Hone apologises by saying Goff should be shot!
Blunt has a topical cartoon.
The Herald reports:
“Hone doesn’t hate Pakeha, Hone is part-Pakeha,” Mr Harawira said.
He said he apologised for the use of words that he used in the email when he asked Buddy Mikaere if he was buying into “that white man bulls****” and added that “white motherf***ers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries”.
But Mr Harawira said he was talking about “European settlers” who have been responsible for 63 million acres of Maori land being lost in the past 150 years. …
Mr Harawira expressed anger at Labour leader Phil Goff, who has said Mr Harawira should be suspended for his use of language.
“The cheek of the bastard,” Mr Harawira said.
He said Mr Goff and his party had passed the Foreshore and Seabed Act.
“If I should be suspended for my language, he and his mates should be lined up against the wall and shot,” Mr Harawira said.
I think Hone doesn’t realise the impact his statements can have on people. An MP using violent language, even metaphorically, can be alarming. Especially combined with his earlier e-mails.
Mr Harawira said his wife questioned him about his choice of language.
“The mofo word is demeaning to women and I apologise unconditionally for that word,” Mr Harawira said.
His statement is here. An extract:
I note also that my comments have been misunderstood as an attack against all Pakeha and that’s caused a lot of damage to my own credibility throughout the Te Tai Tokerau and throughout Aotearoa as well.
I need to say a few words just on that score. Over the past 25 years in particular I’ve put a lot of effort into what I call phase two of Maori activism. Phase one is protest action and I return often to that philosophy, it helped guide my thinking.
Phase two is building alternatives and since returning to Kaitaia I’ve put a lot of energy into helping Maori believe that we can do anything. (He listed local organisations and trusts)
Much of that work has meant building close working relationships with many Pakeha businesses in the Far North and throughout Te Tai Tokerau and many Pakeha people that I have worked alongside on a wide range of issues in the public arena right throughout the country.
I know that those relationships have been strained by my comments, I know that I have work to do to repair those relationships, and I intend to do so.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Email as I have found is an imprecise medium as it has none of the non verbal queues you rely on for emphasis.
why don’t I believe him?
That said Hone wrote as I would suggest he thinks.
he spoke his mind.
All the phase two work should be born with that in mind.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Hone is a lazy racist .
Lazy because he wants lots of cash from the government for doing nothing.
Racist, because he hates white people.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Although I am all for lining Goff and co up against a wall…… I think Hone should be the one for the silver bullet.
His apology was a Clayton’s apology, it was a waste of space. He is a nasty piece of work and should be gone.
We need a serious clean out of some of the scum in Wellington, at least Sue packed her bags and left. Hone should do the same.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I like what Hone says about Goff and his cohorts. In fact I might even being to agree with him.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
(heh..!..)
an anonymous commenter at no minister..
is claiming this is a photo of hone harawira..
..pre-birth..
November 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Well that would be a Maori appology for you.
November 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
So what’s phase 3?
November 10th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Hone on Radiolive this afternoon said…
In addition to achieving Maori Sovereignty his aim was
to “challenge Maoris to be better than other people think they can be”
Noble sentiments indeed but actions speak so much louder than words.
I am sure all those young Maori males who skip school everyday now need look
no further than one of their own as an excuse to:
1) Bunk school
2) And give the finger to authority (including foul mouthed racial abuse) when questioned about their absenteeism
How does that help encourage young Maori to achieve?
November 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
“challenge Maoris to be better than other people think they can be”
I aint working Hone.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Hone stayin’ classy
Just like his Mum.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Careful, she might see this.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
1 / 10…not good enough hawawira…youre a racist mo/fo…
November 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Whats she going to do Llew, get MORE radical?
November 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Heh. I wouldn’t put anything past her.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Phil GOFF should not be shot. He is doing a fine job.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Llew, of course it’s just my personal opinion, but neither seems to be a fan of “How To Win Friends And Influence People” by Dale “White MoFo” Carnegie
November 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I wonder who from the Labour caucus put the “Phil Goff should be shot” thought into Hone’s mind. Cunners? Shane Jones? Maryan Street? Trev?
