General Debate 29 August 2022
HDPA writes:
Christchurch City Council deserves a public bollocking for trying to keep information secret this week.
The information in question was the 30-year draft Christchurch Transport Plan.
It could be controversial. Most transport plans nowadays are. Especially when they propose what this plan does. Reducing city speed limits to 30km per hour. Road pricing charges (even when the council admits “congestion is not currently a major problem in Christchurch”). Charging for CBD car parks when 79 per cent of parks are currently free.
Council staff were clearly worried it would anger the public. They warned the plan might be “presented out of context”. So they wanted to keep its contents hidden. Staff admitted they had “no applicable grounds for withholding” the draft plan. But they were going to try anyway.
It wasn’t only council staff in on this. So were some councillors.
Mike Davidson who chairs the council’s urban development and transport committee was worried it would be confusing to the public.
He didn’t think it was wise to release the report during the “funny season” for councils. The funny season is the election period. Better, he said, to “park it and let the new council decide”.
With that one remark, Davidson probably revealed the real motivation for keeping the document secret. For councillors, the risk of losing council seats. For council staff, the risk of their plan being scuppered by angry ratepayers.
Sums up everything wrong with the current culture at Christchurch City Council.
In the end, we do know what is in that plan. Two councillors – Phil Mauger and Aaron McKeown – went to the media to force the council to ‘fess up. They were, in turn, accused of scaremongering and pulling an “election stunt”. Of course that’s what they did. But an election stunt is a lesser crime than trying to hide information during an election period.
Those who tried to hide the plan deserve public opprobrium.
They’d do well to remember they work for the ratepayers. And ratepayers would do well to remember that too, and use their votes accordingly.
Vote for Councillors who don’t try to hide things from the public.
NewstalkZB reports:
A recent briefing to incoming police minister Chris Hipkins detailed how youth prosecutions had halved since 2017 with more referrals and non-court solutions being reached when young people broke the law.
In 2021, 64 per cent of youth offending was addressed through non-court action.
In the same year, more 15 to 19-year-olds were apprehended for burglary than any other age group, with 10 to 14-year-olds the second-highest age group.
So they have stopped prosecuting young offenders and the result is that the the average burglar is a teenager!
Brad Moss at The Daily Beast writes:
I have finally seen enough. Donald Trump will be indicted by a federal grand jury.
You heard me right: I believe Trump will actually be indicted for a criminal offense. Even with all its redactions, the probable cause affidavit published today by the magistrate judge in Florida makes clear to me three essential points:
(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.
(2) He was put on notice by the U.S. Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.
(3) He continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month.
That is the ball game, folks.
Moss makes the point that all Trump had to do was hand over all the classified documents when asked to. But he refused, and his lawyer lied to NARA and said they had all been returned.
Moss is a lawyer specialising in national security issues. If he is right, it will be a fascinating trial.
Stuff reports:
A new programme designed to help Māori recover faster from injury is being piloted at the University of Auckland.
I hope the pilot will be independently evaluated.
Named Ngākau Oho, the university and ACC programme aims to implement rongoā Māori (traditional healing practices) in mainstream healthcare systems in Aotearoa.
Rongoā Māori is the name of a number of traditional Māori healthcare practices and remedies to cure ailments and injuries.
Passed down through generations of whānau and hapū, rongoā Māori involves physical, mental and spiritual therapy.
Ngākau Oho includes online and in-person wānanga on rongoā Māori, including the use of medicinal native plants, romiromi (body alignment), maramataka (relationships to the lunar calendar) meditation and mahi tinana (body movement).
Why are we treating Maori as second class citizens who get lunar healing foisted on them, rather than therapy that actually is proven to work?
It is quite possible that certain plants will have medicinal benefits. Meditation and body alignment and movement can be useful also. I have no issue with those.
But to have the Government funding injury recovery based on the lunar calendar is akin to them funding astrology as careers advice.
