I am still on the road, those 3 are not.
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:53am
      - TS Child
        
        I didn’t intend to suggest that older cars were worse – that’s a different discussion:) All i am I saying is that newer cars have safety features that allow people to survive accidents that would previously have killed them. However that survival often comes at significant cost – personal and financial – and that needs to be figured into our road stats in order for there to have a clear picture of what is actually happening.
        
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        October 30, 2022 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @TS. I didn’t take it the wrong way. I agree that newer cars are safer than an old shitbox that should have died long ago.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:33pm
  - Taieri
    
    Shit box car with “Ready for Death” stencilled on the rear window.
    ———-
    
    Should such a wish be granted? But if it was then all sorts would come out of the woods crying out how upstanding these young men were…
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He was a god boy.
      
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      October 30, 2022 9:54am
    - Bridgenag
      
      There was the friend of a tenant called Smash……..yep several times until his luck ran out
      
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      October 30, 2022 4:32pm
  - dubya
    
    Why oh why New Zealand doesn’t have compulsory insurance is beyond me. Works well for getting both bad cars and drivers off the road.
    
    Here’s one for Simeon Brown when he’s in charge of transport and gang reduction. Bring all motorcycle WOF issuance under a single provider, and fail anything that is noisy enough to cause annoyance to a reasonable person. Ok, the WOF stations might need to be heavily armed, and staff vetted like prison guards are. But, worth it.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My Daughter has an old 1993 Subaru Impreza. 166K, 1600cc.Could not pull the skin off a rice pudding, garaged all of it’s life. Lovely little car. It is only 3rd party insured. Full comprehensive Insurance is a ridiculous price purely because it is a Subaru.
      She prangs it, I fix it.
      
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      October 30, 2022 12:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Meant to put in that the car was inherited from my Partner’s Mother. Sentimental thing to keep it.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:39pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I have a 2002 Celica with the high spec engine. Coming up on 290,000 km. Runs like a clock. No it is not as safe as a modern car, but I am willing to take that risk. It has been serviced very well. If I sold it I would get $1,500. I am keeping it, hopefully for a further 2 years at least.
        
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        October 30, 2022 7:21pm
      - Hebe123
        
        It’s not the suby part that’s the issue, it’s the impreza. My outback was cheap to fully insure.
        
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        October 30, 2022 8:14pm
  - surfing
    
    Terrible roading network (NZ is a series of goat tracks interspersed with short stretches of good road (eg, waikato expressway, tauranga eastern link)….what does one do?
    
    Government solution…. reduced the speed limit.
    
    My solution … pay chinese roading companies to dual carriageway our main state highways.
    
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    October 31, 2022 1:08pm
    - An Old Kiwi
      
      You saw a problem & thought of a solution. But. This govt does not see poor roading as a problem. Instead, they see it as an opportunity to further control us (by forcing us to drive slower, take longer to travel anywhere). Think of as a type of lockdown. That’s what this govt does.
      
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      October 31, 2022 1:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That car that crashed into the guardrail had way too many people in it//
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:15am
- pdm
  
  Reinstate 100kph speed limits on most open roads,
  
  An impatient driver is a dangerous driver.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If I think there is someone behind me who wants to overtake me, I do everything I can to help, including pulling over if necessary.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:57am
  - Colville
    
    Build more passing bays.
    Make the left lane in a passing bay 80km/hr.
    
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    October 30, 2022 9:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Some of the speed limit reductions are justified. I agreed with reducing the speed limit on the highway to Banks Peninsula. In contrast reducing the speed limit on the Taupo to Napier highway to 80 is stupid.
    
    Same as reducing most urban speed limits to 40. Compliance in Christchurch is near zero.
    
    I would also like to see the law changed on overtaking where there is an overtaking lane so that the law matches practice rather than turning every driver into an offender.
    
    “On a road with a 100 kmh speed limit, where there is an overtaking lane, drivers are permitted to overtake vehicles at a speed no higher than 120 kmh, provided that they are in the overtaking lane. Drivers must reduce their speed to 100 kmh as soon as the overtaking lane ends. “
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:04am
    - glowworm
      
      Recently drove Napier Taupo. 80km/h is most definitely stupid! Most were driving normally and safely and by and large not complying, at least to some extent.
      