Hmmmm – the possibilities are limitless!
November 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Not the sort of role model I would want for my kids. Has he forgotten what happened at Napier this year and Fort Hood a few days ago. We have enough crazies like Graham Burton- we don’t need our pollies encouraging more.
How would he feel if someone actually does try to assassinate the Opposition Leader.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
IV2, the answer to your question would be “who benefits most”?
November 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I hate to be the one to invoke Godwins law
But mouthing off at race enemies, shooting your socialist and communist opponents, and taking a quick trip to Paris by way of Belgium all sounds rather familiar to me
November 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Even Good Golly Goff has called a spade a spade and said Hone should be “sacked for his ongoing behaviour over his trip to Paris and “racist” language.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3046737/Phil-Goff-Hone-Harawira-should-be-sacked
Why then did our own PM say that Harawira’s comments were only “tinged with racism”
DEFINITION:
adj If something is tinged with a particular feeling or quality, it has or shows a small amount of that feeling or quality.
THE EMAIL
Mr Harawira wrote back starting his email; “Gee Buddy, do you believe that white man bullsh** too do you?
“White motherf***ers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bullsh*t,” Harawira wrote.
November 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Hey Hone – all of a sudden you are playing along with white puritanical bullshit by giving an apology? you dumb brown mofo haven’t even got the brains to work that out!
“Harawira said he was talking about “European settlers” who have been responsible for 63 million acres of Maori land being lost in the past 150 years” – really?
- 150 years of European settlers?……… you mean us?
November 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Harawira, and others like him, have been spoon-fed on envy, resentment and anger from birth, so it’s no wonder he exudes bitterness and hatred every time he open his mouth.
It’s his attitudes that are responsible for holding Maori back.
He is not a Moses. He is a jailor.
November 10th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
mofo is demeaning to Women?
What about the fo foing the mo? Isn’t s/he at all demeaned by this? And what if the mo consents? What if the mo coerces the fo?
(I’m just trying to highlight the absurdity of Hone’s qualification)
November 10th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Is it just me…. or does anyone else think this is getting awfully childish?
NZ Parliament, Spring 2009; Two options; pick the one which suits…
Option A – consider legislation giving freedom and property rights to the NZ public
Option B – have a big wankfest and season of apologies and babyish name calling
Hmmmmmm…decisions…decisions…
http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com
November 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Yes Elijah it is getting childish. It is also getting boring. The more that Hone and his ilk go on about “150 years, 63 million acres stolen, white settlers, special seats, etc etc”, the more irelevant it all becomes to the rest of us. Take the haka for example. It used to be performed only on special occasions. Now it is performed at the opening of a supermarket. I went to a fishing contest last year and there was a maori blessing. Cmon guys!! It is all getting a bit ho hum. The racial stereotype that is maori is so fixed now in the NZ psyche that it’s not special or different anymore. I got news for you Hone, as a race you need to adapt or you’ll be left behind even more than you are in 2009.
November 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Hone just needs to grow up a little. Playing the victim all the time is not a pleasant attribute for anyone.
I do agree that colonialism was never perfect,and many people were wronged, but everytime I hear about the evils of the white man I’m reminded of “Life of Brian” and the what have the Romans ever done for us scene.
November 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Getting?
It started an infantile and took a nose dive.
November 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Perhaps the heading to this thread should have read “Hoon apologises” rather than “Hone apologises”.
November 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Can anybody explain to me why we have the self-appointed brown stirrers like Ranginui Walker and Margaret Mutu claiming the right to speak on behalf of the white motherf*****s of NZ – that no disrespect was intended and that no offence should be taken by Hone’s racist taunts?
The hypocrisy of these Maoris who will dance on the head of a pin to excuse what ANY person can see is pure, unadulterated, white-hating racism is pathetic.