Chief Human Rights Commissioner Paul Hunt writes:
Last week, as part of the Human Rights Commission’s housing inquiry, I highlighted that many renters are having to make trade-offs between their fundamental human rights, such as the right to adequate food and the right to a decent home.
Renters are also unfairly burdened with enforcing the government’s tenancy laws.
I suggested two short-term initiatives: a freeze on rent increases and an increase to the accommodation supplement.
So the Human Rights Commission wants to return to Muldoon style economics with a rent freeze.
There is 50 years of economic research that shows rent freezes or controls leads to fewer houses being available for renting. So in fact the HRC is campaigning to increase homelessness in New Zealand.
The Herald reports:
NZ First leader Winston Peters has ruled out – kind of – working with the Labour Party after the 2023 election.
Peters made a speech attacking Labour for its co-governance policies. The speech ended with Peters saying he would “never” work with any party “whose policies threaten … fundamental rights” – a hint that Labour would have to drop those policies if he were to work with them after the next election. …
Speaking to the Herald, Peters would not explicitly rule out Labour, but implied it would be very difficult to work with the party again.
“We were in government for three years. There were matters which were clearly not disclosed to me or my party – He Puapua and going to Ihumatao.
“Since the election you have seen the emergence of what are clearly race-based policies and a pathway to apartheid – there’s no other word for it.
“They’ve ruled themselves out as far as we’re concerned,” Peters said of Labour.
Winston’s best chance of making it back is through opposition to co-governance. But to succeed, he will need to convince people that he won’t put Labour and Greens into power again, as he did in 2017.
George RR Martin writes:
He emerged as one of the world’s leading defenders of free speech, which only deepened my admiration for him. Freedom of speech is a central pillar of our democracy, and every other democracy in the world. There is nothing, but nothing, that I believe in more strongly.
And these days freedom of speech needs defenders, for when I look around, I find it under attack everywhere. Blacklisting, cancel culture, libraries being closed or defunded, classic works of literature being banned or bowdlerized or removed from classrooms, an ever growing list of “toxic” words the mere utterance of which is now forbidden no matter the context or intent, the erosion of civility in discourse. Both the Rabid Right and the Woke Left seem more intent on silencing those whose views they disagree with, rather than besting them in debate. And the consequences for those who dare to say things deemed offensive have been growing ever more dire; jobs lost, careers ended, books cancelled, “deplatforming.”
And now, it seems, attempted murder.
The ultimate form of cancel culture!
I don’t know Salman Rushdie, as I said. That cannot be helped. There’s not much I can do for him… except to hope that he makes a full recovery, or as much of a recovery as he can possibly make, given his injuries… or maybe I should call them wounds. For that is what they are, wounds received in battle in a war he has been fighting most of his life, a war for freedom of speech, for art, for compassion.
I don’t know Salman Rushdie’s work either, however… and THAT is something I can do something about. I just placed an order for copies of THE SATANIC VERSES, MIDNIGHT’S CHILDREN, and several of his other books. And I have instructed the managers at Beastly Books, my little bookshop here in Santa Fe, to order every Rushdie title presently in print. Beastly is not an ordinary general interest bookshop (Santa Fe has several of those); almost of the books it stocks are autographed. They carry my own titles, of course, along with books by the authors who have appeared at Beastly Books and the Jean Cocteau Cinema over the years for signings, interviews, readings, and other events. Rushdie’s books would not previously have been on our shelves, no more than those of thousands of other writers who we have never hosted. But that’s changing, as of today. From here on, we will be stocking everything Rushdie wrote…
The man who rushed on stage in Chautauqua with knife in hand wanted to do more than murder Salman Rushdie. He wanted to silence him.
Well, fuck that. I say, let his voice be heard.
I hope that all of you reading this will join me.
What a great idea. I have just purchased a Kindle version on Amazon. Let’s send sales skyrocketing.

Great quote.
