More poll rigging for Labour
Labour can’t win in the real polls, so once again they are rigging the online polls.
Does everyone remember the story in the Dom Post a few months ago about how parliamentary staffers tried to rig a poll on John Key by casting 14,000 or so votes against John Key.
Well it has happened again. Peter McC noted last night at 7.15 pm that a poll on the Stuff homepage had National at 55% and Labour at 22% and Greens at 6%. Now a couple of hours later it was National at 34% and Labour at 35% and Greens at 15%.In those two hours Labour gained at least 3,500 votes.
And he kept watching and in the next five minutes Labour gained another 400 votes.
Now of course this time the poll rigging might not have been from parliamentary machines, but as they did last time, Fairfax should investigate which IP addresses were responsible, and publish this info. Also they really should get a poll script which prevents multiple voting.
You know there are times I’m glad we don’t use Diebold voting machines in NZ. I could just see them declaring universal satisfaction with the Government every election!
May 29th, 2007 at 7:44 am
A distorted reality they live in where they have to resort to these dangerously depraved tactics.
After all this is not a scientific poll, they should focus on listening to the people they are elected to serve rather than rigging this poll to suit their own wonts.
May 29th, 2007 at 7:45 am
It’s amazing that Labour still don’t get it. Part of the reason they are down in the polls is that they don’t seem to be able to tell the difference between right and wrong. Anything can be sacrificed at the altar of political expediency.
And with this latest act their supporters are proving it all over again.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:06 am
I remember the story a little too well – it transpired that a third of the parliamentary addresses had been spamming the site with National votes.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:16 am
The problem is that the Stuff polls use a cookie to check if you have voted or not. These are easy to clear, allowing another vote. The Herald polls don’t use cookies – I assume they use IP addresses, one vote per LAN
May 29th, 2007 at 8:27 am
Here here danyl.
David, this post sucks. Its not analysis, its partisan bullshit. Why don’t you asccuse the act party of spamming the stuff site, after all their “vote” was running at least 5x their scientific poll rate, for quite some time.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:29 am
Typical, the left hold themselves up to be morally superior then resort to cheating. Why are we not surprised. I guess it goes well with the speeding, fraud, lying, drunk driving etc.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:31 am
I have noticed that Stuff polls tend to start out very conservative in the mornings and day, then swing left later in the day. (After all the same poll had National on an unlikely 65% around midday.) There are some plausible explanations as to why this swing may occur….perhaps most left wing voters are too busy being productive in the day time to be clicking online polls.
May 29th, 2007 at 8:40 am
Speaking of Diebold, they make the Kiwibank cash machines!
May 29th, 2007 at 8:55 am
“There are some plausible explanations as to why this swing may occur….perhaps most left wing voters are too busy being productive in the day time to be clicking online polls.
”
So what your really saying is left wingers cant multi-task….
May 29th, 2007 at 8:59 am
LOL Redbaiter
More likely the left-voting bloc haul their bludging, benefit-collecting backsides out of bed in the afternoon to vote, rather than being out in the workplace in the morning like the rest of us.
Cheers
Richard
May 29th, 2007 at 9:20 am
Danyl – actually it was around one fifth to one sixth.
Pedro – simply because they have been caught out once before. If it were not for the earlier event, I would not suggest it was organised.
If Stuff reveal the IP addresses, then that may provide a clue.
May 29th, 2007 at 9:26 am
“I remember the story a little too well – it transpired that a third of the parliamentary addresses had been spamming the site with National votes”.
And conveniently for Danyl’s little “fact”, the story has been removed from the Stuff website. Assuming its true (big assumption) that still leaves 2/3 coming from other parties. And why would Labour supporters do it again when no-one cares about Stuff polls?
May 29th, 2007 at 10:01 am
A commentator in DPF’s linked thread adds that 3400 came from National Party computers, if this is correct then the number is about 1/5.