It is now clear for all to see, that the NZ Maori Party is a cosy little safe-haven for Maori racists – their contortions and back-flips to excuse Hone’s racism is proof of that. Hone was caught telling the truth – well at least spewing his bitter and twisted racist world view, why can’t those speaking “on behalf of Maoridom” just accept that, and move on? This “history” is a little too fresh to be rewritten just yet.
November 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
All this episode does for me is illustrate the double standard that exists.
I wrote, over at The Standard, that I couldn’t imagine the same relatively mild response from The Standard, Kiwiblog* and the mainstream media if, say, Rodney Hide, had replied to a constituents concern about his behaviour by insinuating that “black motherf**kers” had caused a lot of problems to pakeha.
Would Eddie be asking for Rodney to simply “take a deep breath”?
Hell, I’d get banned from The Standard for writing a tirade that “black motherf**kers” or “yellow mothf**kers” were responsible for our problems – And rightly so.
*I have since read Farrars first post on the matter – which sums it up nicely. Janet the receptionist, Tim the schoolteacher or Sally the University lecturer would probably be facing immediate dismissal for bringing their organisation into disrepute if they had written a similar email.
I can imagine that there would be a Hikoi on their way to parliament calling for Rodney Hide to be sacked, if he wrote the same email with the word “black” transposed for “white”.
November 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Hone gets it wrong again. It’s Helen Clark/Michael Cullen who should be lined up against a wall etc…
November 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Hone seemed to be apologising for the language he used but not the points he made so I have rewritten his original statement for him:
“All humans with white skin have been excessively and exclusively extracting natural resources and causing environmental damage in the process. All humans with white skin continue to commit criminal acts of deception, fraud and theft against other humans who identify themselves with the Maori ethnic group (who may or may not have brown skin depending on parentage) and all humans with white skin regularly have sexual intercourse with their mothers.”
It sounds so much more reasonable and not racist at all with the bad language removed doesn’t it?
November 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
At least Rodders did the right thing by repaying the dosh. Hone got caught out and changed the whole focus to the racist focus. Hes just a dishonest brown mother f**ker…I apologise for my use of naughty words here..that makes it all right doesnt it????
November 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Why then did our own PM say that Harawira’s comments were only “tinged with racism”
Wrong word, “tainted with racism” is a better description
November 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Hone is Maori.
Hone is special. You only pick on him because he is Maori.
November 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
good one Steve..
November 10th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
supporters of MMP say it brings in a new type/variety of NZ’s .. a better cross section. (Hone would be in anyway as a Maori constituent MP) but look what has been happening over the past few years:
waka jumpers, MP’s in dirty dog sunnies, Trev’s personnel insult to Don Brash, Tau’s insult to Trev, Trevs asking Tau outside for a fight, Ron mark flipping the bird, Maharies (sorry re spelling) saying fuck you to someone in the house, M Wilson’s pathetic rulings and shrieking, Chris Carter blaming all criticism of his actions because he is gay, the Delhunty crazy woman full stop . etc etc etc .. plus troughing by many and now now the ultimate racist .. Hone.
It maybe too late BUT can we try to get some class decorum back into OUR Parliament?
November 10th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Goff 9
Key 1
Hone 0
November 10th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
..yep , gof read this one right..JK fucked it up…kudos to gof…
November 10th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
He’s got this all wrong. His comments were racist, and it was his choice of language that made them so, because the language was offensive and violent.
He describes his grievance against colonists in his apology letter and attempts to equivocate it with his “white motherfuckers” comment but he’s missed the point.
If I say something like, “Due to technological limitations and inter-tribal rivalries, at the time of colonisation Maori were especially vulnerable to the negative effects of colonisation” I’m not being racist. If I say “dumb black stoneage c%$ts were too busy clubbing eachothers brains out to adapt to or stop colonisation”, I’m being racist. It’s because his choice of words implied a violent intent, lack of respect and contempt pakeha that Hone’s been pulled up for this
November 10th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
This prick deserves a prison cell, scum of the earth racist.
