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Cassandra

On this special day, let’s honour the relationship New Zealand has with the Crown: Charles is our King , our only one. The beat up over Goff insulting Tuheita is just that – the only insult is Tuheita’s spokesman making a public fuss. Awful behaviour, he wouldn’t be invited back to my house!
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May 7, 2023 8:08am
- Rumblestrip
  
  What an embarrassing spectacle that was. The classy response to an insult, especially an unintentional one, is not to respond, or laugh it off as beneath you. But no, these are professional offense-takers, and they couldn’t resist the opportunity to take offense in front of the cameras.
  
  It all just underscores how pathetic and pointless the Maori “King” actually is.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:08am
  - kevn
    
    @Rumle… The pink shirted ‘maori kings’ advisor was really milking the situation. Comically so.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:13am
  - Paul Marsden
    
    He’s a bloody truck driver for crying out loud with a son who is a convicted criminal.
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:00pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Watching the Coronation last night I saw two people who have dedicated their lives to serving as King and Queen of New Zealand. I trust them and respect them to do just that.
  Contrast this with the vile feral misfits who call themselves a Parliament. In the past week two have demonstarted their only interest in self interest or the interests of their Party. They have no interest in serving the citizens. They regard the citizens as peasants a problem to be tolerated while they get on with the real work of enriching themselves their rellies and their mates.
  I say any citizens who has any respect for these pond lives are sad naive fools. They are playing you like a fiddle.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:16am
  - Paulus
    
    And the usual media are supporting them with inane comments !
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:57am
    - peterwn
      
      Yes – $55M payola.
      
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      May 7, 2023 12:39pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder what Shaw and the alarmists think or this.

David Dilley: Signals that global cooling is beginning | Tom Nelson Pod #97

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_B10L9bV18
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May 7, 2023 8:12am
- artemisia
  
  And this, from Jim Rose’s Utopia blog –
  
  New South Wales – Energy Transition Turns High Farce: Power Prices Surge 80% After Coal-Fired Plant Shutdown
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:15am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Oh, prices will drop once they install more ruinable generation.
    Snigger.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What a great find! Let’s see the left debate on this.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:51am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Debating it firstly means acknowledging it and understanding it. While they may (just) manage the latter, there’s no way in a million years they’ll do the former.
    
    Expect further gaslighting, heads in the sand and obfuscation. Look, a puppy!
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:54am
- rjay
  
  They worked this out years ago. That’s why they call it climate change now.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:21am
  - thirteenstars
    
    You’re onto it.
    
    Ask any of the luvvies and they will tell you as if parroting state-funded media (hint: they are) that climate change can be responsible for any weather event: rain, wind, cold, heat, drought and even earthquakes. Yup, earthquakes.
    
    So when the cooling becomes obvious, no problem, that’s climate change, and the money machine and influence peddling will continue apace.
    
    Latest hot phrase: atmospheric rivers. My God! A river, up there, in the sky, ready to drown us all! Run for your lives! Oh, the humanity!
    
    Or something like that.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:10am
    - Unity
      
      They call it ‘climate change’. But the climate has always changed – it’s been much much hotter and much much colder and all before the industrial revolution. You are all being played at great cost and which will achieve nothing. Wake up people.
      
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      May 7, 2023 6:26pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The observant will have noticed that YouTube has increased its use of “context” panels, to combat “misinformation”. It started for COVID but now it’s expanded.
  
  The above video includes one, a blue box below the video, the purpose of which, according to YT:
  
  When you search or watch videos related to topics prone to misinformation, such as the moon landing, you may see an information panel at the top of your search results or under a video you’re watching.
  
  Information panels show basic background info, sourced from independent, third-party partners, to give more context on a topic. If you want to learn more, the panels also link to the third-party partner’s website.
  
  These information panels will show regardless of what opinions or perspectives are expressed in a video.
  
  The last paragraph is cunning, suggesting that YT is not taking sides in any debate but merely offering balance. Yet it’s obvious that the source they choose to quote will itself present a certain view, which, wink, wink, is always leaning one way.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:27am
  - sirknz
    
    Independent third party partner: Any organisation that takes money to parrot the accepted government or mainstream talking points.
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:12pm
- Burtland
  
  #64 David Dilley: “Finally, Proof – Rise in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide is Mostly Natural”
  
  https://youtu.be/qNSPiMmuIvI
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:35pm
Bridgenag

OXFORD, Alabama—In his first in-person speech after departing Fox News, Tucker Carlson did not hold back when speaking about what he sees are issues undermining America—lack of truth in the media landscape and a “manufactured” national division.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/tucker-carlson-manufactured-lies-can-enslave-americans-end-democracy_5245175.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink
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May 7, 2023 8:12am
- RichardX
  
  Bridgenag
  OXFORD, Alabama—In his first in-person speech after departing Fox News, Tucker Carlson did not hold back when speaking about what he sees are issues undermining America—lack of truth in the media landscape and a “manufactured” national division.
  
  https://www.theepochtimes.com/tucker-carlson-manufactured-lies-can-enslave-americans-end-democracy_5245175.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink
  
  MAY 7, 2023 8:12AM
  
  What I find unsurprising about this is Carlson’s hypocrisy. He was happy to tell lies for Fox in exchange for a healthy salary, right up until he got fired.
  
  And Dominion wasn’t the first time.
  People seemed to have forgotten that Fox had previously argued in court that people should not believe what Carlson stated were facts.
  He didn’t seem to mind a lack of truth in the media landscape then.
  
  “Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”
  
  https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/McDougal-Opinion.pdf
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:15am
  - Che Guava
    
    “What I find unsurprising about this is Carlson’s hypocrisy. He was happy to tell lies for Fox in exchange for a healthy salary, right up until he got fired.”
    
    Without considering the merits of Carlson’s case in particular, they all tell lies (or at least avoid the truth when it suits) for a healthy salary. That is their job.
    
    The amazing thing here is that you seem to genuinely think that this model is restricted to Fox, when that is the essential purpose of the entire MSM without exception.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:23am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, Herald and Stuff make art forms out of telling lies and stretching the truth.
      Talking about telling lies, when is this Govt going to appoint a Truth Panel alongside the Podium of Truth?
      Oh, no, they’d never do that, even the Speaker would have to punt up with letters/emails from Meka Whaitiri to justify his decision regarding her resignation and defection.
      
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      May 7, 2023 12:07pm
    - RichardX
      
      Che Guava
      
      The amazing thing here is that you seem to genuinely think that this model is restricted to Fox, when that is the essential purpose of the entire MSM without exception.
      
      Feel free to present evidence for your assertion on what I think.
      
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      May 7, 2023 4:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Have the NYT given back their Pulitzers for lying about the Trump Russia hoax?
        No?
        How about the Hunter Biden Laptop Disinformation letter story?
        Plenty of other examples
        And btw, Carlson was mild about the Dominion matter openly stating Trump was wrong and Powell and Guiliani were ” nuts”.
        Its thought he was stood down because he has ALL the J6 Footage- and theres more to come on that.
        Schumer is very afraid.
        
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        May 7, 2023 5:22pm
      - Che Guava
        
        As your selected quote indicates, I said that you “seem” to think that – that is, this is my subjective impression, and, obviously, I don’t need to provide evidence for the content of my own mental states. They are indubitable, because I have direct access to them.
        
        If, however, I’d said that “you think that…” then that is a truth-assessible claim – but it’s not the claim I made.
        
        Understand?
        
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        May 7, 2023 5:54pm
      - RichardX
        
        All_on_Red
        
        And btw, Carlson was mild about the Dominion matter openly stating Trump was wrong and Powell and Guiliani were ” nuts”.
        
        You agree then that Carlson lied on air as directed by Fox so he is a hypocritical in his new position regarding lack of truth in the media landscape
        
        Che Guava
        As your selected quote indicates, I said that you “seem” to think that – that is, this is my subjective impression, and, obviously, I don’t need to provide evidence for the content of my own mental states. They are indubitable, because I have direct access to them.
        