A guest post by Jordan Williams:
If you’re in the 85% of New Zealander’s who don’t smoke, or 95% of younger people now smokefree – you’d be forgiven for thinking “tobacco laws, no impact on me”.
Well, not so fast, you virtuous fresh-air breather. Let us recap the latest dystopian, desperate policies this Labour Government are hell-bent on bestowing on everyday New Zealanders.
For a government so deeply committed to breathing new life to Ronald Reagan’s failed war on drugs, they would do well to remember his other advice – the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, “I’m from the Government and I’m here to help”.
Could a cause as noble as reducing smoking drive a fundamental reshaping of communities’ and the next explosion of thriving black market crime? Prohibitionist policies have consequences for wider society.
Hard-working neighbourhood dairies and convenience stores gone, closed for good. Replaced by tinny houses for cigarettes a new boom-time for the usual benefactors of prohibition – organized criminal gangs. Many imported from across the ditch and bringing their smuggling connections with them, look set to receive a $2 billion dollar payday on top of the current $270 million of evaded tax each year.
But let’s start with the ‘good’ – credit where it’s due and all of that.
The Bad – the emperor has no clothes.
The downright Ugly
This is the epitome of the Labour Government’s ideological fantasy – grab headlines around the world, but with absolutely flawed, faulty policy which treats Kiwis as guinea pigs.
It would be remiss not to mention the winners in all this. Customs New Zealand have been sounding the alarm for years now. A “booming tobacco black market increasingly operated by organized crime”, the proceeds of which fund drug smuggling, money-laundering and other nefarious activity.
Can’t be arsed driving 40kms to the one surviving tobacco retailer? No worries, the local tinny house should have you covered.
Just turned 21 and fancy a cigar and whiskey with your old man? Nope, that’s “smoked tobacco” so either make it a birthday trip to Cuba, or you’ll have to deal with the gangs for that one too.
Regular hard-working Kiwi who still enjoys a smoko break? Yeah, Nah. You won’t be able to get legal ciggies anymore, not with the nicotine you want. So off to see those nice friendly black-market smugglers for a discount carton in its fully branded glory.
Welcome to the future, the Government is here to help. All 400,000 of you still smoking will magically quit overnight with vaping or cold turkey. Prohibition is what you needed all along.
Even the Government’s own Cabinet Papers include warnings of escalating criminality, black-market supply, mental health consequences and even family violence. Not to mention the explosion of violent ram-raids concentrated on the lucky winners of 500 tobacco licenses.
With such a long list of highly likely negative outcomes stacked against it, it all seems a bit bonkers.
Kind of reminds me of that other law rammed through recently which did nothing except prevent young first-home buyers from getting a mortgage. Labour was warned about that one too.
Nicola Willis discovered some interesting stats under the OIA:
Readers may be interested in the results of an August poll where Curia asked 1,200 NZers:
In response to the high level of inflation in New Zealand, do you think the Government
should be increasing its spending, decreasing its spending or keeping its spending at
the same level?
The results were a plurality of 45% want Government spending to decrease, with only 12% wanting it to increase and 27% to stay the same.
Even Labour voters wanted it to decrease more than increase – 27% decrease, 13% increase and 49% keep the same.
Also asked was:
Would you support or oppose the Government giving every family a temporary 12 month
reduction in their overall income tax by 10%, to help families with the increased cost of
living?
A massive 59% of Kiwis said they would support an across the board 10% reduction in income tax, with only 26% opposed.
And who was most in favour of tax cuts? Labour voters!
They were 68% in favour and only 23% opposed.
So what New Zealanders want is a Government that will cut taxes and cut spending.
A guest post from a reader:
Publishing tax debt is not a good idea … it is a great idea.
Businesses in New Zealand rely on information in order to make trading decisions. Information is obtained by word of mouth and on publicly accessible platforms such as printed newspapers and websites.