Simple fact John Boy Wee.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Again, are we surprised, sadly we are not………. This country becomes more of a joke by the day.
What can be done to sort this crap out?
Been back in NZ for a year now, sheesh I miss Barcelona… And before you say, “well F off back there if you dont like it” I say screw you, I want to make NZ my home again, but this childish racist BS is shocking…..
November 10th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Yet to hear DPF’s take on this whole saga. All I’ve seen are one line comments following cut and pastes.
Time to cut the holiday short and blog I feel
November 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“Yet to hear DPF’s take on this whole saga. All I’ve seen are one line comments following cut and pastes.
Time to cut the holiday short and blog I feel”
DPF covered it already. The guy seems to manage to do more work while enjoying a holiday than most NZers manage to do during a working week.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/hone_goes_off_the_deep_end.html
November 10th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
The maori party know that Key will give them back the Foreshore and Seabed (with limitations) so they will be reluctant to back Hone otherwise they lose Key’s support.
Remember what caused the maori party formation. Yes the Foreshore and Seabed issue. And I agree maori were robbed.
If they cross Key then they will have to go back to Liarbour to get the same deal. They are not stupid and know Liarbour are gone for at least the next 5 years.
Hone will last as long as the maori party need him and he will be dumped once he has no further use. The Foreshore deal will help the northern tribes so why would they continue to support Hone as a independent once the MP have given them what they want.
Recent polls show the MP will pick up the other maori seats so Hone’s patch will lose importance.
Interesting issue to think about and I see a few twists and turns before all is sorted.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Good news everybody. I’ve found the 63 million acres that Hone claimed Maori have lost. Seems it was all a mix up and it hadn’t gone anywhere after all…. It’s still in New Zealand.
Of course if by ‘lost’ he means sold by Maori, Confiscated when certain (and only a limited number, by no means most) tribes when they murdered and killed many innocent settlers, or appropriated by various provincial and local bodies when they were not in economic use, then he should have said that.
What a lot of people in this country with a limited knowledge of our history do not realise is that most, and infact the vast majority, of Maori land was sold willfully. Ngati rangi (the tribe from the Tauranga area) were warned that if they went to war with the government they would face confiscation of their lands. They did this with full knowledge and challanged the Government forces anyway. Interesting reading Michael Basset’s discenting Waitangi tribunal report about it. After reading his report and the main report I have come to the conclusion that the Tribuanl is actually Biased and not neutral at all. (Another case point is that it allowed the Wellington Te Ati Awa claim to include land on the seaward side of Lambton Quay – Which was under water in 1840).
Actually listening to Pita Sharples was painful this morning on National radio. He obviously thinks only white settlers and soldiers caused attrocities. (Insert Tui ad here).
November 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Blue Coast, How can anybody be robbed of ownership of the seabed or foreshore if they do not occupy or control it? All they have would be customary usage rights. in 1990 the old law formalised ownership in any foreshore or seabed not already allocated title to the crown. What Labour did was put in a shitty clause about treaty principles which a mental judge interpreted to mean could override the plain and simple meaning of the rest of the Act.
Oh and he has come out in support of other special rights for maori since resiging as a Maori landcourt judge.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
oh look..!..brian marshall has done a revisionist take of the subjugation/attempted genocide of maori/our colonial history/the taking of maori land..
and..guess what..?
it was all their own fault..
whoar..!..who knew..?
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
and gee blue coast..
you really are full of shit aren’t you..?
harawira is the heir-apparant of sharples..
and has almost deity status amongst northern maori..
they will not ‘dump him’..
the maori party are terrified harawira would stand as an independant..
‘cos they know he would win..
get fucken real..!..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Democracymum, you have a good point. Why is John Key so “nice” through out all this? What is he going to give to Maori from taxpayers to get something from Maori? Key is not a leader. Even Goff said it the way a true leader would say it and I don’t like Goff.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Racist, bloody liar and a racist I say.