      Did enjoy the “I did this” pictures of our dear PM on the side of the road… Also between Rotorua and around Taupo counted 4 burnt out wreaks on the side of the road. And the potholes… don’t get me started … Some parts of NZ starting to feel a bit third world’ish…
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:45am
      - Colville
        
        I drive Napier Taupo a fair bit. Back when we had backpackers you could see 6 crashed cars a day. It’s got some really shit corners and some really fast straights. Not a great combination!
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:53pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I’d like to see people move to the left lane when its empty instead of sticking to the right and holding everyone up
    Surprising how many don’t know they have to when the left lane is empty
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:15am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Oh yes 😕 very annoying. I get behind them and flash my lights. If that doesn’t work I blast them with my horn. Sometimes it works.
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:25am
      - TS Child
        
        I generally agree with you, but in this case, while you are right and they should be in the left lane, there are too many things you don’t know about the driver. They might be simply thoughtless, but there might be another reason why they are in the right hand lane – like not paying attention bc of a bad day or anxious about an unfamiliar road or just not a very confident driver… I generally try to avoid scaring unknown people bc startled people do unexpected things and i don’t want anything unexpected on the road 😱
        
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        October 30, 2022 10:42am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Its amazing how angry some get if they get a quick flash.
        I had one guy brake check me.
        
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        October 30, 2022 10:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just toot the horn quick. When they look in the mirror and see a bullbar, they move.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:43pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “generally try to avoid scaring unknown people”
        
        Yes to be clear I don’t go full retard. If the lights and a horn don’t work I give up and back off.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:58pm
    - glowworm
      
      I think most people that do this, do it intentionally, they know exactly what they are meant to do…
      
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      October 30, 2022 10:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Pricks will be pricks. They were born a prick.
        
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        October 30, 2022 2:08pm
  - Hebe123
    
    I regularly drive SH1 between Blenheim and Christchurch – once or twice a month return.
    
    Last time got stuck about 15 cars back behind a numpty doing 70 in an area where the norm would be 110. Watching people trying for 20 minutes to get past was horrifying. The front few weren’t trying to pass (one was an old camper, one towing a trailer) so the rest of the queue were trying to get past as many cars as they could- but hardly anyone could get past the front 4 cars. It was a lesson in why the Police should be out getting idiots that don’t use their rear view mirror when travelling 30% under the speed limit should be heavily fined.
    
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    October 30, 2022 8:20pm
Yvette

“Te Mana O Te Wai” statements appear to be a crucial device for Maori control of Water (the mechanism is not available to non-Maori) of Water – from the top level of the Maori Advisory Group (with Tipa Mahuta as Chair), to its supervision of Taumata Arowai (the new Water Regulator) and their supervisor of the Four Regional Entities, where there is other groups of “co-governance” which are the ones most opposition concentrates on – generally not realising this level is only the bottom of those who may issue “Te Mana O Te Wai” statements and missing the Tipa of this iceberg.

So what could a “Te Mana O Te Wai” statement actually involve?

■ Perhaps that commercial users of water be excluded from Maori policy decisions on the very water that commercial users base their livelihoods on – a position already muted.
■ Maybe an extension of the legal recognition of water as a personage, following the recognition of the waikato and Whanganui Rivers to be people.

Following some awareness of the possible power of “Te Mana O Te Wai” statements, can anyone explain what such a statement may encompass.
They are in the legislation, so what are they really for?
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October 30, 2022 8:59am
- Nickc2
  
  Maori will own water and everything it passes through and over before the end of this Parliamentary Term.
  In the meantime, their Maori Caucus will and to a large extent, already have set in motion such laws as they consider necessary for this to remain in force in perpetuity.
  Note that Cindy, their great white enabler will be kept out of this argument if not out of the country because she is so dumb, they don’t need her assistance and if Labour loses the next election, it won’t matter because Maori will have achieved exactly what they wanted that couldn’t be achieved under Helen Clark. That being ownership of water.
  Next cab off the rank will be Fresh Air.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “have set in motion such laws as they consider necessary for this to remain in force in perpetuity.”
    
    How so? A new government can change any of those laws.
    
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    October 30, 2022 10:29am
    - Nickc2
      
      Well Benedict, how come the ‘Full and Final” payout to Maori from the ToW Tribunal was not seen by Maori as Full and Final? They’ve been back several times for “Top Ups”
      In that vein, I can’t see a new Govt taking back all of the Maori grabs that is 3Waters.
      As for A new government can change any of those laws, not if Co-Governance is enacted. Maori will not vote out a law that provides them with cash they never had eh? Co-Governance will have to be repealed first and who knows what Co-Governance will involve.
      PS: The water that passes through our Hydro Dams to create Electrical Power is also drinkable (Potable). Will Maori also clip our Power Bills for additional money (koha)?
      
