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June 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Another example of how the NZ government just do not understand the internet (in the herald today).
They are proclaiming that unemployement is at an all time low, and that there are jobs aplenty. All you need to get a job is step off the plane and the employers will grab you.
This is the website…
http://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/jobs-and-events~6.html
Foreigners ‘trust’ government websites. They will be reading and believing this misleading information.
Some govt. dept probably had a bright idea , made this website, then moved onto the next bright idea.
Typical of govt workers. Stupid people.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Is it appropriate to smack intellectually disabled adults in order to correct their behaviour? Why / why not?
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 am
Mmm, Alison Mau is back on the market…
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 am
banker-bastards..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/suck-on-our-yachtsgoldman-sachs-chief-lloyd-blankfein-says-hes-sorry-then-proceeds-to-brag-about-screwing-us-all/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:29 am
You’re not paranoid if they’re REALLY watching you:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2524921/Spooks-spied-on-high-school-revolutionaries
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 am
RIP Rob Guildford.
Extremely sad.
Thoughts to Zac and Deb.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 am
They deserved watching and still bloody do petal. the emotive language of the so called journalist did nothing to improve the perception of media bias either.
The only real issue is why the hell are people outside the law when they become politicians?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:00 am
Phool
How the fuck did the “banker bastards” “screw” you?
Your income comes from the hard work of others, you contribute NOTHING to our economy.
So please, take your faux outrage and shove it.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
# bananapants (35) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 4 Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Is it appropriate to smack intellectually disabled adults in order to correct their behaviour? Why / why not?
You get spanked this morning?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
“The only real issue is why the hell are people outside the law when they become politicians?”
It is at least interesting to note that some “subversives” have become politicians. This suggests, theoretically at least, that either all politicians should be watched
or more seriously, that those who decide who needs watching cast a wide net. Not sure I like the idea, in principle, that a Government shows official concern about people that are following their own path to Parliament.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
gee…!..about that ‘media bias’..
how about the ‘economic triumphalist’ bullshit they are currently bathing in..?
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/green-shoots-of-recovery-dont-fall-for-the-medias-economic-triumphalismgreen-shoots-are-really-yellow-weeds/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
It seems that Neville Key gets pinker by the day, now he is looking at taking Comrade Bradford’s bill out of the Ballot box and making it government business.
Given that, I think I owe those at the Labour party & EPMU staffed and funded Standard an apology, they were right all along, Key is slippery, Key is a liar and Key is not a man that can be trusted.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
“# bananapants (35) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 4 Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Is it appropriate to smack intellectually disabled adults in order to correct their behaviour? Why / why not?”
Only if you have previously agreed on a safeword before having rough sex with them.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 am
“Phool
How the fuck did the “banker bastards” “screw” you?
Your income comes from the hard work of others, you contribute NOTHING to our economy.
So please, take your faux outrage and shove it.”
…I concur…idiot…
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:11 am
“..faux outrage..”..eh bruv..?
..do you ever focus on the message there..bro/bruv/whatever..?
..happy with the goldman sachs looting/fucking of the american/global economy..eh..?
..happy that 75% of their loans were ‘sub-prime/alt a’..?
..none so blind..as the true ideologue..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
unable to think for yourself/formulate your own words there..starboard..
..riding on bruv/bro/whatever..eh..?
..impressive..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 am
1000 jobs a week lost and all John Key can do is sit on his hands.
9 day fortnight? yep, that sure helped.
Cycleway to nowhere? $50 million “allocated”, $0 spent.
Closing the wage gap with Aushtraya? He can’t even close the wage gap in Auckland.
free trade deal with USA? Yep, crucify our financial sector.
It is time this waste of space and money was thrown out on his ear and a new, communist government took over.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 am
Phool
That is not the point, I detest you implying that you are part of society, you have NO place commenting on “banker bastards” when their actions are not a lot different to yours.
They are parasites, you are a parasite, they steal from innocent people, you steal from innocent people, they make a living from the hard work of others, you make a living from the hard work of others.
Perhaps it is you who should focus on the message Phool, get out and start contributing to our economy, then and only then can you have your say, until then shut the fuck up.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
When we want to hear from a Jew hating homophobe we’ll call you jackboot, till then labout fucked it, National is fixing it.