Deciding who to trade with and when to cease trading and or change terms of trade (such as cash on supply) is one critical area where a business relies on quality, reliable information in order to make sound trading decisions. Use of signed terms of trade that allow the business to access a customer’s financial information such as credit reports is one way business gets good information to assist with trading decisions. Credit reporting agencies such as Veda are a useful source of information for businesses to determine if who they propose to trade with has a good credit history. Credit history can be a good indicator of how the trading relationship may go. Using Veda’s published debt information can also be useful to check up on a debtor during a trading relationship, if there is cause for concern.
A big hole in this information pipeline is the debtor’s tax debt. Historically IRD has not published individual entities tax debts. The tax secrecy laws have prevented this from happening. When businesses go bust many creditors express dismay when they see that IRD is a creditor with a large debt owed. Many businesses comment that if they had known the extent of the tax debt they would not have traded with the insolvent business or they at least would have amended the terms on which they would trade with the debtor. To rub salt into the wounds, IRD has preferential status for tax debt such as GST and PAYE, meaning they get first dibs if the liquidator or Official Assignee manages to realise some assets.
There is a glimmer of hope on the commercial horizon. Section 85N of the Tax Administration Act 1994 was inserted into the legislation on 1 April 2017. Section 85N of the Tax Administration Act 1994 allows Inland Revenue to share tax debt information with approved credit reporting agencies where the debt is over $150,000. The aim is to increase visibility of tax debt and enable more informed business decisions. Of course, in the private sector a creditor can post a debt with a credit reporting agency as soon as there is a default and no matter what the sum. IRD on the other hand is constrained by the legislation and IRD’s internal policy when determining when to publish debt.
In addition to the prescribed debt level of $150,000 tax debt, information will only be shared when:
Hmmm, a fair few hurdles to jump before IRD get to the point of actually publishing the debt. Although, the hurdles are not so different to steps a commercial operation would take. So, how is it going then?
On 24 October 2017 IRD published an article entitled Auckland company becomes first to have tax debt reported. You can access the article here. Reading between the lines there are some concerning aspects to how IRD are utilising this new legislative tool.
It has taken nigh on seven months to report the first tax debt. Why so long and why only one? The article gives some hints as to why. IRD states, on the basis of one company being reported, that “the new powers have proven to be a useful deterrent for companies in a similar situation. IRD also state that “there are more cases in the pipeline, which meet the same criteria as the company in Auckland.” What this seems to mean is that IRD are taking interim steps to secure payment and avoid the risk of debt being published rather than just going ahead and publishing tax debt once the criteria are met. That is their prerogative. The publishing of the article is probably part of this approach – make an example of one taxpayer to send a message to others, a sort of waving the stick approach.
The IRD approach is concerning. The point of the legislation was to address the issue of business being in the dark about tax debts of taxpayers they trade with and the negative impact that has on their businesses. IRD in the article refer to this issue stating “[IRD]has heard from many frustrated creditors over the years, which have done business with companies unaware they had a significant tax debt on the books.” Well, taking a piecemeal approach to publishing tax debt is not going to address this mischief or defect that the legislation was passed to remedy (that’s fancy legal speak referring to the mischief rule). IRD seem to be oblivious to the purpose of the legislation. In their article they state “anyone running a check on a company will then be able to see these [tax debt] details.” Ahh, no they won’t. If a uniform and concerted approach to publishing all taxpayer tax debt that meets the criteria is not taken business will be no better off than they are now. They may even be worse off. If they rely on credit reports where publishable tax debt is not published then they will be misled and lulled into a false sense of security.
It gets worse. IRD go on to state “this is how debt reporting happens in the commercial world so it’s good for us as government debt collectors to have this ability too.” With respect, this is not how it happens in the commercial world.