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      October 30, 2022 11:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “As for A new government can change any of those laws, not if Co-Governance is enacted.”
        
        Nobody yet know what “Co-Governance” means. I am assuming that it does not extend to preventing a Parliament from passing legislation. I guess I could be mistaken.
        
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        October 30, 2022 12:56pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Benedict @12:56PM
        Yep, unknown factor. However, IMO whatever Maori want/demand, they get.
        
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        October 30, 2022 1:14pm
      - Taieri
        
        However, IMO whatever Maori want/demand, they get
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        Maori? Not so sure…
        
        The “Maori” however defined are not a monolith. Just like within any other ethnicity there’s a wide divergence of political views, opinions and attitudes to life among the Maori. So who is actually driving this process? Who selected so called Maori “elites” and authorised them to speak and act on behalf of “Maori”? ? Who are they responsible to? Is there even such a thing as “Maori” as a whole, since assuming that there is, implies that there’s for example a monolithic “Chinese” speaking with the common voice and having uniform views and aspirations. Or any other ethnicity for that matter…
        
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        October 30, 2022 4:46pm
    - artemisia
      
      Contracts are not so easy to dismantle. Well maybe easy, but very expensive.
      
      I have every expectation that some excellent and experienced opposition minds and their advisers have plans. And legislation ready to go if there is a change of government next year.
      
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      October 30, 2022 2:17pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      An absolute majority was considered unlikely under MMP; having experienced Jaxxie & her absolute majority, it seems even less likely that another will occur. That being the case, any change to laws passed by Jaxxie may be less easy to unravel than you might think.
      
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      October 30, 2022 2:57pm
Tasman devil

Even the penguins hate the Prime Muppet.
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October 30, 2022 9:31am
Tomtoddy

The world is terrified of CO2 doubling. All manner of catastrophic outcomes are predicted. What should focus minds is what happens if CO2 halves.

At around 200ppm there is barely enough CO2 to keep plants alive. The potential for mass starvation would be very real. If there was a hard option between doubling or halving I would go with doubling. For most of the earth’s history CO2 levels have been much higher than a “doubling” figure.
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October 30, 2022 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If CO2 halves, the vegans will starve.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:56am
  - H. Upmann
    
    How sad. Oh well……
    
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    October 30, 2022 11:53am
- septic skeptic
  
  Exactly Tomtoddy. When I go for a hike in the middle of summer my wife stupidly insists I take a hat, water and sunscreen. Hypothermia kills more people in NZ – so I pack a raincoat, tent and winter sleeping bag instead.
  
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  October 30, 2022 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My boat has a ‘throw bag’ Everything I need including a second flare set is in there if I smash up on the rocks.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:50pm
- DeepBlue
  
  How did CO2 get so low? I mean could it happen again naturally as apposed to by tax?
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:35am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Umm, I don’t think you’re allowed to say that CO2 levels were ‘so low’.
    They were perfect before about 1850, and so was the weather, and any suggestion that this was not the case makes you a denier, and probably a right-wing racist to boot.
    I have a feeling that humans will die out (possibly due to starvation given how we’re destroying farming right now) well before CO2 levels get too low though, so I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Planet and it’s CO2 will still be here long after humans have gone.
      
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      October 30, 2022 12:52pm
Hugh Jarse

Regarding the article in the Herald yesterday on Brown not winning all of the wards in Auckland, I hope no one tells the author that Jacinda didn’t get a 100% win in the last election. Clearly either hasn’t realised that or that’s different.
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October 30, 2022 10:35am
- Paulus
  
  Remember Jacinda has only one Constituancy in Auckland which she got at a Bye-Election, so could be voted out completely, except she will be No1 on Labour’s List.
  I expect she will not stand anyway in her Constituancy anymore, as she will be too busy entertaining votes with lies at Primary and Kindergartens.
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:26pm
Brian McDonald