        If, however, I’d said that “you think that…” then that is a truth-assessible claim – but it’s not the claim I made.
        
        Understand?
        
        MAY 7, 2023 5:54PM
        
        The amazing thing here is that you seem to genuinely think that this model is restricted to Fox, when that is the essential purpose of the entire MSM without exception.
        
        So nothing amazing or genuine about your initial observation then.
        
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        May 7, 2023 8:02pm
- Matt Long
  
  It’s reported the Fox slot formerly held by Carlson has lost three quarters of its viewers.
  So why did Fox dump its best performer?
  More commentators including Scott Adams are coming out with the idea Blackrock invested in Fox to oust Carlson because of his far reaching opposition to ESG.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:17am
  - Che Guava
    
    “So why did Fox dump its best performer?”
    
    Short term profits sometimes have to make way for ensuring that the public’s information access continues to be well-regulated, and along with it, their attitudes and opinions. The status quo is maintained by strict narrative conformity, and an emphasis towards focusing the mass-mind on things that are “right” to think about, while distracting from those that are “wrong.” Sure, Fox is a business, but, more significantly, it also part of a wider power elite network, a set of institutions that has an even bigger investment in keeping the masses unaware and acting and thinking in the interests of the power elite.
    
    I always found Tucker relatively orthodox and establishment-friendly, compared to the true truth-tellers who would never have been allowed on Fox and have been heavily de-platformed, but he obviously got close enough to the taboos that he finally had to go.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:30am
    - Ghost
      
      Tucker was just a presenter reading a script written for him by scriptwriters
      
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      May 7, 2023 10:49am
      - Che Guava
        
        I largely agree. Get him in an informal interview setting, and he’s not a million miles away from an MSNBC host. I guess even the fake opposition started to get a bit too spicy! I think that Tucker’s role was to offer an “alternative” narrative that was safe enough to act as a pressure valve and steer people away from what led to the 2016 “revolution.”
        
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        May 7, 2023 11:05am
      - kevn
        
        @Ghost… If so, Fox would have dumped the scriptwriters surely? Maybe Tucker was the actual content ideas man and scriptwriters just fleshed it out for the media presentation?
        
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        May 7, 2023 11:17am
      - Che Guava
        
        For the avoidance of doubt, Tucker was formerly employed by MSNBC, as well as CNN, prior to morphing into a “populist renegade” following Trump’s 2016 victory.
        
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        May 7, 2023 12:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        One of tuckers scriptwriters made news not long ago being fired for racist posts online
        
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        May 7, 2023 12:03pm
      - Che Guava
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html
        
        He seems a quite a witty and perceptive writer:
        
        “Honestly given how tired black people always claim to be, maybe the real crisis is their lack of sleep.”
        
        “Black doods staying inside playing Call of Duty is probably one of the biggest factors keeping crime down.”
        
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        May 7, 2023 12:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Carlson is a true child of the Elites.
        His father is from a rich Californian farming family and his mother from a rich Californian industrial family. The marriage of two dynasties.
        He went to Private schools and had all the benefit of their wealth.
        MSNBC, CNN and then Fox.
        Quite Conservative I think he wore bow ties until his 30’s.
        But now he has seen how corrupt and manipulative the MSM is today and their alliance with Tech coys and Government- especially all the Democrats in Govt (cough Intelligence community)
        He is not Foxs friend or of any mainstream MSM.
        
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        May 7, 2023 5:27pm
  - sirknz
    
    Recent investment into Fox by Blackrock and Vanguard could just be poor timing…
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:15pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I did read that altho the viewership was very high. Sponsorship(advertising) was very low.
    
    Maybe one of the big advertisers, or group of them. Pulled the cancel culture trigger.
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:39pm
artemisia

Been thinking about the way Maori in politics may be considered outside the beltway, by actual voters and their families. I don’t know really, and suppose it would not be considered a suitable question for polls. Or for people to air opinions outside family and close friends, And even then, maybe not.

I think though that commenters on Kiwiblog have been on the negative side, but suspect there is a turning of the tide out there in voter land. Ordinary folk who try to do the right thing but don’t like what they are seeing – headlines, co-governance, politicians including the previous Prime Minister bailing, Ihumatao (big hat, no cattle). It all adds up.

We may not have a different government later this year, but if we do they will have to tread carefully. Like quietly turning down the flow of taxpayer money to some initiatives. Best not to call it a policy bonfire.

Shy Tories. Quiet Australians. Uneasy Kiwis?
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May 7, 2023 8:14am
- Che Guava
  
  As we saw during Covid, there are so many who are completely clueless, naive and unable to think critically, who will accept whatever the idiot box or their curated Facebook and Twitter feeds tell them to believe. We also saw that, even if some others have an awareness and unease, they will nonetheless just go along to get along, because that is considered preferable to the horrific prospect of standing out from the docile herd.
  
  So I think that, overall, things are not looking good at the moment – only a severe case of “buyer’s remorse” may change attitudes, when they start to see the concrete negative implications of what seems to them like a fluffy “social justice” fairytale at this point. But the more it entrenches itself, the more impossible it becomes to extract later on.
  
  Both political courage and public foresight are seriously lacking at the moment. And think about it: this situation is mostly due to wanting to avoid being called “racist.” It’s actually quite unbelievable how effective and how deep this pseudo-moral mind virus is amongst the masses.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:45am
  - kevn
    
    @Che… I have/had a sensible mate who got hijacked by the covid narrative. Even now he can’t back down having put himself into the covid corner. Sadly.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:19am
    - Che Guava
      
      He’s clearly not sensible then, is he. At some point, that must be seen as the conclusion that best fits the reality.
      
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      May 7, 2023 11:25am
tedbear

Elizabeth Kerekere got into parliament by being on the Green Party list.
Now that she has quit from the Green Party, how can she stay in parliament?
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May 7, 2023 8:15am
- pdm
  
  Exactly tedb.
  
  It is my understanding she has to leave so that the next person on the Green List at the 2020 Election can taker their seat.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:08am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Only if the Green Party invoke the waka-jumping law, which they voted for through gritted teeth after they sold their souls to the devil (Winston) for the baubles of power.
    
    They stated their opposition to it even as they voted YES! and declared they would never invoke it. At least that’s one principle they’re yet to abandon for expediency. The only one I can think of.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, you would think that’s how the rules work but unfortunately, that doesn’t apply when the resignee/defector is of Maori extraction. If it were the case, Meka Whaitiri and Elizabeth Kerekere would be looking for other jobs right now and people may still have some faith in the Speaker of the House.
    
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    May 7, 2023 12:21pm
- RoboRob
  
  She, and any other list member, have no place in parliament if they quit their party. Goes to her personal ethics that she hasn’t quit parliament.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:08am
  - david
    
    Probably think that ethics is an English county and therefore a symbol of colonial oppression.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  Nah – she can please herself it seems, as she is doing, after all she is a Wahine.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:00am
Chuck Bird

The Herald probably pays the person to write something deliberately offensive to Royalists and Christians but writing about men who are deluded and think they are women must not be mocked.

Shaneel Lal: King Charles’ coronation represents a royal family whose existence is undemocratic, a waste of money and legitimised by a god that does not exist

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-king-charles-coronation-represents-a-royal-family-whose-existence-is-undemocratic-a-waste-of-money-and-legitimised-by-a-god-that-does-not-exist/DBAEBYSVNZEM3H2BAWXJ4IBHTA/
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May 7, 2023 8:17am
- Spam
  
  I look forward to other articles pointing out things that are undemocratic.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:18am
- Anan Carpentie
  
  Shaneel Lal is a man who celebrated a violent mob attacking a woman who wanted to exercise her right to free speech. An attack that could have resulted in her death.
  
  Why is a mainstream newspaper promoting this person?
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:28am
  - thetiedarch
    
    And why the hell was he named young nzer of the year too!
    
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    May 7, 2023 8:36am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He represents the bent government
      
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      May 7, 2023 10:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Probably because he represents majority thinking in their Newsroom.
    
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    May 7, 2023 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Unfortunately I agree with it.
    