Piss off.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
I also note that the racists have started their annual “make matariki a holiday” bullshit.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
Petal, watch them ALL.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
big bruv, join the communist revolution. All bankers are bastards. Workers arise, you have nothing to lose but your chains.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
Come on, surely someone has the intellectual nouse to actually have a real debate on this thing. Any takers? I’ll repeat the question for those who can’t read backwards.
Is it appropriate to smack intellectually disabled adults in order to correct their behaviour? Why / why not?
(Also, giving a ‘thumbs down’ to a question is kind of stupid. It’s a question, you noodle. Not a statement.)
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
Murray
What the fuck is National “fixing” mate?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
They’re not fucking it as badly as Hullen and Doc Sullen planned to.
Higher taxes and increased government spending were the answer BB?
Which isn’t to say that Key couldn’t benefit from a smack upside the head every other day.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 am
so much anger, there murray, I think you should get help.
Jew hating? how could anyone hate the “people who killed Jesus”? Just a shame they didn’t get mohammed too. Homophobe? No, I have many, many male friends. Even women frinds, too, so no, I am not afraid oh homo sapiens.
And National isn’t doing much of a job fixing anything, why they even have MPs who couldn’t get a fuck in a brothel so had to go looking at the opposition party for a root.
Or, by “fixing” do you mean Richard “the fix is in” Worth’s visits to india spruiking his private interests on the taxpayer $?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:29 am
So, Murray thinks intellectually disabled people should be smacked…?
Who else?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
Murray does seem like an angry chap. If it wasn’t for his expletive-ridden rebuttals to some (frankly, pathetic) posts here, we’d never hear from him.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
Big Bruv, history shows us that National has always been just left of the communists while in government – with the exception of the early ’90s when the great Sir Roger’s legacy and popularity forced them to promote Ruth’s policies.
What made you think they would change under Key?
I do think they are a step above the last lot though, sort of biggish govt. instead of big govt.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Is it appropriate to smack intellectually disabled adults in order to correct their behaviour? Why / why not?
Why ask such a question….eh…eh…
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
I find it immensely ironic that the avowed Statists Bradford, Locke and Delahunty are complaining about – wait for it – the State interfering in their private lives.
In the words of my generation: LOL
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
MT_Tinman
“I do think they are a step above the last lot though”
I know you are right but I sure as hell struggle to see it most days.
I had hoped that Key would treat us as adults, sadly I was wrong about that.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:50 am
bruv..is your obvious hatred of sole -parents raising a child on a dpb..
..is that related to traumas from your own childhood..?
..and you obviously totally sneer at childraising as ‘work’..
..eh..?
(that prehistoric attitude must endear you to many..eh..?
..and you advocate removing all political rights/rights of free-speech..
..from all sole-parents on dpb..eh..?
..one of natures’ ‘nice-guys’..
..aren’t you bruv..?
..a real ‘sweetie’..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nzº
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:54 am
Thanks for your contribution ovation. Such as it wasn’t.
Odly enough antisemitic bigots who the Nazis had the right idea piss me off. The only question I have it why it doesn’t make you angry.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
Starboard – because it’s an interesting question.
Intellectually disabled adults may present with challenging behaviours which pose a risk to themselves or others.
Children may as well.
Intellectually disabled adults are likely to be under the care of a parental type guardian, or otherwise the state.
Children are as well.
Intellectually disabled adults need a lot of support in their daily living.
Children need that too.
Intellectually disabled adults are not able to make important decisions about their own welfare.
Children aren’t able to do that either.
If the above premises are true, and the premise ‘parents should be able to smack children’ is true, then I can’t see any reason why caregivers shouldn’t be able to smack intellectually disabled people and individuals with low-functioning autism. But I’d be interested to see if there is a converse to that argument.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:00 am
Phool
My “hatred” is reserved for the likes of you and those who continue to bludge off the rest of us long after the temporary crisis alleviated by the DPB has passed.
Simply put Phool, you are vermin, there is no earthly reason why you have not been in work for the past ten years or so, YOUR lifestyle is one of choice, now I would never deny you that choice but I am fucked if I should be made to pay for it.