A true indication of how he and many Maori feel, I think thats true, doesnt make it right.
As for saying “thats Hone” so atleast hes consistant, what pathetic bullshit.
A childmolester does it for years,so because its consistant its not so bad, what cowards some commentators are.
A thief and a liar go hand in hand.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I’ve got mixed feelings about Hone. In many ways he comes across as an intelligent person who knows what he’s doing and knows how to be heard and get a reaction. And sometimes he comes across as a bit of an arsehole. So I have a bit of respect for what he’s about, I feel like I could have a reasonable conversation with him, but could as easily get into an argument.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
jackp
I agree with your comments around Goff, tonight he outflanked Key completely.
His comments about Hone were passionate, reasonedl and credible
and strangely appealing…
Perhaps that box finally arrived in the post with that set of b*lls Helen had been borrowing.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Hone is a disgusting piece of….
Just close your eyes and imagine him in a military General’s uniform and running the country.
Thank God for the large non-Maori majority.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
From the NZ Herald
“While making a partial apology, Mr Harawira also said Labour leader Phil Goff was a “bastard” who should be “lined up against a wall and shot” for Labour’s passage of the Foreshore and Seabed Act.
Mr Goff laughed off the comments and said Mr Harawira had failed to address any of the issues.
“It is a silly comment. I can’t take that sort of thing seriously, but what the public of New Zealand are looking for was an apology, an apology for ripping off the taxpayer, an apology for abusing people in racist and obscene language,” Mr Goff said.
“There is no contrition there, he is proud of ripping the taxpayer off and he genuinely believes that white people are to blame for all of his problems.”
There was a need for leadership from the Maori Party and Prime Minister John Key to take action as know no apology would do.
“If he apologises now that will be phoney because he actually believes that every problem he has is down somehow to Pakeha people in this country. That is simply a nonsense.”
Mr Goff said he did not think his father would appreciate him being called a bastard, but the shooting comment was stupid.
“I have been abused by better people than Hone.”
Mr Harawira told Radio Waatea that Mr Goff was out of line for saying he should be suspended from politics.
“The cheek of the bastard. If I should be suspended for swearing, him and his mates should be,” he said.
“I’m saying to Phil Goff `beware mate, beware before you start throwing stones’
That last line looks distinctly like a threat – so in addition to racially abusive comments we now have an MP who has ripped off the taxpayer, bragging about it and threatening the leader of the opposition.
November 10th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Remember when Melissa Lee got into trouble for saying this?
“Greens co-leader Russel Norman says Ms Lee told the meeting that the road would be good, because it would stop criminals from South Auckland coming into the suburb to commit crimes. He says the comment was astounding.
“I guess it also shows why she’s the kind of person that can support ramming a motorway through the poorest areas in Mt Albert because she clearly has prejudices against people and I think it was extremely sad.”
Mr Norman says Ms Lee’s remark was unacceptable in 21st century New Zealand and sparked jeering and booing from the audience.”
And yet where are Dr Russel Norman’s comments surrounding Hone’s racial outbursts?
November 10th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Democracymum, looks like John Key and the Maori Party are being very quiet. John Key is just sweeping it under the carpet and calling this a sideshow when he himself is avoiding the issue. Why? Does he really lack the balls that Uncle Helen had or is he giving the farm to Maori because he wants this ETS bill to go through. Either way, it looks like we the taxpayer is the looser.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
When is the next census? I fully intend to describe myself as “A Christian-land-raping-white-mother-fucking-male”
the more we can take the piss out of it the more ridiculous hone/jonny looks.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
At least Hones an honest racist, he is happy to tell us to our faces that he hates us honkies unlike his buddies Sharples and Turia who also hate us but haven’t got the guts to say it straight up. Not that it worries me much, the feeling is mutual as far as I am concerned. The only objection I have is that I have to pay tax to support shit like them.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Johnboy, Can I buy you a beer?.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Not if its fucken brown. I seem to have gone right off brown shit all of a sudden.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Hone has done a great service representing his core constituency of Maori separatists with Pakeha heritage who need sovereignty at NZ taxpayers expense, and first-class trips to Paris, and erstwhile Goff-shooters suffering from Tourettes and delusions of sanity.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
“I seem to have gone right off brown shit all of a sudden.”
roflmao!