How does the commercial world operate? If we are honest about it the commercial world operates fairly inconsistently. However, the savvy operators actually take a similar approach to what the legislation requires IRD to do (but without caps on debt level). They set a period after which debt is enforced, say 120 days overdue. They ensure it is not disputed and they are usually open to setting up some sort of arrangement to sort the debt. After taking reasonable debt collection approaches they also usually put the debtor on notice that the debt will be published or they use an alternative notice such as a bankruptcy notice or statutory demand. This notifies that the debt is being enforced to bankruptcy or liquidation, as the case may be. The other critical thing they do is act consistently. Step by step working the debt and doing what they threaten, publishing all defaulters. There is no point waving a stick if you are not prepared to beat someone with it – in a commercial sense that is. The savvy commercial approach ensures other creditors become aware as debt is published with credit reporting agencies and notices of intention to bankrupt or liquidate are published.
Of the IRD criteria (see points (a) to (f) above) you would expect there to be a large number of taxpayers (who meet the necessary debt level) that already tick all the boxes apart from being served notice of intention to publish. It would not be difficult for IRD to extract all these taxpayers that meet the (a) to (e) criteria, serve them with a 30 day intention to publish notice (criteria (f)) and then publish taxpayer debt for those taxpayers that don’t sort their debt by payment or agreed instalment arrangement within that notice period. Voila, all done. And going forward, any taxpayer that meets the criteria in future gets the same notice and opportunity to sort their debt before it is published.
If that approach were taken by IRD the business community would be well placed in making commercial trading decisions with regard to taxpayers (companies and individuals) who have significant outstanding tax debt. There are other benefits from taking this approach. IRD will collect more tax debt more efficiently. Many of these taxpayers will sort their tax debt either during the notice period or after the tax debt is published. If they can’t the path to bankruptcy or liquidation, as the case may be, will shorten. As grim as that may seem it is a good thing that the commercial world would welcome.
It is also highly likely that other creditors now aware of the tax debt position of the taxpayer will take their own steps to liquidate or bankrupt for debts owed to them. Currently, IRD bears the cost of most liquidation and bankruptcy applications in New Zealand. This is largely due to other creditors simply being unaware of the tax debt of the taxpayer and the taxpayer’s overall financial position. Unfortunately, it does not look like IRD will operate like the “commercial world” as they claim. IRD instead state in the article that “[they] hope businesses will make the appropriate effort to clear their tax debt so that we don’t have to use this tactic more often.” With that debt collection tactic approach, and what looks like a company tax debt only approach, it looks like the glimmer of hope on the horizon will fade away and business will remain largely in the dark with respect to the tax debts of the people they trade with.
Sean Walters writes about a proposed change to contractor recruitment by the Government :
Now I have sympathy for the industry that one month is far too short a time to implement such a massive change.
But as a taxpayer I am all in favour of this change. A huge amount of taxpayer money goes to contractor recruitment companies, even when they don’t do the recruitment.
It seems that many government agencies are not set up to “employ” contractors directly. So any contractors have to be contracted through and paid through a recruitment company.
What this means is that the recruitment company gets paid around $20,000 to invoice the Government and pay the contractor, even when the Government agency found the contractor themselves. They get paid the same for a contractor that the agency recruits as they do for one the recruitment company recruits.
It’s fair enough to pay a fair whack to a recruitment company when they have invested in having a pool of contractors on their books. But to pay them the same amount for what is simply a purely administrative function – pay them and invoice us, is wasteful.
In this edition of Taxpayer Talk, the focus is on education. With literacy and numeracy standards falling dramatically across the country, long-time educator Alwyn Poole has just finished some extensive research to find which are our most successful schools academically. Using the percentage of students leaving school with University Entrance grades, the results may surprise and shock you. How come a Decile 1 school in South Auckland can produce better results than many far more affluent schools? Why do Catholic schools produce such good results? Does the Ministry of Education really care about falling academic standards?