A fascinating AB test last night with little comment passed on the coaches needing to overcome various late changes whilst keeping an eye on the WC.
Whilst I think Tuipoluto should have been in the starting 15 it was good to see the coaching panel holding the longer-term plan.
Prior to the game, the public was given the inside picture of the decision to continue with Foster as a coach. What was pivotal it seems was that when asked if he would support Razor, co-coach Schmit said no because he had committed to Foster.
During times when loyalty appears less widely respected it was refreshing to know that NZRB was on the same page as its coaches.
It’s been a struggle to absorb how Roger went perhaps because I expected a little more on the attack but he was all class moving the ball under pressure. Ennor showed his instinct for the gap and the skill he has in abundance.
It was also great to see how up-to-speed Lienert Brown and Havili were when they came on as subs. Papili’i for the first time in Black seemed dominant.
Overall a good effort taking into account other games ahead and the flurry of late changes.
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October 30, 2022 10:39am
Yvette

Ardern’s address to the United Nations which raised international alarm in some quarters due to her contention that disinformation was a new “weapon of war” that required governments and world leaders to take action:
“… After all, a bullet takes a life. A bomb takes out a whole village. A lie online or from a podium does not.
But what if that lie, told repeatedly, and across many platforms, prompts, inspires, or motivates others to take up arms? To threaten the security of others. To turn a blind eye to atrocities, or worse, to become complicit in them. What then?
This is no longer a hypothetical. The weapons of war have changed, they are upon us and require the same level of action and activity that we put into the weapons of old“.

… Allan promised to make an announcement on the government’s strategy before Christmas but whether it adequately addresses previous concerns remains to be seen.

Based on her high profile speeches from earlier this year, Ardern clearly views hate speech and online reform as a priority. Like governments abroad, Ardern has failed to convince the tech giants to self-regulate to an extent which is acceptable to her. Thus the PM is left with the only remaining option available to her – to legislate for her desired outcomes whilst endeavouring to persuade the public that their free speech rights will be respected.
– Cranmer’s Substack newsletter

Where is the definition of “hate speech” and “co-governance”?
And like a SHORTLAND STREET plot-line –
Can Jacinda and Kiri sort Willie’s differences. Does Madonna have enough nurses to do the job, or has Andrew screwed up again?
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October 30, 2022 10:44am
- Taieri
  
  Where is the definition of “hate speech” and “co-governance”?
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  There’re no definitions, only interpretations, which makes both concepts even more dangerous.
  
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  October 30, 2022 12:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lies are a tool.
  Pelosi calls it “The Wrap Up Smear” NZ media does the same, repeats it.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK5DCQhXKlY
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:00pm
All_on_Red

Just for Clan McLeod.
This is Blake Masters campaign Ad against Mark Kelly for the Arizona Senate seat.
https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2022/10/28/blake-masters-is-bringing-the-fire-n506254
Its brutal.
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October 30, 2022 10:45am
- ClanMcleod
  
  AoR – cheers. Blake Masters is a legend. Mark Kelly is a sick s.o.b.
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:17am
Tauhei Notts

I am so old fashioned that Kia Ora reminds to check that I have enough tomato sauce.
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October 30, 2022 11:01am
- Inandout
  
  TN, and Taniwha was a soap powder.
  
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  October 30, 2022 2:40pm
Brian McDonald

Most people knew that Wayne Brown was promising more than a split council could deliver but I’m surprised to see him take the position he has regarding cars off the wharf. It’s never going to happen in his term but politically a sounder idea than the “big one”, moving the ports.
At first, his letter-writing campaign seems a little naive but the other side is that he’s setting out his position for Aucklanders to like or dislike. That appears to be in part at least on the advice of Mathew Hooten. While we really won’t see the cones disappear anytime soon at least AT is on notice, as is hopefully the housing development wing that is burning up millions of advertising crap and the already exhausted words “in this space.”
Seems like Wayne is still trying to develop a solid majority among Councillors and I hope it is realised that many Aucklanders appear not to enjoy ongoing homage paid to our volcanic cones through single parties and not the whole city’s views and indeed access.
BTW potholes are being repaired in my experience in a reasonably quick time particularly if presenting a danger. One of the benefits that are possibly not widely considered is that it reminds Council who its duty is to – the ratepayers and people. Now that’s Wayne’s job.
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October 30, 2022 11:03am
David Garrett

Well well, I never thought I’d see the day when I agreed with The Great Charlatan…On the ridiculous antics of Topher Richwhite and his girlfriend:

“This word ‘influencer’; the most stupid and nonsensical word I have ever heard”

My thoughts exactly
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October 30, 2022 11:06am
- Yvette
  
  … they entered Iran in July, having been warned not to travel to the hard-line Islamist country.
  … “Even if they’ve put themselves in harm’s way you do have a responsibility to get them out.”
  