Now, given that I have answered your questions would you be so good as to answer mine;
1. Why do you think you have the right to steal from the rest of us every week?
2. What has stopped you getting a job in the last five years?
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 am
“I also note that the racists have started their annual “make matariki a holiday” bullshit”
I’m all for a holiday for Matariki. I’m also happy for Big Bruv to ignore it and go to work as usual. Who are these racists that are advocating it?
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:06 am
With respect to what National has done, it may be pertinent to mention that compared to 12 months ago-
Household debt levels have fallen
The Current Account deficit has reversed its trend and got smaller
Interest rates have fallen
The NZ dollar has depreciated
- all of these being necessary steps to correct the macro-economic imbalances that grew under Cullen.
Plus an increase in debt servicing costs has been avoided by escaping a credit-downgrade.
Unemployment levels are still below most of our trading partners.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 am
chthonlid – a bit of misattribution happening there, dear. Those things were happening anyway, as a result of the worldwide financial crisis. I know Johnny has a boyish grin which can be somewhat comforting at times, but he hasn’t actually DONE anything interesting in the past 6 months. And certainly nothing which would magically result in the outcomes you list above.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
bruv..i am fucked if i am going to waste my time arguing the dpb with you..
..just one of your grab-bag of hysterical reactionaryism (new word..!)..
..meh..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
Household debt levels have fallen Did the government pay off the debt, or is there less borrowing? Less borrowing because of lowered capacity to repay.
The Current Account deficit has reversed its trend and got smaller Another function of a shrinking economy, we can afford less
Interest rates have fallen Shame about those relying on interest to fund their retirement.
The NZ dollar has depreciated again a function of a shrinking economy.
Plus an increase in debt servicing costs has been avoided by escaping a credit-downgrade.
Yet klower interest rates (see above) see borrowing costs lower. And why should anyone pay attention to S&P? Look at their track record with Citibank, AIG, etc.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 am
Big Bruv
“It seems that Neville Key gets pinker by the day, now he is looking at taking Comrade Bradford’s bill out of the Ballot box and making it government business.”
Are you kidding?
Tell me you are kidding.
Because if that’s so, it certainly puts the Green Eggs and Ham comment of Key’s into context.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:18 am
how long have you been retired/on the pension..?
..bruv..?
.. do kiwiblog and talkback radio now fill your days..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:20 am
Quite interesting machinations in the voting of a new Speaker at Westminster.
Labour have tried to drop a poison pill into the role. A person in the Tory party with few friends, and a questionable expense trail.
However he did offer to increase the pay for MP’s up some £40k extra as a carrot to elect him. A jump from £60k.
And interestingly enough, even if he only lasts till the next election, some 10 months away he gets to claim half that copious salary for life.
He is only 46!
Westminster hasn’t learned a thing. I still think that there needs to be full transparency in NZ
Why should we believe Politicians? They don’t believe each other.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 am
“Murray: …The only question I have it why it doesn’t make you angry.”
while any persecution of people purely because of their faith, or bloodline makes me angry I really cant find it in myself to jump up and down about a troll who probably doesn’t have an opinion either way about Judaism save the fact any mention gets Israel supporters all hot under the collar on trivial internet forums.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
“bruv..i am fucked if i am going to waste my time arguing the dpb with you..”
oohh touched a nerve..eh?..eh?..
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:46 am
no starboard..
..should you care..the whole argument will be found in the feb/march kiwiblog archives ..
that was when i popped up and said..
..’hello rightwing nutbars..!..
..i am a pot-smoking ex-junkie vegan sole-dad.
..whattaya got for me….?”
it’s more ennui..than any ‘touched nerves’..
..like i say..go read it there..
..(if you can be bothered..)
..you know how it goes..!
and..
..congratulations on the increase in wordmanship..!..eh..?
..counting the ‘eh’s..?..you made five ..no six..!..words..!
..and all by yourself..too..!
..well done..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
Come on Phool, they are two simple questions, the very least you could do is answer them for me and all the other you steal from.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:52 am
Lucia
“Are you kidding?
Tell me you are kidding.”