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    May 7, 2023 8:58am
    - Anan Carpentie
      
      I have no issue with opinion pieces criticising the Royal family, Christianity or anything else.
      
      My issue is with the Herald being a cheer leader for someone who promotes violence against women. Would they give air time to a white man who promoted violence against Maori? Of course not. How is that different to the actions of this guy?
      
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      May 7, 2023 9:52am
      - Che Guava
        
        Because the wider issue is an ongoing top-down transformative socio-political agenda. It isn’t now and has never been about minorities in themselves – minorities are dispensable agents of social subversion.
        
        If this agenda required tomorrow that so-called trans people were open to being abused and insulted (for the benefit of some new minority group), that change would happen in a heart beat, and a new minority du jour would arise. Mr/Ms (or whatever) Lal is just a tool in more ways than one, just like Feminists are/were.
        
        What does it tell us? It tells us that women’s rights were themselves merely an instrument for radical social subversion. That instrument isn’t needed to the extent that it was previously. Now that trans is the new instrument of subversion, women are becoming dispensable as political instruments (although higher up the victim hierarchy than men). “Women” (i.e. as a rights cause) have already been weaponised against society, and they have done the damage they were intended to do, so they can be subordinated to their successors, the trannies.
        
        While, say, women and gays are still higher up the totem pole of victimhood than White straight males, they have lost some of their status and have been supplanted to some degree by the new victims, the “trans” community. However, they’ll eventually be displaced too when their time comes.
        
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        May 7, 2023 11:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It was the ‘exercise her right to free speech’ I was agreeing to.
        After reading it today, I did not make my point clear, sorry.
        
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        May 8, 2023 7:51am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  Only in New Zealand, where ugliness of nature is fast becoming a national characteristic, would somebody like Lal even be given a platform for his bile. Not to be outdone, I see Stuffed has added Mau’s slightly more polished but just as unwelcome opinions to the toxic mix.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:36am
  - Anan Carpentie
    
    Not just in New Zealand. It is all over the Anglospere. Canada is at least as bad as New Zealand.
    
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    May 7, 2023 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  It’s full of lies and deceit .How does it get past any “fact checkers”.
  
  Also again the irony .
  
  He makes a big deal out of how the monarch likes to be addressed , without any apparent self awareness of how ridiculous the ( they/them) nonsense is.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:50am
  - Swifty
    
    Hahahaha!
    
    Yes, very good point.
    
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    May 7, 2023 9:28am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    That is the point I came here to make…..
    
    To paraphrase Monty Python.
    
    “I didn’t vote for that”
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:28am
  - Bob
    
    How does it get past any “fact checkers…….
    what fact checkers! this is the NZ MSM you are talking about.
    Ideology trumps facts in their newsrooms!
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only one ‘pronoun’ is needed.
    It starts with “F” and is used as a verb.
    Try it!
    
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    May 8, 2023 7:55am
- kowtow
  
  The Emmerson cartoon today is particularly shit ; insulting , out of place and hard to understand.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:58am
  - Bob
    
    Todays Emmerson, like most Emerson cartoons is aimed at the lowest common denominator of the general public, not those with the cognitive capacity to think for themselves.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:11am
- oldpark
  
  Royal family been operating for at least 1000 years alongside their Christian religion for at least 2000 years .A great piece of proven history .
  
  Now for the Auckland joke .A “newspaper” full of fake controversial blurbs .Even worse they offend the people who they want to pay for their mad dog utterances .
  Wonder where that joke “newspaper” that keeps giving be in the 1000/2000 years Historical Window.
  Seems anything that is wholesome and healthy that so called “newspaper” goes out to destroy the good that competes with demonic influences. Nuff Said .
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:58am
- Philview
  
  Stuff had an article about NZ becoming a republic. They are delusional to think that such a future will happen. Removing the current constitutional arrangements will I assume lead to Iwi wanting full control of the country based on the nullification of the Treaty. This will end up in the Supreme Court who will most likely come down in favour of a Tribal governance structure. I am in favour of retaining the status quo.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You got it! See the stop co-governance blog.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:03am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    This is the issue that needs to be debated with every person wanting NZ to dump the monarchy.
    
    Ask them one question. “What do we replace it with?”
    
    The simple fact is, love it or loathe it, it works.
    
    We live in a self governing country, based on democratic principles.
    
    The overthrow of the English Monarchy ended with Cromwell installing himself as monarch in all but name, so much so that his Son assumed the role of lord Protector after his death.
    
    I find the idea of Monarchy promotes stability. We should not be so quick as to overlook it’s positives. They no longer Rule, and the idea that we should be subject to the new King is outdated and archaic, but we do exist in the largest network of free and independent nations, and for that, I am thankful.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:24am
  - Paulus
    
    No so – I would expect the Supreme Court with only appointed Maori Judges, mostly women.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:02am
  - sirknz
    
    My argument against becoming a republic is mostly financial.
    
    Our current obligations is to cover the costs of any visit by them and we can expect a visit roughly every 5 years. As far as ahead of state goes, this would probably be less than $2 per person, per year.
    
    if we become a republic, we have the one off costs associated with changing all government letterheads, flags, titles, a constitution, updating all laws and probably a whole host of other things I can’t be bothered researching.
    
    Then there would be the ongoing costs for an entourage, a residence as anything currently existing just wouldn’t do, security, and probably a whole raft of other new holidays that would need to be implemented.
    
    All I see is more tax dollars being wasted to achieve a worse situation than we have right now.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:05am
    - cmm
      
      Not if it is done properly.
      When South Africa became a republic they continued to use the old stationery etc until it got used up. In some areas the old letterheads were still used for many years.
      Of course in the Rep of Aotearoa they would likely just burn it.
      
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      May 7, 2023 2:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Herald making news with the help of the Police hiding around the corner.
  This person is actually quite dangerous. Needs to be stopped.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:02am
- Tom Hunter
  
  If you didn’t pay attention to the NZ Herald and the rest, Chuck, they’d die.
  
  But I guess we’re just going to have to wait for the newspaper-reading generation to leave this world before the likes of the Herald go broke.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:07am
  - GJM
    
    No, if noone reads them, it doesn’t matter. Their income doesn’t rely on readership but government bribes.
    Lack of readers saves dealing with subs and customers.
    
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    May 7, 2023 7:58pm
- Swifty
  
  Hang on a minute.
  
  I thought you addressed British Monarchs as “Your Majesty” first, not “Your Royal Highness”, the latter term used for the next tier.
  
  Has Lal got his basic facts wrong?
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:15am
  - Taieri
    
    Has Lal got his basic facts wrong?
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    Has Lal any basic facts right?
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:56am
- Dave
  
  To be fair to King Charles, his undemocratic existence doesn’t include voting rights on the Auckland City Council and its committees, nor any involvement in our health systems, nor any powers over my water supply and disposal. Nor does he impose obscurantism on NZ science research and education, despite some of own his wacky views, nor impose a highly politicised interpretation of our history in NZ education, nor demand I begin meetings with a nod to his god.
  
  I tend towards republicanism but, given the minimal cost of the monarchy to NZ, see value for money in our head of state arrangements.
  
  So, Shaneel, we’ve seen your notions of democracy recently on TV; what better deal are you offering?
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:25am
  - Swifty
    
    Excellent.
    
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    May 7, 2023 9:29am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Mr Lal has been promoted well above his level of relevance and ability.
    Ms Mau likewise.
    Lacklustre people always sniping on the sidelines.
    All about them and their feelings and demands – based on what?
    If they bothered to investigate with an open mind rather than cheap prejudice, they might be surprised at the contributions to society that King Charles has made.
    But easier to use their paid media platforms to illustrate their ignorance and mock others who have done far more for ordinary people than Lal or Mau ever will.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:05am
    - sirknz
      
      Any opinion piece with the comments turned off just tells me that the opinion piece writer doesn’t stand behind the convictions of their argument.
      
      Can’t be bothered with anything that Lal writes as I suspect it will be below the level of what a ten year old could write, but Mau never has comments on and her pieces are usually full of arguments that can be ripped apart with basic logic and actual stats.
      