Then on the Political Panel, former MP and Cabinet Minister Maurice Williamson and Taxpayer Union co-founder David Farrar talk about Parliament as a place to work, and is bullying in 2022 really just a stern talking to in 1992? And host Peter Williams responds to some of your correspondence received at [email protected]
Taxpayer Talk with Peter Williams and Alwyn Poole
For the Education System data that is discussed contact: [email protected] … every taxpayer should know the effect of their money being spent.
Personally I think this makes her seem relatable. Just because she is PM doesn’t mean she can’t enjoy herself at a party and dancing and singing and drinking at parties is what normal people do.
And on the policy side she is taking her country from decades of neutrality into joining NATO – have to like that.
The Court of Appeal has ruled the following in relation to the shooting of Steven Wallace by Constable Abbott:
It’s been 22 years since the shooting and the reality remains the same. If you don’t want to be shot by the Police, don’t advance on them with a baseball bat.
Paul Goldsmith writes:
Labour’s Māori Development Minister, Willie Jackson, infamously said on Q&A recently that the nature of our democracy has changed. He’s backed it up in a New Zealand Herald opinion piece declaring, “We live in a new democracy”, while stating that politicians questioning the changes are engaging in “racist dog-whistles”.
So it is racist to defend our current democracy!
When did we, as a country, decide that the Treaty trumps democracy? We haven’t.
The idea of equal suffrage – equal voting rights, regardless of gender, class and ethnicity – has been a pillar of our democracy for decades. Remember Kate Sheppard? All New Zealanders should have an equal say in who governs them; an equal say in appointing the people that make the decisions that affects their lives.
Equally fundamental to our system is the ability to throw poor performers out at the next election – that is the bedrock accountability in our democracy. But not under this Bill. Ngai Tahu’s representatives could never be thrown out.
We are heading towards a Fiji Style Great Council of Chiefs type rule.
If we as a country no longer think that equal voting rights apply at one level of government, pressure will build for change in national elections.
I can’t think of a more divisive agenda for any government to run.
The Maori Party are very open that they want Parliament to not have equality of suffrage, but instead to be 50/50 based on race. At least they are honest about it. We don’t know what Labour is planning as they won’t tell us.
In the absence of any comments from the Prime Minister on the topic, New Zealanders can rightly conclude it is the agenda of the Labour Party to change our democracy away from equal voting rights and accountability to one that points to two classes of citizens.
If Jacinda Ardern and her government Ministers no longer think that Kiwis should have equal voting rights, then they should make the case and ask New Zealanders whether they agree.
A referendum would be a good idea, in preference to this altering democracy by stealth.
The WORST schools in each decile!
I have spent the last month acquiring and processing significant data on the leavers of every high school in New Zealand – with great help from the good people at Education Counts. This is far more important than the cohort data (by Year level) that comes out in February.
Last week on Kiwiblog I highlighted the top school in each decile in NZ. Many of these are breaking the link we are told exists that means that schools just can’t succeed with some kids. This week I am contrasting them to the bottom school in each Decile.
I have chosen not to name the bottom schools – not for the adults involved but through consideration for the attending children.
The comparison for schools in each decile is by University Entrance achievement (schools with 75 or more students) and retention.
All measure are for LEAVERS across year levels.
Top: Decile 10: Diocesan School for Girls
UE at 96.6% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 2.7%.
Bottom Decile 10: Anonymous – relatively new – $50m+ build/development
UE at 39.8% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 15.8%.
Top Decile 9: Woodford House
UE at 96.2% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 3.8%.
Bottom Decile 9: Anonymous
UE at 30.8% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 24%.
Top Decile 8. St Peter’s College (Epsom)
UE at 89.8% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 3.3%.
Bottom Decile 8: Anonymous
UE at 28% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 29.3%
Top Decile 7: Marist College (Auckland)
UE at 89.4% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 0.9%.
Bottom Decile 7: Anonymous
UE at 12.2% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 34.4%
Top Decile 6: St Catherine’s (Kilbirnie)
UE at 73.7% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 0.0%.
Bottom Decile 6: Anonymous
UE at 13.6% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 40.9%.