Sadly it is true.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:54 am
Come on guys, don’t feed the troll. Philu is a despicable creature who parasitically leaches from the good working people of this country, those hearty few that remain.
You also have to feel sorry for his son. Nobody asks to be born to such a shitbag father, and he’s probably a basically good kid who, sadly, will grow up thinking that it’s not rancidly immoral to steal other people’s money to fund your own lifestyle choices.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:54 am
Philu
Bruvs right – I have had this debate with you before.
as a full time working former solo dad I’m telling you there is absolutely no good reason you cannot raise children through school and work in full paid employment.
State your reasons again…..?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
Q. Why do you think you have the right to steal from the rest of us every week?
A. Because he’s scum, a leech and parasite whose only objective in life is to sponge off other people.
Q. What has stopped you getting a job in the last five years?
A. His laziness and complete lack of drive, only matched by his preference for baking dubious goods.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
“..i am a pot-smoking ex-junkie vegan sole-dad.”…, to smoke,must have possession,to have possesion is illegal,therefore,PhilU is long term repeat offender/criminal…..those containers are starting to sound good..eh?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:15 am
big bruv – I think that Philip Ure summed it all up neatly with one of his more informed comments this morning – it read:
..meh..!
That pretty much sums Phil up, don’t you think?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
I quite like the way all the trolls gather on one thread now.
So tiring having to read through their crap on multiple threads.
Speaking of crap, normally I wouldn’t be seen dead promoting that shrine to political insanity – The Stranded, but, this is too good to miss.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you – The Return Of Millsy (starts around 10.20pm)
Priceless cheerleader of the left. Blood in the streets and all that.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 am
Who here can formulate a logical argument? Anyone? Or are you all just farting into cyberspace to see what happens?
I walked past a table at a restaurant the other day and overhead the following conversation:
“…..kiwiblog”
“is that where all those old talkback callers who have worked out how to use a computer go to die?”
“yup”.
And then:
“sometimes I look at that website just to see what that guy redbaiter is saying”.
“I think he’s my grandfather”.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
Big Bruv,
Yeah. I looked it up. And wrote a post on it.
John Key is so absolutely certain he is right on this one, that the hole he is digging for himself is getting bigger and bigger. He’s not going to be able to climb out soon.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 am
Lucia, is it true you think that having sex with animals is the same as having sex with humans? Because that is quite gross.
http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2009/06/polish-satire-on-gay-marriage.html
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 am
with obvious leftist views.
Question:
What exactly could this guy sell to an employer so that he could command any sort of wage? He’s angry, drugged, otherwise focused on his family. So which employer is to carry him? Is there a list we can refer to? Is he not better off where he is, costing less, doing no damage to clients or profits, until such time as he learns something new that changes his perspective? He doesn’t sound to me to be ready for employment.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Ban the marriage of religious homophobes!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
You have to pretty it up a bit – how about as “part of good caregiving”?
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Bananapants,
Brilliant.
Ask a loaded question and give me heaps of incoming hits.
And the answer is how would I know?
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Well, you compare the two as if they are the same. Apples and apples, and all that. I just hope that, if you are the sort of person who has sex with humans, that you don’t do that with animals too. Because that’s illegal, like smacking.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
see 10.46 am ..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Bananapants,
No, I don’t.
The post is about marriage, a cartoon written by a Polish satirist and the outrage by pro-gay marriage groups over the inference that after gay marriage comes marriage to animals. There’s also a bit in there about pedophile groups wanting to legalise a whole lot of stuff with children.
The comparison of the experience of sex is not mentioned anywhere in the post.
Neither is what I think mentioned in the post, as I copied and pasted the part of the article that explained the cartoon.
If you want to know what I think, well, I think eventually sex with animals will eventually be legalised because in a hedonistic society is not about what is good for the person, it’s about what makes that person feel good.
I also find it interesting that Peter Singer, a person who advocates for bestiality, is a regular contributor to the Dominion Post.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Did the same thing myself, raising my younger child as a single parent while working full time (plus).
Strangely neither of my children now sit in front of a TV set all day while others work for their benefit.
I wonder if there is a connection there?