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      May 7, 2023 11:11am
      - [email protected]
        
        Before bothering to read an article I jump down to see if comments are allowed. If not, I ditch reading the article. Saves a lot of time and frustration.
        
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        May 7, 2023 7:26pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  IT is a sad person with a big chip on ITS shoulder. Only writes negative stuff. Obviously has ISSUES. BIG ISSUES.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:20am
- Ehlana
  
  This is a person who can’t use Google. The royal.uk website starts its page on greeting royals with “There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.”
  
  Obviously, they haven’t updated for the change of monarch yet, but can you imagine Shaneel ever accepting that there is no obligatory code of behaviour when meeting him? I’m guessing the meaning of the King’s first words at the Abbey, “I come not to be served, but to serve” were completely lost on him. But come to think of it, this is someone who believes anyone he might disagree with must be shouted down and drowned out, so there is no chance of Shaneel hearing anything.
  
  As for the suggestion that the Royal Family believe in a white Christian God, that is incredibly offensive, I would suggest, to all follower of the Abrahamic faiths – Jews, Christians and Muslims.
  
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  May 7, 2023 6:47pm
Tomtoddy

No one does pageantry like the Brits. Jolly good show, you fellows.
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May 7, 2023 8:19am
- Cinematic
  
  Fascinating and fantastic. Brilliantly executed.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  That ceremony was so full of our constitutional history.
  From the spoon that was the only item to survive the extremist Cromwell , to the King’s oaths to preserve protestantism ( going back to the Restoration of C R II and parliament’s distrust of absolutist Catholic( and High Church Anglican) monarchs) .
  It’s not actually all about royalty , it’s about royalty as servants of God and of the people .
  That’s where the Crown has it’s true legitimacy and meaning.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:45am
Suze Wainwright

So who should aotearoa’s committed young woke voters give their party allegiance to?

Their Twitter commentary suggests Marama Davidson’s bold and decisive leadership during the entire Kerekere affair has been nothing short of exceptional, yet Te Pati Maori is now clearly rectifying the social justice void that aotearoa so desperately requires to be filled. Oh the decisions…
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May 7, 2023 8:34am
Matt Long

New Zealanders are upset that our dairy products are cheaper in the UK than here, it appears sugar is cheaper in the UK than Jamaica. See end of story.
https://time.com/6276105/king-charles-iii-coronation-monarchy-caribbean/
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May 7, 2023 8:37am
Matt Long

Safe places for women but apparently you also need safe places from women.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-american-tennis-player-quit-sport-became-nun-due-sexual-harassment-the-story-2-time-grand-slam-finalist-andrea-jaeger?key4=sktenfb
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May 7, 2023 8:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

Tukoroirangi Morgan wants this Government to sack Phil Goff

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/calls-for-phil-goff-to-quit-after-offending-m-ori-king-with-coronation-comments-forgotten-karakia.html

Now, how many NZers know what is involved with a Kiingitanga coronation?

I can’t find a written account of the last one…but here’s an account of a previous coronation.

He then crowns the King by laying a Bible upon his head, saying as he does so, “Your ancestors in the olden days were wont to be anointed with oil, but, since the advent of Christianity, they have been anointed with the Word of God. Therefore I place the Word of God upon your head”

https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/maori-king-election-and-coronation
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May 7, 2023 8:43am
- Taieri
  
  Your ancestors in the olden days were wont to be anointed with oil
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  Wonder what sort of oil they used in the olden days? Canola, olive and sunflower weren’t there after all. And neither was the whole concept of anointing…
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Titoki oil
    
    https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BesFore-t1-body-d1-d9-d7.html
    
    or shark liver oil… (or whale fat)
    
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    May 7, 2023 9:38am
- JerJer
  
  I find it a bit rich that they talk about this made up Māori king like he has some status or authority or deserves some actual recognition like a real king. I see they tried to refer to him a a monarch. That’s hilarious.
  
  The Māori king is simply a made up nothing, just like most of the Māori language which is also mostly made up.
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:57am
  - Anan Carpentie
    
    As I commented yesterday, I doubt that 1 in 100 New Zealanders could tell you identity of this Maori king or his purpose.
    
    People do not have a right to go through life without being offended.
    
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    May 7, 2023 9:25am
    - JerJer
      
      1 in 1000 or even 1 in 10000 is probably more realistic. Just googled him. Seems he is some white guy. Not very Māori at all.
      
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      May 7, 2023 9:29am
    - Paulus
      
      His purpose, as I unerstand was that of Truck Driver in the Waikato, before he was annointed by his tribe to be a dumb figurehead.
      
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      May 7, 2023 11:06am
  - rockape
    
    He is right up there with the wizard of Christchurch except the latter does some good charity work.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:38am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    How many karakias does the bloke need before getting to the coronation – he shared one with some dead bloke uncle billy or similar in the Waikato before driving to Auckland airport …. The whole thing is not about him or the unhappy Māoris – I know plenty of white folks that would have given their right arm to be there on the taxpayers tab
    
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    May 7, 2023 1:01pm
- Tarquin North
  
  [Mod – not even remotely relevant]
  
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  May 7, 2023 8:59am
- Swifty
  
  I see on the Maori King’s Wikipedia page the pains someone has taken to stress that he is ‘an elected King’.
  
  Somewhat cute I would have throughly given that since the coronation of the first Maori King, each monarch has been succeeded by a child with one exception and that was where the crown went from one king to his brother.
  
  So when they say ‘elected’ I guess they mean like how the Kim dynasty in North Korea is ‘elected’.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:52am
  - Swifty
    
    *I would have thought….
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:21am
  - Paulus
    
    I did not elect him or even knew who or what he is.
    My invitation to his Coronation must have got lost in the post.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:08am
  - sirknz
    
    Elected? You don’t elect your monarch, you should use something tried and tested like a woman in a lake lobbing scimitars at people to choose who should be the rightful ruler…
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:22pm
    - Swifty
      
      Scimitars are curved and of Middle-Eastern origin.
      
      Excalibur was straight.
      
      Just like me.
      
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      May 7, 2023 3:10pm
Inandout

An interesting article with Ian Richardson of the original ‘House of Cards’ series. I always assumed the Royal prince featured in the series was close to today’s King Charles in nature. However the heavy responsibilities of being King may leave little time for green fantasies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/tv/1994/01/16/ian-richardson/cd9d0073-2f5c-410c-846a-9f600a404a36/
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May 7, 2023 8:56am
Warren

When is the public of New Zealand going to wake up to the fact that this Labour Government is playing them with lies and misinformation because the think we are fools. Here is someone the headlines for the past week.
Violent Retail Crime escalating as Police Minister Ginny Anderson cherry picks Ram Raid Data.
PM Chris Hipkins- UK Free Trade Agreement comes into forse at end of May when it was ratified to come into force by the end of 2022.
94 Hours in A/E: Doctor raises alarm about longest ever wait for bed in Auckland Hospital.
Why the Waka-Jumping Legislation was not invoked for Meka Whaitiri.
Education Minister Jan Tinetti’s Office instructed Officails to delay data release to be timed with announcement.
This is just a few but this corrupt Government is playing us because they believe we are stupid and some of the public agree but those must be in the minority if you are to believe in the polls.
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May 7, 2023 9:12am
- Bob
  
  because they believe we are stupid…..
  because they believe that many of us are stupid, -corrected it for you!
  please don’t include us few thinkers in your broad assertions.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:23am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I don’t believe in the polls and never have – they are invariably wrong, often by orders of magnitude. This is not necessarily the fault of the pollsters, or the methodology, but a reflection of human nature.
  
  There’s only one poll that counts, and it closes on October 14. Side note – I’d be 10 times happier if there was but one polling day, the date announced. There should be provision for early voting only if you can prove that you’re not able to attend a polling booth on Election Day.
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:10pm
  - jon
    
    Understand photo ID is now required when voting in the UK. Same should apply here. Agree with your comment on early voting.
    