November 10th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Give me a call Spartan on the 17th March.
November 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
10/4.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Hones firing squad:
Stand Goff against the wall Hone and you stand in front of him.
No don’t be silly bullets can’t hurt you.
Yeah thats right.–Pai Marire
But wait —theres more!
The double, double act. Yeh!
Helen, Michael, come over here and stand in front of Hone and Phil.
What? Oh alright Trev you too. Stand in front of Helen.
What? No piss off Cunners five is more than enough. Its not an elephant gun mate.
OK you and Clayton and Charles and Chris can have the next go.
Bang! Shit what a surprise! Your alive! Sorry Phil five was just one too many.
Still look on the bright side Trevs gone and if you stand behind the next four
you may still get to be PM next.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Philu I have ignored reading your disjointed posts before and tried not to give you negative karma because I fidn it hard to read your posts, but you are s^%t for brains for saying mine post is revisionist.
Why dont you do some independant research yourself. Maybe when you know the background to things like Parihaka, you might actually know why the government took such a heavy hand with the peaceful people there. Maybe something to do with many of the followers being much the same as the ones who attacked and killed settles in the Taranaki, practiced cannibalism on english soldiers and were responsible for massive deaths of civilians in New Plymouth due to the overcrowding when they were driven from their homesteads. Maybe you should also learn about Te Kooti, and see what a good sport he was to Maori and settlers alike. ‘Revisionists’ are the like of James Belich and jusith Binney who praise him as a warrior prophet rather than cold slaver and murder he was.
and guess what????????? Maori fought with government forces, especially with the armed constabulary. Te Arawa, Ngati Porou and Lower Wanganui tribes having a major part in the fighting with Te Kooti and the Hau Hau.
That is not to say that all government actions were without fault. In war there is no absolutes, but Maori commited atrocities on innocents far worse than just death. As for the genocide claims, you have have been caught up in liberal guilt crap.
Attack my comments if you must Philu, but do it with facts, not smoke and mirrors.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Phool. Listen to Brian. Hat tip—-’Major Ropata’
November 10th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
looks like hone’s plan
of stirring race hate’s working
well at kiwiblog
November 10th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Don’t give dumb old Hone the credit for a cunning plan HD.
Deep down most of us think just like him.
November 10th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608460
“Harawira willing to repay money over Paris trip”
TAKE IT!!
November 10th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Phil said. “”I have been abused by better people than Hone.”
Helen is better than Hone?? At what?? The mind boggles!
November 11th, 2009 at 6:59 am
A reminder of “Life of Brian” – what have the romans ever done for us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
November 11th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Hone comes from a view that every acre of land in New Zealand was stolen from Maori. Now that is just not true. Everyone who thinks it is should immediately hand over title of their house to the local iwi and keep paying the mortgage of course. Most Maori land was sold. There was a willing seller and a willing buyer. Maori weren’t cheated out of their land in most cases. They knew it’s value – unless somehow those human beings alive back then were somehow thickos, and I don’t think that was the case at all. Land confiscations were an historical fact and in most cases wrong. But shit happens. My mother’s family lost all it’s land in Italy when a great chunk was given to Yugoslavia. It was confiscated. It impoverished my family for decades. We got over it.
November 11th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Apropos Brian Marshall’s excellent summary of facts versus fiction.