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
bananapants, you’ve managed to transform from someone I gave kudos to for being actively involved in the community to someone who is displaying the characteristics of a troll. Did you get bored with talkback radio per chance?
It amuses me no end how many trolls come here and abuse ‘kiwibloggers’ when they are in fact avid kiwibloggers themselves. Clearly you don’t get satisfaction from other blogs (which doesn’t surprise me, few of them actually allow such diversity of opinions without having the onanists jump on them in hordes) but if I might suggest something, go and give philu some traffic, if he got some he might actually be able to sell some advertising on his site and then he could get off the benefit. Do some (more) social good and get more kudos, your halo has slipped and quite frankly it looks like it’s got poo on it.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
1. Who decides what’s good for a person?
2. Who gives a damn whether it makes them feel good? It’s their right to do whatever they please provided they don’t infringe the rights of others. Cruelty to animals arguments are clearly relevant to this, but moral judgements on whether or not someone should be “permitted” to have sex with animals (or members of their own sex) are not.
Now, FYI I’m straight as an arrow, and I don’t like homosexuality at all. I don’t like its pervasive culture of over-sexualisation of everything, the mannerisms of many gays, the rearing of children by gay couples (though I am open to persuasion in the face of scientific evidence). I just dislike it when anyone thinks that they have the right to tell me what to do.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
To the people (peterwn) whom I was discussing about the banks and tax avoidance, what is legal and what is illegal.
Peterwn said::
Selecting investments, etc for tax minimisation is OK – one is not entering into ’schemes’ to avoid tax
The media are reporting that one way to give away lotto money, is to ‘loan’ your money to someone at 0% interest, then forgive the debt 27k per year, then fully on death.
This appears to be a sham ‘scheme’ designed solely to completely avoid gift tax. And, if it is so easy to get around the ird rules, why do they even have a gift duty rule?
So, why is this ‘scheme’ legal when it is obviously dodgy?
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
RightNow, don’t feel too bad. I have the flu today and have a tendency to look troll-like under those circumstances.
But I don’t think it’s wrong to ask questions. Which no one actually answers. Hence the re-asking. Persistence isn’t a virtue, I realise, more an annoyance. I’ll go blow my nose now and see if things improve.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
“I have the flu today and have a tendency to look troll-like under those circumstances”
You sound like a perfectly healthy Green party MP
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
So another question for you all:
Why do religious types like lucina always insist on using bestiality and pedophilia to compare with homosexuality, when “just like hetrosexuality but with someone of the same sex”, would be a much better description?
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:24 pm
racer1 – exactly my point. It was good of you put it in slightly less ludicrous terms.
big bruv – don’t worry, I’m not. Those healthy Green MPs are a bit of a worry, because they might live forever. Darn fruit-eating, non-smoking mimsy do-gooders.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Why do religious types like lucina….
Because some people believe homosexuality is not an innate and immutable human characteristic, but merely a form of behavior. And thus they relate these behaviors as occupying different points on a sliding scale of human sexual libertinism and fluidity, only inhibited by societal mores.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Angus, do you know about adopted twin studies? It’s when twins who have been adopted out to separate families at birth are examined for concordance of particular traits.
The biological basis of homosexuality is most strongly supported by the concordance between twins raised in different environments.
A book chapter like this might be a good place for a novice to start, if you’d like to know more about genetics. http://www.springerlink.com/content/p5j435705p54299h/
There’s also lots of scientific journals online which might be able to provide you with some good information in this area.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Angus (59) Vote: 0 1 Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Why do religious types like lucina….
Because they believe their god hates homosexuality, conveniently ignoring that it is their god’s faulty design that generates homosexuality.
Because their god tells them what to do and they then think that gives them the right to tell the rest of us what to do.
And beacsue the “home school” they ensure their kids grow up with the identical hang ups and fuck ups thay have.
Why homosexuality?
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1905237,00.html
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
YES!!!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2526915/MP-Nick-Smith-accused-of-assault
We have got rid of Worth, it looks like Nick the pinko Smith is next, only English and Key left now.
Things are beginning to look up for those of us on the right of centre, hell, we might even have a party to support if this keeps up.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
nah, he’ll get off, its the stress of having to deal with electors.
All Smith needs is a cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down.