  It cost New Zealand’s deserved wrath agains Iran until they were rescued.
  
  Subtext: these “influencers” did not make very wise decisions, so it would likely be similarly very unwise to be influenced by them
  QED
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:31am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh go on David; haven’t you ever thought about making a name for yourself on Instagram…? 😉
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:37am
  - David Garrett
    
    Suze: I assume that is a rhetorical question, but anyway the answer is NO…in fact I don’t even know what instagram is…and I have no desire to find out.
    
    My use of social media is confined to this blog and Viber..is Viber even part of “social media”? I use it to converse with my kids when I am out of the country.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:45pm
- David Garrett
  
  A good friend of mine from oilfield days wrote a letter to his local paper which asked “is the correct pronunciation of Topher “tosser”?
  
  I doubt if they published it.
  
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  October 30, 2022 12:47pm
  - Colville
    
    Tougher works for me.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:56pm
  - kevn
    
    @DG… Just say it with a lisp, gets you close.
    
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    October 30, 2022 12:58pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Andrea Vance gave them a serve in Stuff!!!
  
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  October 30, 2022 5:47pm
Benedict Yu

These folk have no ability to look at history.

“Killer weather: outdoor workers are in the firing line of more extreme storms and floods”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130030331/killer-weather-outdoor-workers-are-in-the-firing-line-of-more-extreme-storms-and-floods

“Weather” kills fewer people today than at any time in the last 100 years. Deaths peaked between 1920 and 1950 as people moved to cities, but before weather forecasting became sophisticated. Since 1950 global weather related deaths have declined.

https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters
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October 30, 2022 11:31am
Suze Wainwright

Why is my Facebook feed getting regular, unsolicited alerts from the New Zealand Labour Party, preaching desperation about being elected to power in 2017 and being faced with having to fix nine years of neglect…?
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October 30, 2022 11:34am
- David Garrett
  
  Suze: Abandon Facebook…I seem to manage my life quite well without it.
  
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  October 30, 2022 12:48pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Block them, or install Adblock Plus. Don’t reply to them with a link to Pornhub.
  That gets you 30 days in FB jail!
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forgot. On the ad/popup click the 3 dots Hide ad, click ‘irrelevant’ and then click ‘Hide all adds from the Labour Party’
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:20pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… How about just ‘hide the labour party’?
    
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    October 30, 2022 7:59pm
- An Old Kiwi
  
  I just laugh & carry on scrolling, happy to know that the L (-your choice as to what the L stands for) Party has wasted some of their advertising budget on me.
  
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  October 31, 2022 11:52am
ecco

Have travelled to the US recently. Had cause to have to RAT test for Covid several times whilst there. Went to the local CVS pharmacy. Was shocked to find the cheapest price for RAT tests was $10USD each. That’s nearly $20nzd each.

Dawned on me that Rat tests in NZ are hugely government subsidised. Also realised, judging by the crates and crates of these test kits sitting at nz immigration, that you can take for free that Ardern and Robertson’s government must have a mountainous stockpile of rat tests. (That was after they finally decided they would allow the NZ people legal access to them.)
I’m guessing this stockpile will all expire very shortly.

Has there been any accountability and public disclosure of the handling of these rat tests, how much they cost the NZ tax payer and how many they have left, about to expire rendering them another waste of public money in the name of Ardern’s ‘Covid response’?

Or are the NZ media just going to sweep that under the carpet to save Ardern’s reputation, as they have done so throughout the pandemic?
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October 30, 2022 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  RAT tests in NZ are free. We just picked up 20. You get 5 for each person in the house.
  I know someone is paying – the Net Taxpayer, so I still pay.
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:23pm
  - fernglas
    
    Why in God’s name is anyone bothering to test for Covid? If you’ve got it, you’ve got it. It’s not likely to kill you, there are more or less no restrictions now, everyone has immunity, and so the only reason is to satisfy yourself as to the identity of the particular bug you have. Did you ever rush off for a test if you came down with a bug before? I see that your New Zealand papers and media are still pushing Covid articles and trying to keep everyone there in fear, but I thought that most of the people on this blog would have been able to see through that.
    