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    May 7, 2023 5:28pm
    - Ghost
      
      Nothing wrong with the voter election cards everyone is sent, no need to complicate it more.
      
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      May 7, 2023 5:38pm
  - Ghost
    
    Nothing wrong with early voting. I’ve done it every election.
    
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    May 7, 2023 5:37pm
pdm

`Tukoroirangi Morgan wants this Government to sack Phil Goff’.

If Chippy thought there was a couple of votes in it he probably would.

Anything to please Tainui and other Iwi aligned with them.
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May 7, 2023 9:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Morgan of all people should be familiar with Hanlon’s Razor:
  
  Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
  
  I mean, he’s lived most of his adult life by that mantra.
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    Morgan is a good very old Welsh name, and a great Motor Car made nearby, by one of his relatives.
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:03pm
- trout
  
  Goff may have inadvertently stuffed his chances of getting of a King’s Birthday gong. Oh the irony.
  
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  May 7, 2023 6:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Does the Green Party have an identity crisis;

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/kerekere-gone-from-greens-but-identity-crisis-remains

or are they just useless?
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May 7, 2023 9:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Shaw said he and Davidson agreed on an internal investigation before the message leaked to the media the next day.”
  
  What, all by itself?
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:16pm
Ghost

Stuff showing just how you can take one screen capture and create a complete story around it, despite harry was visible throughout

Prince Harry’s face was blocked by a feather in Princess Anne’s hat at the King’s coronation
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May 7, 2023 9:22am
- Anan Carpentie
  
  Like Newshub portrayed Kellie Jay Keen as giving a Nazi salute. She was scratching her nose or adjusting her hair. Or something.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:58am
  - thirteenstars
    
    I believe that was portrayed as a “white supremacist” sign.
    
    Someone might confirm: did Newshub eventually retract that assertion?
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:19am
  - Che Guava
    
    Let’s say she was giving a Nazi salute, and even started goose-stepping around the place – I fail to see how this would in any way affect anything she has to say. Of course, we know why the association is used, but its a complete logical fallacy.
    
    Nazis designed the first jet aircraft – does that mean the principles of jet propulsion are erroneous, and that we all shouldn’t fly in jets? If Nazis liked a nice steak and cheese pie, does that diminish steak and cheese pies in any way? I wouldn’t have thought so. And similarly, if Nazis were opposed to transsexuals, then I guess the Nazis were completely right about that too.
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:45am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  She was wearing the Uniform of the Royal Colonel of the Blues and Royals and her ceremonial position of “Gold stick in waiting”.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:03am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Princess Anne, 72, is a hard working woman.
    In 2022 she attended 214 official engagements.
    That means she gets up, dresses up, travels up and contributes to various functions and ceremonies to which she is invited on a regular basis.
    I very much doubt that Princess Anne actively seeks these invitations just to shore up the reputation of the royal family.
    Why do universities, military bases, schools, fashion houses, not for profit orgs, businesses, animal charities, councils etc bother to ask for a member of the Monarch’s family to turn up at their events?
    Because it adds value and respect.
    We live in an isolated back water full of the self-important.
    Many people here aged 72 are living in rest homes being looked after – not willing, able or expected to work.
    People can mock and criticise the British Monarchy, no problem, but at least be informed about what they actually do.
    The King is nearly 75. He is committed, by birth, to serve his country, whether he feels like it or not.
    What will the likes of the conceited Mr Lal be contributing to society when he is 75?
    Probably only writing his boring columns in a second rate newspaper.
    As for the Maori King, how many attendances at NZ fund raisers and other NFP public ceremonies (not just for a chosen few) does he commit to during the year?
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:59am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They were just playing follow-the-leader as this image, and the BS story behind it, travelled all around the world before landing in little Outer-rower.
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, TV1 were up to their ‘Shit Stirring’ stunts again yesterday afternoon when they screened a program called ‘Charles and the Women Who Could Have Been Queen’ featuring his ex-lovers.
  If that’s not in bad taste on the day of his Coronation, I don’t know what is.
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:39pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Given what Charlie said to Camilla while he was still married (something about wanting to be her tampon), I think any question of bad taste is moot.
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:09pm
    - Taieri
      
      And what have you been saying to the future Mrs Loddenthinks? Only things prim and proper, no doubt?…
      
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      May 7, 2023 2:29pm
- Burtland
  
  by Amberleigh Jack – Masters Degree in Communications from AUT
  another child of our education system
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:02pm
Tauhei Notts

What I noticed about the Coronation was the huge number of people there who had suffered from colonisation.//
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May 7, 2023 9:24am
- Swifty
  
  Indeed.
  
  In many, in fact the great majority of, countries around the world such occasions would be almost completely monochromatic.
  
  But it’s the so-called European countries which are the most racist apparently.
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:34am
- Cassandra
  
  All clamouring to get back to Jamaica or Liberia? No? I wonder why. God Save the King!
  
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  May 7, 2023 9:45am
- Countrygirl
  
  Yes, and like Chippy who thinks he wants a Republic, but is first to line up for such a great occasion. Hypocrites the lot of them.
  Rawiri Waititi was making a very belligerent speech before the ceremony but he also took the opportunity of a free trip to an important event for the British.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:33am
  - Ghost
    
    Doesn’t matter what he thinks, he is the prime minister of our country and even if he doesn’t believe in the monarchy he should be there to represent New Zealand.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Before he went our te media pardy were beating up the story of what kind of suit he’d wear
    
    ie he wasn’t going to look ridiculous ina morning dress , but then he goes in with a feather cloak on !
    
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    May 7, 2023 12:56pm
  - Burtland
    
    the narrative builds for the election …
    
    Chippie-the-working-class-hero-from -the-Hutt-eats-sausage-rolls-with-watties-sauce
    
    FFS the last Watties Sauce I bought was made in Australia
    
    they really do think were dumbos
    
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    May 7, 2023 2:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Agree, none of them look like they’d ever been short of a meal or two and their clothes must have cost a fortune eh?
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:42pm
Hugh Jarse

The Goof of London insults the King of Huntly. Made up insults based on made up gravitas for a made up role.
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May 7, 2023 9:40am
ClanMcleod

El Gato Malo posits about how big (or not) the plot is which many claim is leading us to a NWO driven by the UN, WEF and others.

sure, it can look like a plot for a few minutes, but in many ways, i think covid may have saved us from the rest of this plan.

they may have have thought they were being clever and “moving up the timetable” but they didn’t.

it was too much, too fast, and too clearly wrong. the models and interventions were testable in real time, the effects obvious, the prices widely paid and highly visible.

outside a few small factions, this did not increase the desire for “leadership by expert” it likely undermined it for a generation. they woke up silent center and they lost them.

team clown may not get it yet, but the vast mobile middle of western societies does and enough have had enough that they now distrust these erstwhile imperials on every vector.

that’s the price you pay for believing your own fairy stories. everyone saw them fail. and they, who thought they were getting ready for the glorious drive into the capitol for their truimph instead bear the blame for having turned lives and economies into a catastrophically careening clown car.

and there is nothing funny about a clown car crash.

clown car crashes are deadly.

The next few years will be telling. None of what is happening is conspiracy. The covid circus, climate circus and now the gender circus are all deliberately implemented programmes to continue the erosion of true democracy. A drive towards non elected, centralised totalitarian control. Neo Marxism. It isn’t a conspiracy.
That’s the reason many of us have been struggling to work out what the he’ll is going on. The confusion is deliberate. Confused people are easy to control.
When you spot bullshit call it out instantly. Chaneel Lal, Michael Baker, Greta, every single Green MP. Ridicule them, don’t argue with them. Doing that gives them meerut which they don’t deserve.
Laugh at them. Then ignore them. It’s all they deserve especially after the last three years. They certainly don’t deserve respect.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/do-something-this-is-something-lets
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May 7, 2023 9:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  My post above is relevant to the coronation yesterday of Charlie, another WEF and climate change useful idiot. Nice pomp and pageantry, but that’s it.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:06am
- kevn
  
  @Clan… Best summary I have read.
  In NZ we also (sadly) give them a gong. Sort of a reward for bullsh*tting us.
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    @kevn – that’s exactly what it is, reward for bs rendered. It doesn’t need pointed out any longer really, but none of these apparent “experts” or “journalists” has ever agreed to sit down and engage with one of the prominent opponents.
    