(and a decent haircut)
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
HOO RAH!
John Key desreves big thumbs ups!
I have been critical of his alck of action in averting a rise in unemployed, but he has laid my fears to reast. He is the man. He has a plan.
“Mr Key cited the purchase of Queen’s Wharf and tourism marketing as examples.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2524641/Economy-not-doing-as-bad-as-some-feared
Well, that’s alright then.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Christine Rankin is spitting in John Key’s eye.
David Garrett is pooing in his nest.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
MyNameIsJack (723) Vote: 0 2 Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
“nah, he’ll get off, its the stress of having to deal with electors.
All Smith needs is a cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down.”
Um, any ‘Bex’ in particular, I’ve met at least one that would do him the world of good. Perhaps he could also offer her a Becks, there’s a nice beer.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Not sure about correcting their behaviour, depending on the level of disability they may not even have the associative reasoning to grasp that the smack is a response to their misbehaviour. However at the moment there is a related but far more clear cut issue that requires highlighting: caregivers to the autistic or similarly are often too scared to restrain their wards (lest they get an assault charge) that they allow them to do serious harm to themselves.
I recently became aware of one particular case that highlights this: an autistic child in the care of a school for disabled children would often headbutt her face against the floor or nearby objects and gauge her eyes with her hands. The staff, fearing the said assault charge and/or sacking did nothing. The child is now permanently blind in one eye.
Obviously the child should have been restrained to prevent self injury. Indeed a straight jacket would have been a suitable response. Instead we get teachers too political corrected to intervene, with the result that the mentally disabled child is now also physically disabled.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
ovation evidently you’re new here. jack is an adovcate of the forced deportation of Jews from Israel “back to Europe where they belong”.
He claims to be anti-Israeli but only mentions Jews in his frequent anti-Semetic outbursts, not Israelis, not Muslims Israelis, not Christian Israelis. Just the Jews. I find nothing less tolerable than outright nazism marqurading as something else.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
@wreck1080 “The media are reporting that one way to give away lotto money, is to ‘loan’ your money to someone at 0% interest, then forgive the debt 27k per year, then fully on death.
This appears to be a sham ’scheme’ designed solely to completely avoid gift tax. And, if it is so easy to get around the ird rules, why do they even have a gift duty rule?
So, why is this ’scheme’ legal when it is obviously dodgy?”
Well just because it’s in the media doesn’t mean it isnt dodgy, I certainly wouldn’t take tax advice from a journo! But in this particular case there is a clear tax distinction between a loan and a gift (and in particular specific provision for foregiveness of debt through operation of a will). The potential risk run is that the “interest free” value of the loan can be a gift (but there are ways around this as well which the courts have sanctioned).
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
And what’s wrong with that, Muzza?
The jews who came out from Europe caused all the strife with their neighbours, so send ém back to whence they came.
I don’t mention other jews, as jews in other countries seem to behave themselves, it is only when they get to Israel that they become a problem. Send the European jews back to europe and let the Palestinians have their land abck, let the middle east have some peace.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
The way Neville Key is handling the whole Christine Rankin thing typifies his soft cock and left leaning style of leadership.
Rankin should be free to disagree with the families commission, she should be free to say what ever she likes however Neville Key is scared that Rankin will annoy his good friend the Greens.
Toward the end of the Klark years she became arrogant, she believed that she knew what was good for us and that the public should just shut up and follow her, it took her the better part of seven years to become that arrogant, John fucking Key has managed the same level of arrogance in eight months.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
KiwiGreg
I dunno about you mate but if I won 30 million I would go out of my way to ensure that bugger all of that money found its way into the hands of scum like Phool and all the other bludgers out there.
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Rankin should be free to disagree with the families commission…
She can be, the minute she resigns from it.
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
yeah, life was sweet when i lived over the other side of town. then i brought a home over here and as soon as i moved in the neighbours started throwing grenades over the fence. day and night. and night and day.
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Jackboot, while you may have freedom of speech, you are a frikking dick.
“Evidence of Jewish presence in Israel dates back 3,400 years, to the formation of the religion. The name “Jews” derives from their origin in Judah. Over the course of this long history, the Jews have several times been dispersed and then returned from exile.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Introduction:_Jewish_history_in_Israel
They came from Israel, that is Israel in the middle east.