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    October 30, 2022 6:43pm
Benedict Yu

Another absurdity.

“Justice Minister Kiri Allan announced on Sunday the Government would be removing the ability for alcohol companies and retailers to challenge a community’s local alcohol policies, an appeals process she said was costing councils and ratepayers “millions” in legal fees.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130321208/alcohol-laws-set-for-change-with-government-addressing-booze-industry-imbalance

The appeals are successful because the local councils are imposing idiotic conditions on alcohol sale, that are not consistent with the law.

Is there anything the Government does that makes any sense?
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October 30, 2022 11:36am
- Ehlana
  
  No.
  
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  October 30, 2022 11:55am
- fernglas
  
  The right to appeal an adverse decision by any authority with the ability to make a ruling that adversely affects one’s interests is fundamental in any democracy. I see Allan is also talking about removing people’s ability to appeal adverse name suppression decisions. While there is much about the latter that is in need of repair, the right to appeal is a foundation stone of any justice system. Yet again, the Government is trying to take away rights because they don’t personally agree with the way they are being exercised.
  
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  October 30, 2022 6:49pm
- wilderbeast
  
  This is pretty concerning, the bit where alcohol companies and retailers can’t challenge. Next they’ll be saying business owners can’t submit on labour laws.
  
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  October 30, 2022 9:54pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Coming next to the country in which we live, non-Maori can not appeal to any count about laws enacted for and by Maori.
    
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    October 31, 2022 8:19am
Warren

The Government and Justice Minister to pass hatespeech laws before next election.
Keri Allen revealed on Q/A this morning that the Government will still push ahead with changes to the hates peech laws which stalled under the previous Minister Kris Faafoi.
Allen promised a announcement would be made “before end of this year. She guaranteed a law would be introduced during this term of Parliament with the aim of passing it before the 2023 General Election.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/30/name-suppression-system-not-working-justice-minister/
Will this be more policy by stealth from a Government that in many opinions say the can’t or will not win the 2023 General Election.
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October 30, 2022 11:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does anyone check if children don’t go to school?

“It has also previously been revealed that Minister Tinetti doesn’t even know how many truancy officers there are across New Zealand.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00219/govt-doesnt-hold-data-on-truancy.htm
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October 30, 2022 12:09pm
oldfella

Chris Trotter is not impressed with Willie’s plans…
A woke government, served by a woke broadcaster, might just be persuaded to embark on a bold new broadcasting journey.
NOBODY HAS YET come up with a credible case for amalgamating Radio New Zealand and Television New Zealand. Even so, the merger proceeds apace, costing the taxpayer a ridiculous amount of money – to no good end. No one truly believes the quality of the broadcasting product will improve. The present audiences of both networks have longstanding gripes with the overall direction of their public broadcasters, but the response of those in charge has been to double-down on the very policies their audiences find most objectionable. With no clear rationale for the amalgamation of RNZ and TVNZ on offer, the cynicism of those who were formerly public broadcasting’s strongest defenders can only grow.
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/
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October 30, 2022 12:20pm
- mandk
  
  We don’t need a state controlled radio station, we don’t need a state controlled TV station, and we certainly don’t need a state controlled merged entity.
  
  In today’s world, the only time the government needs any role in broadcasting is to make it a condition of licenses that transmissions can be interrupted with necessary safety messenger in the event of an actual or imminent adverse natural event (flood, tsunami, earthquake).
  
  Any other messaging could be delivered, using paid-for advertising.
  
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  October 30, 2022 1:53pm
LB

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300724005/a-simple-hello-could-help-tackle-retail-crime-says-new-police-unit
Problem solved
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October 30, 2022 1:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

All is not well on the Research innovation Gravy Train in NZ.

A director of the government’s innovation agency has resigned over “unreconciliable difference in values” and called for investigations into evidence of wrongdoing uncovered in recent months.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/30-10-2022/director-quits-callaghan-innovation-board-calls-for-investigation
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October 30, 2022 1:35pm
Tony Stuart

A ram-raid in the PM’s home town of Morrinsville had police running for cover as 8-10 offenders tried to run them over

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-ram-raid-thieves-force-waikato-police-to-shelter-in-car-after-officers-nearly-run-over/N6MRZJWLOLZKMC3HFZX2UQPH4E/

It’s time for the Government to admit that crime is out of control, and to give the Police additional powers before an officer is killed.