    They won’t. That’s because they know they can’t because they would be exposed as the vacuous useful idiot shills they actually are. We saw that most clearly when Hipkins was asked “what is a woman”,
    That’s one easy question, imagine if he had to sit and debate with someone of reasonable intelligence for an hour without pre scripted questions? He would have an aneurysm.
    
    We’re in trouble, but the good news in enough now seem to know it, especially when you look at the collapse in uptake of boosters everywhere.
    
    Most of the rest of the world is walking the worst of this back at least, NZ is still a basket case sadly.
    
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    May 7, 2023 10:46am
    - Bob
      
      He would have an aneurysm……
      there would be a very long SILENCE, following the first comment from the other party.
      
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      May 7, 2023 11:37am
    - kevn
      
      @Clan… Right on there.
      
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      May 7, 2023 3:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-truth-about-the-so-called-declaration-of-independence-1835/

Why Maori don’t own the water. Audio from the BFD.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/05/06/water-the-maori-party-threats/
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May 7, 2023 10:14am
Chuck Bird

Anyone see Willie Jackson on Q + A this morning?
If Labour gifts the Maori seats to the Maori Party the left would win by quite a bit. Jackson denies that Labour would consider doing this. Does anyone believe Jackson?
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May 7, 2023 10:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I have moved to the idea this was planned, how that means it will give the weak government more support. How I don’t know, MP will take vote from Labour and the greens, no votes will come from the right, I think Labour will lose some vote to Nats snd ACT , and Nats will take a small amount of votes from MP in the the Māori seats simply because they will stand candidates.
  
  A huge amount will not vote for this shabby hatchet job, remember vote Labour to keep greens out, what will votes do to keep Greens snd MP out of cabinet
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How I don’t know,
    
    Let me explain……
    
    The Maori Party MUST gain an electorate seat to remain in Parliament.
    
    They didn’t win one in 2017 and were out of Parliament.
    
    In 2020 Rawiri Waititi defeated Tamati Coffey in Waiariki by a small margin of votes (836)… So this is not a safe seat and could turn to Labour again.
    
    Debbie Ngarewa-Packer came in as a list MP…as The Maori Party scored above 1% for Total votes… but she wouldn’t have been in Parliament if the Maori Party hadn’t won the Waiariki seat.
    
    Meka Whaitiri won her seat of Ikirao-Rawhiti easily..
    (by 4210 votes). She stands a very good chance of retaining the seat, even though she won’t be a Labour candidate. She will thus ensure that the Maori Party retains its presence in Parliament…and its alliance with Labour.
    
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    May 7, 2023 12:13pm
    - Ghost
      
      We should see soon if this is a gifted seat to Māori by who labour put up there.
      
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      May 7, 2023 12:24pm
      - artemisia
        
        Bit like Wellington Central.
        
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        May 7, 2023 1:08pm
    - Colville
      
      I cant see how it changes anything.
      
      Waititi will easily win this time around. He defeated Coffey when the rest of the country swung hard to Labour.
      
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      May 7, 2023 12:29pm
- I remember when
  
  Chuck Bird:
  Not just the Labour Party but more especially the influence ceded to Maori representatives of the left.
  
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  May 7, 2023 1:53pm
Swifty

It’s those bloody Welsh again!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/series-of-dramatic-videos-show-shooting-of-south-auckland-man-in-driveway-in-front-of-his-young-family/GP4CTF3KSVE7LBWSUSMDZTH5U4/

Always up to no good.
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May 7, 2023 10:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Good job we got rid of the Irish travelers. Now to sort out the bloody taffys. //
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:03am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Nobody show this to Chris Luxon. I mean, he’s not allowed to comment on anything bad happening in South Auckland, because we know it’s just the sweetest, quietest most peaceful place on earth.
  
  Well, except for the Welsh, obviously.
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:23pm
lifesgood

Why on earth was Hipkins wearing a Maori feather cloak? He is not Maori as far as I know. Looks more Scottish with that ginger crop. It is cultural appropriation and a wonder the Maori don’t make a song and dance about it. I noticed that delegations from other Pacific countries did not dress up in tribal outfits even when they could legitimately. I am increasingly embarrassed about New Zealand.
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May 7, 2023 10:29am
- Ghost
  
  The kākahu was gifted to the Paris embassy for use in special occasions
  
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  May 7, 2023 10:50am
  - Paulus
    
    So !
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:10am
    - Ghost
      
      So Māori won’t make a song and dance about him wearing it.
      
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      May 7, 2023 11:13am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Why on earth should he wear it though? Again, we have maoris bleating about colonisation and the evils of the British, yet happy for a direct descendant of those British is given a feather cloak to wear. Why?
        
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        May 7, 2023 2:25pm
  - Bob
    
    kākahu was gifted to the Paris…..
    the Coronation was in LONDON, NOT Paris!
    
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    May 7, 2023 11:40am
    - Ghost
      
      Doesn’t matter where it is gifted it is available to be used by who ever is the PM.
      
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      May 7, 2023 11:44am
      - lifesgood
        
        What rot!
        
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        May 7, 2023 11:51am
      - Ghost
        
        What’s rot about it? Prime minister is wearing it, so obviously he can borrow it from the Paris embassy. It’s a much better cloak than the one Bolger wore when meeting the Queen.
        
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        May 7, 2023 12:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    Like everything else the Elites want to force on us.
    
    It was gifted .Another sneaky top down tactic .
    
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    May 7, 2023 1:05pm
ClanMcleod

A replay of Paul Brennan’s interview with Del Bigtree re all things vaccine and pharma.

https://realitycheck.radio/replays/paul-brennan-breakfast/

It’s a thoroughly interesting and entertaining listen. I can’t recommend it enough.
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May 7, 2023 10:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The duration of a mass shooting always depends on the arrival of a second gun.
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May 7, 2023 10:40am
Maggie Pie

VID….

I know I’ve mentioned it before, but it really gets up my goat.
Here’s yet another example of a burb in Auckland, where lazy residents leave their rubbish-bins out on the berm ALL week.
Why can they not take pride in their hood like the rest of us?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1654949252844470273
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May 7, 2023 10:53am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… There was a couple in town who left their wheelie bins out on the berm all the time, 24-7, as an odd form of protest against the bins being supplied and replacing the paper Kleensaks we all hated.
  Wandering out with all their odds and sods didn’t bother them. Mind you, their lawns… looong and rank.
  
  Home owners as well.
  
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  May 7, 2023 3:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We’ve even heard of people driving round at night in their SUV’s and actually throw any offending bin in the back.
    A quick trip over to Mt Roskill and bobs-ya-first -cousin.
    
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    May 7, 2023 4:36pm
ClanMcleod

Just a final follow up on my previous posts this morning. I don’t apologise for seeming single issue. The events of the last few years, and the current insanity pervading all aspects of our lives, truly is the biggest threat to democracy we have seen in almost a century. We all need to be paying attention. In my opinion the whole co-governance thing is just another spoke in the wheel that is driving this.

Sure, focus on it, but remember it’s part of a bigger plan.

This was an excellent article. The author asks an excellent question.

Is there a readily available and simple diagnostic test to confirm ones credentials as a critical thinker? Something you can shove up your nose, send to a lab somewhere and wait for your phone to ping.

Perhaps not, but in Westminster Hall on April 17th, approximately 1 hour 40 minutes into the WHO Pandemic Prevention and Preparedness Parliamentary debate, we were gifted with the perfect assessment tool.

To take the test, read this short passage, courtesy of the member for Birmingham, Edgbaston (Labour/Co-operative Party), Preet Kaur Gill:

Read these astonishing comments from a sitting MP in the UK Parliament.

Climate change and globalisation mean that natural biological threats are becoming more common… The lesson of the pandemic was that no one is safe until everyone is safe, and that global health is local health, so global co-operation on pandemic preparedness and biological threats clearly needs to be strengthened. That is why the Opposition absolutely supports the principle of a legally binding WHO treaty.