Just to reiterate, you are a frikking dick, and culturally insensitive at that.
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Fuck off Jack, why should she resign?
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
resign? that’s not a very good suggestion from a good communist supporter such as youself mnij. your ideology has more efficient means ensuring uniformity of thought
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
There is no uniformity of thought in communism, that’s the preserve of the GWWRWC.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Trevor Mallard blowing up in the house. Priceless.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Mallard gooooooooooooooone!!!
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/06/red-card-for-trev.html
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
ginger
Details please..
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I see that Crusher has given the go ahead to use shipping containers as prison cells.
Bloody fantastic!, make that woman PM immediately.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Trevor was saying something to Key. Something about Key being a liar. Then he was asked by the Speaker to withdraw the comment. From there he simply blew up and said he didn’t call Key a liar. That may have some truth to it but I wasn’t in the TV room when that happened. Then he had a go at the Speaker on his way out. I’m not very good at explaining it but hopefully it gets on Youtube or something.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Anyone listened to Afternoons with Jim Mora on Radio NZ National this afternoon. Martyn “Bomber” Bradbury was one of the panal guest after 4 pm. They were talking about freedom of speech. Mr Bradbury was very quiet on the subject.
LOL!
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Where is Trev?
I have just heard his disgusting display in the house, the man clearly has anger issues and IMHO is in need of medical assistance.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
gingercrunch/big bruv – it should be on YouTube this very evening – it’s being sourced as we communicate
Meantime, Mallard is making things much worse for himself by defending himself on Red Alert. I have just pasted his post onto Keeping Stock in anticpation of someone in Labour telling Mallard to pull his head in, and pulling the thread. He has, among other things, publicly accused Mr Speaker of bias, saying:
“Speaker Smith required me to withdraw and apologise for saying something I did not say. To do so would have been to admit saying it. Smith did not allow me to say that I had not made the comments and tossed me out in probably the most blatantly biased decision of the year.”
I would suggest that Trev is digging a rather large hole for himself.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
The guy has too be the single thickest fool on earth. His mouth keeps writing checks….
Oh Glory days….
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Y’know what?
I wish there were a few Trev’s on National’s side of the house.
At least he has a damn go, for the ideals he believes in.
And at least he believes in something.
Good on you Mr. Mallard.
Stick it up those gutless National wimps and their smirking stand for nothing leader.
After Key’s words on the smacking referendum, I’m done with the lot of them.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Mallards squealing like a bitch about it
http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/06/23/keys-growing-nose/
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Make crusher PM right now but think we have a new dog running the country Key new dog YER right yap yap but wearing the same old soggy tail worn by helen davis , sigh SAME OLD SAME OLD nothing changes except the shit mongrel attached to the same old tail we are been pissed and crapped on by a new version of the same old mangey mongrel who screwed us for nine years SIGH
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I cannot vote national again if they carry on they way they are. And, I know lots who feel the same way.
There is a political vacuum developing, for a party that sits between far right act and dead-center national. I’d suggest, such a party could grab a lot of votes.
John Key has lost much respect. For someone who has probably had very little to do with bringing up children, he has the nerve to tell me how to bring up mine. Reminds me of someone else.
Also, National have done very little to fix the economic crisis. This jobs summit was a joke. So far, all they’ve done is try to prop up construction and building. It’s a tough problem, but, they have access to the best minds right?
Admittedly, labour have pretty much totalled the economy for national and I don’t see that we will be back to where we were for at least 10 years.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
This would be the party that has oodles of policy that has been successfully implemented in countries that we regard to our left? wreck, you’ve swallowed a bit much of the Act=Extreme kool-aid served up by our socialist MSM over the last decade.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 pm
A thought for our all blacks a real thought (NO SING NATIONAL ANTHEM with gusto) no do funny maori jump up and down haka which is a farce. The FRENCH ,IRISH POMS AUSSIES SING AND WIN , we stick tongues out and lose ps i will die before we win the rugby world cup , the pacific island players(MOST OF OUR TEAM NOW) do a reasonable maori haka but they are not winners, when the going gets tuff we STUFF UP no thinking players left PS the ITALIANS might scare us,or win
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 pm
N1H1 Swine Flu.