As a current student at Waikato Uni (History Major), I have been subjected to a tirade about the Treaty and its absolute unfairness to Maori, best summed-up in the phrase ‘Maori Good, Whitey Bad’, the lecturers (both European and Maori), being in no doubt that all Maori ills are caused by this document, to the point that it was becoming offensive.
As the University of Waikato is of course the centre of Maori studies (and grievances – imagined or otherwise), this ongoing (over)-emphasis on the Treaty of Waitangi is only to be expected. We even had a ‘Treaty Week’ in case the pint was missed!!
There is however, a very subtle shift going on, and Hone is a manifestation of this, namely that where at one time the ‘conflict’ was between Maori and GOVERNMENT as perpetrators of supposed ‘crimes’ concerning land removal, it has now become one between Maori and ANYONE with European ancestry (yes, there is a contradiction, since all Maori now have a European component in their gene pool, but that is ignored – conveniently), and it is now becoming increasingly personal.
This is of course ‘revisionist’ history at its best (with Jamie Belich being seen as the hero of the Revisionists’) and it is this pro-Maori, ‘Whiteman-bad’ stance that is now being taught in schools – and has been for around a decade – Dear Leader’s legacy to our future.
As this new. Maori-sympathetic view, fits in exactly with, and emphasises Maori wrongs (along with the treaty commission), it is not surprising that Hone believes it – its what he has been taught. The fact that it might actually be wrong, is of course something he has not bothered to consider – after all, if Belich says it is correct therefore it must be.
Hone is not therefore alone – just the latest public manifestation of the process, and no doubt more such diatribes will emerge in due course.
Sad really – but at least the country now knows.
November 11th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Harawira has revealed his fundamentally racist views – and seems proud of them. Where are the Maori Party leaders on this? Have they dis-associated themselves from Hone’s comments and apologised on behalf of the Maori Party? Or do they tacitly agree with Hone’s racist views? Perhaps this also confirms that the race-based party, of which he is part, is an inappropriate support party for National? JK’s response seemed very weak. Why did he rule out Winston Peters but is happy to put up with Hone Harawira in his support crew? Goff has got this one spot. 5 points to Goff, own goal for JK and Maori Party.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Unfortunately, JK has learned the truth that it is much easier to criticize parties and MPs when you’re the opposition and have nothing to lose. When you’re in Govt and have to rely on the support of minor parties, or at least the goodwill of minor parties then it’s not so easy to take action against a rogue MP from one of those parties.
This is MMP showing it’s ugly head again; we have to dump this system, and soon!
In the meantime, I see someone has started a Facebook group called ‘Fire Hone Harawira for being a racist C**T!!(Race equality in NZ)’, that has over 350 members already.
I should feel sorry for the guy; he’s obviously been filled with hate by his mother and others. What about all the good things the white man has brought to this country, eh? To say nothing of the way Maori treated the “Patu-paiarehe” or Turehu who were here already when they arrived.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Well, here we are again. NZ with a fifteen year high in unemployment and no government action. Banks raking off an extra percent instead of passing on treasury cuts – and what is our leading political issue? A pair of miserable thieves – Hone Harawira and Rodney Hyde.
Useless, the pair of them. And whether or not Goff should be shot, Hone isn’t worth the price of the bullet, much less his airfare. If you wonder why NZ is going to hell in a handcart, you need look no further. If we want a decent government, and a decent future for New Zealand, we should throw them out. It’s Winston all over again; we need to make it clear to politicians that they’ve a job to do, and we expect them to do it conscientiously.
I think we need to cull a few too. 120 is far too many for such a small country, and the result is that parliament is full of the dregs and sweepings of public life. We haven’t seen an active, forward looking government in living memory, and the salaries and benefits are excessive for the current level of performance. Lazy, mouthy, a**holes don’t need travel allowances or 5 figure salaries, you get find a dozen on any street who’ll work for 2/3 of the average wage.
Performance pay is what we need in Parliament, and under such a regime 90% of the present incumbents wouldn’t make a cent.
November 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
the revisionist
view is as skewed as the old
moriori myth