The author says:

If, as you read these words, you feel your blood pressure rising and the vessels in your neck pulsating with rage, then congratulations, your reaction is appropriate.

It certainly triggered me. Read the whole article, great analysis and observations.

A final quote from it.

Put on your double-thinking cap, because now you must accept that “global health is local health” and “climate change and globalisation mean that natural biological threats are becoming more common”. These statements are at odds with the facts.

First UNICEF, followed by GAVI, the WHO, the UN, the Council of Europe, the BMJ, the Guardian, the Financial Times, Save the Children and now the Labour Party have all told you: “No one is safe until everyone is safe.” This slogan is designed to garner ideals of equity and togetherness and induce a warm, fuzzy feeling whilst in actual fact it is cold and calculating. The ultimate purpose of this slogan is to diminish the range of your thought and to perpetuate the state of emergency. Its teaching is a top-down imposition with no grounding in reality, amplified with mantra-like repetition by many (seemingly) independent voices until it is no longer questioned by the masses. This is an insidious form of indoctrination.

The techniques employed by these sloganeers are not new and echo those of totalitarian regimes. Unless we are able to comprehend the power of this manipulation then we cannot safeguard ourselves from the danger that it poses.

We have seen this in practice over the last 3 years. It has been universal. It truly is insidious and it truly is indoctrination.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/05/05/beware-the-globalist-one-health-propaganda-merging-pandemic-and-climate-emergencies/
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May 7, 2023 10:57am
- Che Guava
  
  That is the end of any remaining sovereignty nations have. The WHO is essentially just an organisation that acts as an intermediary for oligarchic interests, but has been given an official-sounding name to legitimise it. They are erecting the architecture that will, inevitably, be used when “the next pandemic” comes along (i.e. when they declare one arbitrarily to advance their interests).
  
  There isn’t any other viable account of what is an open consolidation of power under extremely flimsy pretexts. But don’t worry, because the New World Order of globalised government tyranny is just a conspiracist’s fantasy.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “The WHO is essentially just an organisation that acts as an intermediary for oligarchic interests…”
    
    Who contributes to the WHO’s budget? (Follow the money.)
    Care of the World Economic Forum (those guys): https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/who-funds-world-health-organization-un-coronavirus-pandemic-covid-trump/
    
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    May 7, 2023 12:34pm
- artemisia
  
  ClanMcLeod, no definitely do not apologise. You are doing us a great service keeping these wider critical issues front and centre. Thank you.
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

Heard THE HOSK telling ZB’s Sunday host, “How pleased he was that Rishi Sunak was actually shorter than him” and….. “was a bit pissed off that it started to rain. The soles of his new leather shoes got soaking wet”

LOL!
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May 7, 2023 11:11am
- thirteenstars
  
  He’s such a strange bloke.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:20am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Hosk has a way of upsetting the eternally offended and had he stood next to Khan, the miniature Mayor of London, he would have felt Goliath-like. Just discovered Mike is an Aquarian, hence his unconvential behaviour.
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! Well my birthday is Feb 14…. I’d never describe my behaviour like that.
    
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    May 7, 2023 12:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      So is Mine – 1940 in London; my Mother said that’s when they started the War !
      
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      May 7, 2023 2:07pm
BeaB

Hipkins is an embarrassment, standing gauchely with his bad haircut and bottle of Watties tomato sauce at 10 Downing St. The sausage roll PM who can’t answer a question without a ‘pre -formulated’ answer. Another glib gabbler who fudges the facts and even tells downright lies. Promoted despite his proven incompetence.
Why do we put up with it?
However we deserve what we get if we let this motley crew back into government because we can’t get our act together and vote as a united bloc.
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May 7, 2023 11:17am
- thirteenstars
  
  “Another glib gabbler who fudges the facts…”
  
  I love a little alliteration from crafty commenters.
  
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  May 7, 2023 11:31am
I remember when

Richlister queries who IR spoke to for tax report:
Rod Duke doesn’t know any richlister who took part in IRD’s survey.
“I don’t know whether this (survey) even happened.”
The project relied heavily on both tax administration data and public data sources, supplemented with additional data from high-wealth families.
A note in the Inland Revenue High Wealth Individuals research report said those included in the survey ‘COULD NOT BE CONSIDERED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TOP 1% OF WEALTHIEST NEW ZEALANDERS.’

So who was it Representative of?
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May 7, 2023 11:55am
- Ehlana
  
  You raise an interesting point. If any of the rich list families, or their accountants and lawyers, were interviewed, how is it the fact of these interviews has never been reported by any media outlet? Surely someone would have been willing to divulge the questions they were asked?
  
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  May 7, 2023 7:39pm
Ghost

Multiple people, including children, were hurt or dead after a gunman opened fire at a Texas mall Saturday — and the rampage was stopped by a police officer at the scene who killed the shooter, officials said.

At least nine people were taken to area trauma facilities in Allen, Tx., but authorities “do not have an accurate count” of the number of people hurt or killed, Allen Police Chief Brian Harvey said.

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May 7, 2023 12:20pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Only good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns
  
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  May 7, 2023 12:29pm
Bridgenag

Still waiting for the “super rich” Maori “charities” to pay their share
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May 7, 2023 12:30pm
- Paulus
  
  Never, so that is why we can never have a meaningful CGT as these Maori organisation, and there are tens of thousands of them as no Maori Iwi individually own anything, such as land – so no rates either would be exempted, as they are now as Registered Charities.
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:11pm
Swifty

Is this really the person the Dems are putting forward for the next election?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2x6HriCm2M4

Is he really the best they’ve got?
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May 7, 2023 1:06pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @swifty-
  He is the best they’ve got who is easiest to politically and personally manage, manipulate and control.
  What’s not to like?
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He is well known. The die hard Dems will vote for him. The other choice of someone who can be managed, controlled, and manipulate is Horizontal Harris.
  There you have it. Nobody else makes the grade – except HILLARY!!!!
  
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  May 8, 2023 8:11am
New Zealander

This should be a story of much greater significance than what media and politicians have decided to give it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/tauranga-city-poll-shows-people-want-an-early-council-election/TWY4IQORJBDO5ASLQHCCNARXHE/
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May 7, 2023 1:19pm
Maggie Pie

A cunning linguist?

“Co-governance is not about Maori suddenly taking over and doing to the country what the British did to us when they came here. That’s not how we are”

– Prof. Margaret Mutu (e-Tangata. 7May 2023)
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May 7, 2023 1:49pm
- Paulus
  
  In 1840 there were only, as reported, about 30,000 Maori in the whole of the Country, and they signed the Treaty to stop killing and eating each other, as they requested of QueenVictoria.
  No, they did not invent the wheels either.
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Been watching Sky News discussing the Coronation and heard someone say….. “Westminster Abbey was built in 1269. About 200 years before Maori arrived in New Zealand”.
    
    Incredible, eh?
    
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    May 7, 2023 3:00pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Paulus: There were reportedly about 60,000 Maori before the Musket Wars…which I am told is not even mentioned in the latest school history curriculum…Thank God both my children are safely out of high school…
    
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    May 7, 2023 9:56pm
- Swifty
  
  Maori doing what the British did would be a darn sight better than what Maori did to each other before the British arrived.
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:22pm
- sirknz
  
  Am I to take it then that she is for enslaving and killing people then eating them?
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think Mutu is the Academic who wanted 6 year old children to vote, both local and general.
  Or, maybe I just got that wrong. If so, I appologise and withdraw that comment.
  
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  May 8, 2023 8:18am
Ghost

Bloody hell

“Starting in 2024, films will be required to meet new inclusion standards to be eligible for the Academy Awards for ‘Best Picture.’ They’ll have to have a certain percentage of actors or crew from under-represented racial or ethnic groups.”

Richard Dreyfuss blasts Hollywood inclusion standards: ‘They make me vomit’
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May 7, 2023 2:11pm
- sirknz
  
  There’s not much worth paying for out of Hollyweird today, in fact I can’t really remember the last movie I paid to go and see.
  