Top Decile 5: Manukura (Palmerston North)
UE at 76.5% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 17.3%.
Bottom Decile 5: Anonymous
Three schools with UE at 0.0% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 25+%
Top Decile 4: Selwyn College (Auckland)
UE at 70.5% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 9.6%.
Bottom Decile 4: Anonymous
Two schools with UE at 0.0% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 30%
Top Decile 3: Zayed College for Girls (very closely followed by Auckland
Girls Grammar)
UE at 70% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 0.0%.
Bottom Decile 3: Anonymous
Two schools with UE at 0.0% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 50%
Top Decile 2: St Paul’s College (Ponsonby)
UE at 84.1% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 4.5%.
Bottom Decile 2: Anonymous
Two schools on 1.4% (including the high school I attended) and one with UE at 0.0% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 40+%
Top Decile 1: McAuley High School (Otahuhu)
UE at 65.8% for leavers. Leaving before 17yo – 3.9%.
Bottom Decile 1: Anonymous
One school with UE at 1.7% for leavers and two on 0.0% (all Northland). Leaving before 17yo – 50%
These gaps are astonishing and inexcusable. They cause incalculable harm.
The key systemic takeaways:

The information is of high value educationally and has taken a considerable amount of time and expertise. I can make it available for use within a school (under copyright) or professional organisation at a relatively small price.
For personal use happy to supply on a donation basis.
Please email me for details: [email protected]
On Nine to Noon, Neale Jones said:
I worked for some pretty unpopular Labour leaders and I can tell you that is a very bad sign. David Shearer never went into net negative off memory, I think Andrew Little may have dropped once for one poll into net negative, and David Cunliffe was quite frequently in the negatives.
This is absolutely not the case. Not only did every Labour Opposition Leader pre-Ardern have net negatives for favourability, they were not a statistically insignificant -1%, but were heavily underwater.

Phil Goff started off positive until April 2009 and then went seriously underwater. He hit the depths of -45% in mid 2011.
David Shearer also started off positive and stayed above 0% until July 2012. He hit a low of -28% in July 2013 but had recovered to -10% when he was rolled.
David Cunliffe never got positive and his nadir was an unimaginable -52% after he lost the 2014 election but declared he wanted to stay on.
And far from Andrew Little only once dipping below 0%, he only once dipped above 0%. Little stayed positive until only March 2015 and he spent two years underwater and also ended up on -28%.
The hundreds of thousands of people listening to Nine to Noon will have been totally misled by that statement.
This may surprise many, but I actually like Trevor Mallard, our new Ambassador to Ireland. Like does not mean approve of everything he says or does, but we have had a friendly relationship for over 15 years. That revelation is probably enough to get me booted out of National, and possibly vice-versa for Trevor.
I first started to have interactions with Trevor when he was a frontbench Minister in the Clark Government and I was a new blogger. I was surprised to get e-mails from him pointing out minor errors in a post etc. I was bemused that the No 4 or 5 Minister in the Government had enough spare time to be reading Kiwiblog.
Since then over almost 20 years we have had a friendly relationship with semi-regular texts, calls and e-mails on issues of shared interest such as Standing Orders and the like. We’ve had conversations which rely on trust in each other to not repeat them, and speaking purely for myself I’ve never had a bad encounter with Trevor.
Now this is not to say I have agreed with all or even most of what he has done I had been outraged, along with many others, from time to time and have even let off the odd curse. Most people in National probably feel towards Trevor, what people in Labour felt towards Murray McCully.
I agree with what Audrey Young once wrote about him as Speaker – there were parts he was excellent at, and parts where his temper and dislike of certain MPs meant he was not. But on issues of making Parliament run better, I do think he made many improvements and would have liked to have seen him Chair the latest Standing Orders review.
So I do wish him well for the posting to Ireland, and hope the new Speaker manages a less antagonistic relationship with the Opposition and Opposition leaders.