So who do you want in government – the guys who rigged the poll or the guys who tried to rig it and failed
And, as has already been noted, ACT and the Greens also have suspiciously high numbers. Why don’t stuff just ditch their stupid online poll nonsense?
May 29th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Also they really should get a poll script which prevents multiple voting
David you should know as well as anyone that the Nats also hack online polls! The only difference is that they obviously aren’t as good at it!
Also, there is no way to make a poll full secure. Yes some are easier to hack than others (those using cookies alone, when you can easily clear them), but even with ones restricting by ip, it is not too difficult to hide or change your ip.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:21 am
don’t worry about polls just go to the local airport and see all the kiwi’s saying goodbye to this corrupt cess -pit nation !!
May 29th, 2007 at 10:41 am
Why don’t stuff just ditch their stupid online poll nonsense?
Hear hear.
In fact, why bother publishing polls at all. Our society is obsessed with opinion polls.
Who is the most trusted New Zealander?
What is the most trusted brand?
Who is the greatest sports person?
Who is the sexiest woman?
Who is the dummest kid?
Who is the ugliest man?
What is the best flavour of ice-cream?
Is evolutionary theory a fraud?
text 666 for no, text 777 for yes.
Does god exist?
Text 777 for yes.
Remember the snake worm?
That is how we ended up with Peter Dunne.
D4J, NZ is one of the best countries to live in on this earth. We’re not perfect, but no country is.
May 29th, 2007 at 10:52 am
National supporters I am sure are just as guilty of being shall we say enthusiastic voters.
But both with the last poll, and with this one, the suspicion is someone has set up a script, which is pushing the bounds of a fair competition.
I agree the polls are meaningless, but when media organisations run them on their front page, some people take them seriously.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:03 am
“NZ is one of the best countries to live in on this earth.’
Exactly how many other countries have you lived in Andrew? (Not holidayed in, but LIVED in?) Just need to know the basis of your comparison.
May 29th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Andrew B “D4J, NZ is one of the best countries to live in on this earth. We’re not perfect, but no country is.”
Our child abuse statistics are appalling ? How can you say that , please try and think of our vulnerable children !!
May 29th, 2007 at 11:26 am
But both with the last poll, and with this one, the suspicion is someone has set up a script, which is pushing the bounds of a fair competition.
I think everyone should run scripts on these online polls… maybe it would teach media organisations not to use online polls! They are extremely misleading… and despite their disclaimers that only people reading the site vote and therefore they are unscientific, people do still take them seriously.
Without using a script the results are still totally unreliable. Even if each person could only vote once, the results can still be skewed easily for example by emailing everyone you know and telling them to vote!
May 29th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
The online poll can be rigged but the other polls are too damn consistent for the online one to matter. Indeed rigging that poll is probably counter productive.
May 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Those online polls are bullshit. They should be taken with an absolute grain of salt.
As a leftie (and I assume if you’re on the right too), you can guarantee that when there’s an online “favourite party” poll that you’ll be bombarded with email reminders to go and vote. The fact that you can vote more than once makes it a total farse!
May 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Pffft, NZ might be a nice country to live in but saying it is one of the best cntries on earth is pushing it. Granted I am living in London and miss bits of NZ more now than I did back home, but there are far better and more beutiful countries out there mate.
Once we rid NZ of Clark and co then it would be even nicer
May 29th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
This may just be a 4 runner to what Labour would do in a real election. Maybe H Clark got some advice on vote rigging from Arroyo?
May 29th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
This may just be a 4 runner to what Labour would do in a real election. Maybe H Clark got some advice on vote rigging from Arroyo?
May 30th, 2007 at 11:47 am
You know there are times I’m glad we don’t use Diebold voting machines in NZ. I could just see them declaring universal satisfaction with the Government every election!
still don’t get it – do you?
This is what labour did with the Maorimander at the last election
That’s what corrupt practice and stolen election mean.
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