  I doubt that diversity hires will add much of value to any production they are attached to, and certainly not enough to warrant me paying to go and see anything at the cinema.
  
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  May 7, 2023 2:35pm
- [email protected]
  
  If you run a business you hire the best people qualified to do the jobs than need doing.
  
  If you’re required to hire people based on their professed gender, color of their skin, religious preferences, etc. then you might be able to compete with other businesses saddled with the same restrictions but you won’t be able to compete as an exporter.
  
  You won’t even be able to compete nationally with importers that buy from overseas companies not required to do so.
  
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  May 7, 2023 7:13pm
Swifty

I dunno guys, I reckon some of the recent comments from Labour MPs concerning overstaying, dawn-raids etc are coming close to them encouraging people to break the law.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/489396/we-are-still-being-dawn-raided-tongan-community-leader-tells-public-meeting

For what other crimes do the government or the police promise that they won’t knock at your door before you’re up and had your breakfast?

So drug dealers or burglars or street thugs know they’ll be exempt from arrest before certain times of the day?

Overstaying is an offence. For the last few days there’s been story after story making out that overstayers are some sort of victims.

“Please, sir, just give me my piece of paper and I’ll work hard for the rest of my life…”

Translation: “Give me a pass and thereby reward me for my breaking the law and overstaying my visa, often for years, and in doing so provide a huge incentive for more overstayers abusing their privileges and breaking our laws.”

As for this amnesty crap – fuck off.

You can tell exactly what is being cooked up here and it’s Labour doing favours for the Pacific community with an election looming, or at least Labour MPs loudly promising that they will be looking into it. Hint hint. (Vote for us and we’ll look into it even harder.)

Why is it that not once have I ever seen or heard Sua William Sio or any other so-called Pacific community leaders strongly calling for Pacific people to follow the damn law and to honour their pledges to depart the country before their visas expire?

And to not overstay! There are legal channels for immigration, they can bloody well use them, like everyone else.

I tell you what’s shameful, and it’s not holding overstayers accountable for lying to and deceiving us and not keeping their promises – it’s Pacific overstayers, and their enablers, who are lying and cheating their way into the country and then crying ‘victim’ when they are held to account.
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May 7, 2023 3:01pm
- artemisia
  
  Said to be thousands of overstayers here. Maybe they are all working and paying tax. And if staying in social housing maybe their incomes are being properly reported for income related rent.
  
  Or maybe not.
  
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  May 7, 2023 3:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  THIS BIT –
  “An overstayer at the meeting, who cannot be named to protect is identity, shared his story with Immigration Minister Michael Wood”
  
  LOL!!
  
  I now what my partner would have said if he was here…..”So wasn’t the law breaking pr*ck arrested on the spot?”
  
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  May 7, 2023 3:13pm
Ghost

I wonder if the school has heard of 111, where they can call up and get an ambulance, instead of telling the family they need to take him somewhere that will see him urgently

A 16-year-old student got knocked out by another teenager at an Auckland school on Friday afternoon.

The incident happened at Mount Roskill Grammar School, and was filmed by a student that gathered around the fight.

In the video, a group of teenagers could be seen in what appeared to be one of the school’s corridors.

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May 7, 2023 3:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  That is just sooo dreadful Ghost!
  Imagine having to send your kids THERE 🙁
  It’s something you never read happening in the Auckland-Grammar-Zone. No wonder it adds about 20% to the value of homes around here.
  
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  May 7, 2023 4:12pm
- Che Guava
  
  Syrian teen punched for no reason by a fellow student; there is video of the incident, which apparently the article’s author has seen as events are described; no video posted; links to other videos of school assaults on this page. Interesting, and invites conclusions.
  
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  May 7, 2023 4:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Schools have a duty of care to their pupils.
  
  That includes:
  (1) keeping them safe from assaults
  (2) Providing them with first-aid/ emergency assistance if needed.
  
  There’s something peculiar with how the media are handling this story… When RNZ first reported the assault, they gave the name of the brother of the assault victim….. a very memorable Moslem name.
  
  Now they are trying to fudge facts by calling the victim “Sean”.
  
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  May 7, 2023 5:46pm
  - MCōs
    
    At the foot of that particular article is a note
    “Student’s name was changed to protect privacy”
    
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    May 7, 2023 7:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, I am aware of that…
      but that clearly wasn’t an issue when RNZ first ran the story.
      
      I suspect there is a back-story the public isn’t being told.
      
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      May 7, 2023 7:14pm
Prince

Surely it is time we had a register of ‘real Maoris’, rather than this self-naming trusting system we have now, to distribute Government largesse.
DNA testing and a country-wide register that states whether a person is Maori or not.
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May 7, 2023 3:59pm
- Che Guava
  
  Maybe they could have pop-up DNA testing, like they did with C-19 vaccination?
  
  Without some objective metric (i.e. the presence/level of Maori DNA), it’s pretty hard to have race-based distinction, because this would presuppose a way to distinguish one race from the other. On the one hand, the claim is “race isn’t real” yet on the other hand, they want to discriminate on the basis of race. Of course, when they say that “race isn’t real” what they really mean is “White people, don’t have a collective identity.” In contrast, nobody is telling an African American that their racial identity is just a construct of the mind.
  
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  May 7, 2023 4:13pm
- Hollyfield
  
  In related news, anyone can self-identify gender in NZ, and have this changed on their birth certificate by just signing a piece of paper (and the payment of a small fee of course). Changes to the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Act 2021: https://www.dia.govt.nz/bdmreview#improved-process
  
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  May 7, 2023 5:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Climate Change. Global Cooling? 43 minutes.
When a person retires they can now talk about things that were controlled by the donors – no shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_B10L9bV18
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May 7, 2023 4:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry, it is David Dilley
  
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  May 7, 2023 4:27pm
greybeard

Alison Mau and Sharon Murdoch must be the most vile pair of people in NZ.
They reek of jealousy for people who have done better than them.
They hate men, the Monarchy, the National Party, personal success, conservative thinkers and just about everyone else.
I thank God they are not my relatives and that they are not my neighbours.
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May 7, 2023 4:59pm
Swifty

Tax whitey more!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12053403/Denver-councilwoman-calling-white-businesses-taxed-pay-reparations-black-businesses.html?ico=amp-comments-viewall#article-12053403

Free money! Yay!
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May 7, 2023 7:32pm
- Ehlana
  
  And here I thought slaves were black people, not black businesses.
  
  I wonder how many other 37 year old Democrats believe “taxes from a business improvement district are ‘voluntary.'”
  
  And I wonder what future San Francisco has if this is the quality of thinking there: “a panel called The African American Reparations Advisory Committee has spent two years working on a proposal for the city.
  
  Their suggestions – 111 in total – include a $5 million lump sum given to every eligible black person; a $1 house; and a $97,000-a-year guaranteed income for 250 years.”
  
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  May 7, 2023 7:47pm
  - Swifty
    
    I am genuinely interested in the thinking behind this Ehlana.
    
    This fantastical reparation talk, as you say, $millions and millions per qualifying individual, is spreading around the States and at pace.
    
    I’ve seen some of the proponents interviewed and they plainly admit they’ve given not a single moment of thought as to either how it will be paid, or the effects on the economy, the social effects etc should it be paid. There has been no thought to practical implementation and resultant consequences.
    
    But still they claim “it’s the right thing to do.”
    
    I can understand some few extremists, nutters or race-grifters calling for this (anything to get attention) but to see actual elected representatives throwing their hat in too is just unbelievable.
    
    This is just nuts. It’s insane. They’ve lost all grasp with reality.
    
    Good grief, the quality of leadership in the States on show recently is just appalling.
    
    They’ve lost their minds. It’s like they actually WANT massive social division, WANT economic ruin, WANT a civil war.
    
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    May 7, 2023 8:17pm
Ghost

This made me laugh

Mr Blobby SLIMES Simon Cowell!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTeRrvtyh5s
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