Just a thought. The latest number I have seen is 364?
Does anyone come off the bottom of the list after you have had it?
Or are you infected for life?
Scaremongering keeps the MSM going.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 pm
joeAverage,
The Haka is far more important than the National Anthem.
To sing the National Anthem, you have to learn English.
To do the Haka, you may learn some Maori.
Which is more important?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:43 pm
As a palate cleanser from the usual left-wing butthurt:
The US State Department has refused to rescind invitations for Iranian government officials to attend American independence day celebrations taking place at the Swiss (I believe) embassy on July 4th. What a wonderful opportunity for the representatives of the monsters behind atrocities such as these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npdISZUtdmU) to kick off their bloodened shoes and relax. Maybe they’ll share a hot dog while the good people of Hawaii get their own firework display courtesy of the North Koreans. Six months into the Obama regime and the adventures just keep rolling on!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
..anyone looked closley at mallard lately..he looks like shit..” under a bit of strain Trev ” ? ..wanker…
..I went to school with John Key..he’s a top bloke..keep up the good work JK..but change ya stance on the smacking bill will ya…
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
I just posted this on Frog blog:
On a more serious note, I have just discovered what the greens are trying to implement in our schools.
It is very disturbing, only watch this if you can handle being upset, it affects the very moral fabric of our society.
Brace yourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSVLfUazxE
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Mallard is the first living brain donor!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
No way Whafe – to be a donor, you have to have something to donate!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Yes very true….. Well it is hard to even begin to explain my thoughts of this POS…
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Mallard’s an aged example of what happens if you dont give a corrective smack as part of good parenting
(I couldn’t say ‘mature example’ after that little temper tantrum)
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Getting back to merchant bankers (aren’t we lucky to have them)?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
That certainly was upsetting. The audience… they all related you think?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Speaking of moral fabric, how about this? Apparently, it’s weally weally wong to say “That’s so gay,” now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS0GVOQPs0
Social engineering, anyone?
When was the last time you heard anyone in the media advocating heterosexuality as a preferred lifestyle? What’s that? Never? Apparently, we don’t get a say.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Reid,
I managed to get across the problem to a Christian friend of mine – who oftened use the word “gay” as a generic term for things that are a bit shit – by referring to anything that was a bit shit as “Christian”.
Like, “Oh, you’re reading Twilight? That’s so Christian.”
And, “You got a flat tyre? Oh, Christian.”
He caught on remarkably quickly.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 pm
“When was the last time you heard anyone in the media advocating heterosexuality as a preferred lifestyle”
You don’t read much media or watch much TV do you?
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
You broke your arm? How very Islamic.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
I’ll keep saying “that’s so gay” because the poofters don’t own the language.
And I want to KILL this poofter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdgpgRgwM8c&NR=1
He wants to kill a five year old? That’s so gay.
“Gay is not an adjective” Fucking turn burglar doesn’t even understand English. Gay IS an adjective. It is not a noun.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Yep, used that one with a Muslim friend who did the same thing.
To my Christian friend’s credit, he started calling things “Christian” too, to remind himself of what he was unconsciously doing when he called things “gay”.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:15 pm
“And I want to KILL this poofter.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdgpgRgwM8c&NR=1
While your reaction may be juuuuuuust a smiggy over the top, THAT GUY IS SERIOUSLY WEIRD
June 24th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Twevor doesn’t know what a biased speaker is. We’ve probably got the most opposition friendly speaker ever, and Twevor still manages to get on his bad side. What a ‘tard.
This is going to be a really bad look for labour. Everyone knows how Lockwood Smith has redeemed question time, which used to be a bad joke. Trevor screaming at him just looks like a spoilt kid throwing a tantrum.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:47 am
Trevor Mallard’s angers growing, his anger is growing, his anger is growing.
How long ago was it when he was last ejected from the House?
Bully Boy Twevor, Bully Boy Twevor, liar, liar, your pants are on fire!
How old are you dear boy?
June 24th, 2009 at 6:53 am
True shunda, but it was the homosexual who first used the kill word.