Frontline Police have been neutered by a series of directions from Police National HQ (known on the front line as Bullshit Castle) which have had a profound negative effect on policing. Andrew Coster’s doctrine of Policing by Consent is not working, and offenders have been emboldened by frontline officers being hamstrung. That’s why so many senior Police have either left, or are seriously considering leaving.

We’re fast approaching a state of anarchy, and until those responsible for the appalling rate of violent crime are caught, prosecuted and given meaningful sentences (not Home D for drive-by shootings or rape, as have occurred in the last few weeks), nothing will change.
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October 30, 2022 2:11pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Now, now, Tony. That’s you just getting all angry and reactionary again, demanding police action.
  
  By contrast or Police, led by our Labour government, have created a National Retail Investigation Support Unit – and they’ve put a 16-year veteran in charge of it, who has started with this advice: A simple ‘hello’ could help tackle retail crime, says new police unit
  
  Years ago while working in the USA one of the women I worked with had a phrase she would use when our IT world was not going well. It was always uttered in in very tired, unheated manner:
  
  Fucked and re-fucked
  
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  October 30, 2022 2:46pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just think, Jaxxie – the policemen scurrying for their lives could have included your father.
  
  Is that close enough to home for you to reconsider your law & order policies?
  
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  October 30, 2022 3:08pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Police in their 100s had no trouble pepper spraying and truncheoning mostly peaceful protestors at Coster’s direction. What’s changed?
  
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  October 30, 2022 3:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If only these victims had greeted their thugs…
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00226/police-tells-victims-to-greet-their-offenders.htm
  
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  October 30, 2022 3:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Where the bloody hell is NZ headed with this sort of shit going on.
    Defund the Police – NO. Defund the current mob of corksoakers – YES.
    Greet your potentional robber/killer? No thanks, pass me that 44
    
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    October 30, 2022 3:49pm
- Bridgenag
  
  The blokes at bowls reckon that the Ram Raid Rats should be put into a boot camp to learn to read and write and generally get “civilised” Only let out when they can pass the tests. Up early in the morning for excercises and to work at school for the day.
  
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  October 30, 2022 4:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Seems this was the solution back in the days when Paul wrote to the Ephesians:
    
    Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
    Ephesians 4:28
    
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    October 30, 2022 8:31pm
  - An Old Kiwi
    
    Ah, but you & “the blokes at bowls”actually want to find a solution. Sadly, I think that this govt doesn’t. I think that all they want to do is to push their left, woke, racist ideology & if something divides the country &/or creates dysfunction even better.
    
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    October 31, 2022 11:45am
- kevn
  
  @Tony… I’ll bet the business owner is real ANGRY about that. Pitiful police non-action. The police on that shift must feel ashamed of themselves.
  Morrinsville should be mocking them.
  
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  October 30, 2022 6:51pm
Jack5

The Wokies and Maori activists have started on geologists’ newly established, mainly submerged, continent, Zealandia.

The State-subsidised NZ Herald today names it Te Riu-a-Māui/Zealandia.

It’s reporting on a grant from the tattered Royal Society of NZ to geologist Nick Mortimer to study the continent.

Says the Herald:

During his fellowship, Mortimer will seek collaborators to bridge the physical sciences and matauranga Maori, a body of knowledge that arrived here from Polynesia and developed in Aotearoa.

What could pre-colonisation Maori have possibly known about such a submerged continent? Was Maui a free diver as well a canoeist and fisherman?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/zealandia-geologist-to-shed-new-light-on-our-lost-continent/PPNLJYYERKEWF7ZW4DKZZGUZRQ/
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October 30, 2022 3:25pm
- surfing
  
  There is little value in matauranga just as there is no value in the knowledge of prehistoric man .
  
  Once a wheel is invented, you move onto the next thing. Maori were leapfrogged by some 5000 years.
  
  An aspect of maori knowledge that could be useful is in the medicinal properties of native flora.
  
  I occasionally feel grateful to those who came before me for figuring out which plants were poisonous and which had therapeutic properties. Many must have died in the accumulation of such knowledge.
  
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  October 31, 2022 1:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well here is today’s precious petal.
https://independentminute.com/2022/10/28/they-gave-him-a-license-plate-he-found-offensive-and-when-he-asked-to-have-it-replaced/
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October 30, 2022 3:27pm
rouppe

Tax, tax, tax. Its all they know….
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